*I want to be very clear; I’m only giving Bungie this one chance for Act 1. I saw how much was put into the Final Shape, and so I assumed it would be a weaker first act. However, if this continues, this is definitely a problem.*
I gave them a chance with the final shape and it was awesome. Separately I gave them a chance with episodes and.... Meh. I'm not buying the next one until I see reviews which is the safer option now.
What problem? One chance? Man you will still pay for every content and cosmetics like you always do. You can say whatever but you are still buying and making content with it. If you were actually going to do something, you would not buy it.
The obvious answer is that Act 1 of Echoes was made intentionally sparse in order to give players time to finish TFS and all post campaign content. People forget that not all destiny players are playing 8 hours a day like it's their job. It tracks that things are going to gradually build, just like they always have.
How long are we going to keep saying stuff like this? TFS campaign takes like a week to complete with only an hour or two per day. Post campaign are just some Exotic missions and finding dead ghosts. As for Echoes, you just need one hour a week to catch up on that story. Act 1 was a dud. It should have carried the momentum from TFS, but it fell flat.
😂 if your looking for something to do 30 hours a week, I suggest a job or side hustle. Destiny isn't made to supplement your real life lack of things to do. Go live your life! 😂
The timegate is too long, there is no excuse its more than enough time, plus you can choose your own pace. The time wasting is not for our benefit, its for theirs.
@@cos0 you say that, but half of my friends haven't even finished the campaign yet. Regular people have responsabilities, work, family, etc. Things are not that simple, and the general playerbase, the silent majority, the 9-5 dads with wife and kids are lucky if they can/want to spare 1-2 hours a week to play. People have 40-60 hour work weeks, family they spend time with, stuff they like to do besides gaming, hanging out with friends, doing exercise, touching grass in general. It's gonna take long for people with normal lives and schedules to go through a campaign that you and me could knock out in one day or two.
There is a whole Vex Civil War and we have not seen it. Just a bunch of lore paragraphs telling us it’s happening. I need them to add story components to the gameplay. Let me 3rd party 2 Hydras fighting each other!
Bro we've seen nothing like I'm looking to pull up on the cistern and just see a huge battle field of craters and destruction with vex fighting. Imagine having to thread the needle between that
The problem is that the story quests are still too predictable and follow a standard model. We want things to be shaken up. I dont want to keep doing a weekly quest each week that feels the same because its just talk to vendor, do seasonal activity, talk to vendor, if youre lucky do a quest or see a cutscene
@@Boomer-12347 how exactly do you make a non predictable story constantly And is it worth it As in should they make crazy twist just for the sake of it A lot of people felt the campaign was predictable because we all knew we’d fight the witness in a mission (cuz it lets everyone beat him) and even tho it was predictable af it was still surprising how it was executed For episodes sure we predict it’s maya but so what that doesn’t tell us anything about how that boss will be executed their motives what they do in the story how we beat them etc etc The only thing I can see that’s predictable is going to vendors and it being weekly but that’s not enough to judge a story in its entirety It can judge execution maybe but as a whole? Nah And (this may age bad) but act 2 could break that entire we literally won’t know till act 2 is out
@@SepticEmpire They're not saying the story is predictable, they're saying the way it is delivered is predictable. Your defending is why the game can't even break 90k
I think Cross missed the point; it's not about liking or hating Seasons, it's more to do that Bungie said that Episodes ARE DIFFERENT from Seasons, yet there is nothing different about it. It's still "talk to vendor, get data, go to vendor, do some other tasks (vendor bounties/patrols/etc), go to vendor, go do story mission, see you next week." Bungie themselves marketed Episodes as something different than Seasons, but the only differences are the naming and that we have 3 instead of 4.
Yup. It's just a stretched out season by another name. Same formula, same amount of content. Even the season pass is inflated, with the same amount of cosmetics.
I am fine with seasons and episodes. The only thing I will say is that coming back every week for 5m of narrative does massively reduce any impact it could have. For example, the stillhunt quest or the queens quest were really cool narratively because we could go through the whole quest line without waiting. If we had to wait a week to do each step of those quests, I would have not liked them that much.
Cross, I don’t like time-gating because it brings the story to a grinding halt (pun intended). I don’t care about getting every piece of loot or the god roll. I just want to experience more of the story and lore.
It reaches a point where the whole story just isnt done, they probably work on these till the week they drop And if you just want to experience it all at once, wait for it to be all out and play it
@@GlutenPlayz bungie just doesn't have the capability to crunch I guess. Bungie needs to realize good games are made by hard work. Overtime hours staying late crunching miserable hour after hour In the studio. That's how you make good games.
@@LifeWulf u say this but if time gating didn’t exist you’d beat the story in like a week then say there’s nothing to do for 4 months If u don’t care about loot then just don’t play till all acts are out People don’t seem to understand this is a LIVE service game it will ALWAYS have time gating If you want a game with story that can be explored in full and by your own progression then play Elden ring Play any story game that ever existed Destiny is live service first loot second and story third (Story and loot switch places when it comes to dlc) THATS WHAT DESTINY IS if you don’t like this it means destiny isn’t for you Plain and simple And if you like the story and lore just watch byf while you play other games Stop complaining about a fundamental part of what destiny is that’s like being mad at someone for personal Like your personalities don’t mix stop complaining about them and just move on You complaining like this is the exact same as a toxic gf/bf complaining about their partner Just stop
@@GlutenPlayz I hate to say it but we live in a world we're you can't be happy and get eveything you want. Everything is blood sweat and tears. More man hours goes along way. It's very common in the game industry that you are going to work really hard and really long. Finale shape was a prime example. Bungie knew what they made was going to fall flat so they delayed and started grinding. Personally idc if bungie is "woke" but I do care when it has your employees convinced that they got into a career where they supposed to work 8 hours 5 days a week like they don't get payed 100k plus a year. I really feel like bungie is like pre Elon musk Twitter. People just doing whatever barely working doing nothing. Bungie is the coworker that never does anything at work but acts surprised asf they got fired. *gasp* "I never seen this coming" yes your bitch ass did you lazy mf. Every thing they release for this game should have finale shape levels of pressure. If you don't want to be here there is the door. There is plenty of other young developers willing to take your place. Nature if business.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we got a sex scene at some point with how hard they’re shilling them, they both have such great interactions with other characters in lore tabs but in all cinematics they’re just in love and repeating each others names endlessly
Absolutely all of this in this comment chain. We get it Bungie. This is the twenty-eighth week in a row you've shown this in show and tell, you really really like it, we understand. Can we get something else please? Like Eris and Drifter stuff, or Elsie's relief after the Final Shape for being freed from her time-loop curse, or Crow settling in as Hunter Vanguard, or any number of more fascinating stories? Give Byf and Venextron and Myelin more interesting stuff to talk about that I can listen to while driving, because I'm not going to experience it through severe time-gated predictable "content" that only serves to pad out the engagement time of your playerbase while minimizing effort for you just to make nice numbers for investors and suits to look at.
The multi billion dollar company telling us something wasnt possible before while cramming more microtransactions done our throats is enough to show they havent changed
@@stevenjr.5536 bruh khvostov wasn’t even nerfed it was fixed because it was doing something unintentional Saying oh it’ll be nerfed in a week when the “nerf” is actually just a fix is kinda wild Like ofc a gun that’s not doing something as intended is gonna be busted af But oh look a gun that’s preformed as intended (conditional finality) has been the most used special in the game since then It’s almost like that argument is twisted and applied whenever people are upset they can’t used a busted weapon anymore
But guns aren't supposed to be too strong to the point where they make everybody other gun useless. Luke imagine gallahorn just instant deleted everything and had infinite ammo. You would be retarded for using anything else. Balance has a place in every game. Like what's up with everyone wanting every gun to be broken and then not get nerfed? I'm genuinely curious could you answer please.
i thought Episodes were gonna be mini expansions like Curse of Osiris. we get to play the story on day 1, and then they can unlock more stuff like activities, exotic missions, and weapons throughout like they’re doing now. i don’t mind time-gating if it’s like that.
@trailmountain8336 there were NOT 3 story missions in curse of Osiris 😂, that story was long as he'll compared to the 4 missions in warmind the expansion after. The end game just sucked cause the infinite forest wasn't infinite, couldn't even walk in without doing an adventure, 1 public event that didn't reward anything, no sparrows in the area, etc.
Nah. Streamers/no-lifers would blow through everything in a day or two and then we'd get endless complaining. I don't necessarily care for this format, but as a father, husband, full-time worker, I'm appreciative of this downtime. It beats the alternative.
