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- There is no question in the minds of many about the capability of the Sony WH-1000XM4. From the Mark 2 onwards, these headphones have been updated very gradually without major evolution. It’s because the design isn’t broken and the performance was great. So imagine my surprise when I tested the phones out and it failed my listening test. But, today, I’d like to do a very quick update video to follow up from my first unboxing video.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:31 Summary Conclusion
3:28 Short intro to Sony WH-1000XM4
5:16 What is LDAC?
7:14 Other observations - Battery life, Comfort, Multipoint pairing, Active Noise Cancelling, Custom Button, Range
12:17 Final Conclusions - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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You are someone that actually knows what they’re talking about. I wish more reviewers were like you and had your knowledge. Bravo ✊🏼😁
Thanks for the appreciation!
I like his format of doing videos. I feel that most reviewers take so long to get to the conclusion. This person, cut dry and simple.
Thank you Evan! I do try when I already have the answer upfront!
finally someone talking about Ldac.
To anyone here who like me was unable to activate LDAC on Android settings, have a look at Sony Headphone app if multipoint pairing is enabled. If it is, disable it, restart your phone and now you'll probably be able to use LDAC.
thanks mate you helped a lot :)
I have a Samsung Ultra 21 & it keeps switching back to ACC even the multipair was never turned on
Bro, so thankful someone else mentioned this! Ldac shows up grayed out for me so I thought the Motorola g60 could not use it but when my xm4's arrive, I'm hoping it unlocks the codec or I'm gunna be forced to return them.
Fantastic review, refreshing format 👍
That LDAC part was funny. Great video and subscribed as I like your methods.
Awesome video man! thanks for getting straight to the point
Great video. Looking forward for the AirPod pro comparison!
I am sticking around all the way because the man was kind enough to be upfront with the conclussion and the point I was looking for. He is so clear and detailed I WANT to learn more about these headphones before making a purchase.
Very good, No time waste of many listeners out there but I watched your full video and subscribed your channel. I Like your give a summary straight away
Thank you!
Loved LDAC.!!! I have the Sony NW-WM1A 128GB Premium Hi-Res Walkman ($1200 on Amazon )... Im gonna pair this WH-1000xm4 when i get mine!!! Right now im just gonna enjoy the walkman with the Beyer Dynamic DT 1990 Pro ( wired)
I really appreciate how you do your review. Subscribed :)
Thanks for the sub!
Great video, I have subbed. Thank you!
I very much enjoyed your presentation. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This attitude of giving the conclusions up front ... ❤️
I wasn’t able to duplicate the bass issue on mine with Lucy. Tested LDAC from my receiver, SBC from iPhone and plugged into iPhone. LDAC does indeed sound better than SBC but the bass was solidly represented. Did you have the latest firmware when you tested it?
Hi Peter🖐️, does fiio m6 support sound recording? Because iam looking for a player which can be use for sound record meanwhile enjoy quality music.
How would the M4s sound wired with a DAC like the dragonfly red?
Great review ! Which headphones do you recommend for iphones with apple music? Since iphones wont bring out the full potential of xm4. I’m just looking for a good experience.
Experience wise I think the Beats studio 3 is great. Pairing with Apple devices is a cinch. Although you have to like the sound signature from Beats, which is heavy on bass.
man kinda late to find ur channel nd really love ur format video
Welcome aboard! Never too late. :)
So as an Iphone user i need to find an ldac converter to get the full power of the bass? Great indepth review. Thank you
I don’t think there is such a thing as ldac converter? Actually it’s ok la. I am as usual nitpicking but if you don’t mind lowering the eq bass for just maybe 1-2 steps down it will play fine.
Peter - Thank you!
Please test them using the 3.5mm Wired Cable! Would be great to hear your thoughts on Wired vs LDAC. Thanks!
Wired is softer. There is less dynamic range. It’s also highly dependent on the player you are using. Because the sound processing is no longer done on the Sony. It will lean towards whatever sound signature your player is putting out. So it will differ for you. But on my FiiO m6, analog didn’t sound as good as an ldac connection. The m6 is after all a very budget player.
