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Apple II peripheral cards. Most important cards to own
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- List of Apple II cards in my Apple II+ and IIe and a brief description
Disk II Interface Card - Slot 6 to boot. Can be used in slot 5 and 7
Apple I/O card - Slot 5, 6 or 7
Apple 80 column and 64K expansion card - Slot 3 or auxiliary port
Language card - Slot 0
Super Serial card - Any slot, usually slot 2 except 5
Grappler+ Parallel card - Any slot, usually slot 1 except 5
Internal Modem card - Any slot, usually slot 4 except 5
Echo+ Text to Speech card - Any slot except 5
CP/M card - Slot 4 or any slot except 5
1. Microsoft CP/M card
2. Clone CP/M card
3. APPLI card - The Personal Computer Peripheral Inc's (PCPI) - Slot 4 or any slot except 5,6, and 7
AP-64e EPROM programmer card - Slot 4 or any slot except 5
ROM card - Slot 5, usually
BOOTi card - Slot 6 to boot. Can be in slot 6 or 7
Floppy Emu - Slot 6 to boot
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Here are my suggestions: As you own a Floppy Emu, you want a LIRON board or other Smartport type card if possible, to use more of its features. SCSI cards, or other mass storage media such as the ReactiveMicro Drive card: You may find this trivial, but it is nice to have some 32MB ProDOS or 400K (hacked) DOS 3.3 volumes available. I primarily use SCSI as it gives the most flexibility, but I have a ReactiveMicro Drive and it does the job.
I prefer the Super SCSI card for machines that can support its DMA options. ReActive have also reprocuced the CFFA3000, which is absolutely worth having. It allows mass storage or floppy images to be strored on a CF card and then booted via a menu.
The FastChip //e from A2H or the UltraWarp II from ReActive. YMMV. I still use a stock 4MHz Transwarp in my daily driver ][+ and an 8MHz ZIP chip in my dev //e enh; and naturally a 14MHz TWGS in my dev GS machine. All of these have benefits and drawbacks. Which you prefer will depend on the machine: The Fastchip //e only works on the //e; the UltraWarp works on the
][, ][+ and all //e models.
Large volume RAM cards, such as the AE RamFactor or Ramworks or similar. Some of these also have digital RGB video out. If you find one that does, you can use it direct with the AppleColour 100 CRT, or adapt it for CGA type displays.
Mouse card: If you want to use MouseDesk, any games or utilities with mouse support such as the *latest ProDOS*, GEOS, or any paint or draw software, this is a must. Note that the first Mac 1984 M100 mouse is not compatible, (one axis doesn't work) you need an M100 from 1985-6z or later, or a //c mouse, or //e platinum/Mac Plus Platinum mouse for these cards.
If you have a ][ or ][+, a VIDEX or compatible 80-column card for Slot 3. The 16K card that you mentioned is pure RAM expansion, and does not give early machines 80-column modes.
Mockingboard: This as I wrote in an earlier post is not commonly supported, but is still avail;ble today as a clone. The Phasor II is a better option if you wish to splurge.
Uthernet: Rather than deadwood modem cards, I advise the Uthernet card for Ethernet. This is a far superior way to log into a BBS on your //e. :)
Something worth mentioning is the "era" of a card. Most of your cards were made in the late 70s to late 80s during the Apple II's heyday, but BOOTI and Floppy Emu were created much later, in the last 5 - 10 years. By hobbyists, for hobbyists.
Yes, you are correct! Thanks for pointing that out.
I would favour the CFFA3000 and the ReactiveMicro Drive over the BOOTI.
Thank you Rudy, this is a very comprehensive and informational video!
@WelcomeToMarkintosh Thank you, and thanks for commenting
7:25 This card was pretty expensive back in the day. There is a review of the card in creative computing from Jan of 1984. This is taken from that review:
"The Appli-Card presently lists at $375. It is also available, bundled with WordStar for $500 list--good value if WordStar is the word processing program you want. The RAM Extender is another $200 or so, depending on whether you get the 64K or 128K version. The 64K version is said to be upgradable to 128K by the addition of eight 150ns 4164 chips, at a cost of about $50. "
For this 375-$500, you really still have to add an 80 column card. It can do a 70 column display without the card or a 255 character "scrolling" display (meaning the screen is a window to a much larger screen). If you want to do word processing well, you need the 80 column card. Though I think using it for a spreadsheet, it would be better to use the 255 column scrolling window.
