I think a semi fair way to handle skills Is to randomize a skill point budget in each of the 5 sections. That way there's still randomness involved but you get to pick the skills
@@SteelPoint. at 39:46 Kknowley suggests making changes to the skills if you want to try this yourself. Because, you know, we’re not all content creators who are doing it for April fool’s
I guess this shows, above all else, that Payday 2 is a hard and mechanically complex game, and the mutators are even tougher. It also shows that your build GREATLY contributes to your success.
There's playing a trick on yourself and then there's making us watch you slam headfirst into a concrete wall for 40 minutes straight. ...10/10 content.
This is pretty close to total painday. Painday at its peak would be doing Iron Shadow. All potentially stealthable and stealth-only heists ICTV + 75 Detection
See, *this* is the kind of challenge that makes me glad you’ve got lifelines. It also sounds like it’d be incredibly fun…and incredibly challenging. Bonus points if you forbid yourself from using the Yakuza speed boost…though really, it might not be doable without it.
At 16:04 you could've dominated the guard instead of killing him which wouldn't activate the Hydra mutator which would've prevented the heist from going loud.
I'm pretty sure there's a time window to dominate a guard in stealth but it's only like 2 secs, so by the time he got to him the window was long from over.
Would love to see a sequel video to this. Its satisfying seeing a speedrunner cope against randomized odds and in case of Payday impact of the randomization is uniquely huge
It's actually pretty nice to see a stealth heist going loud is no problem. Now it's one or the other, because of the build. Would be something nice for Payday 3 to stealth the heist and when things go loud that you can still finish it with a loud build.
wait.. i have 2 kknowley videos open at the same time, the complete story of payday 2 (nearly done) and now this game... its a weird but great world we live in
@@agentthorny guy makes group, group gets bigger, supernatural shenanigans, guy gets infected by supernatural pmc company, guys group does ritual to make guy president, and supernatural pmc dies out
No, you didn't overestimate the power of rogue, shields are just pure bullshit and i'm pretty sure they can bypass rogue's effects, because they hit way too much than they're supposed to
Id love to see how far you could take a crime spree with this randomization. Early on it’d be fun and easy, but I can imagine how it could become bad quick. Obviously only build, load out, perk deck and the heist could be randomized (rolling a number between 1 and 3 for the heist offers.).
I got an idea for a challenge: Payday 2 campaign as a Bulldozer. This would mean using only muscle perk deck, and only the weapons that a bulldozer can use, as well as ICTV as soon as possible. It may seem easy, but stealth levels will be a pain. Access to the renfield means shotgun launching, though... Also, do you think Payday 3 will be on ps4? I think so.
IIRC, someone from OVK did mention that, with the switch to Unreal Engine, console ports will be much easier and doable than with Diesel. And since there are games still releasing on PS4 currently, if it shows in 5, it should show on 4 as well.
Here's an idea for another challenge: You can only use weapons with finite ammo, as in ones that can only be replenished by ammo bag. This includes throwables, you have to use ones that can't be recovered. Melee should be a last resort or to maintain stealth when absolutely necessary, the build cannot be focused on it.
13:48 I am pretty sure its because of the drill. Whenever i go down while fixing the drill i just know, no AI will even try to revive me. Must be an issue with the waypoints or something.
I don't think I've ever actually had the AI come get me on Hox Breakout day 1, unless they were already on top of me. Not really sure why it happens but it gets annoying.
reasons the civ wasnt detected on black cat: detection is only in the head, meaning if an ai cannot see anothers head then well absolutely nothing there lifes fine and dandy the receptionists head had clipped thru the desk luckily and the guards dont have esp wall hacks so there was no body to be detected XD
Im really sick and tired right now so i decided to watch this, got to the satanic ritual part, laughed like a maniac, scaring my own sleep deprived ass
Ah randomisers. What a love hate relationship you can have with them. The random skill point allocation reminded me of a comment I made a while back on one of your previous challenge videos, perhaps if you’d like to explore the idea of somewhat random point allocation for a future challenge. My idea is this: You can use any weapons you like, but your point allocation will be restricted. You'd still be able to use the amount of skill points available to you at any specific level, but that amount is divided randomly into 5 numbers every 5 levels ups. the 5 numbers is how many points you can allocate to a certain tree. Eg: you have 40 skill points available, randomly divided into 13, 7, 8 ,6 and 6. until you rank up to the next level divisible by 5 (Lvl 30, 35 etc) this is your point allocation for your 5 skill trees. This could force certain strategies while also limiting crutch gameplay styles. The difficulty level may have to be adjusted, or having the availability of full perk decks, but this could be an interesting way to make builds for varying heists.
