I love your videos for your authenticity and honesty. However, this video made me reflect on how selfish it is to have kids if you DON'T want them... This happens a lot and now we are at a point where I think people are ok with saying that they don't want kids. And that should be enough, no explanations needed - especially for women who have always felt the pressure of this by society and culture, otherwise they might be seen as less than worthy or shamed for it. It's different if you wanted children and for some reason you couldn't - I know many couples like this and my heart feels for them, it's painful. But at the same time, my heart feels happy that it is now more acceptable to choose not to have kids if that is what someone genuinely feels. Children need loving homes and too many people in the world sadly knew that they were not wanted in the first place - including from parents who felt they "should" have kids.
i have no children and im in my 50's and honesty i can care less.. i am very happy with my life. i dont care what people think of me! i know some greeks are notorious for looking down upon to someone who never married or had no kids ..to each its own as they say , everyone is entilted to their opinion..... when i was in my 20's i really wasnt making alot of money , my parents had no money or supported me financially…i did not want my kids to suffer and struggle finacially ....plus i have my freedom, do what i want to do and have no worries about my kids doing drugs or getting invloved with the wrong crowds. alot of people i know my age that are married with kids were supported or got a head start by their parents..Today if you get married , have kids, have a 9-5 job and come from poor parents...rasing a family will be tough!!
Totally agree! I wonder why people care so much about what others do that is not hurting anyone else. There's many reasons why people don't have kids. None of my brothers do nor want to but their reasons are different than mine.
It's not like no one is talking about this. It's been a constant topic since the 90s. Various Greek governments have taken measures to encourage people to have children. The central problem is economic. Housing, wages.
Generations a lot poorer than this one had several children. So the economic argument is not a sound one in my opinion. The real issue is Greeks wanting to maintain a certain standard of living. Its the desire to maintain that standard which causes them to say "I can't afford kids." Which really means, I can't afford to live the way I want to live AND have children.
@loukas_gr Exactly look at Hungary putting real incentives in place to encourage having children. If you have 4 kids there's apparently major tax incentives in place and apparently it's bringing results.
Daniel is not crime not having kids. I'm 48 never married and no kids. Been alone is so peaceful. You don't have to live together to love someone. My place my space
Dear friend, being single or married and not having kids is not a crime, but it is a shame or krima (in Greek). My daughter also does not want children, but think ahead and see all the negativity in that - not for the country only, but especially for YOU. I am 62 and have been blessed with 3 children. Recently I had to deal with a potential health issue - all three of my children were there to support me❤ Do you understand what I'm saying?❤❤
Of course, you don't have to. You remind me of the people. that has to have a rebuttal to. everything.. Just to be heard.. You don't have to do anything. and you can sleeze away. Justifiably. because you are one person and the world will not. ever remember you. A blip in time. But if you're talking. about humanity. Your theory is nihilistic. But you're right Not everybody can be a parent. But if you're not going to continue the human species. you better leave back some legacy. because that is your duty. It's not what you take when you come to the earth. It's what you actually can contribute The laws of nature. will always find a way. find a way to restore its order Regardless of anybody's opinion. And please do not take this as disrespectful. I'm the kind of Guy. That will say this to your face. We agree. We disagree, or we fight.. physically. Thank you, father. You left your legacy. with me. My son and hopefully some grandkids.'i ellada pote then petheni'
Maybe as the economic situation improves and continues to improve, Greeks in the US, Australia, UK and other countries will be interested to come home. This would be the best solution. Poles outside Poland have been doing this. Having kids is not always in our hands as women… I wanted, however married after 40 and had endometriosis. We never made it but my husband and I love each other. I believe that it is not a case of selfishness… Importing people from the Middle East like happened in Central European countries and in Istanbul I saw, is also not the answer. I’ll come to Greece;))
Greece should be begging us Greeks abroad to come back. When I was there last year they were giving me so many problems with my legal right to have a citizenship. If they gave Greeks abroad incentive to come back to our homeland Greeks would be coming back 100%. But until all the BS bureaucracy is done many people with Greek descent won’t come back
@@georgechristakos6058 absolutely the best solution, then no cultural discrepancy! This should be an absolute priority of the Greek government! Poles are already returning from everywhere to Poland.
@georgechristakos6058 Exactly. It took me 6 years to get my citizenship. Then again, if you're a Tom Hanks kinda Greek, you can jump the line, buy it for yourself & your family, & hv the Prime Minister publicly present you with it.
Unfortunately due to biological reasons I’m unable to have kids of my own. However I’ve invested time into ensuring I do the best by my nephews and I’m Currently considering adoption. I don’t consider myself selfish at all but thanks for making me feel better 👌
There are many in the Greek diaspora who would like to move to Greece as a citizen, yet the embassies and consulates abroad are slowing the process currently. This is because there are so many currently trying to obtain their citizenship through descent. The greek government could add additional employees or employ AI to streamline this process Greece could fix some of their population issues overnight if they wished I am aware that this would create other issues for the country but it maybe needs to be looked at. 🤷
This is very true. I tried for 6 years and gave up in disgust. My father was Greek and I was trying to get my Greek citizenship. It was a bureaucratic Clusterfuck!
@@kalex888 these are the people Greece should be saying just come, you’re welcome and more than welcome. Give financial incentives to those people. If I come to Greece, I’m from a Mediterranean origin but not Greek, cannot expect the same preferences.
I am a 42-year-old single woman. At one point, I wanted to have a baby and was concerned about my biological clock and all the societal pressures that come with it. I told myself, "Okay, I'll have a baby even if it means being a single mother." But then I questioned myself-wouldn't that be selfish? A child deserves a family, at least for a certain part of their life. If I can’t provide that, I would be bringing them into the world already missing something important. Is that fair? No. Just because I don’t want to be alone, or because I fear being sick and having no one to care for me, does that justify bringing a child into the world? Again, no-it’s not fair. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have children, but that doesn’t mean life lacks meaning. Mine certainly doesn’t. Some people discover themselves through parenthood (and to be honest, some choose it as an easier path rather than seeking their true potential in other areas). But I’ve learned to make my life meaningful without being a parent. When you spoke about having children, it seemed like you were implying that people can only find their true potential and purpose after becoming parents. I think that’s a very unfair perspective. In fact, I believe that some parents, especially mothers, are unfortunately limiting themselves by solely embracing their role as a parent. Many hide behind motherhood to avoid exploring other aspects of their identity or potential. Some even give up on their careers and life goals, missing the opportunity to discover who they could become through other experiences. Everyone has a unique role in this world, whether they are parents or not. Many people who never became parents have changed the course of history in profoundly positive ways by finding their purpose outside of parenthood. You made your life meaningful through your choices, but that doesn’t give you the right to say that those who chose differently live less meaningful lives.
