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Hey esoterica (Dr Justin) I want to praise your humor, really underrated. I mean both in the corners of dailybreadtubers like let's talk religion and religion for breakfast there are great academic and fair-minded works, and in the darkfluencers can get really interesting topics and takes... But your dry dark and silly humor is something that goes without mention both in guests and comments.
It is irresistibly charming when an obviously intelligent and erudite person asks the proper pronunciation of a common word when she is speaking about recondite subjects in her third or fourth language.
Do you think I can believe her interpretation of the correct pronunciation of the word Jeu sounding as the word joy would in English? I'm soon to begin the for baptism rituals described in the text and I think the pronunciation would be important.
Ive had the pleasure of working with Dr Dzwiza through her kickstarter. She is genuinely passionate about this work, super willing to answer questions and share insights. I named one of the magic signs she had offered (an anti demon sign) and she took the time to compile some information for me on my sign, how it was used etc. Very thoughtful and just generally a pleasure to deal with.
My heart is filled with joy by her voice. So much enthusiasm, so much passion. I am thankful for this channel for introducing us more and more great scholars. I'm interested in this kind of thorough analysis.
The part around 39:00 that brings up the side-notes, marginalia, and contradictory instructions reminds me of something very familiar: modified food recipes! I have all sorts of notes written in cookbooks, often don't bother crossing out steps I already know to skip, and might leave in contradictory advice or failed substitutions for reference later on. Delightful to get the sense that these ritual references may have been modified in similar ways from practitioner to practitioner, or even within the lifetime of a single magic-user.
One thing I am impressed with is that so many of these scholars, in addition to mastering their field, also learn English. As someone who taught English to adults for 15 years, I find this amazing and worthy of note.
Interesting, there is a headless Goddess among the 10 Tantric Goddesses of Hindusim, she is named "Maa Chinnamasta" and her image is quite terrifying to the lay person. The Tantric system is based on the divine feminine and is the equivalent of the Gnostic teachings of the West. The Tantric system is where the Kundalini/Shekinah teachings with all it's spells/mantras of Mukta(Liberation) as wells as worldly desires fame, wealth, destruction of enemies known in the west as "Left Hand Path" practices. The Low Status of Women a theme in western traditional esoteric practices is a theme that bars entry to the Paternalistic religious & philosophy of both East & West academia. I am exploring the Kabbalistic connection between Western Magic & Vedanta philosophy. The 10 Goddesses of the Dasa-Mahavidya align with the 10 Sephiroth which align with the 10 Bode Orbital planets & the 10 Goddesses. Neptune (Kali), Uranus (Bagalamukhi), Saturn (Dhumavati), Jupiter (Kamalatmika), Ceres/Moon (Tara), Mars (Bhairavi), Earth (Maa Chinnamasta), Venus (Tripura Sundari), Mercury (Matangi) & Sun (Bhuvaneshvari). The 22 letters of the sacred Phoenician/Hebrew alphabet align with the 22 Shruti Notes of Classical Indian Music. The Pi ratio closest approximation using integers of 22/7 points to the alignment of a Theory Of Everything uniting all physics which I am pursuing. The Ten Goddesses are the combination of the 3 main Vendanta Goddesses, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati Archetypes combined as 3 doubles (6), 1 Triple(3) and 3 (3) single avatars to give a total of 12 archetypes of the Zodiac added to the 10 t give 22. Meditation on the symbolism of Maa Chinnamasta shows the unique path we experience on the Earth School.
Enthralled! And thrilled for this amazing conversation with Dr Kirsten Dzwiza of Antikemagie! From her kickstarter, youtube channel and fascinating content! I'm excited for this series on The Headless One, The Bornless Rite, from the The Greek Magical Papyri, context and history and formation and provenance.
*Wtf?* Magic from the ancient past was based in symbolism but it's not relevant enough to compile together? That's like saying language is irrelevant so we don't need dictionaries. Magic symbols are like a universal language for Magicians.
This was absolutely amazing!! Please have Dr. Dzwiza on again, listening to both of you speak is so enlightening and stimulating! It would be fantastic if yall did a follow up Q&A or just other collaborations in the future. Thank you so much for your time and enthusiasm, it warms my heart to hear both of your passion and care for these topics
Listening to y’all talk about “ring signs” and how pervasive those are is crazy for me as a practitioner, those signs look very similar to signs I use in my magick that I’ve collected from meditation. I had no idea anyone else used signs that look like that, them calling on a higher power and not a god/spirit tracks too. They usually represent concepts when I use them like justice, healing, revenge, karmic return. Broad concepts, like calling on an archetype almost. I’m EXCITED about that kickstarter.
It's weird, and a little gratifying when you think that you do something unique that no one else does, only to discover that it was "the way things were done" hundreds of years ago😂😂 Looks like your meditation is paying off!
The way I have my practice space set up is extremely unique. It came to me during a series of meditations. I thought I did things so differently... until I read some books from the 1700s and 1800s and learned that's just how people set up their space back then 😂😂😂
I love when you describe how us commoners love your Esoterica channel just the way commoners we’re using the Magicians she has been talking about. There seems to always have been a religion for elites and another for everybody else.
Maybe the 'heart girt/encircled with a serpent' wasn't intended as this great poetical notion, maybe it was just magical shorthand for the Heart-Shaped name referenced in PGM II 64-183, written inside an ouroboros serpent?
This is an amazing thought I totally missed! You mean "My name is a heart ..." is meant as an instruction concerning how to write the name: in the shape of a heart, which is attested multiple times in the Greek magical papyri, among increasing and decreasing winged shapes of writing names and vowels and other shapes, and encircled by, as Dr. Sledge suggested, an Ouroboros. This would make a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing your inspiring idea! I'd love to share this on Twitter and include it in my future work, how can I reference or refer to you?