It's legit why I only come back for major dlcs I beat the campaign get the exotics I want then to crucible I go until the next expansion releases been doing that since forsaken after the hype died down
@@WaterGates1 Why does how other people play or enjoy the game affect you? It sounds like your poor lifestyle choices already affect your ability to play the game so why does there need to be an arbitrary time gate?
@@afilthyweeb8684 bruh go play something else. If you have all the weapons all the class items all the new goodies then take a break God damn. This new model actually lets me do shit at my own pace and make time for other games without the fear of fomo for not keeping up with the grind week to week. Pass your harshest judgement freely once we get to act 3 at least so we can know how an entire episode will play out before passing judgment on the first act.
@loopygordo You shouldn't be blaming other players for the FOMO that BUNGIE THEMSELVES implement into the game lmfao. Actual delusion. There'd be no worry of fomo if bungie didn't arbitrarily remove seasonal/ battlepass content after a year/3 months. Players that wanna grind through it fast ge tto be happy, and slowpokes like you can enjoy it at your own leisurely time. All you're doing is defending a multi-billion dollar company for their anti consumer practices and manipulation of the consumers' behavior and psychology.
The first time Episodes / acts dropped they were supposed to be bigger and better improved over seasons according to bungie. But this time they REALLLLY mean it. Sure bungie.......sure
The only way I can see it working out is if the acts are separated for the world building too. I.e Nessues changes act 2 because everyone should be up to date at that point. Idk, setting was a big gripe of mine and if they consistently update the location in relevance to the narrative I’m a happy camper.
@@rgentum I'd be happy if bungie actually did what they said they were going to do for once. Just meeting expectations of TFS being good is not enough.
Who said they were going to be bigger and better? Could've swore they said they were scaling back with the episode model. People make expectations up in their minds and then get mad when they aren't met. Kinda weird
Or and ik this may seem crazy af Maybe act 1 is purposely made to have less that way people still grinding post campaign stuff can do that and not be overwhelmed Would kinda suck to go through episode stuff right after campaign you could either do post campaign stuff and get spoiled for no doing episode fast enough Or do episodes and never have time to do post campaign At least this gives us a break to earn the title and get some exotic swords and class items before the real episode stuff takes place If I’m wrong then oh well but at least I can think logically about why they might of done this rather than mob and hate bungie and make unreasonable expectations
That guy that commented isnt wrong, im yet to see a seasonal activity where im not moving and defending some shit or depositing some dumb thing. Or a combination of both, give something new man.
".... will be bigger and greater" AH YES, last year Paul Shillssy and some bungie devs said there was going to be a *REWORK* in TFS and what did the players got? Go to the Helm talk to X go do X activity talk to X SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!! 😂😂😂😂😂
I can't get behind the timegating defense, i know i can grind for other stuff but i mean i pay for the whole story at once. why do i not get the whole story at once?
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper well, his pile of gold is dependent on everyone playing the game. It does make sense that he would be super defensive of their actions. It would make sense for him to do what he can to make the community think positively about the game. Interesting for sure.
Hey, if episodes can get to the quality of the story missions, I'll take it over expansions. If they add NPCs joining us to help fight like that battle against the witness, where we can SEE them helping us instead of just talking to us over comms, interacting with us and providing a stronger narrative then it's a win in my book.
I wish to know what your feeling are about the push to playing with randoms rather than playing solo, I was attracted to Destiny because of solo but new game play makes this tuff
Not even wrong lmao, the guy got a cash injection and was told to be nice because Bungie can't afford to have what happened last summer to happen again. Bungie would be gutted by Sony if that happens once more, and I honestly think they couldn't make it any worse than how Bungie has been for years now.
Most of those youtubers and reviewers are shills anyway. TFS is a neatly packed garbage made mostly out of old content, take the Traveler for example, you wait 10 years to learn what it really is, and in the end you learn that it's just a garbage container. Moreover, pseudo-artsy graphic design makes everything look like a cheap vaporware video, it's like someone was too much in love with 3d Studio Max from the 90s. Cheap emotional tricks are the key elements of the story, and they only work for someone who's into anime and its repetitive tropes and aforementioned cheap emotional tricks. Two weeks ago I finally uninstalled Destiny for good. It's just sad to see it end that way, but I've had enough. Guardian down.
Bruh exotic missions are just not worth the hype. People glaze the hell out of them but you just get the weapon and then you leave it alone forever (unless you're forced to play it multiple times for catalysts etc.)
You explained what players do for literally everything else. Dungeons and raids are not excluded. The only difference is that one gives guaranteed drops at the end. The others are chance drops.
Kinda related, but I feel like Destiny 2 really needs a relaunch of sorts. The entire game just feels so unorganized right now. It's hard to explain but the game kinda feels like a landfill (not implying that it's garbage) where old content is just randomally thrown into a pile instead of being reintergrated in a meaningful way, especially with content that has been impacted by vaulting. Old exotic quests that were once able to be naturally discovered by playing the game are now thrown into disconnected menus, you already start at 1900 power which both feels weird for new players and makes leveling up feel less satisfying, old important story moments are haphazardly retold in brief recaps from more menus. The holes left by vaulting has made the game feel like a mess because Bungie has just left the remnants of vaulted content on the floor. I'm sure some people don't mind this at all but I feel like this is a major turn-off for new players. I hope my point made any sense here.
@@flametoooth Access Journalism is designed to be easily digestible for people with low intellectually curiosity or people that aren't curious about their own bubble. AJ always makes the parent company/product look good. Because its designed by a high end PR team to produce products like this video. There is ALOT of this on youtube.
@@lukelaws3545 PR-AJ exists to distract from and reaffirm the product in the direction the company wants it to go. Most American's dont really see this spin. Im just saying is I see the invisible hand, and im calling BS. Aztec thinks diet seasons are fine .. so they are fine! its FINE.. To be fair im sure everyone else that went on the PR junket in late may, Fallout etc.. or get the free limited editions, also post a video saying it FINE.
Forget the seasonal events. As a casual player I still have SO MUCH content to dive into. Still need to do Dual Destiny, get Khvostov, and attempt the raid. Most of us aren’t power grinding the first week and completing all content.
@@thetachyonhivemind Yeah. Stasis and Strand definitely needs an additional supers. Also more grenade types and at least one more melee for all classes.
Loved your take on the time gating part!!!! This is exactly what I think about all the time, there are sooooo many things to go out and grab. I'm loving the ergo sum grind and I just got the catalyst to work on!
Nah, this seasons story has been ass. Its supposed to be a vex story, but we've gotten 2 cutscenes about how in love Saint and Osiris are, and nothing about the vex other than "They're acting quirky guardian." Fucking pride month the season.
I understand what Cross is going for the time gating. my only point is that there are people doesn't want to grind all the stuff that they will ignore. But then again, time gating is a way that keeps the player base engaged with the game, specially with a 4 month long season.
Oh no... not another dual destiny please. As a solo player I'm on the verge of quitting. I buy every season with the annual pass since I started playing in Season of the Worthy. I was ok with raids being the only content I can't access. But now exotic missions? F*** that. I can't even get a refund for the next seasons. P.S.: Not asking for easier content, not socially anxious or anything, I just like playing alone. It's relaxing. Heck, give me a solo grandmaster level of challenge. But literally locking it behind team play and calling it "creativity" is just nonsense.
I think we’re going to Torobatl and possibly Rhys in the future. They alluded to it in a conversation between Caityl and Zavala in Final Shape. And Rhys was discussed as well. Just my guess.
I actually don't mind that there's a longer break between the ax. It gives us more time to do other things because there's actually a lot to do in the game right now like a lot
Destiny fans are truly in an abusive relationship. They're genuinely gaslit into thinking the next thing is going to be good. While TFS is good, it's just a good general expansion. It just seemed so amazing because everything was dogwater in comparison. It HAD to be good. The fact that Bungie knows what makes there expansions good and only puts the effort when their back is against the wall is shameful. D2 fans are about to go back to the same cycle. You all hyped and praised TFS so much they're going to think they can get away with half-assing anything after, and then once people finally see it's dogwater they will make another good expansion a year after. The cycle continues .
Did we not get the good stuff with final shape ? Destiny is arguably the best it’s been in a long time. The first season is always sparse after a major release. Hopefully they can deliver. Bungie doesn’t really have a choice but to do better and give us good content
they can’t change nessus because of key activities that are there… the public events, the lost sector entrances, the fishing spots… all would have to be remolded as well and such.
