The main issue is here that Ludkins did not ring fence money paid by customers up front for grading. He decided to keep customer money for whatever reason and not to pay PSA. Then when PSA slowed down accepting submissions they started to unravel. This is mismanagement of money which did not belong to Ludkins, they were holding it on trust for their customers to provide to PSA according to their bulk terms. PsA duly graded the cards, but Ludkins failed to pay them. They breached this basic tenant of consumer rights. I have submissions from Feb and March 2021 that have according to PSA been sitting with them for almost a year because Ludkins failed to pay them. Happy to provide all my receipts and email trails on this. I also have emails from Ludkins until as recently as October 2nd telling me PSA had not yet graded my cards! Utter bull. Oh and yes Ludkins deleted the XLS file prior to this announcement (as they did for all customers) which contained details of which cards were submitted (I can literally show you the Google drive which says deleted by Ludkins). Basically they were using that as a last ditch attempt to barging with PSA. Oh and also, deleting client data without client consent is an offence under the GDPR here in the UK. Super shady and ignorant actions by a company that should know better. It also makes it harder for clients to sue Ludkins for potential losses. Truly awful. @rattlepokemon please DM me and I'll happily share my files. Because these guys need to understand just how badly they've affected people and how far away from complying with English law they are.
Yeah, I had no idea that Ludkins didn't pay PSA in advance. In my opinion, Ludkins was 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'. Almost like a ponzi scheme, they required the income from new customers to pay the PSA bill for current customers. I guess the problem was that during the pandemic, any money they had in the bank was used to keep the business running but they couldn't take any new money as PSA were closed. My guess is that when they reopened for submissions, Ludkins hoped to gain enough money to pay the PSA bill but this failed. Ludkins claimed to get 20,000-40,000 submissions a month, I don't know how true this is but I believe PSA hasn't been paid for January-May 2021 so we could be talking a very large sum of money.
I know this is some old news now, But I’ve been out of the graded game for a few years, I have just read my Facebook messages from Barney, I sent card to him in 2016, well before everything took off during the pandemic. They took 12 months to get back to me 🤣 remember this was 2016…madness.
My cards for my submission with Ludkins was registered with PSA back in January 2021 nearly two years now. saved my email receipts. This was my first ever card submission and wish I did more research before hand. Right now Ludkins have moved files that are usually shared with customers over google docs into a shared Bin so we cannot even access that anymore..........Yup.
Im in the same position as you i used Ludkins USA tho and i have my email receipt between them since Feb of 2021 this is ridiculous never again ill send my cards myself never never again.
I emailed PSA (the real PSA, not UK) back in early 2021 and asked them about submitting from the UK and they replied: "Graded Gem and Ludkins are both PSA Authorized dealers, however they do not grade the cards at their facility - they are a third-party submitter and they will send your order to PSA on your behalf. I recommend using one of our authorized dealers, as they do abide by our customer bill of rights." So that's what I did, I sent via Ludkins as they looked the more professional at the time and there was no negative feedback. I felt it would be safer to use an experienced middleman rather than put my cards in a parcel, send to the USA and hope it gets there! I paid Ludkins and have kept in contact with them over the past 18 months. I have receipts and copies of email exchanges which I've sent to PSA but I'm happy to share them if you would like to see them. Ludkins have deleted all documents from the shared Google drive where they put records of what cards we sent and when they were sent to PSA.
I still have my document on Google drive with the date sent and accepted by PSA, however doesn't mention my cards specifically.. I do have email exchanges between ludkins and myself with proof of cards and payment. Sent all this to PSA. I did receive cards I sent from 2020, but not the cards from March 21...
Someone on the Efour Forum was saying the boxes/packaging that cards are being returned in from PSA to Ludkins are from 6+ months ago... almost like they had been graded and were sitting around. Wonder if there’s any truth to that.
I’m worried this isn’t just a UK problem. I also have 2 submissions with Ludkins US from January and February 2020 and haven’t had any movement in many months, only that it’s in the “grading” stage at PSA. I’ve gotten all my direct submissions back, even bulk submissions submitted this year directly. Never going through a middle man ever again.
Its not only the UK branch its USA one too cuz mine have been there since Feb 2021 sooo its been stuck on grading for almost a year smh i just want my cards back.
I was thinking to use ludkins couple of months ago but they were not very upfront with pricing I can’t understand why psa is not opening a facility in UK or EU
I have graded 150 cards with James at graded gem, and I can say he is an honest guy. He was left out for dead by the UK graded gem. If you watch James’s videos you see him trying to answer questions to UK based customers. James basically got a workload for 2 years and had to essentially do it himself. Although, going forward I would grade cards myself just so I can know where they are
@@RattlePokemon yeah I know, I was more just saying it because other people (not you) categorize those guys with the UK guys, which I get the frustration customer have though
Well said on just having PSA fulfill this service instead of letting these leeches/scammers do it and having to deal with this stuff when there is zero form of accountability for these people
I'm one of the unfortunate ones that subbed with ludkins UK in 2021, I took a chill back seat and thought they will come back whenever they comeback, around 6-8k gbp in value depending on the grades I got. Hopefully this mess gets sorted, I've filled in everything I can to psa via the Google sheet they put in there announcement. But was a little more niave when I submitted and didn't know the hobby as well as I do now. We shall see if I ever get these cards back 😅
theyre gone, he alreadey sold them on ebay years ago. sorry for that, i always warned and watched his sells on ebay but nobody heard my voice. now you are all f****ed up. he made millions on ebay!
