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The Holy Spirit is definitely bringing up the remnant of Adonai by bringing it back to basics. It is amazing to me how the same message that we give in our congregation is repeated here… almost verbatim. I’ve never heard this gentleman speak till today ❤
Again brother Wilber a great video. When I heard Dr. Averbeck mention the unity of the Law I jumped out of my seat, that is a great conclusion. I have not heard a Scholar or preacher ever say that. I am not a scholar but arrived at this same understanding years ago and have endured criticism for it from church folks and pastor for quite some time.
Thank you for that interview brother. The gentleman has really good explanations and insights. I would still argue that there is only one law; the law of Christ is the same as Torah. Also, in Acts 15, although the elders pointed out certain things for new believers, James still mentioned that the Law of Moses is taught in the congregation every Sabbath. Which means that the new believers will eventually learn and do. Yah’s peace and blessings upon you.
I love this! Thank you David for doing this interview. I'm buying Dr. Averbeck's book now (actually buying 2, one for me and one for my father who is extremely knowledgeable about the bible but doesn't yet see the truth of the ongoing validity of the law of Moses. This type of work might just be the breakthrough needed. He's old school like Dr. Averbeck❤). Thank you, thank you!
The law was my schoolmaster ( gal3:24). It taught me right from wrong just as high school taught me math and language. I graduated from the law when I crucified the old man and was born again( eph4:22-24, gal3:25-29). I live my life by using the things I learned in school but I do not go back to school… The issue is practically no one understands or knows what grace is. Most will claim it’s “ the unmerited favor of God”! This is mercy…. Everyone has experienced mercy . Grace is the salvation of God that teaches me to avoid ungodliness and worldly lust and live soberly, righteously and godly in this present age(Titus 2:11-12)
Shalom and blessings, David and Richard. Thank you very much for the very informative discussion. Very pleasing to my ears and feeds my appetite for the Truth of Messiah Yeshua. We deny His Truth at our peril. Chag Sukkot Sameach. brothers. Shabbat shalom. Every blessing. David (UK)
Wow the difference between Yeshua's sacrifice, and the animal sin sacrifice makes so much sense! That also would explain why there would be a sin sacrifice during the millennial reign because Yeshua will be in our physical presence. I really enjoyed the analogy you made about the mud. That made it very simple to understand. Dr. Averbeck's book seems very interesting. I have been torah observant for about 13 years now. I'll admit I didn't know everything and his book seems like a good resource to understand some of the things in the new testament that seem to contradict keeping God's law. One last thing: when Dr. Averbeck pointed out that Yeshua was speaking to Jews when He said He did not come to abolish the law. He said if Yeshua would have said to get rid of the law the Jews would have immediately dismissed Him. This is one of the biggest reasons the Christians have such a hard time reaching the Jews. The second you tell a Jew Yeshua did away with the law they will dismiss Him as a heretic.
The fact that the New testament books were not written until approx 20 years AFTER Yeshua was here, only proves that the first believers in Messiah only had the Torah to live by, and Yeshua never told His disciples to abandon it. It is the Greek mindset that has abandoned Torah.
At about timestamp 7:00 another point is that many people that have been grafted onto the family of Ha-Shem, understand things from a Hebraic mindset,to the Greek or Hellenistic mindset. Just my prayer thoughts whilst watching. 🛐🔎✒️📜🫀🔍👂👣🖖 ps: Shalom and blessings to All this Yom Kippur
Deuteronomy 6:1 (Moses speaking to all Israel from 5:1 including the 'ten commandments' ) 6:1 "Now this the commandment the statutes and judgements which the LORD your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe in the land which you are crossingover to possess" and if I understand the text correctly, he gets to it in verse 5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength" - that is THE commandment. The New Testament adds "with all your mind" - that makes sense because now the 'mystery' has been revealed & we can understand (that is, as we grow in knowledge & understanding of God's word) things of the Old Testament that weren't revealed to people of that day. 💒
David, in his discussion in acts 15 I get the notion that he doesn’t think the gentiles are required to be circumcised, keep the festivals and sabbaths, along with the kosher laws.. is that correct from how I’m reading Dr Averbeck?
Thank you for the interview David. I also was a bit confused when he brought up the Jerusalem council. He seemed to imply that Gentiles and Jews had a different walk when it comes to the law. Maybe I misunderstood. Clarification would be appreciated.
David animal sacrifices on the freshly level have been replaced by our ongoing atonement as described in Romans 8, having past sins atoned by Jesus at baptism.
“Some modern teachers say that Torah’s expiration date was the arrival of Christ”. Then why is it strict obedience to Torah is Christ’s custom? He goes to read and hear Torah in synagogue on Shabbat as was His custom. He taught people and never denounced or downplayed the authority of Torah. He said until Heaven and earth pass away not one Yod or tittle will pass from the Law (Torah). He would heal or forgive someone and tel them “go and sun no more”. Torah tells us what is sin, what are the limits.