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic You are very welcome (btw you can refer to me as Darren Grant, if you want). Glad you found it useful. Not that amazing, though, considering the use of phrases like 'You, I adjure, God's seal' or 'You I adjure God's signet,' I just read it as a shorthand reference to the complex shape of the name rather than this full-blown deep meaning that Crowley et al ascribe it with.
Great guest. The passion for your work comes through in the discussion! I wish I could see you both. I am grateful for the knowledge painstakingly acquired by both of your endeavors. I found it highly edifying to consider the reverence that some cultures can put on their written languages. O haven’t gotten through but half of the episode, but I’d like to hear the correlation between written language esoteric reverence and literacy rates sometime if it doesn’t end up being addressed in this interview. Thank you Dr. Sledge. May you never underestimate the knowledge and value you bring to the the great unwashed! HERO!
The first separate priestly writing system was Sumerian cuneiform. The gods retained their symbolatry even as the language became more phonetic and akkadian cunieform replaced sumerian in the Akkadian and subsequent periods.
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic glad you're interested, but not yet! I'm only just finishing my undergrad, so I'm just in the early stages of looking for publications
I was just waiting for you to eventually bring in Doc Kirsten and I'm glad you did! But man, between my own English as second language, the different accents and Greek and Egyptian terminology I really wish automated subtitles were advanced enough to actually help in this case 😅
Yes! The idea of crowdsourcing funding for the publication of highly specialized academic research (that's not held captive by special interest groups and is available/accessible to the public) gets me excited for the future and both my wallet and I are here for it! The institutional monopoly on truth (ie, academic racketeering) is an infuriating fire that burns deep within my soul. Is there a particular mailing list or group for those interested in directly supporting this type of research/publication?
I also think this is a great idea. And would love to help. I'd love to start learning backend programming and have a goal to start learning mid this year (2024). If there is any one that reaches out and has programming experience, I'd love to help out. I don't have knowledge but I do have some time and stable enough job that I could assist. Thanks again for the channel, I think your style is super approachable. And sorry for hijacking your comment @jicajacobsonkimbreaux, but I came looking for someone else who caught the DB idea as well.
By coincidence got done with work early today so I have three hours to sit and listen to this while I organize the 3,000+ character portraits I downloaded for Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. I'm a sad man. Anyway, I'm sure I'll have comments on the video by the end.
Finally finished (watching the video, not organizing my Pathfinder portraits). A lot to take in. This is the second interview I've heard with Dr. Dzwiza, and her sincere enthusiasm for the material always shines through. I feel you two left each other with new things to think about, I know I have a lot to think about. The thing about the decans is extremely interesting, and it's never come up in my reading of the Akephalos. I've often wondered if "the Headless One," like a lot of Greek deities, was both a title and thing in and of itself (like how there was a goddess named Nike, but then you have Zeus Nike. Not a syncretic god, necessarily, but maybe). I also have a lot of sympathy for the idea of the Akephalos as an executed criminal, even though I recognize it's not likely. Anyway, you guys put a lot of work, and I think all of the viewers can appreciate it.
@@Fr.O.G. Thank you for listening all the way through :-) And you're right, there are so many new things that came up and developed during our talk. My brain feels like a bee hive on Warp speed :-) I am currently digging deeper into more ancient Egyptian material. And so many comments here are not only encouraging, but so tremendously inspiring. Thank you for sharing!
I'm very curious as to why there seems to have been a huge interest in Crowey and rituals that came his way through the Golden Dawn in the last year. Twenty years ago as a kid I knew Crowley as the bald weirdo that all the Goth kids worshipped and who made them feel tough when they were getting bullied around, but they really didn't know anything of Crowley's work or anything of the Occult. Last year for reasons I can't explain I became fascinated with Crowley, read some of his works which led me to other older works. What I find fascinating is the amount of material that has been posted on the internet in the past year alone. Why is this? Is there some sort of Reemergence of a Golden Age if Magick?
The journey continues. So much perspective and actual data provided here this 3hr. I'm immensely grateful. The name Akephalos appears Egyptian, appears in temple, papyri and from knowledgeable hands of their time as scribes/practitioner(s). What I find interesting in this the headless having nothing above the shoulder, and others having 5, 7 or more, what's described as eyes, snakes etc. This perhaps specifying the particular daemon, deity, attribute or Archetype called upon. Having None perhaps being the highest, the Creator God(mother/father), the Adamic, or Adonai highest in Creators under the AbsoLutE.🤔 The two 📚 s IAO, Bruce Codecs I think would be an excellent video. This Magik describes the Treasury of Light, Jehoshua Magik and gives the Three Baptisms (each with it's own Ringlet Sigil). 3 baptisms not One as provided by the Church
On ancient signs and words, I suggest reading Irving Finkel's book The First Ghosts, he has worked at the British Museum for decades studying cuneiform writing. In it, he discusses ancient magic in what is today Iraq and Iran.
I love listening to your vids while I'm at work , especially this one , it's fantastic but I'd like to ask from a beginner standpoint what book(s) would you recommend for a better understanding of esoteric or magical practices/knowledge
From an archaeologists perspective, I would recommend getting into the primary sources to get insight into what practitioners did and thought. The Betz translation of the magical papyri is a good starting point for gaining first hand understanding of ancient ritual practice and knowledge.
At 1:30:20 - 1:30:50 whats the name of the book and author she's refering to? I havent finished the video yet so i dont know if all mentioned books are listed at the end or not.
UPDATE: I'm pretty sure I found the book and author Papyri Graecae Magicae. Die Griechischen Zauberpapyri, by Karl Preisendanz My previous reply was taken down, hopefully this one stays.
Just a shot in the dark but could the Acephalos have a similar thing as Janus Bifrons going on? Not sure when Egyptian new year is/was but it’s interesting that those two depictions of an Acephalos are near Capricorn and Aquarius, and Janus looks forward and back. While the wheel of the zodiac has no beginning and no end-and so no head.
