Was considering buying your course, but then I saw this video and how you rated warriors in bg and wpvp and I totally changed my mind :) Thx for saving me some money!
Retribution, 3 in Duels? Maybe if the player is afk or did not bind his skills, also if played well and not just zug zug like a warrior it is GOD tier in BGs.
Autor have low 1v1 expirience, thats why: clear unh dk is easy target for ret/preg pala, feral, rogue, hunter and even good warrior on open space without pillars. Correct 1v1 tier list on arena: 1. Feral druid (insane mobility, much of healing, much control, damage and dodges against melee). If u playing well - u have no counters. 2. Destruction warlock. Can have problems only vs pve rogue/hunter. 3. DK hybrid (blood/unh). Countered by preg/ret pala and feral, can have problems vs strong priest, who able to good kite near pillar. 4. SP/preg/ret. SP playstyle in 1v1 is running around pillar and giving full dots after fear/silence. Pala is strongest class in melee zone, but very hard to beat casters. 5. Frost mage/sub or combat rogue/MM. Mage and hunters is very strong on open space but on arena with pillars a lot of classes can beat him. Best way for rogues to 1v1 is low resilence and much pve. Can annihilate target, but when cds is wasted its just a mob.
then again, if speaking strictly high expectations in a 1v1 arena-like setting, you would be wrong. the strongest classes are hybrid dks, destruction warlocks, and shadow priests. thats it. you in it to win it? better be playing those classes. also, i am mostly speaking from thousands of games at r1 on pservers where 1v1 arena is an actual format, trust me when i say that other classes dont even hold a candle to those mentioned. in short, you yourself miss what top 1v1 players are capable of, hence i dont understand why you be judging authors low 1v1 experience. in this regard, you are no different. in depth, lets first talk about feral, as you rank it at n1. imo, feral is always at a disadvantage against both warlock and spriest, as each of those can straight up outtrade feral after berserk by spamming fears every dr for better setups, while hybrid dk is just such a map and rng dependant matchup, that becomes very hard for feral if crits low roll or when on lordaeron and valor maps. i think you are correct that feral has a lot of tools, but, going against properly s8 geared top warlocks and spriests, ferals really just do not have enough damage and cc evasion outside of berserk to punch through combined damage, cc, and healing of the latter, while berserk itself has an insanely long cooldown and is easily mitigated with combinations of seduction, portal, horror, bauble, shield, healthstone, and stuns for warlocks, or horror, bauble, shields, hots, dispersion, and just heal spamming for priest. and by the time berserk comes online again, if ever, all those cooldowns will also be up again. so, feral indeed has a lot of tools, but so does paladin, meaning, its not really a good metric and you need to look at statistics to see that they both indeed fold against top tier specs played by top tier players. you also do not understand how kiting works in general, as you mention spriest vs hybrid dk and assume some outlandish priest kiting in this matchup lmao. so, dk both outtrades priest by delaying fears with ams and using his other mitigation on dots after fear, is also almost impossible to mind control, and can just decide to infinitely wait for his cooldowns by disengaging from priest, hopping on a horse, and then running around a pillar. no matter how "strong" you are as a priest, there will be no catching up because of dks much faster both base AND mount speed, thanks to unholy presence and "on a pale horse" respectively. again, if dk decides to kite around a pillar, priest just has to take it and spend time drinking/rebuffing/etc. overall, hybrid dk is just a straight winner of this matchup, for priest can neither outtrade nor outmaneuver. if you are to talk about "low experience", i urge you to at least try playing some high rated 1v1 arenas yourself, as it doesnt look like you ever did.
@@nikita1911001 единственный серв с 1х1 - цокла, где хайрейт ладдер - доджснайп+скрипты. Например, на одном из туриков ДЦММ ~р5-8 в ладдере забрал первое, перестреляв все ВП, в том числе р1. А одного из варов забанили за гкд 0,7 прям на турнире хахахаха. Ты прикинь с чем он играет, когда за ним не смотрят. На счет ферала еще Девелти говорил, что это сильнейший 1х1 спек, а у него экспа предостаточно. И их достаточно много было в топ10 под конец сезона 1с. ШП-ферал мало игр видел - сложно чета сказать. Дестро-ферал при наличии хороших колонн на одноуровневой арене коты грызут неплохо. Если к моменту нажатия берсы тп уже жалось, обычно это минус все дэф кнопки от варлока. Я не упоминал ШП вс ДК - я просто упоминал ШП, хотя против ДК плейстайл тот же. Не поддается МК это метку в конец каста закинуть раз в две минуты?) На счет задержки страха не понял. Да, за амс можно подамажить, но ты энивей получаешь фулл фир, за который дается раздот и прист уходит за колонну и пока ты в комбате, никакого коня не будет) А половина е6ал4 сгниет энивей. Чтобы как-то приста догнать, нужно успеть разлить слоу под колонну, но проблема в том, что колонна не одна. И даже без колонны за фир есть время уйти в аутрейндж грипа. Да, дк может на коне догнать/убежать, но проблема в том, что если он в лосе, много он не отъест, а прист поднимает фулл лицо/пьет ману. В итоге это точно не антипик ШП, все решает скилл, рандом и софт. Ранк1 гибрид дк спек, выходя вс кота может спокойно столкнуться с ситуацией, когда после опена он ловит х3-4 доджа УЧ, а кот уже выдал фулл блиды и побежал. Даже 1-2 доджа приводят к ситуации, когда у дк дот еще нет, т.е. ни демейджа, ни хила, а рип уже есть и кот на ноге уходит к колонне. Я думаю, нет смысла рассуждать о том, что кота за колонной можно догнать, т.к. он сам по себе куда быстрее + без проблем дает слоу, которое доджится только амсом (который при необходимости можно просто откайтить). С лужами вопрос - т.к. 1 лужа это минус 1 дс, а лицо вс кота тает быстро. Плюс даже фералы с 1,5 уже догадываются менять коробку, чтобы не бегать по слоу. Кот вс рет/прег уже интереснее, т.к. под красной джагой уйти на классический марафон под дотами будет сложно. Разве что за сс, но закрывать циклоном собственные блиды не оч приятно, а до маим фридомится. В итоге, если ретрик закрепится на таргете, у печати будет фулл аптайм и он по идее его передамажит. Но из тех игр, что я видел, коты и на миду себя з6с чухают. Ну и опять же, это все справедливо при учете чистой игры без софта, которой уже давно нет (а мб и не было). Урезанные гкд, автоатаки, кд рун/нюков, даже статы научились крутить. В таком случае, конечно, мета сильно меняется) А вщ смысл был в том, что 1х1 анхоли дк - это корм.
