Carved Top Veneering
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- This video teaches you about the tools and techniques required to veneer the complex 3D shape of a carved top guitar.
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I wasn't looking for those "perfect technique great successful videos" about this theme... I was looking for this kind of REAL LIFE VIDEO where i could see the real problems and start to figuring out how to avoid them or fix 'em, and yeah... THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO! Thanks you very mucho.
Great video verhoevc! Thanks so much. That part in the video where the centerline in the veneer is being pulled apart as a result of the section of the carved top that is concave was an eye opener! Great educational video!
Exactly what I needed. I'm building an arched back for my acoustics and started with a straight seam which did not go well. Thanks for the clear instructions.
This is a VERY WELL done video on how to Veneer a Carve Top....thanks for sharing it and for your work of putting it together!
i sure hope they make a guitar that deserves such a veneer, cause that piece of wood is incredible!
Fantastic demonstration.
merci encore, j'ai fait le dessus de ma guitare, ça y est j'ai collé, cela à l'air parfait ! je m'y suis repris 8 fois pour un ajustement aux maximum ...!
Nice video and great method, Chris. Definitely going to give this method a go when I start building again. I actually like it for the ability to put a harder 'cap' on a spruce topped electric, because I like the idea of a spruce topped electric but not the look nor the lack of dent resistance.
Thank you for this awesome video!!
Very nice and informative video thanks for sharing !!
I have also done photoflame, screen printed wood grains. I owe Steven's Decal for the wonderful multi-color techniques. Some of their high end artwork has as many as 3000 colors and a screen for each color.
Thanx for sharing, great jig!
Thanx for sharing! Nice jig!
Thanks. I have done a lot of vac bag veneering including guitar side but not a carved top. I'm a little surprised the top does not collapse at 22HG. I would of been inclinded to bag it w'o the flat base . I will look for your carving video.
Mike Mcnerney
Bonjour à vous, Un grand merci pour cette vidéo qui va bien m'aider pour faire le placage de ma guitare type lespaul. étant Français, j'ai compris car vous expliquez très bien avec les mains aussi ! bravo pour vos guitares que j'ai aperçu, qui sont magnifiques! bien cordialement , Vincent - France
Looks like ebony. Sounds like whatever PICK UP you put in it.
Hahahahaha, I actually agree with a large amount of this statement.
Getting those pieces to line up with a perfect center line looks difficult. Could you overlap them, stick it in the vacuum bag to get the contour, then get a ruler and cut down the center?
No.
Thank you thank you thank you Chris! I truly love your videos purely because they explain the thought processes and motivations behind the techniques, not just the techniques themselves.
Also, the closed caption option on TH-cam is amusing when watching the video a second time. For example 4:30
"it is a very traditional felker so far. it is not to be like all bastardy carved and is socially usually has about fast economy a flat talk area and what it is to certain point kenneth"
Hmm.
excellent! looks perfect.
Bah hahaha, that's awesome. I've never tried to watch stuff with that! Boy was it a mess trying to find a way to export it in higher quality like you asked. In a way that didn't mess up the audio and respected the 5-second picture at the beginning! But I finally figured it out... where you ask? The TH-cam site bah hahaha. How is THAT the last place I think of looking after so many other sites failing me with bad recommendations!
You were born to teach. Very good video.
Yup, works great for just normal gluing too. It's just the continuous-run system from Joe Woodworker/Veneer Supplies.
do you use vacuum bag when you glue this top to the guitar base?
Great video.
Great video! You are a very detailed teacher! Excellent! At 4:08 you recommend watching a video on how to carve a bell-curve on a guitar top. Where can I find tbis video please?
It's on my channel as well as being imbedded in the 'whole build how-to' one.
@verhoevc where I can buy the vacuum bag? I found it just for cleaner and stuff... tnx! great job!
Great video.. Thanks for the tips!
Have you ever bagged a built hollowbody or acoustic? I would be afraid of crushing the guitar..
do you have a picture of the finished guitar? that ebony veneer is gorgeous! thanks a lot for the tutorial, i guess for a woodworking noob like me it's going to be easier to make a carve top out of a thick piece of flame maple than veneer flame on top of plain maple. how much do those vacuum pumps cost though?
