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- The ATF is now requiring anyone selling firearms commercially to register and do background checks. The rule covers gun shows, online sales, and brick and mortar sales.
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Every time I bought a gun I had to take a background check even at gun shows lol
Next they will be telling people they need a license to sell drugs to stop narcotic sales.
oh wait...
Heroin isn't an enumerated right in the Bill of Rights. That being said, private heroin sales typically don't go through a background check.
To be intellectualy consistent, I would also question the FDA's broad authority to regulate the private sales of raw milk.
The real question is, should bureaus have the authority to selectivly amend a law to suit a political purpose. I understand that this rule change may align with your politics, but the ATF doesn't write law. The executive branch shouldn't have the power of reinterpretation for political whims. If the Biden government wants to limit private sales, then Congress needs to pass a law to do so.
@@sifakalemur4162 my comment went over your head huh?
@@rha600 so when I respond with "private heroin sales don't go through a background check" you're first inclination is that I didn't get the joke... It was a continuation of the exact same premise.
@@sifakalemur4162 it was the rest of your rambling.
@@rha600 ahh, so you did notice I too like humor jokes...
It all started back in the summer if 1993. i was on a field trip to Epcot center. People those days didn't much care for smart phones, because they hadn't been invented.
there is no “ gun show loophole”. all licensed dealers at a gun show have always been required to run a background check. The “ loophole “ they are referring to is that in some states, like mine, a private individual is legally allowed to sell a firearm privately to another private citizen provided they meet certain requirements.
At no time could you legally purchase a firearm online and have it sent directly to you unless you are licensed. an online sale goes like this, you buy the firearm. that seller must ship to your local ffl dealer where you must either pass a background check or present your valid concealed carry permit, depending on your state, after that you can take possession. now this applies to legal sales. none of this new rule will stop illegal sales, because it criminalizes what was already illegal.
You are right about the "gun show loop hole".
But this new rule is so much more. It actually criminalizes just about every private firearms sale between private citizens if the BATF chooses to see it that way....and it allows for this to occur in civil court where you are not innocent until proven guilty.
About half the dealers in Indiana shows are individuals that are running there own private business. It's there private collection they are selling. wink wink.
are those "Private individuals" allowed to sell guns at gun shows without a license?
@@sabinoluevano7447 yes according to the rule in place at the time. Federal and state (nc) law allow it. I mean obviously if someone is buying guns just to resell for a living then that has always required an ffl but to sell your privately owned firearms has always been legal as long as you follow the rules which here in NC state that for a long gun you must make sure the buyer is of legal age and a resident of the state and reasonably believe that person is not a felon.no paperwork needed but advised to take a copy of their drivers license. for handgun it requires you to make sure of the above and that the buyer has a valid concealed carry permit or perchase permit (which was eliminated recently).
This isn't a new law, it's a rule change. How that works is beyond me, as it seems redefining operative terms like "dealer" invalidates the purpose of a law's initial intent.
When congress passes a law, who it effects shouldn't be up to presidential or departmental discretion.
The Brady act defines dealers as such.
"The term “dealer” means (A) any person engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail, (B) any person engaged in the business of repairing firearms or of making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms, or (C) any person who is a pawnbroker. The term “licensed dealer” means any dealer who is licensed under the provisions of this chapter."
Having a garage sale doesn't make you a momentary retailer. Changing the law by a "rule change" via Chevron deference gives broad authority to a bureau to expand the purview of any given law beyond it's tailored limitations laid out by Congress.
The exemptions laid out in the Brady act were negotiated specifically so private citizens were not defined as dealers.
The cavalier hubtis of appointed officals to readily ignore the law as written, and declare that the objective standard of the law is no obstacle in expansion of regulatory powers granted to themselves is beyond contempt.
The whole reason a proposed bill is subjeted to such rigorous scrutiny and re-writes is to set a clear standard. If the law is subject to Capricious interpretation, then we lose faith in fairness of a government.
