Old Testament. Written to Israel. Old Testament is to and for Israel. Doesn't mean we don't read it. We learn a lot. Mosaic Law requirements are not to the gentiles.
@@TexasGrandma2010 Hebrews 8:8-13 shows the New Covenant is with Israel and only Israel. When you enter the new covenant through Christ, you enter Israel and you receive a new heart that knows the Law of God and keeps the Law. The old covenant Law and the new covenant Law are the same Law. The difference is the heart. The problem with the old covenant was that man did not keep it. The new covenant causes you to keep it. If you are not keeping the Law of the old covenant, you cannot claim to be in the new covenant, since the new covenant is keeping the Law.
@@TexasGrandma2010If you do not consider yourself an Israelite then we would have to question if you are a child of God. “Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:11-22) “And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:17-21)
Tony keeps missing the point; observance of the law doesn’t save, just like Baptism doesn’t save.BUT, both Baptism and observing the Law are very important in terms of obedience and bearing fruit.
Very well said brother. In fact anyone who is a studious messianic Torah observer know ‘there is no remission without the shedding of blood’. We don’t think we can Torah our selves to salvation, the Torah itself says that. Yet it seems that most Christians think we believe that. May יהוה (GOD) bless you brother. Forgive the late comment but I felt lead to share
That just smacked me in the forehead! ☺ No Christian has an issue or disagrees that we are COMMANDED to be baptized. Yet most Believers are offended and appalled when they're shown how God COMMANDED us to follow His Instructions for life, recorded in the first 5 books of the Bible.
I second that. Every scripture that he brought up were about us not being saved by the law or under the yoke of earning our salvation through keeping Torah. Yet, we are told that faith without works is dead. We show our faith through our obedience. I don't know any Torah observant Christian who claims that it is necessary for salvation. However, obedience is better than sacrifice.
@@gamerChauTorah defines as instruction, from the five 5️⃣ books, not particularly only from written blocked instruction. Torah keepers don’t usually accept the Torah was taken away with the coming of the preaching of John the Baptist Matthew 11:13 ‘for all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Luke 16:16a ‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ . Most people don’t start from the teachings of Jesus Christ but from the teachings of Paul; such a shame😢. Jesus went through life speaking the words of God The Father John 14:10. ‘The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy’ Revelation 19:10. Jesus was asked what to do to have eternal life. Jesus said Keep the Commandments. We need to read more! Jesus was asked Which? Matthew 19:16-18-19: Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness : to others: or: to yourself: Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s: Honor your father and your mother: Love your neighbor as yourself. Matthew 19:16-19, the commandments to keep to have Eternal Life. The label is out of Leviticus 19:18, the second summary of the Law Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31. Jesus defined What Defiles A Man Matthew 15:10-11-20. Under the Torah, What Defiles A Man and their atonements were spelled out in Leviticus chapters 5-22. Did Jesus explain these? Jesus explained ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄, but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defines A Man.’ By saying that, Jesus was giving notice of the Torah having been, until John. Everyone needs to return to Jesus’s words.
Hey, new to this channel. My husband and I watched last night and he said you should have dropped the mic after your opening statement. After watching, Mr. Lu seems to have the same old arguments as to why we shouldn’t observe Torah. Admittedly, when we first came to Christ, new to the faith, we were in that same camp…but when we started to read the Word for ourselves, we started to have questions. We had no idea that people even kept the Sabbath or Feast Days. Once we were convinced of the doctrine of Jesus (He taught Torah), we left that church and after much prayer, the Lord brought people into our lives who believe as we do. 🙌🏼 Love to all.
@YashuaismyKing Jesus taught Torah ! [ instruction ]! The Ten Commandments give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28. ‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ since that time [ the Law and prophets were until John Luke 16:16, prophesied until John Matthew 11:13 ] the kingdom of God ( kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’ Leviticus chapters 5-22 detail What Defiles A Man 😕, each’s atonement, and its punishment. Jesus defines God’s latest definition of What Defiles A Man: Matthew 15:10-11-20 ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Yes 👏, Jesus, God speaking John 14:10, effectively took away the first - Leviticus chapters 5-22 - ‘that he may establish the second’ Hebrews 10:9. The lawyer and Jesus admitted that the Ten Commandments give Eternal Life under the law of the Mt Sinai testament. Luke 10:25-28. Without mentioning the law of the Mt Sinai covenant, Jesus said to have Eternal Life, Keep the Commandments. When asked Which . Jesus said, Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s ) Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is,) , Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19, the second summary of the Law of Mt Sinai effectively taking away the Ten Commandments replacing them with the kingdom of God’s Eternal Life Law. Jesus taught Torah, the Torah of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17.
The more I listen and learn from various teachers in what I'll call the Messianic movement and I to try to find a "gotcha" ( because as a Christian my whole life Im terrified to follow something that is some weird movement or heresy) Im convinced even more that following The Torah to the best of my abilities with The Holy Spirit's help is the way I should walk out my faith. Ive been ill for some time so ive had lots of time to take in a lot of info on TH-cam mostly. Im looking for a congregation near me and im blessed that it looks as though ill have several in my area to visit and choose from. ( im in Phoenix, AZ and theres some here and in surrounding cities! Who knew?!) My adult son, 20 y.o. ,cheerfully told me he could attend a Sabbath service withbme when I mentioned I found a few around us. My husband hasn't delved into learning yet, mostly because he's working a lot to keep us afloat, but he's open to everything I've shared with him and thinks it all mostly makes sense. So i know im blessed. A lot of people have no one that supports them when they begin to keep Sabbath and the Torah! Pretty sure the rest of my family isn't so happy about. Wait until I tell them im not keeping Christmas and especially not Easter! 😂
@ginayedinak6036 yes 👍 Yes 🙌 YES 👏 FOLLOW THE TORAH UNDER MESSIAH: Torah defines as instruction. Matthew 5:17-18 verse 17 ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill . For verily I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one 1️⃣ jot or one 1️⃣ tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.’ Matthew 11:13 ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.’ [ Luke 16:16-17 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ ‘since that time - the prophets and the Law prophesied until John Matthew 11:13; ‘the Law and the prophets were until John’ Luke 16:16 - the kingdom of God ( the kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached, and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’ Luke 16:16-17. Leviticus chapters 5-22 defines What Defiles A Man ( along with each’s atonement and punishment ) . Jesus said What Defiles A Man: ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Matthew 15:10-11-20. Jesus effectively takes away Leviticus chapters 5-22 and establishes his New Testament kingdom of God law of What Defiles A Man, speaking God’s Torah John 14:10. A lawyer asked Jesus, ‘Master, what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life? He said to him, What is written in the law? How do you read it? And he answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and, your neighbor as yourself. And he ( Jesus ) said to him, You have answered right: This do and you shall live.’ Jesus confirmed ✅ that the Ten Commandments were to give Eternal Life. Follow. Without mentioning the Law, Jesus was asked What to do to have Eternal Life. (2) Jesus said Keep the Commandments. He said to Jesus, Which? Jesus said, Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s ) Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is,), Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19 effectively replacing the Ten Commandments as the law giving Eternal Life to only the law’s second summary of the law as the commandments [ of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 ] which give Eternal Life. Matthew 19:16-19, the second summary of the law Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31: Exodus 20:12-17. Are we under the Messiah’s Torah ?
When Tony Yu was reading scripture, he injected the word "law" a bunch of places where it wasn't written. This is really confusing, or even deceptive, for anyone not reading along.
Context is king. The mosaic law was written to the nation of Israel to set them apart. The new covenant is a new and better covenant, and it is a curse to try to live in the old covenant. And why would you want to live in the old one when we have a better and newer covenant?
Did Yu really just say those obeying the most highs instructions are going to hell?! Wow. Great misunderstanding on his part. He needs to realize this is a brother in Christ and be loving to him and also LISTEN to what he's saying.
It baffles my mind when people say that. Scripture is very clear about the importance of keeping His commandments, and keeping the law is one of His commandments. The sad thing is those people who think that actually believe it.
That's the definition of a satanic lie. Only he and those under his deception will call good evil and evil good. 'It is good to eat of the fruit that God said you would die from, as a matter of fact, you'll be made just like Him, you won't die'
David simply shows us that Yeshua came as a Jew, honored His Father commandments, since the Great I Am is the highest authority. By the time of Constantine, those in political authority started chipping at the Faith once delivered. Gone was the true Sabath, the true feasts of YHWH, such assault on the teachings of Yeshua.
These are the people who longed to stone the woman caught in adultery in Moses’ name. They pretend to keep the law in pride & deception. Come to Christ.
So if one is fulfilled in intimacy with their spouse, they shouldn't be intimate anymore??? It is finished? The relationship is fulfilled so we are done!!??? Wow....
The three words "it is finished" are so twisted out of context. Paul's epistles and John's record of Messiah aren't the gospel. "As it is written" But they don't look at how it's written, they just interpret the commentary of the new testament (which is what the new testament is) the last and only word.
@@Hebrew42Day - Thank you! The warning Christ gave of people saying they seen Christ here or there "dessert, and or secret places" does apply to Paul and John who claim that the heard/seen Christ in these places rather than "like lightning shining from east to west" (for all to see) as our Lord promised.
Tony Yu really butchered some of the laws he was trying to recite, totally rewrote them to his own liking to make them sound absurd. You shouldn't have to lie about what the laws are, as a means to refute them. And then to say that they were meant to be impossible to follow, when the scriptures say they are meant to be easy to follow? Too much rewriting of the scriptures was used by Tony to present his case.
@@robertfrancis3733amein verses 12-14 says It is not in heaven, that you should say Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh to you in your mouth and in your heart that you may do it. Which is funny because the new covenant which christians use to claim we dont have to follow it (it is written in Hebrews 10:16-17 ) literally says the law will be written on our Hearts
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 This is part of the Torah. How are we going to follow this today? I'm not being facetious...I genuinely would like to know what you guys think.
@@azarel7we Are Not under a theocracy ( God ruled government ) and have no such law; Israel was a theocracy at the time the command was given. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets ‘Think not that I am come to abolish the law or the prophets: I am not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For verily I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one 1️⃣ jot or one 1️⃣ tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.’ Matthew 5:17-18 ( all applies only to the law, not to the prophets also, as it says). Matthew 5:17-18 Matthew 11:13 ‘for all the prophets and the law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13, Luke 16:16-17 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; since that time [ the law and the prophets were until John] the kingdom of God is preached… . And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God, not of Mt Sinai, but the kingdom of God ] to fail.’ Luke 16:16-17. Leviticus chapters 5-22 lists ways A Man Can Be Defiled, the punishment, and the atonement. Jesus said, ‘There is Nothing Without ( outside of ) a Man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that Defiles A Man. … ‘because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly and goes out into the drought, purging all meats ( foods )? Mark 7:15, 19 Matthew 15:17-18 ‘Do you not yet understand , that whatsoever enters in at the mouth Goes into the belly, and is cast into the drought? but those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart and they Defile A Man.’ These are which defile A Man, but to eat with unwashed hands 🙌 Defiles Not A Man.’ Mt 15:20. This is contrary to Leviticus 15:11 which commanded to wash the hands 🙌 after touching anyone or anything that one with a running issue out of his ( or her ) body has touched, even this Jesus was saying Does not Defile A Man. Matthew 15:10-20, Mark 7:15-23 . Jesus and a lawyer agreed that, In The Law, the Ten Commandments - You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself - give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28. When Jesus was asked What Commandments to do to have Eternal Life, without mentioning the law, Jesus said ‘ 1:36 Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s ) Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is), Love your neighbor as yourself.’ By Jesus saying Only the second summary of the Law, Jesus was saying that the first summary of the law - Love God and your neighbor as yourself together with each of the regulations that came from them - No More Give Eternal Life, nor are they obligated for believers to do, even to please 🙏 God, God speaking through Jesus John 14:10. Those commandments Jesus gives otherwise are not labeled as giving Eternal Life, but to go onto maturity such as in Matthew 19:21-22. Hebrews 6:9 tells of things that accompany salvation ( you must have salvation first ); Philippians 2:12-13 commands believers to ‘work out your own salvation’ meaning you had to have salvation in order to work out your salvation. We are being saved 2nd Corinthians 2:15. We shall be saved ‘receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls’ 1st Peter 1:9, Romans 8:19-23 the redemption of the body.
I think Tony is a genuine believer, however I don't agree with his understanding of scripture by ignoring other scripture relating to them. I will say that he is impressively creative in his defense of false doctrine. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to listen to this debate.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33
Tony Yu is one of those whom Peter wrote about of those who twist Paul's writings to their own destruction. 'as also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.' ( Peter 3:16) If the law (Torah) HAD been abolished, there would be no more penalty for sin, because sin is transgression of the law (Torah). 'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law (Torah) : for sin is the transgression of the law.' (1 John 3:4) And we read further that the wages of sin is DEATH (written to believers in Messiah in Romans 6:23) Well, Tony Yu and others like him, will have an unpleasant surprise when they are standing before the Judgment Seat and hear ; 'Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.' (Matthew 7:23) The reason that people are so deceived is because of unconfessed sin in their lives. There is no other explanation for it.
I am not going to watch the video but rather I would like to answer the question in the title. Torah means Instruction. There are many instructions in the world. Some are instructions on how to put your Ikea furniture together. If we are specifically referring to Heavenly Father instructions then the answer is Yes, we should keep Adonai's instructions.
If you can't follow the instructions exactly then you have a faulty piece of furniture. But someone who can and does follow all the instructions for you, builds it, then you already have that piece of furniture and you dont need to revert back the the instructions. Im learning here but that's a terrible analogy. With all due respect.
Written to Israel. Was conditional upon Israel obeying the law. Using Matt. , Jesus is speaking to Jews. And not realizing Jesus said Je fulfilled it all, means it is done.
As it relates to what Paul said about Peter withdrawing from eating with Gentiles, we only have Paul's side of the story. Peter may have discovered that they were eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols and left for that reason. I can't believe Tony said it is a sin to keep the commands. That is very sad. That would make Yeshua and all the disciples sinners. He doesn't seem to understand the Dueteronomy 13 Test or the Old Testament because if he did he would know that if Yeshua changed anything to do with the law he would be a false prophet and not the Messiah. The New Covenant is to write the laws on our heart...to cause us to obey the commands; not to drive us away from them.
It was about circumcision, not the type of food. The tradition of men, the Pharisees declared eating with Gentiles, even food declared clean by God, made one unclean. The reason the Pharisees made these traditions, is the Gentiles often had dead relatives under their houses. What does the law say about coming in contact with dead bodies? This is why the Pharisees constructed a fence around Torah, prohibiting gentiles and Jews from mingling.