Look, sure we’ll have an exotic quest and 1-2 new activities but it’s still the same stuff and we always overestimate bungie when they say things like this, they never do the logical thing like actually change the patrol space, change up the time gate logic or do anything new
The problem with the episodes is the season pass being paused and all out xp earned from did not being applied to the future ranks meaning now of we won't want to be so far behind when the next act pops we have to bounty hoard and save challenge turn ins to not waste xp...
I actually like timegates. I feel its gives me some structure, helps me focus on certain things and like i dont need to rush because the rest isnt available yet
We don't need bigger missions. We need a bigger goal to work towards to keep us playing. Look at something like the atlas in PoE. You have the goal of reaching the end of the atlas, all while the game progressively gets harder. This has you seeking out loot so that you can push your build further to its limits. Destiny doesn't have that. You do the campaign and the raid, and maybe some one off missions. And then what? All you do is get loot for the sake of getting loot.
You know people would complain about that too right? Destiny appeals to a much wider audience than PoE - it'd be like comparing PoE to Diablo again. Diablo IS a worse game (in most regards) imo but it appeals to far more people than PoE. Yes Destiny could give you that grind and content just like diablo could but that isn't their goal because thats not their target audience.
@@skylerfreeman1173 Ok. Then let's continue down the same path that will continue to slowly lose its most dedicated fans. Destiny has no future as long as this keeps up.
the issue is the slow tempo drip fed content. I get that bungie wants us to log in week after week but if thats the case, give a full weeks worth of content not just an hour or two of running errands for a vendor. OR open up all 25 or 49 or whatever number of steps the quest has on day 1 and let me run it start to finish, all steps, in one mega 24 hour stint if i want to. The method by which we get the content doesnt really matter. Episodes are fine and so are seasons. Its the quality, frequency and quantity of the content that matters. This game has a horrible habit of getting a plot moving and then hitting a quest gate that makes me wait a week while a vendor analyzes a sample?? thats basically telling me to play destiny for 2 hours or so, then spend the rest of the week on another game if i want a non-repetitive experience. there needs be something we can do in the meantime to progress the quest that isnt a repeatable, predictable, boring and prematurely flaccid seasonal activity. the first few runs of new seasonal activities are fun, but after that newness wears off it just becomes a chore to log in and do the same thing again and again.
so me and my brother was looking at the Traveler and thought about how they said that they would never put expansions in the DVC again but that leaves the question..is the portal to the Pale Heart will ever close? Because lore wise it should unless theres forever a portal to the pale heart, this COULD mean that D3 will close the portal and we start anew.
Because those activities take place 3 days before the fight with the witness; it’s to keep the dialogue relevant because it doesn’t work post-final shape
Those are some of the post campaign missions. They originally happened during the waiting period after the campaign, and before the raid released, which is why it's noted that way.
@@rgentumThe lake of shadows remake came out in light fall. That's not 3 days before the witness. It's a glitch. Same thing with the disgraced which is the new light strike. Again, it's a bug.
@@dredgenspace The remakes happened forever ago, sure, but the dialogue has been adjusted with new characters from Final Shape, Cayde and Micah 10; and their dialogue is relevant to the in-between stage of launch and the three day period to the raid
@@dredgenspacedude fym ‘a bug’ lmao. Ah yeah cause a whole new dialogue set added to each of those strikes with new final shape characters was a ‘bug’ …
@@jimmcmeen761 Literally nothing is going to change holy shit, there are 3 battlegrounds coming out in act 2, want me to tell you how act 2 is going to play out. Week1: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground Week2: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground Week3: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground And then another 3 week break until act 3
@@Alckee6904 maybe things are this way cuz people always leak it? Not entirely but probably a large reason They didn’t wanna do secret missions cuz they wouldn’t be secret and what do you know every detail about the mission was known day one and people had guides within the same hour If that happened to be I’d do the same boring thing all the time too cuz the moment I try to surprise or do something different everyone already knows and it ruins the point For raids it’s different but I’m sure people leak that too and how would you feel if a team that got first saw leaks and already knew the raid This isn’t always the case but I think this is one of the reasons bungie doesn’t make changes that much The fact people already know act 2 is crazy Like you literally don’t want to be surprised saint could die tomorrow and you’d already know How can someone who knows that kind of info also say “episodes are worse in every way so far” Like ofc it’s worse you already know everything Bruh
@@SepticEmpire Firstly this is definitely a company issue not a player issue. You one company that people leave the hell alone Nintendo!. They will sue until there is nothing left. Anyway though passion and all that is cool and I understand they don't want they're surprises reveal but who gives a flying fuck. They are a business of they want to make money they are going to have to start making a game worth playing otherwise they will have another pre finale shape situation. They also need to start legally going after leakers. Start ruining life's like other companies do make leaking something that is way to risky.
@SepticEmpire no bungie just let's people like you use it as excuses for them lol oh no extra content for leaked so cares lol at least it'd be in game. Crafting definitely is a double edged sword tho. When into the light came out and I had to farm shinies I wouldn't get as bored. But the check list loop they created only really hurts them. Idrc either way
we need annual expansions because thats where they always put the raid. it would be weird if a raid was tied to seasonal story imo but im sure they COULD pull it off
I disagree with the time gate argument for episodes. A lot of stuff is based on how. Much you play. Specimens tied behind the material collected in breach executable, specimens on the failed reward path for first reset.
@@flamingscar5263we know what we’re getting for the act 2 and 3 already, just a single exotic a few legendary weapons, and another boring battlegrounds activity
Cross hits it on the head with the time gating issue. Being a Dad the episodes help me follow a story and make time to "catch up" on content I haven't completed (i.e. dungeons, raids, my other classes, red borders, etc.). Cross could look at my vault and be like "Damn! I'm with the government and here to help."
Did they mention frontiers specifially or just 'future of d2'? Because the latter was bait that they only tall about the seasons, its already long time ago.
I love that we all go to Paul for news, but he doesn't actually get the interviews. GamesRadar does. About episodes, they ALWAYS say "wait till xyz, it'll be the best/biggest ever". Wish they could just stick the landing on seasons/episodes just once rather than promise next time.
"The dragonsh are coming! The pizza is coming!" Bungie: "We've listened, we've heard you, we promise to do better, good stuff is coming". Bungie: *nerfs titans again, doesn't fix old gameplay bugs, fires some more people.*
The one thing that confuses me about patrol zones is that they don't change with the times. I think we haven't seen a significant change to an area since Season of the Chosen with the Proving Grounds Strike. So for Nessus to not undergo any change when it's clear to see in seasonal activities is just mind boggling.
My biggest complaint about episodes is the 3 weeks of nothing new. I enjoy the weekly seasonal model that gave me new objectives each week -- I really REALLY think that episode 1 , act 1 is just so slow narrative wise and that’s why it’s aggravating
I don't put stock in the Ahamkara. Bungie needs to show us. 1: What does this "Bigger" exotic quest mean? If it's a Dungeon, I'll refer you to Wish-Ender. If it's a 6man, I'll refer you to Necrocasm. Exactly WHAT are we talking about? Another Whisper/Zero Hour? Been there, done that. Niobe Labs? Yawn. All of these have been done already, so the episodic model didn't offer anything that couldn't and HASN'T been done already. Details Bungie, we need DETAILS. 2: Making minor changes to an activity is blahzay as well. If they're changing activities up, it needs to be MAJOR. I'm talking about taking an area and completely defacing it. I want to see Vexifaction everywhere, pools drained, the Network breaking through reality and slowly merging with Nessus as the Acts progress. If all it is is some dialogue, that ain't meaningful, nor is it something that requires an episodic model.
I remember the content and story drought that was post d2 vanilla campaign. How there was nothing to do or look forward to. And i remain grateful for the season formant for giving me stories to come back to week to week
@@Blanktester685 naw personally I didn't run out of things to do, it sucked she the season story ended. But that gave me time to work on dungeons, complete challenges for bright dust, and get the few raid I can do with my friends because of my work schedule.