On your mage analysis you mentioned that frost mage does well into every melee except dks, Id like to point out ferals are a generally horrid matchup for them too due to the feral being effectively immune to all the mages cc.
But vs DKs and i played the frost mage in wpvp in original wrath(had 3 matches in gurubashi), the dk does not even take any dmg at all and the cc isn't bothering him, if he is unholy and has at least rival gear, of course it was the unnerfed broken S5 version of the unholy dk, classic one will be tame.
A top frost mage destroys feral, they have to waste too much mana to break the freezes. Soda today said while dueling if he was lvl 80 he'd lose against any good frost mage.
@@zeusapollo6504 Mages are annoying as a DK, but that's before AMS and AMZ. Mages are annoying but not that dangerous. DK is basically a wun against any caster.
Beastmastery is pretty competitive if you drop the exotic pet and opt for readiness, same double reset as mm, doesn't need high end arp pve gear like mm and beats most classes with the exception of UH dk that focuses pet with death strikes. capable of high rating in arena, lot of 3k rated bm hunter teams in season 8 on warmane. just have to play readiness ofc.
Interesting that Shadow Priest is low-tier for dueling, when most glads/high level PvP players have them as S Tier. They do have mana issues, but not for one person/fight. They have 4 types of CC that don't DR, plus dispersion and off heals. They're super annoying to verse in a solo setting.
Right, I'd also argue that Warriors and Hunters stand no chance against a Shadow Priest 1v1 with a disarm massive dots and dispersion to out live their lack of heals. I think this is the most incorrect review of Shadow I've seen so far.
@@nunja505 I agree, especially hunters. I'm rolling with an spriest now, and hunters are probably my easiest fight out of any class. The disarm completely ruins them, and they did so quickly. DK's are honestly the only class I really can't beat
@@nunja505 + They are probably the best caster spec in bgs next to ele? If 5 melees charges into you, you better have dispersion, disarm is pretty powerful in duels so is shadowform, warlocks are kinda overrated in this video, you can kill their pet and the SL + CC is gone, most don't even play deep demo for better pet resilence, its just a caster killer and nothing else. Shadow at least by class design can do more. Lowest rating can only be wpvp, beause most classes simply can run away from a priest. And as i mentioned, shadow has far less mana issue than a fire mage, especially outside of arena there is spirit tab/Improved spirit tab, if you don't take it whiel leveling and early into wotlk bgs, you do it wrong. Maybe with trinkets later from ToC you can skip that, but its the very 5 points in the shadowtree and hard to ignore.
yeah, the mana issues arise in non mana efficent pvp gear. Even more with fire mage. They do well in duels too but are instantly oom after 1-2 fights. Also its disturbing that shadowpriest shouldn't be a 4 in Bgs, because shadowpriest definately is 5+ Tier in bgs no matter what SK says, since kills prevent the mana issues they might have with their talents(fire mages need to eat), they do a truckload of dot dmg and have dispersion, shadowform and disarm. Why bother with a disc in bgs? i would play that in arena. Shadow is far more efficient in bgs with the only excpetion of twink bgs, when disc scaling is out of control, this isnt RBG when you can assume the DD will do their job...
Hi, What is the addon showing things above enemy nameplate? Does that show things that the enemy cast too like Bubble for example? If not, what does? :D Please reply :(
I just want them to put back in dungeon finder. It’s incredibly annoying trying to pug via word of mouth. you can have a classic game without making it like pulling teeth to play.
The video had just started and you showed a clip from the man that made me start making montages too, and is the reason I've mained destro basically my entire wow career... Drakedog, the god father of destro pvp ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Interesting duel analysis for warrior. The ONLY class I struggle with in 1v1 as a warrior is elemental shaman. (At level 80 with gear) No other class comes close to being difficult
Yeah, well geared warriors on Warmane server have like a 95% + win rate in duels. Some warriors have over 10k duels won with less than 300 - 200 losses. I think this tier list isn't bad for casual players, but things change when it's a good player versus a good player.