I take issue with Averbeck’s position on acts 15/21 and 1 Corinthians 9. Gentiles cannot live a different life than that of Jews. There is one law for native and sojourners (Numbers 15). Also, I wished you would’ve pressed him a little on his response to the obvious problem of his take on Paul being a deceitful hypocrite in 1 Cor 9. He even noted the problem with his interpretation but his answer wasn’t an answer at all. Good interview otherwise. I enjoy you interviewing these scholars.
Would believers take the memo if it was worded like this?! "To the swine eaters, i became a swine eater so as to win those that eat swine. And to the clean eaters, i became a clean eater so that i win those that eat clean in Christ." 22... I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
I too found that Richard slid into the popular evangelical position regarding 1 Corinthians 9. He appeared to me, to want to maintain that Jew/Gentile distinction, even after salvation through Messiah. Mentioning that Jews are free to live their faith in Jewish ways and Gentiles "don't do that of course", and live out their faith in Gentile ways. Paul is quite clear about this in Ephesians 2 as well as Romans 2, passages which seem to stand in contrast to Mr. Averbeck's position. I do think David was wise though in not creating contention over this during the interview: he found a point of agreement and pursued that instead.
How do we keep the monetary part of the law? (Specifically the usage of "Silver" and "Barley"). For Example: Leviticus 27:16 [16]And if a man shall sanctify unto the LORD some part of a field of his possession, then thy estimation shall be according to the seed thereof: an homer of barley seed shall be valued at fifty shekels of silver.
That is talking about Assessing the value of the land based on how much seed it takes to plant it. Also how many years until the year of jubilee needs to be taken into account . Read that verse in the NLT and it’s way easier to understand.
There are two statutes to the law, righteousness and sin, and the skill is distinguishing when Paul means one or the other. Jesus fulfilled the law by faith not letter, and the temple represented heaven and earth until AD70, so the Temple polity was still an option until it was destroyed. This was mentioned in Galatians 5:1-7, which was reflected in Acts where both covenants applied. For Paul being under the law is under condemnation not jurisdiction, which refers back to Romans 5:12-13, and I explain this in my Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
@DavidWilber 👊YES!! I discovered something called the Clement Homily Books. Books that were penned by an early an Church Father held aside & private dispersed in the early church years. The internal evidence suggests they were originally written before most of the New Testament, because Peter was still eating separately. The commandments and purifications were still kept. Also Peter dispels myths of The Giants, debates Simon Mangus & more, explains Parables and so much more it unlocks the whole new testament. I started a channel to post free audio Books of "forgotten church history"; such as: Clement Homily Books, again which are 20 books of Peter's preaching and debates Also Didache and more to come. God bless you & yours 🤗
Hebrews 8:7-8 - "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second." God found something wrong with the Law, otherwise it would have produced the righteousness He was looking for. Paul describes the glory of the Law literally dung compared to Grace. The Rest of God is the righteousness God is looking for. Human morality isn't enough. God says to rest from our works, then we will be righteous and clean before Him.
God didn't find anything wrong with the law, a few reasons are: 1. Hebrews 8:7 - The word covenant isn't there in the Greek manuscripts. 2. If two parties agree on the terms of a contract, only them that break the contract can be blamed, not the contract itself. 3. Hebrews 8:8 says "For finding fault with them" - who is them? Them is referring to the fathers who continued not in Gods covenant v.9, the problem has always been with "them", the covenant is not the law, it contains the law. 2 Corinthians 3 - the ministration(diakonia), whether of condemnation or of the spirit, is the noun referred to as having glory.
41:00 - I don't find your analogy helpful or accurate because the temple sacrifices cover both the "mud" and the "relationship" through multiple different kinds of offerings. burnt-offering (ascension-offering) sin-offering (making-pure-offering) trespass-offering (guilt-offering) meal-offering (gift-offering) Both of your aspects of the situation are covered by these. So I would humbly suggest that you refine your way of thinking on this. The "cleansing of the conscious" must mean something different. Perhaps a clean conscience is what we get in our resurrection bodies?
If Matt 5v17-19 still stands and does not differentiate between Jew and Gentile, how can he say that Acts 15 say gentiles can live their gentile way and jews their Jewish way. Is there not one law for all, is there not no more jew and gentile but one new man, if the prophet say the law is on our hearts under the new covenant is that only for the jews then? I dont see Matt 23v1-3 being referenced in light of Matt 5v17-19, the first part of v3 especially
The enemy and men make divisions in the law. Separating old Testament from the new Testament. Bringing division. Scripture says Yah is One. This includes Yah, the Son, the Spirit, and His Word. They are all of One. No division. Division grows men's ideas, doctrines and the carnal mind's explanation of scripture, which is the absence of full Truth!