Would highly reccomend the better bots mod and tone down the damage they deal if you ever play with them again. Also don't know if this is a mod thing or not, but pressing f / shouting at the ai while you are down will have them run over to revive you immediately
The reason the sausage that you got at 28:50 didn’t get sound was kiss detection in the head, so they couldn’t see the head of the character model of the civilian
17:11 Woooow, you have waaay higher FPS than me, yet noone even tries to shoot you. Meanwhile when I play host heists with my friends and play in 15-20 fps somehow every unit becomes a CSGO Pro Player. Certified PayDay moment, hah
bad painday idea: your perk deck and weapons, as well as the heists played and the throwable (if the perk deck doesn't use it), will be completely randomized; but you can choose your weapon's attachments, the skills, armor and, most important, the heister. no way we're going through all that pain with rust's voice lines on top of all that, i'd tear a hole in my computer monitor
Wait this brings up an interesting question. Would it be optimal to severely limit your CPU to where the game is just barley playable in order to be even faster in speedruns?
The length of this video is also the length of a successful murky station public stealth attempt (I made 10 attempts) yes you heard me PUBLIC STEALTH THAT LASTED 40 MINUTES
I decided to give this a go, I'm kind of disappointed I spent like 3 hours organizing my inventory, buying 1 of every gun and modding it, and only for when the swap happens, I get none of my modded guns, I just get vanilla ones.
hellow, you may remember me from the live stream. i have investigated the Birth of sky stealth route. while the game counts it as stealth, it doesnt fully treat it like stealth. i have photage going live soon discussing the discovery and how it all happened
To me, Who in their right minds would create or even use Randomizer mods? It’s fine in Hitman 2 since it’s more easier but in PAYDAY 2? That’s asking to be killed. You should try a challenge like: Can you beat PAYDAY 2 with low ammo pickup weapons
My mind is just a randomizer making any build, I just come up with stupid ideas, test em on Mayhem, and if it somewhat works, welp, off to Death Wish it goes.
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I think a semi fair way to handle skills Is to randomize a skill point budget in each of the 5 sections. That way there's still randomness involved but you get to pick the skills
Well that is a good point, preventing RNGesus from choosing your abilities would be an insult to the lord.
Only let it randomize perks that effect all
types of weapon/equipment/etc.
But the thing about the challenge is that it bot fair at all
@@SteelPoint. at 39:46 Kknowley suggests making changes to the skills if you want to try this yourself. Because, you know, we’re not all content creators who are doing it for April fool’s
I guess this shows, above all else, that Payday 2 is a hard and mechanically complex game, and the mutators are even tougher.
It also shows that your build GREATLY contributes to your success.
There's playing a trick on yourself and then there's making us watch you slam headfirst into a concrete wall for 40 minutes straight.
...10/10 content.
“Clear 3 heists in a row….” sounds easy, just need some stealth heists
“…randomized” oh dear god
OH DEAR FUCK
Not terribly daunting in loud either tbh.
@@MatchBreakers it's basically pulling a slot machine and hoping it doesnt explode on a bad roll
My reaction as well when I heard randomized
"...COMPLETLY RANDOMIZED"
DEAR GOD WHY
This is pretty close to total painday. Painday at its peak would be doing Iron Shadow.
All potentially stealthable and stealth-only heists
ICTV + 75 Detection
Tempting...
Calm down Satan
Iron shadow sounds cool for hell
Iron Shadow sounds like it’d be a dlc campaign name
See, *this* is the kind of challenge that makes me glad you’ve got lifelines.