Great job BARNEY. In this day and age everyone trying to talk crap without all the info. Hats off to you for bringing just the facts to the table. I wish more channels were like yours. Thank you.
The problem with this is people submitted using them, and then proceeded to tell everybody it was a great service before they got their cards back. Facebook posts regarding grading were everywhere in 2021 and the ones that had already submitted via Ludkins were shouting their heads off about how great a service it was before their own service was complete 😂
look my situation, first they broke our deal i send cards to them when they was part of EU also second sub i made with them i send i sent via they Paris office they need to solve imports and that was main reason i go with them, after 2 year of pain and stress they told me i need to pay imports, because they late 2 years in mean time they close Paris office (it means if they work faster my subs will back with Paris office and i will not pay import taxes) and now i need to pay them they say sorry to me and thats it , so they broke our deal and i cant do nothing about that, then 3-4 weeks ago ludkins send me message that my cards are in his office in UK and i need to pay extra value to psa and i pay it then I send them shipping info they told me someone will back to you but from that point they stop answer on my messages, then 3 weeks after this hanky panky thing start to going on, then PSA ask as to fill form and most of us dont have number of submission as ludkins hide it, so if i want to fill PSA form I need to fill it wthout that number and then PSA will take long time to find my cards, so what happend next is that Ludkins answer on they facebook wall that cards wich are now in his office will be shippend next week to customers, so tell me what to do now ? where are my cards in PSA or in Ludkins office )) i eaven send Nat Turner instagram message and he told me that he do not know what to do, i ask Ludkins on facebook wall did my cards really in your office as you guys told me 3 weeks ago or not? , still no answer
this is terrifying as someone who has cards with ludkins uk and they are ghosting me website is down, i dont know how to go about getting my cards back now
Currently hoping I can get mine back it's been nearly 2 years and I have no idea what's going on, my first ever submission all 50 of my best cards gone
i sent my cards to them July 2021 and not got them back so lost the money I gave them and my childhood base set Charizard card and thoughts on what to do?
A while back, I won a TCG booster box that was auctioned by Ludkins on eBay. I paid right away. A week later, no shipping update or response to my messages inquiring about shipping status. After a month, I opened up a case with eBay and within a few days, someone from Ludkins responded and said it was already shipped and they would look into it. A week later, that person responded saying they were waiting for a plastic case to ship it in. Fortunately, I did receive this booster a week after they finally shipped it. My guess is that this booster box sold for a lot less than they wanted, and they did not want to cancel the order. Instead, they were hoping I would cancel it, to avoid selling fees. When I opened up the case, they had no choice but to ship it out. Why did I think this? There was a PSA card that sold a min after the booster box that was shipped out and received positive feedback - this was the only way I was able to trace a timestamp for it to compare my item to. I then did some research and found that they were a middleman grading service for PSA. I also heard about other middleman services that had trouble with PSA or went bankrupt, etc. Now this. I’m not surprised. I had a feeling they were having financial issues.
this is post of ludkins you miss it and i mention under : LC UK We are still here doing all what we can for you. - We will be reinstating all client documents as soon as we can. This is a timely process. - Any orders in the PO BOX will be sent back to customers Monday. - Any orders at the office will be returned to their owners next week. We will reach out to those individual customers.
Psa doesn't charge you until the cards are graded . I feel like it's a good faith thing with it's customers since they have the cards for a period of time an don't wanna tie up a customers funds until it's ready to send back so it's kinda tough
I sent through Polaris Grading an order to CGC and it got impacted due to them using a Ludkins UK account. Paid express 5-7 business days service and it has been already 4 months of it being in the limbo. If anyone is in the same situation as me please let me know.
In the same situation. Sent in late June; 50+ card submission with heavy hitters and my childhood favorites. I’m extremely, extremely sad and disheartened-seriously feel like quitting the hobby altogether. I know a few others from Reddit who have also had their orders impacted after sending with Polaris.
i'm about to send like 10 cards from my personal collection through a middleman here in switzerland to psa. because i don't get it how to submit my cards directly to psa. they offer 29$/card service. turnaround times 90-120 days. i'm still unsure if i should do this or not because i've seen some other middleman stuff like package got lost or cards did not arrived. can someone maybe show me how i submit to psa the easy way without a middleman?
To your question why would you grade a card at all if you don't want to fill out a form. As a European Its because credit cards aren't such a commonality here (Which is the only way to pay for submisions) plus the import fees can be a hassle to have to deal with. Middlemen just offer a very convenient alternative way. Next to that it avoids having to pay for grading companies memberships.
Unfortunately nothing is easy in the Pokémon community atm. I honestly don’t understand why PSA didn’t use this as a sister site where they graded cards in the UK. This is why my cards are home safe with me. If I want to grade cards I would send them directly or buy them already graded. I’m sure there will be more sh*t that hits the fan with Pokémon in the future.