@@DavidWilberBlog ok thanks I will look it up . Also wondering about Acts 20:7 isn't it meaning the first of the weeks of counting the Omer ? Wasn't the word day added to the text ?
both testaments is for all the people that worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the Torah included, the church should be observing the laws as God gave them to Moses, A spirit has aligned itself with the teaching of God and outsmart the people, by having them praising only the Gift, the Lamb and forsaking the giver Father GOD himself, Each doctrine have their own laws, but nothing of Torah, the reptile outsmart them,
27:36 about the Jerusalem council. The way I understand acts 15 is this, they said that because Moses is read in the synagogues every Sabbath the gentiles should start with just those 4 things. The rest will come in time. I don't think they were saying that the gentiles should just obey these 4 commands and then live life as a gentile. Otherwise, what's was the point of bringing up the fact Moses is read every Sabbath?
I'm curious your formula for determining which books hold some authority I'm a long time troll of solberg's channel. Just curious about where you're coming from It looks like you fast quite often, so it's killing me to know how you'll actually afflict yourself tomorrow night😂. Ill be right there with you. The instant the sun sets
“To the Jews I became a Jew To those under the law, as under the law” Why do people make this an unnecessary redundancy? If those two statements are one, why make two statements when he doesn’t do this in the rest of the passage? 30:47
Would believers take the memo if it was worded like this?! "To the swine eaters, i vbecame a swine eater. And to the clean eaters, i became a clean eater so that i win them in Christ."
Still. When was the law of Moses in it’s entirety ever given to the nations? How many details of the law of Moses do you have to overlook in order to fit Gentile believers into the mold. Interesting observation Acts 21:20-24 Jews, which believe Acts 21:25 Gentiles, which believe
Something made the Law of Moses obsolete. And you'll be surprised. Righteousness and the obsolescence of the Law. A. First, the Bible's parallel definitions for 'Sin': Whilst many Law Adherents hate the New Testament, they so loved 1 John 3:4: "Sin is the transgression of the Law." Law breaking is sin. The other parallel is this: Rom 14:23: "...everything that is not from faith is sin." Faithlessness is sin. These two definitions are not the same, and they never cross. B. The Bible's parallel definitions for 'Righteousness': Fully observing the Law makes one righteous: "And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness.” [Deut 6:25] On the other parallel, a righteousness pattern after that of Abraham's faith: "... the righteous shall live by faith" (Hab 2:4; Gen 15:6). Again, these two do not cross. C. Righteousness: the ticket unto salvation. From here on, a distinction between the two tickets: One is a self effort ticket, the other is bestowed upon. 1. History tells us that Law-keeping did not bring Israel over to land of milk and honey. Their self-righteousness counts for nothing. But they found themselves in the Promise Land anyway because... a. the inhabitants of that land was extremely wicked, so the Lord drove them out. b. more importantly, God has made a wondrous promise to his son Abraham. Israel is told not to think too highly of their own righteousness right from the start. [Deut 9:4-6] 2. And yet The Psalmists wrote songs after songs of righteousness but that not their own: "Then my tongue will proclaim Your righteousness and Your praises all day long." [35:28] "My mouth will declare Your righteousness and Your salvation all day long, though I cannot know their full measure." [71:15] "They rejoice in Your name all day long, and in Your righteousness they exult." [89:16] "May Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy." [132:9] Note: They sang of the righteousness of God! 3. So why then does the Lord Jesus Christ refer his audience back to the Law for eternal life? Ah but notice a pattern: To the learned ones, He ushers them back to the Law. To the sinners, low-lifes, unwanted, etc - He says to them "Follow Me". The learned ones, if at all sincere, will see eternal life found in the Lord as per the Law: "You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me..." [John 5:39] 4. The Lord Jesus Christ came to Israel with a clear message: "For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." [Matt 5:20]. "Seek first His Kingdom, and His Righteousness" [Matt 6:33]. Clearly, there's something far better than righteousness by own works! This 'righteousness' isn't some New Testament fad. It began with Abraham. The righteousness of God upon a believer is patterned after it. Faith in the LORD, and boom - you are righteous. This irritates the heck out of the Law Adherents. It denies them their joy of boasting of works. 5. ('Righteousness of God by faith') > ('Righteousness of Self by works') The 'Righteousness of God' is more robust, is unmerited and incorruptible - it made the Self-effort righteousness inferior, and as a result - the obsolescence of the Law. The Ten Commandments is obsolete for salvation. At best, the self-righteousness is on par with that of the Pharisees but without Kingdom potential. D. Not under Law. Believers of the Lord Jesus Christ no longer under the Law of Moses. Law Adherents take that to mean 'believers are free to do whatever they want'. 'License to sin', they gleefully mock. Never. For Sin no longer has dominion over believers for they are no longer under governance of the law, but are under the governance of grace. (Rom 6:14) E. This is what grace does: "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone. It instructs us to: renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, ... as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. [Titus 2:11-14] A far cry from 'License to sin'. F. Unite both righteousness! You can't. One is superior to the other. They are incompatible. They will be like old wine in new wine skin. Like lukewarm water to be spat out. Besides, mixing the two forms a false gospel. Do you wish to keep the traditions? Go ahead. No condemnation. Be good and be well. But you wish to be (un)equally yoked by the Righteousness of God and Righteousness of Self-effort, this is what the LORD has to say: "I will expose your righteousness and your works, and they will not profit you." [Isa 57:12] G. But the Law of Moses is eternal, and there shall be Law observance in the future. 1. That Law isn't eternal. It has an expiry: when heaven and earth passes away. Or till it is fulfilled. "For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." [Matt 5:18] Compare that to the Lord's words: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away." [Matt 24:35] There's no expiry to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2. The Law that believers live by is the Law of Christ. "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law. To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law. Believers, rejoice! Yours is the Righteousness of God. That is your ticket to heaven. Keep the faith.
