Wren, your impression of the lieutenant was spot on. In a deleted scene, which can be seen on TH-cam, the lieutenant believed Kyle Reese’s story. He survived his wounds and gave his gun to Kyle, telling him to keep Sarah alive.
Next has GOT to be Terminator 2. The very last scene of the jeep driving off was shot without a film permit, a big no-no. The police showed up and James Cameron quickly explained to the police that it was only a student film with some of the dads helping out, here and there. The police accepted that so there were no problems.
FOR EVERYONE'S BELIEF THAT "I RECOGNIZE THAT PERSON": 1) Sarah's roommate Ginger is Bess Mota /who had a fitness show on Fox in 80s as a competitor to ESPN'sDenise Austin..... also had weekly comedy show staring Kevin Pollak doing impressions *2) GINGER'S BOYFRIEND IS VAL KILMER'S CO-PILOT (BACK-SEATER) "SLIDER" IN TOP GUN*
To answer your request about Easter Eggs in the Terminator's vision: For the Terminator's POV, it's 6502 code that's part of an assembly function to load stuff from an Apple II DOS 3.3 floppy. The whole program appears in an issue of Nibble magazine (back in the early days of home computers, there were magazines that would publish codes that users could type out into their computer to run functions. Gaming magazines certainly allowed for purchasers to program games by copying the codes they publish). Also, the Terminator's endoskeleton was brought to life with a combination of a stop motion puppet and a full scale animatronic puppet.
For the terminator endoskeleton, they built both full-sized puppets and scale models. The puppets were supported on a special rig, operated by several puppeteers, and mostly filmed in closeup to hide the crew operating them. The models were animated with stop motion.
A couple of time travel movies that I really like (both coincidentally staring Bruce Willis) are 12 Monkeys and Looper. They definitely have fun with the way they set up the rules of their time travel.
Fun Fact I had a coworker once that had two other people with the same first and last name die in one week in WV and after a quick check the count was 3 in a month. He is still alive but we joked about it for a few days and he is a bit of a tech head with a habit of buying the latest phones as they came out. I also joked over the phones, saying I could see him playing cards using 52 phones as a deck.
@@GGGritzer Oh I love them both, but they’re incomparable. The first movie was a brilliant horror movie under the guise of an action flick-Meanwhile the sequel was maybe the best action movie of all time. A stark tonal disconnect. Both amazing movies though. I do credit Arnold Schwarzenegger crafting the coldest, detached killing machine since Michael Meyers. And in T2, I praise Robert Patrick for inserting that horror element within T2 to keep up some of that horror element in the follow up film.
The Easiest way to think about ALL the Terminator Movies/TV is think of as if they follow Different/Multiple Timelines: - T1, T2(Director's Cut), end - T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), T:Dark Fate - T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), T3, T:Salvation - T1, T:Genisys - T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), Sarah Conner Chronicles (TV show)
The "director's cut" is the theatrical cut. Cameron said that he was sad in particular to cut Kyle's cameo and the chip scene, but he ultimately considers the movie that was released in theaters to be the "real" one. Additionally, the extended cut (153 minutes) is not to be confused with the ultimate edition (156 minutes), the latter of which is the one that has the alternate "happy future" ending
If you love the "paradox" aspect of time travel movies I highly recommend "Primer". I don't want to spoil anything, but I'd largely describe it a as time travel movie written by engineers, with all the thorns and roses that entails.
The lights on the cop car was a good question. They run off of the cars main battery, which is constantly being charged if the engine is running. The battery will run out if the lights are on and the engine is off.
From what I remember reading, they made the "mistake" of choosing to make the Terminator puppets out of actual steel. They did this because substitutes like aluminum just didn't look as realistic, but it made the puppets VERY heavy -- so much so that they had to put them on wheels or move them with cranes.
OJ Simpson was considered for the Terminator. Arnold was originally approached for the role of Kyle Reese. While speaking with James Cameron, Arnold spoke about the movie "Westworld" 1973 which he had recently seen. He was impressed with Yul Brynner's portrayal of The Gunfighter and how he progressively became more mechanical through the movie.
They put credits at the beginning of the movie as a kind of warning "The Movie Is Starting" for people in the theater. Not really needed in home theater.
Terminator 2 is one of the best sequels of all time. After that... Well, not so much. But T2 is a genuinely good movie, even ignoring all of the really well done action. It has a lot more depth of story, too. Oh, and I really like how you name the intro "pre-ramble" now. :D
From Kyle's point of view, his life is: born in the aftermath of the nuclear war, raised in the ruins fighting Skynet, meets John Connor, goes back in time to protect Sarah, fathers John, and dies. John Connor, who knows Kyle is his father, gives Kyle the photograph to make him fall in love with Sarah, then sends Kyle back in time; if he doesn't send Kyle then he won't exist. Skynet knows nothing but the name Sarah Connor, so has to kill all the Sarah Connors. Kyle knows exactly who Sarah is, so he goes straight to her, but can't do anything until the terminator reveals himself. Presumably there was originally a timeline in which Kyle wasn't John's father, but once the loop is established it's self-sustaining - every event on the loop is both caused by and causes other events on the loop.
"Presumably there was originally a timeline in which Kyle wasn't John's father, but once the loop is established it's self-sustaining - every event on the loop is both caused by and causes other events on the loop." This is an assumption that people often make about time travel without there really being any evidence that says it would need to work this way. At this point (not considering any of the sequels) there's no reason to assume there "was" ever a timeline that looked any different from the one depicted in this movie.
The Terminator is arguably the greatest low-budget sci-fi thriller ever made. But its sequel, Terminator 2 is arguably the greatest sequel and the greatest action film ever made. And "Ill be back" may be the most iconic one-liner in film history.
Somewhere in Time (1980) you will love. You’ll love the story, the beautiful hotel and the wonderful music. Promise. Have you seen the ultimate time travel movie, Back to the Future? I’m guessing you have. If not it’s a must-see movie. And the two sequels.
It’s incredible just how good this film turned out when you factor into the equation the considerably low budget (James Cameron had not had a major hit until this), which was so low that some on-location shots were shot “wild”, without obtaining official permits.
yes, this is the origin of "come with me if you want to live." no, the lights (cherries and berries) won't run out of battery, because there operate off of electricity from the engine's alternator and electrical system.