Hey Rattle, thank you for making a video on this. It seems like Polaris might also be involved. Apparently they were sending CGC subs under Ludkins UK, submissions that were coming from the United States no less. Some folks have been out cards since Summer. I imagine people who sent orders through Ludkins US might also be impacted. I have no idea why these two services were streamlining their submissions to this UK branch, but it's all sketchy as hell. Hoping CGC says something and that they're still in possession of those cards.
I can't speak for my experience with Ludkins as I've never graded with them. However, I've got a 120ish cards November 2020 sub with Graded Gem UK which has been split into different orders. I've got about 50% of those cards back and the next batch will be 2-4 weeks I imagine. I know their partnership ended a while back with PSA they have kept customers in the loop and returns are flooding back now for people. So glad I didn't submit with PSA UK was very tempted!
The Marx cards issue is still ongoing. I just got a email saying they are ready to start separating my cards. I sent two orders got one back about a month ago, still waiting on the other.
Psa should ask for a 50% payment up front, paying for cards after there graded seems like a poor move, it gives these 3rd party companies time to commingle funds.
Deleted previous comment to clarify. Rusty still has cards out from before shutdown and has had all his grading special orders returned. Why is psa leaking these out slowly? Well, they don’t take payment until the cards enter grading. So in a year from now when the stonkdog69’er grading modern cards shut down; psa has people on the hook for all these orders and has guaranteed income for several quarters.
Ludkins stopped communicathing few months ago...at the beginning of summer holiday....those 2 months holiday are often misused to go bankrupt in silence....
Ludkins were going to be stricken off by companies house. Fortunately someone. (Possibly PSA themselves) had written to Companies in house to refute them being stricken off. I sent a letter CH confirming I want to take action against the company just in case it comes to that. Fortunately my first submission is with PSA however I have another with PSA UK, sent on the 3rd of October. This one is currently in the unknown. As the last submission sent to PSA was in the 28th of September. PSA UK don’t have the finances to return the latter submissions to their rightful owners.
I think most people using a middle man are ones who cannot afford the 20 card minimum for grading. If someone only has one or two cards to grade for a whole $60 that’s not so bad. But $600 plus shipping etc isn’t something everyone can swing.
@@HeyJoshyJosh back when they were Ludkins in 2021 there was no minimum. I personally only sent them 2 cards as I wanted to make sure the process was safe before sending a big submission.
@@benwillis5840 I don't know what it was like when they were ludkins, but since the PSA UK rebrand there was a 20 card minimum. That's what they told me when I emailed them, and I'm sure it was on their PSA UK brochure as well, which has now been removed.
@@HeyJoshyJosh I believe you, their policies have changed several times. There is still a brochure on their Ludkins Collectables site at /assets/public/pdfs/UK_EU_Grading.pdf?2396 which states 5 card minimum for October 2022.
My son is middleman doing PSA and he is official dealer for CGC. People send him cards without any info. You can't expect from everyone to be able submitting direct to PSA. 😄
@rattle pokemon ludkins was in EU thats why we use it , its not easy to send cards from here , you are saying not use it i agree for usa ppl , but this one was good and was in EU so for us middleman was better optinio then send direct , you must know that ppl dont speak well english, dont know how to grade, dont have usa phone to contact psa, most important this solve big shipping prices and import taxes middleman was great for EU customers but yes for USA ppl i agre dont use it
@@marcrobert2603 they are not for sure good middleman after this , i ship to paris and they promise to ship back from paris now i get from them only sorry, if they are not take care for taxes i will not use the in first place so o pass all this pain with them and they just say we dont have paris office anymore ))) sorry
I was telling people claiming they'd been waiting 2 years for their slabs months back that it was impropriety from their middleman services. I had bulk I sent in Feb 2021 take 18 months, but PSA had been transparent with reporting their wait times and if PSA is saying their longest wait is for cards submitted 6 months after yours, you should have been asking questions months ago.
Most people do not make companies with the express purpose of being bought out by a larger company, so that quip didn't make much sense. It's far better/more profitable to just attach yourself to a company like PSA as an intermediary, but obviously there are draw backs, as you can see here. Primarily, it leaves you open to potential mismanagement of money due to delays caused by a 3rd party (PSA) where you are not sending back the products the customer paid to for an extended period of time, or if a 3rd party closes submissions at lower tiers drying up your revenue streams, which means you either have to go bankrupt, touch customer money or sell off assets/mass layoffs to keep afloat. Unfortunate situation overall, but honestly this is what I would expect considering the situation and atmosphere the last 2 years for larger operations. Middle man companies that are solo operations could have weathered this no problem since they don't need to pay themselves jack shit.
I actually had cards with Ludkins from March 2021 and didn’t have a clue about what had happened until I saw this video! I’m all over the place as I was so looking forward to having them back! Thanks rattle!!
theyre gone, he alreadey sold them on ebay years ago. sorry for that, i always warned and watched his sells on ebay but nobody heard my voice. now you are all f****ed up. he made millions on ebay!