Nothing made the law of Moses obsolete, righteousness has always been by faith, God always keeps his promises, but none of that negates the law, there's only one law given, and the law of Christ is that law, as both the law of Christ and of God/Moses are the same.
Brother, I can see how this seems confusing to you. But, from a Jewish perspective there are no contradictions here. Yeshua was the living Torah. We are only righteous to our Father in heaven by his atoning blood on the cross. All other works are insufficient. That’s because whether we are aware of it or not we constantly break the Law. Whether it’s intentional sin or unintentional sin we are all guilty of it. Does that mean we should just stop trying to obey our Father and his begotten Son? No! We show our love and obedience to our Father by trying to obey his commandments, his holidays and His Shabbat. We honor our Father even though we remain sinners. Even the most obedient among us, one who states “I follow the entire Law” is not without sin. Without Yeshua not a single one of us can be made righteous and enter into heaven. Again, our Father still expects us to show love and obedience to both each other and His Torah. That is how He knows we truly believe in Him and His Word. Baruch Hashem.
We need the cloak , the covering that disclose the footsteps of God's Annointed Shepherd ,, Every word ,from God is beneficial to our souls ,lives and minds . I NEED TORAH YESHUA , HIMSELF . ❤NZ 🇮🇱 ❤
The Torah and gospel given to Abraham is still relevant, the law of Abraham is the law of Christ, the amendment given to Moses was due to sin and is the law of sin and death.
Galatians 3:19-23 (KJV) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Galatians 5:4 (KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace
The law was added to the promise. Galatians says very clearly that the law does not nullify the promise. The law was added 430 years after the promise because of transgressions, or to give us the ability to see transgressions until the offspring comes, which is Christ.
You first need to define which “law” you are speaking about. Jesus fulfilled the Law in Himself before God because humankind could not do so sinful as we are. By FAITH I am declared righteous before God due to my Savior having kept the Law I could not keep. Read the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Galatian church very carefully. I keep the 2 Commandments Jesus declared fulfilling the WHOLE LAW OF GOD. When I fail, I’m receive mercy and forgiveness by again placing my faith in my Savior who has never walked away from His love for my salvation. Thank you, dear Lord. I love you.
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The Holy Spirit is definitely bringing up the remnant of Adonai by bringing it back to basics.
It is amazing to me how the same message that we give in our congregation is repeated here… almost verbatim. I’ve never heard this gentleman speak till today ❤
Again brother Wilber a great video. When I heard Dr. Averbeck mention the unity of the Law I jumped out of my seat, that is a great conclusion. I have not heard a Scholar or preacher ever say that. I am not a scholar but arrived at this same understanding years ago and have endured criticism for it from church folks and pastor for quite some time.
Thank you for that interview brother.
The gentleman has really good explanations and insights. I would still argue that there is only one law; the law of Christ is the same as Torah. Also, in Acts 15, although the elders pointed out certain things for new believers, James still mentioned that the Law of Moses is taught in the congregation every Sabbath. Which means that the new believers will eventually learn and do.
Yah’s peace and blessings upon you.
Thank you David and Richard. Great discussion. Loved your 'friend's house' analogy. Shalom to you both.
I love this! Thank you David for doing this interview. I'm buying Dr. Averbeck's book now (actually buying 2, one for me and one for my father who is extremely knowledgeable about the bible but doesn't yet see the truth of the ongoing validity of the law of Moses. This type of work might just be the breakthrough needed. He's old school like Dr. Averbeck❤). Thank you, thank you!