This is the origin of 'come with me if you want to live' and 'I'll be back'. Terminator 2 is similar in tone and plot. The way 2 ends, it sets the future so that everything after 2 requires retconning the end of 2. Kyle said he was wondering what Sarah was thinking about when the picture was taken. In this time displaced love story, Sarah was thinking about Kyle. For a confusing time travel story _Primer_ th-cam.com/video/Fg7cPjQWjKg/w-d-xo.html
Oh, and while I’m /weeks/ late with this, here’s an Expanse reference for you (in case you didn’t already know): the club where Reese saves Sarah is Tech Noir. In The Expanse, there’s a shop on Ceres Station called Tech Noir; it’s where Miller goes to ask for “a sherpa”.
Police lights are usually wired into the car's general electrical system, drawing off the battery of the engine. Sometimes police cars will have a secondary battery, both primary and secondary batteries charging off of the engine alternator as the engine runs. The light will run off the battery for quite some time but eventually you have to run the engine to keep the battery charged.
'Well, this seems a bit anti-climactic...." Well, you were right. But that's because it hadn't actually reached the final boss-fight, yet. 😁 I don't know that this bit of time-travel created a paradox. I mean, Reese traveled back in time, but then he died in the past before he was born in the future, so he didn't influence *himself* . John apparently just lived his life beginning to end, without going back in time, and Sarah did as well. Moreover, John never told *himself* anything -- he just learned the identity of his father from Sarah's tapes.
Well there's no real paradoxes when anything 'paradoxical' simply creates alternate timelines. As Kyle explained to her when she asked if he was from the future... "one possible future".
There were 7 sequels in the Terminator movie franchise. There was also a TV series that lasted two seasons called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
You’d like the TV show “The Sarah Conner Chronicles” which takes place between Terminator 2 & 3. It shows Sarah and John and how the actions of T1 & T2 changes the time line. You also get to see Kyle as a child.
When I (native German speaker from Austria) watched the movie (with German dubbing) as a kid I imagined Kyle's name to be spelt as "Keil", which means "wedge", and I was quite amused about someone being named like that. 😁
Yes, there was stop motion with a poseable puppet but also (later?) they made various practical life sized metal parts that could be filmed in real time. So the various leg and head close-ups are completely practical but the full body shots are stop motion. At the time the intercutting of stop motion and practical was stunning because the moment you thought it started to look artificial it switched to a closeup practical and you were total back to it all being real.
Terminator 2 is the only sequel one has to watch. Time travel never makes sense you just have to be willing to go with it. if it is a good story overall you can ignore paradoxes and contradictions.
When they film people on fire they tend to use a gelled mixture that burns cool and have a way to put it out at the cut. Depending on the shot they often use a fire resistant suit (made from a material like fire fighters use). CGI and forced perspective (camera location set to make something appear in camera real with scaled layers, fire in front and behind but not in the space the subject is in.) A famous Bond helicopter going through a factory building precredit shot has a good how it was done vid.
My son offered a theory that the only way for Skynet to win the war was to go back in time and stop itself from inventing time travel so that Kyle Reese can't go back and father John Connor.
The text on the red screen when we see through the terminator's eyes is Assembly Language code for the 6502 microprocessor, the most common processor in home computers at the time.
If you think Sarah’s the full Article now watch T2. She spent months in the gym and on a range shooting before filming started. Linda Hamilton is fantastic in T2 she should have got an Oscar . . .
There is also another time paradox at play here. If the defense network computer didn't send the terminator back in time to kill Sarah there wouldn't be any evidence of its existence left at the factory.
If we are counting on predestination, there is no paradox. they went back in time to put things in motion that will secure the future they came from. nice and clean It's interesting how you called it so fast about the father.
I'm really glad you liked the movie. I say this whenever someone watches the first movie, but I think it's important and it's really just neat, at least to me. I think the movie is even more amazing when you realize that this movie had basically _no_ budget. That's why the look of the Arnold-head puppet is a bit--dodgy. It's also important to note that time was a problem, particularly with the stop-motion segments. The Terminator skeleton puppet wasn't given to the stop-motion team until almost the very last minute, so they had less than a _quarter_ of the time to take their measurements, make a model, and film it than they should have had. As such, the stop-motion scenes aren't as great as they could have been. The visual effects weren't particularly great, it's true, but it's not from the movie being "bad" or a "product of its time"; it's too little money and too little time. As for the time shenanigans, well, the franchise doesn't keep it straight; how time travel "works" varies from movie to movie, sometimes even in the same movie. That aside, how it works here is pretty straightforward. It's a stable time loop, not a paradox. Reese went back to protect Sarah because he was more or less goaded into volunteering by John, because Kyle had gone back to save his mother before he was born. So it's a time loop, but it's a "stable" loop. It sounds weird, I know, but to make sense of it, you have to start wrapping your head around the idea that effect can precede cause. This is largely because there is no way to actually "change" anything. What might be more difficult to wrap your head around is that free will is a myth. All actions are predetermined, based on factors that we are nearly incapable of conceiving, much less analyzing. To put it as poetically as Carl Sagan might, our destinies were decided by the atoms set in motion at the birth of the universe. This is why time-travel "paradoxes" aren't really a problem, in general. You can't go back in time and unalive your grandfather before he met your grandmother because it didn't happen. You can't do what didn't happen. By that same token, you can _only_ do what _did_ happen. Kyle went back and fathered John because he went back and fathered John. He couldn't _not_ do it. Another stable time loop is that Skynet created itself by sending the terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner. The Terminator went back in time to kill Sarah, Reese went back in time to save her, and in so doing created the very problem Skynet sent the Terminator back to solve. That aside, I'm fully on-board the "watch the sequel" train. It really is considered as good, some even consider it much better, than the first. Also, as I alluded to, it had a bigger budget and a lot more time, so everything looks positively stunning. Everything _after_ the second movie is where the fan base breaks up into arguments and slap-fights. Everyone loves the first two, but from there on it's a mixed bag. Between a handful of movies and a television show, plots are picked up and thrown away, the physics of pretty much everything vary based on the movie or show, and in general it's--frankly, it's a mess. Personally, I suggest to just ignore the franchise after the sequel, save for _Terminator: Dark Fate._ The movies and series get really weird, contradict each other and themselves, and generally are just a mess, as I said. _Dark Fate,_ however, was made specifically to take place after _Terminator 2: Judgment Day,_ so it thoroughly ignores all that chaos, plus it was created with direct involvement by James Cameron. Personally, I feel it's a very good third movie to follow the first two. That said, you're going to get a lot of people arguing for or against the entire franchise, so really, it's up to you, of course. Alllllll of that aside, if you like time travel movies, I have two to suggest: _Primer_ and _Predestination._ Both feature stable time loops, but go in somewhat different directions with them. I do suggest to look up absolutely _nothing_ about _Predestination._ There is no way to get any information without really spoiling the movie, so just make sure you have the one starring Ethan Hawke and you'll be fine. 🏳🌈🖖
Glad you watched this movie. I always enjoy your reactions and analysis. Your after movie thoughts were great. I'm glad you appreciated and enjoyed the state of the art special effects cicra 1984. You being concerned about Pugsley made me think of Bizmuth. Make sure Bizmuth joins us when you watch Terminator 2. Highly recommend you watch this sequel. Thanks again for sharing with us.
