I do wish Criterion Dungeons ended up like this in FFXIV. A mix of what they are currently with Deep Dungeon mechanics (in regard to pick-up loot). Hell, if they use PvP skills, they could easily scale it up for ability-changing loot like the opal/sapphire/emerald/ruby upgrades.
one player is a hellish bullet hell, two/three/four players everyone must play perfect, but there is less spread patterns when you have only one buddy so its significantly easier to coordinate in very tight spaces, because arena is always the same size
As an FFXIV raider, I already know that the mechanics and aesthetics were heavily inspired by the game. In fact a friend was trying to sell the game to me before it's full release by just describing it as "FFXIV, but 2d and roguelike" and honestly I was sold so fast.
Maybe it's just me My voice, my face, my personality What would I have to be? If it's for you then I would change my every thing...! When I look into the jade lakeside My darkened silhouette is all that I can see But soon I'll shine, just as bright as you And then you'll see me NGL the lyrics go hard
@@AgentOracle That only depends on which "big" company. I mean, any company that makes enough money to be famous across a wide range of people can already be considered big. For example, you cannot really call Hoyoverse(the ones making Genshin Impact) a small studio in any capacity with how much money they're raking in selling Gacha mechanic while still getting a lot of people playing their games and popularity beyond them.
aaaaaaaa I'm so happy to see Skooch reviewing this game I've been anticipating it for so long now Additionally very important information: You can pet the shopkeeper :>
Fun Fact: This game is a sequel to a game called "Maiden and Spell" which is essentially a non-roguelike, single player version of the game. Maiden and Spell is inspired directly by Touhou Project, which means that "Lunar" mode is a direct parallel to the "Lunatic" difficulty. Due to the notorious difficulty of the "Lunatic" difficulty and it's legacy on the Touhou community, there's a good chance that the "Lunar" mode was specifically designed to be almost impossible.
A glowing review and doesn't even mention the great soundtrack or the fact that it has local multiplayer and remote play enabled so that you can get your friends in on your runs without them owning the game. Also the character interactions are genuinely very funny (to me) AND YOU CAN PET THE SHOPKEEPER CAT! There's seriously not a bad part of this game.
if i had a penny everytime an ultrahard game with bossfights built around bullet hell mechanics was themed around bunnygirls i would have 2 pennies, which isnt much but its weird that it happened twice. And both this and Rabi Ribi as super fun games to boot.
Love the video, banger as always. But uh, I noticed you missed something very important about the game; the soundtrack. It is CRIMINAL it wasn't at least mentioned. The whole game has a S tier track, especially Emerald Lakeside.
Good god the moment you said Red Darkhouse, i felt that pain. My favorite area though has to be the Scholars Nest. The moment the boss time stops you and gives you her next three attacks that you have to then play out is a really cool feeling when everyone does it perfectly Though you had mentioned difficult coop games? Idk if youve heard of it, but there's a roguelite coop called Ravenswatch and that's pretty difficult with an interesting skill ceiling for each character.
6:42 I'mma be real, Skooch: I see you upload, I watch. It doesn't matter what new thing it is you're talking about, I just like hearing you talk about stuff. Keep up the great work.
The funny thing about the dragon boss, is that she doesn't bring any new mechanics to the table. Crow boss has timestop, mouse boss has you chasing around adds, but dragon boss? It's all the exact same stuff you just saw with the regular enemies in the zone. Just layered on top of eachother in the most obnoxious, sensory-overload ways possible
been playing this game for the last week or so of release quite a bit, it's really flown under the radar, and nice to see someone get more than a few thousand views on their video about it. Hopefully it brings more in to play as it's really satisfying
Red Darkhouse is also a bit of a problem because of all the Stage colors in the game, Red on Black is ironically the least contrasting color on a black background (The others being Blue, Purple, Yellow, Green and White) while also being the most bullet hell stage.
There's actually an option to change the colors of the boss attacks, there's one for "Magenta Standard" for maximal contrast if boss attacks aren't visible enough for the player.
The bunny girls is why I'd believe someone telling me it would be one of the hardest games around. games with bunny girl protagonist are often the hardest. See: Bunny Must Die or Rabi-Ribi or some Touhou games.
the game seems to have too much eye candy and visual pollution, makes it all confusing and challenging to see which attacks are from where and what they do
Gloomhaven is a Fun unique Co-Op game on steam based off a RL board game. I found it fairly challenging and it has aspects of rogue-like games i think you might enjoy.
Love this game :) also wanted to say that the actually first lunar clear with 4 players was done by cheesing the game and giving the entire team permanent invulnerability
Watching that red dark house part made my brain giggle. Let me explain... I have always enjoyed bullet hell games for reason, and have always been good at them. A friend brought over a game called Mushihimesama that he had been obsessed with for days. I watched him play once before he handed the controller to me, and I beat the high score that he had spent days setting. Then there was Ikaruga which I fell in love with to the point that I could eventually beat it in a total of 11 lives. Eventually I took a test. Not some online IQ test that takes 20 minuets and tells you that you are a genius, but a timed test with more questions than there are minutes to complete the test (I think it averaged 30 seconds per question) and it mainly focused on spatial reasoning, pattern recognition, and logic. I wasn't taking this test for myself, but I was curious about my results and asked the person at the end what my score was. He said that he couldn't tell me my exact score or which answers were right or wrong, but he told me that I had the 2nd highest score he had ever seen, because one time somebody handed back both tests to him with 100% perfect scores. This game seems to be the same shape as my brain if that makes sense. Like if this game were a puzzle box with holes my brain would fit in the Rabbit and Steel shaped hole (and the square hole obviously, because everything fits in the square hole). I was watching red dark house and feeling that with enough practice I can do this. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to sell my friends on a game called Rabbit and Steel about cute anime bunny girls in a punishing rogue-lite co-op bullet hell.