It also sounds like it’d be incredibly fun…and incredibly challenging. Bonus points if you forbid yourself from using the Yakuza speed boost…though really, it might not be doable without it.
How poetic.
The one heist that proved to be the bane of your challenge runs was the finale to your hardest challenge yet.
The Bain.
At 16:04 you could've dominated the guard instead of killing him which wouldn't activate the Hydra mutator which would've prevented the heist from going loud.
Harsh dude...
I'm pretty sure there's a time window to dominate a guard in stealth but it's only like 2 secs, so by the time he got to him the window was long from over.
I'm ready to be bantered for this one
@@holybible2tokyodrift891 I agree, the time window had passed
@@holybible2tokyodrift891 3.457 seconds to be exact.
Beat the story but in reverse
And with only the commando 101 rpg
@@paladinloaf3420 easy, kingpin
Ah yes, get the secret ending and then beat the first bank
@@shiori00¹1¹1 11th😊²²²²
The story of a group of friends helping the US government return stolen items
12:29 For those last seconds, that Sniper wanted to be a Cloaker
Would love to see a sequel video to this. Its satisfying seeing a speedrunner cope against randomized odds and in case of Payday impact of the randomization is uniquely huge
It's actually pretty nice to see a stealth heist going loud is no problem. Now it's one or the other, because of the build. Would be something nice for Payday 3 to stealth the heist and when things go loud that you can still finish it with a loud build.
Might be cool to have a deployable that switches you to a set loadout, although not really feasible in the way payday 2 works
I love how you removed Ethan and Hila even when randomizing. The pain of having to play with them on top of the challenge would be truly unbearable.
nothing could’ve possibly prepared me to hear the sentence “Houston decided to break the Geneva Convention“
I loved when kknowley said “you see, i need my painday 2” and then suffered
"clear 3 heists on deatwish consecutively but that sounds pretty easy" and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
wait.. i have 2 kknowley videos open at the same time, the complete story of payday 2 (nearly done) and now this game... its a weird but great world we live in
update:i finished it, im now more confused then when i started
@@agentthorny guy makes group, group gets bigger, supernatural shenanigans, guy gets infected by supernatural pmc company, guys group does ritual to make guy president, and supernatural pmc dies out
There thats the TLDR of pd2
@@mts9266 so basically... guy group big supernatural infected ritual president die.
@@agentthorny guy enter president mind
Do it more often it looks like much fun to watch!
Houston snapped after years of living in the shadow of Dallas and Hoxton and became a war criminal. Truly a man we can all aspire to be!
No, you didn't overestimate the power of rogue, shields are just pure bullshit and i'm pretty sure they can bypass rogue's effects, because they hit way too much than they're supposed to
Can't dodge melee either
thats due to shield using smgs on DW
Ha.
Reminds me of the time I thought it would be funny to play no mercy with a medic clone army.
I still hear their voices in my sleep.
Thank you for the heart
Id love to see how far you could take a crime spree with this randomization. Early on it’d be fun and easy, but I can imagine how it could become bad quick. Obviously only build, load out, perk deck and the heist could be randomized (rolling a number between 1 and 3 for the heist offers.).
I got an idea for a challenge: Payday 2 campaign as a Bulldozer. This would mean using only muscle perk deck, and only the weapons that a bulldozer can use, as well as ICTV as soon as possible. It may seem easy, but stealth levels will be a pain. Access to the renfield means shotgun launching, though...
Also, do you think Payday 3 will be on ps4? I think so.
IIRC, someone from OVK did mention that, with the switch to Unreal Engine, console ports will be much easier and doable than with Diesel. And since there are games still releasing on PS4 currently, if it shows in 5, it should show on 4 as well.
@@Skorpeonismyrealname yeah, the reason development stopped on console was due to how hard it was to deal with the engine pd2 ran on
Muscle or armorer? I think either would be fitting honestly.
Speaking of pd3 im very worried about it. I think OVK will fuck it up considering the games theyve made in the past
@@mts9266 They've consistently done well updating payday 2, the recent DLCs are great, I'd expect the same level of quality in pd3
This monster of a challenge deserves at least a comment for the trouble. GG.