@@PeterPee Thanks for your reply. Very true the audio processing will depend on the Dac from device 🙏🏼👍🏼
I know it’s a bit late, but I have the xm3. If you use them wired and you turn them on, they still process the sound, they’re still ‘active’ headphones. Whereas if you run them wired and turned off they are ‘passive’ and they do sound worse depending on what you drive them with.
Wire the Headphones and device and then power up the XM4's will use the onboard Dac&Amp that sounds great.
@@PeterPee I’ve used with the Fiio BTR5 and sometimes will also throw in the Periodic nickel amp and they sound great wired, I haven’t tried LDAC yet but thanks to this review I will be soon.
Hi Peter, in your video you mentioned the iphone supports aptx and aptx HD. I don’t think so as i read the iphone converts all to AAC. What do you think?
Yes. I did and after that I realised it was a mistake on my part. You are right. The iPhone uses AAC.
Peter Pee Thanks for the clarification Peter, appreciate your honest opinion in this video too. Subscribed! I was looking at M6 via your recommendation to pair it with XM4. What do you think about the comparisons of Sony walkman a50series to M6?
Have you been able to test the Bose NC 700s? I tried both the 700s and the XM4s and I found the 700s to have better call quality and noise canceling than the XM4s, but my pair of 700s started exhibiting a static crackling noise whenever it swaps audio tracks after several hours so I’m leaning on staying with the XM4s since I have not experienced this static crackling noise with the XM4s.
I have tried the Bose NC700. I was swayed because they look so cool. But they didn’t fit me very well and 15 mins into the store demo, I decided not to. If I feel uncomfortable in 15 mins, I can’t find myself using them for longer.
Just subscribed, thanks for this video. I use Apple devices such as iPhone and iPad as my daily drivers. I’ve just purchased a Fiio M5 so i can now use LDAC to listen on my M4’s, I’ll just be using the M5 for its BT Tx capability rather than as a DAP, Ill still play from my iPhone/iPad with Amazon HD as my primary source. BTW re range the AirPods and Beats have the Apple H1 chip for AAC connection, a standard BT chipset will not match this for range, reliability or low latency.
Yes, I agree. And the auto setup with other Apple devices once you set it up with one... It's usability at its best.
Great thoughts 👍🏼 Are the call quality okay?
The call quality is acceptable. The mic does clip at some parts though. But overall acceptable.
Where did you find the Lucy FLAC file soundtrack? Been searching the internet without success.
I am using Spotify 320Kbps version for testing.
Hi Peter.. I have the XM3 and I absolutely love them. Use them for a minimum of 4-5 hours every day. Calls and music both. Sure you think it's worth upgrading to the XM4. Is the only difference, as you mentioned only multi device connectivity or is the sound and comfort better than XM3 too?
I really don’t think it’s worth it. Xm4 sound is very similar. Comfort maybe marginally better. Multi device connectivity is great but a little buggy I feel.
You lose aptx too.
@@PeterPee I was thinking along the same lines. Thank you Peter! :)
But dont forget that with XM4's you can use and adjust EQ while listening on LDAC, there is no this option with XM3's unfortunately which I don't understand why, it is just a software adjustment after all.
Hi. great video. Can you list which devices support LDAC codec? which Android phones and what about Windows 10 PC?
Hi Franklin! Thanks for the compliments. Well, I am not very familiar with this and the only LDAC device I have is an MP3 player. I am not quite in the Android camp but since LDAC has been licensed to Android, I am supposing a lot of devices under the Android camp do have it? I can't be sure though.
Franklin George Windows doesn’t support and all Android devices since 8 have support.
Little correction. The aptx drop doesn’t impact iPhone in any way since it doesn’t support it. Just doesn’t make sense xm3 sounding better on iPhone using a unsupported codec.
Brilliant review, now if you are listening to songs through LDAC, is it true that you are unable to use Multipoint with a LDAC device and a mobile phone and that the only way of using multipoint is by using AAC or SBC on your Hi Res player ?.
Tha'ts correct.LDAC does not work when you activate multipoint. On Samsungs, it will default to AAC.
So i have an issue and can you tell me if you have this too and if it's supposed to be Normal or i just got a defective pair twice?