Crazy part to me is that if Bungie gave everything on day one, people would complain there's nothing to do or look forward to. I'm not saying Episodes will be amazing, but having something new every 6 weeks sounds pretty good to me, especially if it's high quality and is bringing new weapons and unlocks too. Have a feeling the game might feel busier more often with this, but we'll just have to see
as far as episode being mini expansions from here on out instead of Big annule expansions, It comes down to a few things for me. 1. How good the episodes are,(which yes I think Act 1 is gonna be the weakest but will ramp up later). and the 2nd thing is what would the price model of Episodes look like and how often as well as would they include new dungeons and Exotic missions or would they be moved to like what we have now with a dungeon pass. like if episodes where say 3-6 months long and included a large exotic mission and say every other episode a dungeon for say sake of augment around $40 USD then yeah might go for that. Otherwise I think the yearly model and getting everything for $100 a year would be better for the player base from a money stand point but not by much, only say $20 cheaper. Just my thoughts on it.
I haven’t seen anyone talk about it but doesn’t having 1 less season/episode mean that we now get 1 less season pass exotic, 1 less exotic mission/craftable exotic and one less exotic catalyst for our already owned weapons?
Honestly what are people expecting? What insane vision do you have in your head on what we were going to get in episodes? It’s not a new game, it’s D2. If you don’t like Destiny you would think after 10 years some of these people would move the heck on. It would be like going to the same Deli every week, getting the potato salad and then going “god I can’t stand potato salad”. STOP EATING POTATO SALAD IF YOU DONT LIKE POTATO SALAD.
We are talking about people here and people are not known to be intelligent I had several customers who use to say Dunkin donuts had better coffee every day when they bought there coffee and it was legit across the street u could see it from our front window but yet they would come here and say out coffee is worse like people are stupid get use to it
I’m cool with timegating to an extent. The narrative ok fine…but why timegate the red death catalyst? What was wrong with Banshee selling it day 1? And the question at the end whether I rather have a good expansion or a good season, why can’t we have them both be good? We shouldn’t have to sacrifice one being bad for the other to be good. Love the vid tho!
The complaints with seasons vs episodes was never story narrative. It's the fact that we get only one hour of pve content for an entire week. It's impossible to get immersed into a story when u forget the impact of what happened 6 days 23 hours ago each week. I don't mind red border weapons and grinding stuff out. Just give me all the narrative at once to do it at my pace. Then the rest of the season I can spend target grinding the items I want. With timegating story, I find myself only playing an hour a week, getting bored, and moving on to other games the rest of the week, and I end up not grinding all my patterns and weapons because I'm actually having real fun playing other games that don't withhold the actual story from me. It's been a crap model for 4+ years. I love Failsafe but I still find myself hating this season, I'm sorry, "episode", because it's the same one hour per week timegate. Timegate exotic missions, fine. Timegate certain weapons, fine. Do not timegate story and impact.
From a storytelling standpoint, y'all gotta understand what's going on here. It's all about the build up. It takes you back to when you heard the narrator say "find out... on the next episode of Dragonball Z". Remember that?? Yeah, me too.
I'm Ok with the episodes and have hope it will get better. I'd rather have Big Expansions, build up through episodes, then on to the next Big Expansion (and so on and so forth). I just ask that they keep being innovative and experiment creatively (like the Exotic Class Item Mission and Excision).
People who keep complaining about time gating are the same people who grind Destiny all fucking day without taking breaks. It’s just a game, not your life. So many games just released last month, go play those. As someone with Family, kids etc i have plenty to do outside of gaming, y’all need to find more hobbies.
The story being time gated is to be expected. However, locking the season pass behind a 3 part cycle AND time gating it is wrong. Bungie told no one that the season pass would be split into 3 and time gated and that is massive manipulation, period.
What I would say here to the people is, don't judge Episodes with Echoes. It is VERY CLEAR that Echoes was going to be a bit lacking because it comes directly after TFS, and we know the money/hard work went all to TFS. Wait until Act 3, or Revenant and Heresy, and then make an opinion of the format.
*I want to be very clear; I’m only giving Bungie this one chance for Act 1. I saw how much was put into the Final Shape, and so I assumed it would be a weaker first act. However, if this continues, this is definitely a problem.*
Yes dad
You're setting yourself up for dissapointment
I gave them a chance with the final shape and it was awesome. Separately I gave them a chance with episodes and.... Meh. I'm not buying the next one until I see reviews which is the safer option now.
What problem? One chance? Man you will still pay for every content and cosmetics like you always do. You can say whatever but you are still buying and making content with it. If you were actually going to do something, you would not buy it.
I'd say give it an episode. Without an expansion to work on I think it's very possible the next 2 episodes will be much better and add a lot more.
The funny thing is when you go to the menu and Episode 1 is literally called season 24 😂
The obvious answer is that Act 1 of Echoes was made intentionally sparse in order to give players time to finish TFS and all post campaign content. People forget that not all destiny players are playing 8 hours a day like it's their job. It tracks that things are going to gradually build, just like they always have.
How long are we going to keep saying stuff like this? TFS campaign takes like a week to complete with only an hour or two per day. Post campaign are just some Exotic missions and finding dead ghosts. As for Echoes, you just need one hour a week to catch up on that story. Act 1 was a dud. It should have carried the momentum from TFS, but it fell flat.
😂 if your looking for something to do 30 hours a week, I suggest a job or side hustle. Destiny isn't made to supplement your real life lack of things to do. Go live your life! 😂
There isn't that much content in the final shape and you're kidding yourself if you say there is.
The timegate is too long, there is no excuse its more than enough time, plus you can choose your own pace. The time wasting is not for our benefit, its for theirs.
@@cos0 you say that, but half of my friends haven't even finished the campaign yet.
Regular people have responsabilities, work, family, etc.
Things are not that simple, and the general playerbase, the silent majority, the 9-5 dads with wife and kids are lucky if they can/want to spare 1-2 hours a week to play.
People have 40-60 hour work weeks, family they spend time with, stuff they like to do besides gaming, hanging out with friends, doing exercise, touching grass in general. It's gonna take long for people with normal lives and schedules to go through a campaign that you and me could knock out in one day or two.
There is a whole Vex Civil War and we have not seen it. Just a bunch of lore paragraphs telling us it’s happening. I need them to add story components to the gameplay. Let me 3rd party 2 Hydras fighting each other!
You just gave me the best idea. Bungie needs to add gambling to destiny so we can bet on 2 hydras fighting 😂
Bro we've seen nothing like I'm looking to pull up on the cistern and just see a huge battle field of craters and destruction with vex fighting. Imagine having to thread the needle between that
Well to be fair it does say that the vex war is microscopic. It’s the different mutations of radilolaria fighting.
The problem is that the story quests are still too predictable and follow a standard model. We want things to be shaken up. I dont want to keep doing a weekly quest each week that feels the same because its just talk to vendor, do seasonal activity, talk to vendor, if youre lucky do a quest or see a cutscene
Realistically, not too much is going to change this late in D2s life cycle
@@Boomer-12347 how exactly do you make a non predictable story constantly
And is it worth it
As in should they make crazy twist just for the sake of it
A lot of people felt the campaign was predictable because we all knew we’d fight the witness in a mission (cuz it lets everyone beat him) and even tho it was predictable af it was still surprising how it was executed
For episodes sure we predict it’s maya but so what that doesn’t tell us anything about how that boss will be executed their motives what they do in the story how we beat them etc etc
The only thing I can see that’s predictable is going to vendors and it being weekly but that’s not enough to judge a story in its entirety
It can judge execution maybe but as a whole? Nah
And (this may age bad) but act 2 could break that entire we literally won’t know till act 2 is out
@@SepticEmpire keep spitttin
Septic spittin out here fr fr
@@SepticEmpire They're not saying the story is predictable, they're saying the way it is delivered is predictable. Your defending is why the game can't even break 90k
*Ill believe it when i see it.*
Same
I'd like to be able to see anything at the moment.
Half the other players in the game are invisible.
@@spaceracer23 I was thinking it, and you said it. :D
I think Cross missed the point; it's not about liking or hating Seasons, it's more to do that Bungie said that Episodes ARE DIFFERENT from Seasons, yet there is nothing different about it.
It's still "talk to vendor, get data, go to vendor, do some other tasks (vendor bounties/patrols/etc), go to vendor, go do story mission, see you next week."
Bungie themselves marketed Episodes as something different than Seasons, but the only differences are the naming and that we have 3 instead of 4.
Cross is on the Bungie tit now he can't contradict the party line.
And we are getting less for paying more
Yup. It's just a stretched out season by another name.
Same formula, same amount of content. Even the season pass is inflated, with the same amount of cosmetics.
@Lorentz_Driver they just knew everyone hated the seasonal model so they change the name and thought no one would notice.
Just give me all the content at once and let me play it at my own pace.