As a FFXIV Raider this game was a must-buy and honestly it was exactly as messy and chaotic and fun as doing a new fight in XIV... definitely can recommand that game!
I feel like saying it’s a touhou game sells it short… all of the different abilities and combos of loot you’re able to rack up make the game feel way different :P
As an experienced raider myself i can see one big aspect of MMO raiding thats been vastly simplified. And thats the "trying out mechanics" part of the encounter. This game always has clear indicators of what one is supposed to do when, it even spells it out in big flashing colours what you must do exactly. Usually MMOs do not do this. Their mechanics are sometimes quite veiled, and it is up to your team to find out exactly what to do when, memorise it and then execute on it. Which is an interesting choice, but a welcome one. It should probably reduce the time to learn bosses from hours to days to...well, hours.
One detail I love is that each area is set up to teach you the bosses mechanics before you fight the boss. For example, the crow boss (my personal favorite) has a teleport mechanic forcing you to position yourself somewhere that will be safe for where you teleport. But you know the boss will do this because an earlier enemy you fight in the same area uses this on you in an easy to dodge pattern. They do this for nearly every single mechanic in the game. Plus, a lot of these mechanics are special to their own area and won’t appear in other areas (with some exceptions)
This gives me life considering the solo dev was highly inspired by FFXIV raiding, especially older content like the E8S or Edens 8 Savage fight with Shiva. I wouldnt be surprised if there's a light's rampant mechanic snuck in there somewhere 😂
If you want to see how insane Lunar gets one day because you're bored, if you join a Lunar mode run with 4 people already in it, you can just spectate their run. And uh. The ones I spectated went to the dragon place, which, I think, is the genuinely hardest area. And OHMYG-
I'm just putting this out here right now for anyone that just heard of the game and wants to try it I've played the game non stop from its release and sometimes with some friends for fun and I am also very experienced in bullet hell games as I've played them for almost my entire life and it took me almost my entire 150 hour playtime to be able to beat lunar difficulty solo (the one after hard mode) but don't be discouraged the game is hard but fair the mechanics are easy to learn and with some dedication I'm sure anyone can beat lunar difficulty, just be warned enemy mechanics changes dramatically when playing with more players so gl to everyone and don't forget to enjoy the game and stay calm as in the end this isn't just a bullet hell game its a rouge lite :))
What I like about this game is that if you're doing the mechanics correctly, the big walls and circles of bullets just pass you by and you're fine. But even if you don't do them right, you can still be a bullet hell sicko (positive) and _just dodge them anyway._
Personally I recommend you and your friends to play "full metal furies" (not furrys tho). It's a fantastic game with fun mechanics and also decently hard and a puzzle game. Loved it with my friends, hope you give it a try ^^
Difficult coop: Ravenswatch Synthetik GTFO Ready or Not Barotrauma Other coop: Monster Hunter (old & new) Deep Rock Galactic God Eater Exoprimal Rainbow Six (pre-siege) Divinity Baldur's Gate Wasteland The Ascent Castle Crashers
For challenging co-op games i can recommend: Both Payday games, GTFO, Serious Sam (first and second encounter). And for 2-player co-op i can think of: N++, battleblock theater, super cyborg, and maybe synthetik: legion rising.
I never thought skooch would make a video about one of my favorite games that has come out of recent. Also hello from the 2.5% of players to clear hard.
Been grinding Lunar solo, gotten to the final boss of some of the zones a few times. If you don’t get a good item in the tutorial zone resetting is required as even with 100% uptime certain characters cannot meet the damage check.
a decently challenging co-op game is deep rock galactic (ROCK AND STONE!) there are four classes and tons of areas to explore, challenges to unlock and complete, its four player co-op where you fulfil what the company wants you to do and shoot bugs. incredibly fun
20:56 Risk Of Rain 2 and Returns both work in comparison and challenge while being great Rougelikes. DeepRock Galatic's Dwarf lifestyle as a game. Gigantic, the Ramapage edition now adds unique enough Moba gameplay that it hopefully help cure you're trauma.
I'm sure you've heard about Helldivers 2, but I can't recommend it enough! It's a fantastic co-op game that is also very difficult, but not quite as cute as Rabbit & Steel. I guarantee that it will have you and your friends screaming in no time.
Can you add some way to support the devs in the description their website or steam page etc the name isn't even in the title or description either. I know now its called rabbit and steel but I had to replay the video.
a wise touhou player once said "the prettier the pattern the more dead you are," and that still applies to this it seems. This is in no way going to become my next bullet hell addiction lol
Idk if skooch is gonna see this But if you want something similar to this *terraria* with mods can provide an experience that you may be craving Calamity infurnum + fargos souls mod is maybe something you would enjoy, based on what was in this video
You know Skooch, if you wanted you could always try final fantasy 14 for your co-op experience. Yes there is a jrpg's worth of content before the end game hard stuff, but it's a story worth enjoying, especially if you have folks to meme through it with. All of the raids are done in such a way that even the ten year old ones can still be done at roughly the difficulty they were run from, you can do 2/3rds of the game for free, including the first three raid series, and once you get to the end of that free trial, you'll have access to "ultimate" raids, what are generally considered some of the hardest, and best designed co-op experiences in gaming, with their "prog time" the amount of time spent practicing, measured in weeks and months. For what it's worth there's also no pay to win, gatcha or predatory monetization.
