If you're starting from scratch, the digital stuff is not more expensive than a high-end analog setup. There surely is a use-case for both systems still, but analog is clearly inferior in many ways.
@@plasteredd Why does everyone keep talking about the latency still? I went from flying with fatsharks for almost 3 years, and now the DJI stuff for the past month - the only latency is the number you see in the goggles, there isn't any thats noticable, and based on RC Shims latest tests, the actual difference is about 5ms, when using top of the line fatshark hdo2's with rapidfire, and ratel camera. If your analog gear is inferior to that, the latency ends up being more than digital. People forget that analog has latency too, you just don't have the ability to see it in your goggles, so nobody mentions it. Anyone that says they can feel the difference is full of it, or is finding some reason that doesn't exist to hate it. I've been hating on the DJI stuff for over a year, but now that I fly it, I can't ever go back to analog. Don't try it unless you can afford it, thats my advice to everyone. Analog is just fine, and I suggest folks stick with it until the price goes down and DJI has some competition.
@@RADERFPV oh, i am just concerned about the price of dji. that is all. i admit. i am just trying to find reasons to hate it. you are a good person. i hope. plz kill me
God bless the EV800D! They got me into fpv last year, and they are here to stay for a long time, fuck the overpriced fatsharks and dji googles... Fucking rich boys... I wish I was one of you 😢😢😅
I could've got DJI and still can, BUT.. 1. 2x heavier unmodded. 2. No small drones with cheap batteries for playing for long periods with many batteries. 3. Very expensive drones you can't relax with properly. 4. They have higher latency. 5. Image cuts to black immediately making it more likely to lose or crash expensive drone. 6. Only 2 cameras actually look O.K. (i own 4k TV's) 7. Dji is and always has been just a flying camera company for photographers. 8. Stress, worry, devastation, ect. 9. I'm not stupid.
It's easy to expect everybody to have the best gear when you are sponsored and have companies throwing all the latest gear at you to be in your videos.
@@i_am_terom4810 Thanks for the information! Truth is I just orderd a used skyone goggles and an vtx up to 800mW. My comment was in the first place to make a statement.
@@jogilowe1090 same. I'm frome germany. (I mostly fly on 200mw though xD) idk why but my range is very bad, compared to all the yt stuff. Probably they just use way higher quality gear I can't afford :D :(
@@myryk if you use stock antennas on your googles, throw them in a garbage and buy some quality ones like foxxer lolipop for around 15$ for a set of two. What googles are you using?
Question how one would apply camera tilt, would it be gyroscope controlled?, or you land on the ground, tilt camera and fly again. I was thinking same thing but just cant imagine practical usage of or, or practical implementation
Yeah I just bought a analog set-up. Don't get me wrong DJI is awesome and all but I don't want any of that remote Id shit in my quad. And the GPS gio maps that only let you fly certain places
I think DJI will be their biggest competition. They'll release new models, and the price of the previous will go down. More people will go digital, but still chase that dragon of the newest digital option.
@@KristerBorge i think its funny when people comment on something they dont like. Why dont you go watch something else then? You are not important enough for people to give a fuk what you think
Stereoscopic 3d FPV is AWESOME!!! I put it on my diatone gtr90 two inch, switchable smart audio for each vtx (tbs nano) and every time i put my skyzones on after a longer period of 2d flying it's like "oh my god, I forgot how cool that 3d effect is", especially when you fly in the woods. Im going to build a 3 inch cinewhoop with that technique (full resolution) I wish this would exist digital 😍
Yup, Mr Steele is still using couch, mainly becouse he uses some piece of velcro to protect gopro from falling out and then his quad is lighter. Even for normal size gopros.
Just don't build a tricopter 😂. I've told that to at least a dozen people that asked. This was a fun video. 😁👍 3D is actually really cool for a very specific use case which is fun. 😏
Not everyone can afford to go digital, obviously... This hobby took me into many other different hobbies that are hard on the wallet... My first quad was one that I built myself and I still have it, then 3d printing got thrown into the mix, and I was already building my own computers so I have a pretty awesome PC for running drone simulations... Its fun but anyone that says its an easy hobby to get into is a liar, because you have to have knowledge of many different sub-hobbies it can be pretty frustrating. Money can be an issue under this load of hobbies too obviously... I would love to be able to meet the rotor riot team and fly with them... I live my life in constant pain but when I fly its the only time I feel nothing at all, but the exhilarating sensation of flight that I dreamed of when I was a young child and im also a recovering addict so I hope this is never taken away from me... Almost 2 years clean and my biggest fear is the FAA fucking with me... Flying is my Sanctuary!
I worked on F-14's in the Navy. The engines in that plane weren't soft mounted, but the IMU (Inertial Measuring Unit / gyro) was soft mounted...... that's definitely the way to go.
The thing is, soft-mounting needs some mass to be effective. Some things don't scale linearly, the mass goes down with size^3 so while it's fine to soft-mount the big & heavy IMU of a fighter jet but on a drone the flight controller might just not have enough mass on its own to be effectively soft-mounted. Not saying soft-mounted motors are the solution, but there is some justification to it.
ROFL. Thanks, this was soooo much fun! What an amazing walk down memory lane. And fyi, I'm in the middle of restoring an RCExplorer Tricopter v3. They're cool AF. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
One of my favorite platforms is my baby tricopter from Windestaal’s online store that unfortunately has since closed. I bought 4 spare tail assemblies before it closed in anticipation of future crash damage. It’s so swoopy to fly. It’s a very different experience. Love it! I see myself always having a tricopter in my lineup.
