The only actually good video essayist on youtube! I can't help but see this as a meditation on the clash between enlightnment and the unkown in a kinda weird historical period. Watching these characters very honestly struggle with their scientific and rational ambitions in the face of the unreconcilable and evil was way more interesting than Orlok tbh. Eggers movies always make me feel like we're all just on an infinite path to modernity that we will never reach the end of. Good stuff
good point. it is easy to read into the film the societal anxieties of today, where enlightened progressivism is under threat from older, more destructive instincts.
@@jfrsnjhnsn And now we have an equally good one. The original is still insurpassable.Herzog's is an original and intriguing reinterpretation, and Eggers uses one of the oldest cinema staples to harken back to romanticism and its concept of horror. Why must we pit versions against each other, when all are made by geniuses so many years apart?
I don't think the idea of elevated horror was ever really that horror never was "elevated" or nuanced. Anyone with a love for horror I think would agree that there are dozens upon dozens of examples off "elevated horror" throughout storytelling history. However, I think the term "elevated horror" was coined more or less to label a sort of renaissance that the genre has had in the past decade or so. I don't think it's wrong to say that for a decent amount of time horror had become the joke of the industry. Primarily the 2000s and early 2010s. Endless Paranormal Activity, Saw, awful sequels and remakes of classics (Texas Chainsaw, Friday the 13th, Nightmare On Elm Street) and an infinite amount of forgettable slashers, haunting, and torture movies. Yes, there were exceptions in that timeframe, and yes, those have their place in the genre, and of course make the genre as fun and creative as it is. it would also be ignorant and senseless though to say that there is no difference between that era of horror, and the era of horror we're in now.
I think you’re absolutely correct. As someone in their 20s making their way through older films it is clear that the mainstream horror movies of the 2000s and 2010s have really changed the parameters of what is expected by a general audience in horror films (generally a reliance on jump scares or gratuitous gore, neither of which I have a huge problem with in moderation) and a lot of what is considered ‘elevated horror’ really just feels like an attempt to create horror films that return us to the the days where franchise horror and truly thought-provoking and psychologically scary horror films could both coexist.
@@Advent3546it was meh and at least half the audience in my screening agreed. By the last third everyone was yawning and not because of the run time I think
I just finished watching nosferatu by Robert’s Eggers and it was juts mindblowing and dark in many ways , shape and form . The entrence of count orlok it was speechless I was breathtaking the whole movie . I almost feel I was gonna have a heart attack or a panic attack the cinematography and the atmosphere is beautiful grotesque . This new version of count orlok is egregiously beautiful, is like literary a living corpse lurking in the shadow , watching nosferatu was watching your worst nightmare come true : by far the best version of nosferatu and well nailed it . 10/10
While I agree about the build up and introduction of Orlok, did you find that his presence did not maintain that same sense of dread and terror as the film went on. I feel that as he was exposed more and more, the more I felt myself being underwhelmed by his presence.
This is an interesting take, honestly i didnt see ellen wanting orlock personally, it seemed more like she was under his spell and when she had agency she did not want him until she was forced fo sacrifice herself - the last scene read to me more like a rape scene and it made me feel very uncomfortable how it was presented as a positive thing. To me they tried to make Ellen matter by giving her this backstory with Orlock and then all that she was worth for was her body - the sexual side of this did not exist this explicitly in the original and thats why it jumped out at me this much. In the year 2024 we still feel the need to make a movie where a woman's rape is apparently what saves the world, it made me feel sick. Maybe I'm being dramatic about it but this is how the film read to me on the first watch.
I think you're spot on. I felt immensely disappointed with Nosferatu in the same way I did with The Green Knight. I knew nothing going into either, saw what was going on in the first 20 minutes, and spent the next 2 hours feeling like I got suckered out of my time and money. They gesture at high minded themes, but, to me, it came off as boring fatalism and romanticized toxic social artifacts as they're both about a self-sacrifice from opposite ends of the binary
@@LiftedBlader you're missing the deeper subtext. This is a story about childhood abuse, Ellen is a victim of Nosferatu from a very young age, she tries to seek help from those closest to her, but they don't see that what she is experiencing is real, and they never truly listen to her until it's already too late. She displays her trauma in ways that are unpleasant to those around her, and even though they want to try and comfort her without acknowledging the uncomfortable reality of what's happening, they shame her and use harsh methods to make her "manageable". the final scene is absolutely meant to be read as a rape scene, and it isn't supposed to be heroic or happy. The only solace is that she got to take her abuser down with her, it's not heroic, just tradgic
RE: The reason for the changing of character names and locations. I think David J. Skal's research stands, and it holds that the changes were to avoid copyright issues. At the time, the laws regarding copyrights between novels and films, was a bit vague and the producers of this film thought that these changes would make them safe from suit (they were wrong). Lastly, as Prana-Film, the company created by Albin Grau and Enrico Dieckmann, was a fledgling affair (Nosferatu was their first, and as fate would have it, only film). Given the notes left by Murnau himself, and even the sketches he made, we should NOT think of the Prana-Film company as a well financed venture (as suggested in the film 'Shadow of the Vampire" starring John Malkovich as F.W. Murnau) but rather a loose band of independent filmmakers off on their first cinematic effort. As such, I seriously DOUBT that Prana-Film had the wherewithal to conduct such a marketing study.