I have one 21 year old. Yes it’s a blessing but we did stop there and now mine doesn’t want any but that’s a decision. It was more financial. Children are extremely expensive. I’m happy we had one but the cost-of-living is so high these days we can barely get by just my wife and I and that’s including us just going to work and home. Eating only at home, no cable, just the housing and Food is very expensive. I guess the best birth control is how high the cost-of-living is, especially housing.
Greece should incentivize families financially to have children. Flooding the country with foreigners for any reason will quickly wash out the small native population deleting the last of the Hellenes. Trends can be reversed.
Well, as a Greek whose sister was a censor in the 2021 census: I wouldn't take the numbers at face value. In our area alone, we know a lot of people who were censors, but never actually bothered to record households. Like, most of my friends and most of my relatives who live outside of Athens never saw any censor or were sent the envelope with the codes to register themselves. There's been a decline, but we don't know how many less we are. Simply because our population isn't fully recorded. That's a bit of insider info, but I wanted to share.
To those who are still young enough to have a kid... Kids are blessing. There's no point trying to explain someone who doesn't have kids what it's like to have one. When I was in my 20s, I hated kids and was considering not to have one at all. But now, I finally understand what my elder friends were trying to explain to me. Kids are so much more rewarding than anything. No travelling or career or hobby or dogs and cats can replace it.
I'm a 62yo Greek-American woman who chose not to have children. And with all due respect, my parents' decision to have children was theirs, and just because they chose to have children, didn't and SHOULDN'T obligate me to do the same. In addition, not all people who have children should have children, and the world is riddled with evidence to that effect. Finally, fwiw, although I have many regrets, not having children is definitely NOT one of them. To each their own, my friend.
He is stating his opinion on a real crisis with valid reasons. You’re taking it personal without any insight on why you dont have children. I’m sure you have your own reason, however, there’s a lot of people on the fence on having kids and persuading them as a father is a beautiful gesture. Do t take it personal unless you are upset with your decision. He specifically said “in my humble opinion”
@@eliassays He did. And his post is absolutely timely and relevant. And, fwiw, I didn't comment out of anger or upset but only meant to share my perspective, as I, too, understand that my opinion is ONLY that: my humble opinion. And now that we've cleared that up, let me say that I LOVE Daniel's channel and think he is doing a great service to Greece and to the Greek people. And what I love most: his passion, his depth, that he accepts all comments & points of view, and when he disagrees, he does so thoughtfully and respectfully. He's definitely a class act. The end. 💙
I have 3 half Greek-half American kids. We’re trying for a 4th. People think it’s so hard to rear children, but only the first couple years are difficult. It takes a village, and the older folks can teach you so much in the way of culture/cooking/child raising methods.
Let me come to Greece as a digital nomad (I am Greek Australia), I'll pay my tax on $200K+ a year and bring a young family with me. But I am not coming if; a) I get doubled taxed (by BOTH Australia and Greece) and b) if I get thrown in the army.
@@xpictos777 no one is going to throw you in the army, don't be silly You pay the equivalent of 6 months of service and go to boot camp for 40 days to learn how to parade for the day of your citizen's oath Where you get so wrong info from????? Just ask a layer
Greece needs to have the equivalent of an ascent-like program for expats, or 2nd and 3rd generation born outside of Greece. A program that includes some benefits, language and other cultural programs. Reverse the huge outward web a bit. Say for 25 years. Let them settle and re-populate the country. Come on. Isn't the solution obvious? But the paperwork and exisiting bureaucracy is bad. It would have to be fixed or at least such a program would need to be well thought out.
This is a great video Daniel. I like how you share your principles such as pursuing an authentic purpose in life and the value of family. This provides guidance to younger people like me, thank you.
Why is it bad not to have children? Some people like myself inherited health problems from their parents, sorry but I don't have the courage to go through this again as a parent myself. Nor am I willing to go "back to school-frontistirio-baleto-soccer" etc. Enough, I want peace in my life. The pension system was already in tatters, my generation sort of knew since the mid 1990s that we'd be lucky if we ever get a pension. Automation and AI is going to vanish at least 60% of the current jobs, on IT it's going to be 90%! How am I going to feed myself, let alone a family? By going back to the "chorio" and live a life like in the 1950s-1960s?
Another great video Daniel, it's a bold topic and it's worth talking about. I honestly believe there was a shortsighted plan put in place to convince people being dedicated to a career was more important than having a family and it has brought us here. Anyhow I've been in Nafplio since yesterday and I'm really enjoying myself here, cheers!
I’m a senior living in SW Florida for more than 11 years now. When I first bought my house I had mid 20 yr old, married couples on both sides of me already living and working, each couple owning their own homes. Directly across the street is another married couple, now at least 30 yrs old, who had a new home built 6 years ago. NONE of these neighbors have any children, none. 2 couples are probably too old and the 3rd getting there. A big part of this problem happened in the 60’s when women on a large scale were encouraged to persue their own careers and brought into the workforce, no longer paying one parent a livable family wage on a single income. Reducing a worker’s salary by half has paid the rich very well indeed. Greed and breakdown of our nation’s moral law has destroyed our Republic, it’s over.
Hi Mate you missing the point. Most men do not choose to not have children - simply we don't want to start family with midlife partner - and seems nowdays women kind of delay timeline in which they want to start family until mid 30's - which (36 here not Greek - but well situation is universal in whole western world) is little to late to build life together. Tried twice (srsly - twice - engaged and all - and I'm in 10% european earners, good looking etc. - but partners were.... just sad... I was open from the start that I date to have family - they wanted to save the planet (srsly - that was argument - global climate change)) and to be honest my last partner wake up now (1 year after we broke) but well she is 34, it's 2 years too late, I'm in asia traveling the world and looking for my luck on the way - want 3+ children - only chance is to find 10 years younger women - so as a logical beast I moved to countries where such age difference is widely accepted (10/15 years). Modern women in Europe are just like in USA women are trained to not have children until it's almost too late - and it's just sad - because i 100% agree with you - money is never the issue - children are giving fire to fight for - you have somebody to fight for - so money - money you can always get - children only until certain age - people forget that. I meet many, many europeans (some greeks also) here that... simply are doing same things I'm doing - are tired of european culture - and want to try somewhere else (well logical choice after 10+ years of trying to build something with somebody) good earners, intelligent people, some really rich - it's sad that Europe is exporting a lot of young smart people that want to have family - but it is what it is. And they are done with this crazy situation in Europe. It will boom in our face in 20 years once retirement schemes will go down - in all EU countries. Still - in my family only my sister and brother was lucky with partners - to my brother I bought a house once first one was born 2 years ago - I was so happy for this slighly older bastard that I wanted to help them. :) Life without family do not have any sense. Happy for you!