A question bro, I'm going to start playing wow lich king and I'm wondering for rogue pve and pvp what would be the best race to play it? Can the undead be pve and pvp? I need your advice please.
spriest underrated for wpvp i don’t think i’ve lost a fair 1v1 yet and i can say i’ve taken on 2 or 3 with simple ease. If you use shadow fiend & disperse efficiently you should have more than enough mana. plus with the supply boxes we have mana pots :p
I leveled a rouge in TbC als an alt to my enhance shaman because I too wanted to feel that PvP power. …. But I dunno. It was strong as hell! But I just didn’t felt it and was bored. Don’t know if on wotlk the talents make it more interesting and fun but I went back to my shaman so I at least have fun when I get zeroed out of stealth in 2.3 seconds from a full PVP geared rouge! Or get 2 shotted from autoattacks of a retri. *sadshamannoises*
I felt like leaving out the other specs for classes for only their top spec leaves a little bit to be desired. On top of that this is supposed to be a solo PVP video. Multiple times the score seems to be changed to reflect power with a partner. Warrior for example. The video states as long as you have a pocket healer... The whole point of this video is supposed to be how a person performs without any help in these situations. Skipping multiple DPS specs in battlegrounds seems like a wasted opportunity
You said that warlocks in duels lose to hunters and dks as destro. This is not true btw. Destro with a succubus will destroy a hunter. Destro with a felhunter can and will beat a dk if you are good.
Affliction does not lose to a hunter at all in S5(early wrath), MM Hunter with arp maxed in ICC on the other side, is a different story. DKs in S5 you should better not mess with, the only reasion you are wining is, they are noob dks that probably didn't find their abilities in their spellbook. Different story with endgame ICC gear, last season pvp gear and trinkets. Starter lvl80 casters will be much slower than prepatch lvl70 casters due to gear scaling. Melee does not bother this much, % heals stay and hp is high, there is no cast time, but an early to have arp trinket everyone will use.(Grim Toll)
No. You're trained all day the moment they see you're Demo. You'll be CC'd/ignored in Meta and then blown up outside of it. Also common just to train/instagib your pet and leave you alone, because 1/2 your dmg does out the window the moment it drops. All your dmg is hard casting, so you're easy to control. If you're gonna be a lock and relatively BG heavy, do yourself a favor and go Affli. DoT one up, then the next, then the next, then the next. If you get trained, at least you can cast a few instants fairly easily, and one of them will provide you with a solid amount of healing if there are multiple targets nearby. Of course it's not all doom & gloom. Casual PvP'ers won't know what to do with you, and Meta is loads of fun. But anyone knowledgable will deal with you handily.
My main is Balance. I made a dot n hot reliant build. With stealth and instant casts, ambushing in WPvP is basically like a ranged rogue so it's cancer. And when you put in Engi and items with flight form it basically makes me never lose a fight in Northrend.
The problem that dks have is that they are very cooldown reliant and runic power hungry. Their basic kit of abilities arent really gonna take away your health. You have to play around their cooldowns using stuff like blind, cyclone, morph, and just wait out all the bullshit, then you can beat them easily.
@@ivanc5900 You should to play the game and then write comments. Try to win a single duel against a good paladin, dk, feral, enh or lock and then strat talking again.
@mister lawc Full pve build Sub rogue kills destro with 2 armbush Against dk you win as full pve combat rogue Against retri , combat rogue as well Against enhance you have to play full pve combat as well All easy matchups
Why always overrate rogues? Wotlk certainly isn't a peek time for the class, outside of their arena comps, they are squishy, very squishy and there are so many rogue counters its not even funy every game vs a feral is auto lose even if the rogue is a R1 player, i have seen this in duels in original wrath. There is faery fire and it will neuter rogues completely. The class is assumed to have all cds ready and play shadowdance without the slightest error and resets every major cds of the opponent - how often does this happen in wpvp/bgs?
No resto druid? I top healing charts in every BG... tossing hots on melee classes as they charge into battle, wild regrowth, and kiting skills to keep you at the edge of battle. Not so good in arenas and in world pvp is just fun to frustrate opponents and run away when you get bored.
At the moment in BGs elementals just crit me for 5-6k 4 times within a single root and delete me. Dunno if it will change with better gear, but elemental shaman seems mental to me atm
As Enhancement Shaman I can say that I am a "king" in world pvp. I am able to kill ANY class, and even 1X2 situations. I'm not a good player, I forget to use a lot of spells, but even though I can say for sure that Enhancement it's a really powerful spec/class. Great damage, a lot of useful totens, instant heals...
For paladins, if they can use LOS, they are the best class for duels. Paladins were banned from participating in the 1v1 wotlk tournaments on pservers, because a paladin always wins those..
That is why I personally don't weigh dueling high on a skillful list. BGs/Open world are much better because you can use a wider range of items/obstacles to overcome the pitfalls of your class that might not be possible like in an arena. Arena is good too because you can combo the pitfalls of your class with the strengths of another so that is ok. Maybe I am just a dirty elder scrolls online player that loves 1vX fights and watching 1 player abuse LOS to kill 10 players lol.
I will never understand the rogue worship in this game, I literally never had problems in duels vs rogues as a lock/priest main back in the days and they were pretty owned by every class in 1v1 with the same gear and around the same skill/game knowledge level from both players.
well im sorry to say but i think that a rogue doesn't stand a chance against a dk in a 1v1 fight because if a rogue doesn't stun lock and one shot the dk thy are just to much of a twink to last and sins the dk can so easily just cleanse the stun as soon as the rogue un stealt the rogue is most likely dead the fact is that a kitty druid stand a better chance against a dk then a rogue
Don't listen to him. Frost mage sucks in bgs if you want to actually do damage. Play ele sham or warlock or any caster tbh, they all do way way more damage than frost mage.
