I usually focus heal warriors in bgs and dump all my blessings on them. They usually get top dmg unless they're really poorly geared. It's wild the difference between a solo warrior and one with pocket heals.
@@snackpup just kite or disarm when they pop wings, then pop banner and recklessness after, shatter their bubble and they’re dead, you’ll never lose another ret battle
With all due respect, the duel part has little in common with the actual duel performances of classes. We have a young dueling league whose participants have not only gladiator achievements but also massive experience in duels. Duel tournaments are arranged on a regular basis. They consist of two stages: ( 1) qualifications within one class; and 2) leaders/champions of one class compete with each other fighting leaders/champions of other classes. Currently, our champions and challengers have the following win rates: Druid - 97% (this is the win rate of ferals only) Monk - 77% Warrior, Druids (Ferals and Boomies combined), Paladin, and Warlock - around 60% Rogue - 52% Mage - 50% Demon Hunter - 45% Hunter - 40% Shaman - 38% Death Knight - 22% Priest - 18% You placed warriors in the last place of your top asserting that they do not have self-healing or it is not reliable although both arms (flashcraft + second wind) and fury achieved very high results in our tournaments due to such self-healing. Speaking about BG, 6 heroic leaps of fury warriors is hard to consider as the class with some of the worst mobility. We can probably argue all day about issues in your duel part of the video, but I have a better idea. You gave a score of 6 to priests compared to 4 to warriors. I am ready to pay 100$ to each priest (cap 1000$ payments) who can beat one of our warrior-champ (Kragar).
@@C04nd3r I guess I can't publish it here. It is deleted automatically. Just search on youtube Kragar Duels, and there is a link to each video. We just moved to the server kazzak (eu).
Warlock is probably top 3 1v1 classes Demo is insane vs casters and affly just owns everyone else, if you try to peel, they will just heal to full with drain life + legendary, and if you try to outdmg them, you will get kited and outdmged
Yeah I’m gonna have to agree. Locks are disgusting in duels at the moment and on that note, boomy is ass in duels. Feral is absurdly good of course but boomy is god awful.
Don't think I have ever lost to a rogue as either ww monk, balance druid, ench shammy or ret pally. Only when really undergeared. Rogues when you know their toolkit and know your own class are very easy to counter. So this list is not that accurate. Balance druids are the most verstile. Got cc, heals, damage, mobility and even stealth. You can beat ever class with that spec. Should be #1
For real! I don’t sub wow but I love watching dalaran’s 1v1 games along w/ supatease, anboni and skillcapped videos. imagine blizzards adapting dalaran’s 5v5 1v1 format for one of the solo que games. Going back soon because of rank solo que in dragon flight. ✌🏼
@@bryanbenares5798 if you want to 1v1 go outside org or SW. 1v1 will always be extremely unbalanced. 1v1 solo queue is something you think you want but actually don't.
As enhance fighting monk, I usually throw down counter strike totem when they burst, then just keep earth shield on and heal. Or burst back if they suck. They usually karma after I just cap totem then eb totem fshock ghost wolf run lol, feral lunge back and finish. Beyond that example, imo Enhance is at least an 8.0 if played correctly. And honestly they are kinda like a battle mage, and destroy casters. If you have grounding totem especially. Way harder for destro locks to get you into that loop of trying to stop a fear or get CB to the face, or stop a CB to the face, get feared and take a CB anyway lol. One of the biggest downfalls I see is players not using totems at proper times. Times when its easy for the enemy to take focus off of you and on to your totems to kill them.
I think the reason I main DH is because it's such great fun to play. Especially in battlegrounds. I've been trying a sub rogue as an alt for about an year now, but not quite sure about it. Although it seems to be much better in theory, I just keep losing most 1vs1 situations on my rogue, while on my DH I tend to do pretty well against many randoms. (I wish more of those people played in arena =) Rogue is maybe a bit too complicated for me. So much time critical stuff performing stun locks correctly. It's surprising how few people I manage to kill even when they don't have their trinket =). And I have a really hard time getting away if I don't have Vanish up.
Most people dislike arena, but most of them still play it to get better gear. hopefully blizzard finally adresses the gear prohibition for ppl who simply do not want to play arena and are forced to do it to not have a disadvantage in other pvp content.
The quality of these videos are going down not gonna lie. The sound is not equalized, he says huntes do damage from ranged instead of range. And he called Recuperator a pvp talent -_-
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I played both Warrior and Ferals and I have to say they're at the end of each of spectrum in solo play. Warriors are monsters with a healer, without them they drop dead in seconds. That's why double dps never works for them. Ferals on the other hand are very self sustainable and can bleed you for years while running a way and heal while they rot.
you are absolutely right. it is night and day. sure, fire has more regen, but frost especially with lonely winter, unbreakable double frostnova, 600% cone of cold creates some serious problems as long as people are not shooting the people you freeze. Unbreakable frostnova alone can win you 1on1s by simply exhausting their escapes then nova and lance them to oblivion.
Looks like they still mean the BfA version of Warrior - whats with all those warriors that effortlessly won 5vs5 1vs1 Dalaran duels? Even way before 9.2. came out during SL. Whats with their insane toolkit, easy to use mobility and selfheal. You need an expert kiter in a duel to beat a warrior, like an expierenced feral running around a house or pillar - that does not make a 4 in each category, tbh.