@robinphilipps2850 the Deuteronomy 13 test has to do with following those who deceive to follow a different God. Jesus said: ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; ‘ ‘since that time [ the Law and the prophets were until John Luke 16:16, Matthew 11:13 ) the kingdom of God is preached…’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law ( the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ) to fail.’ Luke 17:16-17. Compare Luke 16:17 with Matthew 5:18 of the law before the kingdom of God Torah Law. God DID PROPHESY OF A NEW TESTAMENT Jeremiah 31:31-34. Yes 👍 the New Testament would include the law written in our hearts and minds Jeremiah 31:32 but Yeshua shows there’s more of a difference. ‘But you have an unction from the Holy One; and you know all things’ 1st John 2:20. ‘Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith sprinkled ( with the blood 🩸 of Jesus Hebrews 10:19-20 ‘Having therefore brethren boldness to enter into the Holiest By The Blood of Jesus, By A New And Living Way, which he has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh’ Hebrews 10:19-20 ) from an evil conscience and washed with pure water.’ Hebrews 10:22. Jesus became ‘a surety of a better covenant’ Hebrews 7:22. ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; since that time - the Law and the prophets were until John Luke 16:16-17, Matthew 11:13 - the kingdom of God [ The kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ] is preached ( the kingdom of God replaced the Mt Sinai testament Torah ) and every man presses into it.’ Luke 16:16-17 ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’ Luke 16:17. Leviticus chapters 5-22 is the Torah’s definition of What Defiles A Man: its description, punishment, and atonement . Jesus defines the kingdom of God’s definition of What Defiles A Man: Matthew 15:10-11-20 ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth 👄 Defiles A Man.’ Mt 15:11. Jesus effectively replaced the Mt Sinai covenant Torah with the kingdom of God Torah. The law that gives Eternal Life: Luke 10:25-28 A lawyer and Jesus agrees that In the Law: The Ten Commandments - You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind and Love your neighbor as yourself - give Eternal Life. Luke 10:25-28. Matthew 22:36-40, Mark 12:29-31. Matthew 19:16-18-19 ‘… Good master, what good thing should I do that I may have Eternal Life? And he said to him, …. If you will enter into life, keep the Commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said, Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s ) Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is), Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Jesus effectively replaced the Mt Sinai covenant [ Exodus 34:28 ] Torah with the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 ( kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) Torah’s law that gives Eternal Life. There are other commandments Jesus gives which he doesn’t say give Eternal Life, but lead to maturity such as in Matthew 19:21-22. Hebrews 6:9 there are works which accompany salvation: Hebrews 6:1-3, Romans 5:1-5, including growing in faith , and learning more about the Son of God Ephesians 4:13 some of which is in Hebrews 6:20. We are saved, upon belief, belief which works by love Galatians 5:6, we are being saved 2nd Corinthians 2:15, and shall be saved Philippians 2:12 ‘work out your own salvation’.
I'm convinced people who say the Law has been done away with, never read the laws. They are very good laws. The first time I read through them, with clearer understanding, I decided to follow them. Lets use 2 laws for example, one law says, "Children don't strike your parents", another law says, "Don't take advantage of widows". So you're telling me, since the law has been done away with, I can strike my parents, and take advantage of widows? Again, I don't think Christians have even read them. Is eating bacon and getting tattoos really that important?
Paul DIDN'T KEEP the law? Hmmm, let's see if that's true. Acts 24:14- But this I confess to you, that according to the way which they call a sect, so I worship the GOD of my fathers, believing all things that are written in the LAW and the prophets. Or Acts 25:8- Neither against the LAW of the JEWS, nor against the TEMPLE, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all. Or Acts 18:21- I must by all means KEEP this coming FEAST in Jerusalem.... Or Romans 12:12- ... for not the hearers of the LAW are just in the sight of God, but the DOERS of the LAW Will be justified. Or Romans 3:31- Do we then make void the LAW through faith? CERTAINLY NOT! On the contrary, we ESTABLISH the LAW! Or Romans 6:16- Do you not know that to whom you present yourself slaves to obey, you are that whom you obey, weather of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Or Romans 7:12- Therefore the LAW is HOLY, and the COMMANDMENT HOLY and JUST and GOOD. Or Romans 7:22- FOR I DELIGHT IN THE LAW OF GOD according to the inward man. Hmmmm, either Paul is a really confused person, or someone is twisting scripture! Let's see what God says. Deuteronomy 13:3-4 ....you shall not listen to the words of that prophet .....for the Lord your God is testing you, to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the LORD your GOD and fear Him; and you shall keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, listen to HIS VOICE, and serve HIM, and CLING to HIM! ....... So you see we are being tested! Seeds have been planted, and the seeds are the WORD of God. But the enemy came and sowed bad seed, which are tares, the Twisted word of God that Satan used to try to tempt Christ. They are allowed to grow together; but in the end, when Jesus comes back, HE will separate the Sheep from the goats. The sheep are the ones who listen and obey God's Torah; goats are the rebellious ones who hate God's word. JESUS IS GOD'S WORD! Matthew 5:19 whosoever shall teach others to break one of the least of these Commandments will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven, but whoever teaches and preaches these Commandments will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Tony, may God bless you for stepping out to do this and defend your perspective. The only problem, is that Scripture just doesn't line up with your perspective. I know because I was there. No doubt you seek Truth. I pray your eyes, ears and heart can be open to receiving Truth.
Did Yu really say that if you try to keep God’s law you are cursed? So is he saying that if you are lawless you will be blessed…. Obviously not….but I’m shocked. How does Yu understand how we should live…only what’s affirmed in the New Testament?
He must be big into kidnapping and beastiality, since both of those are forbidden by Torah, but not commanded in the New Testament. If he doesn’t kidnap and have sex with animals, he is keeping commandments only found in Torah, and therefore, is under the Law and abed to hell (according to his own reckoning.) If course, we should keep all of God’s commandments in the Law, and His grace is for when we fail. And our faith in Christ changes our hearts to better obey his commands.
Keeping the parts of the Torah that we can keep is NOT keeping the Torah. People that claim to be Torah Observant are fooling themselves. Here is what is wrong. Scriptures, like in John 14 and 15, “if you love Me then keep my Commandments” are NOT talking about the Torah, they ARE referring to the Ten Commandments. Jesus when asked what the Greatest Commandment was quoted Deuteronomy 6, love God and love your neighbor, just prior to this is Deuteronomy 5, the Ten Commandments!!! Hallelujah!!! Love God and love your neighbor summarizes the Ten Commandments. They were written in Stone by God Himself AND they were in the Ark of the Covenant. The Law was written by MOSES with God on PAPER, not STONE.
When God was giving the law from Mount Sinai he brought them all to the base of the mountain and was giving it to them verbally, they all could hear him. When he got to ten they were afraid and asked that God not continue to speak to them. They asked Moses to receive it from Gods mouth and give it to them and they would do it. If you think only the Ten Commandments need to be kept. Then why does the church today teach that homosexuality is a sin and shouldn’t be done? It’s not one of the ten my friend. But it is one of Gods commandments. So i think you might want to go study some more.
Shabbat Shalom and blessings brother. Excellent debate. Hebraic thought and eyes will always lead to biblical truth. Hellenistic thought and eyes just lead to confusion. Context, context, context the three most important tools for reading scripture once you have your Hebraic spectacles on. Tony Yu owned.....In love of course. Blessings brother. David (UK)
Oh and there are some animals that if we eat them we would die, such as a Poison dart frog. Other foods although not deathly are simply not good for you and do not support health in humans. Therefore our loving Creator told us what to eat and what not to eat.
Unfortunately one cannot rationalize/argue anyone into or out of belief. These issues do not determine salvation as Tony incorrectly asserts. We do not follow Torah to achieve salvation, no, we follow Torah because we have been saved and our Yeshua/Salvation followed the Law. I know no one who attempts to force anyone to follow the Torah. It’s true that we cannot fulfill the Law. Tony mixes up the teaching of men with the Torah and forgets that most of us are not in Israel and so we cannot keep many of the Torah. I maintain that it is the Father’s Will for us to love Him and Love His Son, Who He sent as our Yeshua/Salvation. If we do love Him, we will follow His example by following the Torah.
@shabbatsongs4801 Torah and its lawyers admit the Ten Commandments of the Torah give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28. If you don’t keep the Ten Words for Eternal Life you deceive yourself. That doesn’t mean that you don’t need to add faith to obedience.! If you love God The Father and his Son Jesus Christ you violate Exodus 20:3 ‘You shall have no other gods before me’, Isaiah 42:8 ‘my glory I will not give to ( share with? ) another’: ‘for the Father Judges No Man but has committed all judgment to the Son’ John 5:22 ‘and has given him authority to execute Judgment also for he is the Son of Man.’ John 5:27. What defiles A Man: Leviticus chapters 5-22 defines what defiles, punishment, and atonement. Jesus said [ after he had said ‘for all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13, Luke 16:16-17 ] Matthew 15:10-11-20‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Jesus effectively took away the first, Leviticus chapters 5-22, by establishing his definition, speaking the Father’s Word John 14:10, of What Defiles A Man in the kingdom of heaven Matthew 11:13, 3, 4:17, kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 Torah.
@@mandy7833You do understand that living anywhere in this world, man has put a lot more than 613 laws in your face that you must obey or have a penalty. How could you complain about 613? How blessed is our God that these are His laws and has only put that many for us to obey? How freeing is the law when if it was all we had? Israel complained about the law and wanted a king like other nations. Men who put us under bondage and not freeing us like God does. Please think about how freeing it would be to be under God’s law and his alone.
Tony, NO....God didn't change the dietary law. Peter's vision had nothing to do with food. It had to do with Peter excepting gentiles as clean. But Tony thinks...oh, 10 years later after the cross God says hey, Peter you can eat a ham sandwich now. (SMH) Seems he never read the context of that entire chapter to see what is going on. And, we don't keep Torah for salvation. We keep it because we love our Father and want to obey him. It comes down to a heart matter. The best example of the Torah is a red light. When we drive, traffic lights keep us safe. If we drive through a red light we endanger our life and the lives of others. If you ran a red light and were judged and someone stepped in to take your punishment, you would be free of that punishment BUT that doesn't mean they would get rid of the traffic lights.
Charity Creech God will not condemn you for following the Jewish law ,nor will he condemn gentiles for what they eat.the main point is to be forgiven ,that comes from Jesus Christ,he will guide you as to what his will is for you.
@@kimhart8154 His will was written down, which is why He often said "it is written". He wanted to make it clear that what was written, was His will. He will guide you to what He has already written, and reveal to you that it is His will for you. It is not up to our interpretation of what we feel was put in our hearts. We need to read what was put into our hearts.
@@kimhart8154 According to Isaiah, Yah will indeed punish people who eat pig flesh, rats and the abomination. He said He will do this when He comes in flaming fire. He specifically talks about destroying people who are sanctifying themselves (setting themselves apart from the world) and purifying themselves (getting rid of sin) but who are also eating these unclean animals. He said he will do this at His coming. When God said my people perish for lack of knowledge He meant it.
Matthew 15:10-11 Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”
@@dentoncarter8416 Read the whole context. The discussion is about eating without first ceremonially washing your hands. The Pharisees thought this made the food unclean.
Tony says Torah, the instructions and laws of our Creator, are bondage! He hasn't read Psalm 119, the LONGEST chapter in the Bible. Or how about James 1:25- "perfect law of Liberty" or 1John 5:3- "His Commandments are not burdensome". You see in order somewhere with Tony is saying you have to believe God is terrible oh, and he changes his mind. I mean after all if he's God and he knows everything why did he give an impossible law for thousands upon thousands of years if he knew they couldn't keep it? Not only that, but he said if you follow it it's life and blessings to those who follow and curses to those who don't. All the people who came before the cross were destroyed by God for not keeping the law; but then He finally realizes His major error, people can't keep the law. In fact the law is just a curse?!!! Wow I sure hope someone goes back to apologize all those people destroyed in the flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah, ananias and Sapphira, oh wait that's the New Testament?! What happened to God's grace there?..... "Now the serpent was more subtle any beast of the field God had made. And he said unto the woman; 'has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'... and the serpent said unto the woman, 'You shall not surely die!' (so Eve ate)....... Have you eaten from the tree that I COMMANDED you not to eat?.... What is this that you have done? And the woman said, 'the serpent BEGUILED me and I did eat'. ...False Christianity is based on Paul, TRUE Christianity is based on GOD!
This is not true of Noah (talking to Tony Yu) God makes a distinction between clean and unclean animals when Noah is bringing animals into the Ark, this is simply not clearly defined in this part of Torah.
Right, had Noah and his family eaten of the 2x2 animals then we would be missing a lot of different animals in the animal kingdom. Eat one of the equine species, no horse now. Eat one canine species and so on. But of the clean, there were plenty.
there was only two (of the unclean animals)..and seven sets of the clean animals)....for sacrifice and eating)whilst in the ark....they were all kept to replenish the earth
Hebrews 7:26-28 NKJV - For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
@@firstthessalonian6889Hebrews 10:16-17 For this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days says Yah I will put MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS AND IN THEIR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM and their sins and inequities will I remember no more
In the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, and prodigal son: Jesus teaches repentance. Jesus said that heaven is filled with joy when lost people repent. Why didn't Jesus say heaven rejoices when people receive salvation, or when they believe in their heart... John the Baptist, Jesus, and his followers taught repentance.
I think Tony passed over Matthew 5 too fast. Sure, it says "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." THEN says "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So is this Tony guy TRYING to be the least in heaven?
In my experience alot of people do that. I myself did it, I think on some level deep inside there is a part that sees that passage for what it truly is, therefore one has to run through it fast as a means to not truly deal with it.
My other aspect is not all prophecy has been fulfilled likewise the judgements and certain precepts have yet to happen which is law. The government aka great white thrown judgement and king judgements must happen . So has all been fulfilled
Replacement theology. (Not the kind that makes the church replace Israel) churchianity, Belief that faith in Jesus makes you without sin. Bible, our actions make us without sin. 1 Jo 3:4-10 They take verses out of context, he kept repeating Matt 5:18, and missed a key word. *ALL* is fulfilled. Has *ALL* been fulfilled? Romans 3:31 Do we then abolish the law by faith? CERTAINLY NOT.