I disagree with you on so many levels. I feel like History Buff & American Born Eggers copy-pasted what worked about the Witch and hoped they would translate equally as well onto a film he was entirely out of his depth on. Eggers does not intrinsically understand the prolonged dread of Plague ridden European city sides. He doesn’t share Herzog’s heartbreaking perspective as a young man idolising the beginnings of German Expressionism while suffering the shame of a post-WW2, post-Nazi Regime, Germany. Certainly, Eggers is not a woman balancing the tantalising mix of sensuality and repression we’ve come to associate vampires with today. He borrows from these perspectives, mashes them together, but fails to understand the authenticity behind them. He fails a balancing act of preserving the ideologies of the source material, and imparting a fresh perspective as the auteur. There is nothing new here, except a moustache and Depp’s on screen recreation of an orgasm. The sexualisation lacks any desire or eroticism. It’s all aggression without fear and false promises of a better movie. That being said, I have no clue why your comment section is so vicious. I appreciate your perspective and usually agree with you. I like hearing somebody take film seriously.
you have the kindest dark brown eyes, i think id listen to quite literally anything you have to say. agh. wish there were less film bros and more people like you in nyc
ooooh, so tell me you're a lil instagram film bro without telling me youre a lil instagram film bro. Ick.... this review was worst than the new nosferatu movie.
It's like Eggers grab the 100 year old masterpiece by Murnau, put it thru' ChatGPT and wrote the prompt "make it like TWILIGHT but darker, shittier, artsy fartsy and f*ck up the ending so it's look like a fever nightmare from a modern western woman", lmfao. I'll stay with the original.
Just because you cant understand, doesnt mean its artsy fartsy. Eggers brings to the surface allegories and subjacent themes that were already present in the original novel.
Mate. You've been posting the exact same under every Nosferatu video.And the worst thing is that you're objectively wrong. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.
You skipped the AppleTV version starring Doug Jones that came out back in October that was in the works for many years too but well before this version.
I liked him a lot years ago, but he lost me with his bad takes on Stranger Things. He's just trying to be contrarian for the sake of it, which always sucks
You are brilliant. I look forward to you divorcing yourself from the norms and moralisms of the time and place you happened to be born into. Imagine what you could do then?
@@kentjensen4504 not quite. the smug approach he takes to reviewing these days suggests a lack of self-questioning in my opinion....he never seems to ask himself is he projecting or being overly cynical
I enjoy your content Hope you’re all doing well and having a nice week I was just wondering if you available for a 15 minute conversational interview in the near future to ask some questions about you and the direction that your overall content is going in the future Sincerely Yusaf
My plastic golden pothos from Target is suffering the same immortal existence as Orlok himself, the difference being its complete ambivalence to sunlight
The only actually good video essayist on youtube!
I can't help but see this as a meditation on the clash between enlightnment and the unkown in a kinda weird historical period. Watching these characters very honestly struggle with their scientific and rational ambitions in the face of the unreconcilable and evil was way more interesting than Orlok tbh. Eggers movies always make me feel like we're all just on an infinite path to modernity that we will never reach the end of.
Good stuff
good point. it is easy to read into the film the societal anxieties of today, where enlightened progressivism is under threat from older, more destructive instincts.
Yes we do still need Nosferatu
Why? We have so many far better versions
@ there’s 2. One is 103 years old. One is 46 years old. Most people don’t know the 46 year old one exist.
@@jfrsnjhnsn And now we have an equally good one. The original is still insurpassable.Herzog's is an original and intriguing reinterpretation, and Eggers uses one of the oldest cinema staples to harken back to romanticism and its concept of horror. Why must we pit versions against each other, when all are made by geniuses so many years apart?