Alliance gets a world pvp quest each week for some extra conquest I think. You can also hunt down players with the assassin buff for extra conquests and resources
In rated BGs, I'd say a VERY good spriest can be A tier, but most shadow players are simply awful at that form of game play. They never MD, MC, etc. I've been 2700+ in rbgs as all 3 priest specs, for over 10 years. A 2100 spriest could be replaced by by a challenger lock, boomkin, etc. It's very dependent on the player, other wise other classes do the same job with less work. Dot uptime is brutal as shadow, not enough globals to use your utility and burst while keeping up dots in a team fight. There's not much a spriest does that the 1-2 healing priests that most teams are running can't. Ie: MD and Grip. Void shift is okay on flag maps and psyfiend is a good MS that is hard to target if you're not running a warrior in your team comp. Lock's BG score should also be 10. All three specs are generally viable and affliction is the strongest it's been in BGs pretty much ever. They do 2-3x the damage of a spriest and potentially double that of a boomkin. They have the strongest caster damage output in this setting. Rift and gate are strong utilities. The lock who's gameplay you showed has a 78% win rate at 2300 cr, sure his team is good but that should be indicative of relative spec strength. 40 locks above 2k on the US ladder, 71 druids of any spec on the US ladder, including guardians, 45 boomkins. Your rating's simply aren't logcal.
I agree with most of your statements, although this list is more for "casual" play in random bgs not rbgs. They put feral as a 10 which I have to disagree. Yeah in duels they're very strong, but not 10. In bgs... not so much. I mained feral for a long time and people always prefer a rogue for solo capping. A rogue catches you in kitty/travel form and it's pretty much game over, and they can't hold a point as well in 1vX like a rogue due to the lack of sap. Like you said, Affli locks were, are and will be always the monster snowball damage dealer in bgs. Nothing comes close to it.
shadow if played well can make the difference in rbgs, and is almost untouchable in team fights due to passive heal plus indirect group heals, but yeah most shadows dont understand that they should actually use their not so bad burst damage to pressure healers instead of trying to be affliction warlocks with meaningless spread damage that kills noone as long as healers on the other team live.
shout out to "the other side of pvp." the standard, sweaty, dr-tracking/trinket meta just doesn't rustle my jimmies near as good as the more basic BG/RBG pvp. less 'wow/blizz' pvp + more general 'mmo pvp' = better pvp imo; that'd be my recipe if I was king of pvp at blizz anyways
I also like ALOT more world PvP and BGs.. Since arena is MOSTLY for hit and hide, cat and mouse game, and i dont really like this type of crap.. Sure i like arenas too, when i have good partner with me, some times is fun, but since i play mostly solo, well i dont like arena, cuz most partners i have are some random baboons... Also MANY forget that there was NO F arena back in Vanila, it was ALL world pvp and BGs and i find that way of pvp to be the best... Anyway when DKs was OP i did trash 1v1 players, that could kill me ezz in arena, since they was good team, and i was with some casual moron on arena, cuz i wanted to get some rate for gear and stuff, and i lose... There also need to be some pvp balance, for example DKs have crap OUTdated spells, while DHs for example have deff CDs on 1 min, while DK have deff CD on 3 min, if that is fair...
I agree with the vast majority of your videos. This one? Most of it is inverted. I don't do much in terms of rated. But in terms of casual BGs, I'm all over that sh!t. There is no way I will put warriors at the bottom. I disagree with other choices too, but warriors at the bottom is absolutely incorrect. They are, at worst, mid tier.
yea agree warriors are better than the video shows. ofcourse dueling a ret pally or a rogue you will suffer as a warr but overall they have more than enough damage and tankiness to be valuable. hell necro warriors can oneshot you no joke plus ms debuff shattering throw rallying cry
@@christtel1484 BS... ARMs is good, BUT 1v1 ARMs DIE horrible... While fury SURE have sustain, BUT it lacks dmg and it lacks the healing absorb ARMs have... So now u know WHY Warrior is on the very bottom, since as DK i can sustain myself a bit, no matter they nerfed DK healing a ton, + we as DK have anti-magic spells, so we are alot more durable vs casters, rogues, paladins ect, while warriors are NOT...
Destro lock is next to god tier in duels with a decent setting. Take it from the guy that's mained Warlock for the last 17 years and has over 40k duels won. It takes a lot of know-how and cleverness to win. There's almost nothing that I have trouble beating except a feral druid, even rogues arent a problem. Trouble with feral right now is because of all their rediculous self heals and ability to sit bear form and take no dmg. Aside from that, a good destro lock can dominate the dueling scene. I have a few secrets of my own on how I win majority of my duels
"it takes a lot of know-how and cleverness." As this vid seems to be aimed at more casual players I feel like this is the reason it is not rated as high as it could be.
destro wl is actually strong yeah, especially 1v1. due to the hardcasting it usually gets super hairy against 2 melee in bgs or world, since they can lock you down very badly, but 1on1 yeah its really strong in the hands of a good player.
Frost DK suck cuz is a mere shadow, of what the class overall used to be... Sure they have burst, BUT it is weaker then what hunters, paladins, mages ect have.. Also the self sustain is very crap, compared to paladins, druids and others... Also outside of pillar of frost we have literally no dmg, or very low... But is not only frost UH is the same crap, no matter UH scrub fanboys like to say how UH is better and stuff, but they are WRONG... The whole class is a meme now, even Blood DK is BAD compared to every other tank it have less dmg and less healing... FK blizzard i hope they burn in hell, as main Frost DK i am mad to play this weak class, no matter that i play very very well, i cant beat classes that are overtuned every time + in order to win every fight i need to play 150% correctly, even if the other OP class do some mistakes i may still not win...
Idk how he thnks warlocks are this bad in 1v1, i on sight kill people in world pvp all the time on affliction warlock, im not scared of any class. the 50% slow is bs to deal with, the healing u have is nuts and u can soulstone urseld during unending resolve. u also have tons of cc, also affliction doesnt need to hard cast to deal dmg, lastly if they try line u they just die to dots while u heal...
Rogue not only topping mythic raiding dmg, tops pvp dmg too aswell and they have an endless amount of cc, this class needs a serious rebalance fucking annoying how dominant even a noob can be
Tbh stealth should only work in pve, it’s the reason rogue and Druid top 2 in bg’s. Both go down like flies though once they blow their load and have to wait for cd.