I don't know you at all but the fact that a big creator made a. video about this game is awesome, the more people that know about this masterpiece the better
I've legit been enjoying Rabbit and Steel recently! Favorite rabbit's for me would be Sniper rabbit (Go green hair for the full Bucky'O'Hare experience!) and Ancient rabbit, because her orange skin has a bird!
I love you skooch. You bring me such fantastic games for my brain. Roguelike doesnt scare me, it inspires me. The genre makes failure easier to take. Even though I fail more often. Genuinely you have a knack for these kinds of videos and keeping my attention. Super adhd and easily discouraged. Gonna give this a look! And they have a DEMO?!? games with demos are automatically given big points
A lot of roguelikes a big problem though: Making you start from scratch and go through stages that aren't challenging to you anymore. It makes them addicting when you just start them, because it's fun to make a build and stuff, but that mechanic can become a hassle once you have to go to the same tutorial stage for the 100th time without any challenge just to pick up your starting build.
I may or may not have played one normal run, felt like it was too easy, then went and found a lobby of fandoms with no communication and unlocked all of the rest of the characters in two runs on hard mode.
If you want a difficult Multiplayer experience try playing Deep Rock Galactic on Hazard 5+ with all modifiers maxed out. If that doesn’t challenge you enough add some mission hazards on top. If all that still doesn’t suffice mod the hell out of the game until the entire screen is filled with enemies that instantly kill you. Also the game is quite fun.
Honestly. The biggest barrier has nothing to do with it being hard. It's cause it is an enforced coop game It's primarily popular in MMO spaces for obvious reasons
You know what's crazier? Only 2 % of players TO THIS DAY have beaten the story, because it's only available in single player and it's a significant time investment. The most common achievement for finishing the story is for the Red Darkhouse funnily enough, with 3.5% completed. The rarest is completing the entire story with Shira, at an exact 2.0% I don't have friends. I got these achievements
If you want a fun challenge for co-op play, then I can think of a couple (though idk if you’ve already covered them before or not): Risk of Rain Returns (Monsoon difficulty) Risk of Rain 2 (Eclipse mode) Deep Rock Galactic (Haz 5+, also this game has fantastic mod support) *insert Monster Hunter game of preference here* Overcooked 2 Doubtless there’s more, but these are the ones I’m mostly used to
coop recommendations hrm Hammerwatch is a cooperative dungeon crawler. Crawl is a competitive dungeon crawler. Regular Human Basketball makes players work together to operate a basketball robot. Barotrauma makes players work together to operate a not-spaceship
I've done everything for achievements besides clearing lunar, 30 and 40 trickets, and master palettes. This game really hits everything for me since both FFXIV and rogue likes are some of my fav things. My only critique is I wish there was a training mode where you could bash your head into the same boss/mini boss over and over till you learn it instead of needing to do others before you get there again
This game seems like it would be a good way to train savage raiders to read and react to mechanics in other MMOs since it's laid out in a way that simplifies all the mechanics down to their basest UI without all the flashy effects and details that might overload a new player's ability to parse what's important and what isn't. It just removes all the information that isn't relevant.
Challenging co-op game? *Dragon: Marked For Death* A 1-4 player, side scrolling, platformer, RPG made by Inti Creates that allows you to play from 6 different characters, 4 base game and 2 DLC. A large amount of quests to choose from with a few having side quests to complete. Difficult and hard hitting bosses, that may or may not anger some. I've only played this game solo with all characters, though I still a level grind to complete to fight the even tougher version of enemies and bosses. 😅 I personally like the game, but it can be a grind plus the contact damage will have some double take what just happened.
muck on gamer mode is an interesting experience. it looks, well bad. but it's like a runescape/minecraft survival game as a rougelike. but the longer you live the harder it is, monsters evolve into powered up versions, there are elite buffed versions that can knock you stuffing inside out for next winter and there are bosses that can just spawn in if you are unlucky enough. the objective is to repair the one ship in the world and kill bob. before you can fight bob you must find and eliminate 5 guardians that hold a different colored gem stone, (guardian in fact a boss that can spawn randomly). i love the game and there are some real nifty tricks to learn to make the game easier. I'll give you one that helps probably, don't spend your gold on chest the first 1 or 2 nights if you found a village and do NOT open the green pedestal chest, the villagers will hate you and try to kill you regardless if you helped them. also black chests are free. goodluck.
Operation tango is a fun coop game for 2 players. Highly reccomended. It relies on players only having half the info and needing to describe things to the other player.
Yes I'm late... But at 15:48 if you didn't know you can change the attack color in the settings. It helped me a bunch to understand certain attack because I just couldn't see them.
Mate I am amazed you managed to sell me on a game that short circuited all motor skills just from watching clips of it, good video. from ur ask at the end, I've played a lot of Vagante with a friend. Definitely way slower of a roguelike than this and probably leans more to the frustrating part of difficult, but somethin keeps pulling me back into it. Also Duelists of Eden came out a couple months ago and the original game was always too fast for my brain but a deckbuilding mega man battle network type fighting game is sick as hell and closer to Rabbit & Steel's speed (also same composer as this game) o7
Vagante is great, but really need some checkpoint system. I think there might be one in the mods section but I haven't look into it. It actually made me stop playing it without mastering all the stages and bosses, just because it's so frustrating to go through the first 6 stages every single time just to get to the parts that are actually challenging. The game also incentivizes lots of scavenge hunting around every stage for loot and gear, which makes the lack of checkpoints even worse.
If you want a difficult title to play, I highly recommend GTFO. Its very different to this kind of game but me and my group LOVE that game. its so fun to play tactically and the visuals/audio are soooooooo good.