Unfortunately
I dont
I don't think the idea of elevated horror was ever really that horror never was "elevated" or nuanced. Anyone with a love for horror I think would agree that there are dozens upon dozens of examples off "elevated horror" throughout storytelling history. However, I think the term "elevated horror" was coined more or less to label a sort of renaissance that the genre has had in the past decade or so. I don't think it's wrong to say that for a decent amount of time horror had become the joke of the industry. Primarily the 2000s and early 2010s. Endless Paranormal Activity, Saw, awful sequels and remakes of classics (Texas Chainsaw, Friday the 13th, Nightmare On Elm Street) and an infinite amount of forgettable slashers, haunting, and torture movies. Yes, there were exceptions in that timeframe, and yes, those have their place in the genre, and of course make the genre as fun and creative as it is. it would also be ignorant and senseless though to say that there is no difference between that era of horror, and the era of horror we're in now.
I think you’re absolutely correct. As someone in their 20s making their way through older films it is clear that the mainstream horror movies of the 2000s and 2010s have really changed the parameters of what is expected by a general audience in horror films (generally a reliance on jump scares or gratuitous gore, neither of which I have a huge problem with in moderation) and a lot of what is considered ‘elevated horror’ really just feels like an attempt to create horror films that return us to the the days where franchise horror and truly thought-provoking and psychologically scary horror films could both coexist.
All modern horror sucks including "elevated horror" films
@ I disagree
2000s horror is far better than anything since lol. Your examples are stupid and generalized AS FUCK.
6:26 Robert Eggman's Nosferatu
The only downside to that fantastic film coming out is all the obnoxious basement dweller commentary that nobody asked for and don't need
I quite literally walked out of Nosferatu and saw this notification pop up.
Did you walk out because you disliked it? Or because the film ended?
Same
@@wonderfulkitty Cause it ended. The movie was awesome
@@Advent3546it was meh and at least half the audience in my screening agreed. By the last third everyone was yawning and not because of the run time I think
Good choice....I possibky would have done the same if I wasnt there with someone
What we need, culturally, is NOS4A2 from the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command tv series
Good episode! Fun show!
Nos4a2 is an actual show. Its a pretty good show that was sadly canceled.
the way I just pulled out my phone to silence it at Nosefeatu
Just left Nosferatu and I must say… I needed that
Herzogs Version is way more entertaining than this
Better question is DOES ANYONE NEED TAYLOR J. WILLIAMS?
I kinda disagree - I prefer the Ellen in Herzog’s version who actually has agency
Why so much hate for The Menu????
‘Cause it’s boring
Because it's just trying to shock you the meaning isn't that deep that movie was stupid
He didn’t understand the movie
@@dawsonlucas369 Translation: It was about you, and you feel personally attacked.
I left the movie loving it. I came here to watch some analyses and this, by far, is the most well thought out and pertinent.
we actually don't need any movies or art to answer the title
They’re just an ice cream sundae. An offering.
Yes, we do.
It's a stupid question
we do
Do we need Taylor J. Williams???
nah. (lip smack)
😂😂
I just finished watching nosferatu by Robert’s Eggers and it was juts mindblowing and dark in many ways , shape and form . The entrence of count orlok it was speechless I was breathtaking the whole movie . I almost feel I was gonna have a heart attack or a panic attack the cinematography and the atmosphere is beautiful grotesque . This new version of count orlok is egregiously beautiful, is like literary a living corpse lurking in the shadow , watching nosferatu was watching your worst nightmare come true : by far the best version of nosferatu and well nailed it . 10/10
Well said , Most definitely looking forward to seeing it now
While I agree about the build up and introduction of Orlok, did you find that his presence did not maintain that same sense of dread and terror as the film went on. I feel that as he was exposed more and more, the more I felt myself being underwhelmed by his presence.
This is an interesting take, honestly i didnt see ellen wanting orlock personally, it seemed more like she was under his spell and when she had agency she did not want him until she was forced fo sacrifice herself - the last scene read to me more like a rape scene and it made me feel very uncomfortable how it was presented as a positive thing. To me they tried to make Ellen matter by giving her this backstory with Orlock and then all that she was worth for was her body - the sexual side of this did not exist this explicitly in the original and thats why it jumped out at me this much. In the year 2024 we still feel the need to make a movie where a woman's rape is apparently what saves the world, it made me feel sick. Maybe I'm being dramatic about it but this is how the film read to me on the first watch.