Great reaction! Congrats on getting a job. Hope it’s really nice for you. I’m looking forward to hopefully you reacting to all those movies you mentioned: 2010 Terminator 2 Aliens - **SPECIAL** **EDITION** I also hope you watch the next two Indiana Jones movies: The Temple of Doom The Last Crusade
24:20 The answers that appear in his system are the answers he received from the people during his previous interactions, the neuron-based processor of the T800 used them to determine the "correct" answer for the given situation. In his very first interaction, he just repeated the punks' questions in declarative mode.
21:00 ..."Fashion is important to pause for when running for your life." --Wren. Perhaps no arrangement of words truer than these ma'am. If there is no fashion sense in our future world, then is it really even worth fighting for? "Come with me if you want to get a London Fog jacket at 33% off before the Summer Sale ends" was the original line from the Terminator, but it was removed from the script after the endorsement deal with the studio fell through.😎 ps. The London Fog advert is not a true story, but it could be after we invent time travel. Possibilities, possibilities.
I guess this movie was conceived as a stand-alone piece. My interpretation is that the future is set, and that the war is going to happen. The sequence of events that led to the nuclear war has no starting point due to time travel, so everything happened the way it was supposed to happen. At least until the sequels mucked it up. T2 is pretty good. I personally like this film better, but most people prefer the second film. I really like Sarah as an every-woman who has the innate ability to become a leader. And that she isn't aware of her ability until she is put in an extreme situation. That really resonated with me. Great reaction!
1. Linda Hamilton ROCKED. She's really built in T2. "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" is the action movie GOAT. 2. Lance Henriksen/Vukovich, Michael Biehn/Reese and Bill Paxton/punk also played in "Aliens" as Bishop, Hicks and Hudson respectively. 3.We have limited AI now. So does China.😱😱 4. If this wasn't a movie the ammunition would not have been available on the gun shop counter. 5. Ginger's boyfriend Matt must be a lousy lay if she needs rock and roll to "rock and roll".😏 6. Watching people react to the eye operation is worth watching this all by itself. 7. THAT'S a bitch slap.😲
As for time paradoxes, I once read a short story (only a couple of pages) about an inventor who creates a small scale prototype time machine. The device itself doesn't travel in time, it just send items placed on it through time. He demonstrates it to some friends, first by sending a small cube into the future. Then he says something like that in ten minutes, he'll send the cube back in time five minutes, and sure enough, at the proper time, the cube appears. A friend asks what would happen if he now decided NOT to send the cube back in time, since it had already happened. He wonders if it would create a paradox. The scientist is fascinated and decides to try it. The end of the story is that the entire universe just blinked out of existence. :)
You should do some reacts to Star Trek also Battlestar Galactica as well. This so iconic that movies and TV series are still being produced under the Terminator franchise even today
A. I. like in the movie has already started killing. Star Trek actor Anton who played the JJ Abrams reboot Chekov and a military operator. The first was while changing oil on a self driving car that chose to start on its' own shift into gear pinning the actor against his door killing him. The military one refused to accept a drill was a drill and killed its' operator when told it to stand down. This movie is a warning of what is happening now minus the time travel.
23:05 "Kyle is not a post-apocalyptic name." What is? Should his name be Skull Crusher? Robot Killer? Neo? Lone Wanderer? I Am Legend? I think his parents grew up pre-apocalypse and formed their opinions of what names they want for their kids in a pre-apocalyptic world. In fact, he's named after his maternal great-grandfather.
Computers trusted to run things and it goes poorly? I recall back in 1968 Star Trek The original series had an episode called The Ultimate Computer in season two. where that very thing happened.
What an unexpected pleasure! Terminator set up the Franchise quotes - Come with me if you want to live, and I'll be back. It also propelled a little known Austrian bodybuilder into film star status! Your Enchanted simile is unusual, but yeah, I can see it! Very much a fish-out-of-water. I love Terminator's synth soundtrack, too, very much an archetype of the genre. Terminator 2 is a great sequel, much like Aliens, also by James Cameron and also featuring Michael Biehn (Reece). The rest of the terminator films aren't great. T3 was pretty much patt of Arnold Schwartzenegger's campaign for governor, and the others wrre clearly attempts to continue the franchise and produce product, rather than because someone wanted to tell a story.
19:40 "I feel like we should have higher security for a random guy just walking in like that." Congratulations on you never having been to a police station; you must be doing something right. Most people who are taken into police custody end up at the station but their car does not. So they don't have a ride. Often, they call a friend or family member to come pick them up. Or sometimes people walk into a police station to report a crime that they just witnessed, or were victims of. Or sometimes lawyers or parents or other family members come to see a person in police custody. Or sometimes lawyers come to visit clients in police custody. Or sometimes reporters come to interview cops or persons in police custody. Or for many other reasons, police stations have a front door and anybody can walk into the lobby. One of more officers on duty will talk to whoever walks in and provide whatever assistance is required. While anybody can walk into the lobby, the interior door to the rest of the police station is locked. You need to have good reason for them to open that lock, and often an officer will be required to accompany you on whatever purpose you have behind the locked door.