19:43 visual clarity, is a thing that fundementally cannot be treated as a skill issue, as it's like a superficial form of difficulty, it isn't testing you on the mechanics you've learned it merely ruins them and makes them annoying to achieve. Zesty Jesus makes an amazing video on the well crafted design of TF2 being gutted:th-cam.com/video/8RAF-55O2-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iYRHyf8g3qzQriTl But basically it's important for your players to get what they're working with and forcing them struggle through bad design doesn't actually test anything it just blinds their eyes so they can't interact, in that video the visual design of Team reconigition got so gutted that a Pyro skin makes it basically impossible to tell who team it's on, resulting in a class not balanced around stealh to be stealthy. Which isn't a test of the players because nothing in game really used or tested you on that, that is a bad design dicesion making the game uncecarrly annoying to play instead of a insterting way to interact compared to like Spy who actually works around it and balances himself around it. Basically the game needs to change it up it's visiual design, I would also say their character design aswell, it isn't intersting playing the same generically looking bunny girl over and over because the creator didn't think about character sillouates, having it's characters lose alot of their pointential by limiting them all to gacha designs, AKA oversaturation AKA every terrible gacha game(though I would say all of them are due to fundemetnally being Badly designed but these are worse). TbSkyen's video on soulfoul design: th-cam.com/users/shortsKzS_7THp14c?feature=share
dev has ackowledged that there's definitely some work that can go into the visual language of the game But there's also some mmo veteran simplification that is intended, you see rotating aoes on the red darkhouse boss, I see aoes that hit half the room. Translating down mechanics into a simpler form of them depending on the context is a big mmo skill and is what makes red darkhouse challenging aside from shit visuals at times Also yes, modded bosses is in works
No no no, the most annoying part about Ranalie is NOT her actual mechanics, the dodging itself can be managed so long as you know what you're doing. The most annoying part is how she just fucking LEAVES, meaning you CAN'T HIT HER until she decides to come back in and set up her next death trap and then she leaves again. It pads out the fight by her just being untargetable for like half the time in her 2nd phase.
this game feels like the dev did a few savage raids and was like "but what if it was the entire game?"
im pretty sure the dev is a high end raider on ff14, so, yes that is exactly what happened
I do wish Criterion Dungeons ended up like this in FFXIV. A mix of what they are currently with Deep Dungeon mechanics (in regard to pick-up loot). Hell, if they use PvP skills, they could easily scale it up for ability-changing loot like the opal/sapphire/emerald/ruby upgrades.
@@FlickTakFlakAttack yea thats how I wanted the new deep dungeon to go, more roguelike, more ambitious, and less .... potd with a new skin
Bro 4 of us ultimate raiders had trouble with hard mode 😂
@@deatsu But I like the pain of solo running a new PotD. Guess you could always intentionally skip loot. That would be a fun run.
The fact that a game so deep and cool and expansive and fun and cute was made by a SOLO DEV is so inspiring ngl.
We're in the era of solo devs right now. Lethal Company and Crab Champions are two really great games both made by a singular human.
Wait a second,a hard game,made by a solo dev,with cute girls?guys, i think we found the next touhou
@@Zel-Veraan Did you mean crab game?
@@erkot000 nope. Crab Champions is a roguelike third person shooter developed by Noisestorm, the artist who made Crab Rave.
@@Zel-Veraan IIRC both Fear and Hunger games were also made by a singular dev!
"two players is probably the game at its simplest-" [shows what seems to be an elaborate alchemy diagram / cat's cradle made of lasers]
one player is a hellish bullet hell, two/three/four players everyone must play perfect, but there is less spread patterns when you have only one buddy so its significantly easier to coordinate in very tight spaces, because arena is always the same size
As an FFXIV raider, I already know that the mechanics and aesthetics were heavily inspired by the game. In fact a friend was trying to sell the game to me before it's full release by just describing it as "FFXIV, but 2d and roguelike" and honestly I was sold so fast.
There are lines on the floor
@@ThatVia _sometimes the lines are circles_
As a WHM, I can only recommend this Disposable Pointy Stick "don't stand in the fire, idiot" training aid highly.
this is just vierra savage raid simulator
It's just ff14 with an all viera party
So a normal WR prog?
just daily roulettes in a nutshell
The dev themself(?) admitted to have inspirations from XIV
"...it feels like a choreographed dance routine while having a cannon pointed at your face..."
Ah, so you liked the Avy fight too.
Maybe it's just me
My voice, my face, my personality
What would I have to be?
If it's for you then I would change my every thing...!
When I look into the jade lakeside
My darkened silhouette is all that I can see
But soon I'll shine, just as bright as you
And then you'll see me
NGL the lyrics go hard
Somehow, I feel like if this game was made by a big company, all of the bun girls would be a lot more anime
Considering this game was heavily inspired by Final Fantasy XIV (the dev admits they played a ton of it over the years), you are not far off the mark.
If this game was made by a "big" company, all the bun girls would be less attractive.
@@AgentOracle?
@@AgentOracle That only depends on which "big" company.
I mean, any company that makes enough money to be famous across a wide range of people can already be considered big.
For example, you cannot really call Hoyoverse(the ones making Genshin Impact) a small studio in any capacity with how much money they're raking in selling Gacha mechanic while still getting a lot of people playing their games and popularity beyond them.
@@RyudanX I never said they would be attractive
aaaaaaaa I'm so happy to see Skooch reviewing this game I've been anticipating it for so long now
Additionally very important information: You can pet the shopkeeper :>
Fun Fact: This game is a sequel to a game called "Maiden and Spell" which is essentially a non-roguelike, single player version of the game.