We delay, true, but if I think that my mother didn't have any choice, same with her mom and so on, well, yes, I d rather wait for the right person and timing. Good luck to both if us;)
Nicely said, human words indeed, but unfortunately out of the greek context, I'm afraid. There is nothing like having lost your work, not being able to find a new one and having no means to raise your family - stressed, compressed and thrown out. Words can not even describe it effectively. Even if you do not have a family, the daily stress to get the necessary for oneself was even burdened by the capital controls and the 10-years recession that deindustrialised the country. Not to mention the lack of meritocracy on the hunt of a decent job. A 10-years period is a whole generation to consider, which chose either to follow their dreams and emigrate in search of better living standards or stay in the country and deal with whatever in an often very toxic environment. I also don't get why the greek population should be higher. Should the country be builded from corner to corner? Or is it just a matter of national security if we consider neighbouring birth-thriving - often religious driven - ravenous countries? The question is whether we want less and well-being or more and unbearable and it is surely dependent on the natural resources. I think the answer is somewhere in between. To make things short, apart from the great inner need to evolve on human terms, there has never been an effective plan by the governments that have ruled the country to feel the needs and help the citizens to this end. All measures taken were only short-term and the role of the newly appointed minister for Family and Social Cohesion is just a decorative one. We're just for laughters and tears. After all, Greece since the ancient times has been expert in Drama (Comedy and Tragedy).
Nice video. You are in the right country Greece to have kids. In Greece they 'eat' their children. Not having kids as a couple in Greece is in general regarded as odd.
I'm 42 and never had kids. Never really wanted to. My brothers are the same way. I have one cousin who can carry on our name but it's not that big of a deal.
Economics may have a lot to do with it and the phenomenon appears to be global, affecting the industrially developed countries the most. Low wages, cost of housing and the inflationary increased cost of living is making it harder for young people even to consider having children and raising a family....
The reality is that most western countries all over the world will face this problem with in this decade Having said that the main issue in Greece is housing and wages add to it almost no support to women - especially unmarried For some will be difficult to get pregnant in the first place, with Fertility issues being ridiculously expensive to tackle.. Ps i really hope that me and my wife will get blessed with a kid Because kids are BLESSING
❤For me, Daniel is absolutely correct. I'm also a 62 year old Greek-American happily married and have three adult children. It was a conscious decision, I was a teacher of English till June and I love children. While each person has the right to choose whether or not they have children, not having children carries grave consequences for the individual as well as the country. 😢❤
Please accept this from me: not having children is a disengagement from life itself. I also waited and waited to complete my education, to become a successful lawyer, to get a house, to become economically independent and now, I am an old man and it is much too late. I missed the boat and its never coming back. It truly is my greatest regret. Also, I cant help thinking that to be childless is an insult to all our ancestors who struggled and suffered profoundly so that we, you and I, can be here today. It is like telling all of them that everything that they went through was worth nothing; that it was meaningless. Do not make the irreversible mistake that I have made. Please.
i do want kids but disagree that there is a one solution that fits all. fear mongering by business owners is just them being afraid to lose cheap labor
@@maniatisastrong that's my point They don't care if you or me going to have children because they can import as much cheap labor as they need, so our friend's above point is invalid, they simply don't need us, so it's not like lower birthrates are going to solve the problem Or " scare" them Having children or not is each individual's choice but thinking that everything must be picture perfect before making your move is a falacity..
birth rates thoughout history has gone up and down. with the population now descreasing many places, eventually housing will get cheaper and then there might be a bit of a baby boom
@@alvegutt42 the original baby boom didn't had anything to do with housing Most boomers-especially in Greece grew up in a wasteland It's a matter of mentality In the late 40s people hoped to a better future Now days we're full of doomers
I am about to become a father early next year. I can't wait! @MyGreekLifestyle I already see your point and wish my wife and I had our first kid several years ago. For those who have found your other half and want to have kids: do not postpone it! You never know how easy or quickly it will be to get pregnant. There are tons of factors at play and which each passing year it might get more difficult. Bless you all!
There can are many reasons people don’t have children. Some people are not able to conceive and some never even tried because of circumstances that they couldn’t have any impact on. When you bring children to this world you have to be very mindful. I always say that even donkey’s can have kids. Not everyone is worth or suitable to have children.
Daniel- this is your channel so of course you can say whatever you want. But I felt this video was all about you pushing your ideas about parenthood on other people. It was extremely off putting for me. It’s not my responsibility to have children if I don’t want them. It’s not my responsibility to keep a “country alive.”
This is probably my favorite video of yours. I believe I've become a better person once I had a family. My life has become more meaningful and I am happier today than I was before having a family. I wasn't ready for a family in my twenties, but that's because I had no money and lacked purpose. I now consider myself at that point in my life as a loser. I've noticed many older people regret not having children. Some people can be selfish and would rather live a hedonistic lifestyle instead.of having.any responsibilities. It's unfortunate that they will never experience the joys that come with having children. It's not easy raising kids, but it can be very rewarding. Greece has to be careful on the type of immigrants it brings. Having people come with a very different culture/religion can be toxic to the society. Just look at what's happening in all of the Western nations with immigrants not assimilating. There may be an opportunity to bring Canadian Greeks to Greece as Canada has become unaffordable and not as great of a place to live as it used to be. Jordan Peterson gives great advice.
Greece needs to be careful about the type of immigrants it brings 🤔 Yet Greece will happily take tourists spending money during the holiday season 🤔 I wonder how long it’d take for them to beg immigrants regardless of culture/religion to step in if that all stopped because apparently their economy is great 😂 Wow. Region/cultures can be toxic? Hmm. To think an uneducated racist like you is bringing kids into the world puts me off of the idea altogether 🤮 Grow up.
Thank you Daniel my friend for your perspective. It is important to be exposed to different perspectives which I feel could help to educate some people. The truth remains that life is too expensive since 2022 to have just one child let alone 2 or 3. My wife and I will have to reflect soon enough. But it is good to be exposed to your perspective so thank you. Keep up the good work!