My xm 4 starts sending the noise in my ear through the mic when i do calling or anything which requires mic to be turned on... I can't use discord and play games because the audio quality goes terrible and i can hear outside noise from the mic which is supposed to send my voice to the other person. It's really noticeable if you sit next to a fan and do calling... As soon as the mic enable i can hear unwanted noise and no it's not ambient mode... It happens even when I'm using noise cancellation.
That doesn’t sound normal. But it might be the case if you turn on the transparency mode. Try to turn off transparency mode and see if it helps correct the behaviour.
Hi, I can't get the FiiO M6 and Sony headphones to communicate with LDAC. They are updated to the latest versions, however, although the FiiO is configured with LDAC audio output, in the Sony app it always indicates that SBC is being used. Any ideas?
Thanks
Have you ensured that the multi point connection on the Sony mx4 is turned off?
@@PeterPee You are right. Turned off, and now works!
Nice video. You mentioned that LDAC saved the day, but then you also went on and said that you had it multipaired to your phone and mp3 player. I thought LDAC was turned off if mulitipaired? How do you go about switching between LDAC or multipaired? Sounds like a pain in the ass
Thank you for pointing that out. At first I was wondering how come the ldac indicator didn’t show on my player. Then I realised that the headphone doesn’t support ldac over multipoint pairing. Not enough bandwidth apparently.
It is a pain in the ass and I gave up after. So what I did was to just turn down the bass eq on the iphone. :( when I have a continuous listening session at night did I remove multi point pairing. But I don’t really see this as something I’d be doing on a Long term basis. I’ll have to decide how I want to use this.
Thanks,
I like the beginning of the video and presented early with the conclusion like in a old Colombo episode where we know who's the culprit is.
I have a question, Does DSEE Extreme upscale mode with AAC helps to compete with LDAC when listening to Lucy.
Thanks :-)
No APT-X adaptive on this headset seems a loss
Hey joe. Unfortunately no. DSEE is not upscaling it for that purpose. It’s the transport protocol that is the issue here. Not the source file. I am just streaming via Spotify.
@@PeterPee ok so Dsee extrême is not the holy grail for low bitrate music.
Thanks a lot Peter :)
No, it works slightly different. It works at the source, not at the transport layer.
@@PeterPee
According to this if the information of soundstage is lost it will not be recovered either
Anyway i have older gear from.sony earbuds and smartphone(z5 compact), i never found DSEE HX to have an impact on the music.
I think Dolby atmos works best on some occasion
helpguide.sony.net/mdr/hpc/v1/en/contents/TP0002935913.html
www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-does-dsee-hx-ai-dsee-ultimate-dsee-extreme-do.14832/
The science of it is correct. If it is lost, it is lost, it’s hard to get back exact same copy. DSEE has a bit of marketing in its concept. But the bit of science is about creating fill in data to extrapolate how it is supposed to sound in the first place. This took place 3 decades ago with Pioneer’s Legato Link.
The Aptx is something from the firmware or it’s a hardware thing ?
I’m using an iPhone and I don’t know what pair of headphones choose, XM3 or XM4.
Excelente content btw, cheers from Mexico 🇲🇽
Aptx is found in Qualcomm chipsets (not all, having to check in the bluetooth specifications if the device has or not - it will appear more or less like A2DP / LE / Aptx which are protocols supported by the device) and LDAC is exclusive to Sony headphones. For a change Apple has its own protocol for its headphones.
Compa si tienes iPhone ni de pedo no vale la pena, si tienes un android que pueda usar LDAC valen la pena 100%
Y depende que te guste los xm3 son muy claros y los xm3 son claros pero mas bassy
Hi Peter, another great video. LDAC “Lossy Digital to Analog Codec” is my guess considering it’s “near lossless quality, but not exact”. Yet another marketing term from Sony. I used to be a Sony enthusiast especially back in the day when they made Viao laptops and every TV I had in the past was always a Sony. One note, when I opened the XM4, I had to charge it fully before it would even power up. Something I did not expect. It makes me question the battery supplied in the unit I purchased from Best Buy. Did you try the Music Apps that was offered, with the “360” Audio? We share the same head structure, and did you find the air pressure slightly uncomfortable? I found the overall frequency response sounded congested. To the average consumer, one probably wouldn’t be bothered. For audiophiles, this wouldn’t be the choice for a daily headphone for listening to your favourite music. Personally I prefer the Aiaiai TMA - 2 Studio as the most comfortable over ear headphones with decent sound at a consumer level cost. I can wear them all day with no discomfort. Same with Sennheiser HD800s from 10 years back.