Maiden and Spell is inspired directly by Touhou Project, which means that "Lunar" mode is a direct parallel to the "Lunatic" difficulty. Due to the notorious difficulty of the "Lunatic" difficulty and it's legacy on the Touhou community, there's a good chance that the "Lunar" mode was specifically designed to be almost impossible.
But the lunatic difficulty is designed to be beatable by ZUN himself though, except Touhou 8 which has reduced difficulty for his wife
I KNEW I recognise this art style! Maiden and Spell is a masters, can't recommend it enough.
A glowing review and doesn't even mention the great soundtrack or the fact that it has local multiplayer and remote play enabled so that you can get your friends in on your runs without them owning the game. Also the character interactions are genuinely very funny (to me) AND YOU CAN PET THE SHOPKEEPER CAT! There's seriously not a bad part of this game.
if i had a penny everytime an ultrahard game with bossfights built around bullet hell mechanics was themed around bunnygirls i would have 2 pennies, which isnt much but its weird that it happened twice. And both this and Rabi Ribi as super fun games to boot.
Tevi exists too, made by the same guys who made rabi ribi.
I think legacy of lunatic kingdom deserves a honorable mention!
I havent played it so I am not sure how well it fits this, but maybe Rabbit Hole counts.
ah, multiplayer touhou
you're so wrong for that
Th3, 9, 19
I forgor if it was 3
@@unrealredist4124 to be fair Phantasms(and Fightings) are 1v1
Love the video, banger as always.
But uh, I noticed you missed something very important about the game; the soundtrack.
It is CRIMINAL it wasn't at least mentioned. The whole game has a S tier track, especially Emerald Lakeside.
I recommend the One Step from Eden soundtrack as well, same composer (Steel Plus).
You’re completely right abt the emerald lakeside tracks! The action vocals are so good, def one of my favs
Good god the moment you said Red Darkhouse, i felt that pain. My favorite area though has to be the Scholars Nest. The moment the boss time stops you and gives you her next three attacks that you have to then play out is a really cool feeling when everyone does it perfectly
Though you had mentioned difficult coop games? Idk if youve heard of it, but there's a roguelite coop called Ravenswatch and that's pretty difficult with an interesting skill ceiling for each character.
Edit (because I’m on mobile): I see you already talked about Ravens Watch in another video lol
6:42 I'mma be real, Skooch: I see you upload, I watch. It doesn't matter what new thing it is you're talking about, I just like hearing you talk about stuff. Keep up the great work.
Also, this game looks like TouHou had a child with Undertale.
I'm buying it.
@@Zel-Veraan How much money does it cost?, seems pretty cool
@@zariosmation3462 $15 on Steam.
The funny thing about the dragon boss, is that she doesn't bring any new mechanics to the table. Crow boss has timestop, mouse boss has you chasing around adds, but dragon boss? It's all the exact same stuff you just saw with the regular enemies in the zone. Just layered on top of eachother in the most obnoxious, sensory-overload ways possible
been playing this game for the last week or so of release quite a bit, it's really flown under the radar, and nice to see someone get more than a few thousand views on their video about it. Hopefully it brings more in to play as it's really satisfying
Red Darkhouse is also a bit of a problem because of all the Stage colors in the game, Red on Black is ironically the least contrasting color on a black background (The others being Blue, Purple, Yellow, Green and White) while also being the most bullet hell stage.
There's actually an option to change the colors of the boss attacks, there's one for "Magenta Standard" for maximal contrast if boss attacks aren't visible enough for the player.
@@teereee_official Whaaat, I need to try that. Thanks for informing people
The bunny girls is why I'd believe someone telling me it would be one of the hardest games around. games with bunny girl protagonist are often the hardest. See: Bunny Must Die or Rabi-Ribi or some Touhou games.
LET'S GO RABBIT AND STEEL
the game seems to have too much eye candy and visual pollution, makes it all confusing and challenging to see which attacks are from where and what they do
Everyone knows there's only one raid mechanic: Don't stand in fire.
Bad Rogue: It's so warm here in the fire!
Gloomhaven is a Fun unique Co-Op game on steam based off a RL board game. I found it fairly challenging and it has aspects of rogue-like games i think you might enjoy.
The game is great, the only bad thing is that it needs a proper training level. Tons of fun and hard as nails
Very few games i look at the screenand have absolutely no idea what is going on, im goin to have to check this one out.
Love this game :)
also wanted to say that the actually first lunar clear with 4 players was done by cheesing the game and giving the entire team permanent invulnerability
These fucking Rabbits got Hands bro
Watching that red dark house part made my brain giggle. Let me explain...
I have always enjoyed bullet hell games for reason, and have always been good at them. A friend brought over a game called Mushihimesama that he had been obsessed with for days. I watched him play once before he handed the controller to me, and I beat the high score that he had spent days setting. Then there was Ikaruga which I fell in love with to the point that I could eventually beat it in a total of 11 lives.
Eventually I took a test. Not some online IQ test that takes 20 minuets and tells you that you are a genius, but a timed test with more questions than there are minutes to complete the test (I think it averaged 30 seconds per question) and it mainly focused on spatial reasoning, pattern recognition, and logic. I wasn't taking this test for myself, but I was curious about my results and asked the person at the end what my score was. He said that he couldn't tell me my exact score or which answers were right or wrong, but he told me that I had the 2nd highest score he had ever seen, because one time somebody handed back both tests to him with 100% perfect scores.
