Read the paper from Dr. Logan Williams here: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/new-testament-studies/article/stomach-purifies-all-foods-jesus-anatomical-argument-in-mark-71819/FC869FEDFEB2425BEAC3029C21B5900A
I totally agree with Logan. I am a medical educated person and worked for years in a hospital and also nursing old people. With that knowledge I always read Marc 7, 19 as Jesus is explaining the physiology of digestion in a simple way for the people to understand. And with him saying: "thus cleansing all food" he's just saying, that all food will be cleansed through digestion. This it is, what you learn to understand, when you learn the physiology of digestion. I'd confirm this reading because of my education in that matter.^^ Good job. 👍 Btw. the digestion already starts in the mouth. The first breakdown of food occurs through saliva, which is added to the food through chewing. That's why it's so important to always chew food well. Then the stomach can break down the food much more easily.
Over the years Judah had let go of Messiah Yeshua but kept Torah. Christianity had let go of the Torah but kept hold of Yeshua. Now we see many jews and Gentiles keeping Torah in the name of Yeshua! Praise Yah! 🙌 Thank you David for your videos! Keep it up brother!👍
Yes I agree but at the same time God has used Judah to preserve the Torah. If it weren't for the jews, we would not have the Torah today. Judah has been disobedient to God and has been ruled over by other enemy nations countless times, and yet the Torah was still preserved through Judah.
You are truly blessed! I have been eagerly seeking answers on this topic with no definitive answer. Just yesterday at breakfast I was desperately searching for the answer and now you post this video. Thank you so much! Praise the Lord Jesus ❤
Having an adopted daughter that we recently discovered was a Russian Jews after having digestive problems, she was highly encouraged to eating more kosher as having food sensitivities toward unclean meats. The phrase is definitely an added passage in Mark. I try to avoid unclean meats myself but am convinced that it's not an issue to divide on.
Jesu didn't abolish unclean foods, we can know this because in Acts 10 & 11 when Peter has his vision just before Cornelius's people arrived, he is clear he has never eaten unclean food - if Jesus had abolished the unclean food laws then he would not have said this, further during the 40 days after resurrection and before ascension Jesus instructed the 11 opening their eyes to the scriptures and had He made all food clean then Peter would not have said what he said concerning the vision. The context of all this was that God was also for gentiles as well as Jews Acts 10:28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. - Don't forget that the status of clean/unclean did not commence post Exodus but Noah was told to bring 7 pairs of clean and 1 pair of unclean animals on to the ark.
Great discussion guy's! My take on this has always been that there is a distinction that is made between what is food, and what is not food. Prohibited animals are not food! in the context of Mark we are talking about whether foods that are not prohibited can be mishandled and ritually defile you, not whether animals that are not considered food can defile you.
I have been seriously contemplating this for years. Not only does Mark 7 challenge the antinomian interpretation, it challenges the pronomian tradition on how we keep Leviticus 11. (We pronomians are great at creating traditions) I am excited to hear others thinking about these topics and attempting to tease out what is actually instructed in the Torah. Great conversation guys!!
I don't think most outside Hebrew/Jewish culture understand the difference between CLEAN/UNCLEAN vs. PROHIBITED/NOT PROHIBITED which makes understanding Commandments regarding FOOD confusing. CLEAN/UNCLEAN has to do ONLY with RITUAL PURITY. PROHIBITED/NOT PROHIBITED defines what ACTUALLY IS considered FOOD according to YHWH. Obedience to Commandments IS submission to YHWH'S will. YHWH sets Laws for obedience & whatever other mysteries He chooses. Just bc something can be put in a mouth & ingested doesn't mean it IS food or that it SHOULD be food. As an Example group: (lamb, pork, goat, snake, 🖍 crayons). According to non-jewish culture (us), any above but the crayons can be food even though they also can be eaten & passed in excrement. BUT...According to YHWH only lamb & goat are EVEN considered food, the snake & pork is no different than the crayons. They ARE NOT food. Clean/Unclean have their own set of definitions according to YHWH in the Torah. There are No scriptures doing away with these Commandments, Yeshua did NOT defy The Father by re-defining the Torah or "nailing them to the cross." Quite the contrary! He came to uphold it & redeem us from the Penalty of Death. Matt. 5:17-19
The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! Old things fading away... Hebrews.
You are talking about two totally separate things. That voice told him that same thing 3 times and then 3 non Jews showed up. It later says that Jews are not to fellowship or eat with non Jews. But after God told him to not consider them unclean, he went and ate with them, and shared the gospel. Secondly, Hebrews is talking about the order of Melchizedek and the levitical order. It's talking about priesthood changing back to the original order of Melchizedek with Jesus as king and priest. The former priesthood restricted anyone from being a priest unless they were from the lineage of Aaron. Jesus wasn't from the tribe of Levi. That's also mentioned in Hebrews because she's trying to make the point that the old priesthood was temporary and not as good as the one we have now.