Personally id say DH should be closer to the top, the only negative said was roots and novas locking them down, after having done alot of world pvp and feeling that pain I swapped to Cleansed by flame pvp talent, that with reverse magic makes DH a monster to deal with. Not to mention pulling mobs into fights makes you raid tank worthy with meta leech and tons of souls I find my DH way more efficient in solo pvp than my monk or pally anybody getting into world pvp or 1vX, negating damage completely makes a good spec, Evasion, Cloak, Darkness, Blur, Bubble, Deterrence, Ice block. Basic damage reduction doesn't save you as often, even karma can be burst through now unfortunately as I used to solo pvp on monk mostly
Cant heal behind pillers really, a lot of roots are not magic Cds and self healing are RNG Yea lol Ih and you cant pull mobs that well in most dueling areas (ie in frount of stormwind there 1 critter that does nothing for u
Most of this is fair but I think rogues are more like a 9 in bgs. You can assume most of the time the rogue will try to stealth cap; While it's mega valuable it also means there's 1 less participant in your fights, and if there's more than 1 rogue it often leads to a loss because they're all sitting in stealth too often.
Arms warriors are 4/10 absolutely. Fury has more self heal than you give credit to via Battle Trance. They also have a snare clear on a 20 second cool down. Fury is viable..
Yep.. Sadly as main Frost DK i suffer after Legion, and specially after WOD, where we had DMG and Healing real slow juggernaut, these days the class is a meme F blizzard....
@@ImHeatless Oooo F.... U did just remind me how pissed i am about the F DK death Aura, it was so useful before, when vs ranged use blood aura, when getting low use blood aura, rest time use UH aura for haste and speed.... Seems we wont get that damn DK auras back even in DF.. Presences/ Aura yes was bad, but i think the nerf on DS healing is even bigger crap... Sure we can use hypothermic presence + Lichborne and selfhealing abit, using the pet to sacrifice and death pact + the 50% healing rune, but still, DS heals mostly with dark succor, or if we take tons of dmg and get as low as 20-30% hp...
Dk ofc is on the bottom LMAO.. Not that i give 2 FKs i main Frost DK and i perform well with it, no matter it sucks... At least Warriors outside of arena are on the very bottom, but i still think the Frost DK frost Wyrm CC legendary + dead of winter + strangulate is VERY OP for 2S and specially 3S arena, since is alot of CC, and when used on the right moment means win... Also in world pvp and BGs the DK is fine for the most part, if there is at least some support, since vs the most op classes we get trashed.. DK has become a meme of a class, for that reason i will be happy some day in the near future blizzard to bankrupt...
no one absolutely NO ONE! Is using the necrolord covenant for DH its the worst covenant of all for DH and just is a sucky ability especially in pvp when ur relying on a chance to summon a secondary target then to kill that target while ignoring the main fight to hopefully deal extra dmg on the death of the demon and heal. And DH self heal in any situation is like a warriors. What are u talking about dude
@@idleague But only VS plater meles, good rogue will trash the feral, or some caster lock/ mage so i dont see how exactly feral is top tier vs classes they just cant win... If wars, DKs and paladins cant win feral most of the time, feral cant win mages and locks most of the time...
I was playing rogue and was pretty good. But on rbgs you cannot relax because everyone waiting magic from you like capping 1v2 and one shot any flag keeper. On arena need to be handy. Now play destro warlock. On rbgs just relaxing by slowing down enemies fearing and killings with burst. On arena ye everyone want to kill me but if I got a chance to cast it's just erase anyone. So ye maybe rogue is higher but lock much more relax and fun. And need to click 3 buttons to destroy people without complicated setups etc. Besides that lock is more flexible for 3x3. Take any caster and gg. Rogue just rmp boring.. just imho. So play the class that you really enjoy 🔥🔥🔥
This list is super off. I used to watch these videos a lot but the more I play the more I question if you guys actually play the game haha. You put warrior at bottom when fury is absolutely unkillable in small scale content. DK below everything else would be fine if you specified frost dk. Unholy can decimate people with their new passives and legos that increase pet damage. DH below druid, hunter and monk is laughable. They heal too much for nothing and deal too much damage especially with necrolord covenant which heals for half their hp. Druid should be mid tier outside of healer. Ret is great for bubbles and even with the heal nerf can still heal for half their hp instantly. Rogue is on top as always so at least you got a couple right.
Fury unkilleable xD. Not trying to offend or somethinf, but u know nowadays "all" classes can outrange and play with a warrior like a toy if you know your class just a bit?. ofc better warrior wins agains rly bad lets say mage or feral or paladin... But just decent not even on the same lvl than the warrior, you just play with him while killing him. They cant heal against what they cant touch. But yeah bad players look at fury as unkilleable ones xD.
@@pablobg3022 They have decent lockdown now and slaughterhouse is pretty good. Their tier set bonus and legendaries add a pretty effective damage boost. For a solo player fury warrior is great. Night fae and bastion both are good choices to help with securing your damage and healing. Classes that beat them are the insanely mobile or ret pally. And that's only in 1v1. Paired with a healer or a lockdown character like rogue or mage or DH is absurd to deal with. They may not be the best, but right now their damage is crazy and for a solo player as the video states they are an excellent choice.