When stop motion animation is composited over real footage (as it is here) it *is* done via a chroma key green screen. The technique dates back to the 1940s. (Technically this film - and most of its time - used a *blue* screen, but same difference.)
Seems you didn't miss anything and nice you had fun watching like most of us did growing up. also obligatory suggestion of T2 which is arguably even more fun. the first was relatively low budget so they tried using just the upper torso of the animatronic to save moola.
If you enjoy paradoxes you'll love the sequel, if you want to see more of the post apocalyptic world i honestly recommend terminator salvation .....not everyone will agree.
Closed Causal Loops, such as the Predestination Paradox and the Bootstrap Paradox, which involve a self-existing time loop in which cause and effect run in a repeating circle, but is also internally consistent with the timeline’s history. Like being your own grandpa or fathering the leader of your anti-bot militia that sends you back to save his Ma and make a donation to your existence, hehe. Thanks for the reaction ma'am, you are always entertaining.😁👍
I enjoyed your commentary. The Blade Runner movies would be good to react to. RoboCop would also be good, and if you want to get weird, Brazil would be interesting.
when you watch T2 watch the original theatrical cut. The later special edition adds outtakes which are superfluous and comedic elements of some of them are out of place.
In T1, the T-800 is bad in T2, a reprogramed T-800 gose back to protect John. Do yourself a favour and stop at T2, but if you must watch T3 or Dark Fate .
If you haven't see or reacred to the following ypu might like these : blade runner,blade runner2049,the original robocop,dredd,the original miniseries for battlestar galatica '78,the origjial trilogy star wars,the ' 82 version conan w/ arnold,.
I use to like paradox timelines when I was younger too but I grew out of them despite they do make great movies using them. Logically, they never make any realistic sense because what's stopping any species from going back to the beginning when the universe was just starting to come into creation and you stop it from happening? I believe there is one immutable universal law which is, no one gets to go back in time and rearrange the deck chairs of the Titanic because those who created this universe isn't likely to allow some peon race within their creation to destroy their creation. The past is there to learn from, not to cheat life out of.
Hi Wren, I've just discovered your channel and I've subscribed :) it's great you've seen this sci-fi classic, it's amazing - as it's incredible sequel Terminator 2. Please react to that soon. Production on the first movie got put back several months, in that time director James Cameron wrote Aliens! Please react to that soon as well :)
Just found your channel. Would love to see you react to more classic sci-fi movies! Please check out “Blade Runner” (1982) The Final Cut The Final Cut is the director’s true vision of the film. The original theatrical cut was compromised with studio interference and is a sloppier, more dumbed down cut, that bombed when it came out. The film took on new life with the director’s cut hitting home video. The Final Cut is 100% the way to go. The preference of the director and fans.
Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor. In another movie duo is him again as Dwayne.(the rest is secret as ya haven't seen it. Yet?) Ya could compare him to Batman's Robin or the Excalibur sword from King Arthur as he always ends up right beside the hero.
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Wren, your impression of the lieutenant was spot on. In a deleted scene, which can be seen on TH-cam, the lieutenant believed Kyle Reese’s story. He survived his wounds and gave his gun to Kyle, telling him to keep Sarah alive.
Traxler giving Kyle the gun was a super scene with depth & emotion. The only deleted one I would like to see restored.
And in the original script, he gave Reese his car keys so that they could get away.
Nah she definitely seen the movie before
Next has GOT to be Terminator 2. The very last scene of the jeep driving off was shot without a film permit, a big no-no. The police showed up and James Cameron quickly explained to the police that it was only a student film with some of the dads helping out, here and there. The police accepted that so there were no problems.
On to T2…a must-watch sequel
T2 is often considered one of the best sequels ever made, next to Aliens (also James Cameron)
FOR EVERYONE'S BELIEF THAT "I RECOGNIZE THAT PERSON":
1) Sarah's roommate Ginger is Bess Mota /who had a fitness show on Fox in 80s as a competitor to ESPN'sDenise Austin..... also had weekly comedy show staring Kevin Pollak doing impressions
*2) GINGER'S BOYFRIEND IS VAL KILMER'S CO-PILOT (BACK-SEATER) "SLIDER" IN TOP GUN*
"I don't do good with gore...oh that's neat...chicken tendons" lol
Even reenacted the chicken foot movement 😅
So you think engineering is gory?
My favorite subtle thing, before he kills the first Sarah Conner, he runs over a toy big rig. It's the same type of truck that runs him over later 😯
The Terminator credits roll is the best, perfectly laying out the chilling tone for the movie.
To answer your request about Easter Eggs in the Terminator's vision: For the Terminator's POV, it's 6502 code that's part of an assembly function to load stuff from an Apple II DOS 3.3 floppy. The whole program appears in an issue of Nibble magazine (back in the early days of home computers, there were magazines that would publish codes that users could type out into their computer to run functions. Gaming magazines certainly allowed for purchasers to program games by copying the codes they publish).
Also, the Terminator's endoskeleton was brought to life with a combination of a stop motion puppet and a full scale animatronic puppet.
For the terminator endoskeleton, they built both full-sized puppets and scale models. The puppets were supported on a special rig, operated by several puppeteers, and mostly filmed in closeup to hide the crew operating them. The models were animated with stop motion.
The next one, Terminator 2, is one of those perfect movies. Like The Shawshank Redemption.
...and Casablanca.
@@minnesotajones261 What...? I think you are suffering from perceptual distortion...
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A couple of time travel movies that I really like (both coincidentally staring Bruce Willis) are 12 Monkeys and Looper. They definitely have fun with the way they set up the rules of their time travel.
'Whew - he did not waste time; but he _did_ waste bullets.' Hahaha you have a new sub lol
Fun Fact I had a coworker once that had two other people with the same first and last name die in one week in WV and after a quick check the count was 3 in a month. He is still alive but we joked about it for a few days and he is a bit of a tech head with a habit of buying the latest phones as they came out. I also joked over the phones, saying I could see him playing cards using 52 phones as a deck.