This is an admirable effort at setting the record straight on Mark 7:1-23. It makes many laudable points which demonstrate the fatal flaws within the traditional interpretation. However, I believe Dr. Williams too quickly dismisses the "it was never the case" argument as antinomian. 1 ) In Mark 7, we’re seeing Jesus fulfill one of Judaism’s expectations of Messiah: “When he, about whom it is written, lowly and riding upon an ass (Zech. 9:9) will come...he will elucidate for them the words of the Torah...and elucidate for them their errors.” -Genesis Rabba 98:9 Yes, the controversy is about eating with unwashed hands. However, it is worth considering that Jesus used the occasion to not only reject the Pharisee’s extrabiblical tradition, >>>but also to correct His audience’s fundamental understanding of dietary law.>A more plausible option is that Jesus is correcting His audience’s understanding of the source of defilement.>In Mk 7:20-23, Jesus says defilement comes from within a person, not from consuming food which is ritually unclean or inherently treif. Thus, defilement comes not from eating that which is inherently unclean, but from defying G-d’s commandment.>NOT the inherent uncleanness of some creatures. No creature (man nor beast) was created inherently unclean. Only G-d’s declaration in Leviticus 11 made some foods unclean to the Jew.>Jesus is correcting any misconception that some creatures were created inherently unclean and pointing out that any defilement comes only from the heart of one who eats unlawfully.>inherently unclean,>the words of Paul in Rom 14:14, and Peter in Acts 10:28, make it clear that foods were not created inherently clean or unclean anymore than men were. All foods and men are sanctified through the Word of G-d alone. Just as G-d declared some animals unclean to His people in Leviticus, with sublime symetry He declared G-dfearing gentiles clean to His people in Acts.
@@XavierPutnamit was abominable to those under the covenant, because eating those foods with break the covenant. For instance we have a clear command in the new covenant “what I have called clean, you do not call common.” In that moment did God call people clean, animals clean, or both?
@@MrGainesConsidering that Peter stated the vision was about people (Acts 10:28, Acts 10: 34-35, Acts 11: 1-18, Acts 15: 7-9), God was calling people that He had cleansed, clean.
@@XavierPutnam Consider, Dt 14:3 proceeds a rather audience specific statement in Dt 14:4-6. Whereas the rest of the passage might have made the more general, blanket statement, “These are the animals which >>>may be eaten,”>which you may eat:>that you may eat.”>God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
Yes! So the rebellion that’s already in a person that they use to justify eating unclean meat is what has already defiled them before they ate the prohibited meat. Exactly right! Wish more people understood that!
@johnnymcfalls1812 so what about when yeshua says we who believe are a new creation in him? And we strive to do better morally and physically does that count? I'm confused with all this.
“Unclean food” doesn’t exist. If it’s an unclean animal, it should not be considered food. If something is biblically considered food, it would necessarily have to be from a clean source.
I personally believe as R.L. Solberg on the issue of Jesus fulfilling the law at the cross, but I disagree that this applied to the health laws in Leviticus, and instead agree with you that the dietary laws and health laws are still in place. Because remember everyone: Peter's vision was not about food. He explains that later. It was about the fact that Gentiles were now acceptable and were not to be called unclean. It was visionary iconography that was presented to Peter. And it had nothing to do with clean and unclean food you put in your mouth. There still remains clean and unclean foods for the human body.
First step for me as well was seeing a difference in what is commonly taught in modern Christianity, and what the Word actually says. Blessings on your journey. There’s other people who don’t fall squarely into Solberg or Wilbur’s camp.
Seems as though you’re picking and choosing what you want or don’t want to keep in Yah’s torah. It’s either all still for you or it’s not. I’ll give you a hint. It’s still for His people today. Solberg is the last person you’d want to follow as his theology is totally off, just like the rest of the “church”.
@@jonathanschubert9052- this is true; however, do God’s Laws stand over anyone else’s teachings, or not? Also we need to remember that all the Apostles were believing that Yeshua would return in their lifetimes, so most extra-Toraic (and maybe some Torah Laws) rules were about to pass away (HEB 8:13). Sadly their generation did pass away without Yeshua’s Return, so we must go back to God’s Torah for clarity, not the Brit HaDeshah…🙏
I have a question, is GMO food considered clean or unclean, especially in US most of food is gmo, lets say 90 percent corn in US is gmo kilking billions of bees, and i heard long time ago maybe 10 or 20 years back that gene of swine was injected into corn, and they transfer genes between Animals and plants and vice versa, is that food clean or unclean?
For me and my house we avoid all pork food products, including porcine gelatin (if not labeled specifically ‘Bovine.’) This includes all marshmallows, unless they bear the Kosher ‘K’…🙏
@@shabbatsongs4801That was a thing to me to learn. Not only to avoid pork meat or even any other meat from prohibited animal, but also to avoid porcine gelatine, especially in yoghurts or gummibears. I love gummibears, but now I always watch out for such sweets with only plantic gelatine. Took me half a year to get used to it, but I feel much better since then.