I am fine with seasons and episodes. The only thing I will say is that coming back every week for 5m of narrative does massively reduce any impact it could have. For example, the stillhunt quest or the queens quest were really cool narratively because we could go through the whole quest line without waiting. If we had to wait a week to do each step of those quests, I would have not liked them that much.
Idk why EXP doesn't just roll over and you earn the appropriate rewards at the start of Act 2 instead of right away
Cross, I don’t like time-gating because it brings the story to a grinding halt (pun intended). I don’t care about getting every piece of loot or the god roll. I just want to experience more of the story and lore.
It reaches a point where the whole story just isnt done, they probably work on these till the week they drop
And if you just want to experience it all at once, wait for it to be all out and play it
@@GlutenPlayz bungie just doesn't have the capability to crunch I guess. Bungie needs to realize good games are made by hard work. Overtime hours staying late crunching miserable hour after hour In the studio. That's how you make good games.
@@jaketheman1577 bad working conditions = good game
So true bestie
@@LifeWulf u say this but if time gating didn’t exist you’d beat the story in like a week then say there’s nothing to do for 4 months
If u don’t care about loot then just don’t play till all acts are out
People don’t seem to understand this is a LIVE service game it will ALWAYS have time gating
If you want a game with story that can be explored in full and by your own progression then play Elden ring
Play any story game that ever existed
Destiny is live service first loot second and story third
(Story and loot switch places when it comes to dlc)
THATS WHAT DESTINY IS if you don’t like this it means destiny isn’t for you
Plain and simple
And if you like the story and lore just watch byf while you play other games
Stop complaining about a fundamental part of what destiny is that’s like being mad at someone for personal
Like your personalities don’t mix stop complaining about them and just move on
You complaining like this is the exact same as a toxic gf/bf complaining about their partner
Just stop
@@GlutenPlayz I hate to say it but we live in a world we're you can't be happy and get eveything you want. Everything is blood sweat and tears. More man hours goes along way. It's very common in the game industry that you are going to work really hard and really long. Finale shape was a prime example. Bungie knew what they made was going to fall flat so they delayed and started grinding. Personally idc if bungie is "woke" but I do care when it has your employees convinced that they got into a career where they supposed to work 8 hours 5 days a week like they don't get payed 100k plus a year. I really feel like bungie is like pre Elon musk Twitter. People just doing whatever barely working doing nothing. Bungie is the coworker that never does anything at work but acts surprised asf they got fired. *gasp* "I never seen this coming" yes your bitch ass did you lazy mf. Every thing they release for this game should have finale shape levels of pressure. If you don't want to be here there is the door. There is plenty of other young developers willing to take your place. Nature if business.
This is gonna be one of those quotes like "Players are gonna complain that there's too much story" from pre-D2 launch, isn't it?
Season of the Worthy was going to be "like no other time in Destiny"
I actually saw a comment that said they hated Witch Queen because the campaign was too long. Can you believe that?
@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 yes because of the idiocy in the community
@@phoenix9531Pretty sure they were talking about Arrivals, not Worthy
@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 ngl that campaign got annoying the 3rd time through on legendary.
There's a reason bungie sells campaign skips for $20
As long as they get away from the Osiris and saint love story, I'm all for it.
Yes. I have no problem that they're "together". It's the fact that it is the ONLY thing Bungie ever does with them.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we got a sex scene at some point with how hard they’re shilling them, they both have such great interactions with other characters in lore tabs but in all cinematics they’re just in love and repeating each others names endlessly
As a gay person that plays destiny with my boyfriend, we’re tired of it too
@Tezumi935 4 hour sex scene, no cutaway, is gonna be act 3
Absolutely all of this in this comment chain. We get it Bungie. This is the twenty-eighth week in a row you've shown this in show and tell, you really really like it, we understand. Can we get something else please? Like Eris and Drifter stuff, or Elsie's relief after the Final Shape for being freed from her time-loop curse, or Crow settling in as Hunter Vanguard, or any number of more fascinating stories? Give Byf and Venextron and Myelin more interesting stuff to talk about that I can listen to while driving, because I'm not going to experience it through severe time-gated predictable "content" that only serves to pad out the engagement time of your playerbase while minimizing effort for you just to make nice numbers for investors and suits to look at.
Crazy that bungie is telling us to get excited for shit that wont come out for a few more months. Episodes are going to get worse is my thought.
The multi billion dollar company telling us something wasnt possible before while cramming more microtransactions done our throats is enough to show they havent changed
Bungie has perfected the art of monetizing potential.
It's like carrot on a stick is their exotic perk.
@@justifano7046 that is the perfect way to put wow
Biggest exotic mission ever means ridiculous grinding for a mid weapon they will nerf in a week.
You had to grind for Khvostov huh
@@loneillone yes :/
@@stevenjr.5536 bruh khvostov wasn’t even nerfed it was fixed because it was doing something unintentional
Saying oh it’ll be nerfed in a week when the “nerf” is actually just a fix is kinda wild
Like ofc a gun that’s not doing something as intended is gonna be busted af
But oh look a gun that’s preformed as intended (conditional finality) has been the most used special in the game since then
It’s almost like that argument is twisted and applied whenever people are upset they can’t used a busted weapon anymore
But guns aren't supposed to be too strong to the point where they make everybody other gun useless. Luke imagine gallahorn just instant deleted everything and had infinite ammo. You would be retarded for using anything else. Balance has a place in every game. Like what's up with everyone wanting every gun to be broken and then not get nerfed? I'm genuinely curious could you answer please.
@@SepticEmpirethey straight up nerfed its ricochet bullet damage my guy. Thats just a nerf outright
i thought Episodes were gonna be mini expansions like Curse of Osiris. we get to play the story on day 1, and then they can unlock more stuff like activities, exotic missions, and weapons throughout like they’re doing now. i don’t mind time-gating if it’s like that.
Don't use curse of Osiris and expansions in the same sentence again 😂
3 story missions
2 mins of story
1 mini activity
Big no no
@trailmountain8336 there were NOT 3 story missions in curse of Osiris 😂, that story was long as he'll compared to the 4 missions in warmind the expansion after. The end game just sucked cause the infinite forest wasn't infinite, couldn't even walk in without doing an adventure, 1 public event that didn't reward anything, no sparrows in the area, etc.
@@LBPBeats story wise it is an expansion
Just not one you can do in one day then complain there’s nothing to do for 4 months
You ain't getting that for 10 bucks buddy we live in the real world
@@gambeanoyou are spot on, this stuff costs so much money to make. That being said if episodes were more like a mini expansion I would pay more.
Yeah Id love to see areas in patrol zones change, they did so back in Season of the Chosen which im not sure why they havent done it again.
I just want the story upfront not over weeks, nothing is more immersion breaking than the ever continuing “I’ll contact you when we know more”
Nah. Streamers/no-lifers would blow through everything in a day or two and then we'd get endless complaining. I don't necessarily care for this format, but as a father, husband, full-time worker, I'm appreciative of this downtime. It beats the alternative.
It's legit why I only come back for major dlcs I beat the campaign get the exotics I want then to crucible I go until the next expansion releases been doing that since forsaken after the hype died down
@@WaterGates1 Why does how other people play or enjoy the game affect you? It sounds like your poor lifestyle choices already affect your ability to play the game so why does there need to be an arbitrary time gate?
@@afilthyweeb8684 bruh go play something else. If you have all the weapons all the class items all the new goodies then take a break God damn. This new model actually lets me do shit at my own pace and make time for other games without the fear of fomo for not keeping up with the grind week to week.
Pass your harshest judgement freely once we get to act 3 at least so we can know how an entire episode will play out before passing judgment on the first act.
@loopygordo You shouldn't be blaming other players for the FOMO that BUNGIE THEMSELVES implement into the game lmfao. Actual delusion. There'd be no worry of fomo if bungie didn't arbitrarily remove seasonal/ battlepass content after a year/3 months. Players that wanna grind through it fast ge tto be happy, and slowpokes like you can enjoy it at your own leisurely time.
All you're doing is defending a multi-billion dollar company for their anti consumer practices and manipulation of the consumers' behavior and psychology.
THEY LITERALLY ALWAYS SAY, "JUST WAIT BRO, TRUST" and they always disappoint.
stop playing the game then. bet you won’t
The first time Episodes / acts dropped they were supposed to be bigger and better improved over seasons according to bungie. But this time they REALLLLY mean it. Sure bungie.......sure
The only way I can see it working out is if the acts are separated for the world building too. I.e Nessues changes act 2 because everyone should be up to date at that point. Idk, setting was a big gripe of mine and if they consistently update the location in relevance to the narrative I’m a happy camper.