I don't know if it was just a thing in german fpv forums, but back in 2013 or 2014, some people were building camera mounts that could tilt up and down with a servo! They first tried using it as some sort of a built-in gimbal, but quickly found out that they then don't see how the quad is pitched. So they just changed it so that they can adjust it with the transmitter. So they could turn the camera up to go faster and then turn it downwards for an easy landing. That mini-trend died pretty quickly though, as it used a lot of space and weight on the quad and you couldn't just buy it, you had to build it all yourself.
Lmfao all that for “easy landing”🤡 People will never stop to amaze me. Spend 20h in a SIM just landing on 30” angle or whatever your is and get better at the actual flying rather than wasting the same amount of time to build a short cut and still be 💩 without an ability to even land. that is literally pathetic. What type of PILOT you are if you need a helping wheels🤡 These people need to get a grip and grow up.
@@Gryffyth_Aurum I am not upset or insecure, but I don’t like the crazy hair colors. It is no more than an opinion. I happen to be a fan of the pilot who wears eyeliner.
Imagine a stereoscopic FPV tiny whoop...! Exploring your house or other spaces like gently going through the branches of trees could be quite something.
I’m so glad you guys made this video. I haven’t been hardcore in the fpv drone scene for the past couple years. This was excellent! A trip down memory lane!
R00KIET “new”?? Better check both the release date and reviews, even better actually try that piece of trash. Also 5 likes and no dislikes on my comments yet fanboy.... get out ur feelings lmao
@@blkgostnone4092 how do u know u have no dislikes? Whats wrong with the controller its not hard to make a android controller so i cant imagine theres something wrong with it obviously its overpriced but who cares lol
I recently re-entered the hobby after a few years (had kids, didn't have time to tinker with FPV). I resurrected my old QAV250 and it literally had some of these trends! It has the slots on the top plate to angle a board camera (but I use a camera mount), it has a PDB board as a bottom plate (seems to be fairly durable though after many crashes) and I just removed the camera couch for my old Hero3 Black because that camera died and I bought a runcam 5 so I now have a new 3D printed mount for it. I also toned down the camera angle. Back in the day I remember super-high camera angles as being "the thing" but now it seems like around 20 degrees is more reasonable. I still have some of those glass fibre props so I'm going to use those up (probably in a flight or two) and then replace them with modern more durable props. I'd love to upgrade the VTX and goggles to digital but it's so expensive! My FatSharks do suck and my FPV camera is worse but they work. I'll replace them when they break.
Glass nylon props... remember when we used to take BAGS of props to the field? And you’d have like, nothing but “left” props? And it was like $3 for a pair of props (not 4, but 2). And you’d buy them in two different colors so you could tell left from right easily. And you’d go home because you RAN OUT of props... we’re so damned spoiled haha.
@Jacob Baron Agreed, analogue tech is hugely affordable, 'open source', and lightweight. There's no chance of 1S 60g AUW HD toothpick builds or 29g AUW HD tiny whoops happening any time soon.
@@licensetodrive9930 And goggles that practically take up their own backpack... The marketplace doesn't exist for Digital - it's DJI. Bytefrost isn't nearly competitive at this point. I would guess we're 2-5 years from a real open digital standard in FPV.
Here are a few more FPV trends that died (or are dying): - Mounting ESCs to arms (most racers are going 4-in-1) - Running 3S on 5" racing/freestyle (4S is also dying but still popular) - Linear VTx polarization - LED controller boards - Bullet connectors on motor wires
I could've got DJI and still can, BUT.. 1. 2x heavier unmodded. 2. No small drones with cheap batteries for playing for long periods with many batteries. 3. Very expensive drones you can't relax with properly. 4. They have higher latency. 5. Image cuts to black immediately making it more likely to lose or crash expensive drone. 6. Only 2 cameras actually look O.K. (i own 4k TV's) 7. Dji is and always has been just a flying camera company for photographers. 8. Stress, worry, devastation, ect. 9. I'm not stupid.
@@ThirstysURL I could do a counter list to alot of your negatives but I cant be bothered because you know its the future and I dont blame you for clinging on to the old tech but in a few years people will be saying " whats analog?"
Drift car videos are what got me into fpv 🤣 but honestly just about everything has been overdone done. It's hard find an fpv video that blows my mind like when I first discovered it
Best comment in here. It’s true. I can’t stand watching FPV related videos either. I fly for me and couldn’t give a shit what the latest hype is. Could never stand vlogs either. Came across as narcissistic. Only trolling the comments. I didn’t even watch the vid do to what I just mentioned.
After 2, each extra blade experiences diminishing returns, theyre spinning in the slipstream of eachother. The sweet spot is between 2 and 4 i think. (For quad size props, different craft that are larger or smaller have different sweet spots. 3d fpv needs the same camera width as your eyes to see proper depth of field. Its doable on larger quads but smaller ones its a nightmare to set up. You can do it with optics too, mirrors and a small tube to the ends of the front motor mounts, but its not really worth the complexity. One trend that needs to come back is collective pitch quads. They have so much potential and they haven't been done much at ALL.
I think 3D FPV could still be awesome with DJI HD resolutions. Although depth still won't be very pronounced due to the extremely wide lenses needed for FPV piloting.