Toda rabah , thank you very much.
Great interview! I'm glad more scholars are on the better starting place of asking *how the Law applies rather than *does the Law apply.
Shalom David! Great conversation. Thanks for sharing.
Wow this was such a great interview! It really does a great job explaining the compatibility between the law and grace.
Excellent interview, David. I especially liked the analogy of the muddy carpet. If you don't mind, I may actually use that!!
I have to think about the temple curtain ripping in the middle and Jesus saying it is finished!
A great interview, thank you both!
The law was my schoolmaster ( gal3:24). It taught me right from wrong just as high school taught me math and language. I graduated from the law when I crucified the old man and was born again( eph4:22-24, gal3:25-29). I live my life by using the things I learned in school but I do not go back to school…
The issue is practically no one understands or knows what grace is. Most will claim it’s “ the unmerited favor of God”! This is mercy…. Everyone has experienced mercy . Grace is the salvation of God that teaches me to avoid ungodliness and worldly lust and live soberly, righteously and godly in this present age(Titus 2:11-12)
41:36 I like this analogy.
Great video
Shalom and blessings, David and Richard. Thank you very much for the very informative discussion. Very pleasing to my ears and feeds my appetite for the Truth of Messiah Yeshua. We deny His Truth at our peril. Chag Sukkot Sameach. brothers. Shabbat shalom. Every blessing. David (UK)
Fantastic
Wow the difference between Yeshua's sacrifice, and the animal sin sacrifice makes so much sense! That also would explain why there would be a sin sacrifice during the millennial reign because Yeshua will be in our physical presence.
I really enjoyed the analogy you made about the mud. That made it very simple to understand.
Dr. Averbeck's book seems very interesting. I have been torah observant for about 13 years now. I'll admit I didn't know everything and his book seems like a good resource to understand some of the things in the new testament that seem to contradict keeping God's law.
One last thing: when Dr. Averbeck pointed out that Yeshua was speaking to Jews when He said He did not come to abolish the law. He said if Yeshua would have said to get rid of the law the Jews would have immediately dismissed Him. This is one of the biggest reasons the Christians have such a hard time reaching the Jews. The second you tell a Jew Yeshua did away with the law they will dismiss Him as a heretic.
The fact that the New testament books were not written until approx 20 years AFTER Yeshua was here, only proves that the first believers in Messiah only had the Torah to live by, and Yeshua never told His disciples to abandon it. It is the Greek mindset that has abandoned Torah.
Welp…got a new book to get! 😁
At about timestamp 7:00 another point is that many people that have been grafted onto the family of Ha-Shem, understand things from a Hebraic mindset,to the Greek or Hellenistic mindset. Just my prayer thoughts whilst watching. 🛐🔎✒️📜🫀🔍👂👣🖖 ps: Shalom and blessings to All this Yom Kippur
Deuteronomy 6:1 (Moses speaking to all Israel from 5:1 including the 'ten commandments' )
6:1 "Now this the commandment the statutes and judgements which the LORD your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe in the land which you are crossingover to possess" and if I understand the text correctly, he gets to it in verse 5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength" - that is THE commandment.
The New Testament adds "with all your mind" - that makes sense because now the 'mystery' has been revealed & we can understand (that is, as we grow in knowledge & understanding of God's word) things of the Old Testament that weren't revealed to people of that day. 💒
David, in his discussion in acts 15 I get the notion that he doesn’t think the gentiles are required to be circumcised, keep the festivals and sabbaths, along with the kosher laws.. is that correct from how I’m reading Dr Averbeck?
This is great now let’s discuss who the House of Yisrael might be today (scattered).
Thank you for the interview David. I also was a bit confused when he brought up the Jerusalem council. He seemed to imply that Gentiles and Jews had a different walk when it comes to the law. Maybe I misunderstood. Clarification would be appreciated.
David animal sacrifices on the freshly level have been replaced by our ongoing atonement as described in Romans 8, having past sins atoned by Jesus at baptism.
“Some modern teachers say that Torah’s expiration date was the arrival of Christ”. Then why is it strict obedience to Torah is Christ’s custom? He goes to read and hear Torah in synagogue on Shabbat as was His custom. He taught people and never denounced or downplayed the authority of Torah. He said until Heaven and earth pass away not one Yod or tittle will pass from the Law (Torah). He would heal or forgive someone and tel them “go and sun no more”. Torah tells us what is sin, what are the limits.
Those are great questions and points!
I take issue with Averbeck’s position on acts 15/21 and 1 Corinthians 9. Gentiles cannot live a different life than that of Jews. There is one law for native and sojourners (Numbers 15). Also, I wished you would’ve pressed him a little on his response to the obvious problem of his take on Paul being a deceitful hypocrite in 1 Cor 9. He even noted the problem with his interpretation but his answer wasn’t an answer at all.