@@rgentum I'd be happy if bungie actually did what they said they were going to do for once. Just meeting expectations of TFS being good is not enough.
Who said they were going to be bigger and better? Could've swore they said they were scaling back with the episode model. People make expectations up in their minds and then get mad when they aren't met. Kinda weird
Or and ik this may seem crazy af
Maybe act 1 is purposely made to have less that way people still grinding post campaign stuff can do that and not be overwhelmed
Would kinda suck to go through episode stuff right after campaign you could either do post campaign stuff and get spoiled for no doing episode fast enough
Or do episodes and never have time to do post campaign
At least this gives us a break to earn the title and get some exotic swords and class items before the real episode stuff takes place
If I’m wrong then oh well but at least I can think logically about why they might of done this rather than mob and hate bungie and make unreasonable expectations
That guy that commented isnt wrong, im yet to see a seasonal activity where im not moving and defending some shit or depositing some dumb thing. Or a combination of both, give something new man.
You’re gonna be doing so much shooting, you’re going to get tired of shooting!
".... will be bigger and greater"
AH YES, last year Paul Shillssy and some bungie devs said there was going to be a *REWORK* in TFS and what did the players got? Go to the Helm talk to X go do X activity talk to X SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Bungie can suck my wiener, but:
It's just act 1, we haven't even seen a full episode my brother.
I can't get behind the timegating defense, i know i can grind for other stuff but i mean i pay for the whole story at once. why do i not get the whole story at once?
He's a Bungie meatrider. They can do no wrong in his eyes. It's how they all are. It's why I left the game. It's almost cultish.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper well, his pile of gold is dependent on everyone playing the game. It does make sense that he would be super defensive of their actions. It would make sense for him to do what he can to make the community think positively about the game. Interesting for sure.
I really think Bungie is far too worried about activism to be focused enough on badassery and quality
Hey, if episodes can get to the quality of the story missions, I'll take it over expansions. If they add NPCs joining us to help fight like that battle against the witness, where we can SEE them helping us instead of just talking to us over comms, interacting with us and providing a stronger narrative then it's a win in my book.
I wish to know what your feeling are about the push to playing with randoms rather than playing solo, I was attracted to Destiny because of solo but new game play makes this tuff
Ever since Cross got that dirty Bungie sponsorship he’s been oddly positive 😉
Not even wrong lmao, the guy got a cash injection and was told to be nice because Bungie can't afford to have what happened last summer to happen again. Bungie would be gutted by Sony if that happens once more, and I honestly think they couldn't make it any worse than how Bungie has been for years now.
Most of those youtubers and reviewers are shills anyway. TFS is a neatly packed garbage made mostly out of old content, take the Traveler for example, you wait 10 years to learn what it really is, and in the end you learn that it's just a garbage container. Moreover, pseudo-artsy graphic design makes everything look like a cheap vaporware video, it's like someone was too much in love with 3d Studio Max from the 90s. Cheap emotional tricks are the key elements of the story, and they only work for someone who's into anime and its repetitive tropes and aforementioned cheap emotional tricks. Two weeks ago I finally uninstalled Destiny for good. It's just sad to see it end that way, but I've had enough. Guardian down.
They kept saying that about seasons for years and we only saw changes on the last 3.
I’m not sure what people were expecting. I saw it coming from light years away.
As did I, and I'm still disappointed.
you’re not special bro
Bruh exotic missions are just not worth the hype. People glaze the hell out of them but you just get the weapon and then you leave it alone forever (unless you're forced to play it multiple times for catalysts etc.)
Ya forced to play it w friends pretty much...
You explained what players do for literally everything else. Dungeons and raids are not excluded. The only difference is that one gives guaranteed drops at the end. The others are chance drops.
@@jinxx8456 If you think people run 1 dungeon or raid, you are sorely mistaken.
Kinda related, but I feel like Destiny 2 really needs a relaunch of sorts. The entire game just feels so unorganized right now.
It's hard to explain but the game kinda feels like a landfill (not implying that it's garbage) where old content is just randomally thrown into a pile instead of being reintergrated in a meaningful way, especially with content that has been impacted by vaulting. Old exotic quests that were once able to be naturally discovered by playing the game are now thrown into disconnected menus, you already start at 1900 power which both feels weird for new players and makes leveling up feel less satisfying, old important story moments are haphazardly retold in brief recaps from more menus. The holes left by vaulting has made the game feel like a mess because Bungie has just left the remnants of vaulted content on the floor.
I'm sure some people don't mind this at all but I feel like this is a major turn-off for new players. I hope my point made any sense here.
This is what access journalism looks like.
*^This*
In a good or bad way
@@flametoooth Access Journalism is designed to be easily digestible for people with low intellectually curiosity or people that aren't curious about their own bubble.
AJ always makes the parent company/product look good. Because its designed by a high end PR team to produce products like this video. There is ALOT of this on youtube.
? AJ would have nothing bad to say at all? Quite a straw man argument. God forbid nuance be in your life
@@lukelaws3545 PR-AJ exists to distract from and reaffirm the product in the direction the company wants it to go. Most American's dont really see this spin.
Im just saying is I see the invisible hand, and im calling BS.
Aztec thinks diet seasons are fine ..
so they are fine!
its FINE..
To be fair im sure everyone else that went on the PR junket in late may, Fallout etc.. or get the free limited editions, also post a video saying it FINE.
Forget the seasonal events. As a casual player I still have SO MUCH content to dive into. Still need to do Dual Destiny, get Khvostov, and attempt the raid.
Most of us aren’t power grinding the first week and completing all content.
Is there any chance we will be getting new stasis/strand supers or aspects or even a 3rd darkness subclass with the next 2 episodes?
3rd subclass, probably not, but I can definitely see new darkness supers happening
God I hope so. I would kill for more darkness supers.
@@thetachyonhivemind if they do add them, i hope they give each class a
one-and-done super or a roaming super depending on what each class already has
No, they said no new subclasses the next year or so
@@thetachyonhivemind Yeah. Stasis and Strand definitely needs an additional supers. Also more grenade types and at least one more melee for all classes.
Loved your take on the time gating part!!!! This is exactly what I think about all the time, there are sooooo many things to go out and grab. I'm loving the ergo sum grind and I just got the catalyst to work on!
Nah, this seasons story has been ass. Its supposed to be a vex story, but we've gotten 2 cutscenes about how in love Saint and Osiris are, and nothing about the vex other than "They're acting quirky guardian." Fucking pride month the season.
I understand what Cross is going for the time gating. my only point is that there are people doesn't want to grind all the stuff that they will ignore. But then again, time gating is a way that keeps the player base engaged with the game, specially with a 4 month long season.
Oh no... not another dual destiny please. As a solo player I'm on the verge of quitting. I buy every season with the annual pass since I started playing in Season of the Worthy. I was ok with raids being the only content I can't access. But now exotic missions? F*** that. I can't even get a refund for the next seasons.
P.S.: Not asking for easier content, not socially anxious or anything, I just like playing alone. It's relaxing. Heck, give me a solo grandmaster level of challenge. But literally locking it behind team play and calling it "creativity" is just nonsense.
I think we’re going to Torobatl and possibly Rhys in the future. They alluded to it in a conversation between Caityl and Zavala in Final Shape. And Rhys was discussed as well. Just my guess.
ah yes let me spend two weeks grinding for a sword that I won't even use
I actually don't mind that there's a longer break between the ax. It gives us more time to do other things because there's actually a lot to do in the game right now like a lot
Bungie’s motto really is “just wait for the good stuff” like they haven’t been saying the same shit for 10 years
I miss season roadmaps
Destiny fans are truly in an abusive relationship. They're genuinely gaslit into thinking the next thing is going to be good. While TFS is good, it's just a good general expansion. It just seemed so amazing because everything was dogwater in comparison. It HAD to be good. The fact that Bungie knows what makes there expansions good and only puts the effort when their back is against the wall is shameful. D2 fans are about to go back to the same cycle. You all hyped and praised TFS so much they're going to think they can get away with half-assing anything after, and then once people finally see it's dogwater they will make another good expansion a year after. The cycle continues .
Did we not get the good stuff with final shape ? Destiny is arguably the best it’s been in a long time. The first season is always sparse after a major release. Hopefully they can deliver. Bungie doesn’t really have a choice but to do better and give us good content
@@Jacksonmontyart Thank you. Someone that uses their brain other than negative complaining bullshit!