I’m not far enough into Payday 2 where I’m playing on death wish, but the phrase “Shield Dozers” scares me.
Here's an idea for another challenge: You can only use weapons with finite ammo, as in ones that can only be replenished by ammo bag. This includes throwables, you have to use ones that can't be recovered. Melee should be a last resort or to maintain stealth when absolutely necessary, the build cannot be focused on it.
13:48 I am pretty sure its because of the drill. Whenever i go down while fixing the drill i just know, no AI will even try to revive me. Must be an issue with the waypoints or something.
This year: no mutators. 2 consecutive heists. Death Sentence. One must be loud.
This video has reminded me of how long it’s been since the console versions have gotten an update
Idea: Do every heist on normal but with the spawn more enemies mod, hydra 4x and maxed out because of training
the day of pain (the 2nd one/sequel to the first painday)
Maniac is amaizing, pair it with Frenzy aced, underdog aced and bulseye aced, put on ICTV and wreck havoc as an unstoppable block of tungsten
"I need a medic bag!" -Dallas (The amount of times you failed because you couldn't get a medic bag was hilarious.)
I don't think I've ever actually had the AI come get me on Hox Breakout day 1, unless they were already on top of me. Not really sure why it happens but it gets annoying.
reasons the civ wasnt detected on black cat: detection is only in the head, meaning if an ai cannot see anothers head then well absolutely nothing there lifes fine and dandy
the receptionists head had clipped thru the desk luckily and the guards dont have esp wall hacks so there was no body to be detected XD
Im really sick and tired right now so i decided to watch this, got to the satanic ritual part, laughed like a maniac, scaring my own sleep deprived ass
I think the safehouse defending mission can be counted as a heist
What about a Random Day of the Week where you try to complete a heist with those settings but you only have 3 tries per day/week?
You know someone wants to torture themselves when they randomize the mutators
really good video, much more entertaining than the facial hair tier list. XD
Ugh. This looked rough. I’m still getting the grips of this game! And you… wow. Respect.
That hostage in the black cat heist wasn't seen because the ai only notices the head of a hostage.
You should make this a series of randomised builds! It'd be a great way to do some filler content and I loved it
12:29
I couldn't breathe from laughing at that.
Ah randomisers. What a love hate relationship you can have with them. The random skill point allocation reminded me of a comment I made a while back on one of your previous challenge videos, perhaps if you’d like to explore the idea of somewhat random point allocation for a future challenge.
My idea is this: You can use any weapons you like, but your point allocation will be restricted. You'd still be able to use the amount of skill points available to you at any specific level, but that amount is divided randomly into 5 numbers every 5 levels ups. the 5 numbers is how many points you can allocate to a certain tree. Eg: you have 40 skill points available, randomly divided into 13, 7, 8 ,6 and 6. until you rank up to the next level divisible by 5 (Lvl 30, 35 etc) this is your point allocation for your 5 skill trees. This could force certain strategies while also limiting crutch gameplay styles. The difficulty level may have to be adjusted, or having the availability of full perk decks, but this could be an interesting way to make builds for varying heists.
painday is my new favourite challenge lmao
Would highly reccomend the better bots mod and tone down the damage they deal if you ever play with them again. Also don't know if this is a mod thing or not, but pressing f / shouting at the ai while you are down will have them run over to revive you immediately
better bots is for people with skill issue
use lter
better bots is a cheat
The reason the sausage that you got at 28:50 didn’t get sound was kiss detection in the head, so they couldn’t see the head of the character model of the civilian
"clear 3 heists in a row on deathwish difficulty... sounds pretty easy."
me not being able to clear panic room on very hard: hm?
Good job on that 75 detect risk Murky Station run, though. Any 75 risk stealth run is impressive.
There are some mods that enable Pro jobs again would have made the challenge even more hellish
There are...ways. I don't endorse any of them
There are...ways. I don't endorse any of them
17:11 Woooow, you have waaay higher FPS than me, yet noone even tries to shoot you. Meanwhile when I play host heists with my friends and play in 15-20 fps somehow every unit becomes a CSGO Pro Player. Certified PayDay moment, hah
I can't even begin to imagine how much of a nightmare this must have been.