If you as a retri Pala lose, in duel, against any class that doesn't outmatch you heavily in gear or skill level (xept maybe priest), then you are playing the class wrong
Putting Druid a 4 in world pvp? Is this a joke? Ferals straight up murder rogues. Feral Druid: Fastest movement Fastest stealth movement Track Humanoid (while stealthed) Immunity to disarm Shift out of roots and snares, slows Immunity to polymorph Stealth Class Unkiteable For alliance you can shadowmeld into swift flight form Bleeds cannot be cloak of shadowed Lacerate stacking in bear form Berserk out of fear Infected wounds Pvp set has the #1 set bonus in the game, in fact it's the #1 set bonus in the history of Wow
Rogue is not good for bgs... tbh playing melee sucks in battlegrounds as they are just cannon fodders for casters unless they have some pocket healer. As sp I always focus rogues. Dot them and they just have to cloak very early. Disarm their dance while they are trying to kill your healer and it's most useless class in bg.
You need to learn about prot pvp, 1v1 a prot warrior has a 50/50 or better chance against any class except resto druids. And this information came from the first OG Wrath prot gladiator(not me).
so you say warrior is a 4 with a pocket healer. A ret in the same scenario is going to give their team more utility in the form of freedoms, offheals, bop, dispell. And they are going to provide more pressure in the form of SoC + Divine storm. There is no scenario a warrior is equal to a ret in those circumstances.
So according to your video every class is good in bgs?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and there is nothing better then lava bursting+insta chain lightning nuking and knocking players off ledges with thunderstorm.
Rogue is also the hardest class in the game so it's not like they're good for free. So squishy in wrath, a bad rogue gets blown up by literally anyone.
I totally disagree with warrior, arms warrior will have the mobility issue but not for prot warrior at all. prot warrior 2 chase and 1 to ally are very mobile, combined with many cc abilities can really chase and control most classes. I can successfully chase down frost mage with a prot warrior but rare succeed in arms warrior.
Seriously before I lose my mind and go burn down blizzards building can you please release a video explaining wtf we have to do to play pvp? No I know you will think that's what this is but NO_ it is not! I'm asking a simple damn question like what do I have to do to get in the damn game, I know how to play I play retail, but I don't touch the crap pve and I boosted a character but because I only started over last few mths I dont know what to do and can't get a simple answer. Use all make these video's when there are poeple that can't even figure out how to get in a match, how about add that to the start considering that you going to put these poeple through hell making builds just to find out they have to do enough research to do a degree just to get in Q! Don't know if use can tell but I am pissed off, this game is an absolute joke and would have to be the worst made game to ever be sold
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*Duels / BG / WorldPvP*
DK - 5 / 5 / 3.5
Dru - 4 / 4 / 4
hunt - 3.5 / 4.5 / 4
mage - 4 / 4 / 4
pala - 3 / 4.5 / 2.5
priest - 4 / 4 / 2
rogue - 5 / 5 / 5
sham - 4 / 4 / 2
lock - 4 / 4 / 4
warr - 2 / 4 / 2
Pala can easily beat any class xept priest in duel
@@MrKevlarkent If your oppenent never kites and runs away, yes. most don't kite in duels/wpvp well or even try, that gives you this illusion.
@@zeusapollo6504 you can't kite enough to escape a Pala in duels, area is not big enough
so according to the list every class is good at bgs 4-5 on every class🤣🤣🤣
these guys literally selling Rating boost on their youtube channel, while blizzard rather bans Reckfull and made him fall into depression
i'm very lonely and I dont have friends, so thanks for the tips
I, Martin, am also very lonely, have no friends, and appreciate the tips.
What realm you on?
@@darielchang5302I'm on Gehenas and you ? I'm looking for a guild too
Got a fab pvp / raiding guild on Gehennes need a Hunter last spot :)
Speaking of anyone on whitemane?
Was considering buying your course, but then I saw this video and how you rated warriors in bg and wpvp and I totally changed my mind :) Thx for saving me some money!
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Putting rogue at 5?
Retribution, 3 in Duels? Maybe if the player is afk or did not bind his skills, also if played well and not just zug zug like a warrior it is GOD tier in BGs.
I don't think they are op in BGs in BGs the most useful thing is their buffs and stuns but they are op as fk in duels.
Autor have low 1v1 expirience, thats why: clear unh dk is easy target for ret/preg pala, feral, rogue, hunter and even good warrior on open space without pillars.
Correct 1v1 tier list on arena:
1. Feral druid (insane mobility, much of healing, much control, damage and dodges against melee). If u playing well - u have no counters.
2. Destruction warlock. Can have problems only vs pve rogue/hunter.
3. DK hybrid (blood/unh). Countered by preg/ret pala and feral, can have problems vs strong priest, who able to good kite near pillar.
4. SP/preg/ret. SP playstyle in 1v1 is running around pillar and giving full dots after fear/silence.
Pala is strongest class in melee zone, but very hard to beat casters.
5. Frost mage/sub or combat rogue/MM. Mage and hunters is very strong on open space but on arena with pillars a lot of classes can beat him.