Plus it has a bunch of compatibility problems. To get it with single useful application for $500 is not affordable. Plus, this is 1984! The writing is on the wall for CP/M at this point.
Indeed, it was a very expensive card. However, it did have a faster Z80 processor speed. Still , it wasn't worth it. Once companies made better software like spreadsheets and word processors, it indeed marked the end of CPM.
I think the modem cards and parallel printer cards are no longer essential. In fact, they are mostly useless today. I would definitely recommend including a Mockingboard or Phasor soundcard in their place, and in place of the Echo as well.
Parallel card is used with my printer. As for the modem card, yes you are correct however back in the day with no internet, everyone had one. Would love to have a Mockingboard but don't have one yet. Thanks for your Comments.
Modem, a doorstopper. I have a shoebox of those. The serial cards I still use routinely.
Further, Uthernet is a far better solution for connectivity. Combined with Contiki, you can do quite a lot of networking; or run your own BBS right from an Apple ][ series machine, albeit within the limits of your storage and hardware configuration. I was going to rack mount a //e board with a Uthernet in my server configuration for grins at one point, but I never got around to it. Would need 2U or 3U for card height, so very space hungry.
A rack mounted IIe would an excellent project. For me, I don't have enough time or money to build one. If you ever do, would love to see pictures
The Super Serial card supports down to 300 baud. It replaces the two earlier printer-specific and modem-specific Apple serial card models by offering a choice of modes.
I believe the Apple I/O card is designed for the 5.25 drive or the Unidisk 5.25 drive. To use a 3.5" drive on an Apple II, you'll need a 3.5" disk controller, which is sometimes called the "superdrive" card (because it can be used with the 3.5" superdrive, which is capable of holding 1.44mb on each disk). Good video, thanks for sharing!
I don't realize that! Thanks for sharing and commenting
@@RudysRetroIntel You bet. The I/O card will also work with the DuoDisk drive. Also, there is another card called the LIRON which works with the 3.5 UNIDISK drive (not the plain-jane 3.5 drive).
Excellent information, thanks! I rarely use my drives as I prefer using my WDrive or FloppyEmu.
@@RudysRetroIntel The FloppyEMU will connect to the LIRON card and act as a hard drive.
@@TPIR_Fan_1972 Sane with an Apple II controller card. Great products
Wrong!!! The I/O Card is for the DuoDisk and can be used with an adapter and later 5.25 Drives. To use a 3.5 inch disk drive you need either aq LIRON card (or compatible such as a LASER 3.5 drive card) and *UniDisk* model 3.5 drives; or better, the SuperDrive (Apple 3.5 Drive card) that allows using the later //gs type 3.5 Drives from Apple, including both 800K and 1440K drives. The I/OI card *SHOULD NEVER* be connected to any 3.5 disk drive as this will damage either the drive controller, the I/O card, or both; and may also damage the system mainboard!!!
Thanks for all your comments and noted
5:00 According to the manual, it's a 300 baud modem. The first 14.4 modem came out in 1991. This thing cannot do anywhere near 19200. It may have a serial controller that can reach 19.2, but that is completely different.
Actually, all modem can do 300 baud, as that was the minimum standards of the day. I don't know the full buad rate of this modem, but I will take your word on it. In this section, I was talking more in general terms on lots of modems. Thanks for commenting and watching!
@@RudysRetroIntel The manual for it is online. I read it in the manual.
A lot of modem manufacturers lied about their specs. You can find lots of 56k modems even talking about 115.2.
There are basically 3 connections. Computer to modem, modem to modem and modem to computer on the other end. The modem to modem connection is really the only one that matters. Even the earliest PC/Apple uarts can do 19.2 or at least 9600. So if you have an external modem, you can connect to that modem at 19,200bits per second. Later uarts can do 100 something kilo-bits per second. I forget the exact numbers. Anyway, the modem manufacturers would usually list the top speed of the uart. So a 300 or 1200 baud modem could have a 19.2kbs top speed, so of course, 19.2 was in big bold letters on the box, rather than the 300 or 1200bps modem-modem speeds.