3D will inevitably be superior to monoscopy FPV systems. You just have to get three types of engineers with uncommon skill sets: IC Design, Communications, and Optics. They tend to be in high demand/ hard to find.
There are ways of doing 3D on a single camera and radio, but you need special split optics like a pair of periscopes that feed into the camera, then on your goggles you need to split the video output signal to your displays. This would be the cheapest way and lowest mass and power compared to having two full sets of everything.
Used to be a day you flew by holding onto a kite handle with two lines running out to your model...and it had no throttle, no yaw, no roll control, just pitch.
They’re a bunch of trendoids. They get free shit to use daily for pimping the products on they’re channels. You won’t see any Bardwells of FPV or RR guys using gear more than 3 months old.
Yea I still rock my aomway v1s and in my opinion, because it has a osd, its STILL the best analog fpv google available, even though its technology from 2015
@@letsgofast1187 Indeed. I have V1S comnmanders too. Even wanted to sell them after last FPV google upgrade. However V1S appeared rock solid so I still use them quite often together with new googles.
"Analog needs to die" @LeDrib @RotorRiot, maybe when digital has an option as cheap as a good set of box goggles ($80 - $100). Things are getting cheaper, so maybe sometime in the next year.
So u want digital in a box with a terrible screen and trash receiver? As long as high end analog is more expensive then digital i see no point in cutting the price even more
@@r00kiet80 The receiver wont be bad because it will be a digital receiver. The screen wont be bad because it's a big HD screen (analog example is the FatShark Scouts and Recons, they are pretty nice to look at). What will make it cheaper is not needing expensive focals/optics and all the stuff that's needed for them. You can also take out all HDMI in/out electronics. You can probably shave off $100 by having a Box HD solution.
Dude, he just evolved. TH-cam isn't exactly a great source of income. He's making 6 figures shooting commercial gigs for high dollar productions. Still flying an open prop 5" freestyle rig. 2019 going into 2020, up until now he's gotten progressively more busy and demand for him is through the roof.
It has more delay by like 10-15ms but thats not the problem biggest problem is that its variable delay so it changes delay if u have a worse signal its only by like 5-10ms but racers notice it so ita bad for racers now racers are 1% of the community so everyone is better off with digital tbh unless ur on a budget high end analog is litteral waste of money UNLESS ur a top100 pro pilot
Hmmm... It's 2024 and analog still is a thing. Just can't beat the analog vs digital latency. It's mostly a FPV racer thing today though where every ms counts I guess.
Had to comment on this. I do not know if it became a trend, but servo-tilt fpv cameraes on drones (I have the Align MR25 which has a fpv-camera connected to a servo, that can tilt up and down automatically to compensate for the angle of the quad) was a thing. Also, a thing that must die, is having to use a computer to set up the quad rates, e.t.c. Love my ImmersionRC Vortex quads that allow me to do this through an OSD menu. Quad setup and tuning through the OSD needs to be standard on all quads. And it needs to be through the OSD, not through an app on the phone, conneted by bluetooth, or on a pc. Also, foldable quad arms were a thing. Well known on tri-copters (which had them of course), but my ImmersionRC Vortex 285 (I think, or was it 275) had foldable arms on the front and back. That is a thing of the past on racing quads.
@@noisy_boi_fpv_3920 Perhaps. Have not testet newer setups. But is that set up as standard, so you can purchase a quad, bind it to a radio, set it up and tune it through the OSD, all without using a computer.
we laugh at the stone age camera wedge but we're still flying around with the battery strapped to the roof rack or underneath like some kind of bloody afterthought.
The ZMR250 and QAV250 had dedicated battery sleeves and all it wound up doing was limiting the size and shape of the battery you could have on board. I think the straps we have now give us the most versatility.
In a decade when we have batteries with much higher energy density the batteries will be so light and thin, possible you could probably throw one into your stack!
This was genuinely interesting and fun to watch. Good job guys! It's cool to see how these things came and went, I still have a sheet of unused motor soft mounts somewhere...
@@chrisconner8629 I agree. I hate DJI only because they seem to have a monopoly on the hobby. What DJI says and does is the rule of the game. We need more competition and affordable digital stuff.
Sorry guys, i love tricopters (with KK2 FC). "Simplecopters" are awesome. Wood and 3d printed parts are always available and cheap. No computer/smartphone needed to tune your copter.👍
Things that died: KK flightcontrollers, the dji450 style frames, the oldschool sony 600tvl cam, first versions of multiwii and needing to compile your FC software for every little change, low yaw rates, autotune, separate OSDs because they werent integrated on flightcontrollers yet, Naza on 5"quads, 1.2Ghz fpv(and a lot of huge 1.2 cloverleaf antennas) and i probably think of a few more.
"Analog FPV needs to die." Come on Drib, what am I, made of money?
Lol, ikr. All I was thinking of was paying for my whole setup again😂
I think Drib should replace all our analog gear! ;)
@@nightwingfpv and my hdo's too
If you're starting from scratch, the digital stuff is not more expensive than a high-end analog setup.
There surely is a use-case for both systems still, but analog is clearly inferior in many ways.