Could someone point me to the source that helps explain how excrement is not unclean I know you pointed to and a prophetic book that claimed cooking meat using human excrement would be unclean but cow excrement was not… I’m just curious what your study is on that particular passage
Most religious Jews believe in a Messiah/Savior that will come and restore the Kingdom of Israel and setup his eternal throne/kingdom here on earth. However, orthodox Jews do not believe the Messiah is God or equal with God Almighty but a divinely appointed man (Like Moses and King David) under God's authority. Some religious (more liberal) Jews who do not believe in a Messianic Kingdom. There are many different views among religious Jews of the nature and entity of the Messiah.
Yeshuas sacrifice does not copy a Levitical sacrifice. No Levitical sacrifice could atone for intentional sin. His sacrifice fulfills what the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 points too if one wants to understand this through Leviticus, and the book of Hebrews emphasizes this.
@@DavidWilberBlog Well no. That's why I asked where the torah made legal that type of sacrifice. Can it be considered a sin sacrifice at all, within the terms of the contract?
There is no provision in the “law” that made His sacrifice legal as you say. His death is the result of broken covenant. There’s much more to it, as we know Yah’s plan to send His seed was revealed in Genesis 3, after Adam and Eve disobeyed. What I’m sharing is the avenue by which Yah chose to bring it to pass. Please read Genesis chapter 15. Yahuah takes Abraham outside and promises him his descendants shall be as the stars of the sky (v5). Yah then tells Abraham to get a goat, ram and 2 different birds. Abraham flays the 2 animals and sets them across from each other creating a path between. They are about to cut a covenant with one another. The parties walking btwn the pieces are acknowledging that what was done to these animals can be done to them should either party break covenant. Yah causes a sleep to come over Abraham. v17 “And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.” Yahuah only walked btwn those pieces, not Abraham. Yah was going to fulfill his promise/covenant to Abraham all by Himself, but it also meant He would take the penalty if it was broken. Now fast forward to Exodus chapter 19. Yah is fulfilling his promise to Abraham by gathering his descendants at Mt Sinai to give them the rules/specifics of the covenant. They agreed “all that Yahuah has said we will do”. Then we see them break the covenant with the golden calf. They broke the covenant, but because Yahuah swore by Himself, He took the penalty. They were then put under the law of sin and death until that Promise came. Yahusha frees us from the law of sin and death so we can come back into covenant, keeping Yah’s laws from a circumcised heart and His Ruach.
Im really curious how someone could come to all these conclusions and still be part of "the protestant tradition" If its a protestant church that is torah observant, then that makes sense. But generally protestant churches are bot torah observant.
The accurate translations is "purging all foods" not "purifying all foods" purging refers to the process of removing food from the body (excrement). Has nothing to do with God purifying all foods and doing away with food laws.
The rabbis aren't crazy, and it isn't wild when they use the word esophagus. Whether they're right or not is a different story. The reason they say this is because of Leviticus 11:43-44s use of נפשתיכם. Where most English translations render this as "yourselves, or your souls," they are, in light of the 42 prior verses of context taking that word to mean "your THROATS," an etymologically concrete meaning behind the word nephesh. Edit: See Psalm 69:1, obviously in Hebrew. English translations likely do damage here.
Under the law contact with the sick or dead or the sinner defiles a man , how come Jesus could do those things but not defile himself? Jesus is true Holiness...carnal things cannot defile true holiness How can not washing hands make it OK to go into the homes of a Gentile.. yet to eat a pig is as vile under law as going into a Gentiles house. Christ abolished one he abolished them all. They carry the same weight under law.
Yeshua could do that as he was a "priest." No different than the Levitical priests did. Yeshua didn't abolish the law, and Paul didn't either. Yeshua changed the priesthood, who you go to as priest, and what the priest atones with. He did not abolish any commands that would require one to need a priest. There was not a Torah command about eating with gentiles btw that was Rabbinic custom and likely stemmed from the attitude written in the book of Ezra.
He didn’t abolish any! “DO NOT THINK THAT I CAME TO ABOLISH the Law or the Prophets. I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17-18. Let Yah be true and every man a liar.
I can’t agree with you on lumping unclean animals and gentiles together. Unclean animals is here: Lev 11 Becoming unclean by association with human beings is a rabbinic ruling, not Torah…🙏
36 minutes in, I have not heard mention of the Rabbinic tradition (which I think is paramount to understand the situation) which asserts that eating permitted food while in a state of purity makes one holy, while eating permitted food while in a state of impurity makes one unholy/common.
The argument In 1 Timothy 4 goes back to chapter 1 vs. 3, people misusing the Torah. Food laws are a doctrine of God. A contrary doctrine that mentions abstaining would indicate a vegetarian doctrine.
Yes, foods. Per Torah, certain things in societies considered 'food' are 'not food'. People eat the garbage disposals of the world - in the US that is pork and shellfish. In many cultures they eat rats, bats, you name it. If you look at what the WEF/UN etc recommend, they are moving towards stating do not eat meat, and moving people into eating bugs.
It's really very simple. Not our law, not our covenant. You are clean already by his word. How can a dead man, alive by the spirit be defiled? The just live by faith.
That's a quote from Habbakuk where the unrighteous men are living without the Torah. May want to read the chapter ahead of that quote, and the next chapter of Romans.
