I was just thinking that. I’m a PVE player that spams BGs for fun and I am picking my Alts solely on how they play in BGs. There isn’t many good BG content stuff like this out there
@@mysticalplatypus87 not a pain at all! I tend to just watch vids on classes that I'm interested in doing pvp with and learning by observing. I know its not exactly a guide, but thats how i do it
@@mikeanderson1246 rogue with self heals? Sounds like a feral druid to me... As a feral and rogue player, can i recommend you try feral? They are incredible in solo bgs. Actually feels a fair bit more powerful than rogues in bgs tbh... Also your objective play is great. Stealth dps for ninja cap or defence. Flag carrier. Off heals. Etc.
who am i if i said savix during his best moment was being like one of the youngest streamers that was vocal playing and all GMS of wow especially those who released vanilla always payed alot of attention to their customers. Like some players were so young u heard their parents screaming in the other room always happened to the asian kids 6.6
This is literally a bunch of bs, if you made a choice based off of this video weI wouldn't be surprised if your still trying for 1400. Warriors 4/10, omegalul
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WAS LOOKING FOR. Concise, to the point, detailed, multi perceptive angles, scenario based situations. Love this analysis. You nailed it. Subbed.
This is really the kind of video i think most people need, learning how efficient classes are in different scenarios of gameplay, because that really should impact a players choice on class choice more than DPS meters, best class", or pvp/pve rankings., it may be almost irrelevant if the player doesn't play that content. I been playing a long time, and I main'd a warrior, worst decision ever as a mostly solo player. Paladin was a better choice for me after years of disappointment. Also, other classes provide a lot of fun depending on your playstyle, just have to keep an open-mind.
No worries buddy I been a ret main whole life thought warriors would be a better choice for pvp in shadowlands and it turns out ret is in a better spot now lol at least for bgs
And arena with 2v2 and 3v3 composition Tier. That kind of Vidz help new or old/new players joining shadowland to see what's the meta looks like and wich class fit the best our attempts.
I really wish RBG's were popular. I missed the entire wave. I got to do a few during BFA one week for conquest cap and they were incredible. I cant imagine how cool being in a guild focused on RBG's would be and to be in voice chat during them and super coordinated. I dont understand why RBGs are dead
@@artifact1711 Well dead is kind of a big word. Not just popular as Arena i'll said and less rewarding than arena. (Arena reward Faster and just need to be 2 players coordinate or max not ten :s)
Awesome video guys, please provide more content like that, we are really lacking that quality on all TH-cam. The only bad thing is that I will have to change my main on SL (sad warrior noises).
Blizz ruined duels in Legion by allowing Legendaries and no PvP talents. Should be much better in Shadowlands I hope. Duelling is how you learn class interactions. Duelling congregates players in one area. This has not happened in 2 expansions. People don't understand that an MMO is about players congregating. Duelling was the most natural way to do this. Hope Blizz learns.
The dueling people have never left the outside of Org/SW, they’ve been hanging out there dueling in every expansion, not sure what you’re talking about. There are even dedicated communities who hang out in the Dalaran Underbelly all day and night like absolute weirdos.
@@thelittlestgiant Dueling is a lot less common now. There are still people who duel in goldshire but not nearly as many as there used to be. Pretty much no one duels outside of SW anymore.
@@wawatooki I flew there every day to extinguish the alliance wicker man for Hallow’s End daily quests. There was a decent sized group out there every single day for the entire event, all at different times of the day. Maybe your cross-realm server group is dead or something, lol.
@@thelittlestgiant Ya only during events. I'm on a high pop realm and I almost never see anyone outside of the stormwind gates unless there's an event.
Extremely entertaining and informative video! Thanks for another one fellas! I just started leveling a priest in pre patch and its been a lot of fun. My main has been WW monk for years. Nothing beats demounting mid air and then instant casting zen flight to mount up on something different. For me that makes monks 10/10 until they remove that party trick lol.
Fantastic video, I've been looking for information like this for along time. Almost all wow pvp info resources are based around arena. This is only one aspect of pvp and as its been mentioned hear a few times, there is a need for showcasing this other info. This will really help players make choices based around their play style. 100% Keep this going. Thank you!
I strongly disagree with the statement about warlocks. specifically demonology. for a 1vs 1 have found it incredibly powerful especially with how now it is easier to burst earlier if you have a methodical player, (I have a method I follow for each class I face basically due to trial and error) as well as the cc the pet brings along with fears and mortal coil. I only play demo in arenas now Because I want to show the spec isnt useless even though it is still considered the worst for pvp.
Like seriously. When he said warlock sucks in duels I immediately thought of demonology. Just spawns an army of demons and they rot you down. Can't kite them, can't kill them. It's horrible. I play a mage...
Love it when Skill Capped does anything non-arena. I subbed in Legion but let it go cause the BG info seemed to either have their announced upcoming content delayed week after week or it simply didn’t exist I get it though. The rated BG scene is trash If you are big-time into arenas, I highly recommend you spend some cash on skill capped because the content for that gameplay is really good
This is exactly the kind of video I guarantee that the majority of your viewers (like me) find useful! There are not that many people who actually play arena, especially not at a semi-professional level, and those players who are at that high a level probably already know how to play their class pretty well. Most of us are casual pvp players that join random BGs and do world pvp so PLEASE make more videos like this!!!
Yeaahh unfortunately I'm locked into warrior because of raiding (I'm the only warrior on our raid team, need at least 1) so I'll be doing the same bitching :(
I finally gave up on my warrior I have been playing since BC, rerolled to an unholy dk, warriors have been completely dodged since beginning of WOD and it's very clear blizzard couldn't care less.
@@Jovahkiiin I think my fury warrior in Legion was some of the most fun I've had with this game ever, they nailed it then. Otherwise I agree, though, it's been pretty subpar.
I would add another variable to this for the common mortals: skill floor. Even if it's only high/medium/low. Of course I take the words of Venruki, Cdew or Bajheera about how good a class will be in the expansion but can't help to think how unrealistic is to perform similarly without considering the skill level.