How many L/min you recommend for the vacum machine?
Many thanks for the explaination. Although I'm not so much experienced and I've had a few bad experiences with veneer already. too afraid to sand too much away at one spot and not being able to recover it and making it worse and worse.
Maybe a dump question but just to understand. What would happen if I taped both sides (left and right) of the veneer together (simple straight line) so that the veneer cannot overlap on the neck and bottom areas of the carved body top then put it under vaccum?? will i have to expect bubbles or cracks somewhere else ?
+Soulleecher I'd imagine it would buckle and not sit flat in areas.
Brilliant.
How do you get that template?
I’ve heard that using regular titebond on a veneer it’s not a good idea because the regular one has too much water or moisture and can bleed through the veneer making it a pain in the ass to stain with light colors, titebond makes a “veneer glue” the bottle is green and the glue is gray, its just thicker
Titebond do a veneer adhesive. In the UK we use tissue tape and I'd get a wall paper hanging seam roller to go over the surface as you are getting to vacuum.
re "sand-through", that depends upon thickness/species....most currently available veneers are VERY thin (1/50" or so)....and, certain species, such as anigre'/ lacewood/redwood burl, are VERY SOFT, and will "sand-through" fairly quickly.....the veneer in this demo is macassar ebony, which is (by contrast) VERY hard, and so, more "forgiving" re sanding....
Nice video now i know how to veneer, but I got a one piece back.
When jointing your top, you've made a very wobbly shooting board. Perhaps building a proper rigid shooting board is in your future?
Eh, probably not. I have a good shooting board for stuff that I'm trying to get nice, perfect, straight edges on. The key here is to be able to clamp thin pieces flat, quickly remove them to be able to check your work, and get a curved joint. For those purposes, this method works best for me.
Hi,where can i find good Venere sheet,id like some quilted maple veneer,im in europe tho
In case you're stil looking for a supplier I get mine at hout-Fineer. Nl they have a great selection for reasonable prizes.
yes
Joe Woodworker has them. They're several hundred bucks all said and done. As for the finished guitar, I don't build that shape. I just did this up for the purpose of this video. Someone else has the top now, not sure what they'll do with it.
Is this your day job? If it is your the luckiest man on earth.
Nope. Just a hobby :) I've done it as my day job for other luthiers and as much fun as it is, I don't think I'd want to do it all day, every day for the rest of my life. It's good as a hobby and I think that's where I'll keep it.
Why wouldn't you use a roller to spread the glue???
Could.
If you carved the body top out of a 3/4" thick piece of the desired wood, the result would be a 3 dimensional grain exposure, rather than a 2 dimensional mat stretched over a 3 dimensional shape. It might cost $75 to $150 more per guitar, but the look would be far better and the value of the guitar would double.
tim, with a wood like curly Macassar ebony the blank for that guitar would cost much more than what you think. not only that but its near impossible to find boards of curly macassar ebony that are wide enough for a bookmatch for a gui.
@@colinmckay5228 They made that veneer from a thicker piece of wood... right? My guess would be a 5/8ths thick blank would cost $500-$700. The resulting guitar could easily fetch $5,000. So why not do it?
@@timhallas4275 well for a few reasons: upfront cost, liability, scarcity of material, and in this instance material workability (ebony is pretty tough stuff, not to mention figured ebony) I agree with you, a guitar carved top made from solid wood would be extremely nice and sell for a lot. But why make one $10000 guitar when you can make twelve $3000 guitars from the same lot of veneer? when you're talking about something relatively common like curly maple I'm all for going crazy with a beautiful carved top, but realistically for such a hard and rare wood that's not practical or remotely reasonable.
@@colinmckay5228 It's not practical or reasonable to spend $100 billion on a supersonic/ stealth long range bomber either,, but we did it, and we now have 100% dominance over the competition. Sometimes the goal is not practical, but it is historically significant. Don't you want to be historically significant?
@@timhallas4275 I really don't know why you're still at it. I already agreed with you and admitted it would be cool in my last comment.