Good interview otherwise. I enjoy you interviewing these scholars.
Would believers take the memo if it was worded like this?!
"To the swine eaters, i became a swine eater so as to win those that eat swine. And to the clean eaters, i became a clean eater so that i win those that eat clean in Christ."
22... I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
I too found that Richard slid into the popular evangelical position regarding 1 Corinthians 9. He appeared to me, to want to maintain that Jew/Gentile distinction, even after salvation through Messiah. Mentioning that Jews are free to live their faith in Jewish ways and Gentiles "don't do that of course", and live out their faith in Gentile ways. Paul is quite clear about this in Ephesians 2 as well as Romans 2, passages which seem to stand in contrast to Mr. Averbeck's position. I do think David was wise though in not creating contention over this during the interview: he found a point of agreement and pursued that instead.
How do we keep the monetary part of the law? (Specifically the usage of "Silver" and "Barley").
For Example:
Leviticus 27:16
[16]And if a man shall sanctify unto the LORD some part of a field of his possession, then thy estimation shall be according to the seed thereof: an homer of barley seed shall be valued at fifty shekels of silver.
That is talking about Assessing the value of the land based on how much seed it takes to plant it. Also how many years until the year of jubilee needs to be taken into account .
Read that verse in the NLT and it’s way easier to understand.
But to answer your question. We do the best we can with what we have with where we’re at 😊
There are two statutes to the law, righteousness and sin, and the skill is distinguishing when Paul means one or the other.
Jesus fulfilled the law by faith not letter, and the temple represented heaven and earth until AD70, so the Temple polity was still an option until it was destroyed. This was mentioned in Galatians 5:1-7, which was reflected in Acts where both covenants applied.
For Paul being under the law is under condemnation not jurisdiction, which refers back to Romans 5:12-13, and I explain this in my Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
The ceremonial laws have been fulfilled in Christ. The decalogue, dietary laws are still to be kept.
@DavidWilber
👊YES!!
I discovered something called the Clement Homily Books. Books that were penned by an early an Church Father held aside & private dispersed in the early church years.
The internal evidence suggests they were originally written before most of the New Testament, because Peter was still eating separately.
The commandments and purifications were still kept.
Also Peter dispels myths of The Giants, debates Simon Mangus & more, explains Parables and so much more it unlocks the whole new testament.
I started a channel to post free audio Books of "forgotten church history"; such as: Clement Homily Books, again which are 20 books of Peter's preaching and debates
Also Didache and more to come.
God bless you & yours 🤗
If the law does not apply to us : 1 Corinthians 14:34 .... as also saith the law.
If Leviticus 19:18 is written in/on the hearts of Christians (Jeremiah 31:33), then Jeremiah 31:32 does not make sense..and is confusing.
It's only confusing because you believe the law and the covenant are the same thing, when they're not.
Hebrews 8:7-8 - "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second."
God found something wrong with the Law, otherwise it would have produced the righteousness He was looking for. Paul describes the glory of the Law literally dung compared to Grace. The Rest of God is the righteousness God is looking for. Human morality isn't enough. God says to rest from our works, then we will be righteous and clean before Him.
God didn't find anything wrong with the law, a few reasons are:
1. Hebrews 8:7 - The word covenant isn't there in the Greek manuscripts.
2. If two parties agree on the terms of a contract, only them that break the contract can be blamed, not the contract itself.
3. Hebrews 8:8 says "For finding fault with them" - who is them? Them is referring to the fathers who continued not in Gods covenant v.9, the problem has always been with "them", the covenant is not the law, it contains the law.
2 Corinthians 3 - the ministration(diakonia), whether of condemnation or of the spirit, is the noun referred to as having glory.
Truly, Matthew 5:43 & Matthew 22:39 are not Matthew 5:44 & John 13:34..
41:00 - I don't find your analogy helpful or accurate because the temple sacrifices cover both the "mud" and the "relationship" through multiple different kinds of offerings.
burnt-offering (ascension-offering)
sin-offering (making-pure-offering)
trespass-offering (guilt-offering)
meal-offering (gift-offering)
Both of your aspects of the situation are covered by these. So I would humbly suggest that you refine your way of thinking on this. The "cleansing of the conscious" must mean something different. Perhaps a clean conscience is what we get in our resurrection bodies?
If Matt 5v17-19 still stands and does not differentiate between Jew and Gentile, how can he say that Acts 15 say gentiles can live their gentile way and jews their Jewish way.
Is there not one law for all, is there not no more jew and gentile but one new man, if the prophet say the law is on our hearts under the new covenant is that only for the jews then?