This game seems to be the same shape as my brain if that makes sense. Like if this game were a puzzle box with holes my brain would fit in the Rabbit and Steel shaped hole (and the square hole obviously, because everything fits in the square hole). I was watching red dark house and feeling that with enough practice I can do this.
Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to sell my friends on a game called Rabbit and Steel about cute anime bunny girls in a punishing rogue-lite co-op bullet hell.
I am fine with everything but that *"Haha changed your location!" ALWAYS* THROWS ME OFF FROM MY TRACKS 😭😭😭
I think someone needs to introduce him to Final Fantasy 14 if he wants to experience more of this game.
Funny thing is that the dev does play FF14 and was inspired by savage raids and ultimates
Ff14 raids are a fucking joke with massive wind ups and telegraphed hit boxes and there is no heat progression
@@venumus1what is heat progression?
@@sonawhite8813 gear auto correct is stupid
@@venumus1Someone hasn't seen the absolute joke that is Mythic raids
As a FFXIV Raider this game was a must-buy and honestly it was exactly as messy and chaotic and fun as doing a new fight in XIV... definitely can recommand that game!
With shorter prog session lol
Oh so its a touhou game!
No, it's a touhou game but the bosses figured out bullets are no longer enough
@@AdamDj-ic3kr Oh so it's a Touhou game!
@@antoineguerrier2965 .....yes
That would suit its predecessor more I guess
I feel like saying it’s a touhou game sells it short… all of the different abilities and combos of loot you’re able to rack up make the game feel way different :P
As an experienced raider myself i can see one big aspect of MMO raiding thats been vastly simplified. And thats the "trying out mechanics" part of the encounter.
This game always has clear indicators of what one is supposed to do when, it even spells it out in big flashing colours what you must do exactly.
Usually MMOs do not do this. Their mechanics are sometimes quite veiled, and it is up to your team to find out exactly what to do when, memorise it and then execute on it.
Which is an interesting choice, but a welcome one. It should probably reduce the time to learn bosses from hours to days to...well, hours.
One detail I love is that each area is set up to teach you the bosses mechanics before you fight the boss. For example, the crow boss (my personal favorite) has a teleport mechanic forcing you to position yourself somewhere that will be safe for where you teleport. But you know the boss will do this because an earlier enemy you fight in the same area uses this on you in an easy to dodge pattern. They do this for nearly every single mechanic in the game. Plus, a lot of these mechanics are special to their own area and won’t appear in other areas (with some exceptions)
I think " *RED DARK* house" is meant to be dark, and red
This gives me life considering the solo dev was highly inspired by FFXIV raiding, especially older content like the E8S or Edens 8 Savage fight with Shiva. I wouldnt be surprised if there's a light's rampant mechanic snuck in there somewhere 😂
I'm told there's a Pantokrator somewhere, of all things. 😂
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They really got that toad scream after that interaction.
Fun fact, you can pet the merchant cat.
If you havent already, GTFO is an amazing 4 player multiplayer co-op game about stealthing, shooting, and dying so very many times.
if you've played FFXIV, this is basically a 2D roguelike version, very fun!
This game is 2D Final Fantasy 14 raiding, and I love it
If you want to see how insane Lunar gets one day because you're bored, if you join a Lunar mode run with 4 people already in it, you can just spectate their run. And uh. The ones I spectated went to the dragon place, which, I think, is the genuinely hardest area. And OHMYG-
I'm just putting this out here right now for anyone that just heard of the game and wants to try it I've played the game non stop from its release and sometimes with some friends for fun and I am also very experienced in bullet hell games as I've played them for almost my entire life and it took me almost my entire 150 hour playtime to be able to beat lunar difficulty solo (the one after hard mode) but don't be discouraged the game is hard but fair the mechanics are easy to learn and with some dedication I'm sure anyone can beat lunar difficulty, just be warned enemy mechanics changes dramatically when playing with more players so gl to everyone and don't forget to enjoy the game and stay calm as in the end this isn't just a bullet hell game its a rouge lite :))
What I like about this game is that if you're doing the mechanics correctly, the big walls and circles of bullets just pass you by and you're fine.
But even if you don't do them right, you can still be a bullet hell sicko (positive) and _just dodge them anyway._
Personally I recommend you and your friends to play "full metal furies" (not furrys tho). It's a fantastic game with fun mechanics and also decently hard and a puzzle game. Loved it with my friends, hope you give it a try ^^
Difficult coop:
Ravenswatch
Synthetik
GTFO
Ready or Not
Barotrauma
Other coop:
Monster Hunter (old & new)
Deep Rock Galactic
God Eater
Exoprimal
Rainbow Six (pre-siege)
Divinity
Baldur's Gate
Wasteland
The Ascent
Castle Crashers
For challenging co-op games i can recommend: Both Payday games, GTFO, Serious Sam (first and second encounter). And for 2-player co-op i can think of: N++, battleblock theater, super cyborg, and maybe synthetik: legion rising.
I never thought skooch would make a video about one of my favorite games that has come out of recent. Also hello from the 2.5% of players to clear hard.
Been grinding Lunar solo, gotten to the final boss of some of the zones a few times. If you don’t get a good item in the tutorial zone resetting is required as even with 100% uptime certain characters cannot meet the damage check.
a decently challenging co-op game is deep rock galactic (ROCK AND STONE!) there are four classes and tons of areas to explore, challenges to unlock and complete, its four player co-op where you fulfil what the company wants you to do and shoot bugs. incredibly fun
Someone had a bit of inspiration from Tohou
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Risk Of Rain 2 and Returns both work in comparison and challenge while being great Rougelikes.
DeepRock Galatic's Dwarf lifestyle as a game.