I think I know what you are referring to. If you are on the audiophile track, there is a definite preference to open headphones. Noise Cancelling headphones will always give you that closed up feel which most audiophile find unnatural. I don't have a problem with the pressure but the 1000m4 aren't ones for 4 hour listening sessions.
Have to tried the xm4 with apple lossless hi res audio? Using a dac like audioquest dragonfly or fiio btr5?
I am going to be posting a video on that soon. Trying that right now! To be honest, not a huge difference. It's cumbersome.
Does Android sound good with LDAC Vs iPhone on AAC?
I have a BOSE and it sounds great on iPhone but no so good on Android.
So thinking if a LDAC supported headphone will make it sound better?
Well, with LDAC, it sounded a lot more dynamic. There was more headroom especially in the bass department.
I own the XM4 headphones. And now that it's 2023, which DAC do you recommend? I want my DAC portable and very easy to carry anywhere. Is there any portable DAC you'd recommend at this time (probably best in your opinion)?
Es el mejor video que he visto acerca del tema.
LDAC should stand for "Lossless Digital to Analog Conversion" in my opinion. I know it's not completely lossless, but it's more than good enough to merit the name. Of course, in the rest of the industry, DAC is a digital to analog converter.
Gutsy to post your conclusion initially and then still be able to keep your viewers hooked to watch till the end
For What you mentioned about noise canceling at 10:40. You're able to cover the right ear cup to allow sound to come in.
Yes, i realised that. But socially it feels awkward. It would appear that you are trying to block sounds when in fact you are trying to listen to the person talking.
@@PeterPee Yea, very awkward. I'm doing a bit of testing with the speak to chat option in the application. I had a bit of trouble with it activating while simply humming music but turning down the sensitivity seems to have fixed that.
Thanks for the video btw, subbed and looking forward to learning more.
Yes. The speak to chat seems to work relatively well but it does keep triggering seemingly at random sometimes.
I had to try that track on my headphones. Gota try it on my airpods pro too later. Good testing for bass. I usually use xanny by billie eilish.
Try it an let us know what you feel! “First Cells” is one of the most telling tracks for evaluating bass performance for any equipment.
Hi, have you messed around with the equalizer? I am an iPhone user and would like some advice on how to get my headphones to sound a little better.
I just turn the bass up in eq I wouldn’t mess with any of the other settings because other songs sound different
I don't play around much with equaliser as I feel they are overly aggressive and creates quite a bit of a discolouration in this pair.
I would like to second that. Don't go overboard.
So the xm3 would be a better purchase if you strictly use it with an iPhone?
Hi, about quality of bass, what was the best headphone wireless you have listen to? and on a overall would you pick them instead of the xm4 ? thanks :)
For bass, I will defer to the Beats studio. I find that they emphasise bass really well. Might not suit everyone and every genre.
@@PeterPee thanks :)
@@PeterPee I had the Beats and they are a cheap piece of crap. The headband broke in less than a year.
I have been quite careful with them but yes, there are multiple reports on the headband breaking.
Is it better to buy Xm3 as they support aptx , aptx hd while the Xm4's does not and does the sound , mic quality better in Xm4 than xm3's?
I am unable to determine if the XM4 mics are better than the XM3. As far as my limited experience with the xm3 goes, they are similar in mic performance. Which is to say, not very great.
For the APTX-HD, it really depends on which handset you are using with it. iPhones never had APTX-HD ever.
So sir how can i improve the sound quality with ios device since it lacks ldac?
You can't actually do much with it. But if you want to change the sound profile, you can set EQ through iOS.
The other way you can improve is to have an external DAC connected... but that defeats the purpose of having it wireless because it is so cumbersome.