I dont see Matt 23v1-3 being referenced in light of Matt 5v17-19, the first part of v3 especially
The enemy and men make divisions in the law. Separating old Testament from the new Testament. Bringing division.
Scripture says Yah is One. This includes Yah, the Son, the Spirit, and His Word. They are all of One. No division. Division grows men's ideas, doctrines and the carnal mind's explanation of scripture, which is the absence of full Truth!
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Surprised david agreed with everything the guy said , or maybe he didnt but decided not to argue
I do not agree with Dr. Averbeck regarding 1 Cor 9 and some other comments he made. But this was not a debate. I was asking him about his book.
@@DavidWilberBlog ya that makes sense, thanks for clarifying . There was a lot of truth , I wouldn't need to pounce on where I disagreed
@@DavidWilberBlog I wish somebody would explain 1 Cor 9:20-22 though , because it confuses me
@@stillsearching4truth I explain it here: th-cam.com/video/H1crKyUDGi8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NBdDPexHlZxIpGAN
@@DavidWilberBlog ok thanks I will look it up . Also wondering about Acts 20:7 isn't it meaning the first of the weeks of counting the Omer ? Wasn't the word day added to the text ?
both testaments is for all the people that worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob,
the Torah included, the church should be observing the laws as God gave them to Moses,
A spirit has aligned itself with the teaching of God and outsmart the people, by having them praising only the Gift, the Lamb and forsaking the giver Father GOD himself,
Each doctrine have their own laws, but nothing of Torah, the reptile outsmart them,
27:36 about the Jerusalem council. The way I understand acts 15 is this, they said that because Moses is read in the synagogues every Sabbath the gentiles should start with just those 4 things. The rest will come in time. I don't think they were saying that the gentiles should just obey these 4 commands and then live life as a gentile. Otherwise, what's was the point of bringing up the fact Moses is read every Sabbath?
I'm curious your formula for determining which books hold some authority
I'm a long time troll of solberg's channel. Just curious about where you're coming from
It looks like you fast quite often, so it's killing me to know how you'll actually afflict yourself tomorrow night😂. Ill be right there with you. The instant the sun sets
“To the Jews I became a Jew
To those under the law, as under the law”
Why do people make this an unnecessary redundancy? If those two statements are one, why make two statements when he doesn’t do this in the rest of the passage? 30:47
Would believers take the memo if it was worded like this?!
"To the swine eaters, i vbecame a swine eater. And to the clean eaters, i became a clean eater so that i win them in Christ."
Offcourse that is only chair we have with all four legs intact - it was never done away with - never never never...
Still.
When was the law of Moses in it’s entirety ever given to the nations?
How many details of the law of Moses do you have to overlook in order to fit Gentile believers into the mold.
Interesting observation
Acts 21:20-24 Jews, which believe
Acts 21:25 Gentiles, which believe
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Amen.
Romans 9:4 vs. Romans 2:14
Something made the Law of Moses obsolete. And you'll be surprised.
Righteousness and the obsolescence of the Law.
A. First, the Bible's parallel definitions for 'Sin':
Whilst many Law Adherents hate the New Testament, they so loved 1 John 3:4: "Sin is the transgression of the Law." Law breaking is sin.
The other parallel is this: Rom 14:23: "...everything that is not from faith is sin." Faithlessness is sin.
These two definitions are not the same, and they never cross.
B. The Bible's parallel definitions for 'Righteousness':
Fully observing the Law makes one righteous: "And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness.” [Deut 6:25]
On the other parallel, a righteousness pattern after that of Abraham's faith: "... the righteous shall live by faith" (Hab 2:4; Gen 15:6).
Again, these two do not cross.
C. Righteousness: the ticket unto salvation. From here on, a distinction between the two tickets: One is a self effort ticket, the other is bestowed upon.
1. History tells us that Law-keeping did not bring Israel over to land of milk and honey. Their self-righteousness counts for nothing. But they found themselves in the Promise Land anyway because...
a. the inhabitants of that land was extremely wicked, so the Lord drove them out.
b. more importantly, God has made a wondrous promise to his son Abraham.
Israel is told not to think too highly of their own righteousness right from the start. [Deut 9:4-6]
2. And yet The Psalmists wrote songs after songs of righteousness but that not their own:
"Then my tongue will proclaim Your righteousness and Your praises all day long." [35:28]
"My mouth will declare Your righteousness and Your salvation all day long, though I cannot know their full measure." [71:15]
"They rejoice in Your name all day long, and in Your righteousness they exult." [89:16]
"May Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy." [132:9]
Note: They sang of the righteousness of God!
3. So why then does the Lord Jesus Christ refer his audience back to the Law for eternal life?
Ah but notice a pattern:
To the learned ones, He ushers them back to the Law.