An extremely informative video for a casual like me who wasn't sure which secondary character to choose for general PvP. Thanks mates for all the effort you put in preparing this :)
Agree on the warrior. As a Windwalker monk I'm actually quite happy when i run on a warr in world pvp / battleground, because it's free honor, love standing in their bladestorm with my touch of karma, i made a game to myself to see if i can finish them up before they finish spinning.
If a Warrior see the big Karma alert over their head and doesn't cancel their Bladestorm, the issue there isn't the class, its the player. They'd be free honor _regardless_ of the class they played.
When did he say 7/10 for BGs? I thought they just forgot to mention the BG score and went straight to the overall score, meaning BGs would have to be 4/10.
@@florencep2209 score for BGs appears exactly before frame change and its 7/10. Why it must be 4/10? Monks good in AOE and good with survivability, thay can do some crazy things on bgs. And thay can 1v2 solo no problems sometimes.
@@engine_doctor I assumed 4/10 because if overall is 7/10 aka 21/30, and we already know 8/10 and 9/10 which equals 17/20, there's 4 left for 21/30 which equals 7/10 overall rating.
Just to add on my 2c to some of the classes I'm playing most right now: Warlock: Great team utility with Soulstone and Healthstones. Druid: All-around hybrid toolkit really shines in CTF maps like Warsong and Twin Peaks. Can get the flag across quickly like a Rogue and then Bear form with Guardian affinity is fairly tanky when you have to sit at base and hold.
Great video! As much as I love rated competitive arenas, the CORE of healthy PvP should be good solo-able content. Nice to see a breakdown of how each class fares in it!
Tho i'd say, feral most of the time has been the best duel class ever, virtually beats anyting in 1v1. Had some harder matchup over the past ( like frost mages in MOP, or rogue at some extension ), but overall you almost never loose in duel as a good feral. I was like at 90% winrate over 3k duels on my nelf feral, never saw any rogue reach even close to that, nor even a rogue beats me on a regular basis. Stuff have changed on shadowland tho, but rogue won't be as much of a threat opposed to what they are now once pvp power kicks in.
He's talking about their max potential. Played by GOOD players that know how to react and counter. Noobs like the guy that answered you, will always blame the game their incompetence...
Well, my 2.2k rating arena partner loses 90% of duels vs equally skilled melee. Even with demon armor added in mid BFA they still suck hard vs almost all melee.
I've seen Blizo dueling, Arms definitely is really good when you know the stuff, I't 4/10 for novice and maybe some 6.7/10 for not novice or something, even if you don't proc a Slam to just knock the guy out with an overhand right. Just need to line all abilities up well vs all classes, the posish is pretty much W ofc, but as we can Bandage or wait for Ignore Pain, sometimes that will already mean some footwork. Reflecting the best spell, parrying the best spell, pre-rallying a cc that would kill, pre-rallying the end of bladestorm as nothing else to press and potentially might also get CCed into death, rallying the Victory Rush if killing some pet, disarming the best burst window, fearing the best burst window, stunning the best burst window, Leaping from the best burst window, using a howl as a rage-free snare or a delayed snare to break distance, pre-sweeping strikes vs pets, Avataring roots, knowing when to use Hamstring as some enemies at some moments won't get away anyway with whatever fancy footwork and knowing their CDs will tell when. And, ofc, if you are in world PvP vs players who are not ready to face a good player despite themselves being an initiator, ofc you will beat even a mage, mm hunter or a ww monk, they will just not be ready for some of your actions, boom, that's the window. The worst is an affliction lock with teleport and gates to a high place from the ground, a place that a charge cannot climb as too far/no path. That one is pure kaput unless lock forgets to port or DCs or his mouse fails to click gates because you're so big that cover them :> P.S.: So ye, Arms is good, but just do everything right 4Head Just play ideal 4Head Maybe not for novice player, but can do stuff if going madskillz :>
Thank you for all ur efforts over the years, been using u as a resource as long as can remember. I I'd love to other pvp content! I spend most my days in random epic bgs and wpvp. If you need or like a nother hand I'm here for ya, healer main. I play them all
I really enjoyed this video! Could you guys do a video describing what you need to make compositions work? Like what to look for when pairing classes together and why some combinations just don’t work
Also Warriors, if you have a guild mate or want to ask in /1 or /2 for a healer to que for bgs for then you can have a way different time. if you use the social aspect of the game and recruit a "pocket healer" to stick on you in bgs then it becomes a different more fun story. I realized topic of the vid though is straight up solo though; hence the title lol.
I don’t think it should be a “tier list”, but more of an “introduction / expectation” for classes. In my opinion the way this list is put just baits players to choosing something that pros play. Plus, some of the basis for analysis are purely subjective. For instance DKs being kinda off “ok” in BGs is insanely misleading, specially when we’re talking about normal queue. DKs can be insanely disruptive to the opposing team, for instance when you drop an AMZ in a strategic position, and then your team can capitalize on that damage reduction. And I’m not even considering the augmented zone (with the pvp talent). W Priests are definitely good now too.. as someone whose first “serious character” was a priest back in the transition between BC and WotLK I do feel like we’re in a good shape atm, but I wouldn’t chose a priest over a warlock in a BG for example. The way it’s put in here it makes it feel like we’ became unstoppable killing machines in BGs which can skirmish the fuck out of the other players. Which is not the case. For example, our CCs are locked behind a considerable CD wall... and CC’ing could be the difference between capping or not a flag. Warlocks on the other hand can spam fear on different targets, aoe stun, spell lock with pets, and even havoc / fear - coil. Plus, there’s another huge factor... and to be honest, the most important one my opinion, and the reason behind the name... “Skill cap”. A priest who can’t death poli / blind etc.. is not gonna last long. A rogue is just as good as a mob in a bg if he doesn’t know who to cc, when, where and when they should smokeb, etc. the “list” goes on. Not saying the vid is bad... just think it should explain these points better.. At least that’s my opinion.