I’ve tried both xm3 and xm4, the bass on xm3 is stronger and more physical and more enjoyable when watching TH-cam or movies, I wish Sony can add more bass to xm4 via firmware update 🙂
Also, the XM4 seems to have a relatively brighter top end. Not saying it's better, or worse. Just brighter.
This is why i love the XM4s... XM3 sound muddy and rubbish... XM4s are just way more alive
Are u fr now bro are you kind of deaf or what
You are a god and I am subbing
How about you use a Dac like dragonfly cobalt or red with Sony wh-1000xm4 for better sound experience? I'm just curious to know if it works.
Yes sure, the WH-1000XM4 allows for a wired connection. But then that will defeat the purpose of paying for it to get the wireless function and the noise cancellation.
@@PeterPee thanks for replying, i really appreciate. Do you have an alternative ? Like an audiophile headphones which would be perfect for this setup ?
Ldac is the only way to go, and I tell this to people all the time. AAC sucks, SBC sucks. Great video my friend. I am happy TH-camrs like you are around. You provide depth to your explanations others dont.
Also LDAC stands for "lossless digital audio codec"
Really? But ldac doesn’t sound like its lossless at 990kbps.
@@PeterPee yeah that's what it stands for. The idea is that the codec's compression is only in the higher frequencies so your ear shouldn't be able to hear the compression. It's very close, but it should roll off at 22 or 23 khz as opposed to 20 khz for a better effect. It's definitely the best codec
Oh!!!! So the lower frequencies aren’t compressed??? Wow! Cool! That completely explains why the bass line was so much cleaner over ldac!
@@PeterPee you're correct. Ldac supports down to 10hz if I'm correct and up to 20khz. It's a great codec. I've been using it for years and I can't go to other ones without cringing a bit haha
How can you switch to LDAC on your phone? I have a Samsung S9. I tried the developer settings where you can change the audio codec to LDAC but it jumps right back to ACC automatically a few seconds later. Any ideas how to solve this problem?
Just to be clear here but the iPhone does not support AptX or AptXHD it only supports AAC and SBC. So when you used your XM3’s you were listening to the same codec as your XM4...You might want to correct that.
From my experiece my xm4s bluetooth range is about 40 feet only if i use a stable codec like aac but if u use ldac and set my samsung phone to focus on sound quality in developer mode settings my range decrease to 15 feet and btw I'm using tidal because it supports hifi streaming and it works well with ldac
Yeah. In fact I’d i prioritise ldac sound quality I’d even get dropouts next to the player.
Do iPhones have aptX HD? I thought aptX was exclusive to Android and iPhones only support SBC and AAC.
iPhones only supports Sbc and AAC that’s right. But aptx is not exclusive to android. Apple MacBooks also support them.
Thanks for your review, I have been searching for a video discussing on it's wireless connection type limitations (LDAC, no Aptx) and the SQ the headphone can produce. Due to this, I may lean towards xm3....hmm anyway, thanks you for your video, Appreciate it!
The xm3 is still a very good option. It is now selling for much less and if you could get a set at a large discount it might just be a better deal than the xm4.
But how does the LDAC sound vs APTX-HD and other non-LDAC codecs?
To be honest, they are mostly quite good and up there already. LDAC is a lot cleaner and there seems to be a bit more headroom so that the louder sounds are louder and you can also hear the softer sounds.
But I will dare say that most people won't be able to discern the difference between LDAC and APTX-HD. SBC which is the base BT audio protocol is a mile away and that, the difference can be discerned easily. But between LDAC and APTX-HD, one would be hard-pressed to hear the difference.
Wow is this New Wireless Headphone has Same Extra Bass Power just like XB900N or Just Balance Sound without Extra Bass?? I Have One of this XB900N Series 😍😍😍
The xm4 doesn’t advertise extra bass. Bass does sound great though if you have the right Bluetooth protocol!
@@PeterPee Woaw Thank U Sir for Explaining it!! Because I Love Super Extra Bass & always Buy the XB Series (XB950BT,XB950N1,XB900N) I will Test it Later in Headphones Shop in My Area, if the Bass is Softer than XB Series, I will Wait for the Next XB Series Next Year!!! Yay 🙌🙌🙌
You’re most welcomed. Always happy to help!