I'm half biellese italian from father and wish to live my summer s in the alps back to old school family life corporate America is making me feel physically ill
Sorry, Michelangelo, Plato, Sir Isaac Newton, Vincent Van Gogh, Oprah Winfrey, etc, etc, you are immature. Your statement that people are not mature until they have children is infantile. Grow up, you’re not a child anymore.
I like your videos but this is not Like in the header. You want to talk about Greek crisis but only talk about everybody should have kids. You should look why people don’t have kids and what to do against.
When we have children,we work so hard we don’t have time to enjoy quality time with them.With the grandchildren though it’s another story.Memories come back,and you stop everything just to be with them.
It must not have been a problem at all if you ended up having one. People have their own reasons for not wanting kids but if they do decide to it must have not been really that big of a deal to change their mind unless of courses the baby is unplanned.
Bravo.! This is your best post yet. at least for me. 65 years old. And I took my first breath. When my son was born. and I took my second breath. when my dad died. because my son basically saved my life from turbulence. That could have been. He gave me meaning. above myself. which made me stronger and more Focused. It brought out the best in me.. this. second breath I took. is when my dominating father. World War Two vet. Let's just say the ultimate Maga. Let's just say the. ultimate mangga! kicked ash and took names. as much as I rebelled against him. I have become him. And by His passing. I took my second breath. To continue his legacy. the generation where the handshake was stronger than the pen Where philotemo Was mentioned in every paragraph. I blame everything on modern education. And it shifts to. politics rather than preparation for life. Media propaganda. Internet. Western universities.. Where they teach you to be selfish. where they teach you. these lies about overpopulation.. I tend to spread not only my last name. but the Greek legacy. Our ancestors fought so hard for. otherwise. the Arabs and the Muslims will take over. because they have always. put family as the forefront. which is congruent. with the laws of nature.. Critical theory. brought over by people like Mancuzzo. is rampant. in our educational system. Even if you don't believe in God. there is universal truth to sin. Every religion has it. We must come back to our moral values and families. and family structure. Otherwise we will self extinct. or wake up every morning. singing. Allah Akbar.! And I am not degrading. the Muslims. I'm actually quite envious. But I was born Greek Orthodox. like markos botsaris.athanasios diakos And my personal favorites katsantonis! who killed veli gekas I actually went to the river that. he leaped to avoid Turks. And when they tried to leap it they drowned. He was my personal hero. Well, it helps that his name was antonis also
For those that want to have children it is often unaffordable. So if Greece wants to solve this make it affordable through reduced taxation and or baby bonuses.
Brother, I'm not gonna give you a hard time.! you. just summed up everything I was trying to say. without being the overwhelming. alpha male that I am. Lol.
I can tell you right now. growing up in the 60s and 70s was the rise of the me generation. The motto was never trust anybody over 40. They wanted to live forever. not knowing. that different stages in life. are meant. for certain types of evolution. Throwing the exception out. It's OK if you want to argue. and maybe the ones that don't want kids don't deserve. this luxury. because kids are good luck. through their children. You will. find the strength to be a better person of you. And Jordan Peterson is right. You really, really never mature. until you have kids. I didn't want to have kids. I was the perpetual teenager. Driving fast cars, drinking beer and chasing girls. and getting into fights. on the weekend. And if I could. drink at a club Meet a girl and get into a fight I became all my friends heroes. But guess what? I also used to wear diapers. and I outgrew them. I went to college It couldn't wait to get out at the end. Happiness. is giving the most miserable people I know. are the richest people. They're the ones that create problems. because they have nothing to strive for. Except more money. Consumerism and materialism. is. the modern day god
"If your parents decided to not have kids, you wouldn't be here." Exactly. I, for one, say it all the time. Your life is a gift offered to you, and you have the obligation, as long as you can from a medical and mental perspective, to really consider offering this invaluable gift too by bringing another existence to the world.
This has been a great conversation for me. And I'm not apologizing. or worrying about Hurting feelings.. I am speaking universal. truth and how we can solve this problem. Of course, everybody's going to have their exception. But is this? nihilistic approach. to not having kids A solution to a big problem. or a nihilistic. and hedonistic view.. But whatever you do, brothers and sisters. you're here to leave something behind. Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask. what you can do for your country. A quote from. John F Kennedy.
Right. And there are many, many ways to "leave something behind" including having children or not having them but positively influencing children who may not be yours.
Today, the reasons for increasing population are wrong. Just because we live in a system that constantly demands an increase in the use of resources and GDP, while demanding covering retirement benefits, doesn't mean we have to rely on population increase indefinitely. Maybe this new reality will force us to change, maybe accepting more immigration, training, ai, who knows. But asking for more people to keep up with the madness is irresponsible.
That I will totally agree with. I've lived in United States all my life. And like every. dynasty before it. except the Byzantine. and maybe the Ottoman. lasted only 250 years. Guess how old United States is?? 250 years old.
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I love your videos for your authenticity and honesty. However, this video made me reflect on how selfish it is to have kids if you DON'T want them... This happens a lot and now we are at a point where I think people are ok with saying that they don't want kids. And that should be enough, no explanations needed - especially for women who have always felt the pressure of this by society and culture, otherwise they might be seen as less than worthy or shamed for it. It's different if you wanted children and for some reason you couldn't - I know many couples like this and my heart feels for them, it's painful. But at the same time, my heart feels happy that it is now more acceptable to choose not to have kids if that is what someone genuinely feels. Children need loving homes and too many people in the world sadly knew that they were not wanted in the first place - including from parents who felt they "should" have kids.
i have no children and im in my 50's and honesty i can care less.. i am very happy with my life. i dont care what people think of me! i know some greeks are notorious for looking down upon to someone who never married or had no kids ..to each its own as they say , everyone is entilted to their opinion..... when i was in my 20's i really wasnt making alot of money , my parents had no money or supported me financially…i did not want my kids to suffer and struggle finacially ....plus i have my freedom, do what i want to do and have no worries about my kids doing drugs or getting invloved with the wrong crowds. alot of people i know my age that are married with kids were supported or got a head start by their parents..Today if you get married , have kids, have a 9-5 job and come from poor parents...rasing a family will be tough!!
Totally agree! I wonder why people care so much about what others do that is not hurting anyone else. There's many reasons why people don't have kids. None of my brothers do nor want to but their reasons are different than mine.
Obviously, this video wasn't meant for people who share your opinion.
It's not like no one is talking about this. It's been a constant topic since the 90s. Various Greek governments have taken measures to encourage people to have children. The central problem is economic. Housing, wages.
Watch birth gap documentary
.. and wars, climate changes, violence ..