Wow! That’s serious mental gymnastics! How can a dead man be defiled?!?! You are not dead if you’re posting a comment. Therefore your body, which is the temple of Yah’s Holy Spirit, can be defiled if you are eating things He declared are not food. Yes, the just shall live by faith, as originally quoted in Habbakuk 2:4. Yours is a Greek mindset of what faith is, which is merely mental assent. The Hebrew mindset of faith carries the idea of belief with corresponding action to what you say you believe. You have what James refers to as “demon faith”…“But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” I suggest you read all of James 2. You’re either Abraham’s seed or not. If you are then same house rules apply. Your understanding of covenant is far off.
Why would you believe that our belief in Yeshua’s Sacrifice, burial, and resurrection, isn’t an adoption/grafting into Israel (as Shaul/Paul says)? If my belief is correct, we are (by our belief) grafted into Israel. In fact, adopted into Yeshua’s Tribe of Judah, and therefore de facto Jews (regardless of rabbinical objections)…🙏 Further, since we are adopted, we are as subject (as any Jew is) to the Father’s Torah…🙏
If you read this quote about being dead to sin, from the New Testament, it only means that Jesus Christ died the punishment by the law that we would have been given. Therefore, we were saved from death by the law which we broke. In Hebrews 9, it states that Jesus Christ only came to die on the cross because we broke the old Covenant by not keeping it right. And so therefore we deserved death. He died the punishment that we should have been served. But what does Jesus tell us to do after that? He tells us to stop sinning and breaking the law. He tells us to go back to it and just like he says to the adulterous woman, " get up and sin no more." You cannot have faith without Torah. The entire belief in God if you read in the book of Exodus and Deuteronomy, what God tells. His people and Moses, is that they do not believe that what he says is true. They don't believe in following his ways, and that they will receive eternal death if they don't do it. And because they don't Love him, they are not following his ways, becoming obedient and a disobedient and rebellious world, which is why Adam and Eve fell in the first place. So the fact that we are told to go back to the ways of God in the Torah, which is his manual of instruction in Holiness, is to save through Grace, because he forgives us from being rebellious in the first place! And invites us back to him! Therefore for forgiveness and then repentance! But if you have faith but no repentance, then you have not given yourself truly to Christ. You have not allowed yourself to die to sin, and therefore like Paul writes throughout the New Testament, you're still a slave to Satan and you are not saved! You cannot be in salvation unless you walk away from your sin. And that takes works of action that require us to change all that we do, which means we have to go and live the Torah to learn how to do those things which are wholly unto the Lord first, and that is precisely how he says that we should show that we love him! The New Testament also brings up the example of Abraham and how he was righteous in his Works, and this proved his faith! It proved that he was who he said he was to the Lord God, which was loving and obedient! Faith without works is dead! And the works that the Lord God prescribes is his Torah!
Wow Wilber actually defends unorthodox truth ever so often....rare. Makin daddy proud! By the way no need to back up your teaching with scholars/studies/journals; God's word is all we need. Jesus never used famous rabbinical scholars to solidify his teachings; only the scriptures and real world parallel examples.
So, you think Jesus was being a legalist without trying to sound like a legalist? Downplaying the murderous Pharisees intention is just pure comedy on your part.
Read the paper from Dr. Logan Williams here: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/new-testament-studies/article/stomach-purifies-all-foods-jesus-anatomical-argument-in-mark-71819/FC869FEDFEB2425BEAC3029C21B5900A
I totally agree with Logan.
I am a medical educated person and worked for years in a hospital and also nursing old people. With that knowledge I always read Marc 7, 19 as Jesus is explaining the physiology of digestion in a simple way for the people to understand. And with him saying: "thus cleansing all food" he's just saying, that all food will be cleansed through digestion. This it is, what you learn to understand, when you learn the physiology of digestion. I'd confirm this reading because of my education in that matter.^^
Good job. 👍
Btw. the digestion already starts in the mouth. The first breakdown of food occurs through saliva, which is added to the food through chewing. That's why it's so important to always chew food well. Then the stomach can break down the food much more easily.
Over the years Judah had let go of Messiah Yeshua but kept Torah. Christianity had let go of the Torah but kept hold of Yeshua. Now we see many jews and Gentiles keeping Torah in the name of Yeshua! Praise Yah! 🙌
Thank you David for your videos! Keep it up brother!👍
They kept it physically in their presence but they stopped obeying Torah before Jesus's day. In fact he told them that they don't even know the Torah.
Yes I agree but at the same time God has used Judah to preserve the Torah. If it weren't for the jews, we would not have the Torah today. Judah has been disobedient to God and has been ruled over by other enemy nations countless times, and yet the Torah was still preserved through Judah.
This has been fascinating! Keep these kinds of interviews coming please!
You are truly blessed! I have been eagerly seeking answers on this topic with no definitive answer. Just yesterday at breakfast I was desperately searching for the answer and now you post this video. Thank you so much! Praise the Lord Jesus ❤
Thank you for this interview!!
