I love Biophagus, I don’t think gyre sage is really worth it but I run Biophagus, bloom tender, and incubation Druid all at the four mana slot for the incredible upside, I also have Neoform to get them out
2:30 The cheapest Tap: Proliferate that I could find was 4 mana. There are 1 offs that Proliferate for 1 or 2 mana, but no +1/+1 counter nor ability (besides flash, etc) to proliferate again. The sword is an option to have a permanent that can proliferate more than once. If part of ones Atraxa deck is Poison counters, then the Sword should stay. While I don't have an Atraxa deck (I do have an Ixhel one) I will have to agree that almost all these cards would not make the cut.
Hating thrummingbird and grateful apparition is kinda crazy. I understand why, but I see it as an opportunity to keep proliferating instead of a onetime effect with an instant or sorcery.
It always blows my mind that people run things that actually don't work in their deck. It hadn't even occurred to me that someone might run Propaganda in their superfriends.
This is an atraxa infect mind set which makes perfect sense to remove slow spells when playing small bodies that has infect. In the mind of Toxic however some of the cards mentioned are pretty good in the deck
Vivid Creek (and similar) would benefit from being a snow land. Then Jorn would untap all snow permanents when it attacks, thus doubling the amount of blue (or any color if it has the charge counters for it).
See what you do is play your thrumming bird, then equip it with your sword of truth and justice... make it big and scary and make those white flying blockers irrelevant
I use key word counters in my atraxa, and all the cards that copy or move the counter onto other creatures. The ajins from kamigawa and the blue praetor provide the indestructible counters.
I run 23 planeswalkers in my Atraxa Superfriends deck and it runs really smoothly with that many but it's been around for a long time and has been tweaked alot over time
Cool video! My brother has a budget Atraxa poison deck and he uses many of the cards shown in this video. I'll share it with him even though he's the most toxic player in the playgroup
Triggered by Vraska the Unseen. 18:04 I have Carth the Lion as one of my favorite commander decks to play. It runs 30 planeswalkers, 32 if you count the Liliana and Nissa creatures that flip into planeswalkers. Not in my list, never will be. Granted its not a budget list, but Vraska Relic Seeker from Ixalan is infinitely better for one more mana.
I always wondered what is the corresponding keyword for the green color on Atraxa? white - lifelink / vigilance blue - flying black - deathtouch green - ???
I made a infect/toxic budget deck with leisa forgotten archangel with those low to the ground creatures and its been pretty good in my playgtoups It is on moxfield its called liesa forgotten counters
Day 57 of guessing the Moxfield ad at 16:44. I have this deck, which isn't that surprising given that it's the most popular deck on EDHREC, but I never really play it much anymore. It's probably time to take it apart
The emblem on ajani does work a bit better with all the proliferation you are already running and it can't be interacted with... But still not as good as so many other walkers. Cool though
I realy Like the tj sword Not for atraxa but for the Scorpion god and Equipment Decks. In the Scorpion god you dont have to mutch proli cards. Also IT snowballs realy quick.
I added Dark Depths to my Atraxa list to Proliferate it’s ice counters so I can gaslight my opponents into not immediately making me archenemy by claiming “fair gameplay”.
I mean there's a couple ways to build attraxa. Some of it is getting poison counters on them all at once, instead of killing one person by turn 2 and the table murdering you can build up the poison counters all at once with a lot of proliferate and spells. My comment is in response, to all the little small toxic and infect creatures listed
Four knocks has vanishing 4 even without proliferate its good. Ajani, Sleeper agent is a great card its easy to activate his -6 even the turn you cast him. Geth's summons is an ok card when you play atraxa super friends 4 mana for 1-5 blockers.
ngl, the sword is great to just slap on Atraxa, extra protection and almost guarateed a hit with the prot and flying. atraxa t4 then the sword and swing
Why not keep sword of truth and justice. It puts them on a 2 turn timer to commander damage death with atraxa. It's an extra win-con in a single card if they don't have removal early. turn 3 - play atraxa turn 4 - play and equip sword of truth and justice > swing with atraxa for 6 commander. give +1/+1 and then proliferate that twice (1 sword, 1 atraxa) turn 5 - swing again with atraxa who is now 9/9 with 6 keywords. (15 commander total) turn 6 - swing again with atraxa who is now a 12/12. assuming no other proliferates or boosts from planeswalkers. for 27 commander (death. and a 2 turn kill for anyone else).