Oh. That's by no means my only piece of it :)
I got my non-cycling vacuum pump from veneersupplies.com aka Joe Woodworker. I do NOT recommend using it to glue down anything more than like 1/8" tops. Not even 1/4" tops! Especially not carved tops! Clamps provide SO much more pressure and are so much more effective at clamping. I only use the bag for thin material on odd surfaces. Don't ask me how I know this :)
Wenn die Absaugung oder der Ventilator aus wären, könnte man besser verstehen was gesagt wird, bzw. verhoevc müsste nicht so laut schreien. Ansonsten ein tolles Video!
It sounds like whatever pickups you have in it.
Great video though!
Lol oh so funny... oh you were serious? Well then, maybe I should try that particle board guitar out... the pickups are magnets that 'pick up' the polarity from the strings. The strings vibrate when plucked/strumed. That 'vibration' resonates throughout the guitar. Thus 'tonal woods' such as the 'dense' mahogany or the 'less dense' or 'airy' alder have different tonal properties and subsequently different tonal applications.
Jacob Carrasco I think ya'll both have merit. On the one hand... I'm also of the opinion that the wood doesn't contribute nearly as much as people think it does. It contributes... but I agree that it's influence is miles behind real keys like the pickups, the string type, and scale length. Granted, this is for electric instruments*
verhoevc I do think that the guitar's sound is influenced by the wood in a very subtle way as well. It makes perfect sense what he said about the density of the wood however I do not think it totally changes tonal properties.
Just like with all things there are obvious limits and choices that can make a bigger difference than others. Yes, I think an all ebony guitar will definitely influence the sound we "know" as a standard guitar because it's such a vast difference from the lighter woods. I also think that a particle board guitar won't sound as good as saw a swamp ash guitar. But with this example I think it has less to do with what the wood is and more to do with it's structure. Particle board has high damping and doesn't transfer vibrations well due to it's particle structure. But, is it as big a difference as people think between very similar woods... I'm not part of that camp. Good (read quality) wood is good wood. From there it gets a little voodoo'y.
verhoevc I wonder what a granite top would produce....
That's a carved top on the outside. It's not carved on the inside. If I were to want to make an acoustic instrument with a carved and braced inside, I'd do that after this veneering process.
lucky guy ;)
There's no such thing as tonewood, don't let that hinder the process.
I'll both agree and disagree with you here. In general I will agree that there is no such thing as 'tone wood' in that some woods are better than others at 'sounding good' in an electric guitar. Heck, I love playing with alternative woods. However, there are definitely some characteristics of woods that make them more suited for some purposes than others. Such as what's discussed here in this video; if I made this top out of solid Ebony that would end up being a VERY bright guitar. You'd have some work cut out for you in pickup selection to tame that beast.
Understandable, but I even disagree with that statement. Tone is not affected by wood at all. It's how you put the wood together. The only reason I argue this with you is because I've seen PROOF of this.
You need to give me PROOF that the type or species of wood - by itself - is what is actually manipulating the actual frequencies of the sound waves themselves. Wood has no affect on the tone you hear produced by the guitar.
This is an age-old argument with tons of folks on each side... And it's nothing that we're going to solve here in a TH-cam thread haha. But regardless, here's my take: strings exert a great amount of force on a guitar. Enough that when you play them their vibrations also vibrate the guitar itself. Read up on the concept of Acoustic Resonance as that will explain why this is important. Essentially, the woods the guitar is made of can do two things; they can reinforce or hinder (dampen) the vibrations from the strings. They can also do this over different frequency ranges. This reinforcement or dampening will PHYSICALLY affect the strings' vibrations. This is how it affects the tone despite pickups only picking up the fluctuations in a magnetic field made by the strings. A lot of people argue that a pickup isn't a true microphone and therefore can't 'hear' the wood. It doesn't, it hears the affects of the wood on the movement of the strings.
'No Treble's article "How and why woods affect your bass sound" does a pretty decent job of summarizing this as well.
You're right, it's a war that'll never be won, only sustained - no pun intended. We'll agree to disagree, but keep the videos coming.
I think it's too difficult
Give it a go if you have the tools. It's not too bad once you try it!
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