Terminator 2 is one of the best sequels ever made.
MUCH prefer the original.
Can we simply appreciate the movie at hand before we praise the sequel?
So many act as if The Terminator didn’t happen.
@@richlisola1, well I MUCH prefer the nailbiting hard edged original. Second was interesting, not a patch on this masterpiece though! 🙂
@@GGGritzer Oh I love them both, but they’re incomparable. The first movie was a brilliant horror movie under the guise of an action flick-Meanwhile the sequel was maybe the best action movie of all time.
A stark tonal disconnect. Both amazing movies though. I do credit Arnold Schwarzenegger crafting the coldest, detached killing machine since Michael Meyers. And in T2, I praise Robert Patrick for inserting that horror element within T2 to keep up some of that horror element in the follow up film.
@@richlisola1, I like both, but I love the original. 2nd would have had more weight had it been darker and without the goofs.
The Easiest way to think about ALL the Terminator Movies/TV is think of as if they follow Different/Multiple Timelines:
- T1, T2(Director's Cut), end
- T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), T:Dark Fate
- T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), T3, T:Salvation
- T1, T:Genisys
- T1, T2(Theatrical Cut), Sarah Conner Chronicles (TV show)
The "director's cut" is the theatrical cut. Cameron said that he was sad in particular to cut Kyle's cameo and the chip scene, but he ultimately considers the movie that was released in theaters to be the "real" one. Additionally, the extended cut (153 minutes) is not to be confused with the ultimate edition (156 minutes), the latter of which is the one that has the alternate "happy future" ending
If you love the "paradox" aspect of time travel movies I highly recommend "Primer". I don't want to spoil anything, but I'd largely describe it a as time travel movie written by engineers, with all the thorns and roses that entails.
The skeletal terminator was a stop motion miniature and a full sized articulated puppet of the torso.
Built by the amazing talents of Stan Winston!
The lights on the cop car was a good question. They run off of the cars main battery, which is constantly being charged if the engine is running. The battery will run out if the lights are on and the engine is off.
From what I remember reading, they made the "mistake" of choosing to make the Terminator puppets out of actual steel. They did this because substitutes like aluminum just didn't look as realistic, but it made the puppets VERY heavy -- so much so that they had to put them on wheels or move them with cranes.
OJ Simpson was considered for the Terminator. Arnold was originally approached for the role of Kyle Reese. While speaking with James Cameron, Arnold spoke about the movie "Westworld" 1973 which he had recently seen. He was impressed with Yul Brynner's portrayal of The Gunfighter and how he progressively became more mechanical through the movie.
I call shenanigans!
This movie is bait and switch!
It sells itself as an action movie but is in fact a romance movie.
Possibly a horror/ slasher type movie instead with the terminator being the slasher.
No paradoxes here - there IS a time loop.
Sarah gives birth to John who sends Kyle back in time so he can be the father of John... rinse & repeat.
They put credits at the beginning of the movie as a kind of warning "The Movie Is Starting" for people in the theater.
Not really needed in home theater.
I love how it gets you into the mood and vibe.
Yes, Time travel is a core aspect to this saga. It's a bit of a bootstrap paradox too, if you think about it.
Especially when you consider that skynet ensures its own creation & destruction in the same operation by sending the initiator back in time .
Something I’m not sure I ever noticed before: the address of the gun shop is “14329” and the address of the first Sarah Connor’s house is “14239”.
Terminator 2 is one of the best sequels of all time. After that... Well, not so much.
But T2 is a genuinely good movie, even ignoring all of the really well done action. It has a lot more depth of story, too.
Oh, and I really like how you name the intro "pre-ramble" now. :D
From Kyle's point of view, his life is: born in the aftermath of the nuclear war, raised in the ruins fighting Skynet, meets John Connor, goes back in time to protect Sarah, fathers John, and dies. John Connor, who knows Kyle is his father, gives Kyle the photograph to make him fall in love with Sarah, then sends Kyle back in time; if he doesn't send Kyle then he won't exist. Skynet knows nothing but the name Sarah Connor, so has to kill all the Sarah Connors. Kyle knows exactly who Sarah is, so he goes straight to her, but can't do anything until the terminator reveals himself.
Presumably there was originally a timeline in which Kyle wasn't John's father, but once the loop is established it's self-sustaining - every event on the loop is both caused by and causes other events on the loop.
"Presumably there was originally a timeline in which Kyle wasn't John's father, but once the loop is established it's self-sustaining - every event on the loop is both caused by and causes other events on the loop."
This is an assumption that people often make about time travel without there really being any evidence that says it would need to work this way. At this point (not considering any of the sequels) there's no reason to assume there "was" ever a timeline that looked any different from the one depicted in this movie.
The Terminator is arguably the greatest low-budget sci-fi thriller ever made. But its sequel, Terminator 2 is arguably the greatest sequel and the greatest action film ever made.
And "Ill be back" may be the most iconic one-liner in film history.
Somewhere in Time (1980) you will love. You’ll love the story, the beautiful hotel and the wonderful music. Promise.
Have you seen the ultimate time travel movie, Back to the Future? I’m guessing you have. If not it’s a must-see movie. And the two sequels.
It’s incredible just how good this film turned out when you factor into the equation the considerably low budget (James Cameron had not had a major hit until this), which was so low that some on-location shots were shot “wild”, without obtaining official permits.
here we GO!
the parents phone thing is from the second movie. I'm sure you figured that out already.
yes, this is the origin of "come with me if you want to live."
no, the lights (cherries and berries) won't run out of battery, because there operate off of electricity from the engine's alternator and electrical system.
if there are any easter eggs in the text of the terminator's heads up display, they've escaped me for 40 years.
RIP Pugsley. He was never mentioned again, as far as I know.
This is the origin of 'come with me if you want to live' and 'I'll be back'.
Terminator 2 is similar in tone and plot. The way 2 ends, it sets the future so that everything after 2 requires retconning the end of 2.
Kyle said he was wondering what Sarah was thinking about when the picture was taken. In this time displaced love story, Sarah was thinking about Kyle.