At around the 2 hour, 8 minute, 50 second mark: "In place of the headless god's head, there are what look like eyes..." Me "That sounds like Bloodborne!" "...Or snakes..." "That *also* sounds like Bloodborne..." "...or blood fountains coming out." "That *REALLY* sounds like Bloodborne!" :O
hello both, what a delight - thank you! There's ofcourse George Battaille's l'Acephale - too modern to help your determiniations -philospher, anarchist, anti-fascist - in his symbolism it denotes no leadership - so it could indeed be sabbatical year for a priest, or the freedom from the kha(ba) and the thoughtbody (that needed to be controlled strictly to lead a fulfilling (after)life...name doesn't pop up in my head (huh) om the fly. Thank you both!
The origin of the Bornless one ......the Hidden God im hearing very specific diagnostical names from most of my life are jumping out I see why you saw this all over the place as a 93er- specifically a former typhonian.
She was reading a part that says the headless damon and something about feet but I can’t understand what exactly she is saying or means. I am very curious about the translation here and would really appreciate it if someone could clarify. Thank you. It’s about at 1:07:50 - 1:08
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic thank you so much ! Very interesting! Have you heard of an invisible being or god that grabs people’s feet and pulls on them ? Also, for some reason they have found in really old homes in Europe and also America where people hid a single shoe , usually a child’s shoe, inside the wall for protection from something. I am wondering if it’s all related to this headless god. I am also wondering if the origins of the Cinderella story where the prince will only recognize her by her foot then he will take her is also all tied into this some way. I have subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching your videos. :)
If there's a Software Engineering position opening at Esoterica Inc. in the near future, where can I apply? I've done a little bit of sqlite and a few java projects, but lately (last 4 years) it's all been c++ and occasional python. Just please don't make me work with django again - I'll do it, but I really don't want to.
Also I designed a sword in my tattoo,witch I thought I designed it myself,but I seemed to have intuitively channeled it,my birth started with a resurrection from the dead,at the age of o 25 I was anointed by isis
"I learned Demotic by accident" Fellas, don't you hate it when you start with an interest in Middle Kingdom pottery and accidentally the whole papyri???
All science is magic, and everything magic is a science. The picture is different than the text because it's the map and the story is the directions to destination. One can make many sets of directions from one map. The philosophy of the practicer decodes the story Without a head one is blind Sam I el
I have a tattoo with a heart incorporating a snake and heart making all snakes of religion to become one : ourobouros,aesclepius,caduceus,kundalini,double helix dna,heart and conciousness,the ankh and cross.also telomeres.for 15 years,some months ago I heard in meditation: oh you are the one with the thrice open heart conciousness. Would love to talk to you both,let me know.
Drawing down these entities I think is very real. And if you get a body of people of the same mind in these rituals it powerful. What? Do you think these priest that spent years in mystery schools were all nuts. I wouldn't bet against an Egyptian no never
@ESOTERICA what if the top of the papyri was for tearing off if it was a prescription of sorts... i've done this kind of thing a cut here ritual on paper. Especially if you were like physically handing it to someone as a prescription of sorts.
I wonder how much connection between Yeshua/Jesus crusafied between two theives and this Ritual being between two Rituals for detecting theifs have any kind of through-line connection .... Or just coincidence 🤔 😉
As long as the practitioner's heart is in the right place (not a scammer, cult leader or grifter) I think magical healing/consultation should be just as well accepted as any clergy, or any other self-improvement professional, such as a therapist or life coach.
@@azraphon for sure. And God help the con man who has ever led people away from the *realities* of the spiritual realm. That might be a level of sin we don't talk about as mere humans.
@@sideoutside barring the joke I hope you're making, I think the key thing is they're in it for selfish reasons. Even if they believe their own hype, their methods and practices invariably place the leader above everyone in all things. Of course, this places them in the company of lesser grifters who use "mainstream" religions for similar purposes, but the idealized religious leader is more of a counselor and provider for their flock and is doing things for the good of the group, in their mind. The idealized cult leader is doing things to further themselves only.
Something that I've learned from using a Strong's is that English completely and utterly butchers Hebrew and Greek complexity. I've seen so many words that have completely different meanings translated as the same word in English. Also sometimes it seems like the word that something is translated into deprives it of all the other definitions that the original language had embedded in that one word.
Perhaps the Akephalos is another name for the idea of Agnostos Theos - the G’d beyond understanding (aka headless) I think that would be a fascinating connection to Greek and platonic theology.
Looking forward to seeing if she links this being to the constellation Orion as having the remarkable context of having both the Sun and Moon take position on its "shoulders" a couple of times per year, and thus considered "headless" the rest of the year and those Great Lights constituting its *head* roaming around the cosmos, defining the Zodiac, and "Heaven" in general... Looking forward to more detail from her, even if that isn't supported in the records. It certainly seems to give the ritual a lot of potent *oomph* for me when the Moon rides His shoulders.
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic @The Archaeology of Ancient Magic & Ritual Practice with the ecliptic (and thereby each of the astrological planets) passing just above it, I tend to agree with an astro magician colleague of mine, Andrew B Watt, that it's association with this ritual seems persuasive enough for magical-work, given the various associations with this being's apparent authority over the hosts of the stars. I'd be very interested if there are any academics making that link, and how they find it. Thank you so much for this interview! I'll definitely be looking at the original manuscripts for further PGM work, now that I know they are mainly available online! I'd been making-do with Betz and Dr Skinner's complimentary "Techniques..." book.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking...Gordon White's discussion of the headlessness of Orion, and the occurrence of such at Gobekli Tepe and elsewhere in his book Star Ships was what resonated with me when I heard the discussion of the decans connections here. I also know the "chest-heads"/Blemmyae (as they are called in Pliny the Elder's Natural History, and in a number of other texts, like Dioscorus of Aphrodito's fragments on a "Blemmyomachy" that--if I am remembering correctly?--is associated with the Emperor Trajan in some fashion, though of course written several centuries later, since I believe Dioscorus wrote in the 5th/6th century). This is exciting stuff, certainly! Thanks, Dr. Sledge, and Dr. Dzwiza! If I can find some way to assist with this work, I would certainly like to do so. I've written a few smaller pieces on particular PGM names and formulae in various places, (e.g. what voces magicae/nomina barbara are associated with Ereshkigal) in a few different places, so if it would be useful to have those things, I can definitely provide them. And, I will eventually have some more work on certain matters of relevance to the PGM in the next year, if all goes well...!?! I also used to know some people involved with database creation, and it would be great to see if they'd be interested in working on some of what is discussed here, as it probably wouldn't be too difficult or time-consuming for them, though I don't know their rates or availability currently.