Gigantic, the Ramapage edition now adds unique enough Moba gameplay that it hopefully help cure you're trauma.
I'm sure you've heard about Helldivers 2, but I can't recommend it enough! It's a fantastic co-op game that is also very difficult, but not quite as cute as Rabbit & Steel. I guarantee that it will have you and your friends screaming in no time.
I would probably say Mini Healer is the first "MMO Raid-like", but this one certainly tops it.
Can you add some way to support the devs in the description their website or steam page etc the name isn't even in the title or description either. I know now its called rabbit and steel but I had to replay the video.
a wise touhou player once said "the prettier the pattern the more dead you are," and that still applies to this it seems. This is in no way going to become my next bullet hell addiction lol
Still havent gotten around to playing this. Loved Maiden and Spell.
Idk if skooch is gonna see this
But if you want something similar to this *terraria* with mods can provide an experience that you may be craving
Calamity infurnum + fargos souls mod is maybe something you would enjoy, based on what was in this video
You know Skooch, if you wanted you could always try final fantasy 14 for your co-op experience. Yes there is a jrpg's worth of content before the end game hard stuff, but it's a story worth enjoying, especially if you have folks to meme through it with. All of the raids are done in such a way that even the ten year old ones can still be done at roughly the difficulty they were run from, you can do 2/3rds of the game for free, including the first three raid series, and once you get to the end of that free trial, you'll have access to "ultimate" raids, what are generally considered some of the hardest, and best designed co-op experiences in gaming, with their "prog time" the amount of time spent practicing, measured in weeks and months. For what it's worth there's also no pay to win, gatcha or predatory monetization.
I don't know you at all but the fact that a big creator made a. video about this game is awesome, the more people that know about this masterpiece the better
I've legit been enjoying Rabbit and Steel recently! Favorite rabbit's for me would be Sniper rabbit (Go green hair for the full Bucky'O'Hare experience!) and Ancient rabbit, because her orange skin has a bird!
bought the game after watching like 3 mins, 10/10 played it with 4 buds from my ff14/wow raiding team. absolute class.
The hardest part of this game is to convince your friends to play with you...
And what deals the most damage is the emotional impact when they refuse
GTFO, Ready or Not, and Hell Let Loose are all fantastic shooter-esque Co-op games.
You say that Roguelike is a scary word but seeing this clusterfuck, I'm reminded of an even scarier word ; Touhou.
Rabbit and Steel needs MORE COVERAGE! It's such a fun game with friends!!
Can confirm that the entire dragon zone is harder than the actual final boss of the game
alright so where's the skooch ff14 savage raiding experience because this game on lunar is basically the same thing but in a different setting
I love you skooch. You bring me such fantastic games for my brain. Roguelike doesnt scare me, it inspires me. The genre makes failure easier to take. Even though I fail more often. Genuinely you have a knack for these kinds of videos and keeping my attention. Super adhd and easily discouraged. Gonna give this a look! And they have a DEMO?!? games with demos are automatically given big points
A lot of roguelikes a big problem though: Making you start from scratch and go through stages that aren't challenging to you anymore. It makes them addicting when you just start them, because it's fun to make a build and stuff, but that mechanic can become a hassle once you have to go to the same tutorial stage for the 100th time without any challenge just to pick up your starting build.
I may or may not have played one normal run, felt like it was too easy, then went and found a lobby of fandoms with no communication and unlocked all of the rest of the characters in two runs on hard mode.
If you want a difficult Multiplayer experience try playing Deep Rock Galactic on Hazard 5+ with all modifiers maxed out.
If that doesn’t challenge you enough add some mission hazards on top.
If all that still doesn’t suffice mod the hell out of the game until the entire screen is filled with enemies that instantly kill you.
Also the game is quite fun.
I love raiding in ffxiv. This game looks perfect for me
Dude, games that force me to trust random strangers with my life are just asking for a quick fall off
Honestly. The biggest barrier has nothing to do with it being hard. It's cause it is an enforced coop game
It's primarily popular in MMO spaces for obvious reasons
so fucking happy to see this game getting the attention it deserves
I put this game alongside "Rabbit Hole"! They are such a games to play if you wanna go bnuuy mode
You know what's crazier? Only 2 % of players TO THIS DAY have beaten the story, because it's only available in single player and it's a significant time investment.
The most common achievement for finishing the story is for the Red Darkhouse funnily enough, with 3.5% completed. The rarest is completing the entire story with Shira, at an exact 2.0%
I don't have friends. I got these achievements
If you want a fun challenge for co-op play, then I can think of a couple (though idk if you’ve already covered them before or not):
Risk of Rain Returns (Monsoon difficulty)
Risk of Rain 2 (Eclipse mode)
Deep Rock Galactic (Haz 5+, also this game has fantastic mod support)
*insert Monster Hunter game of preference here*
Overcooked 2
Doubtless there’s more, but these are the ones I’m mostly used to
coop recommendations hrm
Hammerwatch is a cooperative dungeon crawler. Crawl is a competitive dungeon crawler. Regular Human Basketball makes players work together to operate a basketball robot. Barotrauma makes players work together to operate a not-spaceship
I've done everything for achievements besides clearing lunar, 30 and 40 trickets, and master palettes. This game really hits everything for me since both FFXIV and rogue likes are some of my fav things. My only critique is I wish there was a training mode where you could bash your head into the same boss/mini boss over and over till you learn it instead of needing to do others before you get there again
This game seems like it would be a good way to train savage raiders to read and react to mechanics in other MMOs since it's laid out in a way that simplifies all the mechanics down to their basest UI without all the flashy effects and details that might overload a new player's ability to parse what's important and what isn't. It just removes all the information that isn't relevant.