Those who teach on the Torah would be well served to actually study it to see what it requires. Under the Law of Moses, the general rule, repeated numerous times in the Torah, was that Israel should ensure that the same law that applied to native-born Israelites also applied to the stranger (non-Israelite) who resided among the Israelites (Exodus 12:49). This would include the mixed multitude in the wilderness, non-Israelite servants living in Israelite households, and foreigners residing in their own households within the land of Israel. However, there were exceptions where the law that applied to native-born Israelites did not apply to Gentiles living under the jurisdiction of Israel. One of these exceptions was circumcision. The Torah strictly required circumcision of Jewish males on the 8th day after birth, but those in Israel living in Gentile households were only required to be circumcised if they desired to eat the sacrificed lamb during Passover (Exodus 12:43-48). Passover was also one of the 3 annual biblical festivals that Jewish males (not Gentiles) were required to attend in Jerusalem. So Gentiles under the Torah were generally not required to be circumcised. In insisting that Gentile believers did not need to be circumcised in order to become followers of the Way, the New Testament authors did not in any way abrogate or nullify the Torah. Under the Torah, Gentiles were not required to be circumcised unless they wanted to participate in the Passover feast in Jerusalem by eating the sacrificed lamb at the Passover Seder. The vast majority of Gentiles converting to Christianity during the time the apostles were writing most of the New Testament resided far away from Jerusalem, and as Gentiles would not have been required by the Torah to travel to Jerusalem for the Passover in any case. So to require these Gentile believers to be circumcised in order to join the body of believers would have gone far beyond what the Torah required of Gentiles living in the land of Israel, much more so any Gentiles living in other lands not in any way under the jurisdiction of Israel. By contrast, Paul went to extensive lengths, taking a Nazirite vow, (see Numbers 6:1-21 to find out what that is) to defend himself against false accusations that he was teaching Jewish believers in the diaspora not to circumcise their sons (Acts 21:18-26). If those accusations had been true, Paul would have been false teacher endorsing the violation of a direct Torah command, as the Torah clearly required Jewish males to be circumcised. The New Testament authors cannot be shown to have altered, nullified or abolished any commandments in the Law of Moses, including the commandment on circumcision, because the Law of Moses never imposed circumcision on Gentile households, except for those who desired to eat the Passover lamb in Jerusalem. Even this limited exception was only relevant for Gentile believers until 70 A.D., when the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, thereafter preventing anyone, Jewish or Gentile, circumcised or not, from being able to sacrifice or eat a Passover lamb.
"no we never gave that command." Does God have partiality? Rom 2:11 KJV For there is no respect of persons with God. "They cannot keep the law" *Which law* ? The heavy burden cannot be Torah. (Deut 30:11) "God permitted him to eat every kind of meat" The gentiles who twist this should be glad Noah didn't interpret as they do. How many unclean animals were on the ark? 2. What would happen if Noah ate pork sandwiches? No more pigs. "You may sell it to the alien" The alien wasn't a Covenant keeper, like those described in the Bible as sojourning with the Jews were told what? Num 15:16. One law for the Jew and one for the foreigners. Not two sets of rules. Not two paths to salvation. What the Christians preach today is the gospel of Simon Magus.
Thanks David for this interesting topic. I strongly believe that this misconception of Christians are not obliged to keep Torah is because the replacement theology (the church replaces Israel) which has been implemented for centuries is the root cause. We are indeed blessed to be this generation where Israel is resurrected in 1948, and this absurd issue of replacement theology should & must be addressed. Shalom.
I speak about replacement theology to various family and Christian friends around me and they just deflect in avoid the topic. I live in Weirton West Virginia next to Pittsburgh
Very few theological traditions sprout from replacement theology. The majority of them, who deny Torah observance mind you, still say that the church is unified with the people of God.
Some Christians actually believe that if you even try follow all of God’s commandments you will go to Hell. This is what happens when you twist the word of God. The unpardonable sin is to follow God's ways??? The enemy must be loving how this deception is being accepted in the church.
Tony’s ending statement made it sound like those who keep the law on our hearts don’t trust in Jesus. I have faith, love, trust and want to obey and do what is pleasing to him. I’m renewed ❤️
I wonder what Ezekiel chapters 40 and on, discussing the millennial reign and the Levites, shabbat, sacrifices, new moons, feasts play into Tony's argument. I'm also curious why this is never mentioned in these debates both public and private.
I bring that up in conversations. Usually the response is silence. People that are from the A-millennial group, tend to make it super allegorical. Anyone else gets agisn super silent.
@@timomarieshely God made an eternal covenant with the Levites. The Levites will sacrifice during the millennium and it seems on into eternity in the new earth (scriptures below)....but the sacrifices _do_ change. From the Mosaic sacrifices to the millennial sacrifices to the eternal sacrifices there are changes in each age. In the millennial kingdom there will be sacrifices, including sin sacrifices (which I know can sound odd)(Ezekiel 40-46). Those sin sacrifices do not remove sin (they never did in the past and they will not in the future). Remember, where there is forgiveness of sin, there is no more sacrifice....people who have been in the resurrection/rapture who have new sinless bodies are already in the new covenant and already have our actual sin removing sacrifice, Yeshua who is also our High Priest). Those entering into the millennial kingdom in their sinful flesh (their sin has not been forgiven yet) will have sin sacrifices performed. Again, those sacrifices do not save/actually remove sin but they point to Christ and also seem to have something to do with purification while God is here on this earth in our midst. I'm still studying this deep topic. We'll see more clearly then. In the New Heaven and New Earth (which is the home of righteousness) there is no longer any sin. No sin, no death. Those sin sacrifices cease. But does the Levitical priesthood cease once the new earth (eternal age) comes? Look at this fascinating passage. Jeremiah 33:14-22 ‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that I will perform that good thing which I have promised to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah: ‘In those days and at that time I will cause to grow up to David A Branch of righteousness; He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In those days Judah will be saved, And Jerusalem will dwell safely. And this is the name by which she will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS’ “For thus says the LORD: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; *nor* shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ” And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, “Thus says the LORD: ‘If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there will not be day and night in their season, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, *and* with the Levites, the priests, My ministers. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant *and* the Levites who minister to Me.’ ” Still studying all of this. God bless us.
Tony lost this debate.. Wilbur refutes every major point that Tony made, yet tony continued to kind of beat the dead horse on his points.. I think the church as a whole completely misses the fact that pharasees didn’t keep the Torah only parts of it and created an oral tradition for salvation and many other things commonly known today as the Talmud. Tony goes to straw man arguments such as stoning and others yet Wilbur pointed out that there is no temple, and no government that is set up to bring these small issues forward..God says over and over his law is easy, perfect for converting the soul etc... it’s just so sad that people ignore Gods word to live in the fantasy of etch e sketch Christianity.
Andrew Lailvaux if keeping Torah is your means of salvation that passage would apply. However that concept shows why we all need a messiah who himself was able to perfectly live Torah and was given the authority to raise believers at the resurrection. If, through belief in Messiah, i have died to sin and I am no longer under the curse of the second death, shouldn't I want to know the Father's heart and mind and walk as He has directed through his spoken word (Torah) so that I'm not either on purpose or through ignorance sinning? Wouldn't the deposit of the spirit be guiding me to walk as Jesus walk? Didn't he walk Torah which is why he was considered perfect by the Father? I am not trying to live out Torah to be saved, but because I am saved I live by the spirit and as I turn from sin I am hoping that what my life produces is the fruit of the spirit.
When people bring up the stoning it makes me sad too, like they aren't realizing that 'all authority' has been given to the Son, that the Son is the judge. Even under the Levitical priesthood random people weren't picking up stones and stoning people. A trial took place, a judgement was issued *by the judge*/priest. Now the priest is Melchizedek and He will pass judgement on judgement day. Why do they ask if *we* stone people? We don't have the right or authority to carry out a judgement. Only Yeshua, the perfect Lamb, has the right and authority to carry out judgement. We are to separate from one who calls himself a brother while living in sin, in hopes that it will bring about reconciliation.
I am a Torah observant Christian, I will tell you no the law will not save, BUT the law is the created by God so that we remember what he hates so we don't condemn ourselves, this isn't just the 10 commandments but this also includes the levitical dietary kosher laws. There is food you can and cannot eat, you can have chicken, turkey, beef, venison, and fish as long as they have fins AND scales, the butcher also has to be a butcher that practices the kosher techniques of producing meat. You cant eat a cheese burger because that's mixing meat and dairy, and you cannot eat certain hamburger helper meals that require milk mixed in with ground beef, I have no idea where "all 613 laws" comment comes from anyways because not all of us are farmers, warriors, mother's, young children, nor priests, men cannot follow laws of women and vise versa so you're really not following all 613
Every scripture that he brought up were about us not being saved by the law or under the yoke of earning our salvation through keeping Torah. Yet, we are told that faith without works is dead. We show our faith through our obedience. I don't know any Torah observant Christian who claims that it is necessary for salvation. However, obedience is better than sacrifice.
Ugh…why don’t people read on. That was to show Peter that he could hang out with those that ate unclean food. An unclean bird is mentioned in Revelation. Pork has human DNA in it. The church doesn’t have everything right.
Tony Yu quotes Mishna and added words to Torah. Nowhere does it say “cookware “ and accusing your opponent of wanting to fill his fleshly lusts? Nope. By belief in the Redeemer, we prove our belief in good works whereby all the Torah hangs on YAHUSHUA’s 1st & 2nd greatest summary of the commands (instruction). There was never a statement made, except by “Yu” saying that one is saved by the law. Contrarywise, belief without works is dead. To me, those who think they can just believe the Redeemer died for their sins, and then they can go fornicate, swear, cheat, lie, steal, covet, be drunkards, gluttonous , idolize (do you love movies, video games, sports and celebrities?) and who knows what else - are drinking the poison cup of disobedience in order to live in the flesh instead of walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:20-25). Revelation (Hazon) is clear on this.
Expiration date of the law? I thought God doesn't change his mind. The entire Bible is valid according to Matt. 4:4 and 2 Tim. 3:16 and others. Christians want to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.
Woah... Tony lost the debate at his very first point. He completely left out the "till heaven and Earth pass away" part. He literally skipped it... So as to avoid saying that the law cannot pass until HEAVEN AND EARTH pass away and all be fulfilled. He instead said the law will not pass, and the heavens and Earth will not pass until all be fulfilled. So even in his interpretation, the law can't pass until after the heavens and Earth pass.
@@mightylove Justification vs Saintification.... this is a very important distinction I feel many on both side miss. The law was never given as a mean for Justification. And that was Paul's main argument, but in regards to Saintification, Paul tells us to keep it. Not that we will keep it perfectly but that is what we aim for, knowing that God's grace will take care of where we mess up.
I dont think its a debate, Torah keeping is Gods will. Its not about what we want, its about becoming righteous because God is righteous. The bible states we left Torah because of our sin, so no Torah is like saying yes, lets stay in our sin... Gods calling people to keep Torah, its happening all over the world I hope you're one of the many who hears his call and repents, and if you missed it, seek him on where you need to heal your heart so you can hear him. We need to stop following our will and seek Gods.
@47:00 if Noah had been eating alleats right after the flood, there would be no more of unclean animals. God only had Noah bring two of every unclean animal, and way more of the clean animals. If Noah had immediately eaten a horse, for example, it would leave one other horse with no mate or offspring. Noah did bring extras of clean birds, ruminates, and other clean animals. The obvious implication being that it was those clean animals he would eat and sacrifice, as some were also for that. The very fact that God instructed Noah to bring extra of clean animals, and Noah didn't ask what those were, imply somehow he already knew God's law
Addressing Peter: In Acts 10:9-16, Peter was informed by God through a vision that he was not to reject the use of certain animals for food on a religious basis. The apostle Paul also writes, “For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer” (1 Timothy 4:4).
Wow, Tony took scripture way out of context and even was dishonest in presenting it in his closing statement but unless you know the scripture, you wouldn't know.
That is the basic fact that everyone misses. We simply don't know the Bible and is why we fall for doctrines / traditions of men. Him taking Act 10 out of context just made me cringe.. 😑
Brother Tony is genuine like many Christians who struggle on these issues. I wish and pray that he would take some time to hear this debate many times and reflect on these passages prayerfully. David, brother you were clear and kept yourself to the context and I was really blessed. May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob be praised. We can learn to think better as we challenge each other and spur one another.🙏🏽😀
Totally agree about spurring one another cowboy lol, just today I spurred someone calling a man Rabbi which Yehoshua Messiah says call no man Rabbi. I got bucked off quickly 😂. I am going to be using SPUR all weak!!!!!!!!
acts 10:28 unlawful for a jew to keep company with someone from another nation,. the spirit showed Peter that Jesus new covenant has changed that law, that gentiles are not to be considered unclean. did peter misunderstand the torah? Later, by the way, in paul's epistles he says all foods are clean.
Peter was blind to that fact, God ALWAYS welcomed strangers/non israelites, its just that Israel constantly disobeyed Gods Laws and they kept oppressing the strangers, thus passing that line of thought to their kids Paul never said that all foods are clean, can you give me scripture?
There is no command in the Old Testament that prohibits a Jew from keeping company with a Gentile. By the time of Jesus, there were extra rules and regulations from the scribes and teachers of the law and Pharisees that prohibited Jews from eating with Gentiles. But this was a man-made law, not a command from the Torah. Paul’s teachings on this issue was not a violation or nullification of any command in the Law of Moses.
So what is the Law? The Law, also known as the Torah, is the first Five Books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Within the Law, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, we have the Ten Commandments. The huge problem is that the Torah Observant do not differentiate between the two, the Law and the Commandments. With no Temple, no animal sacrifices, no actual Levites, no Ark of the Covenant, etc. etc. etc. we are fooling ourselves if we actually think we are keeping the Law. But Good News, Jesus NEVER said to keep the Law, He said to keep My Commandments. "If you love Me, keep My Commandments". The Ten Commandments are VERY, VERY relevant to all humans. Even non-believers have them written on their hearts. Jesus tells us that the Ten Commandments can be summed up in; loving God and loving your neighbor. This is the Gospel Message: Jesus Christ conquered sin and death and then He sent us the Holy Spirit. Once saved, the Holy Spirit of God comes into us, the Ten Commandments are Beautiful, the Holy Spirit is our Helper and our Comforter. Again, the Ten Commandments are completely different from the Law. The Ten Commandments simply mean to love God and love your neighbor. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, God is Love.
Mr. Yu should do a scripture review of the following words: º FOREVER º GENERATIONS º IF Next, I would suggest that he figure out WHO is GRAFTED into WHOM. IMO, Mr. Yu is to be avoided
The Bible says, “For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21).
What does that have to do with anything? Are all 66 books the Word of God? Please expound. Your comment made me curious as to your belief about your comment. Thanks. Be blessed.
@@almac664 hes saying that other than pauls writing in galations ( which people take as torah is done away with) the rest of the. Bible validates the law.