@@TheEsotericaChannel I know you said this was coming but I'm supposed to be painting a portrait of Tom Savini reacting to my portrait of Joe Spinell in maniac.
ha yeah demotics is tricky!! not there yet but impressed by those who've made any progress in it, especially mastery on the subject...hopefully I'll get there someday still though!!
i couldn't have hoped for a better episode, this is going to be incredible -3hours: time to kick back and be amazed! -thank you both for this collab and your years of research.
"I'm down for-" means something like "im willing/excited for-", perhaps you were confusing it with just saying "I'm down" as in "I'm feeling down (sad, upset)"?
@@garrettgearhart6123 Thank you! I wondered if it means something like "I'm so tired" and am really glad that it doesn't. Thank you for following me :-)
May know some people on a couple of magical Discords who might be interested in the kind of web database project you're talking about here. I'll point a couple of them at it and see if anyone is integrated enough to reach out to y'all!
I'm not sure if anything ever came of this, but I'm interested in learning backend programming and have some time to do so. If anyone did show interest and they need someone to do grunt work and are willing to kind of guide me on the frontend, I'd love to help. Thanks!
Really grateful for this work, and have subscribed to Dr Dizwiza's page! I'm a clinical social worker. I have been reading cards since I was 15. I learned on the Crowley deck. As someone who works in an oral method (talk therapy), as well as an image based one via cartomancy, I truly appreciate this opportunity to more deeply connect to this side of this kind of spiritual work and to connect to our ancient past. To me, it speaks to the collective unconscious.
And in addition, I notice a similarity in how the hard sciences tend to view Jung, with quite a bit of skepticism and distaste. He is too attracted to the mystical and the magical for that world. Sad.
@@cynthiadawn5806 Empircal, 'hard' science cannot adequately address areas of possible archetypal mental phenomenon that Jung postulated. As a materialist with sympathy for Joseph Campbell, it always struck me as trying to use binary (science) to compose poetry. Might be possible, but would it be any good?
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Hey esoterica (Dr Justin) I want to praise your humor, really underrated. I mean both in the corners of dailybreadtubers like let's talk religion and religion for breakfast there are great academic and fair-minded works, and in the darkfluencers can get really interesting topics and takes... But your dry dark and silly humor is something that goes without mention both in guests and comments.
Fantastic job
It is irresistibly charming when an obviously intelligent and erudite person asks the proper pronunciation of a common word when she is speaking about recondite subjects in her third or fourth language.
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Do you think I can believe her interpretation of the correct pronunciation of the word Jeu sounding as the word joy would in English?
I'm soon to begin the for baptism rituals described in the text and I think the pronunciation would be important.
Ive had the pleasure of working with Dr Dzwiza through her kickstarter. She is genuinely passionate about this work, super willing to answer questions and share insights. I named one of the magic signs she had offered (an anti demon sign) and she took the time to compile some information for me on my sign, how it was used etc. Very thoughtful and just generally a pleasure to deal with.
She's really a wonderful person and scholar!
My heart is filled with joy by her voice. So much enthusiasm, so much passion.
I am thankful for this channel for introducing us more and more great scholars.
I'm interested in this kind of thorough analysis.
The part around 39:00 that brings up the side-notes, marginalia, and contradictory instructions reminds me of something very familiar: modified food recipes! I have all sorts of notes written in cookbooks, often don't bother crossing out steps I already know to skip, and might leave in contradictory advice or failed substitutions for reference later on. Delightful to get the sense that these ritual references may have been modified in similar ways from practitioner to practitioner, or even within the lifetime of a single magic-user.
This is an excellent point
Manifestations of human experience :-)
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic Beautifully put!
@@TheEsotericaChannel Ah, thank you! These conversations are so insightful and thought-provoking. Thank you for hosting sessions like this!
@@AllenCrawford3 Much appreciated!
One thing I am impressed with is that so many of these scholars, in addition to mastering their field, also learn English.
As someone who taught English to adults for 15 years, I find this amazing and worthy of note.
Interesting, there is a headless Goddess among the 10 Tantric Goddesses of Hindusim, she is named "Maa Chinnamasta" and her image is quite terrifying to the lay person. The Tantric system is based on the divine feminine and is the equivalent of the Gnostic teachings of the West. The Tantric system is where the Kundalini/Shekinah teachings with all it's spells/mantras of Mukta(Liberation) as wells as worldly desires fame, wealth, destruction of enemies known in the west as "Left Hand Path" practices. The Low Status of Women a theme in western traditional esoteric practices is a theme that bars entry to the Paternalistic religious & philosophy of both East & West academia. I am exploring the Kabbalistic connection between Western Magic & Vedanta philosophy. The 10 Goddesses of the Dasa-Mahavidya align with the 10 Sephiroth which align with the 10 Bode Orbital planets & the 10 Goddesses. Neptune (Kali), Uranus (Bagalamukhi), Saturn (Dhumavati), Jupiter (Kamalatmika), Ceres/Moon (Tara), Mars (Bhairavi), Earth (Maa Chinnamasta), Venus (Tripura Sundari), Mercury (Matangi) & Sun (Bhuvaneshvari). The 22 letters of the sacred Phoenician/Hebrew alphabet align with the 22 Shruti Notes of Classical Indian Music. The Pi ratio closest approximation using integers of 22/7 points to the alignment of a Theory Of Everything uniting all physics which I am pursuing. The Ten Goddesses are the combination of the 3 main Vendanta Goddesses, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati Archetypes combined as 3 doubles (6), 1 Triple(3) and 3 (3) single avatars to give a total of 12 archetypes of the Zodiac added to the 10 t give 22. Meditation on the symbolism of Maa Chinnamasta shows the unique path we experience on the Earth School.