@@RufftaMan agreed
Analog will die when there're 299$ digital goggles, 30$ air unit and open source digital signal. Otherwise no.
or low latency
@@plasteredd Why does everyone keep talking about the latency still? I went from flying with fatsharks for almost 3 years, and now the DJI stuff for the past month - the only latency is the number you see in the goggles, there isn't any thats noticable, and based on RC Shims latest tests, the actual difference is about 5ms, when using top of the line fatshark hdo2's with rapidfire, and ratel camera. If your analog gear is inferior to that, the latency ends up being more than digital. People forget that analog has latency too, you just don't have the ability to see it in your goggles, so nobody mentions it. Anyone that says they can feel the difference is full of it, or is finding some reason that doesn't exist to hate it. I've been hating on the DJI stuff for over a year, but now that I fly it, I can't ever go back to analog. Don't try it unless you can afford it, thats my advice to everyone. Analog is just fine, and I suggest folks stick with it until the price goes down and DJI has some competition.
@@RADERFPV oh, i am just concerned about the price of dji. that is all. i admit. i am just trying to find reasons to hate it. you are a good person. i hope. plz kill me
@@plasteredd LMAO :) I feel ya, it is way too much money, especially in today's climate.
That is right. Until then if analog is still around i will keep to the cheaper side of things!
Lol thanks for the laughs!
soooo was it a all a joke then?
@@gautamkrishna7421 Always has been
@@v1zhual 😱😱😱😱
I only fly Johnny FPV soft mount tape
I still use tape under
Bardwell: Are you done?
LOL priceless :]
I think this kind of content is great too, keep it coming.
“The only other option was having a literal box on your head”. My EV800: Am I a joke to you?
God bless the EV800D! They got me into fpv last year, and they are here to stay for a long time, fuck the overpriced fatsharks and dji googles... Fucking rich boys... I wish I was one of you 😢😢😅
@@joaodncartaxo same but i somehow got my parents to get hdo used of course
Best one
@@brokenpropfpv8917 lucky you that have sponsors! I have to sort out pennies from the couch because the rest of the money goes to sponsor my own kid 😅
@@joaodncartaxo can't you like take some of your money and each month take like 50$ or less and put it in like piggy bank?
26:14: “No one uses camera couches anymore”
Mr. Steele: 😬
Who? 🤣
@@vampcaff are you serious?
Big Ethix Cam Strap. Couch with Ummagrip holds on tight.
VampCaff some dude with a mustache
Also fixed on analog and does drift videos.
Analog will die when DJI goggle owners stop making videos about how to attach analog receivers to them.
I could've got DJI and still can, BUT..
1. 2x heavier unmodded.
2. No small drones with cheap batteries for playing for long periods with many batteries.
3. Very expensive drones you can't relax with properly.
4. They have higher latency.
5. Image cuts to black immediately making it more likely to lose or crash expensive drone.
6. Only 2 cameras actually look O.K. (i own 4k TV's)
7. Dji is and always has been just a flying camera company for photographers.
8. Stress, worry, devastation, ect.
9. I'm not stupid.
@@ThirstysURL just an absolute masterclass in stroking your own ego, incredible work.
@@ThirstysURL DJI is for photography, not for racing, if you want a racing/fpv drone, you're in the wrong department cheif.
@@FastGamingSeries Not currently but give it a year and I swear every racer will be on digital.
@@ktmbikes9227 this comment aged poorly 😅 a few on HDZ but analog still lives on strong
Drew's total disconnect from the community on Analog vs Digital is a good example of why Rotor Riot is dead.
It's easy to expect everybody to have the best gear when you are sponsored and have companies throwing all the latest gear at you to be in your videos.
Haha! Kinda true on the disconnect from community. I don’t know one person I fly with that has used the dji stuff
"Everyone needs digital fpv".
Me with a 100mW vtx and cheap box goggles: 😨
Try the vtx03s, it's like 12€ and it's 200mw, and smartaudio ( and it's a small transmiter
@@i_am_terom4810 Thanks for the information!
Truth is I just orderd a used skyone goggles and an vtx up to 800mW.
My comment was in the first place to make a statement.
Are these high mW legal in your country? In my country we are only allowed to use 25mW
@@jogilowe1090 same. I'm frome germany. (I mostly fly on 200mw though xD) idk why but my range is very bad, compared to all the yt stuff. Probably they just use way higher quality gear I can't afford :D :(
@@myryk if you use stock antennas on your googles, throw them in a garbage and buy some quality ones like foxxer lolipop for around 15$ for a set of two. What googles are you using?
" _If you want a good flying quad - don't build a tricopter_ "
-Joshua Bardwell
If you want a swoushiness yaw build a Tricopter
@John Grzeskowiak why now?
Still planning on doing it lmao
I mean if you want a quad you _literally_ need four
A trend that I'd like to see coming is servo controlled camera mounts so you can look up and down.
That would actually be sick, great idea!
medlin drone does this
Dji already does that
Question how one would apply camera tilt, would it be gyroscope controlled?, or you land on the ground, tilt camera and fly again. I was thinking same thing but just cant imagine practical usage of or, or practical implementation
Cough Avata 2
Analog won't die until there is a viable competitor to DJI.
Great episode dudes!
Yeah I just bought a analog set-up. Don't get me wrong DJI is awesome and all but I don't want any of that remote Id shit in my quad. And the GPS gio maps that only let you fly certain places
I think DJI will be their biggest competition.
They'll release new models, and the price of the previous will go down. More people will go digital, but still chase that dragon of the newest digital option.
I carry 3 extra sets of $40 FPV goggles to give to people that pass by and ask questions.
You're up DJI.
I'd go one step farther and say analog won't die until there's an open standard for HD that companies can iterate on and improve
Another thing that needs to die.. PID tuning! Just create something that tunes itself, and leave only the rate tuning to personalize our quads!