I think you're spot on. I felt immensely disappointed with Nosferatu in the same way I did with The Green Knight. I knew nothing going into either, saw what was going on in the first 20 minutes, and spent the next 2 hours feeling like I got suckered out of my time and money. They gesture at high minded themes, but, to me, it came off as boring fatalism and romanticized toxic social artifacts as they're both about a self-sacrifice from opposite ends of the binary
@@LiftedBlader you're missing the deeper subtext. This is a story about childhood abuse, Ellen is a victim of Nosferatu from a very young age, she tries to seek help from those closest to her, but they don't see that what she is experiencing is real, and they never truly listen to her until it's already too late. She displays her trauma in ways that are unpleasant to those around her, and even though they want to try and comfort her without acknowledging the uncomfortable reality of what's happening, they shame her and use harsh methods to make her "manageable". the final scene is absolutely meant to be read as a rape scene, and it isn't supposed to be heroic or happy. The only solace is that she got to take her abuser down with her, it's not heroic, just tradgic
Nosferatu is definitely my favorite Robert Eggers film
Really? It’s my least favorite eggars film.
I literally said 'that was my least favorite Eggers film' while I was walking out of the theater (I haven't seen The Northman)
Me in the theater 10 mins before it starts
I love Nosferatu, but I will disagree with Robert Eggers, and say The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari invented horror movies. I enjoyed this take thank you!
Loved this analysis, thank you for always being so thorough!
Eggers’ Nosferatu as a Scott Pilgrim-like was not on my 2024 Bingo Card
10:56 roasting Kraven was cold 😅😂
All this guy does is make bait titles
So much bait I thought I was in a damn tackle shop
I feel like he spends so much time with fast-talking word salad, he's hoping it all sounds more intelligent than it actually is...
Welcome to every TH-cam video essay ever
Can you imagine what this guy could achieve if he was as clever as he thinks he is?
Video title reminds me of Quentin “i’ve outgrown Truffaut” Tarantino lmao
I'm shocked that even the most hardcore vampire freaks haven't done a video on the original vampire literature yet 🥱
Fun fact the original film makers were very heavily into the occult.
Someone needs to make a horror or dark comedy with the A Taylor-J’s fr
1.Murnau
2. Herzog
3. Eggers
This movie was underwhelming for me, I think because it needed a different female lead
Agreed
My friend, just use the simpler words. Using words like goliathan doesn't make you sound smart. It makes you sound insecure.
Especially when he can't pronounce Lugosi. 🤣
Golitathan isn't a big word😭
This is a video ESSAY. Written as an ESSAY. Why does everything need to be dumbed down?
Also, Aaron Taylor Johnson is so godamn hot!!
navigating his plague rodden ship into the harbor 😮
The Menu was awesome. How dare...
Lol
17:20 What is he guilty of? Making a film? A pensive, horrifying film?
RE: The reason for the changing of character names and locations. I think David J. Skal's research stands, and it holds that the changes were to avoid copyright issues. At the time, the laws regarding copyrights between novels and films, was a bit vague and the producers of this film thought that these changes would make them safe from suit (they were wrong). Lastly, as Prana-Film, the company created by Albin Grau and Enrico Dieckmann, was a fledgling affair (Nosferatu was their first, and as fate would have it, only film). Given the notes left by Murnau himself, and even the sketches he made, we should NOT think of the Prana-Film company as a well financed venture (as suggested in the film 'Shadow of the Vampire" starring John Malkovich as F.W. Murnau) but rather a loose band of independent filmmakers off on their first cinematic effort. As such, I seriously DOUBT that Prana-Film had the wherewithal to conduct such a marketing study.
Nosferatu 2024 and *Babygirl*
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures
Eggers’ Nosferatu is redundant in every way to much better movies.
Skarsgord and eggmans nosferatu 😂
Good treatment. Great script A++
This guy quite literally cannot pronounce a single word correctly
Hoult was also solid in the Order this year
You are half full of shit, but it's mesmerizing shit, and so I'll immediately click on your video when they are released
What are you talking about? Egger's muse is Willem Dafoe!
AND we could have had a VVitch reunion :(
Yeah man, this movie was a fucking blast
I disagree with you on so many levels.