Best way for rogues to 1v1 is low resilence and much pve. Can annihilate target, but when cds is wasted its just a mob.
then again, if speaking strictly high expectations in a 1v1 arena-like setting, you would be wrong. the strongest classes are hybrid dks, destruction warlocks, and shadow priests. thats it. you in it to win it? better be playing those classes. also, i am mostly speaking from thousands of games at r1 on pservers where 1v1 arena is an actual format, trust me when i say that other classes dont even hold a candle to those mentioned. in short, you yourself miss what top 1v1 players are capable of, hence i dont understand why you be judging authors low 1v1 experience. in this regard, you are no different.
in depth, lets first talk about feral, as you rank it at n1. imo, feral is always at a disadvantage against both warlock and spriest, as each of those can straight up outtrade feral after berserk by spamming fears every dr for better setups, while hybrid dk is just such a map and rng dependant matchup, that becomes very hard for feral if crits low roll or when on lordaeron and valor maps.
i think you are correct that feral has a lot of tools, but, going against properly s8 geared top warlocks and spriests, ferals really just do not have enough damage and cc evasion outside of berserk to punch through combined damage, cc, and healing of the latter, while berserk itself has an insanely long cooldown and is easily mitigated with combinations of seduction, portal, horror, bauble, shield, healthstone, and stuns for warlocks, or horror, bauble, shields, hots, dispersion, and just heal spamming for priest. and by the time berserk comes online again, if ever, all those cooldowns will also be up again. so, feral indeed has a lot of tools, but so does paladin, meaning, its not really a good metric and you need to look at statistics to see that they both indeed fold against top tier specs played by top tier players.
you also do not understand how kiting works in general, as you mention spriest vs hybrid dk and assume some outlandish priest kiting in this matchup lmao. so, dk both outtrades priest by delaying fears with ams and using his other mitigation on dots after fear, is also almost impossible to mind control, and can just decide to infinitely wait for his cooldowns by disengaging from priest, hopping on a horse, and then running around a pillar. no matter how "strong" you are as a priest, there will be no catching up because of dks much faster both base AND mount speed, thanks to unholy presence and "on a pale horse" respectively. again, if dk decides to kite around a pillar, priest just has to take it and spend time drinking/rebuffing/etc. overall, hybrid dk is just a straight winner of this matchup, for priest can neither outtrade nor outmaneuver.
if you are to talk about "low experience", i urge you to at least try playing some high rated 1v1 arenas yourself, as it doesnt look like you ever did.
@@nikita1911001 единственный серв с 1х1 - цокла, где хайрейт ладдер - доджснайп+скрипты. Например, на одном из туриков ДЦММ ~р5-8 в ладдере забрал первое, перестреляв все ВП, в том числе р1. А одного из варов забанили за гкд 0,7 прям на турнире хахахаха. Ты прикинь с чем он играет, когда за ним не смотрят.
На счет ферала еще Девелти говорил, что это сильнейший 1х1 спек, а у него экспа предостаточно. И их достаточно много было в топ10 под конец сезона 1с.
ШП-ферал мало игр видел - сложно чета сказать. Дестро-ферал при наличии хороших колонн на одноуровневой арене коты грызут неплохо. Если к моменту нажатия берсы тп уже жалось, обычно это минус все дэф кнопки от варлока.
Я не упоминал ШП вс ДК - я просто упоминал ШП, хотя против ДК плейстайл тот же. Не поддается МК это метку в конец каста закинуть раз в две минуты?) На счет задержки страха не понял. Да, за амс можно подамажить, но ты энивей получаешь фулл фир, за который дается раздот и прист уходит за колонну и пока ты в комбате, никакого коня не будет) А половина е6ал4 сгниет энивей. Чтобы как-то приста догнать, нужно успеть разлить слоу под колонну, но проблема в том, что колонна не одна. И даже без колонны за фир есть время уйти в аутрейндж грипа. Да, дк может на коне догнать/убежать, но проблема в том, что если он в лосе, много он не отъест, а прист поднимает фулл лицо/пьет ману.
В итоге это точно не антипик ШП, все решает скилл, рандом и софт.
Ранк1 гибрид дк спек, выходя вс кота может спокойно столкнуться с ситуацией, когда после опена он ловит х3-4 доджа УЧ, а кот уже выдал фулл блиды и побежал. Даже 1-2 доджа приводят к ситуации, когда у дк дот еще нет, т.е. ни демейджа, ни хила, а рип уже есть и кот на ноге уходит к колонне. Я думаю, нет смысла рассуждать о том, что кота за колонной можно догнать, т.к. он сам по себе куда быстрее + без проблем дает слоу, которое доджится только амсом (который при необходимости можно просто откайтить). С лужами вопрос - т.к. 1 лужа это минус 1 дс, а лицо вс кота тает быстро. Плюс даже фералы с 1,5 уже догадываются менять коробку, чтобы не бегать по слоу.
Кот вс рет/прег уже интереснее, т.к. под красной джагой уйти на классический марафон под дотами будет сложно. Разве что за сс, но закрывать циклоном собственные блиды не оч приятно, а до маим фридомится. В итоге, если ретрик закрепится на таргете, у печати будет фулл аптайм и он по идее его передамажит. Но из тех игр, что я видел, коты и на миду себя з6с чухают.
Ну и опять же, это все справедливо при учете чистой игры без софта, которой уже давно нет (а мб и не было). Урезанные гкд, автоатаки, кд рун/нюков, даже статы научились крутить. В таком случае, конечно, мета сильно меняется)
А вщ смысл был в том, что 1х1 анхоли дк - это корм.
Wtf is a preg
@@Deiwulf ret-prot build with 1h+shield
On your mage analysis you mentioned that frost mage does well into every melee except dks, Id like to point out ferals are a generally horrid matchup for them too due to the feral being effectively immune to all the mages cc.
But vs DKs and i played the frost mage in wpvp in original wrath(had 3 matches in gurubashi), the dk does not even take any dmg at all and the cc isn't bothering him, if he is unholy and has at least rival gear, of course it was the unnerfed broken S5 version of the unholy dk, classic one will be tame.
these guys literally selling Rating boost on their youtube channel, while blizzard rather bans Reckfull and made him fall into depression
A top frost mage destroys feral, they have to waste too much mana to break the freezes. Soda today said while dueling if he was lvl 80 he'd lose against any good frost mage.