I have cards with ludkins unfortunately this is not good!, I will say though I remember your video slating GradedGem with out having any facts just to get views!! But those guys tbf have at least been transparent and updated me regularly on my cards even though they are no more
No, they shouldn't open in the UK, they should open in Germany or somewhere in the middle of EU, UK doesn't even belong to the EU anymore, woldn't make any sense to open in UK anymore. EU NOW.
@@HeyJoshyJosh yes, of course. But youre not getting the point here. The majority in EU still collect english cards. EU is just as big as US when it comes to collectibles, we have to pay import fees, handling fees, extreme shipping prices from the US, wait an extra 1-2 months on shipping, we have a much higher chance of loosing our Mail when shipping overseas etc. Having a PSA Office in the UK would ONLY benefit people in the UK, since UK is not a European country we still have the same issues as we have when sending to US. It doesnt make any sense at all. Germany would be perfect cus its the center of EU, shipping across EU FROM Germany is at most 2-4 business days anywhere in EU and Germany is a european country, UK isnt.
@@HeyJoshyJosh i know PLENTY of collectors wanting to grade their Cards, but they simply wont cus they dont wanna send stuff overseas that holds value. PSA opened in Japan aswell, why not EU???
@@cratedigga.mp3 the UK is still part of Europe, its just not part of the European Union, there's a difference. Its still located in Europe and is an European country. I agree with what you're saying about a UK office only mainly benefiting UK customers though. However the PSA UK brochure did say their end goal was to open an office in the UK, so it looks PSA does have plans for it, or at least they did have until PSA UK collapsed.
Rattle!!! Have you seen the Kaboom issue ??? The serial number leads to the case hit and I can share that cereal number if you’d like. I also have 2 other products this works for and I can show you. 1 is 2021 Panini One Football and the other was 2013 Ultimate Collection Football. I have a majority of the Dual Autograph/15 cards of Hall of fame players due to the way the company had packaged the items.
This guy lost all credibility when he went on Pawn Stars and said a misprint gastly was worth 3k, 🤣. Ya right. Dude got noticed based on his middleman stuff using PSA before the pandemic. Everyone was doing that. Nothing special about this dude.
@@RattlePokemon it's Charlie, the dude works for Ludkins collectibles specifically. Might not be THE guy but he basically verifies and is the 'credible' guy for LC. Not much difference when the entire company is reflected poorly on its decisions for 2 years.
I think graded cards will always have a place in the hobby, much like graded comics, graded coins, etc…. Simply due to people wanting a grade attached to the mintyness of there cards. However the companies surrounding these graded cards are poorly run. I agree you should always send the cards yourself
“We’re not gonna go too deep into it” (26 Minute video) 😮
The main issue is here that Ludkins did not ring fence money paid by customers up front for grading. He decided to keep customer money for whatever reason and not to pay PSA. Then when PSA slowed down accepting submissions they started to unravel. This is mismanagement of money which did not belong to Ludkins, they were holding it on trust for their customers to provide to PSA according to their bulk terms. PsA duly graded the cards, but Ludkins failed to pay them. They breached this basic tenant of consumer rights. I have submissions from Feb and March 2021 that have according to PSA been sitting with them for almost a year because Ludkins failed to pay them. Happy to provide all my receipts and email trails on this. I also have emails from Ludkins until as recently as October 2nd telling me PSA had not yet graded my cards! Utter bull. Oh and yes Ludkins deleted the XLS file prior to this announcement (as they did for all customers) which contained details of which cards were submitted (I can literally show you the Google drive which says deleted by Ludkins). Basically they were using that as a last ditch attempt to barging with PSA. Oh and also, deleting client data without client consent is an offence under the GDPR here in the UK. Super shady and ignorant actions by a company that should know better. It also makes it harder for clients to sue Ludkins for potential losses. Truly awful. @rattlepokemon please DM me and I'll happily share my files. Because these guys need to understand just how badly they've affected people and how far away from complying with English law they are.
Yeah, I had no idea that Ludkins didn't pay PSA in advance. In my opinion, Ludkins was 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'. Almost like a ponzi scheme, they required the income from new customers to pay the PSA bill for current customers. I guess the problem was that during the pandemic, any money they had in the bank was used to keep the business running but they couldn't take any new money as PSA were closed.
My guess is that when they reopened for submissions, Ludkins hoped to gain enough money to pay the PSA bill but this failed. Ludkins claimed to get 20,000-40,000 submissions a month, I don't know how true this is but I believe PSA hasn't been paid for January-May 2021 so we could be talking a very large sum of money.
@@benwillis5840 crazy....
Sorry that happened to you 😔
Do you still have these files !? Desperately trying to track down what happened from Canada. Please please let me know. Thanks !!
I know this is some old news now, But I’ve been out of the graded game for a few years, I have just read my Facebook messages from Barney, I sent card to him in 2016, well before everything took off during the pandemic. They took 12 months to get back to me 🤣 remember this was 2016…madness.
Give people a bunch of money and eventually someones going to run off with it.
My cards for my submission with Ludkins was registered with PSA back in January 2021 nearly two years now. saved my email receipts. This was my first ever card submission and wish I did more research before hand. Right now Ludkins have moved files that are usually shared with customers over google docs into a shared Bin so we cannot even access that anymore..........Yup.