Whats missleading on that tier list, is the wpvp rating it is entirely false, no matter how you look at it. You can easily tell, that top arena players hardly every played wpvp, seriously. I don't blame them, there are no real rewards or a rating, but come on.....throwing dices for wpvp balance is no tthe way how to do things here. Wpvp is vastly different from instanced pvp! For example, the tier list states, DKs are worser in wpvp than duels in SL, but a dk is the only class to have access to control undead! I did test the elite undeads under the control of any dk spec and they got aoe dmg that hits like a truck and many cc abilities on range. Most moblity issues are covered by engineering and potions and dark succor makes DS actually heal in bursts after killing a weak mob. There is simply no way, a dk can have a worser rating in solo wpvp than duels, class mechanics and current expansion environment do not allow it. As long as control undead works on undead elites in warmode, which are plenty in the prepatch event and in the shadowlands, the dk is 10+++ for solo wpvp, until people are outgearing the elite undeads entirely in a few patches. In beta in max gear and max hp at lvl 60 you get 4 autohits if you wear plate armor and you die, while gettin gripped by the pet and slows.(all elite pet) I hope this really goes live! :)
More of these solo PvP videos please as things progress. Maybe videos with each one. Talents and stat priority they should be rolling vs just showing what should be for arenas.
pala is for sure more dangerous then dh, druid, monk. feel like it goes spriest>sub>ret>everything else. i might be wrong tho :)). i base my ranking on what im afraid of fighting the most regardless what class im playing . ofc assuming the enemy knows what he is doing.
Spriests lack some decent defensive CDs, in 1vs1 situation we're unkillable for like 20sec or so if no one interrupts, but in 1vs2 situation spriests are usually dead, especially when facing some melee classes, that can interrupt your casts by positioning
Blizzard back in the day: Yes.. you can get pretty decent gear while doing BG's and pvp. It isn't suitable for raiding but it's a good for a pvper and fine for dungeons. Blizzard 2020: No... you can't get good gear from random BG's. We only cater to mythic raiders now... the rest of you can jump off. FYI... RMP looks like it's STILL the same OP comp it has been for the last 14 years in arenas minus OP demon hunters who were finally nerfed after dominating everything for the entire time they were in game.
@@ppsarrakis yeah but like the rogue. even if it's the best pvp class you can play, the skillcap is way higher and some people will play it because "it's the best" but will do very poorly because they use 40% of the class potential.
Marksman is so fun in BGs! You stand still and press 1 button! Meanwhile Survival hunter has a reset engage on kills and is a burst/cleanup teamfight specialist. That also has lots of outplay potential. Along with a rotation of uses for bombs. Using procs or saving them for a well timed burst or for focus recovery. Or just drool on yourself and aimed shot for so much fun.
I love BGs, better than anything...I would like to see more BG content...and hopefully somehow this A..hole raider (Ion) that has killed PvP and especially BGs is replaced as lead game designer.
Since i main warrior im not coming back for this expansion for a pleseant experience. Is anything being done to rework the class? like rock-paper-scissors, warrior beats rogue. If a cluncky class has no escape then make it way tankier, like in the vanilla.
Anyone know what the addon Oxxy is using to announce dispels/interrupts or is it just a WA ? I think it also tells you if your abilities miss, etc. Would love to find it out :)
please do a video about potential new pvp modes, i'd love for more momentum for solo queue rbgs and solo queue 3s and 2s. It would greatly improve my gaming experience.
"neither feral or boomy can have a real effect onthe outcome of the fight in bg" say that to my boomy, 1.2 million dmg done in bg with 25-0 kills and 2nd most healing "cough"
Any class in the right hands can do extremely well. What I think he getting at is any random player picking up a new class may struggle in some areas of pvp
Also prepatch is so broken. Boom can global people with incarn and starsurge also the azerite interactions with haste and VoP procs giving insane aoe with shooting stars is 100% unbalanced
Thats fine but he included covenants, legendaries etc so safe to assume hes talking about these more in the context of SL. Unless, of course, you are talking about beta as well.
Agreed with OP. You can pick whether it's more fitting to rot with Starfall or ST burst with Starsurge, which I find very valuable in BGs. You got Typhoon which can be abused in some maps pretty well, you can Vortex enemy healers in a bad spot, you buff the entire team with 12% crit and can emergency ress healers with combat ress - how is that not a real effect on the outcome of the fight lol... It's a bit hard for me to agree with the BG ranking of druid when they ranked affli and SPs higher based purely on their spread pressure xD Also I disagree with them rating rogues above druids in world pvp, their reasoning being rogues can pick a fight. And druid cant? Once rogue uses vanish he's dead in anything bigger than 1v1. Druid is unrootable, unslowable, can kite forever, take advantage of elevation (wild charge+flap on boomy is SUPER strong) and if youre a night elf, you can also "vanish" out by meld+prowl or meld+flight form (granted that wont be available in SL zones at launch but still worth mentioning). The stuff druids can do in Wpvp rogues can only dream of. All in all, I'd give druids an easy 9 for BGs and 10 for world pvp. I agree with the duels though the moment you introduce a pillar, a feral is truly a force to be reckoned with
If you believe it? Sub got always sledge hammer nerfed early into an expansion, their burst gets toned down for sure. And its unlikely assassin can keep up with the other S tier dds. outlaw is complete garbage. This is just beta/prepatch clownfiesta.
@@zeusapollo6504 He said rogues as a class. Rogues have been broken from launch, they always have at least one god spec. In older expansions armour used to be somewhat of a counter to them, but blizzard through that out the window. Blizzard likes the idea of plate wearers having less survivability than leather and cloth classes.
@@AmabarThats true, but judging from past expierences, between leather classes, rogue isn't the only one with a 10 when it comes to duels. Pikaboo played assassin and sub and that will be the same meta in SL as outlaw does not cut it. Don't see any crucial changes in favor for sub either, op stuff was quickly nerfed like that shadowstrike legendary. th-cam.com/video/xpUjD9WTqPo/w-d-xo.html
If blizzard is intent on having us do 88 hours at a 50% win rate on bgs and blizzard just time gated bg gear upgrades beinf renown 7. I'm just going to play my bm Hunter and nothing else. Shadowlands is not alt friendly
@Paul Nobert very I can tell you one thing if it goes live like it is for bgs once classic tbc is out I won't log in to retail again until the next expansion
@@GlycerinGaming not really renown isn't account wide you have to grind it all over again.to get to rank 7 renown is a 3 week time gate......... Let that sink in.