Generations a lot poorer than this one had several children. So the economic argument is not a sound one in my opinion. The real issue is Greeks wanting to maintain a certain standard of living. Its the desire to maintain that standard which causes them to say "I can't afford kids." Which really means, I can't afford to live the way I want to live AND have children.
The Greek governments encourage to have kids, but only in words... no real policy to help people raise a family in the country.
@loukas_gr Exactly look at Hungary putting real incentives in place to encourage having children. If you have 4 kids there's apparently major tax incentives in place and apparently it's bringing results.
Daniel is not crime not having kids. I'm 48 never married and no kids. Been alone is so peaceful. You don't have to live together to love someone. My place my space
Dear friend, being single or married and not having kids is not a crime, but it is a shame or krima (in Greek). My daughter also does not want children, but think ahead and see all the negativity in that - not for the country only, but especially for YOU.
I am 62 and have been blessed with 3 children. Recently I had to deal with a potential health issue - all three of my children were there to support me❤ Do you understand what I'm saying?❤❤
Of course, you don't have to. You remind me of the people. that has to have a rebuttal to. everything.. Just to be heard.. You don't have to do anything. and you can sleeze away. Justifiably. because you are one person and the world will not. ever remember you. A blip in time. But if you're talking. about humanity. Your theory is nihilistic. But you're right Not everybody can be a parent. But if you're not going to continue the human species. you better leave back some legacy. because that is your duty. It's not what you take when you come to the earth. It's what you actually can contribute The laws of nature. will always find a way. find a way to restore its order Regardless of anybody's opinion. And please do not take this as disrespectful. I'm the kind of Guy. That will say this to your face. We agree. We disagree, or we fight.. physically. Thank you, father. You left your legacy. with me. My son and hopefully some grandkids.'i ellada pote then petheni'
What will you do when you are even older, lying in hospital with no one to come by, say hi, take care of you?
@@ch1ckenphat514 there's people that have kids and still die alone in the hospital
Thanks for your useful input to our civilization 😅
Maybe as the economic situation improves and continues to improve, Greeks in the US, Australia, UK and other countries will be interested to come home. This would be the best solution. Poles outside Poland have been doing this. Having kids is not always in our hands as women… I wanted, however married after 40 and had endometriosis. We never made it but my husband and I love each other. I believe that it is not a case of selfishness… Importing people from the Middle East like happened in Central European countries and in Istanbul I saw, is also not the answer. I’ll come to Greece;))
Greece should be begging us Greeks abroad to come back. When I was there last year they were giving me so many problems with my legal right to have a citizenship. If they gave Greeks abroad incentive to come back to our homeland Greeks would be coming back 100%. But until all the BS bureaucracy is done many people with Greek descent won’t come back
@@georgechristakos6058 absolutely the best solution, then no cultural discrepancy! This should be an absolute priority of the Greek government! Poles are already returning from everywhere to Poland.
Why would you go back? What economic future is Greece going to give us?
@georgechristakos6058 Exactly. It took me 6 years to get my citizenship. Then again, if you're a Tom Hanks kinda Greek, you can jump the line, buy it for yourself & your family, & hv the Prime Minister publicly present you with it.
@@maniatisastrong so true.
I have dual nationality and im not going back. I dont wanna die of heat stroke or work 6 days a week.
Unfortunately due to biological reasons I’m unable to have kids of my own. However I’ve invested time into ensuring I do the best by my nephews and I’m
Currently considering adoption. I don’t consider myself selfish at all but thanks for making me feel better 👌
There are many in the Greek diaspora who would like to move to Greece as a citizen, yet the embassies and consulates abroad are slowing the process currently.
This is because there are so many currently trying to obtain their citizenship through descent. The greek government could add additional employees or employ AI to streamline this process
Greece could fix some of their population issues overnight if they wished
I am aware that this would create other issues for the country but it maybe needs to be looked at. 🤷
This is very true. I tried for 6 years and gave up in disgust. My father was Greek and I was trying to get my Greek citizenship. It was a bureaucratic Clusterfuck!
@@kalex888 these are the people Greece should be saying just come, you’re welcome and more than welcome. Give financial incentives to those people. If I come to Greece, I’m from a Mediterranean origin but not Greek, cannot expect the same preferences.
@@carolinematta5764 I agree with you. It shouldn't take so long and it should be easy for Greece if they wanted to move forward with this type of plan
Greece needs young people, not people who are 5 years off retirement.
@@zeus-ow8li agreed and most of the people applying for citizenship are young including myself.
I am a 42-year-old single woman. At one point, I wanted to have a baby and was concerned about my biological clock and all the societal pressures that come with it. I told myself, "Okay, I'll have a baby even if it means being a single mother." But then I questioned myself-wouldn't that be selfish? A child deserves a family, at least for a certain part of their life. If I can’t provide that, I would be bringing them into the world already missing something important. Is that fair? No. Just because I don’t want to be alone, or because I fear being sick and having no one to care for me, does that justify bringing a child into the world? Again, no-it’s not fair.
Not everyone is fortunate enough to have children, but that doesn’t mean life lacks meaning. Mine certainly doesn’t. Some people discover themselves through parenthood (and to be honest, some choose it as an easier path rather than seeking their true potential in other areas). But I’ve learned to make my life meaningful without being a parent.
When you spoke about having children, it seemed like you were implying that people can only find their true potential and purpose after becoming parents. I think that’s a very unfair perspective. In fact, I believe that some parents, especially mothers, are unfortunately limiting themselves by solely embracing their role as a parent. Many hide behind motherhood to avoid exploring other aspects of their identity or potential. Some even give up on their careers and life goals, missing the opportunity to discover who they could become through other experiences.
Everyone has a unique role in this world, whether they are parents or not. Many people who never became parents have changed the course of history in profoundly positive ways by finding their purpose outside of parenthood. You made your life meaningful through your choices, but that doesn’t give you the right to say that those who chose differently live less meaningful lives.
@@didembalaban9132 everyone has a unique role in this world … absolutely true!
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I have one 21 year old. Yes it’s a blessing but we did stop there and now mine doesn’t want any but that’s a decision. It was more financial. Children are extremely expensive. I’m happy we had one but the cost-of-living is so high these days we can barely get by just my wife and I and that’s including us just going to work and home. Eating only at home, no cable, just the housing and Food is very expensive. I guess the best birth control is how high the cost-of-living is, especially housing.
Greece should incentivize families financially to have children. Flooding the country with foreigners for any reason will quickly wash out the small native population deleting the last of the Hellenes. Trends can be reversed.
Greece has millions abroad. Relatively young people. They need the Israeli model of repopulation. Repatriate them. If need be with foreign spouses.