Having an adopted daughter that we recently discovered was a Russian Jews after having digestive problems, she was highly encouraged to eating more kosher as having food sensitivities toward unclean meats. The phrase is definitely an added passage in Mark. I try to avoid unclean meats myself but am convinced that it's not an issue to divide on.
Jesu didn't abolish unclean foods, we can know this because in Acts 10 & 11 when Peter has his vision just before Cornelius's people arrived, he is clear he has never eaten unclean food - if Jesus had abolished the unclean food laws then he would not have said this, further during the 40 days after resurrection and before ascension Jesus instructed the 11 opening their eyes to the scriptures and had He made all food clean then Peter would not have said what he said concerning the vision. The context of all this was that God was also for gentiles as well as Jews Acts 10:28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. - Don't forget that the status of clean/unclean did not commence post Exodus but Noah was told to bring 7 pairs of clean and 1 pair of unclean animals on to the ark.
Logan’s legit! A very common sense argument. Thanks for the interview.
Was an amazing discussion. Love seeing your work David!
Great discussion guy's! My take on this has always been that there is a distinction that is made between what is food, and what is not food. Prohibited animals are not food! in the context of Mark we are talking about whether foods that are not prohibited can be mishandled and ritually defile you, not whether animals that are not considered food can defile you.
Exactly…when unclean animals are not specified in Scripture, but ‘food’ is, we should assume the writers are only referring to ‘clean food’ as ‘food.’
I have been seriously contemplating this for years. Not only does Mark 7 challenge the antinomian interpretation, it challenges the pronomian tradition on how we keep Leviticus 11. (We pronomians are great at creating traditions)
I am excited to hear others thinking about these topics and attempting to tease out what is actually instructed in the Torah. Great conversation guys!!
I don't think most outside Hebrew/Jewish culture understand the difference between CLEAN/UNCLEAN vs. PROHIBITED/NOT PROHIBITED which makes understanding Commandments regarding FOOD confusing.
CLEAN/UNCLEAN has to do ONLY with RITUAL PURITY. PROHIBITED/NOT PROHIBITED defines what ACTUALLY IS considered FOOD according to YHWH.
Obedience to Commandments IS submission to YHWH'S will. YHWH sets Laws for obedience & whatever other mysteries He chooses.
Just bc something can be put in a mouth & ingested doesn't mean it IS food or that it SHOULD be food.
As an Example group:
(lamb, pork, goat, snake, 🖍 crayons). According to non-jewish culture (us), any above but the crayons can be food even though they also can be eaten & passed in excrement.
BUT...According to YHWH only lamb & goat are EVEN considered food, the snake & pork is no different than the crayons. They ARE NOT food.
Clean/Unclean have their own set of definitions according to YHWH in the Torah. There are No scriptures doing away with these Commandments, Yeshua did NOT defy The Father by re-defining the Torah or "nailing them to the cross." Quite the contrary! He came to uphold it & redeem us from the Penalty of Death. Matt. 5:17-19
Thank you both for this discussion. Great content and lots to think about. Blessings and Shalom
The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!
Old things fading away... Hebrews.
You are talking about two totally separate things.
That voice told him that same thing 3 times and then 3 non Jews showed up. It later says that Jews are not to fellowship or eat with non Jews. But after God told him to not consider them unclean, he went and ate with them, and shared the gospel.
Secondly, Hebrews is talking about the order of Melchizedek and the levitical order. It's talking about priesthood changing back to the original order of Melchizedek with Jesus as king and priest. The former priesthood restricted anyone from being a priest unless they were from the lineage of Aaron. Jesus wasn't from the tribe of Levi. That's also mentioned in Hebrews because she's trying to make the point that the old priesthood was temporary and not as good as the one we have now.
This is an admirable effort at setting the record straight on Mark 7:1-23. It makes many laudable points which demonstrate the fatal flaws within the traditional interpretation. However, I believe Dr. Williams too quickly dismisses the "it was never the case" argument as antinomian.
1 ) In Mark 7, we’re seeing Jesus fulfill one of Judaism’s expectations of Messiah:
“When he, about whom it is written, lowly and riding upon an ass (Zech. 9:9) will come...he will elucidate for them the words of the Torah...and elucidate for them their errors.”
-Genesis Rabba 98:9
Yes, the controversy is about eating with unwashed hands. However, it is worth considering that Jesus used the occasion to not only reject the Pharisee’s extrabiblical tradition, >>>but also to correct His audience’s fundamental understanding of dietary law.>A more plausible option is that Jesus is correcting His audience’s understanding of the source of defilement.>In Mk 7:20-23, Jesus says defilement comes from within a person, not from consuming food which is ritually unclean or inherently treif. Thus, defilement comes not from eating that which is inherently unclean, but from defying G-d’s commandment.>NOT the inherent uncleanness of some creatures. No creature (man nor beast) was created inherently unclean. Only G-d’s declaration in Leviticus 11 made some foods unclean to the Jew.>Jesus is correcting any misconception that some creatures were created inherently unclean and pointing out that any defilement comes only from the heart of one who eats unlawfully.>inherently unclean,>the words of Paul in Rom 14:14, and Peter in Acts 10:28, make it clear that foods were not created inherently clean or unclean anymore than men were. All foods and men are sanctified through the Word of G-d alone. Just as G-d declared some animals unclean to His people in Leviticus, with sublime symetry He declared G-dfearing gentiles clean to His people in Acts.