For a confusing time travel story _Primer_ th-cam.com/video/Fg7cPjQWjKg/w-d-xo.html
Oh, and while I’m /weeks/ late with this, here’s an Expanse reference for you (in case you didn’t already know): the club where Reese saves Sarah is Tech Noir. In The Expanse, there’s a shop on Ceres Station called Tech Noir; it’s where Miller goes to ask for “a sherpa”.
I just hope Pugsley was ok. That poor iguana didn't deserve to be traumatized.
Police lights are usually wired into the car's general electrical system, drawing off the battery of the engine. Sometimes police cars will have a secondary battery, both primary and secondary batteries charging off of the engine alternator as the engine runs. The light will run off the battery for quite some time but eventually you have to run the engine to keep the battery charged.
'Well, this seems a bit anti-climactic...."
Well, you were right.
But that's because it hadn't actually reached the final boss-fight, yet. 😁
I don't know that this bit of time-travel created a paradox.
I mean, Reese traveled back in time, but then he died in the past before he was born in the future, so he didn't influence *himself* .
John apparently just lived his life beginning to end, without going back in time, and Sarah did as well.
Moreover, John never told *himself* anything -- he just learned the identity of his father from Sarah's tapes.
Well there's no real paradoxes when anything 'paradoxical' simply creates alternate timelines. As Kyle explained to her when she asked if he was from the future... "one possible future".
"The Terminator"": The Hero's Journey of Sarah Connor, assisted by Tech. Sgt. Kyle Reese.
There were 7 sequels in the Terminator movie franchise. There was also a TV series that lasted two seasons called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
I think this is the first time ever anyone wondered if Pugsley was OK!
My head canon is that the woman she worked with at the restaurant who said, "You're dead honey" is the one who ends up with Pugsley.
You’d like the TV show “The Sarah Conner Chronicles” which takes place between Terminator 2 & 3. It shows Sarah and John and how the actions of T1 & T2 changes the time line. You also get to see Kyle as a child.
When I (native German speaker from Austria) watched the movie (with German dubbing) as a kid I imagined Kyle's name to be spelt as "Keil", which means "wedge", and I was quite amused about someone being named like that. 😁
Yes, there was stop motion with a poseable puppet but also (later?) they made various practical life sized metal parts that could be filmed in real time. So the various leg and head close-ups are completely practical but the full body shots are stop motion. At the time the intercutting of stop motion and practical was stunning because the moment you thought it started to look artificial it switched to a closeup practical and you were total back to it all being real.
Terminator 2 is the only sequel one has to watch. Time travel never makes sense you just have to be willing to go with it. if it is a good story overall you can ignore paradoxes and contradictions.
When they film people on fire they tend to use a gelled mixture that burns cool and have a way to put it out at the cut. Depending on the shot they often use a fire resistant suit (made from a material like fire fighters use). CGI and forced perspective (camera location set to make something appear in camera real with scaled layers, fire in front and behind but not in the space the subject is in.) A famous Bond helicopter going through a factory building precredit shot has a good how it was done vid.
In the directors cut of T2 Pugsley would not be okay- WARNING ⚠️ they kill a doggo for no reason, so please watch the theatrical release of T2
But if you were a fan of the romance between Kyle/Sarah, please watch the director's cut.
the movie used a full scale 6ft tall metal puppet that was manipulated by a crew of 6 just because of the actual weight of it.
Just want to add my vote for T2.
My son offered a theory that the only way for Skynet to win the war was to go back in time and stop itself from inventing time travel so that Kyle Reese can't go back and father John Connor.
This movie ranked at #82 in the 100 scariest movie moments on Bravo
The text on the red screen when we see through the terminator's eyes is Assembly Language code for the 6502 microprocessor, the most common processor in home computers at the time.
Terminator definately thinking about the good old days
If you think Sarah’s the full Article now watch T2. She spent months in the gym and on a range shooting before filming started. Linda Hamilton is fantastic in T2 she should have got an Oscar . . .
There is also another time paradox at play here. If the defense network computer didn't send the terminator back in time to kill Sarah there wouldn't be any evidence of its existence left at the factory.
If we are counting on predestination, there is no paradox. they went back in time to put things in motion that will secure the future they came from. nice and clean
It's interesting how you called it so fast about the father.
12:44 Yes, this is the source of "Come with me if you want to live."
You were right the first time. Stop Motion is what gave life to the Post Arnold Terminator.
I'm really glad you liked the movie. I say this whenever someone watches the first movie, but I think it's important and it's really just neat, at least to me.
I think the movie is even more amazing when you realize that this movie had basically _no_ budget. That's why the look of the Arnold-head puppet is a bit--dodgy.
It's also important to note that time was a problem, particularly with the stop-motion segments. The Terminator skeleton puppet wasn't given to the stop-motion team until almost the very last minute, so they had less than a _quarter_ of the time to take their measurements, make a model, and film it than they should have had. As such, the stop-motion scenes aren't as great as they could have been.
The visual effects weren't particularly great, it's true, but it's not from the movie being "bad" or a "product of its time"; it's too little money and too little time.
As for the time shenanigans, well, the franchise doesn't keep it straight; how time travel "works" varies from movie to movie, sometimes even in the same movie. That aside, how it works here is pretty straightforward. It's a stable time loop, not a paradox.
Reese went back to protect Sarah because he was more or less goaded into volunteering by John, because Kyle had gone back to save his mother before he was born. So it's a time loop, but it's a "stable" loop.
It sounds weird, I know, but to make sense of it, you have to start wrapping your head around the idea that effect can precede cause. This is largely because there is no way to actually "change" anything.
What might be more difficult to wrap your head around is that free will is a myth. All actions are predetermined, based on factors that we are nearly incapable of conceiving, much less analyzing. To put it as poetically as Carl Sagan might, our destinies were decided by the atoms set in motion at the birth of the universe.
This is why time-travel "paradoxes" aren't really a problem, in general. You can't go back in time and unalive your grandfather before he met your grandmother because it didn't happen. You can't do what didn't happen.
By that same token, you can _only_ do what _did_ happen. Kyle went back and fathered John because he went back and fathered John. He couldn't _not_ do it.