I do think and might even prove that rogue is fairly beatable as uh dk. Especially a human one. I have never struggled up against rogues, considering that I have dueled every one from 1800 to 3k cr and exp.
me neither but i mained manily rogues and unholy dks.....and i also thinkg unholy dk is way better in bgs as well. in wpvp we can use now control undead on serveral undead elites in SL zones, so in reality rogues are only better in arena games.
Honestly i love my warrior. I've also been kicking ass in max lvl pvp as a fury warrior. People need to remember that the use of all your abilities plays a huge factor to not just your damage. An example being like poping ignore pain right when a rouge starts his rotation on you, then you pot and your back to full health while the rouge is now on the defensive.
One week before this video was uploaded, this very same channel released another video called “Best PVP Melee in Shadowlands.” In that video they said arms warrior was A tier, top tier, highest ranked. In this video they said it’s a 4/10 for all PVP content. Wtf?
@@ItsSnacktyme So they suck in everything but arena? 😒 Additionally, what makes them so good in arena? I feel like there are plenty of absurdly OP classes that would just be outright better in any content, such as paladin..
Oh this is great! as a casual pvper who mostly does solo BGs it's really hard to find content that isn't Arena related, please do more of this!
I was just thinking that. I’m a PVE player that spams BGs for fun and I am picking my Alts solely on how they play in BGs. There isn’t many good BG content stuff like this out there
Very much this.
Same here!!
this is for sure me too.
TYVM! More like this would be appreciated.
More stuff like this please. Not everyone is a pro-arena player. Some content on RBGs specifically would be great
Couldn’t agree more. Sorry to be a pain but do you know of any other videos that go into battleground beginner guides?
@@mysticalplatypus87 agree, because the skill gap even in lower lv bg is sometimes too big, we need a good guide about it
I love solo bg the most, it’s the main reason I play WoW, I wish rogues had more self heals
@@mysticalplatypus87 not a pain at all! I tend to just watch vids on classes that I'm interested in doing pvp with and learning by observing. I know its not exactly a guide, but thats how i do it
@@mikeanderson1246 rogue with self heals? Sounds like a feral druid to me... As a feral and rogue player, can i recommend you try feral? They are incredible in solo bgs. Actually feels a fair bit more powerful than rogues in bgs tbh... Also your objective play is great. Stealth dps for ninja cap or defence. Flag carrier. Off heals. Etc.
Please keep the non-arena PvP content coming. Love the guide and agree with just about all of it
I can’t believe this exists hehe. Tier lists like this should be made frequently 🙂
May need updated one
Ye if you do every week a new one xd
who am i if i said savix during his best moment was being like one of the youngest streamers that was vocal playing and all GMS of wow especially those who released vanilla always payed alot of attention to their customers. Like some players were so young u heard their parents screaming in the other room always happened to the asian kids 6.6
This is literally a bunch of bs, if you made a choice based off of this video weI wouldn't be surprised if your still trying for 1400. Warriors 4/10, omegalul
@@DailyPVP totally agree
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WAS LOOKING FOR. Concise, to the point, detailed, multi perceptive angles, scenario based situations. Love this analysis. You nailed it. Subbed.
This is really the kind of video i think most people need, learning how efficient classes are in different scenarios of gameplay, because that really should impact a players choice on class choice more than DPS meters, best class", or pvp/pve rankings., it may be almost irrelevant if the player doesn't play that content. I been playing a long time, and I main'd a warrior, worst decision ever as a mostly solo player. Paladin was a better choice for me after years of disappointment. Also, other classes provide a lot of fun depending on your playstyle, just have to keep an open-mind.
fite me billyReady
Agreed
No worries buddy I been a ret main whole life thought warriors would be a better choice for pvp in shadowlands and it turns out ret is in a better spot now lol at least for bgs
Can we get the odd video on RBG meta / strats when SL season 1 starts. Lets bring back RBGs!
And arena with 2v2 and 3v3 composition Tier. That kind of Vidz help new or old/new players joining shadowland to see what's the meta looks like and wich class fit the best our attempts.
I really wish RBG's were popular. I missed the entire wave. I got to do a few during BFA one week for conquest cap and they were incredible. I cant imagine how cool being in a guild focused on RBG's would be and to be in voice chat during them and super coordinated. I dont understand why RBGs are dead
@@artifact1711 Well dead is kind of a big word. Not just popular as Arena i'll said and less rewarding than arena. (Arena reward Faster and just need to be 2 players coordinate or max not ten :s)
With the last update to the pvp system, it will def be back! Ohjoy!
@@ElNicopewpew !!!!!!!!!
Thank you for catering towards solo players. This was a pleasant surprise. Please keep this up.
nice to see something else than Arena. really wish everythin wassent so arena focused in wow.
Awesome video guys, please provide more content like that, we are really lacking that quality on all TH-cam. The only bad thing is that I will have to change my main on SL (sad warrior noises).
Thank you!! Finally a pvp breakdown that isnt bogged down with insane gear load outs and minutia which casuals like me just cant keep up with
Great video; while I enjoy arenas, solo bgs are what I play the most so its good to know where each class stands in various PvP content.
I played rogue solo throughout the entire BC xpac, and it was probably the most fun I've ever had in the game. All I did was battlegrounds BTW.
Fantastic video, it's my favorite way to play and there's just no content for it. Thanks ! If you guys kept this up to date i'd love it.
Blizz ruined duels in Legion by allowing Legendaries and no PvP talents. Should be much better in Shadowlands I hope. Duelling is how you learn class interactions. Duelling congregates players in one area. This has not happened in 2 expansions. People don't understand that an MMO is about players congregating. Duelling was the most natural way to do this. Hope Blizz learns.