So true, i cant wait for auto pid tuning. Its the one part of the hobby i just dont care to mess with.
Have a look at this if you want auto PID tuning: th-cam.com/video/J_VRE0-kK4A/w-d-xo.html
@@timhowitz9405 i just finished watching and im very intregued, thanks for the recommendation!
in Ardupilot there is a autotune fiture i dont now why bettaflight doesnt do the same
I like pid tuning, its like a puzzle
you forgot Rotor Riot, you remember that one? It died a couple of years ago :(
Yet here you are....
Brutal. 😂
Rotor Riot WAS cool, this is just lame. Thank , YT-algorithm.
High rates rant?
@@KristerBorge i think its funny when people comment on something they dont like. Why dont you go watch something else then? You are not important enough for people to give a fuk what you think
@@Hughjanus720 yup, funny that someone takes offence for others negative comments too.
I love how i watch this video 3 years late and analog is still here. Idk if it's just much cheaper than it was, but still.
Bardwell "I'm Tired of it" lol no more drift videos. That made me laugh thank you.
Stereoscopic 3d FPV is AWESOME!!!
I put it on my diatone gtr90 two inch, switchable smart audio for each vtx (tbs nano) and every time i put my skyzones on after a longer period of 2d flying it's like "oh my god, I forgot how cool that 3d effect is", especially when you fly in the woods.
Im going to build a 3 inch cinewhoop with that technique (full resolution)
I wish this would exist digital 😍
Can you post a build guide please
I think having 3D would give me the balls to fly in the woods
Doesn’t that overpriced Steele quad come with a camera couch?🤣🤣🤣
Yup, Mr Steele is still using couch, mainly becouse he uses some piece of velcro to protect gopro from falling out and then his quad is lighter. Even for normal size gopros.
Yep best quad I’ve ever flown. Hands down. Overpriced is subjective. Top notch components come at a price with everything in life.
Yes it does, I don't think crashing is really something Mr Steele thinks about in his designs.
@@bengmo64 exactly that quad is like buying a road bike.
@@apsfpv2217 Building my third one- best quad ever and completely KISSed and Cross-fired! Analog wont die until digital can beat that latency.
Just don't build a tricopter 😂. I've told that to at least a dozen people that asked. This was a fun video. 😁👍
3D is actually really cool for a very specific use case which is fun. 😏
Vlogs that take forever to get to the actual content. Yeah those suck.
@@mistercohaagen Oh...my...God... That's the best thing I've ever read on the interwebs
Not everyone can afford to go digital, obviously... This hobby took me into many other different hobbies that are hard on the wallet... My first quad was one that I built myself and I still have it, then 3d printing got thrown into the mix, and I was already building my own computers so I have a pretty awesome PC for running drone simulations... Its fun but anyone that says its an easy hobby to get into is a liar, because you have to have knowledge of many different sub-hobbies it can be pretty frustrating. Money can be an issue under this load of hobbies too obviously... I would love to be able to meet the rotor riot team and fly with them... I live my life in constant pain but when I fly its the only time I feel nothing at all, but the exhilarating sensation of flight that I dreamed of when I was a young child and im also a recovering addict so I hope this is never taken away from me... Almost 2 years clean and my biggest fear is the FAA fucking with me... Flying is my Sanctuary!
Congrats on your sobriety, keep it up. Glad this great hobby is helping you👍👊
Keep up the great work man! FPV has helped me also!
Why do you live ur life in constant pain?
I just love you guys. Hearing veterans of anything swapping stories of how it used to be is super entertaining.
I worked on F-14's in the Navy. The engines in that plane weren't soft mounted, but the IMU (Inertial Measuring Unit / gyro) was soft mounted...... that's definitely the way to go.
The thing is, soft-mounting needs some mass to be effective. Some things don't scale linearly, the mass goes down with size^3 so while it's fine to soft-mount the big & heavy IMU of a fighter jet but on a drone the flight controller might just not have enough mass on its own to be effectively soft-mounted.
Not saying soft-mounted motors are the solution, but there is some justification to it.
@@РоманПлетнев-г3э soft mounts above and below the arm with locktite to keep the screws in so you don't have to tighten the screws excessively.
ROFL. Thanks, this was soooo much fun! What an amazing walk down memory lane. And fyi, I'm in the middle of restoring an RCExplorer Tricopter v3. They're cool AF. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
One of my favorite platforms is my baby tricopter from Windestaal’s online store that unfortunately has since closed. I bought 4 spare tail assemblies before it closed in anticipation of future crash damage. It’s so swoopy to fly. It’s a very different experience. Love it! I see myself always having a tricopter in my lineup.
Camera couch will never die!!
I don't know if it was just a thing in german fpv forums, but back in 2013 or 2014, some people were building camera mounts that could tilt up and down with a servo! They first tried using it as some sort of a built-in gimbal, but quickly found out that they then don't see how the quad is pitched. So they just changed it so that they can adjust it with the transmitter. So they could turn the camera up to go faster and then turn it downwards for an easy landing. That mini-trend died pretty quickly though, as it used a lot of space and weight on the quad and you couldn't just buy it, you had to build it all yourself.
Now using same servos just for head tracking
Lmfao all that for “easy landing”🤡 People will never stop to amaze me. Spend 20h in a SIM just landing on 30” angle or whatever your is and get better at the actual flying rather than wasting the same amount of time to build a short cut and still be 💩 without an ability to even land. that is literally pathetic. What type of PILOT you are if you need a helping wheels🤡 These people need to get a grip and grow up.