I went for the Harman curve eq and they sound so much better and not as bright and front feeling as other popular equalizer settings. Try it and compare! 0, 4, 6, 0, 0 clear bass - 1/0
With wire, i cant tell the difference between 320 kbps and hifi quality with Xm4. Please can you tell me why ? thx for video btw.
With wire, the processing is done at the source. So your source must be good enough to make the difference audible.
Turn your headphones on with wired! They get louder too
What you di not mention is that when the option for paring 2 devices you can not get LDAC. But nice review thanks.
The iPhone has never supported AptX or AptX HD or any other of the Qualcomm owned codec's. The XM4 also switched from Qualcomm to Mediatek for it's internal chip. This has increased performance on many levels, like the ANC, but it did mean no more codec support for AptX, but given that Android has LDAC baked in now, it never really used AptX there anyways.
The iphone seems to be lacking in this aspect. The ecosystem is so closed off they might be losing out here.
Peter Pee This hasn't so much got to do with the ecosystem being closed off, but rather with licensing. Qualcomm and Apple had a long battle in courts over SOC patents for years and only recently settled so Apple can use their 5G tech, so maybe AptX support will come in the future sometime. LDAC is from Sony itself and used to be exclusive to their own Xperia devices, they gave it to Android for free since Android 8 or 9 a few years ago, but I don't know if they'd even offer it to Apple if given the chance.
These rivalry ain’t doing us good. Oh well. That’s why we need 5 pairs of headphones and 3 phones. Thank god for this opportunity!
Awesome video God bless
I just got these for my new iphone, is it really a waste? D:
i was told these were still great for iphone and the best you can get currently, despite the lack of ldac
Yes, actually I find myself using them a lot even after a few months.
Sony wh1000xm4 which phone should i choose to get better sound
Depends for Bluetooth or wired? A phone with a Hi fi dac & Bluetooth 5.0+ would be a good choice. I have a V20 with Hi fi dac, which you can tell the difference with sound, but the Bluetooth is 4.2ver which sucks compared to 5.0ver & the XM4s have 5.0 Bluetooth, which streams 2Mbps & 4.2 streams only 1Mbps
Thanks but I'll stick around till the end. This is part of the reason I left iOS echo system... LDAC and Sony headphones. Android is compatible.
Run into an issue with my XM4's today, the auto-pause feature is not working properly even though the in-app setting is turned ON. I have never had to test this feature since I have a habit of pausing my music before taking them off, but just now I decided to test it and its not working at all, has anyone else run into this bug before?
I think it happened to me once or twice. Not consistently. I can’t quite recall the exact circumstances when it happened though.
@@PeterPee I figured it out, as per Sony's website and my own experience, apparently if there is a build up of moisture or condensation (which happens in winter AND summer) it wont work. It seems like a redundant feature then, since you're not really going to take the headphones off every 15 minutes to wait for the condensation to dissipate...
I’m going to observe this to see if it happens often enough. Yesterday it was still ok. Not sure it is related to device too.
@@PeterPee It is definitely related to the device, primarily the sensor which apparently cannot function when it's fogged up, but that's my one and only gripe with the XM4's so far.
I tend to turn the air conditioner on as it’s almost always hot and/or humid in singapore so maybe it’s less of a problem for me. But yes, I did encounter it I think once or twice on the first day when I made myself wear the cans the whole day.
Great review ! LDAC will be disabled if you use 2 point pairing on the XM4's.
Yeah, that I found out! Thanks for sharing!
Great info! I also have the XM4. Can you tell me if you notice a low level hiss/white noise with ANC turned on? I do! I also have the XM3 and that does not happen on those so I'm a bit disappointed.
I don’t have the xm3 with me to do a direct comparison but after I read your comment I kept trying to listen out. With anc off, you can hear some degree of external sound being filtered in. And that’s to be expected. When I turn anc on, that same noise is filtered out dramatically. But I can still hear some degree of white noise. I won’t necessarily call it noise. It sounds like the same external noise but being cut down.
You mean on the xm3 it’s completely silent?
@@PeterPee Yes completely silent on the XM3! There are others reporting this issue with the XM4s. I did a direct comparison at least 8 times and it's noticeable between the two.