@@zeusapollo6504 Mages are annoying as a DK, but that's before AMS and AMZ. Mages are annoying but not that dangerous. DK is basically a wun against any caster.
@@zeusapollo6504 ok grandpa now lets lay you to bed
Beastmastery is pretty competitive if you drop the exotic pet and opt for readiness, same double reset as mm, doesn't need high end arp pve gear like mm and beats most classes with the exception of UH dk that focuses pet with death strikes. capable of high rating in arena, lot of 3k rated bm hunter teams in season 8 on warmane.
just have to play readiness ofc.
Suggestion for next video: 2v2 & 3v3 arena comp tier list
Interesting that Shadow Priest is low-tier for dueling, when most glads/high level PvP players have them as S Tier. They do have mana issues, but not for one person/fight. They have 4 types of CC that don't DR, plus dispersion and off heals. They're super annoying to verse in a solo setting.
Right, I'd also argue that Warriors and Hunters stand no chance against a Shadow Priest 1v1 with a disarm massive dots and dispersion to out live their lack of heals. I think this is the most incorrect review of Shadow I've seen so far.
@@nunja505 I agree, especially hunters. I'm rolling with an spriest now, and hunters are probably my easiest fight out of any class. The disarm completely ruins them, and they did so quickly.
DK's are honestly the only class I really can't beat
@@nunja505 + They are probably the best caster spec in bgs next to ele? If 5 melees charges into you, you better have dispersion, disarm is pretty powerful in duels so is shadowform, warlocks are kinda overrated in this video, you can kill their pet and the SL + CC is gone, most don't even play deep demo for better pet resilence, its just a caster killer and nothing else. Shadow at least by class design can do more.
Lowest rating can only be wpvp, beause most classes simply can run away from a priest.
And as i mentioned, shadow has far less mana issue than a fire mage, especially outside of arena there is spirit tab/Improved spirit tab, if you don't take it whiel leveling and early into wotlk bgs, you do it wrong. Maybe with trinkets later from ToC you can skip that, but its the very 5 points in the shadowtree and hard to ignore.
yeah, the mana issues arise in non mana efficent pvp gear. Even more with fire mage. They do well in duels too but are instantly oom after 1-2 fights. Also its disturbing that shadowpriest shouldn't be a 4 in Bgs, because shadowpriest definately is 5+ Tier in bgs no matter what SK says, since kills prevent the mana issues they might have with their talents(fire mages need to eat), they do a truckload of dot dmg and have dispersion, shadowform and disarm. Why bother with a disc in bgs? i would play that in arena. Shadow is far more efficient in bgs with the only excpetion of twink bgs, when disc scaling is out of control, this isnt RBG when you can assume the DD will do their job...
these guys literally selling Rating boost on their youtube channel, while blizzard rather bans Reckfull and made him fall into depression
Hi, What is the addon showing things above enemy nameplate? Does that show things that the enemy cast too like Bubble for example? If not, what does? :D Please reply :(
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Don’t forget in world pvp is important for a class to be able to resurrect and be as fast as possible 100% health to fight against the camper.
I remember thinking that being a loner was a sign that you’re lame. Now that I’m older I rather enjoy my time away from other humans.
I just want them to put back in dungeon finder. It’s incredibly annoying trying to pug via word of mouth. you can have a classic game without making it like pulling teeth to play.
The video had just started and you showed a clip from the man that made me start making montages too, and is the reason I've mained destro basically my entire wow career... Drakedog, the god father of destro pvp ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Interesting duel analysis for warrior. The ONLY class I struggle with in 1v1 as a warrior is elemental shaman. (At level 80 with gear) No other class comes close to being difficult
yea i still think warrior best duelers
You must have shitty opponents...
Yeah, well geared warriors on Warmane server have like a 95% + win rate in duels. Some warriors have over 10k duels won with less than 300 - 200 losses. I think this tier list isn't bad for casual players, but things change when it's a good player versus a good player.
@@HaizyGoneOfficial It is easy for warriors on warmane to have an average 95% winrate when they all just go on the store and buy shadowmourne....
@@boredgamer7841 im talking about season locked warriors, not the max ones, but yes thats also true
A question bro, I'm going to start playing wow lich king and I'm wondering for rogue pve and pvp what would be the best race to play it? Can the undead be pve and pvp? I need your advice please.
spriest underrated for wpvp i don’t think i’ve lost a fair 1v1 yet and i can say i’ve taken on 2 or 3 with simple ease. If you use shadow fiend & disperse efficiently you should have more than enough mana. plus with the supply boxes we have mana pots :p
I leveled a rouge in TbC als an alt to my enhance shaman because I too wanted to feel that PvP power. …. But I dunno. It was strong as hell! But I just didn’t felt it and was bored. Don’t know if on wotlk the talents make it more interesting and fun but I went back to my shaman so I at least have fun when I get zeroed out of stealth in 2.3 seconds from a full PVP geared rouge! Or get 2 shotted from autoattacks of a retri. *sadshamannoises*
Rouges are overpowdered.
Are talents going to be changed as we progress through the expansion? Or are the talents going to remain the same meaning no nerfs/ changes?
We will get 3.3.5 patch talents throughout WOTLK classic. so no, they wont change.
@@tombolino18 Thank you!!!!
I felt like leaving out the other specs for classes for only their top spec leaves a little bit to be desired. On top of that this is supposed to be a solo PVP video. Multiple times the score seems to be changed to reflect power with a partner. Warrior for example. The video states as long as you have a pocket healer... The whole point of this video is supposed to be how a person performs without any help in these situations. Skipping multiple DPS specs in battlegrounds seems like a wasted opportunity
Your rogue skit pissed a lot of us off
Preg pal?