Sorry you got screwed and I hope you won't miss your cards too much
Im in the same position as you i used Ludkins USA tho and i have my email receipt between them since Feb of 2021 this is ridiculous never again ill send my cards myself never never again.
I emailed PSA (the real PSA, not UK) back in early 2021 and asked them about submitting from the UK and they replied:
"Graded Gem and Ludkins are both PSA Authorized dealers, however they do not grade the cards at their facility - they are a third-party submitter and they will send your order to PSA on your behalf. I recommend using one of our authorized dealers, as they do abide by our customer bill of rights."
So that's what I did, I sent via Ludkins as they looked the more professional at the time and there was no negative feedback. I felt it would be safer to use an experienced middleman rather than put my cards in a parcel, send to the USA and hope it gets there!
I paid Ludkins and have kept in contact with them over the past 18 months. I have receipts and copies of email exchanges which I've sent to PSA but I'm happy to share them if you would like to see them.
Ludkins have deleted all documents from the shared Google drive where they put records of what cards we sent and when they were sent to PSA.
In the same boat as you smh
@@TheSteve7695 me too
@@Danzo1212 its ridiculous at this point never again going thru PSA myself. At first i blamed Covid but nah 2 years is unacceptable.
I still have my document on Google drive with the date sent and accepted by PSA, however doesn't mention my cards specifically.. I do have email exchanges between ludkins and myself with proof of cards and payment. Sent all this to PSA. I did receive cards I sent from 2020, but not the cards from March 21...
I’m at 2 years with grade gem now, the cards have been stuck in the grading stage for about 9 months now.
Someone on the Efour Forum was saying the boxes/packaging that cards are being returned in from PSA to Ludkins are from 6+ months ago... almost like they had been graded and were sitting around. Wonder if there’s any truth to that.
I’m worried this isn’t just a UK problem. I also have 2 submissions with Ludkins US from January and February 2020 and haven’t had any movement in many months, only that it’s in the “grading” stage at PSA. I’ve gotten all my direct submissions back, even bulk submissions submitted this year directly. Never going through a middle man ever again.
Its not only the UK branch its USA one too cuz mine have been there since Feb 2021 sooo its been stuck on grading for almost a year smh i just want my cards back.
Same here. Ludkins USA bulk submission from feb 2021
@@TheSteve7695 I also submitted in Feb 2021 to the UK branch :(
Extremely unfortunate situation. Hope everyone can get their cards back
Agreed 😐
Just got my last sub with them back finally toon a year
actually theyre likely flippers, so theyre bad for the industry and u dont want them to get it back!
@@OpossumBud goat
"You Data Is Secure!"
Yeah sounds really legit lmfaoooo
I was thinking to use ludkins couple of months ago but they were not very upfront with pricing
I can’t understand why psa is not opening a facility in UK or EU
I have graded 150 cards with James at graded gem, and I can say he is an honest guy. He was left out for dead by the UK graded gem. If you watch James’s videos you see him trying to answer questions to UK based customers. James basically got a workload for 2 years and had to essentially do it himself. Although, going forward I would grade cards myself just so I can know where they are
The UK Graded Gem is the one I'm referencing. Same confusion with two different Ludkins. -_-
@@RattlePokemon yeah I know, I was more just saying it because other people (not you) categorize those guys with the UK guys, which I get the frustration customer have though
James is a legend
Looks like Ludkins have been payed by customers, just they are not paying PSA.
Well it really makes me think twice about using a middle man. I have considered it
Need a video on submitting to PSA from UK (or internationally)
Well said on just having PSA fulfill this service instead of letting these leeches/scammers do it and having to deal with this stuff when there is zero form of accountability for these people
I'm one of the unfortunate ones that subbed with ludkins UK in 2021, I took a chill back seat and thought they will come back whenever they comeback, around 6-8k gbp in value depending on the grades I got. Hopefully this mess gets sorted, I've filled in everything I can to psa via the Google sheet they put in there announcement. But was a little more niave when I submitted and didn't know the hobby as well as I do now. We shall see if I ever get these cards back 😅
YOU WONT
@@Henleyrocks that's nice.
theyre gone, he alreadey sold them on ebay years ago. sorry for that, i always warned and watched his sells on ebay but nobody heard my voice. now you are all f****ed up. he made millions on ebay!
@@babokanal4223 hmm thats interesting, I'd love to see any evidence you have of this
@@babokanal4223 would also see his ebay account
The greed is real.
How do I find the "PSA submission and/or order numbers" that are requested in the PSA google form? Thanks!!
Great job BARNEY. In this day and age everyone trying to talk crap without all the info. Hats off to you for bringing just the facts to the table. I wish more channels were like yours. Thank you.
This situation is wild
The problem with this is people submitted using them, and then proceeded to tell everybody it was a great service before they got their cards back. Facebook posts regarding grading were everywhere in 2021 and the ones that had already submitted via Ludkins were shouting their heads off about how great a service it was before their own service was complete 😂
I don't like Grading, but the only time I did it, I used Ludkins and they were excellent. All of this is very troubling.