@@PeterPee Peter, try testing them in different rooms. You'll notice the hiss is consistent and not part of the room noise it's blocking.
Oh dear. Now that you’re drawing my attention to it, I do notice it! Let’s hope this is something a firmware can fix.
@@PeterPee Fingers crossed! Not sure you can get your hands on a pair of XM3s to hear the difference. A lot of the reviewers have not mentioned this issue including those who have both. Not sure if they are paid to give a positive review.
Stupid me had these for a week and I went to Bluetooth settings and saw the ldac option. I feel these are a lot better now. Android user here.
Glad you found the setting! LDAC really does open up the sound quite a bit.
@@PeterPee I have an s9 and everytime I press ldac it goes back to ACC
@@PeterPee why ?
@@user-gr2ef5uz5g same!! it is so annoying I need an answer too mr peter
@@vaikeshmanimaran550 I found out by myself. First connect the headphones then pull your notification bar down. Then click devices click on your headphones name. Then go to devices settings click activate LDAC. And probably go to developers settings to make sure it's on LDAC.
My XM4 arrived the other day and I'm a bit disappointed with the sound quality (AAC). I found out they dropped APT-X support after I bought them. Probably would be better if I bought XM3 instead.
There's no range issue on mine, I can go to the bathroom and the signal passes through two brick walls and pipes inbetween, no problem.
It's a shame you didn't know about that, I bought them 2 weeks ago, and have no complaints.
@@cluster2649 No worries, ordered XM3 today. I'll use them both for different stuff.
LDAC codec is awesome. I hope Sonos Arc will get support. Somehow we should be able to play songs via wifi while Sonos Arc uses LDAC codec
Wait what, Iphone’s only support AAC right? No APTX, wich should mean Iphone sounded bad with MX3 to.
The Sony app shows the codec being used by my WH-H900N, but not for my WH-1000XM4.
Guys I want to buy this headphones but I m thinking if they have good bass?
The bass is alright. Different people have different bass type preference but overall, in technical terms, this pair performs. There are some frequency bands that might overload the regular Bluetooth bandwidth so if you can get connected via ldac, it’ll work much better.
LDAC..... jajajaja (laugh in spanish)
Do you think LDAC will work with an Ipad Pro 2020 or next Ipads ?
Thank for the review !!
No. I don’t think so. Apple uses their AAC and won’t use ldac.
Hey there great work! Subbed as well, how do i turn on ldac on my XM4s I'm on android 10 and when I select ldac from developer options its shifts back to AAC. Looking forward to your reply. Have a nice day
Thanks for the sub! I am unfamiliar with Android as I don't use android phones though.
@@PeterPee then how did yoi use LDAC
not only mp3 players, ANDROID devices supports LDAC.(Samsung,sony,huaweii etc)
Please review anc cans that u actually love the sound of
I’m gonna come across as fickle but the truth is there are cans for different purposes. And for different moods and this genre.
Take for example the b&w px. I like it for the dark sound so when it comes to tracks that are heavy on vocals and light on instrumentation, I use them as it helps me focus on the voice. The Beats can’t do that, but the Beats are great for bass heavy tracks and electronic music. For audiobooks and calls, I use the airpods for their transparency mode as they lend a great emphasis on the spoken word and it makes the speaker sound like they are there with you. The Sony’s wh-1000xm4 are great for comfort and thus suited for Long listening sessions. It really depends.
Then the question is, if you just get one, which one? I Guess it depends on the use case. So you’re right, maybe I should do a video on this.
@@PeterPee yeah thx man, I wanted to get some wireless headphones but all I cared about was the sound quality. It came down to either the xm4 or PX7. I got the xm4 expecting it to be best class just because it came out recently but maybe not.
Anc performance I’m quite certain is xm4’s strong point. Another contender you might want to consider is beyerdynamic lagoon anc. Beyerdynamic’s focus is on sound quality.
Why don't you try with Android ? I have a pixel 2 XL, it says that it supports LDAC. I really want to buy it and want to make sure how it would work with Android.
I have tried it with an android based player with LDAC. It sounds great there.
@@PeterPee perfect. Thank you !