You said that warlocks in duels lose to hunters and dks as destro. This is not true btw. Destro with a succubus will destroy a hunter. Destro with a felhunter can and will beat a dk if you are good.
nah lol
Affliction does not lose to a hunter at all in S5(early wrath), MM Hunter with arp maxed in ICC on the other side, is a different story. DKs in S5 you should better not mess with, the only reasion you are wining is, they are noob dks that probably didn't find their abilities in their spellbook. Different story with endgame ICC gear, last season pvp gear and trinkets. Starter lvl80 casters will be much slower than prepatch lvl70 casters due to gear scaling. Melee does not bother this much, % heals stay and hp is high, there is no cast time, but an early to have arp trinket everyone will use.(Grim Toll)
Warriors are most mobile melee class in wrath and they get only 4 in BG's?
Thx for video ! Is demonology viable in pvp ? I want to survive getting 1 shot in bgs :D
No. You're trained all day the moment they see you're Demo. You'll be CC'd/ignored in Meta and then blown up outside of it. Also common just to train/instagib your pet and leave you alone, because 1/2 your dmg does out the window the moment it drops. All your dmg is hard casting, so you're easy to control. If you're gonna be a lock and relatively BG heavy, do yourself a favor and go Affli. DoT one up, then the next, then the next, then the next. If you get trained, at least you can cast a few instants fairly easily, and one of them will provide you with a solid amount of healing if there are multiple targets nearby.
Of course it's not all doom & gloom. Casual PvP'ers won't know what to do with you, and Meta is loads of fun. But anyone knowledgable will deal with you handily.
wich class is the most ez to learn healer ?
Holy paladin by far
Btw where is preg pala which is the best melee dueler
My main is Balance. I made a dot n hot reliant build. With stealth and instant casts, ambushing in WPvP is basically like a ranged rogue so it's cancer. And when you put in Engi and items with flight form it basically makes me never lose a fight in Northrend.
I suppose you will be a gladiator jajajajaja
I knew I'd pick Warrior, but I wanna play Retribution and level it up, make some heirlooms to make it quick.
The problem that dks have is that they are very cooldown reliant and runic power hungry. Their basic kit of abilities arent really gonna take away your health. You have to play around their cooldowns using stuff like blind, cyclone, morph, and just wait out all the bullshit, then you can beat them easily.
why do you only put destro in warlock duels aff is amazing in duels
Every 10 seconds it’s hey buy this now!
Is there any pvp addons guide ? Pls
WOTLK section on the website when?
Is it true that in wotlk rogue cant defeat paladin in 1v1?
Rogue is like 2 in duel. The classe loses against destro locks, Dks, rets, feral and enhance and it's not even close
A good rogue never loses in a duel. I hate rogues so I'm not being a fanboy.
@@ivanc5900 You should to play the game and then write comments. Try to win a single duel against a good paladin, dk, feral, enh or lock and then strat talking again.
@mister lawc
Full pve build Sub rogue kills destro with 2 armbush
Against dk you win as full pve combat rogue
Against retri , combat rogue as well
Against enhance you have to play full pve combat as well
All easy matchups
Why always overrate rogues? Wotlk certainly isn't a peek time for the class, outside of their arena comps, they are squishy, very squishy and there are so many rogue counters its not even funy every game vs a feral is auto lose even if the rogue is a R1 player, i have seen this in duels in original wrath. There is faery fire and it will neuter rogues completely. The class is assumed to have all cds ready and play shadowdance without the slightest error and resets every major cds of the opponent - how often does this happen in wpvp/bgs?
Didn't look at the content creator and thought, "do I hear Ezrael? Did I click a LoL tier list? 😂
Preg Paladin
6/6/6
this!
i can choose between Lock and mage
I'm leveling a warrior up just now with a steamdeck level 65 atm... I won't be doing arena though 😄 but definitely made the game more interesting lol
What abt arena scores?
Almost had me with the Rouge intro lol
Please make a video on the best professions for Bg
No resto druid? I top healing charts in every BG... tossing hots on melee classes as they charge into battle, wild regrowth, and kiting skills to keep you at the edge of battle. Not so good in arenas and in world pvp is just fun to frustrate opponents and run away when you get bored.
Fantastic content
Make some vanilla and TBC guides!
At the moment in BGs elementals just crit me for 5-6k 4 times within a single root and delete me.
Dunno if it will change with better gear, but elemental shaman seems mental to me atm
Casters often do well without much gear. Once people get geared up things will change.
Shamans are an easy kill for DKs, they do tons of damage but die so quickly once grabbed.
Oh i was waiting for dh and monk 😟
As Enhancement Shaman I can say that I am a "king" in world pvp. I am able to kill ANY class, and even 1X2 situations.
I'm not a good player, I forget to use a lot of spells, but even though I can say for sure that Enhancement it's a really powerful spec/class.
Great damage, a lot of useful totens, instant heals...
WOTLK hype!
cant decide between dk, rogue, feral, or hunter lmao
pick shaman :)
@@baelrog shaman ftw
Boomkin best world PvP and BGs . Some reason I can see it being great in certain 3s comps since it’s 3.3.5 patch :)
Feral is terrible in bgs, I'd give it 2/5.
It's numbah 3 m'lord ; lonely and no friends
For paladins, if they can use LOS, they are the best class for duels. Paladins were banned from participating in the 1v1 wotlk tournaments on pservers, because a paladin always wins those..