Great post. DemocRATS have secret agendas in disguise.
Nothing like making laws that are already in place...
Yeah, it's just like Joe Biden's bill that he wants to pass. It is about legalizing voting.
What needs to be legalized when every legal American citizen already has the right to vote quaranteed by the Constitution. Why do we need a bill to legalize it.
do u get a big hard on when u shoot a gun?
This is not changing the law- It is defining in more detail who would need to register as a gun dealer.
@@elmosweed4985 yup, more control. Feel the freedom!
@@LotsaThingsNstuff How in the FK does doing a back ground check take away any of your freedoms.
This change makes sure the Felon that lives next to you does not buy a semi auto weapon at a gun show from a "private seller."
How horrible, all the freedoms taken away from you by trying to stop the idiot that lives next to you from owning a gun.
He should have been interviewed by someone actually familiar with The Gun Control Act of 1968, so he could have another chance to answer the questions that refused to answer, under oath in front of Congress!
We need colion noir on this case
The ATF SHOULD BE DISBANDED,
The right to keep and own guns shall not be infringed....
FELONS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OWN FIREARMS, THEIR OWN FAULT
It's the right to BUY, not keep or own. You really want nut-jobs to freely buy guns?
Who says it will?
Every gun sale needs a background check. And certain people shouldn’t have them.
it also says "regulated" in the constitution... and that's why there are amendments, to adapt to the new era
@@sabinoluevano7447you literally have no understanding of the 2nd Amendment or American hystory on why the 2nd Amendment exists.
Against the LAW for NCIC to keep background checks. Dettlebach is a liar
At least they put "gun show loophole" in quotes, showing that it's not a thing that actually exists.
Secret service digging through school dumpsters to retrieve Hunters felony purchased guns ... could not be reached for comment..
DESPERATION. HE OWNED ONE GUN FOR NINE DAYS
@@drumtwo4sevenand how many was he allowed to own? And for how long?
@@drumtwo4sevenexactly LOL..
@@sandler800LoL.. Thx... you ran him off...
the gangs in america are all applying for an FFL as we speak, this "rule" is not a law but nevertheless it will give ATF more power to "enforce " this rule like a law.scutlebutt is lying.
No more "private collection" sales. If you read the text of the bill, it's illegal to sell a gun person to person.
Great news.
I read the rule it says for predominantly for profit how do they know I made a profit I could have lost money if I buy a gun for 400 and sold it for 300 also you can gift a gun to someone also if they bust you usually you will get a cease and desist letter for first offense FJB
@@jamesheath5825 receipts
@@jamesheath5825 If The Man starts stickin' his beak into your business and asking questions, tell the M.F. to talk to your lawyer.
@@BornAgainCynic0086you should move from the USA...don't need willing slaves here.
Just another pretext for Brandon's goons to unalive you in a predawn no knock raid or railroad you in the courts.
You know how to avoid all that?
Don't deal guns illegally. It's a proven strategy used by dozens of millions of people ever year.
CHUMP LOVES THE UNEDUCATED
firearms are an american right, i don't understand why this guy thinks he can stop us.
FELONS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OWN FIREARMS, THEIR OWN FAULT... CHUMP LOVES THE UNEDUCATED
Why would he want to stop you? And why are you making this about you?
@@Underdog271 your mom left her socks at my house again.
@@TeamAemrica she said they wasn’t hers. Ask your boyfriend 🤣🤣🤣
@@Underdog271because it's about us and our rights, Skippy
When was the last time a democrat lawmaker attended a gun show?
WHO CARES
@@drumtwo4sevenfound one
100% goes against the second anendment
Bull💩
The red states not gon follow that rule 😂
There’s no such thing as gun show loopholes !!
Every firearm sold in shows you do background checks !!!!
Not if it's a private sale
So he is saying the current background checks required actually works. So there is no need for a change in background checks or “sensible” gun reform.