I think dyeing the pilots hair unnatural colors is a trend that hopefully is gone.
And guys wearing eye liner rite along with stupid hair colors
Are you really so insecure that you get upset about what someone else does to their hair and eye lashes?
@@Gryffyth_Aurum not insecure, just think it's ridiculous...nd that's just my opinion ya know
@@Gryffyth_Aurum I am not upset or insecure, but I don’t like the crazy hair colors. It is no more than an opinion. I happen to be a fan of the pilot who wears eyeliner.
@@erik120719 not insecure, just judgemental
I wish stereoscopic fpv wouldve taken off more. I feel the benefit is overlooked because indoor proximity especially would benefit immensely.
Imagine a stereoscopic FPV tiny whoop...!
Exploring your house or other spaces like gently going through the branches of trees could be quite something.
I like the idea on a whoop. You'd either have added weight or half the resolution. Both would suck.
Too bad because it is specifically worse on tiny whoops
I’m so glad you guys made this video. I haven’t been hardcore in the fpv drone scene for the past couple years. This was excellent! A trip down memory lane!
Wait the horrible Rotor Riot Controller didn’t make the list......what a surprise 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Its new and its just a chinese controller with a rotor riot logo on it theres nothing bad with it it does what it should whats ur point?
R00KIET “new”?? Better check both the release date and reviews, even better actually try that piece of trash. Also 5 likes and no dislikes on my comments yet fanboy.... get out ur feelings lmao
@@blkgostnone4092 how do u know u have no dislikes? Whats wrong with the controller its not hard to make a android controller so i cant imagine theres something wrong with it obviously its overpriced but who cares lol
Congratulations 200.000
Are we avoiding the obvious? The number one fpv trend that died was.. Rotor Riot
was looking for the comment
Not yet , rotor riot is doing pretty well these days. Looks that way !
They're doing fine 2 years later
I recently re-entered the hobby after a few years (had kids, didn't have time to tinker with FPV). I resurrected my old QAV250 and it literally had some of these trends! It has the slots on the top plate to angle a board camera (but I use a camera mount), it has a PDB board as a bottom plate (seems to be fairly durable though after many crashes) and I just removed the camera couch for my old Hero3 Black because that camera died and I bought a runcam 5 so I now have a new 3D printed mount for it. I also toned down the camera angle. Back in the day I remember super-high camera angles as being "the thing" but now it seems like around 20 degrees is more reasonable. I still have some of those glass fibre props so I'm going to use those up (probably in a flight or two) and then replace them with modern more durable props. I'd love to upgrade the VTX and goggles to digital but it's so expensive! My FatSharks do suck and my FPV camera is worse but they work. I'll replace them when they break.
I've seen just about every one of these trends. 😄 I love watching this hobby evolve, and I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings!
3 years later i still fly a zmr with pdb. Ive upgraded my ski goggles and control box w/external mounted RX to dominators
But i love my zmr with cc3d
Some good stuff on this list
Glass nylon props... remember when we used to take BAGS of props to the field? And you’d have like, nothing but “left” props? And it was like $3 for a pair of props (not 4, but 2). And you’d buy them in two different colors so you could tell left from right easily. And you’d go home because you RAN OUT of props... we’re so damned spoiled haha.
Even now bent props are a pain in ass. But no way to get over that without practice. And practice come with flying.
Stop trying to kill Analog Drib. It's not dead for a long time.
They have to push their sponsor :)
Yeah. Tbh I like but I can feel the latency
@Jacob Baron Agreed, analogue tech is hugely affordable, 'open source', and lightweight. There's no chance of 1S 60g AUW HD toothpick builds or 29g AUW HD tiny whoops happening any time soon.
@@licensetodrive9930 And goggles that practically take up their own backpack...
The marketplace doesn't exist for Digital - it's DJI. Bytefrost isn't nearly competitive at this point. I would guess we're 2-5 years from a real open digital standard in FPV.
For the amount of time i'm flying, i ain't gonna get HD very soon
Definitely the most informative video about FPV Drones I've ever watched.
I actually read that as 10 fpv friends that died and was confused why jb was smiling 😅
I gotta be honest. I read the title of your video as "10 FPV friends died" and your thumbnail was you with a huge smile 🤣🤣
Here are a few more FPV trends that died (or are dying):
- Mounting ESCs to arms (most racers are going 4-in-1)
- Running 3S on 5" racing/freestyle (4S is also dying but still popular)
- Linear VTx polarization
- LED controller boards
- Bullet connectors on motor wires
Bullet connectors died in 2015
Velcro on lipos 😄
@@TerminatorDuoeasy
I hold my 4s lipos to my zmr 250 with velcro still!!!
fpv pilot: Quad starts rolling 3000° per second
Andrew: What is he doing???
Joshua: He's starting to belive.
Make digital as cheap and accessible as analogue and we might gonna get to the switch^^
This is the kind of content I love!!! Keep it guys!!
32:18
"Rotor-Riot died"
I didn't say it
26:12 I use 3D printed camera couch 🤣
Until digital becomes truly open sourced, analog will live on.
Watching you two is just too entertaining, keep it up!
Oh and I 2nd that digital FPV... once I experienced it, I couldn't go back to analog!
I could've got DJI and still can, BUT..
1. 2x heavier unmodded.