So glad TH-cam exists so I can have access to such wonderful information.
They also hinder free thought as well, they are too political. GOT IT😊
Three hours?! I know what I'm doing tonight! Thanks much to both of you.
I always listen to your videos while cooking and cleaning, you make my daily routine so much more interesting! I always learn something.
Fascinating dialogue! Just what the doctor ordered for an icy afternoon in Texas. Thank you for your efforts!
Oh my gosh I love hearing her talk. You can feel her passion, humour, and sheer joy when she talks about this. AND she plays DND! She's my hero.
Enthralled! And thrilled for this amazing conversation with Dr Kirsten Dzwiza of Antikemagie! From her kickstarter, youtube channel and fascinating content! I'm excited for this series on The Headless One, The Bornless Rite, from the The Greek Magical Papyri, context and history and formation and provenance.
Fantastic interview! Love Dr. Dzwiza's genuine passion and enthusiasm for the subject. Yall doin great work!
*Wtf?*
Magic from the ancient past was based in symbolism but it's not relevant enough to compile together? That's like saying language is irrelevant so we don't need dictionaries. Magic symbols are like a universal language for Magicians.
Yep, it's insane
This was absolutely amazing!! Please have Dr. Dzwiza on again, listening to both of you speak is so enlightening and stimulating! It would be fantastic if yall did a follow up Q&A or just other collaborations in the future. Thank you so much for your time and enthusiasm, it warms my heart to hear both of your passion and care for these topics
Listening to y’all talk about “ring signs” and how pervasive those are is crazy for me as a practitioner, those signs look very similar to signs I use in my magick that I’ve collected from meditation. I had no idea anyone else used signs that look like that, them calling on a higher power and not a god/spirit tracks too. They usually represent concepts when I use them like justice, healing, revenge, karmic return. Broad concepts, like calling on an archetype almost. I’m EXCITED about that kickstarter.
I find your use of ring signs as representing concepts very interesting. And I wonder: What do you mean with "collected from meditation"?
It's weird, and a little gratifying when you think that you do something unique that no one else does, only to discover that it was "the way things were done" hundreds of years ago😂😂 Looks like your meditation is paying off!
The way I have my practice space set up is extremely unique. It came to me during a series of meditations. I thought I did things so differently... until I read some books from the 1700s and 1800s and learned that's just how people set up their space back then 😂😂😂
The headless* series continues, with no hat necessary. Much Love.
😂😂😂
This was such a wonderful discussion. Thank you both
Utterly profound conversation on multiple levels. Thank you both.
Wonderful people doing wonderful things together.
Such deep gratitude and thanks to you both for this offering. So satisfying ❤🙏🏿🙌🏿👍🏾bless yer socks🎉
I love when you describe how us commoners love your Esoterica channel just the way commoners we’re using the Magicians she has been talking about. There seems to always have been a religion for elites and another for everybody else.
This chat is the shizz. This is exactly the sort of content I come here for.
Maybe the 'heart girt/encircled with a serpent' wasn't intended as this great poetical notion, maybe it was just magical shorthand for the Heart-Shaped name referenced in PGM II 64-183, written inside an ouroboros serpent?
This is an amazing thought I totally missed! You mean "My name is a heart ..." is meant as an instruction concerning how to write the name: in the shape of a heart, which is attested multiple times in the Greek magical papyri, among increasing and decreasing winged shapes of writing names and vowels and other shapes, and encircled by, as Dr. Sledge suggested, an Ouroboros. This would make a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing your inspiring idea! I'd love to share this on Twitter and include it in my future work, how can I reference or refer to you?
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic You are very welcome (btw you can refer to me as Darren Grant, if you want). Glad you found it useful. Not that amazing, though, considering the use of phrases like 'You, I adjure, God's seal' or 'You I adjure God's signet,' I just read it as a shorthand reference to the complex shape of the name rather than this full-blown deep meaning that Crowley et al ascribe it with.
had to double check when I saw it was 3 hours long, thank you for this gift!
three hours!!!!! Yes!!!! Going to have to wait till Thursday to have time to watch the whole thing. Now I have a reason to look forward to Thursday!
Wow, that was awesome!!!
Laid up with covid, tested positive a day ago; perfect timing!
Feel better soon!
Get well soon! ✨
A tremendously interesting presentation!
Great guest. The passion for your work comes through in the discussion! I wish I could see you both. I am grateful for the knowledge painstakingly acquired by both of your endeavors. I found it highly edifying to consider the reverence that some cultures can put on their written languages. O haven’t gotten through but half of the episode, but I’d like to hear the correlation between written language esoteric reverence and literacy rates sometime if it doesn’t end up being addressed in this interview. Thank you Dr. Sledge. May you never underestimate the knowledge and value you bring to the the great unwashed! HERO!
Incredible 🙏 Thank you @antikemagie and @esoterica 🌌
Great pleasure :-)
Wonderful guest and discussion, thank you! Just subscribed to her channel 💙✨
Awesome, thank you!
Longest esoterica video so far? I think so but I'm down for longer content
What a fantastic talk and woman!
Danke viel mal Frau Dzwiza!
The pleasure was all mine :-)
The first separate priestly writing system was Sumerian cuneiform. The gods retained their symbolatry even as the language became more phonetic and akkadian cunieform replaced sumerian in the Akkadian and subsequent periods.
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@@TheEsotericaChannel you can dinger that😎
No way, I literally just gave a paper on the Acephale today. What a weird synchronization
I would love to learn about your work, do you share it online?