I think this issue stands or fall by our understanding of the new covenant. If the new covenant is 'new' and not an 'improvement' of the previous covenant, than I would argue that the old mosaic law also fell away with the old covenant. Also, if we are not under the law but have to keep the law, according to David, than he is saying that we should keep it and that there will be no punishment for not keeping it - this does not make it a law then.
The new covenant is indeed new but that doesn't mean the new covenant doesn't have any of the same elements. (same God, same people, same laws) God said of the new covenant that He would write His (God's) laws in our hearts and then put His Spirit inside of us and cause us to walk them (His laws) out. God's laws would no longer be written externally on stone tablets but on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. The new covenant is new and better because He has given us His Spirit and put His laws inside of us instead of outside of us. The new covenant was sealed with different blood, the blood of the actual lamb of God. These are better promises. Yeshua is an eternal sacrifice and an eternal priest. This is all new and better. We enter into God's covenant through faith in Yeshua. He then puts His Spirit in us and causes us to walk out His commandments. If we fail, we have an advocate, Yeshua. If we confess our sins (transgressions of His law), then He is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. *But what if Satan convinces us there is no law, that we can do what is right in our own eyes?* We will be picking and choosing which laws we decide are still valid...but it's not up to us. The man of lawlessness is called that for a reason. The saints are defined as those who: keep the commandments of God AND faith in Jesus (Revelation 14). We are so close to the end that people think Satan is deceiving us into OBEYING God's commandments! Yeah, that's what Satan wants....for us to obey God's commandments.
There is a punishment for not keeping. Scripture tells us that SIN is transgression of the law. God punishes sin. Keeping the law does not save you don’t keep the law to be saved you keep the law because you are saved it is the evidence and fruit of your salvation . If you don’t keep it then you were never saved by grace through faith to start with.
Acts 15:5,10 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.” Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? Enough said.
Is the Torah observant man wearing mixed fabrics? I have not met anyone who advocates mosaic law keeping who truly tries to keep all the Law, including not wearing mixed fabrics, keeping the feast of booths, etc. This is a great debate though. Very excited to be watching it!
Mixed thread was cotton & wool. That was reserved for the High Priest. Context. It was Holy. Just as no man was to make up the Temple incense. Be blessed.
@@barryblackwood6050 Matthew 12:3-8 NKJV - But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: “how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? “Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? “Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. “But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. “For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
@@firstthessalonian6889we need to keep the sabbath because it is important to YAH and how we can show that we love him isaiah 58:13-14 If you turn away your foot from the sabbath from doing your pleasure on my holy day and call the sabbath a delight the holy of the LORD honourable and shall honour him not doing your own ways nor finding your own pleasure nor speaking your own words Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it. Moreover just because Jesus is lord of the Sabbath doesn't mean he changed it in fact he told the disciples to pray that they might keep it Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day
Tony Yu is the iconic contemporary, mainstream, non denominational, evangelical Christian. Christianity itself is false because it usurps the commandments of God for the traditions of men. It’s astonishing how hypocritical it is. Don’t obey the law yet they use the law to call out and identify sin all while ignoring and dismissing the Sabbath law simply because it’s inconvenient. Yu is right in line with the false faith of Christianity.
Video mark 31:00 Mr. Yu begins to talk about peter and how he left the gentiles to eat the the Jews. Did Mr Yu ever consider the 18 edicts from the house of Shammai and maybe this was the reason Peter did what he did.
I have to keep in mind that Jesus was speaking to his followers which came out of the Jewish tradition So basically what I hear him saying when he said I didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it not only did he fulfill God's laws perfectly but he is also telling us go ahead and keep your culture I came to fulfill the gaps to give you salvation later Paul says the gentiles are not required to keep those laws The carpet or the veil in the temple was ripped into upon jesus's death I believe following Torah as a non-Jewish Jesus follower would put me in rejection of the Jesus I love... I personally feel this movement is a cult and I have seen friends disappear into this dark hole away from Christ away from God I believe it is not of God and I pray for people getting caught up in it
Claiming that the covenant is already changed because of Jeremiah 31: 31-32 is very convenient. Because in 33 and 34 it states “but this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Yahweh, “I will put my law within them an on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God. And they shall be my people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, ‘know Yahweh,’ for they all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” I’m not studied enough to know the ins and outs of end times prophecy but it seems clear to me that from the least to the greatest there are still those who don’t know him yet.
The sad thing about the 2nd guy’s arguments is that he sees the “Law” of GOD as being against us. But it says that the Law is Just ,is right, is perfect, is Holy. The Hebrew word Torah means teachings on how to live righteously. Teaching us how to do and be. But what was against us is the “punishment “ of going outside these laws. Which punishment was taken away by Messiah paying the price for us, for all who believe. Also if we Love Him , we will keep his commandments. It will not be a burden for us, but a joy because those “Laws” are now written on our hearts. They are part of us and not an issue at all. So based on a false premise, the 2nd guy’s whole argument is false !
Which laws are you referring to that Christians are to keep? Are you also including the trimming of hair/beards, touching unclean things/people, stoning adulterers/thieves?
Don't just pray. Pray and read the scriptures. Listen to the books of the Bible in audio and many chapters at a time to get the context. Too many Christians simply pluck out a verse here or there, that seems to agree with their position. No, listen and read chapters at a time u til a complete instruction is given. Also study LAW in the Bible and see how it is good. Confusion cimes because many Christians don't ynderstand that when a Pharisee said LAW, he meant the Oral Law - the Babylonian Talmud, which comes from their fathers. Also Under the Law is under the condemnation of the Law. How in earth would Yeshua come to redeem mankind from the judgement of sin and death because ALL broke God's commands, decrees and instruction so were condemned to death, to then turn around an nail the Righteous standard for living in a manner that demonstrates love to God and mankind, onto the Cross. It is illogical. It is by the Law that all are condemned. Jer 31:31-34, Hebrews 8 - the LAW which is good, will be written on our hearts by His Spirit. How is that done away with? When did God give Christianity the authority to pick and choose what to obey of His commands? Both Jew and nin-Jew have to be re-grafted and grafted into the Olive Tree. the covenant, the walk of faith and obedience that Abraham had. Matthew 5 demonstrates that God's holy Law given to Israel was to teach all nations how to do what is right in God's eyes, not our own. His definitions for good, righteous, holy, food etc etc Shema: To love God with all our hearts, souks and minds and to love others as we love ourselves. That's why the Law was given. Left to ourselves, mankind redefines thise meanings to suit our own self interest. Peace.
1Peter 1:25 says "the word of the Lord endures forever," quoting the old Testament. Thus, he affirms that all of God's word is for all time. And Jesus taught: Man shall.. live...by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
@paulcohen6727 1Peter 1:25 says, The Word of the Lord endures forever, “ quoting the Old Testament. ‘ but in a New Testament context. Listen to Messiah’s new 🆕 testament context: Matthew 11:13, Luke 16:16-17 ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ ‘The Law and the prophets were until John’ ‘; and the kingdom of God ( Luke 16:16; kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached ‘ ‘and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law ( the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ) to fail.’ Jesus was asked What Defiles A Man and Jesus answered Matthew 15:10-11-20, ‘Not that which Goes Into The Mouth 👄defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out Of The Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ In the Law ( of Mt Sinai ) The Ten Commandments give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28. Jesus was asked, no mention of the law, Which Commandments to Obey to have Eternal Life. Jesus said, Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s) Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is, ), Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19, labeled in Leviticus 19:18, defined in Exodus 20:12-17, mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, the second summary of the Law , effectively replacing using Both summaries of the Law as giving Eternal Life, Luke 10:25-28. Will you continue to follow Yah’s instructions spoken through Jesus, his Son? Because the word of the Lord endures forever?
Torah law has authority over a person only so long as he or she lives? Romans (Rom) 7:1 CJB All who have sinned outside the framework of Torah will die outside the framework of Torah; and all who have sinned within the framework of Torah will be judged by Torah law. (Rom) 2:12
ALL meats huh? Soooo do me a favor and eat a poison dart frog. Lol or go eat ANY toxic animal or bug. It's obvious there are stipulations on what is edible and what isnt. Thats jus using common sense.
I used to follow the Christian tradition until one day I read in Revelations: "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus." A couple of chapters later, I read :This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus." Where to church people get their teaching on how to behave? Not from the Bible; they get it by looking around and seeing what other people in the church are doing. But, shall we follow God or men?
If yeshua ever spoke against law he was sinning according to God he never sinned also priests would have had a legitimate reason to kill him no false witnesses needed
Christians generally assume that Jesus came to start a new religion. This is false; if he was anything, Jesus was an observant Jew. He taught the Law and followed it. We are told to keep his example. Jesus started a movement within Judaism, not something separate from it. I don't know any other way to reconcile the apparent contradictions in Bible that Christians create by following their traditions.
Galatians 3:23-25 defines that not being under law ,that happens when we come to the “faith” it removes the curse of the law, not the law. Without the law we don’t need Jesus since there is no transgression.
question for Mr Yu. If your position is correct then why did Paul in all three missionary journeys observe festivals, Sabbaths and new moons with gentile assemblies? it's as though he never got the memo from Yeshua! Remember that the timing of Yahs feasts are dependant on new moons.
@15:43 The word fulfill in Matthew 5:17 is a different word than the one at the end of Matthew 5:18 talking about heaven and earth passing. The word in verse 17 is plerosai and means to make replete. Replete is not a commonly used word in English, but it is best described as filling it up. The word in verse 18 is genetai and means to happen. So, in verse 17, Jesus did make Torah full by adhering to the true meaning of it even beyond the strict letter of it. However, heaven and earth have NOT passed away so that Torah can be modified as God sees fit. Heaven and earth passing away is clearly described in Revelation 21:1 after the devil is thrown into the lake of fire, after the white throne judgment and after death itself is thrown into the lake of fire. @19:06 Colossians 2:16-17 are addressing people who have begun following men's traditions and are judging those who still follow the appointments of God (much as how things are today). Verse 8 gives the context for verses 16-17. A counter-argument could be that following God's appointments have now become philosophical and deceptive, but that just doesn't seem to hold water. @31:34 The Bible never states that Peter ate anything unclean with Cornelius. His vision was not about food, but rather about Gentiles. Although marriage to foreigners was forbidden, associating with Gentiles was not. Foreigners who observed Passover and were circumcised were to be treated as one born in the land of Israel. @50:40 The nullification of the procedure by which we draw near (see korban) has been changed and is explained in Hebrews 7. That old procedure of bringing the blood of bulls and goats is nullified by virtue of the fact that Jesus' blood has now been offered once for all time. @51:03 If this better covenant has been implemented after the first coming of Jesus, then why do we still have teachers and why doesn't everyone know the Torah in their minds and hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). Why are there disputes among believers? Or do they suggest that Torah observers are not among believers? @1:00:18 The main argument that people use to refute observance of Torah is a straw man. The Bible makes clear that justification is through faith and that is the thesis of Galatians. We are not justified by our actions. However, we are sanctified by them through cooperation with the Spirit. Galatians does not attempt to address sanctification. It is merely concerned with believing Jews who were being told that they must adhere to Torah if they were to be justified. Torah, particularly the latter part of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, is given for our instruction in sanctification. If indeed a person believes that they are justified by Torah (or any deeds), the death of Jesus is of no effect for them and they are still dead in their sins.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13
Amen.
Old Testament. Written to Israel. Old Testament is to and for Israel. Doesn't mean we don't read it. We learn a lot. Mosaic Law requirements are not to the gentiles.
then how do you live????@@TexasGrandma2010
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Hebrews 8:8-13 shows the New Covenant is with Israel and only Israel.
When you enter the new covenant through Christ, you enter Israel and you receive a new heart that knows the Law of God and keeps the Law.
The old covenant Law and the new covenant Law are the same Law. The difference is the heart. The problem with the old covenant was that man did not keep it. The new covenant causes you to keep it.
If you are not keeping the Law of the old covenant, you cannot claim to be in the new covenant, since the new covenant is keeping the Law.
@@TexasGrandma2010If you do not consider yourself an Israelite then we would have to question if you are a child of God.
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:11-22)
“And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:17-21)
Tony keeps missing the point; observance of the law doesn’t save, just like Baptism doesn’t save.BUT, both Baptism and observing the Law are very important in terms of obedience and bearing fruit.
Very well said brother.
In fact anyone who is a studious messianic Torah observer know ‘there is no remission without the shedding of blood’.
We don’t think we can Torah our selves to salvation, the Torah itself says that. Yet it seems that most Christians think we believe that.
May יהוה (GOD) bless you brother. Forgive the late comment but I felt lead to share
That just smacked me in the forehead! ☺ No Christian has an issue or disagrees that we are COMMANDED to be baptized. Yet most Believers are offended and appalled when they're shown how God COMMANDED us to follow His Instructions for life, recorded in the first 5 books of the Bible.
I second that. Every scripture that he brought up were about us not being saved by the law or under the yoke of earning our salvation through keeping Torah. Yet, we are told that faith without works is dead. We show our faith through our obedience. I don't know any Torah observant Christian who claims that it is necessary for salvation. However, obedience is better than sacrifice.
When you guys say Torah, that’s like saying the mosaic law or law of Moses?
@@gamerChauTorah defines as instruction, from the five 5️⃣ books, not particularly only from written blocked instruction. Torah keepers don’t usually accept the Torah was taken away with the coming of the preaching of John the Baptist Matthew 11:13 ‘for all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Luke 16:16a ‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ . Most people don’t start from the teachings of Jesus Christ but from the teachings of Paul; such a shame😢.
Jesus went through life speaking the words of God The Father John 14:10. ‘The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy’ Revelation 19:10.
Jesus was asked what to do to have eternal life. Jesus said Keep the Commandments. We need to read more! Jesus was asked Which? Matthew 19:16-18-19: Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness : to others: or: to yourself: Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s:
Honor your father and your mother:
Love your neighbor as yourself. Matthew 19:16-19, the commandments to keep to have Eternal Life. The label is out of Leviticus 19:18, the second summary of the Law Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31.
Jesus defined What Defiles A Man Matthew 15:10-11-20. Under the Torah, What Defiles A Man and their atonements were spelled out in Leviticus chapters 5-22. Did Jesus explain these? Jesus explained ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄, but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defines A Man.’ By saying that, Jesus was giving notice of the Torah having been, until John.
Everyone needs to return to Jesus’s words.