Getting Sydney is a instant restart
Jewelry store has 2 guards, should be easy to stealth since after that, just tie up civs in the shop and kill the others
bad painday idea:
your perk deck and weapons, as well as the heists played and the throwable (if the perk deck doesn't use it), will be completely randomized; but you can choose your weapon's attachments, the skills, armor and, most important, the heister.
no way we're going through all that pain with rust's voice lines on top of all that, i'd tear a hole in my computer monitor
the ai is why I have mods in single-player
13:50 this same thing happened to me. It’ a pathing glitch I think cuz they wouldn’t move to me while I was under the drill
You're a legend dude, the pure dedication!!
When the time traveler move the chair: the title.
Wait this brings up an interesting question. Would it be optimal to severely limit your CPU to where the game is just barley playable in order to be even faster in speedruns?
Beat any heist on normal with every mutator active and maxed out, and as hard as physically possible
I think it's just easier to say you're a hardcore masochist than do this
you should do the entire career mode next with random weapons and perk decks and all that
Why
1:24 "as we see with Grinder or hacker" you had so many choices, but you then go "ahh yes, Grinder. the most well known of the throwable perk decks."
this was acctualy just painday: the hell, you have to do painday 2 and finish 5 heists and 2 mutators
Great video man. Really enjoyed it
The Airport guns explode every 5 seconds global timer.
new challenge: finish a stealth heist with a random pub WITHOUT wanting to rip your own fingernails off
100! CONGRATS KKNOWLEY
Are the modifiers/mutators only on pc? if not how do you access them on console
7:02 based houston
Based
What laptop do you use? I’ve been looking for a good one but I don’t know which ones are the best
The length of this video is also the length of a successful murky station public stealth attempt (I made 10 attempts) yes you heard me PUBLIC STEALTH THAT LASTED 40 MINUTES
I didn't know about the facial hair video, I will definitely be watching it next
Jesus, I’m barely into the video and it already sounds like PAIN
I persomslly thought you woulf keep the successful random build for all three rounds. With heisft and modifier being changed out.
excuse me. SHIELD DOZERS?!
I decided to give this a go, I'm kind of disappointed I spent like 3 hours organizing my inventory, buying 1 of every gun and modding it, and only for when the swap happens, I get none of my modded guns, I just get vanilla ones.
Seeing Houston getting dropkick in slow-motion is always a good sight to see
Grats on 100k bro
congrats on 100k!!
Hey Kknowley it’s me from the stream
you're soon gonna be able to get verified.
*Don't answer that, **-IT'S RHETORICAL-*
Bro isn't playing on death wish, he playin on death row 💀
hellow, you may remember me from the live stream.
i have investigated the Birth of sky stealth route.
while the game counts it as stealth, it doesnt fully treat it like stealth.
i have photage going live soon discussing the discovery and how it all happened
th-cam.com/video/ZngG0upBfmQ/w-d-xo.html here is the video for those curios, i ended up exploring it all
still easier that pd:th green bridge on normal
do you know a good payday: the heist style build for payday 2?
3:52 MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO SAY DEATHWISH
You are a fully respected heister now sir!
I CANNOT imagine being successful doing any of these!
Man vs RNG: The Movie
4:04 attacks a flash bang with a fire axe, goes fucking blind.
What did you think would happen?
(This is a joke calm tf down)
wait you play payday like that on a laptop???
I dont see myself doing this cause i only ever use 3-5 perks a few buids and have never used mutators
Ok so you can call the AI to revive you just point your crosshair at them and press the shout button
really cool idea!
BAIN im in PAIN!
To me, Who in their right minds would create or even use Randomizer mods? It’s fine in Hitman 2 since it’s more easier but in PAYDAY 2? That’s asking to be killed. You should try a challenge like: Can you beat PAYDAY 2 with low ammo pickup weapons
People who’re massive masochists apparently.
My mind is just a randomizer making any build, I just come up with stupid ideas, test em on Mayhem, and if it somewhat works, welp, off to Death Wish it goes.
really sad that this isnt a hair tier list
The only sub I've failed, I'll get to work...