Damn I must have spent weeks dueling in vanilla, learning my little lock. So much fun, and all that dueling made me own in world pvp.
The dueling people have never left the outside of Org/SW, they’ve been hanging out there dueling in every expansion, not sure what you’re talking about. There are even dedicated communities who hang out in the Dalaran Underbelly all day and night like absolute weirdos.
@@thelittlestgiant Dueling is a lot less common now. There are still people who duel in goldshire but not nearly as many as there used to be. Pretty much no one duels outside of SW anymore.
@@wawatooki I flew there every day to extinguish the alliance wicker man for Hallow’s End daily quests. There was a decent sized group out there every single day for the entire event, all at different times of the day. Maybe your cross-realm server group is dead or something, lol.
@@thelittlestgiant Ya only during events. I'm on a high pop realm and I almost never see anyone outside of the stormwind gates unless there's an event.
Extremely entertaining and informative video! Thanks for another one fellas!
I just started leveling a priest in pre patch and its been a lot of fun. My main has been WW monk for years. Nothing beats demounting mid air and then instant casting zen flight to mount up on something different. For me that makes monks 10/10 until they remove that party trick lol.
Fantastic video, I've been looking for information like this for along time. Almost all wow pvp info resources are based around arena. This is only one aspect of pvp and as its been mentioned hear a few times, there is a need for showcasing this other info. This will really help players make choices based around their play style. 100% Keep this going. Thank you!
this was the type of video i needed. I want to get heavy into 1v1 duels and BGs again before I'd ever attempt arena play. thank you.
I strongly disagree with the statement about warlocks. specifically demonology. for a 1vs 1 have found it incredibly powerful especially with how now it is easier to burst earlier if you have a methodical player, (I have a method I follow for each class I face basically due to trial and error) as well as the cc the pet brings along with fears and mortal coil. I only play demo in arenas now Because I want to show the spec isnt useless even though it is still considered the worst for pvp.
link armory?
demo is superior to affliction in duels.
i play demo since 5 MOP. We will show them what demo can do :)
I'm demo, and I dominate in solo and 2s.
Mackdakilla-fenris
Like seriously. When he said warlock sucks in duels I immediately thought of demonology.
Just spawns an army of demons and they rot you down. Can't kite them, can't kill them. It's horrible.
I play a mage...
Thank you gret dude this is what excites me but no one has thought of making a video about it so far i love you
Supatese has a dueling class video! He’s been pushing tier list content for some time check him out :)
Feels abit outdated, could we have an updated list?
Love it when Skill Capped does anything non-arena.
I subbed in Legion but let it go cause the BG info seemed to either have their announced upcoming content delayed week after week or it simply didn’t exist
I get it though. The rated BG scene is trash
If you are big-time into arenas, I highly recommend you spend some cash on skill capped because the content for that gameplay is really good
Are you SkillCapped? Cus you're a walking advertisment :P
@@joachimvaara even though I said I cancelled my sub like 3 years ago? Lol
@@Kwyn76 ye cus u said to spend cash on skill capped
Yoo can we get an updated vid on this?
This is exactly the kind of video I guarantee that the majority of your viewers (like me) find useful! There are not that many people who actually play arena, especially not at a semi-professional level, and those players who are at that high a level probably already know how to play their class pretty well. Most of us are casual pvp players that join random BGs and do world pvp so PLEASE make more videos like this!!!
Fantastic video.
Information and editing on point.
No dribble. Just relevance. Great job.
i'm going to play warrior and then bit*ch about it at the formus.
Yeaahh unfortunately I'm locked into warrior because of raiding (I'm the only warrior on our raid team, need at least 1) so I'll be doing the same bitching :(
I finally gave up on my warrior I have been playing since BC, rerolled to an unholy dk, warriors have been completely dodged since beginning of WOD and it's very clear blizzard couldn't care less.
@@Jovahkiiin I think my fury warrior in Legion was some of the most fun I've had with this game ever, they nailed it then. Otherwise I agree, though, it's been pretty subpar.
So far my arms warrior has been pretty killer in 1v1. Not sure why he's rated lowest.
@@danieljones3606 players you’ve faced may not good at their classes.
I would add another variable to this for the common mortals: skill floor. Even if it's only high/medium/low.
Of course I take the words of Venruki, Cdew or Bajheera about how good a class will be in the expansion but can't help to think how unrealistic is to perform similarly without considering the skill level.
One for Solo-Healers! I can't decide which healer use for bg's in shadowlands. !!!
Disc, then disc, then rdruid or disc
Disc priest lmao then S priest for fun dps
Tremendous PvP video. The community desperately needs more from y'all
An extremely informative video for a casual like me who wasn't sure which secondary character to choose for general PvP. Thanks mates for all the effort you put in preparing this :)
Agree on the warrior. As a Windwalker monk I'm actually quite happy when i run on a warr in world pvp / battleground, because it's free honor, love standing in their bladestorm with my touch of karma, i made a game to myself to see if i can finish them up before they finish spinning.
If a Warrior see the big Karma alert over their head and doesn't cancel their Bladestorm, the issue there isn't the class, its the player. They'd be free honor _regardless_ of the class they played.
@@andrewshandle very true
Let me sum it up for you. If you try hard play the meta Rogue, Mage ,Priest. If you just want to enjoy game play what is fun to YOU.
most bitchboi classes since classic
Perfect video! Thanks guys, from a Wpvper and BGer.
I really don´t get the total rank for monks. 9/10, 8/10, 7/10 and total 7/10? shouldn´t it be 8/10?!
I came here to say the exact same thing lol
When did he say 7/10 for BGs? I thought they just forgot to mention the BG score and went straight to the overall score, meaning BGs would have to be 4/10.
@@florencep2209 score for BGs appears exactly before frame change and its 7/10. Why it must be 4/10? Monks good in AOE and good with survivability, thay can do some crazy things on bgs. And thay can 1v2 solo no problems sometimes.