You didn't address what cards I should avoid for my Atraxa Level Up deck... I went with something different besides the typical infect/counters decks people play with her. :)
While I've been convinced to cut Ajani, Sleeper Agent, I do think you guys are *a little* low on him. The Superfriends deck can struggle to close out a game. His -3 and his ult both provide (divergent) avenues to that end. The -3 doesn't just make Atraxa a 3-shot, it introduces more counters for her to proliferate, but it benefits off her lifelink. That matters because she also has vigilance, so she becomes a much better deterrent. Furthermore, Ajani Emblem doesn't have to kill 3 players to be worthwhile. Even if it kills just one that was enough. And you'll do it by just playing the game with Atraxa in play. Furthermore, with ability copying synergies already present in the deck, you can sometimes double up on both effects. That said, yeah. The +1 is dookie and probably disqualifying.
I actually disagree on the counter spells. Usually, when im wanting to counter a spell, it's late enough in the game where my opponents will already have 3+ poison counters. Additionally, I found that trying to have the extra pip for a classic counter spell was an issue because of how many pips you need in atraxa overall.
Who is information for? I have 2 atraxa decks and never even seen some of these cards. If this is for new players just know that if your not prepared yet to play this deck you will get rolled by the table pulling out a deck with a bad stigma. This information seems bad for experienced players...
This information is based on EDHREC inclusions as they allude to a few times throughout the video. Basically, they look for % of decks including these cards to see if it's frequently used and if so they include it in the topic.
@@RedOphiuchus even then the information is off because there is no way to really get updated info. The thing with that information is that people used to put in those cards back then as they were the only cards around. I don't really think people know how to do research on some of this stuff. This is the same with the edhrec cast, they see info and will put something challenging the stats without properly checking up if they are in recent decks. Like some of this info is from really old decks when you didn't have a variety, I've asked if there was a way to narrow cards that were put in recently as opposed to how unique they are.
lol tell me who's paying 4 mana for your remora. no one. there's a reason remora is the ̶2̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ 3rd best (now that One Ring exists) draw engine in the entire format
Stop playing Atraxa as a dedicated +1+1 counter Commander! Run Reyhan/Ishai so you have an Ozolith effect in the Command Zone, which makes your deck 100x more resilient while drawing less hate. You can thank me later.
Reyhan with Blade of Selves is also a commander damage kill as early as turn 3. T1 Sol Ring/Mana Crypt into Blade of Selves. T2 Reyhan. T3 Equip and swing. 2 Reyhan tokens are created and both die to the legend rule. The 6 counters from the dying Reyhans are seen and replaced by all 3 Reyhans for 18 counters on the equipped 3/3. Kicked Rite of Replication is 90 counters. This sort of counters abuse gets out of hand with extra and double counters effects.
better yet... don't play atraxa... lol... I keep meaning to build one with all the weird counters from alpha to tempest... jank like takklemaggot and lesser werewolf
I think this video is ok, however, I think it would be better to tell us what to replace each card with card for card because just saying to cut stuff isn't helpful if you don't give us something to put in their place.
I think the general assumption that most people have is that when making a commander deck you have a large list of cards you think would be good inclusions and you trim down until you select your deck. The default assumed suggestion in these videos is to cut the cards they're suggesting and replace them with just about anything that almost made your list the first time through but barely didn't make the cut.
@@RedOphiuchus sure but I have some of these cards in my Atraxa deck already. So the video isn't that helpful. I imagine others are in the same boat. It's great they want to help but it feels weird to say cut a bunch of these but not say what to use as a replacement. Especially for newer players (like me) who barely know what cards exist.
@nickchaput219 to be fair, in the beginning of each section, they give general cards to replace anything that doesn't fit. Cheap instants and sorceries that proliferate, even if they don't do much else, as the general one. Cheap creatures that can give poison counters for poison strategies. The only thing I don't think they didn't give too many suggestions for was the planeswalker strategy but they did list off at least a couple.
I feel like a lot of these opinions are completely ignoring what Atraxa does for the deck, especially for Ajani, Sleeper Agent. No, you don't need to play 15 creatures or Planeswalkers to kill the table with poison damage, because you're going to be proliferating to reach the end point, which is the entire point of the commander.
Definitely do this for all sorts of popular commanders!