Bro, hows the voice call quality of the xm4? Especially with back ground noise. I'm surprised you claim it's good? I tried and can still hear the noisy background and my voice unclear? Overall very bad for this price level...can't even match Bose voice quality.
I actually find it pretty good. When you do noise cancelling on the xm4, and because of the fact the the mic is used to pick up your voice, you do hear some of the surrounding bleed into your voice. For voice call, I find the AirPods Pro to be superior but for music, they suck. So for the superiority in music for the xm4, I do find that the voice call quality for xm4 to be good already. Also, call your friends and ask them how you sound.
Well I guess they can still hear my voice ok, (turning off the ambient control under sound in the app seem to help) but the noisy background they can also tell. Especially in restaurants or cafe. Not sure about apple, personally I'm not apple fans, but I do have Bose 700, and their voice call is superb. Ironically though the NC I feel sony is better. Sound is par, with Sony more heavy on bass to the more neutral on Bose.
Iphone does not have aptx ar aptx-hd support. Only AAC.
I was thinking that too. Was he using the Spotify app. Maybe that does?
I returned them before even unboxing them when I found out that LDAC does not work while multipoint is active. So basically if I run them on an LDAC compatible phone, connect them to a laptop via multipoint to take calls during work hours, it automatically switches to SBC when I go back to the Phone. This is ridiculous. This makes it that I can either use multipoint or LDAC, but I can't use both technologies even though these two were the selling points for me. I watched 20 reviews or so before buying them and not one single reviewer mentioned this. The fact that on premium headphones no one is talking about the codecs is kind of dumb to me. That's one of the most important parts that make them high end.
In regards to the above, you mentioned that you switch between the Fiio M6 and the phone. If this is the case without the Fiio then switching to SBC then I'm for sure buying one of those. Also, by the very unlikely chance that you are reading this, what do you think about the ATH-M50XBT2 compared to the XM4s?
That LDAC joke got me so hard lmao
Bass is very low frequency, generally loss less compression increases the high frequency bandwidth, for greater detail….what am I missing? I don’t understand why bass would improve from improving into the bandwidth. I mean standard cd quality goes down to 20hz (I think). Bluetooth can do dvd quality which increases 44khz cd quality to 48khz….I don’t get how this type of thing can improve bass response, what am I missing?
I think LDAC stands for Lite Digital to Analog Codec
If you prioritize sound, you lose range for Bluetooth. You have to switch to prioritize connection for wandering away from your device.
Can you use EQ with LDAC? I think they are not supported at the same time in XM3's.
You can on the xm4, I take advantage of this upgrade
6:00 My guess is Lossless Digital to Analog Converter
Peter my partner is sick of hearing your voice in the background, I'm watching your vids every night!
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Would be Great if someone know about sound Look that up
Too bad LDAC doesn't work on Windows 10 PC
so it seems of dozens of reviews from big name youtubers you are the only one that has complaint about the XM4 audio quality =)))) hmmmm....
I prefer to say it like I mean it la. I still like it. Don’t get me wrong. I just find the performance to be better over an ldac capable device.
I watched many reviews before buying mine, most stated that ldac was the way to use it, others didnt mention it but those were more laid back reviewers and didn't mention more technical stuff.
Low latency and High-Definition audio Codec (LHDC)
Is that what LDAC is?
@@PeterPee per Wikipedia. Sony skipped "latency" and "audio."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHDC_%28codec%29?wprov=sfla1
I just did a bit of reading and it is not. Ldac is 990kbps and lhdc is 900kbps. Completely different.
And on wiki for lhdc, it’s considered a competitor to ldac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHDC_(codec)
@@PeterPee I take it back. I was focused on LHDC, not LDAC.
Ah. Ya. Just found out too!
I'm not 100% certain, but I think that LDAC stands for Lossless Digital Audio Codec. If you Google what LDAC is in Wikipedia, you can pretty much guess what it stands for.
I thought so as well but it's still a guess. Even Sony doesn't say what it stands for!
I could've sworn I left a comment about sources being the reason why you get clipping on the XM4 and others don't. Sad to see a reviewer delete a comment he doesn't agree with.
Hmmm... could be some misunderstanding. I don’t think I have deleted a single comment since I started the channel.