I still got cards with ludkins USA from before the shutdown. Where my cards bro.
Same smh
look my situation, first they broke our deal i send cards to them when they was part of EU also second sub i made with them i send i sent via they Paris office they need to solve imports and that was main reason i go with them, after 2 year of pain and stress they told me i need to pay imports, because they late 2 years in mean time they close Paris office (it means if they work faster my subs will back with Paris office and i will not pay import taxes) and now i need to pay them they say sorry to me and thats it , so they broke our deal and i cant do nothing about that, then 3-4 weeks ago ludkins send me message that my cards are in his office in UK and i need to pay extra value to psa and i pay it then I send them shipping info they told me someone will back to you but from that point they stop answer on my messages, then 3 weeks after this hanky panky thing start to going on, then PSA ask as to fill form and most of us dont have number of submission as ludkins hide it, so if i want to fill PSA form I need to fill it wthout that number and then PSA will take long time to find my cards, so what happend next is that Ludkins answer on they facebook wall that cards wich are now in his office will be shippend next week to customers, so tell me what to do now ? where are my cards in PSA or in Ludkins office )) i eaven send Nat Turner instagram message and he told me that he do not know what to do, i ask Ludkins on facebook wall did my cards really in your office as you guys told me 3 weeks ago or not? , still no answer
beaucoup courage....(english cards or french)
this is terrifying as someone who has cards with ludkins uk and they are ghosting me website is down, i dont know how to go about getting my cards back now
Are they early enough to be with PSA? If so, fill out the form.
@@RattlePokemon They were registered at PSA in may 2021 pretty sure they are in the backlog can i still use the form?
Currently hoping I can get mine back it's been nearly 2 years and I have no idea what's going on, my first ever submission all 50 of my best cards gone
i sent my cards to them July 2021 and not got them back so lost the money I gave them and my childhood base set Charizard card and thoughts on what to do?
glad i just got my own registration since it basically pays for itself with the first sub
A while back, I won a TCG booster box that was auctioned by Ludkins on eBay. I paid right away. A week later, no shipping update or response to my messages inquiring about shipping status. After a month, I opened up a case with eBay and within a few days, someone from Ludkins responded and said it was already shipped and they would look into it. A week later, that person responded saying they were waiting for a plastic case to ship it in. Fortunately, I did receive this booster a week after they finally shipped it.
My guess is that this booster box sold for a lot less than they wanted, and they did not want to cancel the order. Instead, they were hoping I would cancel it, to avoid selling fees. When I opened up the case, they had no choice but to ship it out. Why did I think this? There was a PSA card that sold a min after the booster box that was shipped out and received positive feedback - this was the only way I was able to trace a timestamp for it to compare my item to.
I then did some research and found that they were a middleman grading service for PSA. I also heard about other middleman services that had trouble with PSA or went bankrupt, etc. Now this. I’m not surprised. I had a feeling they were having financial issues.
this is post of ludkins you miss it and i mention under : LC UK
We are still here doing all what we can for you.
- We will be reinstating all client documents as soon as we can. This is a timely process.
- Any orders in the PO BOX will be sent back to customers Monday.
- Any orders at the office will be returned to their owners next week.
We will reach out to those individual customers.
Psa doesn't charge you until the cards are graded . I feel like it's a good faith thing with it's customers since they have the cards for a period of time an don't wanna tie up a customers funds until it's ready to send back so it's kinda tough
I sent through Polaris Grading an order to CGC and it got impacted due to them using a Ludkins UK account. Paid express 5-7 business days service and it has been already 4 months of it being in the limbo. If anyone is in the same situation as me please let me know.
Yep sent my cards in May through Polaris and haven't seen them back.
In the same situation. Sent in late June; 50+ card submission with heavy hitters and my childhood favorites. I’m extremely, extremely sad and disheartened-seriously feel like quitting the hobby altogether. I know a few others from Reddit who have also had their orders impacted after sending with Polaris.
@@patty260 I created an E4 thread please update it with any info you got
@@papafrankgod5930 Will offer any info I can to help, but mind I ask what E4 is?
Treat everything like it's a scam until you can prove it's not than you will stay safe.
i'm about to send like 10 cards from my personal collection through a middleman here in switzerland to psa. because i don't get it how to submit my cards directly to psa. they offer 29$/card service. turnaround times 90-120 days. i'm still unsure if i should do this or not because i've seen some other middleman stuff like package got lost or cards did not arrived. can someone maybe show me how i submit to psa the easy way without a middleman?
I would like to know how to do this also without the middleman
Woah!!! That is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!! Those poor people who lost their cards
To your question why would you grade a card at all if you don't want to fill out a form.
As a European Its because credit cards aren't such a commonality here (Which is the only way to pay for submisions) plus the import fees can be a hassle to have to deal with.
Middlemen just offer a very convenient alternative way.
Next to that it avoids having to pay for grading companies memberships.
Unfortunately nothing is easy in the Pokémon community atm. I honestly don’t understand why PSA didn’t use this as a sister site where they graded cards in the UK. This is why my cards are home safe with me. If I want to grade cards I would send them directly or buy them already graded. I’m sure there will be more sh*t that hits the fan with Pokémon in the future.