Another very frequent lie with modems was lying about the modem-modem speeds by including compression. Though some of these compression methods were pretty good, all were worse than zip or lha or tar compression. Everyone zipped files before sending them across a modem. So the compression really didn't do anything. Once you were up to about 9600 baud, even entire screens could fill in a second or less without any compression.
@tarstarkusz lots of interesting facts about modems! Thanks for sharing
I remember having a Laser 128 and an Apple //c with mice. I think there was a mouse card that was put in slot 4. I do not believe Apple mice were devices that were plugged in to the serial port but I could be wrong. I think Apple mice for their Apple II computers were compatible with the Mac 128 to Mac Plus. Many software for Apple II were compatible with mice.
Thanks for sharing and commenting
Modem cards: These are doorstoppers now as there are precious fewe dial in ISPs and if you have a serial card, you can use that with any Hayes-compatible modem; so, not only is the modem card useless (and capped anywhere from 300 to 1200 baud), but it is surpassed with a serial card. I have a box of Apple ][ modem cards tghat I cannot use. Modern telephone exchanges may not even be compatible: If you have either digital phone service or VIOP they easily aren't compatible. This card doesn't make the cut.
Agree, however they a part of vintage history and still interesting. There some projects coming where they can be used, with an external device to act like a serial card. I have some in my collection to eventually create a BBS and simulate the BBS experience. How useful is that, it's up to the user. Thanks for sharing your comments!
Grappler and similar parallel cards are good to have, but you also need a compatible printer. There are a numberf of supported printers, but most will be DMPs, and a basic ImageWriter over serial tends to be a better option. I have a box of parallel cards too, and the only one I have in use is in my 1977 ][ as it is the original Apple Parallel card. You can find other user for them but IEEE-488 is probably a better way to go.
Cool stuff! I had a C64 back in the day and while the graphics and sound were better, the Apple II had a way better hardware setup for expansion and hacking, and a much larger ecosystem of cool expansion cards.
had C64 too and was jealous of the Apple II's faster floppy drives - and 80 column display was more straightforward. Back then 80 columns was considered essential for serious word processing
Agreed, Apple drives were faster and I remember doing documentation on a word processor with 40 column, not fun. Wish all the computers has 80 columns
The softcard is an interesting pick. Not a bad one, but interesting. If you have one, I uploaded Zork, Zork II and Zork III for word processing, database utilities (tgbh, AppleWorks beats most CP/M tools of this type), and programming tools for the Z80. You can if you wish run the CP/M MS-BASIC, as an example. I would not consider this one a toy though, as with the right toolset, you can transfer any Z80 CP/M (CP/M was also made for other architectures) software to Apple format, and run it, without needing a dedicated machine.
I have a Z80 card in most of my systems. Not in my //gs, or my //c (although a Z80 card does exist for the //c., I merely never bothered with them for a portable machine), but nearly every other ][ system I own has one. There is also a MicroSoft SoftCard specifically for the //e that is used in place of the 80-column/RAM card and has all three functions built into it.
Cards like the Echo are fun toys, but almost no software supports them. The Mockingboard has a few titles, such as in the Ultima series, but the primary market for the Echo line was for the visually impaired. Now, for someone like that -- a lady friend of mine many years ago used one as her eyesight was something around 20/20000 -- they are going to be critical, but otherwise it is going to be no more than a fun toy. I gfile this under the same category as cards like the Synetix SuperSprite.
The SuperSprite works on the //e and //gs and adds full sprite support to the system enabling making sprite-based games, but agqain, lacks any software--and such games would not work if you did not own the card, or such as the case of the //c line, cannot install it. I do not recall if it works on the ][ or ][+ offhand, so that would be another limiting factor.
Mockingboard! A must have.
Agreed
I have a 1MB super cache card, not sure what it's actully supposed to do though. Yes 1 megabyte, apple 2.