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic glad you're interested, but not yet! I'm only just finishing my undergrad, so I'm just in the early stages of looking for publications
I was just waiting for you to eventually bring in Doc Kirsten and I'm glad you did! But man, between my own English as second language, the different accents and Greek and Egyptian terminology I really wish automated subtitles were advanced enough to actually help in this case 😅
When you post the time stamps I'll translate what I said into understandable words :-)
Yes! The idea of crowdsourcing funding for the publication of highly specialized academic research (that's not held captive by special interest groups and is available/accessible to the public) gets me excited for the future and both my wallet and I are here for it!
The institutional monopoly on truth (ie, academic racketeering) is an infuriating fire that burns deep within my soul.
Is there a particular mailing list or group for those interested in directly supporting this type of research/publication?
Not really, it's just us lonely few public educators out here trying to see what works and trying to make a living doing so.
I also think this is a great idea. And would love to help.
I'd love to start learning backend programming and have a goal to start learning mid this year (2024).
If there is any one that reaches out and has programming experience, I'd love to help out. I don't have knowledge but I do have some time and stable enough job that I could assist.
Thanks again for the channel, I think your style is super approachable. And sorry for hijacking your comment @jicajacobsonkimbreaux, but I came looking for someone else who caught the DB idea as well.
Finding who stole your cheese roll is a very important spell in my opinion.
Food theft at work, always topical :-)
Great show!
By coincidence got done with work early today so I have three hours to sit and listen to this while I organize the 3,000+ character portraits I downloaded for Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous.
I'm a sad man.
Anyway, I'm sure I'll have comments on the video by the end.
Finally finished (watching the video, not organizing my Pathfinder portraits). A lot to take in. This is the second interview I've heard with Dr. Dzwiza, and her sincere enthusiasm for the material always shines through. I feel you two left each other with new things to think about, I know I have a lot to think about.
The thing about the decans is extremely interesting, and it's never come up in my reading of the Akephalos. I've often wondered if "the Headless One," like a lot of Greek deities, was both a title and thing in and of itself (like how there was a goddess named Nike, but then you have Zeus Nike. Not a syncretic god, necessarily, but maybe). I also have a lot of sympathy for the idea of the Akephalos as an executed criminal, even though I recognize it's not likely.
Anyway, you guys put a lot of work, and I think all of the viewers can appreciate it.
@@Fr.O.G. Thank you for listening all the way through :-) And you're right, there are so many new things that came up and developed during our talk. My brain feels like a bee hive on Warp speed :-) I am currently digging deeper into more ancient Egyptian material. And so many comments here are not only encouraging, but so tremendously inspiring. Thank you for sharing!
I'm very curious as to why there seems to have been a huge interest in Crowey and rituals that came his way through the Golden Dawn in the last year. Twenty years ago as a kid I knew Crowley as the bald weirdo that all the Goth kids worshipped and who made them feel tough when they were getting bullied around, but they really didn't know anything of Crowley's work or anything of the Occult. Last year for reasons I can't explain I became fascinated with Crowley, read some of his works which led me to other older works. What I find fascinating is the amount of material that has been posted on the internet in the past year alone. Why is this? Is there some sort of Reemergence of a Golden Age if Magick?
I think the interest has always been there. It was finding information that was difficult 20 years ago.
Accessibility improvement and the relation between difficult times and interest in offroad paths and thinking?
The journey continues. So much perspective and actual data provided here this 3hr. I'm immensely grateful. The name Akephalos appears Egyptian, appears in temple, papyri and from knowledgeable hands of their time as scribes/practitioner(s).
What I find interesting in this the headless having nothing above the shoulder, and others having 5, 7 or more, what's described as eyes, snakes etc. This perhaps specifying the particular daemon, deity, attribute or Archetype called upon. Having None perhaps being the highest, the Creator God(mother/father), the Adamic, or Adonai highest in Creators under the AbsoLutE.🤔 The two 📚 s IAO, Bruce Codecs I think would be an excellent video. This Magik describes the Treasury of Light, Jehoshua Magik and gives the Three Baptisms (each with it's own Ringlet Sigil). 3 baptisms not One as provided by the Church
Yoooo Dr Dzwiza in the house!
Let's goooo!!! She is sehr klug! ☺️
Really fantastic scholar - it was great chatting with her on this topic!
@@TheEsotericaChannel I just joined her Patreon. #2
Now that was IMPRESSIVE!!!
Uh, I somehow missed the heads-up on this segment. Other comments indicate that other viewers were aware of this meeting of the minds.
I mentioned it but sadly the release was delayed for technical reasons
On ancient signs and words, I suggest reading Irving Finkel's book The First Ghosts, he has worked at the British Museum for decades studying cuneiform writing. In it, he discusses ancient magic in what is today Iraq and Iran.
I love listening to your vids while I'm at work , especially this one , it's fantastic but I'd like to ask from a beginner standpoint what book(s) would you recommend for a better understanding of esoteric or magical practices/knowledge
Not really a question I can answer but there's lots of wisdom on that front around here!
From an archaeologists perspective, I would recommend getting into the primary sources to get insight into what practitioners did and thought. The Betz translation of the magical papyri is a good starting point for gaining first hand understanding of ancient ritual practice and knowledge.
YES! an esoterica on the headless god!
Man, I'm crazy about this woman's mind! Gotta re-watch and search for publications... Yummy episode, Doc.
Great guest. Great interview.
I love academics so fucking much
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Funny solomon spoke of a Headless demon/jinn as well
Could be 1 in the same 😎
At 1:30:20 - 1:30:50 whats the name of the book and author she's refering to?
I havent finished the video yet so i dont know if all mentioned books are listed at the end or not.
Hi there, I couldn't find any reference to a book I mentioned around 1:30, is there maybe a number lost?
UPDATE:
I'm pretty sure I found the book and author
Papyri Graecae Magicae. Die Griechischen Zauberpapyri, by Karl Preisendanz
My previous reply was taken down, hopefully this one stays.
🤙Aloha ⚒️ Mahalo
"interested" "important" ??
Oh hell yeah !!