Well, as a Greek whose sister was a censor in the 2021 census: I wouldn't take the numbers at face value. In our area alone, we know a lot of people who were censors, but never actually bothered to record households. Like, most of my friends and most of my relatives who live outside of Athens never saw any censor or were sent the envelope with the codes to register themselves.
There's been a decline, but we don't know how many less we are. Simply because our population isn't fully recorded.
That's a bit of insider info, but I wanted to share.
To those who are still young enough to have a kid...
Kids are blessing. There's no point trying to explain someone who doesn't have kids what it's like to have one. When I was in my 20s, I hated kids and was considering not to have one at all. But now, I finally understand what my elder friends were trying to explain to me. Kids are so much more rewarding than anything. No travelling or career or hobby or dogs and cats can replace it.
It is all about economics...
A serious government should take serious action.
Period.😔😔
I'm a 62yo Greek-American woman who chose not to have children. And with all due respect, my parents' decision to have children was theirs, and just because they chose to have children, didn't and SHOULDN'T obligate me to do the same. In addition, not all people who have children should have children, and the world is riddled with evidence to that effect. Finally, fwiw, although I have many regrets, not having children is definitely NOT one of them.
To each their own, my friend.
He is stating his opinion on a real crisis with valid reasons. You’re taking it personal without any insight on why you dont have children. I’m sure you have your own reason, however, there’s a lot of people on the fence on having kids and persuading them as a father is a beautiful gesture. Do t take it personal unless you are upset with your decision. He specifically said “in my humble opinion”
@@eliassays He did. And his post is absolutely timely and relevant. And, fwiw, I didn't comment out of anger or upset but only meant to share my perspective, as I, too, understand that my opinion is ONLY that: my humble opinion.
And now that we've cleared that up, let me say that I LOVE Daniel's channel and think he is doing a great service to Greece and to the Greek people. And what I love most: his passion, his depth, that he accepts all comments & points of view, and when he disagrees, he does so thoughtfully and respectfully.
He's definitely a class act. The end. 💙
@@maniatisastrong well said and I agree. Enjoy your day
Well its moot. The ship has sailed.
@andrewkjones2205 Thanks for ur insightful comment...😝
I have 3 half Greek-half American kids. We’re trying for a 4th. People think it’s so hard to rear children, but only the first couple years are difficult. It takes a village, and the older folks can teach you so much in the way of culture/cooking/child raising methods.
I'm a dog groomer and work as a cashier in a major chain pet store. I can tell you people are choosing to have a dog instead of a kid.
Let me come to Greece as a digital nomad (I am Greek Australia), I'll pay my tax on $200K+ a year and bring a young family with me. But I am not coming if; a) I get doubled taxed (by BOTH Australia and Greece) and b) if I get thrown in the army.
@@xpictos777 no one is going to throw you in the army, don't be silly
You pay the equivalent of 6 months of service and go to boot camp for 40 days to learn how to parade for the day of your citizen's oath
Where you get so wrong info from?????
Just ask a layer
Greece needs to have the equivalent of an ascent-like program for expats, or 2nd and 3rd generation born outside of Greece. A program that includes some benefits, language and other cultural programs. Reverse the huge outward web a bit. Say for 25 years. Let them settle and re-populate the country. Come on. Isn't the solution obvious? But the paperwork and exisiting bureaucracy is bad. It would have to be fixed or at least such a program would need to be well thought out.
This is a great video Daniel. I like how you share your principles such as pursuing an authentic purpose in life and the value of family. This provides guidance to younger people like me, thank you.
Why is it bad not to have children? Some people like myself inherited health problems from their parents, sorry but I don't have the courage to go through this again as a parent myself. Nor am I willing to go "back to school-frontistirio-baleto-soccer" etc. Enough, I want peace in my life.
The pension system was already in tatters, my generation sort of knew since the mid 1990s that we'd be lucky if we ever get a pension. Automation and AI is going to vanish at least 60% of the current jobs, on IT it's going to be 90%! How am I going to feed myself, let alone a family? By going back to the "chorio" and live a life like in the 1950s-1960s?
Very true! I am re-educating as the pension system will be non existent but at least I’ll work independently.
you’re so inspiring
im with you Daniel 👍 and my thinking was exactly like yours as a single man. and then having a kid at 35 too... if only i did that 10 years earlier.
Another great video Daniel, it's a bold topic and it's worth talking about. I honestly believe there was a shortsighted plan put in place to convince people being dedicated to a career was more important than having a family and it has brought us here.
Anyhow I've been in Nafplio since yesterday and I'm really enjoying myself here, cheers!
I’m a senior living in SW Florida for more than 11 years now. When I first bought my house I had mid 20 yr old, married couples on both sides of me already living and working, each couple owning their own homes. Directly across the street is another married couple, now at least 30 yrs old, who had a new home built 6 years ago. NONE of these neighbors have any children, none. 2 couples are probably too old and the 3rd getting there. A big part of this problem happened in the 60’s when women on a large scale were encouraged to persue their own careers and brought into the workforce, no longer paying one parent a livable family wage on a single income. Reducing a worker’s salary by half has paid the rich very well indeed. Greed and breakdown of our nation’s moral law has destroyed our Republic, it’s over.
Hi Mate you missing the point. Most men do not choose to not have children - simply we don't want to start family with midlife partner - and seems nowdays women kind of delay timeline in which they want to start family until mid 30's - which (36 here not Greek - but well situation is universal in whole western world) is little to late to build life together. Tried twice (srsly - twice - engaged and all - and I'm in 10% european earners, good looking etc. - but partners were.... just sad... I was open from the start that I date to have family - they wanted to save the planet (srsly - that was argument - global climate change)) and to be honest my last partner wake up now (1 year after we broke) but well she is 34, it's 2 years too late, I'm in asia traveling the world and looking for my luck on the way - want 3+ children - only chance is to find 10 years younger women - so as a logical beast I moved to countries where such age difference is widely accepted (10/15 years). Modern women in Europe are just like in USA women are trained to not have children until it's almost too late - and it's just sad - because i 100% agree with you - money is never the issue - children are giving fire to fight for - you have somebody to fight for - so money - money you can always get - children only until certain age - people forget that. I meet many, many europeans (some greeks also) here that... simply are doing same things I'm doing - are tired of european culture - and want to try somewhere else (well logical choice after 10+ years of trying to build something with somebody) good earners, intelligent people, some really rich - it's sad that Europe is exporting a lot of young smart people that want to have family - but it is what it is. And they are done with this crazy situation in Europe. It will boom in our face in 20 years once retirement schemes will go down - in all EU countries. Still - in my family only my sister and brother was lucky with partners - to my brother I bought a house once first one was born 2 years ago - I was so happy for this slighly older bastard that I wanted to help them. :) Life without family do not have any sense. Happy for you!