@@PoppyPancakeThank you, TFS is not good enough to justify it being delayed for 6 months.
they can’t change nessus because of key activities that are there… the public events, the lost sector entrances, the fishing spots… all would have to be remolded as well and such.
Look, sure we’ll have an exotic quest and 1-2 new activities but it’s still the same stuff and we always overestimate bungie when they say things like this, they never do the logical thing like actually change the patrol space, change up the time gate logic or do anything new
The problem with the episodes is the season pass being paused and all out xp earned from did not being applied to the future ranks meaning now of we won't want to be so far behind when the next act pops we have to bounty hoard and save challenge turn ins to not waste xp...
I believe it when I fucking see it, Echoes has been lame as fuck so far.
I actually like timegates. I feel its gives me some structure, helps me focus on certain things and like i dont need to rush because the rest isnt available yet
We don't need bigger missions. We need a bigger goal to work towards to keep us playing. Look at something like the atlas in PoE. You have the goal of reaching the end of the atlas, all while the game progressively gets harder. This has you seeking out loot so that you can push your build further to its limits. Destiny doesn't have that. You do the campaign and the raid, and maybe some one off missions. And then what? All you do is get loot for the sake of getting loot.
You know people would complain about that too right? Destiny appeals to a much wider audience than PoE - it'd be like comparing PoE to Diablo again. Diablo IS a worse game (in most regards) imo but it appeals to far more people than PoE. Yes Destiny could give you that grind and content just like diablo could but that isn't their goal because thats not their target audience.
@@skylerfreeman1173 Ok. Then let's continue down the same path that will continue to slowly lose its most dedicated fans. Destiny has no future as long as this keeps up.
"Biggest Exotic Mission" watch it have 200 steps lol
the issue is the slow tempo drip fed content. I get that bungie wants us to log in week after week but if thats the case, give a full weeks worth of content not just an hour or two of running errands for a vendor. OR open up all 25 or 49 or whatever number of steps the quest has on day 1 and let me run it start to finish, all steps, in one mega 24 hour stint if i want to. The method by which we get the content doesnt really matter. Episodes are fine and so are seasons. Its the quality, frequency and quantity of the content that matters. This game has a horrible habit of getting a plot moving and then hitting a quest gate that makes me wait a week while a vendor analyzes a sample?? thats basically telling me to play destiny for 2 hours or so, then spend the rest of the week on another game if i want a non-repetitive experience. there needs be something we can do in the meantime to progress the quest that isnt a repeatable, predictable, boring and prematurely flaccid seasonal activity. the first few runs of new seasonal activities are fun, but after that newness wears off it just becomes a chore to log in and do the same thing again and again.
Mindlessly farming roles is not a good argument against time gating
on the topic and the seasonal experience, you get rewards still for continued leveling, its in the bottom right of the seasonal rewards screen
“Biggest exotic mission” 😁 instead of 6 weeks it’ll take 12 weeks 😁 bUnGiE
stop playing the game then
so me and my brother was looking at the Traveler and thought about how they said that they would never put expansions in the DVC again but that leaves the question..is the portal to the Pale Heart will ever close? Because lore wise it should unless theres forever a portal to the pale heart, this COULD mean that D3 will close the portal and we start anew.
When you do some of the activities, it says it happens 3 days before the witness
Because those activities take place 3 days before the fight with the witness; it’s to keep the dialogue relevant because it doesn’t work post-final shape
Those are some of the post campaign missions. They originally happened during the waiting period after the campaign, and before the raid released, which is why it's noted that way.
@@rgentumThe lake of shadows remake came out in light fall. That's not 3 days before the witness. It's a glitch. Same thing with the disgraced which is the new light strike. Again, it's a bug.
@@dredgenspace The remakes happened forever ago, sure, but the dialogue has been adjusted with new characters from Final Shape, Cayde and Micah 10; and their dialogue is relevant to the in-between stage of launch and the three day period to the raid
@@dredgenspacedude fym ‘a bug’ lmao. Ah yeah cause a whole new dialogue set added to each of those strikes with new final shape characters was a ‘bug’ …
“If you don’t like the episode don’t play”
Me who got the €100 edition of DLC and pre paid for the episodes: 👁️👄👁️
After seeing the leaked cutscenes I might want the seasonal model back. This episodic model is genuinely worse in every way so far.
We aren’t even 1/3rd of the way through if quite yet…
@@jimmcmeen761 Literally nothing is going to change holy shit, there are 3 battlegrounds coming out in act 2, want me to tell you how act 2 is going to play out.
Week1: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
Week2: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
Week3: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
And then another 3 week break until act 3
@@Alckee6904 maybe things are this way cuz people always leak it? Not entirely but probably a large reason
They didn’t wanna do secret missions cuz they wouldn’t be secret and what do you know every detail about the mission was known day one and people had guides within the same hour
If that happened to be I’d do the same boring thing all the time too cuz the moment I try to surprise or do something different everyone already knows and it ruins the point
For raids it’s different but I’m sure people leak that too and how would you feel if a team that got first saw leaks and already knew the raid
This isn’t always the case but I think this is one of the reasons bungie doesn’t make changes that much
The fact people already know act 2 is crazy
Like you literally don’t want to be surprised
saint could die tomorrow and you’d already know
How can someone who knows that kind of info also say “episodes are worse in every way so far”
Like ofc it’s worse you already know everything
Bruh
@@SepticEmpire Firstly this is definitely a company issue not a player issue. You one company that people leave the hell alone Nintendo!. They will sue until there is nothing left. Anyway though passion and all that is cool and I understand they don't want they're surprises reveal but who gives a flying fuck. They are a business of they want to make money they are going to have to start making a game worth playing otherwise they will have another pre finale shape situation. They also need to start legally going after leakers. Start ruining life's like other companies do make leaking something that is way to risky.
@SepticEmpire no bungie just let's people like you use it as excuses for them lol oh no extra content for leaked so cares lol at least it'd be in game. Crafting definitely is a double edged sword tho. When into the light came out and I had to farm shinies I wouldn't get as bored. But the check list loop they created only really hurts them. Idrc either way
Loving the invisible shite.
Even better this week.... pinnacles are dropping as powerful.
I think there is more of an incentive to just wait for everything to be out before jumping back in.
we need annual expansions because thats where they always put the raid. it would be weird if a raid was tied to seasonal story imo but im sure they COULD pull it off
"Just keep giving us money, we have disappointed you for a decade now, but if you buy our season pass, it will be better this time, we swear."
I disagree with the time gate argument for episodes. A lot of stuff is based on how. Much you play. Specimens tied behind the material collected in breach executable, specimens on the failed reward path for first reset.
I’m still coping that since this was the first episode that it’ll be smaller compared to the other 2.
Was? We've only seen act 1
We're still in this episode, there's still 2 acts left
100%, compare Defiance and Deep for example
@@flamingscar5263we know what we’re getting for the act 2 and 3 already, just a single exotic a few legendary weapons, and another boring battlegrounds activity
Cross hits it on the head with the time gating issue. Being a Dad the episodes help me follow a story and make time to "catch up" on content I haven't completed (i.e. dungeons, raids, my other classes, red borders, etc.). Cross could look at my vault and be like "Damn! I'm with the government and here to help."
when is the stream where they talk about frontiers ?
unknown yet but prob soon
Did they mention frontiers specifially or just 'future of d2'? Because the latter was bait that they only tall about the seasons, its already long time ago.
add seasonal new exotic class itens on new missions= inflation on player retention( also make them fugly and sell a good looking ornament)
I work a 50- 60 hr work week, sometimes i dont always have tome to do every single pinnacle
Cross. The D2 community will NEVER STOP COMPLAINING. Ever. Regardless of what Bungie does or doesn't put out. It is what it is.
I love that we all go to Paul for news, but he doesn't actually get the interviews. GamesRadar does. About episodes, they ALWAYS say "wait till xyz, it'll be the best/biggest ever". Wish they could just stick the landing on seasons/episodes just once rather than promise next time.
It is kinda funny how Paul is THE destiny journalist but he never gets any interviews with bungie
His only source he had at Bungie was the racist chick who use to write the TWABs but got fired. Thats why he is so bitter towards Bungie now.
@@vernonhowell4070Not trying to be rude here I'm genuinely curious about this. Source? I need to read up on this. This sounds crazy.
I'll keep episodes. It's giving the devs time to give extra content and even hear from the community and get a pulse on what we wanna see.