Suggest keeping Biophagus to get that first counter on Atraxa to start proliferating her on turn 3.
I love Biophagus, I don’t think gyre sage is really worth it but I run Biophagus, bloom tender, and incubation Druid all at the four mana slot for the incredible upside, I also have Neoform to get them out
I've been thinking about retooling my Atraxa deck for awhile. Glad to have a guide that takes into account new cards.
What was in your Atraxa deck before and what did you change (if you went through with changing it)?
Biophagus easily puts counter onto Atraxa which is why it probably deserves a slot.
2:30 The cheapest Tap: Proliferate that I could find was 4 mana. There are 1 offs that Proliferate for 1 or 2 mana, but no +1/+1 counter nor ability (besides flash, etc) to proliferate again. The sword is an option to have a permanent that can proliferate more than once. If part of ones Atraxa deck is Poison counters, then the Sword should stay.
While I don't have an Atraxa deck (I do have an Ixhel one) I will have to agree that almost all these cards would not make the cut.
Hating thrummingbird and grateful apparition is kinda crazy. I understand why, but I see it as an opportunity to keep proliferating instead of a onetime effect with an instant or sorcery.
It always blows my mind that people run things that actually don't work in their deck. It hadn't even occurred to me that someone might run Propaganda in their superfriends.
This was a nice change of pace, I would love to see more this type of deep dives to certain popular deck archetypes!
28:45 Corrupted Conscience was so much fun in limited. 😂
This is an atraxa infect mind set which makes perfect sense to remove slow spells when playing small bodies that has infect.
In the mind of Toxic however some of the cards mentioned are pretty good in the deck
would u mind elaborating? im trying to build my toxic poison counters atraxa for an event
Vivid Creek (and similar) would benefit from being a snow land. Then Jorn would untap all snow permanents when it attacks, thus doubling the amount of blue (or any color if it has the charge counters for it).
See what you do is play your thrumming bird, then equip it with your sword of truth and justice... make it big and scary and make those white flying blockers irrelevant
Legit the slickest Moxfield transition
I use key word counters in my atraxa, and all the cards that copy or move the counter onto other creatures. The ajins from kamigawa and the blue praetor provide the indestructible counters.
You also have daring fiendbonder for indestructible from the graveyard
Nice I'll have to check it out
I run 23 planeswalkers in my Atraxa Superfriends deck and it runs really smoothly with that many but it's been around for a long time and has been tweaked alot over time
Can i ser your list?
Yeah I run 19 and it runs great.
Cool video! My brother has a budget Atraxa poison deck and he uses many of the cards shown in this video. I'll share it with him even though he's the most toxic player in the playgroup
The deck that wants Empowered Autogenerator is the deck that wants Voltaic Key. 7:32
as someoe who lost to exacly those two cards yesterday: yes.
@@SWAT6809 Did they also use Rings of Brighthearth?
I played against Mia atraxa deck at magicon vegas and it is very strong. The entire table had to aim at her otherwise dead by poison turn 6 or 7.
Damn, I’d love to get a list!
@@Dtosziit's on their moxfield profile
Triggered by Vraska the Unseen. 18:04 I have Carth the Lion as one of my favorite commander decks to play. It runs 30 planeswalkers, 32 if you count the Liliana and Nissa creatures that flip into planeswalkers. Not in my list, never will be. Granted its not a budget list, but Vraska Relic Seeker from Ixalan is infinitely better for one more mana.
I always wondered what is the corresponding keyword for the green color on Atraxa?
white - lifelink / vigilance
blue - flying
black - deathtouch
green - ???
I have thought this before and here is my answer/guess
W: vigilance
U: flying
B: lifelink
G: deathtouch
Nice video, i loved your take on ajani haha. its all over the place
Awh man i love phyrexian swarmlord, probably because it was my first precon, my dad got me the infect deck and i was hated
I made a infect/toxic budget deck with leisa forgotten archangel with those low to the ground creatures and its been pretty good in my playgtoups
It is on moxfield its called liesa forgotten counters
Contagion engine?
could you do this for the ur dragon?
Went there mutate route with mines and can definitely agree mana is a huge issue!
Day 57 of guessing the Moxfield ad at 16:44. I have this deck, which isn't that surprising given that it's the most popular deck on EDHREC, but I never really play it much anymore. It's probably time to take it apart
We need replacement suggestions for all these.