We delay, true, but if I think that my mother didn't have any choice, same with her mom and so on, well, yes, I d rather wait for the right person and timing. Good luck to both if us;)
Nicely said, human words indeed, but unfortunately out of the greek context, I'm afraid. There is nothing like having lost your work, not being able to find a new one and having no means to raise your family - stressed, compressed and thrown out. Words can not even describe it effectively. Even if you do not have a family, the daily stress to get the necessary for oneself was even burdened by the capital controls and the 10-years recession that deindustrialised the country. Not to mention the lack of meritocracy on the hunt of a decent job.
A 10-years period is a whole generation to consider, which chose either to follow their dreams and emigrate in search of better living standards or stay in the country and deal with whatever in an often very toxic environment.
I also don't get why the greek population should be higher. Should the country be builded from corner to corner? Or is it just a matter of national security if we consider neighbouring birth-thriving - often religious driven - ravenous countries?
The question is whether we want less and well-being or more and unbearable and it is surely dependent on the natural resources. I think the answer is somewhere in between.
To make things short, apart from the great inner need to evolve on human terms, there has never been an effective plan by the governments that have ruled the country to feel the needs and help the citizens to this end. All measures taken were only short-term and the role of the newly appointed minister for Family and Social Cohesion is just a decorative one.
We're just for laughters and tears. After all, Greece since the ancient times has been expert in Drama (Comedy and Tragedy).
Nice video. You are in the right country Greece to have kids. In Greece they 'eat' their children. Not having kids as a couple in Greece is in general regarded as odd.
I'm 42 and never had kids. Never really wanted to. My brothers are the same way. I have one cousin who can carry on our name but it's not that big of a deal.
Economics may have a lot to do with it and the phenomenon appears to be global, affecting the industrially developed countries the most. Low wages, cost of housing and the inflationary increased cost of living is making it harder for young people even to consider having children and raising a family....
The reality is that most western countries all over the world will face this problem with in this decade
Having said that the main issue in Greece is housing and wages add to it almost no support to women - especially unmarried
For some will be difficult to get pregnant in the first place, with Fertility issues being ridiculously expensive to tackle..
Ps i really hope that me and my wife will get blessed with a kid
Because kids are BLESSING
❤For me, Daniel is absolutely correct. I'm also a 62 year old Greek-American happily married and have three adult children. It was a conscious decision, I was a teacher of English till June and I love children. While each person has the right to choose whether or not they have children, not having children carries grave consequences for the individual as well as the country. 😢❤
Please accept this from me: not having children is a disengagement from life itself. I also waited and waited to complete my education, to become a successful lawyer, to get a house, to become economically independent and now, I am an old man and it is much too late. I missed the boat and its never coming back. It truly is my greatest regret.
Also, I cant help thinking that to be childless is an insult to all our ancestors who struggled and suffered profoundly so that we, you and I, can be here today. It is like telling all of them that everything that they went through was worth nothing; that it was meaningless. Do not make the irreversible mistake that I have made. Please.
Adopt an orphan and stop whining
i do want kids but disagree that there is a one solution that fits all. fear mongering by business owners is just them being afraid to lose cheap labor
If all the issue is cheap workforce they can just import a million people from central Asia and call it a day
The problem is deeper
@@Pavlos_Charalambous And they're doing that anyway, so....
@@maniatisastrong that's my point
They don't care if you or me going to have children because they can import as much cheap labor as they need, so our friend's above point is invalid, they simply don't need us, so it's not like lower birthrates are going to solve the problem
Or " scare" them
Having children or not is each individual's choice but thinking that everything must be picture perfect before making your move is a falacity..
birth rates thoughout history has gone up and down. with the population now descreasing many places, eventually housing will get cheaper and then there might be a bit of a baby boom
@@alvegutt42 the original baby boom didn't had anything to do with housing
Most boomers-especially in Greece grew up in a wasteland
It's a matter of mentality
In the late 40s people hoped to a better future
Now days we're full of doomers
I don’t think that is the problem. Welfare recipients in the WEST have kids all the time. They have no homes.
I am about to become a father early next year. I can't wait! @MyGreekLifestyle I already see your point and wish my wife and I had our first kid several years ago.
For those who have found your other half and want to have kids: do not postpone it! You never know how easy or quickly it will be to get pregnant. There are tons of factors at play and which each passing year it might get more difficult.
Bless you all!
There can are many reasons people don’t have children. Some people are not able to conceive and some never even tried because of circumstances that they couldn’t have any impact on.
When you bring children to this world you have to be very mindful. I always say that even donkey’s can have kids. Not everyone is worth or suitable to have children.
The Black Plaque wiped out 33% of people Europe. Last I checked, its still there.
Daniel- this is your channel so of course you can say whatever you want. But I felt this video was all about you pushing your ideas about parenthood on other people. It was extremely off putting for me. It’s not my responsibility to have children if I don’t want them. It’s not my responsibility to keep a “country alive.”
This is probably my favorite video of yours. I believe I've become a better person once I had a family. My life has become more meaningful and I am happier today than I was before having a family. I wasn't ready for a family in my twenties, but that's because I had no money and lacked purpose. I now consider myself at that point in my life as a loser.
I've noticed many older people regret not having children. Some people can be selfish and would rather live a hedonistic lifestyle instead.of having.any responsibilities. It's unfortunate that they will never experience the joys that come with having children. It's not easy raising kids, but it can be very rewarding.
Greece has to be careful on the type of immigrants it brings. Having people come with a very different culture/religion can be toxic to the society. Just look at what's happening in all of the Western nations with immigrants not assimilating.
There may be an opportunity to bring Canadian Greeks to Greece as Canada has become unaffordable and not as great of a place to live as it used to be.
Jordan Peterson gives great advice.
Greece needs to be careful about the type of immigrants it brings 🤔
Yet Greece will happily take tourists spending money during the holiday season 🤔 I wonder how long it’d take for them to beg immigrants regardless of culture/religion to step in if that all stopped because apparently their economy is great 😂
Wow. Region/cultures can be toxic? Hmm. To think an uneducated racist like you is bringing kids into the world puts me off of the idea altogether 🤮
Grow up.