I feel like History Buff & American Born Eggers copy-pasted what worked about the Witch and hoped they would translate equally as well onto a film he was entirely out of his depth on. Eggers does not intrinsically understand the prolonged dread of Plague ridden European city sides. He doesn’t share Herzog’s heartbreaking perspective as a young man idolising the beginnings of German Expressionism while suffering the shame of a post-WW2, post-Nazi Regime, Germany. Certainly, Eggers is not a woman balancing the tantalising mix of sensuality and repression we’ve come to associate vampires with today. He borrows from these perspectives, mashes them together, but fails to understand the authenticity behind them. He fails a balancing act of preserving the ideologies of the source material, and imparting a fresh perspective as the auteur. There is nothing new here, except a moustache and Depp’s on screen recreation of an orgasm. The sexualisation lacks any desire or eroticism. It’s all aggression without fear and false promises of a better movie.
That being said, I have no clue why your comment section is so vicious. I appreciate your perspective and usually agree with you. I like hearing somebody take film seriously.
Wow, surprise The Menu stray….
Yes, the answer is yes.
Are you gonna make a video on Queer?
Holy crap Skarsgard was terrifying in this
You should ask that about your channel
you have the kindest dark brown eyes, i think id listen to quite literally anything you have to say. agh. wish there were less film bros and more people like you in nyc
my gf literally walked by and said "Ooh, who is that!" Guess I'm trimming the beard down to scruff.
comment from Taylor's mom?
To answer your thumbnail, it's neither.
It's just a waste.
moustache
ooooh, so tell me you're a lil instagram film bro without telling me youre a lil instagram film bro. Ick.... this review was worst than the new nosferatu movie.
I don't think I've heard such pretentious, monotonal, fast-talking word salad in my entire life...
I don’t think you actually know what word salad is
It's like Eggers grab the 100 year old masterpiece by Murnau, put it thru' ChatGPT and wrote the prompt "make it like TWILIGHT but darker, shittier, artsy fartsy and f*ck up the ending so it's look like a fever nightmare from a modern western woman", lmfao. I'll stay with the original.
Just because you cant understand, doesnt mean its artsy fartsy. Eggers brings to the surface allegories and subjacent themes that were already present in the original novel.
Mate. You've been posting the exact same under every Nosferatu video.And the worst thing is that you're objectively wrong. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.
@@kostantza1 No 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheCosmopolitanGeekAllianceSuit yourself. Making yourself into a laughinstock is free and your right.
Off topic but I just realized you sound exactly like Xander from Survivor season 41.
Not really no
I have no interest in anything you have to say after your comment about The Menu.
Yes. We still need gothic horror done well.
fire vid
In short, no.
Loved Nosferatu and this analysis perfectly examines why this movie is so brilliant on so many levels! Thank you!
I think watching this movie in IMAX is what made me not enjoy it so much, it feels like it should be viewed on a smaller screen
You skipped the AppleTV version starring Doug Jones that came out back in October that was in the works for many years too but well before this version.
This guy is nothing but word salad and bad takes
Right?!
@@ShannonPotratz I thought women (you) like people who are very talky and use word salads nonstop, no?
I liked him a lot years ago, but he lost me with his bad takes on Stranger Things. He's just trying to be contrarian for the sake of it, which always sucks
"He lost me with bad takes on Stranger Things" What a pathetic, pathetic statement.
Herzog's version is still the best.
You are brilliant. I look forward to you divorcing yourself from the norms and moralisms of the time and place you happened to be born into. Imagine what you could do then?
🎯
@@kimaya4503 Do you think he knwos what I mean, or has the wherewithall t ask himself if he should ponder what I mightmean?
@@kentjensen4504 not quite. the smug approach he takes to reviewing these days suggests a lack of self-questioning in my opinion....he never seems to ask himself is he projecting or being overly cynical
Yes. Go away, clickbait.
I enjoy your content
Hope you’re all doing well and having a nice week I was just wondering if you available for a 15 minute conversational interview in the near future to ask some questions about you and the direction that your overall content is going in the future
Sincerely Yusaf
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this movie was boring....
how are your golden pathos to the left doing??
My plastic golden pothos from Target is suffering the same immortal existence as Orlok himself, the difference being its complete ambivalence to sunlight
@TaylorJWilliams target plants never last sadly. Im 2/5 🙃🙃
@@daniellubitsky800 devastating news
Dude what’s your problem with the menu? Kinda ruins your credibility.
Nvm, just saw your video on the menu. Also saw that pretty much everyone disagreed with you. We good lol
Snooze fest
like your mom last night
Haha what a pretentious video. Yes we did. The original was just an adaptation of Brams book. Do we need you on TH-cam? No