Hey, new to this channel. My husband and I watched last night and he said you should have dropped the mic after your opening statement. After watching, Mr. Lu seems to have the same old arguments as to why we shouldn’t observe Torah. Admittedly, when we first came to Christ, new to the faith, we were in that same camp…but when we started to read the Word for ourselves, we started to have questions. We had no idea that people even kept the Sabbath or Feast Days. Once we were convinced of the doctrine of Jesus (He taught Torah), we left that church and after much prayer, the Lord brought people into our lives who believe as we do. 🙌🏼
Love to all.
@YashuaismyKing Jesus taught Torah ! [ instruction ]!
The Ten Commandments give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28.
‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ since that time [ the Law and prophets were until John Luke 16:16, prophesied until John Matthew 11:13 ] the kingdom of God ( kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’
Leviticus chapters 5-22 detail What Defiles A Man 😕, each’s atonement, and its punishment.
Jesus defines God’s latest definition of What Defiles A Man:
Matthew 15:10-11-20 ‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Yes 👏, Jesus, God speaking John 14:10, effectively took away the first - Leviticus chapters 5-22 - ‘that he may establish the second’ Hebrews 10:9.
The lawyer and Jesus admitted that the Ten Commandments give Eternal Life under the law of the Mt Sinai testament. Luke 10:25-28.
Without mentioning the law of the Mt Sinai covenant, Jesus said to have Eternal Life, Keep the Commandments. When asked Which . Jesus said,
Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s )
Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is,) ,
Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19, the second summary of the Law of Mt Sinai effectively taking away the Ten Commandments replacing them with the kingdom of God’s Eternal Life Law.
Jesus taught Torah, the Torah of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17.
The more I listen and learn from various teachers in what I'll call the Messianic movement and I to try to find a "gotcha" ( because as a Christian my whole life Im terrified to follow something that is some weird movement or heresy) Im convinced even more that following The Torah to the best of my abilities with The Holy Spirit's help is the way I should walk out my faith. Ive been ill for some time so ive had lots of time to take in a lot of info on TH-cam mostly. Im looking for a congregation near me and im blessed that it looks as though ill have several in my area to visit and choose from. ( im in Phoenix, AZ and theres some here and in surrounding cities! Who knew?!) My adult son, 20 y.o. ,cheerfully told me he could attend a Sabbath service withbme when I mentioned I found a few around us. My husband hasn't delved into learning yet, mostly because he's working a lot to keep us afloat, but he's open to everything I've shared with him and thinks it all mostly makes sense. So i know im blessed. A lot of people have no one that supports them when they begin to keep Sabbath and the Torah! Pretty sure the rest of my family isn't so happy about. Wait until I tell them im not keeping Christmas and especially not Easter! 😂
@ginayedinak6036 yes 👍 Yes 🙌 YES 👏 FOLLOW THE TORAH UNDER MESSIAH:
Torah defines as instruction.
Matthew 5:17-18 verse 17 ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill . For verily I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one 1️⃣ jot or one 1️⃣ tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.’
Matthew 11:13 ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.’
[ Luke 16:16-17 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John;’ ‘since that time - the prophets and the Law prophesied until John Matthew 11:13; ‘the Law and the prophets were until John’ Luke 16:16 - the kingdom of God ( the kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached, and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’ Luke 16:16-17.
Leviticus chapters 5-22 defines What Defiles A Man ( along with each’s atonement and punishment ) .
Jesus said What Defiles A Man:
‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Matthew 15:10-11-20. Jesus effectively takes away Leviticus chapters 5-22 and establishes his New Testament kingdom of God law of What Defiles A Man, speaking God’s Torah John 14:10.
A lawyer asked Jesus, ‘Master, what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life? He said to him, What is written in the law? How do you read it? And he answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and, your neighbor as yourself. And he ( Jesus ) said to him, You have answered right: This do and you shall live.’ Jesus confirmed ✅ that the Ten Commandments were to give Eternal Life. Follow.
Without mentioning the Law, Jesus was asked What to do to have Eternal Life. (2) Jesus said Keep the Commandments. He said to Jesus, Which? Jesus said,
Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s )
Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is,),
Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19 effectively replacing the Ten Commandments as the law giving Eternal Life to only the law’s second summary of the law as the commandments [ of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 ] which give Eternal Life.
Matthew 19:16-19, the second summary of the law Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31: Exodus 20:12-17.
Are we under the Messiah’s Torah ?
When Tony Yu was reading scripture, he injected the word "law" a bunch of places where it wasn't written. This is really confusing, or even deceptive, for anyone not reading along.
It was extremely deceptive, and he ignored context in many key areas. Context is king.
I'll take deceptive for $50, Alex.
I noticed this.
Especially in his opening statement
Context is king. The mosaic law was written to the nation of Israel to set them apart. The new covenant is a new and better covenant, and it is a curse to try to live in the old covenant. And why would you want to live in the old one when we have a better and newer covenant?
Did Yu really just say those obeying the most highs instructions are going to hell?! Wow. Great misunderstanding on his part. He needs to realize this is a brother in Christ and be loving to him and also LISTEN to what he's saying.
It baffles my mind when people say that. Scripture is very clear about the importance of keeping His commandments, and keeping the law is one of His commandments. The sad thing is those people who think that actually believe it.
That's the definition of a satanic lie. Only he and those under his deception will call good evil and evil good.
'It is good to eat of the fruit that God said you would die from, as a matter of fact, you'll be made just like Him, you won't die'
David simply shows us that Yeshua came as a Jew, honored His Father commandments, since the Great I Am is the highest authority. By the time of Constantine, those in political authority started chipping at the Faith once delivered. Gone was the true Sabath, the true feasts of YHWH, such assault on the teachings of Yeshua.
These are the people who longed to stone the woman caught in adultery in Moses’ name. They pretend to keep the law in pride & deception. Come to Christ.
Kate, that is what the Deciver does. It's number ONE task is to teach Torahlessness.
It was sin numer 1 btw.
Eeeek if you keep Gods Commands you go to hell? That is pretty sinister, what a deception
So if one is fulfilled in intimacy with their spouse, they shouldn't be intimate anymore??? It is finished? The relationship is fulfilled so we are done!!??? Wow....
excelent point
The three words "it is finished" are so twisted out of context.
Paul's epistles and John's record of Messiah aren't the gospel.
"As it is written"
But they don't look at how it's written, they just interpret the commentary of the new testament (which is what the new testament is) the last and only word.
@@Hebrew42Day - Thank you! The warning Christ gave of people saying they seen Christ here or there "dessert, and or secret places" does apply to Paul and John who claim that the heard/seen Christ in these places rather than "like lightning shining from east to west" (for all to see) as our Lord promised.
Fulfill means to abound in and confirm by walking them out
Tony Yu really butchered some of the laws he was trying to recite, totally rewrote them to his own liking to make them sound absurd. You shouldn't have to lie about what the laws are, as a means to refute them. And then to say that they were meant to be impossible to follow, when the scriptures say they are meant to be easy to follow? Too much rewriting of the scriptures was used by Tony to present his case.
Deuteronomy 30:11 ESV - “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
@@robertfrancis3733amein verses 12-14 says
It is not in heaven, that you should say Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us that we may hear it, and do it?
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it?
But the word is very nigh to you in your mouth and in your heart that you may do it. Which is funny because the new covenant which christians use to claim we dont have to follow it (it is written in Hebrews 10:16-17 ) literally says the law will be written on our Hearts
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
This is part of the Torah. How are we going to follow this today? I'm not being facetious...I genuinely would like to know what you guys think.
@@azarel7we Are Not under a theocracy ( God ruled government ) and have no such law; Israel was a theocracy at the time the command was given.
Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets ‘Think not that I am come to abolish the law or the prophets: I am not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For verily I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one 1️⃣ jot or one 1️⃣ tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.’ Matthew 5:17-18 ( all applies only to the law, not to the prophets also, as it says).
Matthew 5:17-18
Matthew 11:13 ‘for all the prophets and the law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13,
Luke 16:16-17 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; since that time [ the law and the prophets were until John] the kingdom of God is preached… . And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God, not of Mt Sinai, but the kingdom of God ] to fail.’ Luke 16:16-17.
Leviticus chapters 5-22 lists ways A Man Can Be Defiled, the punishment, and the atonement.
Jesus said, ‘There is Nothing Without ( outside of ) a Man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that Defiles A Man. … ‘because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly and goes out into the drought, purging all meats ( foods )? Mark 7:15, 19
Matthew 15:17-18 ‘Do you not yet understand , that whatsoever enters in at the mouth Goes into the belly, and is cast into the drought?
but those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart and they Defile A Man.’
These are which defile A Man, but to eat with unwashed hands 🙌 Defiles Not A Man.’
Mt 15:20. This is contrary to Leviticus 15:11 which commanded to wash the hands 🙌 after touching anyone or anything that one with a running issue out of his ( or her ) body has touched, even this Jesus was saying Does not Defile A Man.
Matthew 15:10-20, Mark 7:15-23 .
Jesus and a lawyer agreed that, In The Law, the Ten Commandments - You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself - give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28.
When Jesus was asked What Commandments to do to have Eternal Life, without mentioning the law, Jesus said
‘ 1:36 Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s )
Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is),
Love your neighbor as yourself.’
By Jesus saying Only the second summary of the Law, Jesus was saying that the first summary of the law - Love God and your neighbor as yourself together with each of the regulations that came from them - No More Give Eternal Life, nor are they obligated for believers to do, even to please 🙏 God, God speaking through Jesus John 14:10. Those commandments Jesus gives otherwise are not labeled as giving Eternal Life, but to go onto maturity such as in Matthew 19:21-22.
Hebrews 6:9 tells of things that accompany salvation ( you must have salvation first ); Philippians 2:12-13 commands believers to ‘work out your own salvation’ meaning you had to have salvation in order to work out your salvation. We are being saved 2nd Corinthians 2:15.
We shall be saved ‘receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls’ 1st Peter 1:9, Romans 8:19-23 the redemption of the body.
I think Tony is a genuine believer, however I don't agree with his understanding of scripture by ignoring other scripture relating to them. I will say that he is impressively creative in his defense of false doctrine. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to listen to this debate.
Ouch... "impressively creative in his defense of false doctrine" 😅
Its true though. All of Protestantism does that very thing.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33
"Here is the patience of the *saints* here are they that: 'keep the commandments of God' and 'the faith of Jesus'." (Revelation 14:12)
Tony Yu is one of those whom Peter wrote about of those who twist Paul's writings to their own destruction. 'as also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.' ( Peter 3:16) If the law (Torah) HAD been abolished, there would be no more penalty for sin, because sin is transgression of the law (Torah). 'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law (Torah) : for sin is the transgression of the law.' (1 John 3:4) And we read further that the wages of sin is DEATH (written to believers in Messiah in Romans 6:23) Well, Tony Yu and others like him, will have an unpleasant surprise when they are standing before the Judgment Seat and hear ; 'Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.' (Matthew 7:23) The reason that people are so deceived is because of unconfessed sin in their lives. There is no other explanation for it.
I am not going to watch the video but rather I would like to answer the question in the title.
Torah means Instruction. There are many instructions in the world. Some are instructions on how to put your Ikea furniture together. If we are specifically referring to Heavenly Father instructions then the answer is Yes, we should keep Adonai's instructions.
If you can't follow the instructions exactly then you have a faulty piece of furniture. But someone who can and does follow all the instructions for you, builds it, then you already have that piece of furniture and you dont need to revert back the the instructions. Im learning here but that's a terrible analogy. With all due respect.
Written to Israel. Was conditional upon Israel obeying the law. Using Matt. , Jesus is speaking to Jews. And not realizing Jesus said Je fulfilled it all, means it is done.
As it relates to what Paul said about Peter withdrawing from eating with Gentiles, we only have Paul's side of the story. Peter may have discovered that they were eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols and left for that reason. I can't believe Tony said it is a sin to keep the commands. That is very sad. That would make Yeshua and all the disciples sinners. He doesn't seem to understand the Dueteronomy 13 Test or the Old Testament because if he did he would know that if Yeshua changed anything to do with the law he would be a false prophet and not the Messiah. The New Covenant is to write the laws on our heart...to cause us to obey the commands; not to drive us away from them.
Robin Phillips AMEN
It was about circumcision, not the type of food.
The tradition of men, the Pharisees declared eating with Gentiles, even food declared clean by God, made one unclean.
The reason the Pharisees made these traditions, is the Gentiles often had dead relatives under their houses.
What does the law say about coming in contact with dead bodies?
This is why the Pharisees constructed a fence around Torah, prohibiting gentiles and Jews from mingling.
@robinphilipps2850 the Deuteronomy 13 test has to do with following those who deceive to follow a different God.
Jesus said: ‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13 ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; ‘ ‘since that time [ the Law and the prophets were until John Luke 16:16, Matthew 11:13 ) the kingdom of God is preached…’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law ( the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ) to fail.’ Luke 17:16-17. Compare Luke 16:17 with Matthew 5:18 of the law before the kingdom of God Torah Law.
God DID PROPHESY OF A NEW TESTAMENT Jeremiah 31:31-34. Yes 👍 the New Testament would include the law written in our hearts and minds Jeremiah 31:32 but Yeshua shows there’s more of a difference.
‘But you have an unction from the Holy One; and you know all things’ 1st John 2:20.
‘Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith sprinkled ( with the blood 🩸 of Jesus Hebrews 10:19-20 ‘Having therefore brethren boldness to enter into the Holiest By The Blood of Jesus, By A New And Living Way, which he has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh’ Hebrews 10:19-20 ) from an evil conscience and washed with pure water.’ Hebrews 10:22.
Jesus became ‘a surety of a better covenant’ Hebrews 7:22.
‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ ‘The Law and the prophets were until John; since that time - the Law and the prophets were until John Luke 16:16-17, Matthew 11:13 - the kingdom of God [ The kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ] is preached ( the kingdom of God replaced the Mt Sinai testament Torah ) and every man presses into it.’ Luke 16:16-17 ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law [ the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ] to fail.’ Luke 16:17.
Leviticus chapters 5-22 is the Torah’s definition of What Defiles A Man: its description, punishment, and atonement .
Jesus defines the kingdom of God’s definition of What Defiles A Man:
Matthew 15:10-11-20
‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth 👄 Defiles A Man.’ Mt 15:11. Jesus effectively replaced the Mt Sinai covenant Torah with the kingdom of God Torah.
The law that gives Eternal Life:
Luke 10:25-28 A lawyer and Jesus agrees that In the Law: The Ten Commandments - You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind and Love your neighbor as yourself - give Eternal Life. Luke 10:25-28. Matthew 22:36-40, Mark 12:29-31.