I think this list is about the potential of the class, in the hands of a good player. Most of us just suck, even if we think highly of ourselves. if you watch AWC you see druids doing insane self healing, sometimes more than damage, warrior being kitted all game, etc
@@devonhoward8620 BS UH DK is about the same crap.. Sure they use these crap pets, but Frost DK also have good burst and stuff.. The whole DK as a class SUCK no matter what UH fanboys may say, UH got nerfed too, this is not BFA, but SL... And Fury may be good for 1v1, and still DEPEND vs what exactly... If Fury face some OP crap like rogue, feral/ balance, caster or specially paladin they are just DED very DED... Also in arena Fury will perform BAD compared to how ARMs will perform in arena or general with healer that is why they rank warriors below us DKs, since DK can somehow win some dual DPS arenas and stuff and sustain itself, while Warrios suck since fury is bad but have sustain, while ARMs is very good, but no sustain... ALSO Frost DK is STRONGER for arena compared to UH, is simple UH got nerfs to necrotic strike, so it does not much for them these days + Frost DK can have total of x4 big CCs for vs healers that would be the Frost Wyrm aoe stun, the remorseless winter stun, strangulate cc and hard stun or blinding sleet, HOW exactly will u win arena against this kind of crap x4 CCs ? When played correctly these CCs can win the arena match and i did win many Arenas with healer, when i managed to use all of these CCs one after another, and if the healer did waste his trinket on the first CC since i was bursting on him, then i did use second cc, so he have no trinket prob, and if he use some baseline spell i have x3 cc and then final x4 cc, some times i cant land a kill, but some times the healer just cant handle so much nasty CC... And imagine CC >>>>> DMG and stuff, since when u do tons of dmg but not much cc the enemy can use some deff and still survive or kai and run away and stuff.. But frost DK also have good burst, and alot of CC, that comes ALOT better then what UH offers.. NOT to mention UH and their pets feel like plate warlock CRAP, and if u want to see the truth go watch swifty arena legends hansol R1 mage vs R1 UH DK, he wont 1-2 duels ONLY when he did trash the UH pets, and GG the UH cant do SHHT... So pls dont talk me about UH DK the spec is CRAP, and was crap since Wrath, sadly Blood DK DPS was gone after Wrath, but the UH was not sadly..
@@themobster7284 this is like 3 patches ago and I don't really want to read lol. Not trying to be rude at all. I just saw the length of that and I'm too lazy. At the moment in DF, DK is A-S tier for arenas so they can't be that bad of a class. They have huge damage, decent self survival and good constant pressure with silences, stuns, perma slow, grip, and necrotic wounds. The only thing they lack is team utility outside of amz.
Such bullshit about warrior xD Pick god damn Second Wind and necro covenant. First - you can fear enemy and move back to get your hp to 100%. He trinkets fear? Now you can smack him during storm bolt. Or you can play with leaper leggo so you always be able to back off and heal. Second - damage taken on fleshcraft DOESNT COUNT as damage taken to prevent second wind from activating. What does that mean? If you manage to get fleshcraft shield up while you are low hp, you gonna get back to 100% before enemy breaks the shield. World pvp is different and thats why you need different solutions, not just playing it with your arena setup and saying "WAR BAD"
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YEEEEESSSS!!! A new updated one! 😀 I'm incredible happy to see these coming.
I usually focus heal warriors in bgs and dump all my blessings on them. They usually get top dmg unless they're really poorly geared. It's wild the difference between a solo warrior and one with pocket heals.
Glad to see a nice healer who gets it.
Yeah I've got all max 278 gear on my warrior and any 1v1 vs a ret or anything they will just walk over me
@@snackpup you are a very bad warrior then lol.
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@@snackpup just kite or disarm when they pop wings, then pop banner and recklessness after, shatter their bubble and they’re dead, you’ll never lose another ret battle
With all due respect, the duel part has little in common with the actual duel performances of classes. We have a young dueling league whose participants have not only gladiator achievements but also massive experience in duels. Duel tournaments are arranged on a regular basis. They consist of two stages: ( 1) qualifications within one class; and 2) leaders/champions of one class compete with each other fighting leaders/champions of other classes. Currently, our champions and challengers have the following win rates:
Druid - 97% (this is the win rate of ferals only)
Monk - 77%
Warrior, Druids (Ferals and Boomies combined), Paladin, and Warlock - around 60%
Rogue - 52%
Mage - 50%
Demon Hunter - 45%
Hunter - 40%
Shaman - 38%
Death Knight - 22%
Priest - 18%
You placed warriors in the last place of your top asserting that they do not have self-healing or it is not reliable although both arms (flashcraft + second wind) and fury achieved very high results in our tournaments due to such self-healing.
Speaking about BG, 6 heroic leaps of fury warriors is hard to consider as the class with some of the worst mobility.
We can probably argue all day about issues in your duel part of the video, but I have a better idea. You gave a score of 6 to priests compared to 4 to warriors. I am ready to pay 100$ to each priest (cap 1000$ payments) who can beat one of our warrior-champ (Kragar).
What server are you doing this on?
Wow this sounds cool, do you guys have a discord server?
get better rogues
@@thewhisperer4820 Bring them. We are open to everyone, but I doubt that they will show better performance.
@@C04nd3r I guess I can't publish it here. It is deleted automatically. Just search on youtube Kragar Duels, and there is a link to each video. We just moved to the server kazzak (eu).
I would like to see another one of these sometime :D
Warlock is probably top 3 1v1 classes Demo is insane vs casters and affly just owns everyone else, if you try to peel, they will just heal to full with drain life + legendary, and if you try to outdmg them, you will get kited and outdmged
Yeah I’m gonna have to agree. Locks are disgusting in duels at the moment and on that note, boomy is ass in duels. Feral is absurdly good of course but boomy is god awful.
Thank you for finally not overrating warriors. I have definitely felt squishy in bgs if a healer isn't on me
I like this point of view, rather than just understanding how a class might perform in the arena.
Rogues 10/10 in WPvP, Duels, BGs, RBGs, 2v2 and 3v3.
Who would've thought.
Yeah if you sit in stealth all bg you never lose a fight lol
Don't think I have ever lost to a rogue as either ww monk, balance druid, ench shammy or ret pally. Only when really undergeared. Rogues when you know their toolkit and know your own class are very easy to counter. So this list is not that accurate.