Wow!! I've never heard of this card before. Maybe it is used to store applications on it, like a ram drive. If you find any information on it, let me know. Thanks for sharing
Always informative!!!
Thanks Dr Dave!!
You didn't mention (or have) the beloved Liron card?
Essential to use HD images with floppyEMU. Got one in my pristine restored //e platinum.
I built the Mockingboard kit for it...very fun and not terrible expensive. Looking for a Mockingboard //c ...
Unfortunately I don't have that card but the ones I've shown are a good set to start with. There are many other cards but not in my collection.. yet :)
Great video, but you missed Apple II mouse card :)
Thanks!! Actually you are right, however at that time I didn't have one to show. They get expensive. Thanks for commenting.
would have liked to know more about the enigmatic language card, also, were there ever any networking cards for like AppleTalk or even for ethernet?
The language card for the II allows you to run interger basic. If no ROM on the card it's for additional memory, 16k. As for network cards, I'm not sure although there are cards from Reactive Micro and others for networking
Just FYI when you show your FloppyEMU, you appear to have the cable in backwards in the Disk II card. That'll probably blow the FloppyEMU if you plugged it in. I'm not trying it, that's for sure!
He's got pin 1 going to pin 1... or am I missing something?
Yes, pin 1 to pin 1. If I messed it up my FloppyEmu would be a stiff emu:)
@@RudysRetroIntel Normally I wouldn't argue with Ron when it comes to Apple stuff, but look at 12:05 - I can see the red wire for pin 1 on the side that says 19 and 20. But on your floppy EMU you definitely have pin 1 in the right place. So it's not a matter of both sides reversed.
As long as it works. My emu is still working so, not sure what to say. Will watch again later
@@Toby_Q Good eyes!! I just watched my video and you are right!! Good thing I didn't plug in the card to demo it. As you can see, even veterans can make mistakes!
Is there anyone out there, who has a 6522-Card for the Apple ][? I built one -homebrewed- in 1983 with a 6522 and a Hyundai HY6116P-15 CMOS static RAM on it, but I can't find my documentation about this card... I know by sure, that I don't constructed and designed it by my self, I've copied the card from somewhere...
The other TTL-Chips on this card are: a Bus-Transceiver LS245, and a LS74 FlipFlop and some other NAND, NOR-stuff...
Best Regards
Georg
Sorry I don't know this card? What was it used for? Wait, is that the parallel card?
@@RudysRetroIntel I know that we had programmed inputs and output-purposes for this card in assembler. Something like the control for a RTTY converter (Radio TeleTYpe). And I had used it to program my own printer driver for a serially controlled Seikosha printer, in the late 1980s. But I can't find the programs/drivers anymore, on my disks - so maybe I could use that to get a little more information about the programming of the card... But nothing to find...
Of I find something I will let you know
@@RudysRetroIntel Thank you so much, Rudy!🙂
Uhh, where's the summary that you spoke of at the end of the video?
Hello. See end of video at time 13:16. As, check the video description.
@@RudysRetroIntel Oh; duh! I was doing something else and listening to your video. That's why I didn't notice that.
Not a problem, I've done that many times:)
is there a z80 card with zx spectrum graphics and therefore software support?
No, not on the Apple, as far as I know. The Z80 card was just for running business software.
@@RudysRetroIntel the atari with rapidus accelerator can run zx spectrum software now
Interesting, I didn't know that. Maybe I should try to load some zx spectrum software on my Apple IIe.
@@RudysRetroIntel guess u just need the 100mhz 6502...
can you share the diagnostic ROM from the ROM card, I can not find it :(
My eprom reader and programmer is not available. Once I get it back, I will up load it to my GitHub
Got the ROM image and it is located on my GitHub: github.com/RudyRetroIntel/Hardware-ROMS
@@RudysRetroIntel , thank you very much! I have a "brain board" for apple , which in 27c256 , but I remember that there was topic in one forum how to make it work with 27c512 , I will try to see if it will work for me , with your ROM, thank you once again!
@@RudysRetroIntel I managed to load the "Diagnostic - custom ROM that does extensive RAM tests and tests keys" is there other ROMS that are in this BIN file ? other than that ?
@@st.alexiev625 Sorry that's all I have