You know what's easy. Buying raw single cards and enjoying them.
Hey Rattle, thank you for making a video on this. It seems like Polaris might also be involved. Apparently they were sending CGC subs under Ludkins UK, submissions that were coming from the United States no less. Some folks have been out cards since Summer. I imagine people who sent orders through Ludkins US might also be impacted. I have no idea why these two services were streamlining their submissions to this UK branch, but it's all sketchy as hell. Hoping CGC says something and that they're still in possession of those cards.
What about lUDKINS USA?
New Rule: Don't use middleman services, ever.
I can't speak for my experience with Ludkins as I've never graded with them. However, I've got a 120ish cards November 2020 sub with Graded Gem UK which has been split into different orders. I've got about 50% of those cards back and the next batch will be 2-4 weeks I imagine. I know their partnership ended a while back with PSA they have kept customers in the loop and returns are flooding back now for people.
So glad I didn't submit with PSA UK was very tempted!
Not got any cards with graded gem myself but have seen people have been getting their cards back recently
The Marx cards issue is still ongoing. I just got a email saying they are ready to start separating my cards. I sent two orders got one back about a month ago, still waiting on the other.
Solid video on an unfortunate topic 👍🏽😐
So use CGC instead of PSA now?
Sounds like there are cards also stuck at CGC.
Most people have been getting their GradedGem stuff back, mainly just the 2021 stuff coming back now I got my October 2020 submission back in August.
Psa should ask for a 50% payment up front, paying for cards after there graded seems like a poor move, it gives these 3rd party companies time to commingle funds.
this seems like the most viable solution i agree
Deleted previous comment to clarify. Rusty still has cards out from before shutdown and has had all his grading special orders returned.
Why is psa leaking these out slowly? Well, they don’t take payment until the cards enter grading. So in a year from now when the stonkdog69’er grading modern cards shut down; psa has people on the hook for all these orders and has guaranteed income for several quarters.
Ludkins stopped communicathing few months ago...at the beginning of summer holiday....those 2 months holiday are often misused to go bankrupt in silence....
I sent my cards to GG and was one of the last packages they accepted before shutting it down. I got my cards 2-3 weeks ago.
I’m guessing their search engine optimisation is trash because I can’t find these articles and I’m affected…please can you share links to sources???
Ludkins were going to be stricken off by companies house. Fortunately someone. (Possibly PSA themselves) had written to Companies in house to refute them being stricken off. I sent a letter CH confirming I want to take action against the company just in case it comes to that. Fortunately my first submission is with PSA however I have another with PSA UK, sent on the 3rd of October. This one is currently in the unknown. As the last submission sent to PSA was in the 28th of September. PSA UK don’t have the finances to return the latter submissions to their rightful owners.
Mannn the 💩 never ends lol. Great work Rattle👍🏼
PSA doesn’t have UK branch cause it’s all about quality control.
Sheesh... what a mess. Oh, on a sidenote, I hope I never meet Rebecca. Haha!
I think most people using a middle man are ones who cannot afford the 20 card minimum for grading. If someone only has one or two cards to grade for a whole $60 that’s not so bad. But $600 plus shipping etc isn’t something everyone can swing.
PSA UK orders all had to be a minimum of 20 cards. They charged £21.50 each card, so anyone using them would have spent at least £430
@@HeyJoshyJosh back when they were Ludkins in 2021 there was no minimum. I personally only sent them 2 cards as I wanted to make sure the process was safe before sending a big submission.
@@benwillis5840 I don't know what it was like when they were ludkins, but since the PSA UK rebrand there was a 20 card minimum. That's what they told me when I emailed them, and I'm sure it was on their PSA UK brochure as well, which has now been removed.
@@HeyJoshyJosh I believe you, their policies have changed several times. There is still a brochure on their Ludkins Collectables site at /assets/public/pdfs/UK_EU_Grading.pdf?2396 which states 5 card minimum for October 2022.
My son is middleman doing PSA and he is official dealer for CGC. People send him cards without any info. You can't expect from everyone to be able submitting direct to PSA. 😄
@rattle pokemon ludkins was in EU thats why we use it , its not easy to send cards from here , you are saying not use it i agree for usa ppl , but this one was good and was in EU so for us middleman was better optinio then send direct , you must know that ppl dont speak well english, dont know how to grade, dont have usa phone to contact psa, most important this solve big shipping prices and import taxes middleman was great for EU customers but yes for USA ppl i agre dont use it
Was in EU, after brexit not anymore.... There are still good EU middlemen
@@marcrobert2603 they are not for sure good middleman after this , i ship to paris and they promise to ship back from paris now i get from them only sorry, if they are not take care for taxes i will not use the in first place so o pass all this pain with them and they just say we dont have paris office anymore ))) sorry
@@Jugoplastika in that case i have to summon my son,just watch him at facebook hirograding,much luck with your submissions
In all honesty, I was thinking about tagging you earlier today on something I saw on this!
Bout time you did a video on this
Bout time you watched it. :P
I was telling people claiming they'd been waiting 2 years for their slabs months back that it was impropriety from their middleman services. I had bulk I sent in Feb 2021 take 18 months, but PSA had been transparent with reporting their wait times and if PSA is saying their longest wait is for cards submitted 6 months after yours, you should have been asking questions months ago.