Balance druids are the most verstile. Got cc, heals, damage, mobility and even stealth. You can beat ever class with that spec. Should be #1
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cool you guys are highlighting dalarans 5v5 1v1 duels
For real! I don’t sub wow but I love watching dalaran’s 1v1 games along w/ supatease, anboni and skillcapped videos. imagine blizzards adapting dalaran’s 5v5 1v1 format for one of the solo que games. Going back soon because of rank solo que in dragon flight. ✌🏼
I'd also love to have 5v5s back on the game, since now we have cross-faction group tools
Please make it possible to get some fame names inside dalaran gaming i love it
@@bryanbenares5798 if you want to 1v1 go outside org or SW. 1v1 will always be extremely unbalanced. 1v1 solo queue is something you think you want but actually don't.
Thanks for doing this! love this part of WoW pvp. BLIZZARD ADD MORE WORLD PVP CONTENT!
As enhance fighting monk, I usually throw down counter strike totem when they burst, then just keep earth shield on and heal. Or burst back if they suck. They usually karma after I just cap totem then eb totem fshock ghost wolf run lol, feral lunge back and finish. Beyond that example, imo Enhance is at least an 8.0 if played correctly. And honestly they are kinda like a battle mage, and destroy casters. If you have grounding totem especially. Way harder for destro locks to get you into that loop of trying to stop a fear or get CB to the face, or stop a CB to the face, get feared and take a CB anyway lol. One of the biggest downfalls I see is players not using totems at proper times. Times when its easy for the enemy to take focus off of you and on to your totems to kill them.
incredible video Skill Capped WoW Guides. I smashed the thumbs up on your video. Always keep up the fantastic work.
I know my dueling class is in the end just chilling watching the rest :>
I hope blizzard give us Rank Solo Que this expansion,I dont have desire to search for ppl..
New video POG!
Finally! Thank you for this
Old 2400 warrior here. Friends want me to come back. Is it a bad time being the end of an xpac?
You guys are killing it!
I think the reason I main DH is because it's such great fun to play. Especially in battlegrounds. I've been trying a sub rogue as an alt for about an year now, but not quite sure about it. Although it seems to be much better in theory, I just keep losing most 1vs1 situations on my rogue, while on my DH I tend to do pretty well against many randoms. (I wish more of those people played in arena =)
Rogue is maybe a bit too complicated for me. So much time critical stuff performing stun locks correctly. It's surprising how few people I manage to kill even when they don't have their trinket =). And I have a really hard time getting away if I don't have Vanish up.
Video consists of like 90% Dalaran's 5v5 1v1 streams, interesting!
And yet no link to his channel in the description. Tut tut
this helped me a lot. thank you.
Rogue is top 1 both in rated and non rated. What's new? Its been like that for several expansions now.
Love this. I hate arena, it’s boring and I suck at it. I love wpvp, duels etc
Most people dislike arena, but most of them still play it to get better gear. hopefully blizzard finally adresses the gear prohibition for ppl who simply do not want to play arena and are forced to do it to not have a disadvantage in other pvp content.
Can you make same list for wotlk please.
The quality of these videos are going down not gonna lie.
The sound is not equalized, he says huntes do damage from ranged instead of range. And he called Recuperator a pvp talent -_-
Oh my god, no way 😱😱
Arms Warrior was always weak at solo pvp. I have hope that some day they will change that.
Please take a look at that warrior. Unfortunately, he stopped playing a few weeks ago. But he is ARMS and crushes faces.
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I've been a warrior for 15 years. A good mage or hunter cannot be beaten 1v1. The other classes, you have a chance.
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15 years? You must be bald
@@iankkjangst bald, no; bad, yes
You can totally beat mages as a fury.
Solo pvp tier list for Wow LK classic pls
Hybrid paladin and dk num 1 hands down
Seeing Warrior in the bottom feels so weird...
I played both Warrior and Ferals and I have to say they're at the end of each of spectrum in solo play. Warriors are monsters with a healer, without them they drop dead in seconds. That's why double dps never works for them. Ferals on the other hand are very self sustainable and can bleed you for years while running a way and heal while they rot.
@@christiantaboada FK druids, but good caster lock/ mage or rogue will trash them anyway so they get owned as well from other classes...
I have a friend who plays havoc and he just presses W in 2v2. What can I play to help him succeed? Any double dps options? Ty.
Id say frost.mage in bgs is WAY WAY WAY stronger than any other mage specs in bgs for sure
you are absolutely right. it is night and day. sure, fire has more regen, but frost especially with lonely winter, unbreakable double frostnova, 600% cone of cold creates some serious problems as long as people are not shooting the people you freeze. Unbreakable frostnova alone can win you 1on1s by simply exhausting their escapes then nova and lance them to oblivion.
really, really, really love these please keep them going into dragonflight
Trying to figure out what race to make my Death Knight. Not choosing Orc. Which one would be better for pvp- Goblin or Darkspear Troll?
Tauren ;)
Looks like they still mean the BfA version of Warrior - whats with all those warriors that effortlessly won 5vs5 1vs1 Dalaran duels? Even way before 9.2. came out during SL. Whats with their insane toolkit, easy to use mobility and selfheal. You need an expert kiter in a duel to beat a warrior, like an expierenced feral running around a house or pillar - that does not make a 4 in each category, tbh.
Does anyone know what ui addons are being used when showing the shadow priest bg clip?
Ele Sham is the true king
I've been playing a druid since launch. I took a 10 year break but I'm back. Honestly playing a druid is like riding a bike.
Coming from a Unholy DK, i think it should be abit higher. i can 3v1 and come out ontop depending on the enemy class's.
What role does world pvp play in wow? I’m thinking about trying the game again after a long time. Never been more than very casual
Alliance gets a world pvp quest each week for some extra conquest I think. You can also hunt down players with the assassin buff for extra conquests and resources
If you guys did more stuff on duels, world PvP, and solo content, I would definitely sub.