What do you think about unclean animals being called an “abominable thing” (Deuteronomy 14:3)? Not “abominable to you,” but just “abominable.”
@@XavierPutnamit was abominable to those under the covenant, because eating those foods with break the covenant. For instance we have a clear command in the new covenant “what I have called clean, you do not call common.” In that moment did God call people clean, animals clean, or both?
@@MrGainesConsidering that Peter stated the vision was about people (Acts 10:28, Acts 10: 34-35, Acts 11: 1-18, Acts 15: 7-9), God was calling people that He had cleansed, clean.
@@XavierPutnam
Consider, Dt 14:3 proceeds a rather audience specific statement in Dt 14:4-6. Whereas the rest of the passage might have made the more general, blanket statement, “These are the animals which >>>may be eaten,”>which you may eat:>that you may eat.”>God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
Key Word All Foods What Did He Consider Food
What goes into the body doesn't defile you,but what comes out. Hebrews Hate,violence,lies,gossip,etc.
Yes! So the rebellion that’s already in a person that they use to justify eating unclean meat is what has already defiled them before they ate the prohibited meat. Exactly right! Wish more people understood that!
@johnnymcfalls1812 so what about when yeshua says we who believe are a new creation in him? And we strive to do better morally and physically does that count? I'm confused with all this.
@@DaniellaR-xp4cp WE still don't eat unclean foods,keep yourself clean cause He His Spirit dwells in us. Read the other comment before yours.
@DaniellaR-xp4cp That was your first comment duh.
Never mind the was Johnny's. Lol
“Unclean food” doesn’t exist. If it’s an unclean animal, it should not be considered food. If something is biblically considered food, it would necessarily have to be from a clean source.
I personally believe as R.L. Solberg on the issue of Jesus fulfilling the law at the cross, but I disagree that this applied to the health laws in Leviticus, and instead agree with you that the dietary laws and health laws are still in place. Because remember everyone: Peter's vision was not about food. He explains that later. It was about the fact that Gentiles were now acceptable and were not to be called unclean. It was visionary iconography that was presented to Peter. And it had nothing to do with clean and unclean food you put in your mouth. There still remains clean and unclean foods for the human body.
Please check Jeremiah 31:31 on just what the New Covenant in Messiah’s blood entails. It is not at all what Solberg teaches.
But the Gentile converts are not instructed by Paul to maintain cleanliness in this way
First step for me as well was seeing a difference in what is commonly taught in modern Christianity, and what the Word actually says. Blessings on your journey. There’s other people who don’t fall squarely into Solberg or Wilbur’s camp.
Seems as though you’re picking and choosing what you want or don’t want to keep in Yah’s torah. It’s either all still for you or it’s not. I’ll give you a hint. It’s still for His people today. Solberg is the last person you’d want to follow as his theology is totally off, just like the rest of the “church”.
@@jonathanschubert9052- this is true; however, do God’s Laws stand over anyone else’s teachings, or not?
Also we need to remember that all the Apostles were believing that Yeshua would return in their lifetimes, so most extra-Toraic (and maybe some Torah Laws) rules were about to pass away (HEB 8:13). Sadly their generation did pass away without Yeshua’s Return, so we must go back to God’s Torah for clarity, not the Brit HaDeshah…🙏
I have a question, is GMO food considered clean or unclean, especially in US most of food is gmo, lets say 90 percent corn in US is gmo kilking billions of bees, and i heard long time ago maybe 10 or 20 years back that gene of swine was injected into corn, and they transfer genes between Animals and plants and vice versa, is that food clean or unclean?
Good question…it’s ‘safest’ to assume GMOs are ‘unclean;’ however, it increases the difficulty and costs of obtaining non-GMO foods…😕
Hello David, great interview. Can we trust K on foods as permissible to eat? Example Jell-O
For me and my house we avoid all pork food products, including porcine gelatin (if not labeled specifically ‘Bovine.’) This includes all marshmallows, unless they bear the Kosher ‘K’…🙏
@@shabbatsongs4801That was a thing to me to learn. Not only to avoid pork meat or even any other meat from prohibited animal, but also to avoid porcine gelatine, especially in yoghurts or gummibears. I love gummibears, but now I always watch out for such sweets with only plantic gelatine. Took me half a year to get used to it, but I feel much better since then.
If it's unclean it's not food.
That is my assumption as well…🙏
Could someone point me to the source that helps explain how excrement is not unclean I know you pointed to and a prophetic book that claimed cooking meat using human excrement would be unclean but cow excrement was not… I’m just curious what your study is on that particular passage
Dr. Williams addresses that in a footnote in his paper. See the link in the pinned comment on this video.
Jeremiah 31:32 = Hebrews 7:12 = Mark 7:18-19 = Matthew 15:10-11,16,17.
I have a question, Did the Hebrews believed in a divine Messiah? If not, what is your response to the divinity of Yeshua?