Matthew 19:16-18-19 ‘… Good master, what good thing should I do that I may have Eternal Life? And he said to him, …. If you will enter into life, keep the Commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said,
Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s )
Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is),
Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Jesus effectively replaced the Mt Sinai covenant [ Exodus 34:28 ] Torah with the kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 ( kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) Torah’s law that gives Eternal Life.
There are other commandments Jesus gives which he doesn’t say give Eternal Life, but lead to maturity such as in Matthew 19:21-22. Hebrews 6:9 there are works which accompany salvation: Hebrews 6:1-3, Romans 5:1-5, including growing in faith , and learning more about the Son of God Ephesians 4:13 some of which is in Hebrews 6:20. We are saved, upon belief, belief which works by love Galatians 5:6, we are being saved 2nd Corinthians 2:15, and shall be saved Philippians 2:12 ‘work out your own salvation’.
I'm convinced people who say the Law has been done away with, never read the laws. They are very good laws. The first time I read through them, with clearer understanding, I decided to follow them.
Lets use 2 laws for example, one law says, "Children don't strike your parents", another law says, "Don't take advantage of widows". So you're telling me, since the law has been done away with, I can strike my parents, and take advantage of widows? Again, I don't think Christians have even read them.
Is eating bacon and getting tattoos really that important?
Paul DIDN'T KEEP the law? Hmmm, let's see if that's true. Acts 24:14- But this I confess to you, that according to the way which they call a sect, so I worship the GOD of my fathers, believing all things that are written in the LAW and the prophets. Or Acts 25:8- Neither against the LAW of the JEWS, nor against the TEMPLE, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all. Or Acts 18:21- I must by all means KEEP this coming FEAST in Jerusalem.... Or Romans 12:12- ... for not the hearers of the LAW are just in the sight of God, but the DOERS of the LAW Will be justified. Or Romans 3:31- Do we then make void the LAW through faith? CERTAINLY NOT! On the contrary, we ESTABLISH the LAW! Or Romans 6:16- Do you not know that to whom you present yourself slaves to obey, you are that whom you obey, weather of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Or Romans 7:12- Therefore the LAW is HOLY, and the COMMANDMENT HOLY and JUST and GOOD. Or Romans 7:22- FOR I DELIGHT IN THE LAW OF GOD according to the inward man. Hmmmm, either Paul is a really confused person, or someone is twisting scripture! Let's see what God says. Deuteronomy 13:3-4 ....you shall not listen to the words of that prophet .....for the Lord your God is testing you, to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the LORD your GOD and fear Him; and you shall keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, listen to HIS VOICE, and serve HIM, and CLING to HIM! ....... So you see we are being tested! Seeds have been planted, and the seeds are the WORD of God. But the enemy came and sowed bad seed, which are tares, the Twisted word of God that Satan used to try to tempt Christ. They are allowed to grow together; but in the end, when Jesus comes back, HE will separate the Sheep from the goats. The sheep are the ones who listen and obey God's Torah; goats are the rebellious ones who hate God's word. JESUS IS GOD'S WORD! Matthew 5:19 whosoever shall teach others to break one of the least of these Commandments will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven, but whoever teaches and preaches these Commandments will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Yes!
Tony, may God bless you for stepping out to do this and defend your perspective. The only problem, is that Scripture just doesn't line up with your perspective. I know because I was there. No doubt you seek Truth. I pray your eyes, ears and heart can be open to receiving Truth.
Did Yu really say that if you try to keep God’s law you are cursed? So is he saying that if you are lawless you will be blessed…. Obviously not….but I’m shocked. How does Yu understand how we should live…only what’s affirmed in the New Testament?
He must be big into kidnapping and beastiality, since both of those are forbidden by Torah, but not commanded in the New Testament.
If he doesn’t kidnap and have sex with animals, he is keeping commandments only found in Torah, and therefore, is under the Law and abed to hell (according to his own reckoning.)
If course, we should keep all of God’s commandments in the Law, and His grace is for when we fail. And our faith in Christ changes our hearts to better obey his commands.
Keeping the parts of the Torah that we can keep is NOT keeping the Torah. People that claim to be Torah Observant are fooling themselves. Here is what is wrong. Scriptures, like in John 14 and 15, “if you love Me then keep my Commandments” are NOT talking about the Torah, they ARE referring to the Ten Commandments. Jesus when asked what the Greatest Commandment was quoted Deuteronomy 6, love God and love your neighbor, just prior to this is Deuteronomy 5, the Ten Commandments!!! Hallelujah!!! Love God and love your neighbor summarizes the Ten Commandments. They were written in Stone by God Himself AND they were in the Ark of the Covenant. The Law was written by MOSES with God on PAPER, not STONE.
Jesus didn't say that if you love me you will follow ten of my commandments.
When God was giving the law from Mount Sinai he brought them all to the base of the mountain and was giving it to them verbally, they all could hear him. When he got to ten they were afraid and asked that God not continue to speak to them. They asked Moses to receive it from Gods mouth and give it to them and they would do it. If you think only the Ten Commandments need to be kept. Then why does the church today teach that homosexuality is a sin and shouldn’t be done? It’s not one of the ten my friend. But it is one of Gods commandments. So i think you might want to go study some more.
Shabbat Shalom and blessings brother. Excellent debate. Hebraic thought and eyes will always lead to biblical truth. Hellenistic thought and eyes just lead to confusion. Context, context, context the three most important tools for reading scripture once you have your Hebraic spectacles on. Tony Yu owned.....In love of course. Blessings brother. David (UK)
Oh and there are some animals that if we eat them we would die, such as a Poison dart frog. Other foods although not deathly are simply not good for you and do not support health in humans. Therefore our loving Creator told us what to eat and what not to eat.
I just started a week ago to not eat unclean things... With YAH, all things are possible.
Unfortunately one cannot rationalize/argue anyone into or out of belief.
These issues do not determine salvation as Tony incorrectly asserts.
We do not follow Torah to achieve salvation, no, we follow Torah because we have been saved and our Yeshua/Salvation followed the Law. I know no one who attempts to force anyone to follow the Torah. It’s true that we cannot fulfill the Law. Tony mixes up the teaching of men with the Torah and forgets that most of us are not in Israel and so we cannot keep many of the Torah. I maintain that it is the Father’s Will for us to love Him and Love His Son, Who He sent as our Yeshua/Salvation. If we do love Him, we will follow His example by following the Torah.
Spot on, I agree. In some ways he seems anti semitic.
He fulfilled the Law. It is no more. We have a new covenant in Christ.
@@TexasGrandma2010what does Jesus say?
@shabbatsongs4801 Torah and its lawyers admit the Ten Commandments of the Torah give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28. If you don’t keep the Ten Words for Eternal Life you deceive yourself. That doesn’t mean that you don’t need to add faith to obedience.!
If you love God The Father and his Son Jesus Christ you violate Exodus 20:3 ‘You shall have no other gods before me’, Isaiah 42:8 ‘my glory I will not give to ( share with? ) another’: ‘for the Father Judges No Man but has committed all judgment to the Son’ John 5:22 ‘and has given him authority to execute Judgment also for he is the Son of Man.’ John 5:27.
What defiles A Man:
Leviticus chapters 5-22 defines what defiles, punishment, and atonement.
Jesus said [ after he had said ‘for all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ Matthew 11:13, Luke 16:16-17 ] Matthew 15:10-11-20‘Not that which Goes Into the mouth 👄 Defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out of the Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’ Jesus effectively took away the first, Leviticus chapters 5-22, by establishing his definition, speaking the Father’s Word John 14:10, of What Defiles A Man in the kingdom of heaven Matthew 11:13, 3, 4:17, kingdom of God Luke 16:16-17 Torah.
Ive come to a conclusion that torah still stands in good discernment
Has heaven and earth passed
So tell me how one keeps 613 laws or even memorizes them?
@@mandy7833You do understand that living anywhere in this world, man has put a lot more than 613 laws in your face that you must obey or have a penalty. How could you complain about 613? How blessed is our God that these are His laws and has only put that many for us to obey? How freeing is the law when if it was all we had? Israel complained about the law and wanted a king like other nations. Men who put us under bondage and not freeing us like God does.
Please think about how freeing it would be to be under God’s law and his alone.
Tony, NO....God didn't change the dietary law. Peter's vision had nothing to do with food. It had to do with Peter excepting gentiles as clean. But Tony thinks...oh, 10 years later after the cross God says hey, Peter you can eat a ham sandwich now. (SMH) Seems he never read the context of that entire chapter to see what is going on. And, we don't keep Torah for salvation. We keep it because we love our Father and want to obey him. It comes down to a heart matter. The best example of the Torah is a red light. When we drive, traffic lights keep us safe. If we drive through a red light we endanger our life and the lives of others. If you ran a red light and were judged and someone stepped in to take your punishment, you would be free of that punishment BUT that doesn't mean they would get rid of the traffic lights.
Charity Creech God will not condemn you for following the Jewish law ,nor will he condemn gentiles for what they eat.the main point is to be forgiven ,that comes from Jesus Christ,he will guide you as to what his will is for you.
@@kimhart8154 His will was written down, which is why He often said "it is written". He wanted to make it clear that what was written, was His will. He will guide you to what He has already written, and reveal to you that it is His will for you. It is not up to our interpretation of what we feel was put in our hearts. We need to read what was put into our hearts.
@@kimhart8154 According to Isaiah, Yah will indeed punish people who eat pig flesh, rats and the abomination. He said He will do this when He comes in flaming fire. He specifically talks about destroying people who are sanctifying themselves (setting themselves apart from the world) and purifying themselves (getting rid of sin) but who are also eating these unclean animals. He said he will do this at His coming.
When God said my people perish for lack of knowledge He meant it.
Matthew 15:10-11 Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”
@@dentoncarter8416 Read the whole context. The discussion is about eating without first ceremonially washing your hands. The Pharisees thought this made the food unclean.
Tony says Torah, the instructions and laws of our Creator, are bondage! He hasn't read Psalm 119, the LONGEST chapter in the Bible. Or how about James 1:25- "perfect law of Liberty" or 1John 5:3- "His Commandments are not burdensome". You see in order somewhere with Tony is saying you have to believe God is terrible oh, and he changes his mind. I mean after all if he's God and he knows everything why did he give an impossible law for thousands upon thousands of years if he knew they couldn't keep it? Not only that, but he said if you follow it it's life and blessings to those who follow and curses to those who don't. All the people who came before the cross were destroyed by God for not keeping the law; but then He finally realizes His major error, people can't keep the law. In fact the law is just a curse?!!! Wow I sure hope someone goes back to apologize all those people destroyed in the flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah, ananias and Sapphira, oh wait that's the New Testament?! What happened to God's grace there?..... "Now the serpent was more subtle any beast of the field God had made. And he said unto the woman; 'has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'... and the serpent said unto the woman, 'You shall not surely die!' (so Eve ate)....... Have you eaten from the tree that I COMMANDED you not to eat?.... What is this that you have done? And the woman said, 'the serpent BEGUILED me and I did eat'. ...False Christianity is based on Paul, TRUE Christianity is based on GOD!
Paul cannot nulify jesus
This is not true of Noah (talking to Tony Yu) God makes a distinction between clean and unclean animals when Noah is bringing animals into the Ark, this is simply not clearly defined in this part of Torah.
Right, had Noah and his family eaten of the 2x2 animals then we would be missing a lot of different animals in the animal kingdom. Eat one of the equine species, no horse now. Eat one canine species and so on. But of the clean, there were plenty.
there was only two (of the unclean animals)..and seven sets of the clean animals)....for sacrifice and eating)whilst in the ark....they were all kept to replenish the earth
My eyes shed streams of tears because Your law is not obeyed.
-- Psalms 119:136 --
Hebrews 7:26-28 NKJV - For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
@@firstthessalonian6889Hebrews 10:16-17
For this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days says Yah I will put MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS AND IN THEIR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM and their sins and inequities will I remember no more
In the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, and prodigal son: Jesus teaches repentance. Jesus said that heaven is filled with joy when lost people repent. Why didn't Jesus say heaven rejoices when people receive salvation, or when they believe in their heart... John the Baptist, Jesus, and his followers taught repentance.
I think Tony passed over Matthew 5 too fast. Sure, it says "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." THEN says "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So is this Tony guy TRYING to be the least in heaven?
In my experience alot of people do that. I myself did it, I think on some level deep inside there is a part that sees that passage for what it truly is, therefore one has to run through it fast as a means to not truly deal with it.
My other aspect is not all prophecy has been fulfilled likewise the judgements and certain precepts have yet to happen which is law. The government aka great white thrown judgement and king judgements must happen . So has all been fulfilled
Yeshua summed it up well "all the law and prophets hang on his 2 commands" love your neighbor love your God"
When you are truly saved you will want to live as he lived it will replace all your desires and TV will be taken down and thrown out
Does that include getting rid of your phone and computer?
@@lmordin only if used for nonsense
Replacement theology. (Not the kind that makes the church replace Israel)
churchianity, Belief that faith in Jesus makes you without sin.
Bible, our actions make us without sin. 1 Jo 3:4-10
They take verses out of context, he kept repeating Matt 5:18, and missed a key word.
*ALL* is fulfilled.
Has *ALL* been fulfilled?
Romans 3:31
Do we then abolish the law by faith?
CERTAINLY NOT.
great debate - good job David!
Thanks!
wow! This was killer, David seriously knows his bible! YAH bless!
David Wilber, if you see this maybe you could get in touch with Kent Hovind and ask him to debate you on the Sabbath or unclean meats.
Say it with me Tony. CONTEXT. Learn it.
I am starting a Messianic radio station online can i use the audio from this?
Go for it! I'd just ask that on your program you invite folks to check out my website for my info on my perspective. davidwilber.me/
He said the law was never the goal. But that’s exactly what rom 10:4 says. Jesus is the goal of the torah. Not the end
Acts 15 is good enough for me, no more confusion for me.
This
Those who teach on the Torah would be well served to actually study it to see what it requires.
Under the Law of Moses, the general rule, repeated numerous times in the Torah, was that Israel should ensure that the same law that applied to native-born Israelites also applied to the stranger (non-Israelite) who resided among the Israelites (Exodus 12:49). This would include the mixed multitude in the wilderness, non-Israelite servants living in Israelite households, and foreigners residing in their own households within the land of Israel.
However, there were exceptions where the law that applied to native-born Israelites did not apply to Gentiles living under the jurisdiction of Israel. One of these exceptions was circumcision. The Torah strictly required circumcision of Jewish males on the 8th day after birth, but those in Israel living in Gentile households were only required to be circumcised if they desired to eat the sacrificed lamb during Passover (Exodus 12:43-48). Passover was also one of the 3 annual biblical festivals that Jewish males (not Gentiles) were required to attend in Jerusalem. So Gentiles under the Torah were generally not required to be circumcised.