That is why I personally don't weigh dueling high on a skillful list. BGs/Open world are much better because you can use a wider range of items/obstacles to overcome the pitfalls of your class that might not be possible like in an arena. Arena is good too because you can combo the pitfalls of your class with the strengths of another so that is ok.
Maybe I am just a dirty elder scrolls online player that loves 1vX fights and watching 1 player abuse LOS to kill 10 players lol.
Keep it up with the wotlk content
A stuffed Warlock is not a "true glass canon"
Shaman life... it's rough but sham life is best.
I will never understand the rogue worship in this game, I literally never had problems in duels vs rogues as a lock/priest main back in the days and they were pretty owned by every class in 1v1 with the same gear and around the same skill/game knowledge level from both players.
BUt WotLK sucks as a SOLO player? I saw in your other WotLK videos that PvE gear is a big part of PvP?
well im sorry to say but i think that a rogue doesn't stand a chance against a dk in a 1v1 fight because if a rogue doesn't stun lock and one shot the dk thy are just to much of a twink to last and sins the dk can so easily just cleanse the stun as soon as the rogue un stealt the rogue is most likely dead the fact is that a kitty druid stand a better chance against a dk then a rogue
Don't listen to him. Frost mage sucks in bgs if you want to actually do damage. Play ele sham or warlock or any caster tbh, they all do way way more damage than frost mage.
Please do the same video for Shadowlands, I'm waiting for it since so long and this video and criteria are nice. YES I HAVE NO FRIENDS ;)
"Friends are for the weak."
If you as a retri Pala lose, in duel, against any class that doesn't outmatch you heavily in gear or skill level (xept maybe priest), then you are playing the class wrong
lol. casters own pallys.
@@stormskye3578 no
Nope not very excited. I’m more into Dragonflight :)… after classic and tbc I did enough memory scouting. It’s time to came back to the present
Can't /spit on ppl anymore :(
Putting Druid a 4 in world pvp? Is this a joke? Ferals straight up murder rogues.
Feral Druid:
Fastest movement
Fastest stealth movement
Track Humanoid (while stealthed)
Immunity to disarm
Shift out of roots and snares, slows
Immunity to polymorph
Stealth Class
Unkiteable
For alliance you can shadowmeld into swift flight form
Bleeds cannot be cloak of shadowed
Lacerate stacking in bear form
Berserk out of fear
Infected wounds
Pvp set has the #1 set bonus in the game, in fact it's the #1 set bonus in the history of Wow
Sorry, but the paladin is the best class for BG in WoTLK, I play paladin repression and I am always among the top three in the BG without hardly dying
Shut up
Frost mage Duels: 5
Missing some classes...
Rogue is not good for bgs... tbh playing melee sucks in battlegrounds as they are just cannon fodders for casters unless they have some pocket healer. As sp I always focus rogues. Dot them and they just have to cloak very early. Disarm their dance while they are trying to kill your healer and it's most useless class in bg.
stop calling preg 1h ret... give that man some respect
You havent been kited by a good ele in front of orgrimar around a rock and it shows hahahaha
You need to learn about prot pvp, 1v1 a prot warrior has a 50/50 or better chance against any class except resto druids. And this information came from the first OG Wrath prot gladiator(not me).
Fuck man, thanks for this video su much!
Fire Mage > Frost
spriest a 2 in wpvp lmao yeah ok
Conclusion: Every Class is Good.
so you say warrior is a 4 with a pocket healer. A ret in the same scenario is going to give their team more utility in the form of freedoms, offheals, bop, dispell. And they are going to provide more pressure in the form of SoC + Divine storm. There is no scenario a warrior is equal to a ret in those circumstances.
pala is good doing all of that when you have mana, then you are nothing
@@rubenb7859 u get mana with every judgment tho….
@@ashura355 yea bad rets go oom in pvp.
@@ashura355 do it vs Lock, S priest, hunter or shaman, you know you cant
@@rubenb7859 ofc u can, use bubble at the right moment and they lose
SMH no respect for the arcane dream
!!!!!!!! WE WANT RBG !!!!!!!!!!
So according to your video every class is good in bgs?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
and there is nothing better then lava bursting+insta chain lightning nuking and knocking players off ledges with thunderstorm.
The devs play rogues. I bet, no wonder they are op every expansion
they're not op I'm arena, they're 4 out of 5 depending on the phase
Rogue is also the hardest class in the game so it's not like they're good for free. So squishy in wrath, a bad rogue gets blown up by literally anyone.
really lonely and have no friends. called me out.
rogue and druids have pretty much always been the best solo pvp class lulz
I totally disagree with warrior, arms warrior will have the mobility issue but not for prot warrior at all. prot warrior 2 chase and 1 to ally are very mobile, combined with many cc abilities can really chase and control most classes. I can successfully chase down frost mage with a prot warrior but rare succeed in arms warrior.
this isnt a tier list
Seriously before I lose my mind and go burn down blizzards building can you please release a video explaining wtf we have to do to play pvp? No I know you will think that's what this is but NO_ it is not! I'm asking a simple damn question like what do I have to do to get in the damn game, I know how to play I play retail, but I don't touch the crap pve and I boosted a character but because I only started over last few mths I dont know what to do and can't get a simple answer. Use all make these video's when there are poeple that can't even figure out how to get in a match, how about add that to the start considering that you going to put these poeple through hell making builds just to find out they have to do enough research to do a degree just to get in Q! Don't know if use can tell but I am pissed off, this game is an absolute joke and would have to be the worst made game to ever be sold
Press H on your keyboard and it’ll pull up pvp tab, then click over to bg and que
def wrong about world with enc sham
Thats right.. Blizzard killed the Warrior