The emblem on ajani does work a bit better with all the proliferation you are already running and it can't be interacted with... But still not as good as so many other walkers. Cool though
You stick Prosthetic Injector or Necrogen Communion on Thrumming Bird, and on turn 3 you have a very real threat.
Everflowing challis is not just an atraxa card imo it is one of the best 2mana rocks out there.
I realy Like the tj sword Not for atraxa but for the Scorpion god and Equipment Decks. In the Scorpion god you dont have to mutch proli cards. Also IT snowballs realy quick.
I hate cutting truth and justice, it's my favorite sword ever, but sometimes you just have to.
I added Dark Depths to my Atraxa list to Proliferate it’s ice counters so I can gaslight my opponents into not immediately making me archenemy by claiming “fair gameplay”.
I mean there's a couple ways to build attraxa. Some of it is getting poison counters on them all at once, instead of killing one person by turn 2 and the table murdering you can build up the poison counters all at once with a lot of proliferate and spells. My comment is in response, to all the little small toxic and infect creatures listed
Four knocks has vanishing 4 even without proliferate its good. Ajani, Sleeper agent is a great card its easy to activate his -6 even the turn you cast him. Geth's summons is an ok card when you play atraxa super friends 4 mana for 1-5 blockers.
Calling Ajani emblem “nothing” is a HOT take. No one plays him in planeswalker Atraxa. Hes for poison decks
Someone asked me today where you guys found Mia, so I told them yall found her outside lol 😆 I had no answer.
Can you guys do a Tiamat deck tech!? No one ever does Tiamat 😢🥺😭
ngl, the sword is great to just slap on Atraxa, extra protection and almost guarateed a hit with the prot and flying. atraxa t4 then the sword and swing
To be fair you get protection from the 2 colors most likely to have flyers.
I run my atraxa with tutors and alot of defense spells turn 4 there already at 6 poison counter with out using atraxa
mind sharing your list? im building an atraxa poison :)
@@danieldejesusyanezhernande4675 I got you ill make the list
@@deathday3490same here, I'd like to have your list as well, please! 😊
Why not keep sword of truth and justice. It puts them on a 2 turn timer to commander damage death with atraxa. It's an extra win-con in a single card if they don't have removal early.
turn 3 - play atraxa
turn 4 - play and equip sword of truth and justice > swing with atraxa for 6 commander. give +1/+1 and then proliferate that twice (1 sword, 1 atraxa)
turn 5 - swing again with atraxa who is now 9/9 with 6 keywords. (15 commander total)
turn 6 - swing again with atraxa who is now a 12/12. assuming no other proliferates or boosts from planeswalkers. for 27 commander (death. and a 2 turn kill for anyone else).
You didn't address what cards I should avoid for my Atraxa Level Up deck... I went with something different besides the typical infect/counters decks people play with her. :)
I actually just sat down on moxfeild to make an atraxa deck and then I saw this notification, nerds coming in clutch
Signets are a 3 mana investment so you're always -1 on signets.
I prefer phyrexian swarmlord over moxfield!
Ghostly quarter is kinda good if your playing poison since everyone wants to kill you:()
Empowered autogenerator belongs only in non-green big mana decks.
Me: having non of these cards in the deck....
Doubling season is brutal in atraxa super friends
Next do Norin. ^_^
While I've been convinced to cut Ajani, Sleeper Agent, I do think you guys are *a little* low on him. The Superfriends deck can struggle to close out a game. His -3 and his ult both provide (divergent) avenues to that end. The -3 doesn't just make Atraxa a 3-shot, it introduces more counters for her to proliferate, but it benefits off her lifelink. That matters because she also has vigilance, so she becomes a much better deterrent. Furthermore, Ajani Emblem doesn't have to kill 3 players to be worthwhile. Even if it kills just one that was enough. And you'll do it by just playing the game with Atraxa in play. Furthermore, with ability copying synergies already present in the deck, you can sometimes double up on both effects.
That said, yeah. The +1 is dookie and probably disqualifying.
But mine isn't that kind of Atraxa deck...
13:57 is my guess
It's a good guess!
Doubling season is just insane, once it resolves theres almost nothing oponents cant do agains PW
I actually disagree on the counter spells. Usually, when im wanting to counter a spell, it's late enough in the game where my opponents will already have 3+ poison counters. Additionally, I found that trying to have the extra pip for a classic counter spell was an issue because of how many pips you need in atraxa overall.