"The dragonsh are coming! The pizza is coming!"
Bungie: "We've listened, we've heard you, we promise to do better, good stuff is coming".
Bungie: *nerfs titans again, doesn't fix old gameplay bugs, fires some more people.*
The one thing that confuses me about patrol zones is that they don't change with the times. I think we haven't seen a significant change to an area since Season of the Chosen with the Proving Grounds Strike. So for Nessus to not undergo any change when it's clear to see in seasonal activities is just mind boggling.
My biggest complaint about episodes is the 3 weeks of nothing new.
I enjoy the weekly seasonal model that gave me new objectives each week -- I really REALLY think that episode 1 , act 1 is just so slow narrative wise and that’s why it’s aggravating
I don't put stock in the Ahamkara. Bungie needs to show us.
1: What does this "Bigger" exotic quest mean? If it's a Dungeon, I'll refer you to Wish-Ender. If it's a 6man, I'll refer you to Necrocasm. Exactly WHAT are we talking about? Another Whisper/Zero Hour? Been there, done that. Niobe Labs? Yawn. All of these have been done already, so the episodic model didn't offer anything that couldn't and HASN'T been done already. Details Bungie, we need DETAILS.
2: Making minor changes to an activity is blahzay as well. If they're changing activities up, it needs to be MAJOR. I'm talking about taking an area and completely defacing it. I want to see Vexifaction everywhere, pools drained, the Network breaking through reality and slowly merging with Nessus as the Acts progress. If all it is is some dialogue, that ain't meaningful, nor is it something that requires an episodic model.
I remember the content and story drought that was post d2 vanilla campaign. How there was nothing to do or look forward to.
And i remain grateful for the season formant for giving me stories to come back to week to week
Exactly but people will complain no matter what unfortunately
@@bradycalderazzo2455
Yeah! People always find a way
There are content droughts regardless did you just forget the pass 3 years? Selective memory working overtime lmao
@@Blanktester685 naw personally I didn't run out of things to do, it sucked she the season story ended. But that gave me time to work on dungeons, complete challenges for bright dust, and get the few raid I can do with my friends because of my work schedule.
Crazy part to me is that if Bungie gave everything on day one, people would complain there's nothing to do or look forward to. I'm not saying Episodes will be amazing, but having something new every 6 weeks sounds pretty good to me, especially if it's high quality and is bringing new weapons and unlocks too. Have a feeling the game might feel busier more often with this, but we'll just have to see
as far as episode being mini expansions from here on out instead of Big annule expansions, It comes down to a few things for me. 1. How good the episodes are,(which yes I think Act 1 is gonna be the weakest but will ramp up later). and the 2nd thing is what would the price model of Episodes look like and how often as well as would they include new dungeons and Exotic missions or would they be moved to like what we have now with a dungeon pass. like if episodes where say 3-6 months long and included a large exotic mission and say every other episode a dungeon for say sake of augment around $40 USD then yeah might go for that. Otherwise I think the yearly model and getting everything for $100 a year would be better for the player base from a money stand point but not by much, only say $20 cheaper. Just my thoughts on it.
If you believe that I have great farm land on top of Mount Everest for you
I haven’t seen anyone talk about it but doesn’t having 1 less season/episode mean that we now get 1 less season pass exotic, 1 less exotic mission/craftable exotic and one less exotic catalyst for our already owned weapons?
Honestly what are people expecting? What insane vision do you have in your head on what we were going to get in episodes? It’s not a new game, it’s D2. If you don’t like Destiny you would think after 10 years some of these people would move the heck on. It would be like going to the same Deli every week, getting the potato salad and then going “god I can’t stand potato salad”. STOP EATING POTATO SALAD IF YOU DONT LIKE POTATO SALAD.
"I hate destiny its my favorite game"
You need some knee pads bro??Jesus calm down💀
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We are talking about people here and people are not known to be intelligent I had several customers who use to say Dunkin donuts had better coffee every day when they bought there coffee and it was legit across the street u could see it from our front window but yet they would come here and say out coffee is worse like people are stupid get use to it
@@helix6206 forgot to spit on it cause nah bro is really blowing bubbles over there 😭😭😭🤣🤣😂😂😂 . I offered him some cushioned knee pads LOL
I’m sad we couldn’t see cause act with failsafe again they where such a good duo in the red war campaign
“Please don’t leave, we promise it won’t be shit”
stop playing the game
@@JosePerez-gd7sm stop swallowing the game
@@expressvpn8433 not a good comeback 😂try again
@@expressvpn8433 this is why you have no family 😂😂
@@expressvpn8433 took you 2 days to think of a comeback too. i always get to the smooth brainers way easier 😂
Vex Thanos emerges!!
“….. can you please go collect some nice colorful rocks for me, Guardian?”
Unfortunately it's been 10 years since the next update will be better Destiny 2 is a stick with a carrot at the end and we are left believing in it...
lol
I’m cool with timegating to an extent. The narrative ok fine…but why timegate the red death catalyst? What was wrong with Banshee selling it day 1?
And the question at the end whether I rather have a good expansion or a good season, why can’t we have them both be good? We shouldn’t have to sacrifice one being bad for the other to be good. Love the vid tho!
I just want them to add PvP content. Trials and crucible weapons PLEASE
They just dropped a free map pack and there’s new pvp weapons actually worth getting rn
@@hatchell18 There are two new PvP weapons in a $100 DLC.
@@SuperRaids13 there’s way more then 2 new weapons. And it’s a 50 dollar dlc not 100
@@hatchell18 There are 2 new PvP weapons.
@@SuperRaids13 nope way more then 2
The complaints with seasons vs episodes was never story narrative. It's the fact that we get only one hour of pve content for an entire week. It's impossible to get immersed into a story when u forget the impact of what happened 6 days 23 hours ago each week. I don't mind red border weapons and grinding stuff out. Just give me all the narrative at once to do it at my pace. Then the rest of the season I can spend target grinding the items I want. With timegating story, I find myself only playing an hour a week, getting bored, and moving on to other games the rest of the week, and I end up not grinding all my patterns and weapons because I'm actually having real fun playing other games that don't withhold the actual story from me. It's been a crap model for 4+ years. I love Failsafe but I still find myself hating this season, I'm sorry, "episode", because it's the same one hour per week timegate. Timegate exotic missions, fine. Timegate certain weapons, fine. Do not timegate story and impact.
"If You Don't Like It, Don't Play It" 👍
Helldivers 2 and first descendent are here. I'm long gone.
I miss seeing everyone out farming like on Neomuna with the vex incursion event. I like the Pale heart but it’s so empty
No flegs in 10 rogs bro fell off
hope we get a 3rd darkness subclass. Having only 2 and then 3 light subclasses really bothers my ocd
If bungie tells you the sky is blue, they're lying. I cannot wait for the Sony take over
From a storytelling standpoint, y'all gotta understand what's going on here. It's all about the build up. It takes you back to when you heard the narrator say "find out... on the next episode of Dragonball Z". Remember that?? Yeah, me too.
The story IN GAME is basically non existent.
You are incompetent 🤡
I'm Ok with the episodes and have hope it will get better. I'd rather have Big Expansions, build up through episodes, then on to the next Big Expansion (and so on and so forth). I just ask that they keep being innovative and experiment creatively (like the Exotic Class Item Mission and Excision).
still having a hard time caring.
I hope the new exotic mission is a corridors of time/niobe labs 2.0
People who keep complaining about time gating are the same people who grind Destiny all fucking day without taking breaks. It’s just a game, not your life. So many games just released last month, go play those. As someone with Family, kids etc i have plenty to do outside of gaming, y’all need to find more hobbies.
Welp, they have a right to complain when you pay all this money for each season .
@@Criss_P_Baycon Don’t pay if you’re gonna complain, everyone knows what’s in store when they spend their money
Can we please update the patrol areas as new things happen? It should have started with the battlegrounds stuff
1.2 million players have already left & it's going to get worse.
you can’t just throw out a number and expect people to follow you 😂
The story being time gated is to be expected. However, locking the season pass behind a 3 part cycle AND time gating it is wrong. Bungie told no one that the season pass would be split into 3 and time gated and that is massive manipulation, period.
Aye man.....how much is bungie cutting you for these outrageous vids?
What I would say here to the people is, don't judge Episodes with Echoes. It is VERY CLEAR that Echoes was going to be a bit lacking because it comes directly after TFS, and we know the money/hard work went all to TFS.
Wait until Act 3, or Revenant and Heresy, and then make an opinion of the format.