To the sinners, low-lifes, unwanted, etc - He says to them "Follow Me".
The learned ones, if at all sincere, will see eternal life found in the Lord as per the Law: "You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me..." [John 5:39]
4. The Lord Jesus Christ came to Israel with a clear message:
"For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." [Matt 5:20].
"Seek first His Kingdom, and His Righteousness" [Matt 6:33].
Clearly, there's something far better than righteousness by own works!
This 'righteousness' isn't some New Testament fad. It began with Abraham. The righteousness of God upon a believer is patterned after it. Faith in the LORD, and boom - you are righteous. This irritates the heck out of the Law Adherents. It denies them their joy of boasting of works.
5. ('Righteousness of God by faith') > ('Righteousness of Self by works')
The 'Righteousness of God' is more robust, is unmerited and incorruptible - it made the Self-effort righteousness inferior, and as a result - the obsolescence of the Law.
The Ten Commandments is obsolete for salvation.
At best, the self-righteousness is on par with that of the Pharisees but without Kingdom potential.
D. Not under Law.
Believers of the Lord Jesus Christ no longer under the Law of Moses. Law Adherents take that to mean 'believers are free to do whatever they want'. 'License to sin', they gleefully mock.
Never.
For Sin no longer has dominion over believers for they are no longer under governance of the law, but are under the governance of grace. (Rom 6:14)
E. This is what grace does:
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone. It instructs us to:
renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
... as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. [Titus 2:11-14]
A far cry from 'License to sin'.
F. Unite both righteousness!
You can't. One is superior to the other. They are incompatible. They will be like old wine in new wine skin. Like lukewarm water to be spat out. Besides, mixing the two forms a false gospel.
Do you wish to keep the traditions? Go ahead. No condemnation. Be good and be well.
But you wish to be (un)equally yoked by the Righteousness of God and Righteousness of Self-effort, this is what the LORD has to say:
"I will expose your righteousness and your works, and they will not profit you." [Isa 57:12]
G. But the Law of Moses is eternal, and there shall be Law observance in the future.
1. That Law isn't eternal. It has an expiry: when heaven and earth passes away. Or till it is fulfilled.
"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." [Matt 5:18]
Compare that to the Lord's words:
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away." [Matt 24:35]
There's no expiry to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.
2. The Law that believers live by is the Law of Christ.
"To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law.
To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.
Believers, rejoice! Yours is the Righteousness of God. That is your ticket to heaven. Keep the faith.
Nothing made the law of Moses obsolete, righteousness has always been by faith, God always keeps his promises, but none of that negates the law, there's only one law given, and the law of Christ is that law, as both the law of Christ and of God/Moses are the same.
Brother, I can see how this seems confusing to you. But, from a Jewish perspective there are no contradictions here. Yeshua was the living Torah. We are only righteous to our Father in heaven by his atoning blood on the cross. All other works are insufficient. That’s because whether we are aware of it or not we constantly break the Law. Whether it’s intentional sin or unintentional sin we are all guilty of it. Does that mean we should just stop trying to obey our Father and his begotten Son? No! We show our love and obedience to our Father by trying to obey his commandments, his holidays and His Shabbat. We honor our Father even though we remain sinners. Even the most obedient among us, one who states “I follow the entire Law” is not without sin. Without Yeshua not a single one of us can be made righteous and enter into heaven. Again, our Father still expects us to show love and obedience to both each other and His Torah. That is how He knows we truly believe in Him and His Word. Baruch Hashem.
The Old Covenant does not apply to the nations. The New Testament is clear about this.
Romans 9:4 vs. Romans 2:14
Acts 21:25
Acts 15:5-20
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The Torah and gospel given to Abraham is still relevant, the law of Abraham is the law of Christ, the amendment given to Moses was due to sin and is the law of sin and death.
Can you expand on what you mean by the amendment?
Galatians 3:19-23 (KJV) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Galatians 5:4 (KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace
What law you think was added in Galatians 3:19, what was being transgressed? What is the context of Galatians 5:4?
The law was added to the promise. Galatians says very clearly that the law does not nullify the promise. The law was added 430 years after the promise because of transgressions, or to give us the ability to see transgressions until the offspring comes, which is Christ.
You first need to define which “law” you are speaking about.
Jesus fulfilled the Law in Himself before God because humankind could not do so sinful as we are.
By FAITH I am declared righteous before God due to my Savior having kept the Law I could not keep.
Read the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Galatian church very carefully.
I keep the 2 Commandments Jesus declared fulfilling the WHOLE LAW OF GOD. When I fail, I’m receive mercy and forgiveness by again placing my faith in my Savior who has never walked away from His love for my salvation. Thank you, dear Lord. I love you.
Do you eat Pork, shellfish or shrimp? Do you keep the Sabbath?