@@engine_doctor I assumed 4/10 because if overall is 7/10 aka 21/30, and we already know 8/10 and 9/10 which equals 17/20, there's 4 left for 21/30 which equals 7/10 overall rating.
Unbound is being removed. And I don't understand why all the footage was from prepatch at 50. Seems useless. Why not 60?
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Just to add on my 2c to some of the classes I'm playing most right now:
Warlock: Great team utility with Soulstone and Healthstones.
Druid: All-around hybrid toolkit really shines in CTF maps like Warsong and Twin Peaks. Can get the flag across quickly like a Rogue and then Bear form with Guardian affinity is fairly tanky when you have to sit at base and hold.
I love the addition of "more coordinated" at 0:38
Great video! As much as I love rated competitive arenas, the CORE of healthy PvP should be good solo-able content. Nice to see a breakdown of how each class fares in it!
Tho i'd say, feral most of the time has been the best duel class ever, virtually beats anyting in 1v1. Had some harder matchup over the past ( like frost mages in MOP, or rogue at some extension ), but overall you almost never loose in duel as a good feral. I was like at 90% winrate over 3k duels on my nelf feral, never saw any rogue reach even close to that, nor even a rogue beats me on a regular basis. Stuff have changed on shadowland tho, but rogue won't be as much of a threat opposed to what they are now once pvp power kicks in.
Maaan u reminded me of Frost MOP i was a god damn monster back then.
Another solid video from Skillcapped, thanks guys
"warlocks are just not cut out for dueling"
Yeah and still anyone you beat, no matter how bad they play, will go "oh lock is still stupidly op huh".
Nope locks are op af
He's talking about their max potential. Played by GOOD players that know how to react and counter. Noobs like the guy that answered you, will always blame the game their incompetence...
Warlocks 5/10 in duels.. his gameplay has the warlock win the duel at 100% hp and never drop below 90%
Well, my 2.2k rating arena partner loses 90% of duels vs equally skilled melee. Even with demon armor added in mid BFA they still suck hard vs almost all melee.
Will there be a updated version at some point? Or is everything expected to be the same?
Excellent video, i was looking for a vid like this for ages, good job!
I've seen Blizo dueling, Arms definitely is really good when you know the stuff, I't 4/10 for novice and maybe some 6.7/10 for not novice or something, even if you don't proc a Slam to just knock the guy out with an overhand right. Just need to line all abilities up well vs all classes, the posish is pretty much W ofc, but as we can Bandage or wait for Ignore Pain, sometimes that will already mean some footwork. Reflecting the best spell, parrying the best spell, pre-rallying a cc that would kill, pre-rallying the end of bladestorm as nothing else to press and potentially might also get CCed into death, rallying the Victory Rush if killing some pet, disarming the best burst window, fearing the best burst window, stunning the best burst window, Leaping from the best burst window, using a howl as a rage-free snare or a delayed snare to break distance, pre-sweeping strikes vs pets, Avataring roots, knowing when to use Hamstring as some enemies at some moments won't get away anyway with whatever fancy footwork and knowing their CDs will tell when. And, ofc, if you are in world PvP vs players who are not ready to face a good player despite themselves being an initiator, ofc you will beat even a mage, mm hunter or a ww monk, they will just not be ready for some of your actions, boom, that's the window. The worst is an affliction lock with teleport and gates to a high place from the ground, a place that a charge cannot climb as too far/no path. That one is pure kaput unless lock forgets to port or DCs or his mouse fails to click gates because you're so big that cover them :>
P.S.: So ye, Arms is good, but just do everything right 4Head Just play ideal 4Head Maybe not for novice player, but can do stuff if going madskillz :>
Just how I remember WoW Priest Rogue Mage.
Thank you for all ur efforts over the years, been using u as a resource as long as can remember. I I'd love to other pvp content! I spend most my days in random epic bgs and wpvp. If you need or like a nother hand I'm here for ya, healer main. I play them all
Thanks much! I was wondering about this yesterday so perfect timing!
I really enjoyed this video! Could you guys do a video describing what you need to make compositions work? Like what to look for when pairing classes together and why some combinations just don’t work
Also Warriors, if you have a guild mate or want to ask in /1 or /2 for a healer to que for bgs for then you can have a way different time. if you use the social aspect of the game and recruit a "pocket healer" to stick on you in bgs then it becomes a different more fun story. I realized topic of the vid though is straight up solo though; hence the title lol.
Also 2+2=4
Definitely would welcome more RBG, BG and WPvP guides! We have been lacking those for so long! Lets go!
I don’t think it should be a “tier list”, but more of an “introduction / expectation” for classes. In my opinion the way this list is put just baits players to choosing something that pros play. Plus, some of the basis for analysis are purely subjective. For instance DKs being kinda off “ok” in BGs is insanely misleading, specially when we’re talking about normal queue. DKs can be insanely disruptive to the opposing team, for instance when you drop an AMZ in a strategic position, and then your team can capitalize on that damage reduction. And I’m not even considering the augmented zone (with the pvp talent).
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Priests are definitely good now too.. as someone whose first “serious character” was a priest back in the transition between BC and WotLK I do feel like we’re in a good shape atm, but I wouldn’t chose a priest over a warlock in a BG for example. The way it’s put in here it makes it feel like we’ became unstoppable killing machines in BGs which can skirmish the fuck out of the other players. Which is not the case. For example, our CCs are locked behind a considerable CD wall... and CC’ing could be the difference between capping or not a flag. Warlocks on the other hand can spam fear on different targets, aoe stun, spell lock with pets, and even havoc / fear - coil.
Plus, there’s another huge factor... and to be honest, the most important one my opinion, and the reason behind the name... “Skill cap”. A priest who can’t death poli / blind etc.. is not gonna last long. A rogue is just as good as a mob in a bg if he doesn’t know who to cc, when, where and when they should smokeb, etc. the “list” goes on.
Not saying the vid is bad... just think it should explain these points better..
At least that’s my opinion.
Whats missleading on that tier list, is the wpvp rating it is entirely false, no matter how you look at it.