2. No small drones with cheap batteries for playing for long periods with many batteries.
3. Very expensive drones you can't relax with properly.
4. They have higher latency.
5. Image cuts to black immediately making it more likely to lose or crash expensive drone.
6. Only 2 cameras actually look O.K. (i own 4k TV's)
7. Dji is and always has been just a flying camera company for photographers.
8. Stress, worry, devastation, ect.
9. I'm not stupid.
@@ThirstysURL I could do a counter list to alot of your negatives but I cant be bothered because you know its the future and I dont blame you for clinging on to the old tech but in a few years people will be saying " whats analog?"
I agree 100%. Analog is horrible😂
yall should build a drone that uses every single one of these
Drift car videos are what got me into fpv 🤣 but honestly just about everything has been overdone done. It's hard find an fpv video that blows my mind like when I first discovered it
Best comment in here. It’s true. I can’t stand watching FPV related videos either. I fly for me and couldn’t give a shit what the latest hype is. Could never stand vlogs either. Came across as narcissistic. Only trolling the comments. I didn’t even watch the vid do to what I just mentioned.
@@apsfpv2217 🤣👌
I'd just like to say that I really enjoy this super chill format! Thanks guys!
After 2, each extra blade experiences diminishing returns, theyre spinning in the slipstream of eachother. The sweet spot is between 2 and 4 i think. (For quad size props, different craft that are larger or smaller have different sweet spots.
3d fpv needs the same camera width as your eyes to see proper depth of field. Its doable on larger quads but smaller ones its a nightmare to set up. You can do it with optics too, mirrors and a small tube to the ends of the front motor mounts, but its not really worth the complexity.
One trend that needs to come back is collective pitch quads. They have so much potential and they haven't been done much at ALL.
these guys live under a rock. Gemfan still makes 5 bladed props in fact they are new. they are smooth AF
What's funny is the retrofitting of things like the cinemizer was exactly how consumer VR started
Yes there was a time before Oculus Rift - it was DIY....
Thumbs up for the David Windestal mention and for the Mobius.
YES!! Please, no more drift car chasing! Couldn't agree more. It's a yawn.
Its 2024, and gopro mounts provided with frames is standard now. I still don't know why it was ever a bad thing
I think 3D FPV could still be awesome with DJI HD resolutions. Although depth still won't be very pronounced due to the extremely wide lenses needed for FPV piloting.
3D will inevitably be superior to monoscopy FPV systems. You just have to get three types of engineers with uncommon skill sets: IC Design, Communications, and Optics. They tend to be in high demand/ hard to find.
There are ways of doing 3D on a single camera and radio, but you need special split optics like a pair of periscopes that feed into the camera, then on your goggles you need to split the video output signal to your displays. This would be the cheapest way and lowest mass and power compared to having two full sets of everything.
A lot of these trends are silly in retrospect, but fun inventive moments in the development of this hobby
Used to be a day you flew by holding onto a kite handle with two lines running out to your model...and it had no throttle, no yaw, no roll control, just pitch.
I began FPV in 2014 and stopped in 2016-2017... so this videos ....is just my world ! :D
Rotor Riot died when they stop carrying the low cost FPV gear.
Joshua does lots of reviews dji is just superior in every way so i see no point in covering all the trash
People need entry level stuff, though
Rotor riot died when Charpu left
@@dafoexemax capitalized on that so hard
Finally i high quality rr video again! Keep it going🦄
I still want to do 3D FPV. Though I will make sure the cameras are as far apart from each other as my eyes.
I wonder if it would work better if they were even further apart than your eyes
Hahaha cool!!! About the angled motors, 2 words: DJI FPV 🤣 I remembered it instantly as soon as you said it 😂😂
the good rotor riot died and now its just for money not fun
Careful, they already ban 1 person for saying rotor riot.... censorship at its finest.
They forgot trend 11 🤣
Just for money, sponsorship plugging, and hype.
Unsubbed hearing drib saying analog needs to die. On man you have been one of the reason i loved fpv. You just killed it man.
What's wrong with Skyzones? I think they're fine. The 02c's are what I use and no issues.
They’re a bunch of trendoids. They get free shit to use daily for pimping the products on they’re channels. You won’t see any Bardwells of FPV or RR guys using gear more than 3 months old.
Yea I still rock my aomway v1s and in my opinion, because it has a osd, its STILL the best analog fpv google available, even though its technology from 2015
@@letsgofast1187 yeah man I love my V1S
Skyzone is best for a budget but dji is just superior in any way for 99% of consumers
@@letsgofast1187 Indeed. I have V1S comnmanders too. Even wanted to sell them after last FPV google upgrade. However V1S appeared rock solid so I still use them quite often together with new googles.
Love you guys! Such a fan. I absolutely love the vlogging parts of drew videos! I wish I had some friends like you. Thanks for the awesome content
Wooden frames, 6 inch quads, 3S batteries, and ground stations
I liked #9 - "We'll angle everything BUT the camera..." (Motors, board, ???)
Joshua's wood couch - wood is the original carbon fiber.
Loved the video!
"Analog needs to die" @LeDrib @RotorRiot, maybe when digital has an option as cheap as a good set of box goggles ($80 - $100). Things are getting cheaper, so maybe sometime in the next year.