I have been to a lot of gun shows and shops. Never seen 1 gang banger stocking "their arsenal."
They are censoring all the comments.
ikr
Yeppers, all the time.
Theres no “loophole” to close
I am sounding like a parrot.
The "loophole" is private citizen being allowed to sell firearms at gun shows.
Democrats are defining who is required to register as a dealer.
@@elmosweed4985 a private citizen can sell there personal property whether it is at a car-swap, a church social, a garage sale, a tupperware party, or a gun show that they might be attending. All this new rule will do is create more opportunities for grey within the law and jeopardize more peoples' lives financially and physically.
@@elmosweed4985 huh maybe a private seller can exchange that item for monetary gain....outside of a gun show
Fake news
I don't see anything in the text history and tradition of the second ammendment that says backround checks are required. If this goes to scotus they may loose backround checks all together.
I doubt that.
Who would want felons with violent histories owning them? Isn’t that already on the books?
“Shall not be infringed “. Don’t expect a democrat to support the Constitution.
How is running a background check and making sure you can legally own a gun infringe on your gun rights exactly ?
@@elmosweed4985 you mean that thing that already happens at gun shows between a buyer and an ffl
@@Castigar48 A private citizen is allowed to sell guns at some gun shows- They are not required to run a background check. - This is not that hard to follow
@elmosweed4985 as it should be. Hopefully they weren't smart enough to realize that fact in this rule
@@elmosweed4985infring means to hinder
News flash… there is NO gun show loophole 😂😂 this is just another Biden distraction from his complete failure as a president 😂😂
Currently in some States like mine, a private citizen can sell a gun at a gun show.
That person is NOT required by law to run a background check on the person they are selling to.
@@elmosweed4985 as it should be!
@@edwardl.990 What I described is " the gun show loophole " you say we do not have.
@@elmosweed4985 no, you are describing a private sale between 2 parties that happen to be attending a gun show.
@@RenaissanceThinking Bingo- You win a prize-
Democrats are saying thousands of people are claiming the guns they are selling at gun shows are part of a private collection so therefore they do not need to run background checks.
These people are not doing what all the licensed dealers are doing correctly.
Democrats wish to clarify who should by law run a background check on the person buying the gun from them.
This takes away ZERO of your freedom to buy or sell a gun.
shall not be infringed
AND ISN'T. SEXUAL ASSAULT A PERSONS BODY SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED BUT CHUMP DIDN'T CARE AND WAS FOUND GUILTY BY A TWELVE PERSON JURY
@@drumtwo4seven
I want whatever you're smoking
It’s not going to change bad people from getting guns.
How do you know?
@@Underdog271 bc bad guys dont get guns from gun shows bc background checks happen
@@Castigar48 if back ground checks happen then there’s nothing for republicans and 2A advocates to complain about. So where do they get guns from?
There has never been a gun show loop hole, and not a single mass shooting has taken place with a firearm purchased from a gun show.
In many States including mine, a private citizen can sell a gun at gun shows.
Unless the person running the show bans it ( have never seen that )
@@elmosweed4985again regardless selling to a prohibited person is illegal
@@riclate2013
And how is a private seller supposed to know if they're selling to a prohibited person or not?
@@Pk-io6xe you can run an ncis background check there are services that offer such information. They often use records from the buyers ID and request information from law enforcement agencies
What effect will this have on people with family heirlooms who wish to bequeath them when the family owner passes away?
There is no loophole
And you’re an A**hole
There is now.
I don't know what gun show loophole they're talking about because I've been to gun shows from Texas to Colorado toTennessee to California and Florida and everyone has required a background check.
So I don't know what the hell loophole you're talking about, probably just making it up.
The "gun show loop hole" is what allows a person to purchase a firearm at a gun show with zero background check needed.
The only way to achieve that is buying the gun from a private seller at these gun shows.
In some States such as mine, a person that does not make a living off selling guns can sell guns at gun shows.