Just a shot in the dark but could the Acephalos have a similar thing as Janus Bifrons going on?
Not sure when Egyptian new year is/was but it’s interesting that those two depictions of an Acephalos are near Capricorn and Aquarius, and Janus looks forward and back. While the wheel of the zodiac has no beginning and no end-and so no head.
Lol sike she literally basically says that re: acephalos/winter solstice like 2 seconds after I had that 💡
very cool
3 hours well spent!
I'm interested in this..
At around the 2 hour, 8 minute, 50 second mark: "In place of the headless god's head, there are what look like eyes..."
Me "That sounds like Bloodborne!"
"...Or snakes..."
"That *also* sounds like Bloodborne..."
"...or blood fountains coming out."
"That *REALLY* sounds like Bloodborne!" :O
Loved this video!! Could you do one on Baal?
The Canaanite storm god or the goetia demon?
@@TheEsotericaChannel the Canaanite storm god
Mayhaps!
If Ba'al is the storm god then who is Yahweh 🤔
hello both, what a delight - thank you! There's ofcourse George Battaille's l'Acephale - too modern to help your determiniations -philospher, anarchist, anti-fascist - in his symbolism it denotes no leadership - so it could indeed be sabbatical year for a priest, or the freedom from the kha(ba) and the thoughtbody (that needed to be controlled strictly to lead a fulfilling (after)life...name doesn't pop up in my head (huh) om the fly. Thank you both!
Reminds me of the T shaped pillars at Gobekli Tepe maybe part of the ancient head worship?
Or modern ritual practitioners and academics staging *together
Just like today, not everyone can read, hence the symbols
This is a really cool idea!
Yes
The origin of the Bornless one ......the Hidden God im hearing very specific diagnostical names from most of my life are jumping out I see why you saw this all over the place as a 93er- specifically a former typhonian.
She was reading a part that says the headless damon and something about feet but I can’t understand what exactly she is saying or means. I am very curious about the translation here and would really appreciate it if someone could clarify. Thank you. It’s about at 1:07:50 - 1:08
It’s like she said “ I am the headless demon in the feet I have side “
"In the feet I have sight"
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic thank you so much ! Very interesting! Have you heard of an invisible being or god that grabs people’s feet and pulls on them ? Also, for some reason they have found in really old homes in Europe and also America where people hid a single shoe , usually a child’s shoe, inside the wall for protection from something. I am wondering if it’s all related to this headless god. I am also wondering if the origins of the Cinderella story where the prince will only recognize her by her foot then he will take her is also all tied into this some way. I have subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching your videos. :)
If there's a Software Engineering position opening at Esoterica Inc. in the near future, where can I apply?
I've done a little bit of sqlite and a few java projects, but lately (last 4 years) it's all been c++ and occasional python. Just please don't make me work with django again - I'll do it, but I really don't want to.
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you mentioned wanting a data analyst to do some work ... please hit me up
Love the guest ,sub. 💚
Also I designed a sword in my tattoo,witch I thought I designed it myself,but I seemed to have intuitively channeled it,my birth started with a resurrection from the dead,at the age of o 25 I was anointed by isis
Do you think Crowley had access to any of this info?
basically no
Interesting, thanks.
"I learned Demotic by accident"
Fellas, don't you hate it when you start with an interest in Middle Kingdom pottery and accidentally the whole papyri???
All science is magic, and everything magic is a science.
The picture is different than the text because it's the map and the story is the directions to destination.
One can make many sets of directions from one map.
The philosophy of the practicer decodes the story
Without a head one is blind
Sam I el
I have a tattoo with a heart incorporating a snake and heart making all snakes of religion to become one : ourobouros,aesclepius,caduceus,kundalini,double helix dna,heart and conciousness,the ankh and cross.also telomeres.for 15 years,some months ago I heard in meditation: oh you are the one with the thrice open heart conciousness. Would love to talk to you both,let me know.
49 letter name of ildabaoth
Drawing down these entities I think is very real. And if you get a body of people of the same mind in these rituals it powerful. What? Do you think these priest that spent years in mystery schools were all nuts. I wouldn't bet against an Egyptian no never
Aaaaaahhhhh...fancy intro...I'm a sucker for fancy intros
Abraxas sees through his feet his name is 7 letters= 7 planets adds up to 365=m days connected to Osiris =Orion Orion is the headless one.
all the knowledge of humanity is in our dna if your listen love awareness harmony 369
Did she say ildabaoth?
Sabaoth I think
@@TheEsotericaChannel that makes much more sense
@ESOTERICA what if the top of the papyri was for tearing off if it was a prescription of sorts... i've done this kind of thing a cut here ritual on paper. Especially if you were like physically handing it to someone as a prescription of sorts.
I wonder how much connection between Yeshua/Jesus crusafied between two theives and this Ritual being between two Rituals for detecting theifs have any kind of through-line connection .... Or just coincidence 🤔 😉
Headless Deacon In the Zodiac of Capricorn which is a Goat/Fish Image.... That's not Esoteric Christian imagery at alllll... He Is Risen.
Sounds Greek to me
As long as the practitioner's heart is in the right place (not a scammer, cult leader or grifter) I think magical healing/consultation should be just as well accepted as any clergy, or any other self-improvement professional, such as a therapist or life coach.
Well, clergy are magical practitioners, but such people are either grifters or have been grifted.
@@azraphon for sure. And God help the con man who has ever led people away from the *realities* of the spiritual realm. That might be a level of sin we don't talk about as mere humans.
Whats so bad about cult leaders...
@@sideoutside barring the joke I hope you're making, I think the key thing is they're in it for selfish reasons. Even if they believe their own hype, their methods and practices invariably place the leader above everyone in all things. Of course, this places them in the company of lesser grifters who use "mainstream" religions for similar purposes, but the idealized religious leader is more of a counselor and provider for their flock and is doing things for the good of the group, in their mind. The idealized cult leader is doing things to further themselves only.