Terrible regret at 68. Nothing no-one. No grandkids. Terrible mistake
But you save money at least lesser problems
Embrace Jesus Christ for meaning in life
So many orphans are waiting for you
Thank you Daniel my friend for your perspective. It is important to be exposed to different perspectives which I feel could help to educate some people. The truth remains that life is too expensive since 2022 to have just one child let alone 2 or 3. My wife and I will have to reflect soon enough. But it is good to be exposed to your perspective so thank you. Keep up the good work!
America is worse I'm greek karystisian and kastorian and wish to live in karystos every spring
I'm also 63
I'm half biellese italian from father and wish to live my summer s in the alps back to old school family life corporate America is making me feel physically ill
I have 7 kids - just work harder lol no problem and great joy with lots of babies ❤
Thing is, a lot of people are talking about it.
Sorry, Michelangelo, Plato, Sir Isaac Newton, Vincent Van Gogh, Oprah Winfrey, etc, etc, you are immature. Your statement that people are not mature until they have children is infantile. Grow up, you’re not a child anymore.
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AGREE...having children is a Joy for a couple...if it is meant to be..! 😊
good talk :)
And isn't that the whole point? 😊
tbh elon musk talked about it
I like your videos but this is not
Like in the header.
You want to talk about Greek crisis but only talk about everybody should have kids.
You should look why people don’t have kids and what to do against.
Thank you Daniel...😊
When we have children,we work so hard we don’t have time to enjoy quality time with them.With the grandchildren though it’s another story.Memories come back,and you stop everything just to be with them.
I love kids but I can't stand some of their parents.
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Everytime I walk into a coffee shop or supermarket I'm grateful that I never had kids.
That's what I said. until I had one and everybody who has not experienced the ultimate love and sacrifice. Well, wil never know.
It must not have been a problem at all if you ended up having one. People have their own reasons for not wanting kids but if they do decide to it must have not been really that big of a deal to change their mind unless of courses the baby is unplanned.
Bravo.! This is your best post yet. at least for me. 65 years old. And I took my first breath. When my son was born. and I took my second breath. when my dad died. because my son basically saved my life from turbulence. That could have been. He gave me meaning. above myself. which made me stronger and more Focused. It brought out the best in me.. this. second breath I took. is when my dominating father. World War Two vet. Let's just say the ultimate Maga. Let's just say the. ultimate mangga! kicked ash and took names. as much as I rebelled against him. I have become him. And by His passing. I took my second breath. To continue his legacy. the generation where the handshake was stronger than the pen Where philotemo Was mentioned in every paragraph. I blame everything on modern education. And it shifts to. politics rather than preparation for life. Media propaganda. Internet. Western universities.. Where they teach you to be selfish. where they teach you. these lies about overpopulation.. I tend to spread not only my last name. but the Greek legacy. Our ancestors fought so hard for. otherwise. the Arabs and the Muslims will take over. because they have always. put family as the forefront. which is congruent. with the laws of nature.. Critical theory. brought over by people like Mancuzzo. is rampant. in our educational system. Even if you don't believe in God. there is universal truth to sin. Every religion has it. We must come back to our moral values and families. and family structure. Otherwise we will self extinct. or wake up every morning. singing. Allah Akbar.! And I am not degrading. the Muslims. I'm actually quite envious. But I was born Greek Orthodox. like markos botsaris.athanasios diakos And my personal favorites katsantonis! who killed veli gekas I actually went to the river that. he leaped to avoid Turks. And when they tried to leap it they drowned. He was my personal hero. Well, it helps that his name was antonis also
For those that want to have children it is often unaffordable. So if Greece wants to solve this make it affordable through reduced taxation and or baby bonuses.
Call elon musk and other rich people who are talking all the money. You can’t offer kids today.
Technology has made people comfortable, lazy, and SELFISH (above all). Rather than being about family, it's about ME ME ME!
Brother, I'm not gonna give you a hard time.! you. just summed up everything I was trying to say. without being the overwhelming. alpha male that I am. Lol.
Arrogance and the big EGO.......doesn't let people have kids.....
I can tell you right now. growing up in the 60s and 70s was the rise of the me generation. The motto was never trust anybody over 40. They wanted to live forever. not knowing. that different stages in life. are meant. for certain types of evolution. Throwing the exception out. It's OK if you want to argue. and maybe the ones that don't want kids don't deserve. this luxury. because kids are good luck. through their children. You will. find the strength to be a better person of you. And Jordan Peterson is right. You really, really never mature. until you have kids. I didn't want to have kids. I was the perpetual teenager. Driving fast cars, drinking beer and chasing girls. and getting into fights. on the weekend. And if I could. drink at a club Meet a girl and get into a fight I became all my friends heroes. But guess what? I also used to wear diapers. and I outgrew them. I went to college It couldn't wait to get out at the end. Happiness. is giving the most miserable people I know. are the richest people. They're the ones that create problems. because they have nothing to strive for. Except more money. Consumerism and materialism. is. the modern day god
Really? This dude has two
"If your parents decided to not have kids, you wouldn't be here." Exactly. I, for one, say it all the time. Your life is a gift offered to you, and you have the obligation, as long as you can from a medical and mental perspective, to really consider offering this invaluable gift too by bringing another existence to the world.
Obligation?
Thanks!
Thanks so much 🙏 I liked your comment, you shouldn’t have deleted.
This has been a great conversation for me. And I'm not apologizing. or worrying about Hurting feelings.. I am speaking universal. truth and how we can solve this problem. Of course, everybody's going to have their exception. But is this? nihilistic approach. to not having kids A solution to a big problem. or a nihilistic. and hedonistic view.. But whatever you do, brothers and sisters. you're here to leave something behind. Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask. what you can do for your country. A quote from. John F Kennedy.
Right. And there are many, many ways to "leave something behind" including having children or not having them but positively influencing children who may not be yours.
Today, the reasons for increasing population are wrong. Just because we live in a system that constantly demands an increase in the use of resources and GDP, while demanding covering retirement benefits, doesn't mean we have to rely on population increase indefinitely. Maybe this new reality will force us to change, maybe accepting more immigration, training, ai, who knows. But asking for more people to keep up with the madness is irresponsible.
Don't have kids in America. Police killed mine. I'm moving to Greece to start a family.
We have three and they're all alive and productive.
That I will totally agree with. I've lived in United States all my life. And like every. dynasty before it. except the Byzantine. and maybe the Ottoman. lasted only 250 years. Guess how old United States is?? 250 years old.
The eastern part of the Roman empire ( byzantine) lasted for a millenia, and
The ottomans for 500 years
Just saying
Oh GOD I can't imagine anything worse than that Scotty..
I hope you find what you are looking for in this part of the world..