Most religious Jews believe in a Messiah/Savior that will come and restore the Kingdom of Israel and setup his eternal throne/kingdom here on earth. However, orthodox Jews do not believe the Messiah is God or equal with God Almighty but a divinely appointed man (Like Moses and King David) under God's authority. Some religious (more liberal) Jews who do not believe in a Messianic Kingdom. There are many different views among religious Jews of the nature and entity of the Messiah.
Serious question, which I have never heard anyone in torah address: By what provision within the law was Jesus's sin sacrifice made legal?
Do you think Jesus was a Levitical sacrifice?
Yeshuas sacrifice does not copy a Levitical sacrifice. No Levitical sacrifice could atone for intentional sin. His sacrifice fulfills what the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 points too if one wants to understand this through Leviticus, and the book of Hebrews emphasizes this.
@@DavidWilberBlog Well no. That's why I asked where the torah made legal that type of sacrifice. Can it be considered a sin sacrifice at all, within the terms of the contract?
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If jesus came to fulfill the Law, what laws did he fulfill?
Genuine question.
There is no provision in the “law” that made His sacrifice legal as you say. His death is the result of broken covenant. There’s much more to it, as we know Yah’s plan to send His seed was revealed in Genesis 3, after Adam and Eve disobeyed. What I’m sharing is the avenue by which Yah chose to bring it to pass. Please read Genesis chapter 15. Yahuah takes Abraham outside and promises him his descendants shall be as the stars of the sky (v5). Yah then tells Abraham to get a goat, ram and 2 different birds. Abraham flays the 2 animals and sets them across from each other creating a path between. They are about to cut a covenant with one another. The parties walking btwn the pieces are acknowledging that what was done to these animals can be done to them should either party break covenant. Yah causes a sleep to come over Abraham. v17 “And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.”
Yahuah only walked btwn those pieces, not Abraham. Yah was going to fulfill his promise/covenant to Abraham all by Himself, but it also meant He would take the penalty if it was broken. Now fast forward to Exodus chapter 19. Yah is fulfilling his promise to Abraham by gathering his descendants at Mt Sinai to give them the rules/specifics of the covenant. They agreed “all that Yahuah has said we will do”. Then we see them break the covenant with the golden calf. They broke the covenant, but because Yahuah swore by Himself, He took the penalty. They were then put under the law of sin and death until that Promise came. Yahusha frees us from the law of sin and death so we can come back into covenant, keeping Yah’s laws from a circumcised heart and His Ruach.
Im really curious how someone could come to all these conclusions and still be part of "the protestant tradition"
If its a protestant church that is torah observant, then that makes sense. But generally protestant churches are bot torah observant.
Interesting... only in the esophagus? Very interesting.
The accurate translations is "purging all foods" not "purifying all foods" purging refers to the process of removing food from the body (excrement). Has nothing to do with God purifying all foods and doing away with food laws.
Brilliant.
The rabbis aren't crazy, and it isn't wild when they use the word esophagus. Whether they're right or not is a different story.
The reason they say this is because of Leviticus 11:43-44s use of נפשתיכם.
Where most English translations render this as "yourselves, or your souls," they are, in light of the 42 prior verses of context taking that word to mean "your THROATS," an etymologically concrete meaning behind the word nephesh.
Edit: See Psalm 69:1, obviously in Hebrew. English translations likely do damage here.
If your interpretation of what Jesus said makes him violate the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy, how could it possible be correct?
Under the law contact with the sick or dead or the sinner defiles a man , how come Jesus could do those things but not defile himself? Jesus is true Holiness...carnal things cannot defile true holiness
How can not washing hands make it OK to go into the homes of a Gentile.. yet to eat a pig is as vile under law as going into a Gentiles house. Christ abolished one he abolished them all. They carry the same weight under law.
Can you show me both laws? The one about the pig and about going into a gentiles house.
Yeshua could do that as he was a "priest." No different than the Levitical priests did.
Yeshua didn't abolish the law, and Paul didn't either. Yeshua changed the priesthood, who you go to as priest, and what the priest atones with.
He did not abolish any commands that would require one to need a priest.
There was not a Torah command about eating with gentiles btw that was Rabbinic custom and likely stemmed from the attitude written in the book of Ezra.
He didn’t abolish any!
“DO NOT THINK THAT I CAME TO ABOLISH the Law or the Prophets. I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
Matthew 5:17-18. Let Yah be true and every man a liar.
I can’t agree with you on lumping unclean animals and gentiles together.
Unclean animals is here:
Lev 11
Becoming unclean by association with human beings is a rabbinic ruling, not Torah…🙏
36 minutes in, I have not heard mention of the Rabbinic tradition (which I think is paramount to understand the situation) which asserts that eating permitted food while in a state of purity makes one holy, while eating permitted food while in a state of impurity makes one unholy/common.
Paul says in 1 Timothy 4:3 that in the last days some will forbid marriage and certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving.
He also calls these teachings the teachings of demons
So ,priest not allowed to marry and abstaining from meat on fridays?
The argument In 1 Timothy 4 goes back to chapter 1 vs. 3, people misusing the Torah.