Another stable time loop is that Skynet created itself by sending the terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner. The Terminator went back in time to kill Sarah, Reese went back in time to save her, and in so doing created the very problem Skynet sent the Terminator back to solve.
That aside, I'm fully on-board the "watch the sequel" train. It really is considered as good, some even consider it much better, than the first. Also, as I alluded to, it had a bigger budget and a lot more time, so everything looks positively stunning.
Everything _after_ the second movie is where the fan base breaks up into arguments and slap-fights. Everyone loves the first two, but from there on it's a mixed bag. Between a handful of movies and a television show, plots are picked up and thrown away, the physics of pretty much everything vary based on the movie or show, and in general it's--frankly, it's a mess.
Personally, I suggest to just ignore the franchise after the sequel, save for _Terminator: Dark Fate._ The movies and series get really weird, contradict each other and themselves, and generally are just a mess, as I said. _Dark Fate,_ however, was made specifically to take place after _Terminator 2: Judgment Day,_ so it thoroughly ignores all that chaos, plus it was created with direct involvement by James Cameron. Personally, I feel it's a very good third movie to follow the first two.
That said, you're going to get a lot of people arguing for or against the entire franchise, so really, it's up to you, of course.
Alllllll of that aside, if you like time travel movies, I have two to suggest: _Primer_ and _Predestination._ Both feature stable time loops, but go in somewhat different directions with them. I do suggest to look up absolutely _nothing_ about _Predestination._ There is no way to get any information without really spoiling the movie, so just make sure you have the one starring Ethan Hawke and you'll be fine.
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Glad you watched this movie. I always enjoy your reactions and analysis. Your after movie thoughts were great. I'm glad you appreciated and enjoyed the state of the art special effects cicra 1984. You being concerned about Pugsley made me think of Bizmuth. Make sure Bizmuth joins us when you watch Terminator 2. Highly recommend you watch this sequel.
Thanks again for sharing with us.
Great reaction!
Congrats on getting a job. Hope it’s really nice for you.
I’m looking forward to hopefully you reacting to all those movies you mentioned:
2010
Terminator 2
Aliens - **SPECIAL** **EDITION**
I also hope you watch the next two Indiana Jones movies:
The Temple of Doom
The Last Crusade
24:20 The answers that appear in his system are the answers he received from the people during his previous interactions, the neuron-based processor of the T800 used them to determine the "correct" answer for the given situation. In his very first interaction, he just repeated the punks' questions in declarative mode.
21:00 ..."Fashion is important to pause for when running for your life." --Wren. Perhaps no arrangement of words truer than these ma'am. If there is no fashion sense in our future world, then is it really even worth fighting for? "Come with me if you want to get a London Fog jacket at 33% off before the Summer Sale ends" was the original line from the Terminator, but it was removed from the script after the endorsement deal with the studio fell through.😎
ps. The London Fog advert is not a true story, but it could be after we invent time travel. Possibilities, possibilities.
I guess this movie was conceived as a stand-alone piece. My interpretation is that the future is set, and that the war is going to happen. The sequence of events that led to the nuclear war has no starting point due to time travel, so everything happened the way it was supposed to happen. At least until the sequels mucked it up. T2 is pretty good. I personally like this film better, but most people prefer the second film. I really like Sarah as an every-woman who has the innate ability to become a leader. And that she isn't aware of her ability until she is put in an extreme situation. That really resonated with me. Great reaction!
Hating on long credits is due to the lack of attention span now ubiquitous-It’s why people can’t learn anymore.
Thoroughly enjoy your unique perspective reactions to films I enjoy! Looking forward to the Terminator 2 reaction.
T2.... one of the best followup movies EVER! (for once the effects worked brilliantly)
Special effects don't trump a good story, however... T1 is MUCH better!
Love that you love practical effects!
The most unrealistic scene in this film is definitely the child who stuffs a scoop of ice cream into her waiter's apron...
1. Linda Hamilton ROCKED. She's really built in T2. "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" is the action movie GOAT.
2. Lance Henriksen/Vukovich, Michael Biehn/Reese and Bill Paxton/punk also played in "Aliens" as Bishop, Hicks and Hudson respectively.
3.We have limited AI now. So does China.😱😱
4. If this wasn't a movie the ammunition would not have been available on the gun shop counter.
5. Ginger's boyfriend Matt must be a lousy lay if she needs rock and roll to "rock and roll".😏
6. Watching people react to the eye operation is worth watching this all by itself.
7. THAT'S a bitch slap.😲
Never seen someone take issue with Reese's first name being "Kyle", so we have a first among Terminator reactions.
As for time paradoxes, I once read a short story (only a couple of pages) about an inventor who creates a small scale prototype time machine. The device itself doesn't travel in time, it just send items placed on it through time. He demonstrates it to some friends, first by sending a small cube into the future. Then he says something like that in ten minutes, he'll send the cube back in time five minutes, and sure enough, at the proper time, the cube appears. A friend asks what would happen if he now decided NOT to send the cube back in time, since it had already happened. He wonders if it would create a paradox. The scientist is fascinated and decides to try it. The end of the story is that the entire universe just blinked out of existence. :)
This was James Cameron's first big film. He built his fame off the success of this film. Great New Zealander accent!
You should do some reacts to Star Trek also Battlestar Galactica as well. This so iconic that movies and TV series are still being produced under the Terminator franchise even today
When Kyle talks about the photo, he says he always wondered what she was thinking. At the end, we find out she was thinking of him 😯😭
That hit me while I was editing this and I felt many emotions 😭
James Cameron was the "Stanley Kubrick´s" of 80´s". I recomend "the abyss, director´s cut". Yours most personal film.
You heard it here first. Enchanted and terminator is in the same universe
A. I. like in the movie has already started killing. Star Trek actor Anton who played the JJ Abrams reboot Chekov and a military operator. The first was while changing oil on a self driving car that chose to start on its' own shift into gear pinning the actor against his door killing him. The military one refused to accept a drill was a drill and killed its' operator when told it to stand down. This movie is a warning of what is happening now minus the time travel.