In rated BGs, I'd say a VERY good spriest can be A tier, but most shadow players are simply awful at that form of game play. They never MD, MC, etc. I've been 2700+ in rbgs as all 3 priest specs, for over 10 years. A 2100 spriest could be replaced by by a challenger lock, boomkin, etc. It's very dependent on the player, other wise other classes do the same job with less work. Dot uptime is brutal as shadow, not enough globals to use your utility and burst while keeping up dots in a team fight. There's not much a spriest does that the 1-2 healing priests that most teams are running can't. Ie: MD and Grip. Void shift is okay on flag maps and psyfiend is a good MS that is hard to target if you're not running a warrior in your team comp. Lock's BG score should also be 10. All three specs are generally viable and affliction is the strongest it's been in BGs pretty much ever. They do 2-3x the damage of a spriest and potentially double that of a boomkin. They have the strongest caster damage output in this setting. Rift and gate are strong utilities. The lock who's gameplay you showed has a 78% win rate at 2300 cr, sure his team is good but that should be indicative of relative spec strength. 40 locks above 2k on the US ladder, 71 druids of any spec on the US ladder, including guardians, 45 boomkins. Your rating's simply aren't logcal.
I agree with most of your statements, although this list is more for "casual" play in random bgs not rbgs. They put feral as a 10 which I have to disagree. Yeah in duels they're very strong, but not 10. In bgs... not so much. I mained feral for a long time and people always prefer a rogue for solo capping. A rogue catches you in kitty/travel form and it's pretty much game over, and they can't hold a point as well in 1vX like a rogue due to the lack of sap. Like you said, Affli locks were, are and will be always the monster snowball damage dealer in bgs. Nothing comes close to it.
All shadow players in any type of content are either total gods or total trash imo 🤣
@@Adam-uu5pt reverse shaco rule, if you play league at all lmfao
shadow if played well can make the difference in rbgs, and is almost untouchable in team fights due to passive heal plus indirect group heals, but yeah most shadows dont understand that they should actually use their not so bad burst damage to pressure healers instead of trying to be affliction warlocks with meaningless spread damage that kills noone as long as healers on the other team live.
I was hoping to find a good class to play solo, im still not sure. will just stick with classic lol
Nice! Thanks for this list, I like seeing content about this side of PvP, rather than just hard focusing on competitive.
14:00 teabagging feral XD
shout out to "the other side of pvp." the standard, sweaty, dr-tracking/trinket meta just doesn't rustle my jimmies near as good as the more basic BG/RBG pvp.
less 'wow/blizz' pvp + more general 'mmo pvp' = better pvp imo; that'd be my recipe if I was king of pvp at blizz anyways
spoken like a true caster
@@SolonarTM * *clutches pearls in ret-main* * How dare you sir!
I also like ALOT more world PvP and BGs.. Since arena is MOSTLY for hit and hide, cat and mouse game, and i dont really like this type of crap.. Sure i like arenas too, when i have good partner with me, some times is fun, but since i play mostly solo, well i dont like arena, cuz most partners i have are some random baboons... Also MANY forget that there was NO F arena back in Vanila, it was ALL world pvp and BGs and i find that way of pvp to be the best... Anyway when DKs was OP i did trash 1v1 players, that could kill me ezz in arena, since they was good team, and i was with some casual moron on arena, cuz i wanted to get some rate for gear and stuff, and i lose...
There also need to be some pvp balance, for example DKs have crap OUTdated spells, while DHs for example have deff CDs on 1 min, while DK have deff CD on 3 min, if that is fair...
I agree with the vast majority of your videos.
This one? Most of it is inverted.
I don't do much in terms of rated. But in terms of casual BGs, I'm all over that sh!t. There is no way I will put warriors at the bottom. I disagree with other choices too, but warriors at the bottom is absolutely incorrect. They are, at worst, mid tier.
yea agree warriors are better than the video shows. ofcourse dueling a ret pally or a rogue you will suffer as a warr but overall they have more than enough damage and tankiness to be valuable. hell necro warriors can oneshot you no joke plus ms debuff shattering throw rallying cry
@@christtel1484 BS... ARMs is good, BUT 1v1 ARMs DIE horrible... While fury SURE have sustain, BUT it lacks dmg and it lacks the healing absorb ARMs have... So now u know WHY Warrior is on the very bottom, since as DK i can sustain myself a bit, no matter they nerfed DK healing a ton, + we as DK have anti-magic spells, so we are alot more durable vs casters, rogues, paladins ect, while warriors are NOT...
Destro lock is next to god tier in duels with a decent setting. Take it from the guy that's mained Warlock for the last 17 years and has over 40k duels won. It takes a lot of know-how and cleverness to win. There's almost nothing that I have trouble beating except a feral druid, even rogues arent a problem. Trouble with feral right now is because of all their rediculous self heals and ability to sit bear form and take no dmg. Aside from that, a good destro lock can dominate the dueling scene. I have a few secrets of my own on how I win majority of my duels
"it takes a lot of know-how and cleverness." As this vid seems to be aimed at more casual players I feel like this is the reason it is not rated as high as it could be.
destro wl is actually strong yeah, especially 1v1. due to the hardcasting it usually gets super hairy against 2 melee in bgs or world, since they can lock you down very badly, but 1on1 yeah its really strong in the hands of a good player.
Fury is pretty solid 1v1 tbh
lol
@Philip Gregory lol
I dont agree that Moonkins are good 1v1. Outside of that solid video.
Imo, they are pretty good if you run a more defensive build. Aside from high xp DKs and rogues, you can win most duels if playing properly.
Your right they aren’t “good” they are amazing
How about frost dks? They suck cause slow right?
Frost DK suck cuz is a mere shadow, of what the class overall used to be... Sure they have burst, BUT it is weaker then what hunters, paladins, mages ect have.. Also the self sustain is very crap, compared to paladins, druids and others... Also outside of pillar of frost we have literally no dmg, or very low... But is not only frost UH is the same crap, no matter UH scrub fanboys like to say how UH is better and stuff, but they are WRONG... The whole class is a meme now, even Blood DK is BAD compared to every other tank it have less dmg and less healing... FK blizzard i hope they burn in hell, as main Frost DK i am mad to play this weak class, no matter that i play very very well, i cant beat classes that are overtuned every time + in order to win every fight i need to play 150% correctly, even if the other OP class do some mistakes i may still not win...