22:16
Oh noo, if tezzerets gambit is here i cant listen.
It's actually not, but we were on the fence lol
@@NitpickingNerds good, you already told me no grave titan 😆
Who is information for? I have 2 atraxa decks and never even seen some of these cards. If this is for new players just know that if your not prepared yet to play this deck you will get rolled by the table pulling out a deck with a bad stigma. This information seems bad for experienced players...
This information is based on EDHREC inclusions as they allude to a few times throughout the video. Basically, they look for % of decks including these cards to see if it's frequently used and if so they include it in the topic.
@@RedOphiuchus even then the information is off because there is no way to really get updated info. The thing with that information is that people used to put in those cards back then as they were the only cards around. I don't really think people know how to do research on some of this stuff. This is the same with the edhrec cast, they see info and will put something challenging the stats without properly checking up if they are in recent decks. Like some of this info is from really old decks when you didn't have a variety, I've asked if there was a way to narrow cards that were put in recently as opposed to how unique they are.
I would put not even one of those card in an atraxa deck. Not even Planeswalker because they are shit.
You're not tall, you're just tall compared to her.
My doctor said I was tall :(
Look at his proportions. He is clearly tall and lanky
hi beezy
I have to hard disagree with 4 knocks getting a guaranteed card every turn is better then the 1 card you might draw off of remora
lol tell me who's paying 4 mana for your remora. no one. there's a reason remora is the ̶2̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ 3rd best (now that One Ring exists) draw engine in the entire format
@@benbarclay4239 yeah but remora is only gonna be around for a turn or 2 and it's very easy to play around for that turn or 2
Stop playing Atraxa as a dedicated +1+1 counter Commander! Run Reyhan/Ishai so you have an Ozolith effect in the Command Zone, which makes your deck 100x more resilient while drawing less hate. You can thank me later.
Reyhan with Blade of Selves is also a commander damage kill as early as turn 3. T1 Sol Ring/Mana Crypt into Blade of Selves. T2 Reyhan. T3 Equip and swing. 2 Reyhan tokens are created and both die to the legend rule. The 6 counters from the dying Reyhans are seen and replaced by all 3 Reyhans for 18 counters on the equipped 3/3. Kicked Rite of Replication is 90 counters. This sort of counters abuse gets out of hand with extra and double counters effects.
Atraxa attacks shes a monster swords are beastly and always are
as far as equipment goes, swords are okay. But equipment as a subtype in general is completely trash, so the ceiling is quite low on these cards.
@@benbarclay4239 hard disagree and swords are ridiculous generally and always provide more advantage than not
better yet... don't play atraxa... lol...
I keep meaning to build one with all the weird counters from alpha to tempest... jank like takklemaggot and lesser werewolf
I think this video is ok, however, I think it would be better to tell us what to replace each card with card for card because just saying to cut stuff isn't helpful if you don't give us something to put in their place.
I think the general assumption that most people have is that when making a commander deck you have a large list of cards you think would be good inclusions and you trim down until you select your deck.
The default assumed suggestion in these videos is to cut the cards they're suggesting and replace them with just about anything that almost made your list the first time through but barely didn't make the cut.
@@RedOphiuchus sure but I have some of these cards in my Atraxa deck already. So the video isn't that helpful. I imagine others are in the same boat. It's great they want to help but it feels weird to say cut a bunch of these but not say what to use as a replacement. Especially for newer players (like me) who barely know what cards exist.
@nickchaput219 to be fair, in the beginning of each section, they give general cards to replace anything that doesn't fit. Cheap instants and sorceries that proliferate, even if they don't do much else, as the general one. Cheap creatures that can give poison counters for poison strategies.
The only thing I don't think they didn't give too many suggestions for was the planeswalker strategy but they did list off at least a couple.
Most important card to cut from Atraxa is Atraxa. Please she's been dominating for like eight years. Build something else.
Well I started playing commander in 2023 and only built her deck in October/2023, so she is a fresh commander for me.
ok boomer
Wzrds plz nerf, atraxa too OP 🗿
doubling season is overated and you cant change my mind.
I feel like a lot of these opinions are completely ignoring what Atraxa does for the deck, especially for Ajani, Sleeper Agent. No, you don't need to play 15 creatures or Planeswalkers to kill the table with poison damage, because you're going to be proliferating to reach the end point, which is the entire point of the commander.