Food laws are a doctrine of God. A contrary doctrine that mentions abstaining would indicate a vegetarian doctrine.
Yes, foods. Per Torah, certain things in societies considered 'food' are 'not food'. People eat the garbage disposals of the world - in the US that is pork and shellfish. In many cultures they eat rats, bats, you name it. If you look at what the WEF/UN etc recommend, they are moving towards stating do not eat meat, and moving people into eating bugs.
@@DavidNoach65- as long as the bugs are ‘Biblically Clean,’ they’re ok to consume; however, I don’t want to eat them knowingly or not…🙏
Mashiach did not change any law!!!
Amen…and no one short of the Father can erase one ‘jot or tittle.’
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Hi Dave. Can you respond on my mail about Deuteronomy 32 ?
No! Just kidding. I'm not seeing your email. Please resend it.
Yeshua did not invalidate Levitical food laws.
The distinction of clean/unclean animals was from the beginning Noah told to bring 7 pairs clean and 1 pair unclean into the ark.
@@michaelicorneliusdistinction didn’t come in with Moses…. So doesn’t go out with Moses
GOT IT.
If a witch is eaten by an elephant and survives coming out the other side, do you have to permit her to live?
lol…can our all-powerful God create anything so heavy that He cannot lift it?
It's really very simple. Not our law, not our covenant. You are clean already by his word. How can a dead man, alive by the spirit be defiled?
The just live by faith.
That's a quote from Habbakuk where the unrighteous men are living without the Torah. May want to read the chapter ahead of that quote, and the next chapter of Romans.
Wow! That’s serious mental gymnastics! How can a dead man be defiled?!?! You are not dead if you’re posting a comment. Therefore your body, which is the temple of Yah’s Holy Spirit, can be defiled if you are eating things He declared are not food. Yes, the just shall live by faith, as originally quoted in Habbakuk 2:4. Yours is a Greek mindset of what faith is, which is merely mental assent. The Hebrew mindset of faith carries the idea of belief with corresponding action to what you say you believe. You have what James refers to as “demon faith”…“But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?”
I suggest you read all of James 2. You’re either Abraham’s seed or not. If you are then same house rules apply. Your understanding of covenant is far off.
Why would you believe that our belief in Yeshua’s Sacrifice, burial, and resurrection, isn’t an adoption/grafting into Israel (as Shaul/Paul says)?
If my belief is correct, we are (by our belief) grafted into Israel. In fact, adopted into Yeshua’s Tribe of Judah, and therefore de facto Jews (regardless of rabbinical objections)…🙏
Further, since we are adopted, we are as subject (as any Jew is) to the Father’s Torah…🙏
If you read this quote about being dead to sin, from the New Testament, it only means that Jesus Christ died the punishment by the law that we would have been given. Therefore, we were saved from death by the law which we broke.
In Hebrews 9, it states that Jesus Christ only came to die on the cross because we broke the old Covenant by not keeping it right. And so therefore we deserved death. He died the punishment that we should have been served.
But what does Jesus tell us to do after that? He tells us to stop sinning and breaking the law. He tells us to go back to it and just like he says to the adulterous woman, " get up and sin no more."
You cannot have faith without Torah. The entire belief in God if you read in the book of Exodus and Deuteronomy, what God tells. His people and Moses, is that they do not believe that what he says is true. They don't believe in following his ways, and that they will receive eternal death if they don't do it. And because they don't Love him, they are not following his ways, becoming obedient and a disobedient and rebellious world, which is why Adam and Eve fell in the first place.
So the fact that we are told to go back to the ways of God in the Torah, which is his manual of instruction in Holiness, is to save through Grace, because he forgives us from being rebellious in the first place! And invites us back to him! Therefore for forgiveness and then repentance!
But if you have faith but no repentance, then you have not given yourself truly to Christ. You have not allowed yourself to die to sin, and therefore like Paul writes throughout the New Testament, you're still a slave to Satan and you are not saved! You cannot be in salvation unless you walk away from your sin.
And that takes works of action that require us to change all that we do, which means we have to go and live the Torah to learn how to do those things which are wholly unto the Lord first, and that is precisely how he says that we should show that we love him!
The New Testament also brings up the example of Abraham and how he was righteous in his Works, and this proved his faith! It proved that he was who he said he was to the Lord God, which was loving and obedient!
Faith without works is dead! And the works that the Lord God prescribes is his Torah!
Short answer: Yes! Moving on...
Yahshua did declare all foods clean
....if it is not clean, it is not food
He declared it in Vayikra 11 and Dvarim 16
Hi David Wilbur. Are you and your guest Jewish by any chance?
According to the anti-nomians even poop is clean now.
Wow Wilber actually defends unorthodox truth ever so often....rare. Makin daddy proud! By the way no need to back up your teaching with scholars/studies/journals; God's word is all we need. Jesus never used famous rabbinical scholars to solidify his teachings; only the scriptures and real world parallel examples.
So, you think Jesus was being a legalist without trying to sound like a legalist? Downplaying the murderous Pharisees intention is just pure comedy on your part.