Idk how he thnks warlocks are this bad in 1v1, i on sight kill people in world pvp all the time on affliction warlock, im not scared of any class. the 50% slow is bs to deal with, the healing u have is nuts and u can soulstone urseld during unending resolve. u also have tons of cc, also affliction doesnt need to hard cast to deal dmg, lastly if they try line u they just die to dots while u heal...
Are you talking about 60 lvl or leveling?
@@Oscar-vr1lg pvp gear 250 ilevel level 60 lock
Rogue not only topping mythic raiding dmg, tops pvp dmg too aswell and they have an endless amount of cc, this class needs a serious rebalance fucking annoying how dominant even a noob can be
Tbh stealth should only work in pve, it’s the reason rogue and Druid top 2 in bg’s. Both go down like flies though once they blow their load and have to wait for cd.
Personally id say DH should be closer to the top, the only negative said was roots and novas locking them down, after having done alot of world pvp and feeling that pain I swapped to Cleansed by flame pvp talent, that with reverse magic makes DH a monster to deal with. Not to mention pulling mobs into fights makes you raid tank worthy with meta leech and tons of souls
I find my DH way more efficient in solo pvp than my monk or pally
anybody getting into world pvp or 1vX, negating damage completely makes a good spec, Evasion, Cloak, Darkness, Blur, Bubble, Deterrence, Ice block. Basic damage reduction doesn't save you as often, even karma can be burst through now unfortunately as I used to solo pvp on monk mostly
Its probably cause you can play DH with 4 toes and zug. WW you can not and achieve the same outcome.
Cant heal behind pillers really, a lot of roots are not magic
Cds and self healing are RNG
Yea lol
Ih and you cant pull mobs that well in most dueling areas (ie in frount of stormwind there 1 critter that does nothing for u
Most of this is fair but I think rogues are more like a 9 in bgs. You can assume most of the time the rogue will try to stealth cap; While it's mega valuable it also means there's 1 less participant in your fights, and if there's more than 1 rogue it often leads to a loss because they're all sitting in stealth too often.
Yup whenever I see a match with a lot of rogues I already know it’s GG lol
Arms warriors are 4/10 absolutely. Fury has more self heal than you give credit to via Battle Trance. They also have a snare clear on a 20 second cool down. Fury is viable..
Yeah fury is nasty right now but I get what they mean, your average fury warrior is really squishy without a pocket healer.
im pretty sure i fought a rogue with the same name today
Good vid
now this is proper tier list❤
Yeah im gonna stick with enhance electro mallet Chad
Time to roll a rogue.
I miss my druid!
I miss the way DK's were in pvp way back when,was nice while it lasted
Yep.. Sadly as main Frost DK i suffer after Legion, and specially after WOD, where we had DMG and Healing real slow juggernaut, these days the class is a meme F blizzard....
@@themobster7284 I think getting rid of presences was the biggest L we took
@@ImHeatless Oooo F.... U did just remind me how pissed i am about the F DK death Aura, it was so useful before, when vs ranged use blood aura, when getting low use blood aura, rest time use UH aura for haste and speed.... Seems we wont get that damn DK auras back even in DF..
Presences/ Aura yes was bad, but i think the nerf on DS healing is even bigger crap... Sure we can use hypothermic presence + Lichborne and selfhealing abit, using the pet to sacrifice and death pact + the 50% healing rune, but still, DS heals mostly with dark succor, or if we take tons of dmg and get as low as 20-30% hp...
Prot paladin is S TIER best spec in the game.
Why?
You gave warriors a low score but fury warriors don’t die in bgs. And if they have a healer nearby, you just leave.
If a mage takes all those conduits you listed, they'll be missing a potency slot I believe.
Ok?
some facts ret paladin winning, rogue and druids kekw
And to my fellow random bgers for the love of god focus the healer first.
Xaryu said mages are awful in duels tho..
Mad
Hunters barely hav any self healing, you can line of sight all day but if you don't do damage or heal yourself up you're just delaying your own death.
Thanks for fukking ruining ARMS WARRIOR MY FAVOURITE SPECC FFS BLIZZARD
Remove the Resolve trinket from the game PLZZZZZZZ, also destro is busted :(
Glad to see doomkin getting love in bgs. My boomy does 1.5 million average damage in each bg thanks too aoe damage.
Dk ofc is on the bottom LMAO.. Not that i give 2 FKs i main Frost DK and i perform well with it, no matter it sucks... At least Warriors outside of arena are on the very bottom, but i still think the Frost DK frost Wyrm CC legendary + dead of winter + strangulate is VERY OP for 2S and specially 3S arena, since is alot of CC, and when used on the right moment means win... Also in world pvp and BGs the DK is fine for the most part, if there is at least some support, since vs the most op classes we get trashed..
DK has become a meme of a class, for that reason i will be happy some day in the near future blizzard to bankrupt...
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no one absolutely NO ONE! Is using the necrolord covenant for DH its the worst covenant of all for DH and just is a sucky ability especially in pvp when ur relying on a chance to summon a secondary target then to kill that target while ignoring the main fight to hopefully deal extra dmg on the death of the demon and heal. And DH self heal in any situation is like a warriors. What are u talking about dude
which one is the most op class?
As always ferals
@@idleague But only VS plater meles, good rogue will trash the feral, or some caster lock/ mage so i dont see how exactly feral is top tier vs classes they just cant win... If wars, DKs and paladins cant win feral most of the time, feral cant win mages and locks most of the time...