In insisting that Gentile believers did not need to be circumcised in order to become followers of the Way, the New Testament authors did not in any way abrogate or nullify the Torah. Under the Torah, Gentiles were not required to be circumcised unless they wanted to participate in the Passover feast in Jerusalem by eating the sacrificed lamb at the Passover Seder. The vast majority of Gentiles converting to Christianity during the time the apostles were writing most of the New Testament resided far away from Jerusalem, and as Gentiles would not have been required by the Torah to travel to Jerusalem for the Passover in any case. So to require these Gentile believers to be circumcised in order to join the body of believers would have gone far beyond what the Torah required of Gentiles living in the land of Israel, much more so any Gentiles living in other lands not in any way under the jurisdiction of Israel.
By contrast, Paul went to extensive lengths, taking a Nazirite vow, (see Numbers 6:1-21 to find out what that is) to defend himself against false accusations that he was teaching Jewish believers in the diaspora not to circumcise their sons (Acts 21:18-26). If those accusations had been true, Paul would have been false teacher endorsing the violation of a direct Torah command, as the Torah clearly required Jewish males to be circumcised.
The New Testament authors cannot be shown to have altered, nullified or abolished any commandments in the Law of Moses, including the commandment on circumcision, because the Law of Moses never imposed circumcision on Gentile households, except for those who desired to eat the Passover lamb in Jerusalem. Even this limited exception was only relevant for Gentile believers until 70 A.D., when the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, thereafter preventing anyone, Jewish or Gentile, circumcised or not, from being able to sacrifice or eat a Passover lamb.
Does tony realize how already keeps 95% of torah that’s applicable to him?
"no we never gave that command."
Does God have partiality?
Rom 2:11 KJV For there is no respect of persons with God.
"They cannot keep the law"
*Which law* ?
The heavy burden cannot be Torah. (Deut 30:11)
"God permitted him to eat every kind of meat"
The gentiles who twist this should be glad Noah didn't interpret as they do.
How many unclean animals were on the ark?
2.
What would happen if Noah ate pork sandwiches?
No more pigs.
"You may sell it to the alien"
The alien wasn't a Covenant keeper, like those described in the Bible as sojourning with the Jews were told what?
Num 15:16.
One law for the Jew and one for the foreigners.
Not two sets of rules.
Not two paths to salvation.
What the Christians preach today is the gospel of Simon Magus.
Thanks David for this interesting topic. I strongly believe that this misconception of Christians are not obliged to keep Torah is because the replacement theology (the church replaces Israel) which has been implemented for centuries is the root cause. We are indeed blessed to be this generation where Israel is resurrected in 1948, and this absurd issue of replacement theology should & must be addressed.
Shalom.
i agree with everything you said but the part about isreal being resurrected i don't. you will know them by their fruits.
I speak about replacement theology to various family and Christian friends around me and they just deflect in avoid the topic. I live in Weirton West Virginia next to Pittsburgh
Very few theological traditions sprout from replacement theology. The majority of them, who deny Torah observance mind you, still say that the church is unified with the people of God.
He who speaks against the law of God is a false prophet
"To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word,they have no light of dawn." (Isaiah 8:20)
Some Christians actually believe that if you even try follow all of God’s commandments you will go to Hell. This is what happens when you twist the word of God. The unpardonable sin is to follow God's ways??? The enemy must be loving how this deception is being accepted in the church.
so sad
For real though
The unpardonable sin is rejecting Jesus as the Christ
Tony’s ending statement made it sound like those who keep the law on our hearts don’t trust in Jesus. I have faith, love, trust and want to obey and do what is pleasing to him. I’m renewed ❤️
Amen!!!
I wonder what Ezekiel chapters 40 and on, discussing the millennial reign and the Levites, shabbat, sacrifices, new moons, feasts play into Tony's argument. I'm also curious why this is never mentioned in these debates both public and private.
I bring that up in conversations. Usually the response is silence.
People that are from the A-millennial group, tend to make it super allegorical. Anyone else gets agisn super silent.
What do you think about this will occur during the millennial reign but not beyond ?
@@timomarieshely God made an eternal covenant with the Levites. The Levites will sacrifice during the millennium and it seems on into eternity in the new earth (scriptures below)....but the sacrifices _do_ change. From the Mosaic sacrifices to the millennial sacrifices to the eternal sacrifices there are changes in each age.
In the millennial kingdom there will be sacrifices, including sin sacrifices (which I know can sound odd)(Ezekiel 40-46). Those sin sacrifices do not remove sin (they never did in the past and they will not in the future). Remember, where there is forgiveness of sin, there is no more sacrifice....people who have been in the resurrection/rapture who have new sinless bodies are already in the new covenant and already have our actual sin removing sacrifice, Yeshua who is also our High Priest). Those entering into the millennial kingdom in their sinful flesh (their sin has not been forgiven yet) will have sin sacrifices performed. Again, those sacrifices do not save/actually remove sin but they point to Christ and also seem to have something to do with purification while God is here on this earth in our midst. I'm still studying this deep topic. We'll see more clearly then.
In the New Heaven and New Earth (which is the home of righteousness) there is no longer any sin. No sin, no death. Those sin sacrifices cease. But does the Levitical priesthood cease once the new earth (eternal age) comes?
Look at this fascinating passage.
Jeremiah 33:14-22
‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that I will perform that good thing which I have promised to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah: ‘In those days and at that time I will cause to grow up to David A Branch of righteousness; He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In those days Judah will be saved, And Jerusalem will dwell safely. And this is the name by which she will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS’ “For thus says the LORD: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; *nor* shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ” And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, “Thus says the LORD: ‘If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there will not be day and night in their season, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, *and* with the Levites, the priests, My ministers. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant *and* the Levites who minister to Me.’ ”
Still studying all of this. God bless us.
Tony lost this debate.. Wilbur refutes every major point that Tony made, yet tony continued to kind of beat the dead horse on his points.. I think the church as a whole completely misses the fact that pharasees didn’t keep the Torah only parts of it and created an oral tradition for salvation and many other things commonly known today as the Talmud. Tony goes to straw man arguments such as stoning and others yet Wilbur pointed out that there is no temple, and no government that is set up to bring these small issues forward..God says over and over his law is easy, perfect for converting the soul etc... it’s just so sad that people ignore Gods word to live in the fantasy of etch e sketch Christianity.
You break one law you break them all. People that believe Christians should be observant to Torah have a very poor understanding of God's Word.
@@andrewlailvaux1571 Jesus kept the Torah, Paul kept the Torah, and the early Christians kept the Torah. So yeah, keeping the torah isn't sinful.
Andrew Lailvaux if keeping Torah is your means of salvation that passage would apply. However that concept shows why we all need a messiah who himself was able to perfectly live Torah and was given the authority to raise believers at the resurrection. If, through belief in Messiah, i have died to sin and I am no longer under the curse of the second death, shouldn't I want to know the Father's heart and mind and walk as He has directed through his spoken word (Torah) so that I'm not either on purpose or through ignorance sinning? Wouldn't the deposit of the spirit be guiding me to walk as Jesus walk? Didn't he walk Torah which is why he was considered perfect by the Father? I am not trying to live out Torah to be saved, but because I am saved I live by the spirit and as I turn from sin I am hoping that what my life produces is the fruit of the spirit.
@@kristicormier9435 Love what you wrote, Kristi.
When people bring up the stoning it makes me sad too, like they aren't realizing that 'all authority' has been given to the Son, that the Son is the judge. Even under the Levitical priesthood random people weren't picking up stones and stoning people. A trial took place, a judgement was issued *by the judge*/priest. Now the priest is Melchizedek and He will pass judgement on judgement day. Why do they ask if *we* stone people? We don't have the right or authority to carry out a judgement. Only Yeshua, the perfect Lamb, has the right and authority to carry out judgement. We are to separate from one who calls himself a brother while living in sin, in hopes that it will bring about reconciliation.
I am a Torah observant Christian, I will tell you no the law will not save, BUT the law is the created by God so that we remember what he hates so we don't condemn ourselves, this isn't just the 10 commandments but this also includes the levitical dietary kosher laws. There is food you can and cannot eat, you can have chicken, turkey, beef, venison, and fish as long as they have fins AND scales, the butcher also has to be a butcher that practices the kosher techniques of producing meat. You cant eat a cheese burger because that's mixing meat and dairy, and you cannot eat certain hamburger helper meals that require milk mixed in with ground beef, I have no idea where "all 613 laws" comment comes from anyways because not all of us are farmers, warriors, mother's, young children, nor priests, men cannot follow laws of women and vise versa so you're really not following all 613
Every scripture that he brought up were about us not being saved by the law or under the yoke of earning our salvation through keeping Torah. Yet, we are told that faith without works is dead. We show our faith through our obedience. I don't know any Torah observant Christian who claims that it is necessary for salvation. However, obedience is better than sacrifice.
Thanks for doing this video. Very well done. I've seen too many debates that were a total mess
Ugh…why don’t people read on. That was to show Peter that he could hang out with those that ate unclean food. An unclean bird is mentioned in Revelation. Pork has human DNA in it. The church doesn’t have everything right.
Tony lost in the first 3 minutes 🤦♂️ Was he listening to his own contradictions?
Can't believe this was 5 years ago,
Tony Yu quotes Mishna and added words to Torah. Nowhere does it say “cookware “ and accusing your opponent of wanting to fill his fleshly lusts? Nope. By belief in the Redeemer, we prove our belief in good works whereby all the Torah hangs on YAHUSHUA’s 1st & 2nd greatest summary of the commands (instruction). There was never a statement made, except by “Yu” saying that one is saved by the law. Contrarywise, belief without works is dead. To me, those who think they can just believe the Redeemer died for their sins, and then they can go fornicate, swear, cheat, lie, steal, covet, be drunkards, gluttonous , idolize (do you love movies, video games, sports and celebrities?) and who knows what else - are drinking the poison cup of disobedience in order to live in the flesh instead of walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:20-25). Revelation (Hazon) is clear on this.
Sabbath (7th day ) is not a shadow it points back to creation
Expiration date of the law? I thought God doesn't change his mind. The entire Bible is valid according to Matt. 4:4 and 2 Tim. 3:16 and others. Christians want to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.
Woah... Tony lost the debate at his very first point. He completely left out the "till heaven and Earth pass away" part. He literally skipped it... So as to avoid saying that the law cannot pass until HEAVEN AND EARTH pass away and all be fulfilled. He instead said the law will not pass, and the heavens and Earth will not pass until all be fulfilled. So even in his interpretation, the law can't pass until after the heavens and Earth pass.
Are you keeping ALL the laws?
@@mightylove Justification vs Saintification.... this is a very important distinction I feel many on both side miss.
The law was never given as a mean for Justification. And that was Paul's main argument, but in regards to Saintification, Paul tells us to keep it. Not that we will keep it perfectly but that is what we aim for, knowing that God's grace will take care of where we mess up.
I dont think its a debate, Torah keeping is Gods will. Its not about what we want, its about becoming righteous because God is righteous. The bible states we left Torah because of our sin, so no Torah is like saying yes, lets stay in our sin... Gods calling people to keep Torah, its happening all over the world I hope you're one of the many who hears his call and repents, and if you missed it, seek him on where you need to heal your heart so you can hear him. We need to stop following our will and seek Gods.
@47:00 if Noah had been eating alleats right after the flood, there would be no more of unclean animals. God only had Noah bring two of every unclean animal, and way more of the clean animals. If Noah had immediately eaten a horse, for example, it would leave one other horse with no mate or offspring. Noah did bring extras of clean birds, ruminates, and other clean animals. The obvious implication being that it was those clean animals he would eat and sacrifice, as some were also for that.
The very fact that God instructed Noah to bring extra of clean animals, and Noah didn't ask what those were, imply somehow he already knew God's law
Great debate, and it actually answered some of my millions of questions. Good job David! I am a new subscriber now.
im new to torah and can tell tony has acts 10 all twisted.
One of my favorite debates by David
Addressing Peter: In Acts 10:9-16, Peter was informed by God through a vision that he was not to reject the use of certain animals for food on a religious basis. The apostle Paul also writes, “For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer” (1 Timothy 4:4).
Wow, Tony took scripture way out of context and even was dishonest in presenting it in his closing statement but unless you know the scripture, you wouldn't know.
That is the basic fact that everyone misses. We simply don't know the Bible and is why we fall for doctrines / traditions of men.
Him taking Act 10 out of context just made me cringe.. 😑
Brother Tony is genuine like many Christians who struggle on these issues. I wish and pray that he would take some time to hear this debate many times and reflect on these passages prayerfully.
David, brother you were clear and kept yourself to the context and I was really blessed. May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob be praised. We can learn to think better as we challenge each other and spur one another.🙏🏽😀
All meaningful is repentance, due to the law of commandments.
Totally agree about spurring one another cowboy lol, just today I spurred someone calling a man Rabbi which Yehoshua Messiah says call no man Rabbi. I got bucked off quickly 😂. I am going to be using SPUR all weak!!!!!!!!
acts 10:28 unlawful for a jew to keep company with someone from another nation,.
the spirit showed Peter that Jesus new covenant has changed that law, that gentiles
are not to be considered unclean. did peter misunderstand the torah? Later, by the
way, in paul's epistles he says all foods are clean.
All food are clean. Pig is not food.
Peter was blind to that fact, God ALWAYS welcomed strangers/non israelites, its just that Israel constantly disobeyed Gods Laws and they kept oppressing the strangers, thus passing that line of thought to their kids
Paul never said that all foods are clean, can you give me scripture?
@@jonathandarnell5302 Neither is shell fish clean, cat fish, shrimp, dog meat cat meat, rats, birds of prey etc ALL are unclean
There is no command in the Old Testament that prohibits a Jew from keeping company with a Gentile. By the time of Jesus, there were extra rules and regulations from the scribes and teachers of the law and Pharisees that prohibited Jews from eating with Gentiles. But this was a man-made law, not a command from the Torah. Paul’s teachings on this issue was not a violation or nullification of any command in the Law of Moses.