Democrats are trying to give more detailed lines on who would be considered a Private seller and not needing to run the background check and who would be required.
@@elmosweed4985 selling a gun to a felon...is already a felony
@@Castigar48 As a private citizen that does not make money off selling guns, you are not required by law to run a background check on a person if you sell a gun to them at a gun show.
@@elmosweed4985 ah i see so just tell the atf you gave one away. thats really smart
@@elmosweed4985yet majority of people do and regardless, selling to a prohibited person is still a felony. These laws do nothing
The ATF needs to get on the streets and along the border and get the illegal guns that are coming into the United States don't worry about the gun shows and legal guns. Stop infringing on our second amendment.
How about the guns that are bought legally by US citizens and are being sold across the Mexican border to the cartels? For some reason all of you gun nuts never talk about that. Mexico only has one gun store and only allows a handful of gun permits a year. The cartels get their guns elsewhere including US citizens. How does the ATF know that, by tracing the serial numbers on the guns that are seized from the cartels. And a lot of these guns are traced back to US citizens who bought them legally. Why do guns nuts always try to hide behind the 2nd amendment? So where does it say in the 2nd amendment that gun owners have the right to shoot and kill innocent people in public? So much for your point.
A background check is not infringing on your gun rights.
It does not take a single gun away from you and does not prevent you from buying any.
Unless you cannot pass one.
@@elmosweed4985infringe means to hinder
There is no “loop hole”… stop with the bullshit
A private citizen can sell a firearm in my State at Gun Shows.
As a private citizen not making money off selling guns they are not required by law to run a background check.
That is what Democrats call the gun show loophole
@@elmosweed4985 right but that doesn’t have anything to do with the gun shows…
@@zer-kz8mb So a law clarifying who must run a background check at a gun show has nothing to do with gun shows ?
@@elmosweed4985 stop being obtuse. You know damn well private sales don’t need a gun show to happen. They are attacking gun shows because they think there is a magical loop hole that was already set in place.
@@zer-kz8mbhow are they attacking gun shows exactly?
How bout instead of banning guns, you actually teach everyone firearm safety and how NOT to be an idiot
NOTHING IS BEING BANNED. THIS MAKES BACKGROUND CHECKS MANDATORY
@@drumtwo4seven
You know gun confiscation is the goal though, right?
Making a person do a background check is not banning guns for fk sakes.
@@drumtwo4seven ...background checks are already mandatory and you left caps lock on
@@Castigar48
Not for private sales
Won’t stop a thing good luck with that too many private sights and private invite parties
Meh...not going to comply. I'm a free American. 🖕🏻
This isn’t legal
That's already the law.
This is defining who would be considered a dealer/private seller
Ummm THAT IS ALREADY A LAW ...
Personally I am more concerned by more realistic things like the number of guns illegally sold by Dragons and Unicorns.
Only the rich and powerful should be allowed to own firearms.
Awe……more rules. None of which will help stop gun violence. Isn’t that cute.
This will never stop the black market.
This basically does nothing...
Deport all illegal guns!!!
1:32 the black market... This guy's talking about a whole lot of nothing
Repeal and Replace the Second Amendment!
Shall not be infringed. Come and take it tough guy.😂
@@Mickey-hz3cn Lol, you're only tough with a gun aren't you?
You're certainly welcome to press lawmakers for a constitutional amendment. You require 38 states to ratify an amendment to the constitution.
@@RicePho awe the great equalizer gun ownership Proves my point again. You only want to disarm people so you can dominate them. Get in line jack boot. Lol 😆.
@@RicePhoYes, that's how politics work. Violence or the threat of violence
Is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. To exercise political authority there is inherently a threat that non-compliance will be met with force.
Ban guns now
just leave America please
I know such thing as a loophole and gun shows you ain’t buying a gun without a background check
In some States a private dealer is allowed to sell guns a gun shows.
That is what the Democrats are trying to define.
Who is considered a private gun seller and who is a dealer requiring a background check.