I was playing rogue and was pretty good. But on rbgs you cannot relax because everyone waiting magic from you like capping 1v2 and one shot any flag keeper. On arena need to be handy. Now play destro warlock. On rbgs just relaxing by slowing down enemies fearing and killings with burst. On arena ye everyone want to kill me but if I got a chance to cast it's just erase anyone. So ye maybe rogue is higher but lock much more relax and fun. And need to click 3 buttons to destroy people without complicated setups etc. Besides that lock is more flexible for 3x3. Take any caster and gg. Rogue just rmp boring.. just imho. So play the class that you really enjoy 🔥🔥🔥
Hi! What are these 3 buttons? And what about affli?
@@Oscar-vr1lg just collect 4 pieces of set activate all burst spells and spam chaos bolt. And gg. It's much more easy then rogue 😅
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this guy said warrior is the strongest and the weakest class altogether
OFC... ARMs War is insane BUT need healer, cuz they dont have self healing. So what he says is Warrior is OP with healer, but solo they die like fly..
SoloQ PUHGGERS
for now
bet you he plays a druid....
HOLY PALADIN?????
but but but arcane!! :(
Rbgs next!
ROGUE
Warrior 4/10 on BG? This seems strange...
Seems about right. He’s not talking about against dumb bgers who just let the warrior have a pocket healer all game
Love how you keep calling rated battleground .. random bg
This list is super off. I used to watch these videos a lot but the more I play the more I question if you guys actually play the game haha. You put warrior at bottom when fury is absolutely unkillable in small scale content. DK below everything else would be fine if you specified frost dk. Unholy can decimate people with their new passives and legos that increase pet damage. DH below druid, hunter and monk is laughable. They heal too much for nothing and deal too much damage especially with necrolord covenant which heals for half their hp. Druid should be mid tier outside of healer. Ret is great for bubbles and even with the heal nerf can still heal for half their hp instantly. Rogue is on top as always so at least you got a couple right.
Fury unkilleable xD. Not trying to offend or somethinf, but u know nowadays "all" classes can outrange and play with a warrior like a toy if you know your class just a bit?. ofc better warrior wins agains rly bad lets say mage or feral or paladin... But just decent not even on the same lvl than the warrior, you just play with him while killing him. They cant heal against what they cant touch. But yeah bad players look at fury as unkilleable ones xD.
@@pablobg3022 They have decent lockdown now and slaughterhouse is pretty good. Their tier set bonus and legendaries add a pretty effective damage boost. For a solo player fury warrior is great. Night fae and bastion both are good choices to help with securing your damage and healing. Classes that beat them are the insanely mobile or ret pally. And that's only in 1v1. Paired with a healer or a lockdown character like rogue or mage or DH is absurd to deal with. They may not be the best, but right now their damage is crazy and for a solo player as the video states they are an excellent choice.
I think this list is about the potential of the class, in the hands of a good player. Most of us just suck, even if we think highly of ourselves.
if you watch AWC you see druids doing insane self healing, sometimes more than damage, warrior being kitted all game, etc
@@devonhoward8620 BS UH DK is about the same crap.. Sure they use these crap pets, but Frost DK also have good burst and stuff.. The whole DK as a class SUCK no matter what UH fanboys may say, UH got nerfed too, this is not BFA, but SL...
And Fury may be good for 1v1, and still DEPEND vs what exactly... If Fury face some OP crap like rogue, feral/ balance, caster or specially paladin they are just DED very DED... Also in arena Fury will perform BAD compared to how ARMs will perform in arena or general with healer that is why they rank warriors below us DKs, since DK can somehow win some dual DPS arenas and stuff and sustain itself, while Warrios suck since fury is bad but have sustain, while ARMs is very good, but no sustain... ALSO Frost DK is STRONGER for arena compared to UH, is simple UH got nerfs to necrotic strike, so it does not much for them these days + Frost DK can have total of x4 big CCs for vs healers that would be the Frost Wyrm aoe stun, the remorseless winter stun, strangulate cc and hard stun or blinding sleet, HOW exactly will u win arena against this kind of crap x4 CCs ? When played correctly these CCs can win the arena match and i did win many Arenas with healer, when i managed to use all of these CCs one after another, and if the healer did waste his trinket on the first CC since i was bursting on him, then i did use second cc, so he have no trinket prob, and if he use some baseline spell i have x3 cc and then final x4 cc, some times i cant land a kill, but some times the healer just cant handle so much nasty CC... And imagine CC >>>>> DMG and stuff, since when u do tons of dmg but not much cc the enemy can use some deff and still survive or kai and run away and stuff.. But frost DK also have good burst, and alot of CC, that comes ALOT better then what UH offers.. NOT to mention UH and their pets feel like plate warlock CRAP, and if u want to see the truth go watch swifty arena legends hansol R1 mage vs R1 UH DK, he wont 1-2 duels ONLY when he did trash the UH pets, and GG the UH cant do SHHT... So pls dont talk me about UH DK the spec is CRAP, and was crap since Wrath, sadly Blood DK DPS was gone after Wrath, but the UH was not sadly..
@@themobster7284 this is like 3 patches ago and I don't really want to read lol. Not trying to be rude at all. I just saw the length of that and I'm too lazy. At the moment in DF, DK is A-S tier for arenas so they can't be that bad of a class. They have huge damage, decent self survival and good constant pressure with silences, stuns, perma slow, grip, and necrotic wounds. The only thing they lack is team utility outside of amz.
Such bullshit about warrior xD Pick god damn Second Wind and necro covenant. First - you can fear enemy and move back to get your hp to 100%. He trinkets fear? Now you can smack him during storm bolt. Or you can play with leaper leggo so you always be able to back off and heal. Second - damage taken on fleshcraft DOESNT COUNT as damage taken to prevent second wind from activating. What does that mean? If you manage to get fleshcraft shield up while you are low hp, you gonna get back to 100% before enemy breaks the shield.
World pvp is different and thats why you need different solutions, not just playing it with your arena setup and saying "WAR BAD"
One of the worst videos lol
Found the warrior