You can easily tell, that top arena players hardly every played wpvp, seriously.
I don't blame them, there are no real rewards or a rating, but come on.....throwing dices for wpvp balance is no tthe way how to do things here.
Wpvp is vastly different from instanced pvp!
For example, the tier list states, DKs are worser in wpvp than duels in SL, but a dk is the only class to have access to control undead!
I did test the elite undeads under the control of any dk spec and they got aoe dmg that hits like a truck and many cc abilities on range. Most moblity issues are covered by engineering and potions and dark succor makes DS actually heal in bursts after killing a weak mob.
There is simply no way, a dk can have a worser rating in solo wpvp than duels, class mechanics and current expansion environment do not allow it.
As long as control undead works on undead elites in warmode, which are plenty in the prepatch event and in the shadowlands, the dk is 10+++ for solo wpvp, until people are outgearing the elite undeads entirely in a few patches. In beta in max gear and max hp at lvl 60 you get 4 autohits if you wear plate armor and you die, while gettin gripped by the pet and slows.(all elite pet)
I hope this really goes live! :)
I think you're wrong
More of these solo PvP videos please as things progress. Maybe videos with each one. Talents and stat priority they should be rolling vs just showing what should be for arenas.
Very good content bro, never seen such a good put video like yours, it is complete and on point
I think dk deserves more points for BGs especially Unholy got massive spread disease and can death grip enemy casters to them :). Plus AMZ
Yes, I’m always top damaged when I use my dk.
pala is for sure more dangerous then dh, druid, monk. feel like it goes spriest>sub>ret>everything else. i might be wrong tho :)). i base my ranking on what im afraid of fighting the most regardless what class im playing . ofc assuming the enemy knows what he is doing.
Thank you! This is exactly what I've been looking for! I'd love a more In depth guide for rotations and stuff as well!
Hasn't Akaari's been nerfed to the ground for like a month now?
Akaari's Soul Fragment hasn't used that tooltip for almost 2 months (Sep 9). The current value is 25%.
pretty sure these were made earlier on before the pushback was announced
Hello, wanted to know, buffs and debuffs on nameplates at 18:29 are weakauras? If yes, are they downloadable?
Spriests lack some decent defensive CDs, in 1vs1 situation we're unkillable for like 20sec or so if no one interrupts, but in 1vs2 situation spriests are usually dead, especially when facing some melee classes, that can interrupt your casts by positioning
Yet, at last content for casual pvp.
Waited for years for it.
Thank you for the video! A lot of casual players like me really liked this
Nice to see mage in top 3. Finally switched to arcane after 12 years playing fire
???? Mage is always and I mean always top 3 dps class
Blizzard back in the day: Yes.. you can get pretty decent gear while doing BG's and pvp. It isn't suitable for raiding but it's a good for a pvper and fine for dungeons.
Blizzard 2020: No... you can't get good gear from random BG's. We only cater to mythic raiders now... the rest of you can jump off.
FYI... RMP looks like it's STILL the same OP comp it has been for the last 14 years in arenas minus OP demon hunters who were finally nerfed after dominating everything for the entire time they were in game.
I think this would be a great video to redo for 9.1.5 as so much has changed in the past year!
"Useless" 7/10
I love video game scoring lol.
MMO, 30% Behind = Garbo, useless, won't be picked ever, a fat kid that has become a goalkeeper KEKW
@@TheUnone yeah because 30% behind might mean 50% for the average joe/jane,anything more than 15% is terrible on mmos imho.
@@ppsarrakis yeah but like the rogue. even if it's the best pvp class you can play, the skillcap is way higher and some people will play it because "it's the best" but will do very poorly because they use 40% of the class potential.
Rogue has always been the best and most OP class. I would love to see some other Class take The spot someday 💪
As a Rogue main... I can't solo healbot Paladins. They'll out heal my dmg lol
@@VeriStrawberi on pre patch oO I kill heal Palas in 4 sec😅
Can you kill tanks though? :)
Awesome video, thanks!
Marksman is so fun in BGs! You stand still and press 1 button!
Meanwhile Survival hunter has a reset engage on kills and is a burst/cleanup teamfight specialist. That also has lots of outplay potential. Along with a rotation of uses for bombs. Using procs or saving them for a well timed burst or for focus recovery.
Or just drool on yourself and aimed shot for so much fun.
You should try pushing some of those other buttons on MM...
@@LiquidToolExperiment you should watch this video for context of what I'm saying.
This is the kind of video the majority of player base needs. Well done on identifying it and thanks for posting such a good vid 😊
i seen a lot of people with the spikes ability is it a trinket or something? the one that comes out the ground
It's a trinket that does high single target damage. Writhing Segment of Drest'agath
You guys earned my sub a while ago, good work, good content! :-)
so mage beat spriest 1v1 ? or lock ? does mage beat ferals ?
This is video is more than 1 year old. Some of the info is terribly outdated. For example. Frost mage is shit at duels today.
I love BGs, better than anything...I would like to see more BG content...and hopefully somehow this A..hole raider (Ion) that has killed PvP and especially BGs is replaced as lead game designer.
I thought I was the only WW monk struggling in battlegrounds. Maybe I’m just bad lol. Awesome video!
hows monk brewmaste in world pvp?
Maybe the best video I watched from this channel
Since i main warrior im not coming back for this expansion for a pleseant experience. Is anything being done to rework the class?
like rock-paper-scissors, warrior beats rogue. If a cluncky class has no escape then make it way tankier, like in the vanilla.
warrior is pure paper for now, cut by scissors and penetrate by rocks
Anyone know what the addon Oxxy is using to announce dispels/interrupts or is it just a WA ? I think it also tells you if your abilities miss, etc. Would love to find it out :)
please do a video about potential new pvp modes, i'd love for more momentum for solo queue rbgs and solo queue 3s and 2s. It would greatly improve my gaming experience.
2:58 hahaha pilav next video in shadowlands beating everyone even in 1v4 while yelling: "is this a 4??? bruuuuhh"
What's the name of the UI that shows target health bars on top of them, as well as the CASTING of the spells? Is it threat plates?