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Dr. Dzwiza is a nerd queen. This was such an excellent discussion to listen in on, and not just for the discussion of Acephalos and the GMP and DMP.
:-))) Best honour ever!
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic thank you again so much for sharing your knowledge and the fruits of your hard work.
Something that I've learned from using a Strong's is that English completely and utterly butchers Hebrew and Greek complexity. I've seen so many words that have completely different meanings translated as the same word in English. Also sometimes it seems like the word that something is translated into deprives it of all the other definitions that the original language had embedded in that one word.
Perhaps the Akephalos is another name for the idea of Agnostos Theos - the G’d beyond understanding (aka headless) I think that would be a fascinating connection to Greek and platonic theology.
I'd render Immortal Fire as "Flame Imperishable" to bring it back to Tolkien.
3 Hours!? OMG YESSSSSSS
Yep, 3 hours :)
@@TheEsotericaChannel you spoil us rotten
Looking forward to seeing if she links this being to the constellation Orion as having the remarkable context of having both the Sun and Moon take position on its "shoulders" a couple of times per year, and thus considered "headless" the rest of the year and those Great Lights constituting its *head* roaming around the cosmos, defining the Zodiac, and "Heaven" in general...
Looking forward to more detail from her, even if that isn't supported in the records. It certainly seems to give the ritual a lot of potent *oomph* for me when the Moon rides His shoulders.
We definitely get into the astrological connection
@@TheEsotericaChannel Looking forward to that bit especially, but also the rest of it!
I haven't thought of this, thank you for sharing. It's interesting due to the dekan context of the Akephalos. I will keep this in mind.
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@The Archaeology of Ancient Magic & Ritual Practice with the ecliptic (and thereby each of the astrological planets) passing just above it, I tend to agree with an astro magician colleague of mine, Andrew B Watt, that it's association with this ritual seems persuasive enough for magical-work, given the various associations with this being's apparent authority over the hosts of the stars. I'd be very interested if there are any academics making that link, and how they find it.
Thank you so much for this interview! I'll definitely be looking at the original manuscripts for further PGM work, now that I know they are mainly available online! I'd been making-do with Betz and Dr Skinner's complimentary "Techniques..." book.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking...Gordon White's discussion of the headlessness of Orion, and the occurrence of such at Gobekli Tepe and elsewhere in his book Star Ships was what resonated with me when I heard the discussion of the decans connections here.
I also know the "chest-heads"/Blemmyae (as they are called in Pliny the Elder's Natural History, and in a number of other texts, like Dioscorus of Aphrodito's fragments on a "Blemmyomachy" that--if I am remembering correctly?--is associated with the Emperor Trajan in some fashion, though of course written several centuries later, since I believe Dioscorus wrote in the 5th/6th century).
This is exciting stuff, certainly! Thanks, Dr. Sledge, and Dr. Dzwiza! If I can find some way to assist with this work, I would certainly like to do so. I've written a few smaller pieces on particular PGM names and formulae in various places, (e.g. what voces magicae/nomina barbara are associated with Ereshkigal) in a few different places, so if it would be useful to have those things, I can definitely provide them. And, I will eventually have some more work on certain matters of relevance to the PGM in the next year, if all goes well...!?! I also used to know some people involved with database creation, and it would be great to see if they'd be interested in working on some of what is discussed here, as it probably wouldn't be too difficult or time-consuming for them, though I don't know their rates or availability currently.
I'm supposed to do things today. How dare you do this to me.
It's pretty podcast-able, but make sure to check the images especially in the second half!
@@TheEsotericaChannel I know you said this was coming but I'm supposed to be painting a portrait of Tom Savini reacting to my portrait of Joe Spinell in maniac.
Nice!
Sweeeet! Great follow up to your last video! Thanks for all the great content.
ha yeah demotics is tricky!! not there yet but impressed by those who've made any progress in it, especially mastery on the subject...hopefully I'll get there someday still though!!
Heck yes my day just got so much better! Justin your the man.
i couldn't have hoped for a better episode, this is going to be incredible -3hours: time to kick back and be amazed! -thank you both for this collab and your years of research.
HELL YES DR SLEDGE! I’m so down with 3 hours of AKEPHALOS!
Help me out here, "I'm so down" is a good thing?
@@TheArchaeologyOfAncientMagic yes! It means I’m extremely excited for 3 hours of this subject . I just started following you too 🙂
"I'm down for-" means something like "im willing/excited for-", perhaps you were confusing it with just saying "I'm down" as in "I'm feeling down (sad, upset)"?
@@garrettgearhart6123 Thank you! I wondered if it means something like "I'm so tired" and am really glad that it doesn't. Thank you for following me :-)
@@anglerfish4161 Thanks a lot for explaining it! I wasn't sure what it means, idioms can be really tricky.
May know some people on a couple of magical Discords who might be interested in the kind of web database project you're talking about here. I'll point a couple of them at it and see if anyone is integrated enough to reach out to y'all!
That's really kind, thanks a lot for taking the time!
I'm not sure if anything ever came of this, but I'm interested in learning backend programming and have some time to do so.
If anyone did show interest and they need someone to do grunt work and are willing to kind of guide me on the frontend, I'd love to help.
Thanks!
Really grateful for this work, and have subscribed to Dr Dizwiza's page! I'm a clinical social worker. I have been reading cards since I was 15. I learned on the Crowley deck. As someone who works in an oral method (talk therapy), as well as an image based one via cartomancy, I truly appreciate this opportunity to more deeply connect to this side of this kind of spiritual work and to connect to our ancient past. To me, it speaks to the collective unconscious.
And in addition, I notice a similarity in how the hard sciences tend to view Jung, with quite a bit of skepticism and distaste. He is too attracted to the mystical and the magical for that world. Sad.
@@cynthiadawn5806 Empircal, 'hard' science cannot adequately address areas of possible archetypal mental phenomenon that Jung postulated. As a materialist with sympathy for Joseph Campbell, it always struck me as trying to use binary (science) to compose poetry. Might be possible, but would it be any good?