Most people do not make companies with the express purpose of being bought out by a larger company, so that quip didn't make much sense. It's far better/more profitable to just attach yourself to a company like PSA as an intermediary, but obviously there are draw backs, as you can see here. Primarily, it leaves you open to potential mismanagement of money due to delays caused by a 3rd party (PSA) where you are not sending back the products the customer paid to for an extended period of time, or if a 3rd party closes submissions at lower tiers drying up your revenue streams, which means you either have to go bankrupt, touch customer money or sell off assets/mass layoffs to keep afloat.
Unfortunate situation overall, but honestly this is what I would expect considering the situation and atmosphere the last 2 years for larger operations. Middle man companies that are solo operations could have weathered this no problem since they don't need to pay themselves jack shit.
I actually had cards with Ludkins from March 2021 and didn’t have a clue about what had happened until I saw this video! I’m all over the place as I was so looking forward to having them back! Thanks rattle!!
theyre gone, he alreadey sold them on ebay years ago. sorry for that, i always warned and watched his sells on ebay but nobody heard my voice. now you are all f****ed up. he made millions on ebay!
Rebecca and Richard need help! haha
DUDE!! When are you gonna…. Oh you just did
I graded my 1ed Charizard... So i hope this shit is going to go well! .........fucking helll
PSA's one armed lawyer came to my front door personally to collect my submission. Doesn't get any more direct than that.
PikaSA
I have cards with ludkins unfortunately this is not good!, I will say though I remember your video slating GradedGem with out having any facts just to get views!! But those guys tbf have at least been transparent and updated me regularly on my cards even though they are no more
😂😂👍
No, they shouldn't open in the UK, they should open in Germany or somewhere in the middle of EU, UK doesn't even belong to the EU anymore, woldn't make any sense to open in UK anymore.
EU NOW.
It's probably more to do with the popularity of the English language, English trading cards are the most popular.
@@HeyJoshyJosh yes, of course. But youre not getting the point here. The majority in EU still collect english cards. EU is just as big as US when it comes to collectibles, we have to pay import fees, handling fees, extreme shipping prices from the US, wait an extra 1-2 months on shipping, we have a much higher chance of loosing our Mail when shipping overseas etc. Having a PSA Office in the UK would ONLY benefit people in the UK, since UK is not a European country we still have the same issues as we have when sending to US. It doesnt make any sense at all. Germany would be perfect cus its the center of EU, shipping across EU FROM Germany is at most 2-4 business days anywhere in EU and Germany is a european country, UK isnt.
@@HeyJoshyJosh i know PLENTY of collectors wanting to grade their Cards, but they simply wont cus they dont wanna send stuff overseas that holds value. PSA opened in Japan aswell, why not EU???
@@cratedigga.mp3 because japanese is the 2nd most popular language when it comes to collectibles.
@@cratedigga.mp3 the UK is still part of Europe, its just not part of the European Union, there's a difference. Its still located in Europe and is an European country.
I agree with what you're saying about a UK office only mainly benefiting UK customers though. However the PSA UK brochure did say their end goal was to open an office in the UK, so it looks PSA does have plans for it, or at least they did have until PSA UK collapsed.
Rattle!!! Have you seen the Kaboom issue ??? The serial number leads to the case hit and I can share that cereal number if you’d like. I also have 2 other products this works for and I can show you. 1 is 2021 Panini One Football and the other was 2013 Ultimate Collection Football. I have a majority of the Dual Autograph/15 cards of Hall of fame players due to the way the company had packaged the items.
By the way, I tried to share this with Sports card Investor and Neo a while ago but nobody wanted to listen
I buy graded unless I have a seriously good card, then I go Beckett.
This guy lost all credibility when he went on Pawn Stars and said a misprint gastly was worth 3k, 🤣. Ya right. Dude got noticed based on his middleman stuff using PSA before the pandemic. Everyone was doing that. Nothing special about this dude.
Ludkins has been around for years, he's just a mongrel, took the money and the cards when business was on the go-slow.
Not the same guy.
@@RattlePokemon there's no way, that dude works for them then
@@RattlePokemon it's Charlie, the dude works for Ludkins collectibles specifically. Might not be THE guy but he basically verifies and is the 'credible' guy for LC. Not much difference when the entire company is reflected poorly on its decisions for 2 years.
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I'm not a fan of graded cards. All risk, too expensive, and always questionable.
I think graded cards will always have a place in the hobby, much like graded comics, graded coins, etc…. Simply due to people wanting a grade attached to the mintyness of there cards. However the companies surrounding these graded cards are poorly run. I agree you should always send the cards yourself
I'm not fan off buying a card and getting a much worse sended. Still respect for your vieuw. 99.9% off my cards aren't graded.😄
3rd!
Hope you lost some cards too rattle
Hope you pay attention enough in the future to know I don't grade cards. Lol
If you have cards missing, get it right up you all. The great graded card scam in full flow.
grading isn't the issue its the companies doing it we can't go back to 1980 wihtout grading have way to many returns