So what is the Law? The Law, also known as the Torah, is the first Five Books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Within the Law, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, we have the Ten Commandments. The huge problem is that the Torah Observant do not differentiate between the two, the Law and the Commandments. With no Temple, no animal sacrifices, no actual Levites, no Ark of the Covenant, etc. etc. etc. we are fooling ourselves if we actually think we are keeping the Law. But Good News, Jesus NEVER said to keep the Law, He said to keep My Commandments. "If you love Me, keep My Commandments". The Ten Commandments are VERY, VERY relevant to all humans. Even non-believers have them written on their hearts. Jesus tells us that the Ten Commandments can be summed up in; loving God and loving your neighbor. This is the Gospel Message: Jesus Christ conquered sin and death and then He sent us the Holy Spirit. Once saved, the Holy Spirit of God comes into us, the Ten Commandments are Beautiful, the Holy Spirit is our Helper and our Comforter. Again, the Ten Commandments are completely different from the Law. The Ten Commandments simply mean to love God and love your neighbor. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, God is Love.
Again, all the arguments to not obey the law are from Paul. If one read the entire Bible without Paul, what would the conclusion about the law be?
Mr. Yu should do a scripture review of the following words:
º FOREVER
º GENERATIONS
º IF
Next, I would suggest that he figure out WHO is GRAFTED into WHOM. IMO, Mr. Yu is to be avoided
Great job brother. From a Baptist Pastor to a follower of My Redeemer commandments.
Shalom
Could you share some more of your testimony with us?
Praise Yahweh!
The Bible says, “For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21).
Unless people like Tony are so ignorant regarding God’s Word, i think the devil or traditions blind the spiritual eyes.
Ya know there are 65 other books other than Gallatians
Lol, so true.
What does that have to do with anything? Are all 66 books the Word of God? Please expound. Your comment made me curious as to your belief about your comment. Thanks. Be blessed.
Lol
@@almac664 hes saying that other than pauls writing in galations ( which people take as torah is done away with) the rest of the. Bible validates the law.
Tony yus arguments can easily be refuted.
I think this issue stands or fall by our understanding of the new covenant. If the new covenant is 'new' and not an 'improvement' of the previous covenant, than I would argue that the old mosaic law also fell away with the old covenant.
Also, if we are not under the law but have to keep the law, according to David, than he is saying that we should keep it and that there will be no punishment for not keeping it - this does not make it a law then.
The new covenant is indeed new but that doesn't mean the new covenant doesn't have any of the same elements. (same God, same people, same laws) God said of the new covenant that He would write His (God's) laws in our hearts and then put His Spirit inside of us and cause us to walk them (His laws) out. God's laws would no longer be written externally on stone tablets but on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. The new covenant is new and better because He has given us His Spirit and put His laws inside of us instead of outside of us. The new covenant was sealed with different blood, the blood of the actual lamb of God. These are better promises. Yeshua is an eternal sacrifice and an eternal priest. This is all new and better. We enter into God's covenant through faith in Yeshua. He then puts His Spirit in us and causes us to walk out His commandments. If we fail, we have an advocate, Yeshua. If we confess our sins (transgressions of His law), then He is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. *But what if Satan convinces us there is no law, that we can do what is right in our own eyes?* We will be picking and choosing which laws we decide are still valid...but it's not up to us. The man of lawlessness is called that for a reason. The saints are defined as those who: keep the commandments of God AND faith in Jesus (Revelation 14).
We are so close to the end that people think Satan is deceiving us into OBEYING God's commandments! Yeah, that's what Satan wants....for us to obey God's commandments.
There is a punishment for not keeping. Scripture tells us that SIN is transgression of the law. God punishes sin. Keeping the law does not save you don’t keep the law to be saved you keep the law because you are saved it is the evidence and fruit of your salvation . If you don’t keep it then you were never saved by grace through faith to start with.
Acts 15:5,10 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.” Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? Enough said.
I feel like without cross examination they are speaking past one another.
Is the Torah observant man wearing mixed fabrics? I have not met anyone who advocates mosaic law keeping who truly tries to keep all the Law, including not wearing mixed fabrics, keeping the feast of booths, etc. This is a great debate though. Very excited to be watching it!
Mixed thread was cotton & wool. That was reserved for the High Priest. Context. It was Holy. Just as no man was to make up the Temple incense. Be blessed.
@@barryblackwood6050 Matthew 12:3-8 NKJV - But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: “how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? “Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? “Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. “But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. “For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
@@firstthessalonian6889we need to keep the sabbath because it is important to YAH and how we can show that we love him
isaiah 58:13-14
If you turn away your foot from the sabbath from doing your pleasure on my holy day and call the sabbath a delight the holy of the LORD honourable and shall honour him not doing your own ways nor finding your own pleasure nor speaking your own words
Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it. Moreover just because Jesus is lord of the Sabbath doesn't mean he changed it in fact he told the disciples to pray that they might keep it
Matthew 24:20
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day
Tony Yu is the iconic contemporary, mainstream, non denominational, evangelical Christian. Christianity itself is false because it usurps the commandments of God for the traditions of men. It’s astonishing how hypocritical it is. Don’t obey the law yet they use the law to call out and identify sin all while ignoring and dismissing the Sabbath law simply because it’s inconvenient. Yu is right in line with the false faith of Christianity.
Both the old and the New Testament say constantly to keep his commandments and feasts forever
Video mark 31:00 Mr. Yu begins to talk about peter and how he left the gentiles to eat the the Jews. Did Mr Yu ever consider the 18 edicts from the house of Shammai and maybe this was the reason Peter did what he did.
Bro I caught how he blamed that on Torah Keeping yet that can't be found in the Torah!! He sadly can't even discern that..
Honestly, once keeping God's laws was compared to poison, it was hard to hear him out past there.
I have to keep in mind that Jesus was speaking to his followers which came out of the Jewish tradition So basically what I hear him saying when he said I didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it not only did he fulfill God's laws perfectly but he is also telling us go ahead and keep your culture I came to fulfill the gaps to give you salvation later Paul says the gentiles are not required to keep those laws The carpet or the veil in the temple was ripped into upon jesus's death I believe following Torah as a non-Jewish Jesus follower would put me in rejection of the Jesus I love... I personally feel this movement is a cult and I have seen friends disappear into this dark hole away from Christ away from God I believe it is not of God and I pray for people getting caught up in it
I totally agree... For me it would be a sin if I were to follow everything that was written in the Mosaic Law...
Claiming that the covenant is already changed because of Jeremiah 31: 31-32 is very convenient. Because in 33 and 34 it states “but this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Yahweh, “I will put my law within them an on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God. And they shall be my people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, ‘know Yahweh,’ for they all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” I’m not studied enough to know the ins and outs of end times prophecy but it seems clear to me that from the least to the greatest there are still those who don’t know him yet.
So Tony's argument would also say that Jesus also ended the PROPHETS in Matthew 5 as he ended the LAW how would that work
Where can I find a church that keeps the Torah
Check out the fellowship finder map on 119 Ministries' website.
The sad thing about the 2nd guy’s arguments is that he sees the “Law” of GOD as being against us. But it says that the Law is Just ,is right, is perfect, is Holy. The Hebrew word Torah means teachings on how to live righteously. Teaching us how to do and be. But what was against us is the “punishment “ of going outside these laws. Which punishment was taken away by Messiah paying the price for us, for all who believe. Also if we Love Him , we will keep his commandments. It will not be a burden for us, but a joy because those “Laws” are now written on our hearts. They are part of us and not an issue at all. So based on a false premise, the 2nd guy’s whole argument is false !
Which laws are you referring to that Christians are to keep?
Are you also including the trimming of hair/beards, touching unclean things/people, stoning adulterers/thieves?
both sides had good arguments. i really don’t know what to believe. i’ve prayed about it but it feels like i get no answer
Don't just pray. Pray and read the scriptures. Listen to the books of the Bible in audio and many chapters at a time to get the context. Too many Christians simply pluck out a verse here or there, that seems to agree with their position. No, listen and read chapters at a time u til a complete instruction is given. Also study LAW in the Bible and see how it is good. Confusion cimes because many Christians don't ynderstand that when a Pharisee said LAW, he meant the Oral Law - the Babylonian Talmud, which comes from their fathers. Also Under the Law is under the condemnation of the Law. How in earth would Yeshua come to redeem mankind from the judgement of sin and death because ALL broke God's commands, decrees and instruction so were condemned to death, to then turn around an nail the Righteous standard for living in a manner that demonstrates love to God and mankind, onto the Cross. It is illogical. It is by the Law that all are condemned. Jer 31:31-34, Hebrews 8 - the LAW which is good, will be written on our hearts by His Spirit. How is that done away with? When did God give Christianity the authority to pick and choose what to obey of His commands? Both Jew and nin-Jew have to be re-grafted and grafted into the Olive Tree. the covenant, the walk of faith and obedience that Abraham had. Matthew 5 demonstrates that God's holy Law given to Israel was to teach all nations how to do what is right in God's eyes, not our own. His definitions for good, righteous, holy, food etc etc Shema: To love God with all our hearts, souks and minds and to love others as we love ourselves. That's why the Law was given. Left to ourselves, mankind redefines thise meanings to suit our own self interest. Peace.
1Peter 1:25 says "the word of the Lord endures forever," quoting the old Testament. Thus, he affirms that all of God's word is for all time. And Jesus taught: Man shall.. live...by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
The word that endures forever is the good news , the gospel.
@paulcohen6727 1Peter 1:25 says, The Word of the Lord endures forever, “ quoting the Old Testament. ‘ but in a New Testament context.
Listen to Messiah’s new 🆕 testament context:
Matthew 11:13, Luke 16:16-17
‘For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John’ ‘The Law and the prophets were until John’ ‘; and the kingdom of God ( Luke 16:16; kingdom of heaven Matthew 3, 4:17 ) is preached ‘ ‘and every man presses into it.’ ‘It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one 1️⃣ tittle of the law ( the law of the kingdom of God Luke 16:16 ) to fail.’
Jesus was asked What Defiles A Man and Jesus answered Matthew 15:10-11-20, ‘Not that which Goes Into The Mouth 👄defiles A Man; but that which Comes Out Of The Mouth, This Defiles A Man.’
In the Law ( of Mt Sinai ) The Ten Commandments give Eternal Life Luke 10:25-28.
Jesus was asked, no mention of the law, Which Commandments to Obey to have Eternal Life. Jesus said,
Don’t murder
Don’t commit adultery
Don’t steal
Don’t bear false witness ( to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s)
Honor your father and your mother: and ( Greek, that is, ),
Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 19:16-19, labeled in Leviticus 19:18, defined in Exodus 20:12-17, mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, the second summary of the Law , effectively replacing using Both summaries of the Law as giving Eternal Life, Luke 10:25-28.
Will you continue to follow Yah’s instructions spoken through Jesus, his Son? Because the word of the Lord endures forever?
Aren’t the questions; Should a Jew who is a Christian, keep the Torah? And! Should a Gentile who is a Christian, keep the Torah?
Torah law has authority over a person only so long as he or she lives?
Romans (Rom) 7:1 CJB
All who have sinned outside the framework of Torah will die outside the framework of Torah; and all who have sinned within the framework of Torah will be judged by Torah law.
(Rom) 2:12
ALL meats huh? Soooo do me a favor and eat a poison dart frog. Lol or go eat ANY toxic animal or bug. It's obvious there are stipulations on what is edible and what isnt. Thats jus using common sense.
I used to follow the Christian tradition until one day I read in Revelations: "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus." A couple of chapters later, I read :This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus." Where to church people get their teaching on how to behave? Not from the Bible; they get it by looking around and seeing what other people in the church are doing. But, shall we follow God or men?
It doesn’t sound like Tony is listening or debating, but rather preaching
I thought the same thing.
If yeshua ever spoke against law he was sinning according to God he never sinned also priests would have had a legitimate reason to kill him no false witnesses needed
Yep, same goes for Stephen and Paul after Him. That's the sad irony of the usual christian interpretation of the NT
David, I am not sure whether you should put on a hut/cover your head when preaching.
Christians generally assume that Jesus came to start a new religion. This is false; if he was anything, Jesus was an observant Jew. He taught the Law and followed it. We are told to keep his example. Jesus started a movement within Judaism, not something separate from it. I don't know any other way to reconcile the apparent contradictions in Bible that Christians create by following their traditions.
The "foolish Galations" of Gal 3:1 has correctly begun their Christian journey (salvation by grace through faith) BUT they were beguiled.
Galatians 3:23-25 defines that not being under law ,that happens when we come to the “faith” it removes the curse of the law, not the law. Without the law we don’t need Jesus since there is no transgression.
question for Mr Yu. If your position is correct then why did Paul in all three missionary journeys observe festivals, Sabbaths and new moons with gentile assemblies? it's as though he never got the memo from Yeshua! Remember that the timing of Yahs feasts are dependant on new moons.
@15:43 The word fulfill in Matthew 5:17 is a different word than the one at the end of Matthew 5:18 talking about heaven and earth passing. The word in verse 17 is plerosai and means to make replete. Replete is not a commonly used word in English, but it is best described as filling it up. The word in verse 18 is genetai and means to happen. So, in verse 17, Jesus did make Torah full by adhering to the true meaning of it even beyond the strict letter of it. However, heaven and earth have NOT passed away so that Torah can be modified as God sees fit. Heaven and earth passing away is clearly described in Revelation 21:1 after the devil is thrown into the lake of fire, after the white throne judgment and after death itself is thrown into the lake of fire.
@19:06 Colossians 2:16-17 are addressing people who have begun following men's traditions and are judging those who still follow the appointments of God (much as how things are today). Verse 8 gives the context for verses 16-17. A counter-argument could be that following God's appointments have now become philosophical and deceptive, but that just doesn't seem to hold water.
@31:34 The Bible never states that Peter ate anything unclean with Cornelius. His vision was not about food, but rather about Gentiles. Although marriage to foreigners was forbidden, associating with Gentiles was not. Foreigners who observed Passover and were circumcised were to be treated as one born in the land of Israel.
@50:40 The nullification of the procedure by which we draw near (see korban) has been changed and is explained in Hebrews 7. That old procedure of bringing the blood of bulls and goats is nullified by virtue of the fact that Jesus' blood has now been offered once for all time.
@51:03 If this better covenant has been implemented after the first coming of Jesus, then why do we still have teachers and why doesn't everyone know the Torah in their minds and hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). Why are there disputes among believers? Or do they suggest that Torah observers are not among believers?
@1:00:18 The main argument that people use to refute observance of Torah is a straw man. The Bible makes clear that justification is through faith and that is the thesis of Galatians. We are not justified by our actions. However, we are sanctified by them through cooperation with the Spirit. Galatians does not attempt to address sanctification. It is merely concerned with believing Jews who were being told that they must adhere to Torah if they were to be justified. Torah, particularly the latter part of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, is given for our instruction in sanctification. If indeed a person believes that they are justified by Torah (or any deeds), the death of Jesus is of no effect for them and they are still dead in their sins.