I use Plater
what addon is showing spells on the toolbars light up green and stuff like that?
"neither feral or boomy can have a real effect onthe outcome of the fight in bg" say that to my boomy, 1.2 million dmg done in bg with 25-0 kills and 2nd most healing "cough"
Any class in the right hands can do extremely well. What I think he getting at is any random player picking up a new class may struggle in some areas of pvp
Also prepatch is so broken. Boom can global people with incarn and starsurge also the azerite interactions with haste and VoP procs giving insane aoe with shooting stars is 100% unbalanced
Thats fine but he included covenants, legendaries etc so safe to assume hes talking about these more in the context of SL.
Unless, of course, you are talking about beta as well.
Agreed with OP. You can pick whether it's more fitting to rot with Starfall or ST burst with Starsurge, which I find very valuable in BGs. You got Typhoon which can be abused in some maps pretty well, you can Vortex enemy healers in a bad spot, you buff the entire team with 12% crit and can emergency ress healers with combat ress - how is that not a real effect on the outcome of the fight lol... It's a bit hard for me to agree with the BG ranking of druid when they ranked affli and SPs higher based purely on their spread pressure xD
Also I disagree with them rating rogues above druids in world pvp, their reasoning being rogues can pick a fight. And druid cant? Once rogue uses vanish he's dead in anything bigger than 1v1. Druid is unrootable, unslowable, can kite forever, take advantage of elevation (wild charge+flap on boomy is SUPER strong) and if youre a night elf, you can also "vanish" out by meld+prowl or meld+flight form (granted that wont be available in SL zones at launch but still worth mentioning). The stuff druids can do in Wpvp rogues can only dream of.
All in all, I'd give druids an easy 9 for BGs and 10 for world pvp. I agree with the duels though the moment you introduce a pillar, a feral is truly a force to be reckoned with
@@Hitmaster8 also druid cannot be hexed or sheeped..
Please make more BG content, it's great!
Rmp on top oh what a surprise
I subscribed just cos you gave full rate to the rogues
Love this idea of a video! Solo nice and refreshing to have something other than arena since some of us stink at arena.
Any clue what would be the third class for 3's FOTM setup for arms warrior + resto shaman?
Really like the topic for the video, thanks
Great video, I mostly bg and solo pvp, been looking for something like this.
Ofc rogues have the be the best in everything. Was there ever a time where rogue wasn't broken?
If you believe it? Sub got always sledge hammer nerfed early into an expansion, their burst gets toned down for sure. And its unlikely assassin can keep up with the other S tier dds. outlaw is complete garbage. This is just beta/prepatch clownfiesta.
Drest and reaping flame really push it into retard mode since your stunlock kill potential is basically doubled
But does anyone else remember running 100% dodge in BC? 😅
@@zeusapollo6504 He said rogues as a class. Rogues have been broken from launch, they always have at least one god spec. In older expansions armour used to be somewhat of a counter to them, but blizzard through that out the window. Blizzard likes the idea of plate wearers having less survivability than leather and cloth classes.
@@AmabarThats true, but judging from past expierences, between leather classes, rogue isn't the only one with a 10 when it comes to duels.
Pikaboo played assassin and sub and that will be the same meta in SL as outlaw does not cut it.
Don't see any crucial changes in favor for sub either, op stuff was quickly nerfed like that shadowstrike legendary.
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If blizzard is intent on having us do 88 hours at a 50% win rate on bgs and blizzard just time gated bg gear upgrades beinf renown 7.
I'm just going to play my bm Hunter and nothing else.
Shadowlands is not alt friendly
@Paul Nobert very I can tell you one thing if it goes live like it is for bgs once classic tbc is out I won't log in to retail again until the next expansion
It’s incredibly alt friendly if you’re open to do pve content
@@GlycerinGaming not really renown isn't account wide you have to grind it all over again.to get to rank 7 renown is a 3 week time gate.........
Let that sink in.
You can choose a piece of gear each week on the vault, it take less time than 88hours played at 50%wr
@@-__--__-_-- as far as we know the vault conquest cap gear is still capped at ilvl 200.
I always like rogues for WPVP and hunters for BGS, don't play retail since MOP, but I guess war never changes...
Mm hunter is super fun now, didn' t played it since mop, only a year in classic - totally another gameplay of course.
I do think and might even prove that rogue is fairly beatable as uh dk. Especially a human one. I have never struggled up against rogues, considering that I have dueled every one from 1800 to 3k cr and exp.
me neither but i mained manily rogues and unholy dks.....and i also thinkg unholy dk is way better in bgs as well. in wpvp we can use now control undead on serveral undead elites in SL zones, so in reality rogues are only better in arena games.
What addon's are you using? The fonts, action bars, unit frames and nameplates all look awesome!
If you choose your talents for duel, fury has a lot to survive. You can almost heal yourself 50% every 30sec with impending victory and battle trance
Indeed, if you dont take the stun you have insane, insane healings
any kiter kills any ret/fury no matter their heal/burst.*shrug*
Honestly i love my warrior. I've also been kicking ass in max lvl pvp as a fury warrior. People need to remember that the use of all your abilities plays a huge factor to not just your damage. An example being like poping ignore pain right when a rouge starts his rotation on you, then you pot and your back to full health while the rouge is now on the defensive.
One week before this video was uploaded, this very same channel released another video called “Best PVP Melee in Shadowlands.” In that video they said arms warrior was A tier, top tier, highest ranked. In this video they said it’s a 4/10 for all PVP content. Wtf?
That is specifically for arena where they’re A tier. That’s where warriors shine, and that’s what most of this channels content is geared towards.
@@ItsSnacktyme So they suck in everything but arena? 😒 Additionally, what makes them so good in arena? I feel like there are plenty of absurdly OP classes that would just be outright better in any content, such as paladin..
what's the add-on that shows the stun/ability duration in the targets picture next to there health bar.
Currently which class is stronger in pvp? the one that kills the most thank you