Well you see the secret to hard mode is to have played WAY TOO MUCH TOUHOU! 🤣
Challenging co-op game? *Dragon: Marked For Death* A 1-4 player, side scrolling, platformer, RPG made by Inti Creates that allows you to play from 6 different characters, 4 base game and 2 DLC. A large amount of quests to choose from with a few having side quests to complete. Difficult and hard hitting bosses, that may or may not anger some. I've only played this game solo with all characters, though I still a level grind to complete to fight the even tougher version of enemies and bosses. 😅 I personally like the game, but it can be a grind plus the contact damage will have some double take what just happened.
muck on gamer mode is an interesting experience. it looks, well bad. but it's like a runescape/minecraft survival game as a rougelike. but the longer you live the harder it is, monsters evolve into powered up versions, there are elite buffed versions that can knock you stuffing inside out for next winter and there are bosses that can just spawn in if you are unlucky enough. the objective is to repair the one ship in the world and kill bob. before you can fight bob you must find and eliminate 5 guardians that hold a different colored gem stone, (guardian in fact a boss that can spawn randomly). i love the game and there are some real nifty tricks to learn to make the game easier.
I'll give you one that helps probably, don't spend your gold on chest the first 1 or 2 nights if you found a village and do NOT open the green pedestal chest, the villagers will hate you and try to kill you regardless if you helped them. also black chests are free. goodluck.
Operation tango is a fun coop game for 2 players. Highly reccomended.
It relies on players only having half the info and needing to describe things to the other player.
Finally. We reached the pinnacle of Dark Souls.
Yes I'm late... But at 15:48 if you didn't know you can change the attack color in the settings. It helped me a bunch to understand certain attack because I just couldn't see them.
Mate I am amazed you managed to sell me on a game that short circuited all motor skills just from watching clips of it, good video.
from ur ask at the end, I've played a lot of Vagante with a friend. Definitely way slower of a roguelike than this and probably leans more to the frustrating part of difficult, but somethin keeps pulling me back into it.
Also Duelists of Eden came out a couple months ago and the original game was always too fast for my brain but a deckbuilding mega man battle network type fighting game is sick as hell and closer to Rabbit & Steel's speed (also same composer as this game) o7
Vagante is great, but really need some checkpoint system. I think there might be one in the mods section but I haven't look into it. It actually made me stop playing it without mastering all the stages and bosses, just because it's so frustrating to go through the first 6 stages every single time just to get to the parts that are actually challenging. The game also incentivizes lots of scavenge hunting around every stage for loot and gear, which makes the lack of checkpoints even worse.
I know this is a month back but Chained Together has been kicking off recently where you and 1-3+ friends have to escape hell "getting over it" style
If you want a difficult title to play, I highly recommend GTFO. Its very different to this kind of game but me and my group LOVE that game. its so fun to play tactically and the visuals/audio are soooooooo good.
It's great for getting your friends into raiding gameplay without a prerequisite 60-hour MMO grind
19:43 visual clarity, is a thing that fundementally cannot be treated as a skill issue, as it's like a superficial form of difficulty, it isn't testing you on the mechanics you've learned it merely ruins them and makes them annoying to achieve.
Zesty Jesus makes an amazing video on the well crafted design of TF2 being gutted:th-cam.com/video/8RAF-55O2-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iYRHyf8g3qzQriTl
But basically it's important for your players to get what they're working with and forcing them struggle through bad design doesn't actually test anything it just blinds their eyes so they can't interact, in that video the visual design of Team reconigition got so gutted that a Pyro skin makes it basically impossible to tell who team it's on, resulting in a class not balanced around stealh to be stealthy.
Which isn't a test of the players because nothing in game really used or tested you on that, that is a bad design dicesion making the game uncecarrly annoying to play instead of a insterting way to interact compared to like Spy who actually works around it and balances himself around it.
Basically the game needs to change it up it's visiual design, I would also say their character design aswell, it isn't intersting playing the same generically looking bunny girl over and over because the creator didn't think about character sillouates, having it's characters lose alot of their pointential by limiting them all to gacha designs, AKA oversaturation AKA every terrible gacha game(though I would say all of them are due to fundemetnally being Badly designed but these are worse).
TbSkyen's video on soulfoul design: th-cam.com/users/shortsKzS_7THp14c?feature=share
Theres a market for raid mechanic-lite games
Death road to Canada is the most fun Co-op game I've played in a long time
0:35 seconds into this video this looks like if you mixed touhou with just shapes and beats
I... didn't realize that this game has multi-player until you referenced it... I think that solidifies buying it for me.
dev has ackowledged that there's definitely some work that can go into the visual language of the game
But there's also some mmo veteran simplification that is intended, you see rotating aoes on the red darkhouse boss, I see aoes that hit half the room. Translating down mechanics into a simpler form of them depending on the context is a big mmo skill and is what makes red darkhouse challenging aside from shit visuals at times
Also yes, modded bosses is in works
Warhammer Vermintide 1 and 2
Cataclysm difficulties and weaves are ROUGH without 4 players, good builds and GREAT communication
No no no, the most annoying part about Ranalie is NOT her actual mechanics, the dodging itself can be managed so long as you know what you're doing. The most annoying part is how she just fucking LEAVES, meaning you CAN'T HIT HER until she decides to come back in and set up her next death trap and then she leaves again. It pads out the fight by her just being untargetable for like half the time in her 2nd phase.
SKOOCH PLAYING RABBIT AND STEEL?!