23:05 "Kyle is not a post-apocalyptic name."
What is?
Should his name be Skull Crusher?
Robot Killer?
Neo?
Lone Wanderer?
I Am Legend?
I think his parents grew up pre-apocalypse and formed their opinions of what names they want for their kids in a pre-apocalyptic world.
In fact, he's named after his maternal great-grandfather.
I'm gonna have a baby and name his Kyle so that there will be at least one Kyle when the Apocalypse comes. Hopefully, he'll survive.
Computers trusted to run things and it goes poorly? I recall back in 1968 Star Trek The original series had an episode called The Ultimate Computer in season two. where that very thing happened.
What an unexpected pleasure! Terminator set up the Franchise quotes - Come with me if you want to live, and I'll be back.
It also propelled a little known Austrian bodybuilder into film star status!
Your Enchanted simile is unusual, but yeah, I can see it! Very much a fish-out-of-water.
I love Terminator's synth soundtrack, too, very much an archetype of the genre.
Terminator 2 is a great sequel, much like Aliens, also by James Cameron and also featuring Michael Biehn (Reece). The rest of the terminator films aren't great. T3 was pretty much patt of Arnold Schwartzenegger's campaign for governor, and the others wrre clearly attempts to continue the franchise and produce product, rather than because someone wanted to tell a story.
i think the war started in 1996 if im not mistaken
If I remember from t 2 it was Aug 29 1997 was the original date of judgment day .
But various events caused it to shift
19:40 "I feel like we should have higher security for a random guy just walking in like that."
Congratulations on you never having been to a police station; you must be doing something right.
Most people who are taken into police custody end up at the station but their car does not.
So they don't have a ride.
Often, they call a friend or family member to come pick them up.
Or sometimes people walk into a police station to report a crime that they just witnessed, or were victims of.
Or sometimes lawyers or parents or other family members come to see a person in police custody.
Or sometimes lawyers come to visit clients in police custody.
Or sometimes reporters come to interview cops or persons in police custody.
Or for many other reasons, police stations have a front door and anybody can walk into the lobby.
One of more officers on duty will talk to whoever walks in and provide whatever assistance is required.
While anybody can walk into the lobby, the interior door to the rest of the police station is locked.
You need to have good reason for them to open that lock, and often an officer will be required to accompany you on whatever purpose you have behind the locked door.
Yep, that's why the terminator scans the barrier leading further into the police station and then go to use the car to break through that barrier
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There was not green screen back then. It's stop motion animation.
When stop motion animation is composited over real footage (as it is here) it *is* done via a chroma key green screen. The technique dates back to the 1940s. (Technically this film - and most of its time - used a *blue* screen, but same difference.)
Seems you didn't miss anything and nice you had fun watching like most of us did growing up. also obligatory suggestion of T2 which is arguably even more fun. the first was relatively low budget so they tried using just the upper torso of the animatronic to save moola.
All I can think of in that sex scene is how he's still going commando in the pants he took off a homeless guy in the alley.
If you enjoy paradoxes you'll love the sequel, if you want to see more of the post apocalyptic world i honestly recommend terminator salvation .....not everyone will agree.
Closed Causal Loops, such as the Predestination Paradox and the Bootstrap Paradox, which involve a self-existing time loop in which cause and effect run in a repeating circle, but is also internally consistent with the timeline’s history. Like being your own grandpa or fathering the leader of your anti-bot militia that sends you back to save his Ma and make a donation to your existence, hehe. Thanks for the reaction ma'am, you are always entertaining.😁👍
My favorite Terminator movie is Terminator Genisys it stras Arnold Schwazenegger he"s a good guy.
See terminator 2 judgement day and terminator 3 rise of the machines
I enjoyed your commentary. The Blade Runner movies would be good to react to. RoboCop would also be good, and if you want to get weird, Brazil would be interesting.
when you watch T2 watch the original theatrical cut. The later special edition adds outtakes which are superfluous and comedic elements of some of them are out of place.
My ranking:
T1 > T2 >>>>>>>>> T4 and T5 >>>>>>>>> T3 and T6
Love your sweater .
In T1, the T-800 is bad in T2, a reprogramed T-800 gose back to protect John. Do yourself a favour and stop at T2, but if you must watch T3 or Dark Fate .
If you haven't see or reacred to the following ypu might like these : blade runner,blade runner2049,the original robocop,dredd,the original miniseries for battlestar galatica '78,the origjial trilogy star wars,the ' 82 version conan w/ arnold,.
I use to like paradox timelines when I was younger too but I grew out of them despite they do make great movies using them. Logically, they never make any realistic sense because what's stopping any species from going back to the beginning when the universe was just starting to come into creation and you stop it from happening? I believe there is one immutable universal law which is, no one gets to go back in time and rearrange the deck chairs of the Titanic because those who created this universe isn't likely to allow some peon race within their creation to destroy their creation. The past is there to learn from, not to cheat life out of.
Hi Wren, I've just discovered your channel and I've subscribed :) it's great you've seen this sci-fi classic, it's amazing - as it's incredible sequel Terminator 2. Please react to that soon. Production on the first movie got put back several months, in that time director James Cameron wrote Aliens! Please react to that soon as well :)
Just found your channel.
Would love to see you react to more classic sci-fi movies!
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“Blade Runner” (1982)
The Final Cut
The Final Cut is the director’s true vision of the film.
The original theatrical cut was compromised with studio interference and is a sloppier, more dumbed down cut, that bombed when it came out.
The film took on new life with the director’s cut hitting home video.
The Final Cut is 100% the way to go. The preference of the director and fans.
Well,no worries,eventually the Terminator gets a job and a dog...Oh wait,thats in a future movie🤐
I like only the first two movies.
I was trying to place your face, first time I've seen you. Ya remind me of that dude Bunny from the movie Platoon. Dunno if ya seen that one yet.
Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor. In another movie duo is him again as Dwayne.(the rest is secret as ya haven't seen it. Yet?)
Ya could compare him to Batman's Robin or the Excalibur sword from King Arthur as he always ends up right beside the hero.
Watch T2 then Aliens then Predator 1 & 2 and maybe Robocop. Those would lead into some interesting crossovers.