So u want digital in a box with a terrible screen and trash receiver? As long as high end analog is more expensive then digital i see no point in cutting the price even more
@@r00kiet80 The receiver wont be bad because it will be a digital receiver. The screen wont be bad because it's a big HD screen (analog example is the FatShark Scouts and Recons, they are pretty nice to look at). What will make it cheaper is not needing expensive focals/optics and all the stuff that's needed for them. You can also take out all HDMI in/out electronics. You can probably shave off $100 by having a Box HD solution.
@@r00kiet80 just one word ' privileged '
Really good format! Good video idea. Keep it up at this level
what about watching MrSteele... Pretty much dead. Took RotorRiot with him! (unless you want to watch his drift videos)
Dude, he just evolved. TH-cam isn't exactly a great source of income. He's making 6 figures shooting commercial gigs for high dollar productions. Still flying an open prop 5" freestyle rig. 2019 going into 2020, up until now he's gotten progressively more busy and demand for him is through the roof.
Very nice video - one of the rare ones I realy enjoyed. A lot of fun and many information
Doesn't Digital FPV have more delay than lower res Analog FPV?
I fly fatsharks and DJI, and there's no difference, at least not any thats actually noticeable.
@@RADERFPV you'll need to fly harder and on the edge then... ;)
it is noticeable when coming from analogue to digital.
@@DutchCommando You could be right, I have been taking it pretty easy.
It has more delay by like 10-15ms but thats not the problem biggest problem is that its variable delay so it changes delay if u have a worse signal its only by like 5-10ms but racers notice it so ita bad for racers now racers are 1% of the community so everyone is better off with digital tbh unless ur on a budget high end analog is litteral waste of money UNLESS ur a top100 pro pilot
Hmmm... It's 2024 and analog still is a thing. Just can't beat the analog vs digital latency. It's mostly a FPV racer thing today though where every ms counts I guess.
Re #6 It would be interesting to see a Y6 performance on modern esc. a 5" Y6 could actually have interesting flight potential.
Had to comment on this. I do not know if it became a trend, but servo-tilt fpv cameraes on drones (I have the Align MR25 which has a fpv-camera connected to a servo, that can tilt up and down automatically to compensate for the angle of the quad) was a thing. Also, a thing that must die, is having to use a computer to set up the quad rates, e.t.c. Love my ImmersionRC Vortex quads that allow me to do this through an OSD menu. Quad setup and tuning through the OSD needs to be standard on all quads. And it needs to be through the OSD, not through an app on the phone, conneted by bluetooth, or on a pc.
Also, foldable quad arms were a thing. Well known on tri-copters (which had them of course), but my ImmersionRC Vortex 285 (I think, or was it 275) had foldable arms on the front and back. That is a thing of the past on racing quads.
You can change rates/pids in betaflignt osd 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@noisy_boi_fpv_3920 Perhaps. Have not testet newer setups. But is that set up as standard, so you can purchase a quad, bind it to a radio, set it up and tune it through the OSD, all without using a computer.
drew we need analog for people who cant drop $1000 on a system when you don't even know if you like fpv
That really was a trip down memory lane!! I feel fpv old.. lmao
we laugh at the stone age camera wedge but we're still flying around with the battery strapped to the roof rack or underneath like some kind of bloody afterthought.
The ZMR250 and QAV250 had dedicated battery sleeves and all it wound up doing was limiting the size and shape of the battery you could have on board. I think the straps we have now give us the most versatility.
In a decade when we have batteries with much higher energy density the batteries will be so light and thin, possible you could probably throw one into your stack!
This was AWESOME! I laughed the whole time. Great video guys!
This was genuinely interesting and fun to watch. Good job guys! It's cool to see how these things came and went, I still have a sheet of unused motor soft mounts somewhere...
Forced digital will hurt the growth nearly as much as the Chinese tarrif and bans will.
Analog works for beginners and poor people like me That really love this 🐬 hobby like me 🙄
What about the drone made from a taxidermies cat?😂😂
Drib: analog needs to die.
Me: I can't even buy cheap box goggles🤯💣💥
Screw dji. Maybe if it wasnt only dji in the game people would give it a try bit those huge bug looking goggles kills it for me tbh
IKR, not everyone's a sponsored rockstar of a pilot.
@@chrisconner8629 I agree. I hate DJI only because they seem to have a monopoly on the hobby. What DJI says and does is the rule of the game. We need more competition and affordable digital stuff.
MOAR LONG EPISODES ...like this please
Sorry guys, i love tricopters (with KK2 FC). "Simplecopters" are awesome. Wood and 3d printed parts are always available and cheap. No computer/smartphone needed to tune your copter.👍
My favorite was the Simple Copter Vtail until I build a mini of the Simple Copter Vtail on a 3D printer. A blast to fly.
Lmao! 14:50 made me laugh...I immediately thumbed up at that point. Great content guys, keep up the good work.
I still use a Mobius, just roughin' it out here.
Things that died: KK flightcontrollers, the dji450 style frames, the oldschool sony 600tvl cam, first versions of multiwii and needing to compile your FC software for every little change, low yaw rates, autotune, separate OSDs because they werent integrated on flightcontrollers yet, Naza on 5"quads, 1.2Ghz fpv(and a lot of huge 1.2 cloverleaf antennas) and i probably think of a few more.
I mean if you need more people for rotor riot I'd be down ngl
Haha sure thing!
I'm still im
Everytime Drew throws that analog needs to die, joshua wants to leave him alone 🤣🔥
I hope Drib didn't lose his ear bud.
Drift videos need to go the way of the dinosaurs.