well , rather not call it superiority but just ''adaptation'' but aye , refreshing compared to the ''15 min of lovecraft style chanting list of adjectives about the same thought before making 'grand' event'' all to often V.I generated repetitive tosh
@@ADerpyReality think you mean that in reverse , and while true in this concept its not rich 'people' in the sense of individuals as a 'rich society' and indeed a society with plenty of resources can splurge on exploring and research that a society wich have to constantly ration to ensure stockpiles for poor times simply cant
Something I've said for a long time: necessity is NOT the mother of invention. If anything, it's the daughter. The mother of invention and innovation is surplus. People who need to get a job done immediately don't have the freedom to sit and think about how to do it better, or to waste resources on a likely failure, so they just do what they always do. It's when it's okay to fail, when there's time and resources to waste, that people are able to stop and think of new concepts or test those ideas out. Just look at the history of invention in the last century or two. A huge portion of the most revolutionary inventions came from a lab that had no interest in the fields those inventions addressed, because the lab had enough resources to allow their researchers and developers to pursue any project they wanted, even if it wasn't applicable to the company's products, even if it was going to be incredibly costly. Our explosive increase in technology didn't come from aliens or anything of the sort; it came from a bunch of geeks who were given time and freedom to forget about any specific goals or interests and simply ask "I wonder what would happen if..." and the resources to find the answer to that question.
I love this so much. I've pondered why alot of our scientific advancements came from military research. Now I get it, it was scientist, engineers, etc who had breathing room to develop stuff such as the internet, GPS and the likes.
I would say necessity is the grandmother, efficiency is the mother, then surplus is the daughter, organized such because when one has nothing, one NEEDS to make things to survive, as in ancient times. Once established, one starts actively thinking about how to do things better and more efficiently. Eventually, one has enough societal surplus that one can use spoiled canned food for target practice and the easy efficiency increases have been snapped up. The surplus allows people to specialize in pushing the boundaries and unlocking new technologies.
Honestly very interesting having earth be a paradise world while still being hfy is interesting it’s basically saying “survival of the fittest” isn’t always the best strategy or the one that leads to success
That's because "Survival of the fittest" doesn't always mean "Survival of the strongest". The aliens are much stronger, from the information we're given. Faster, tougher, horrifyingly dangerous to be with in a dark trenchline. But they never had industry, because they never had resources, so on and so forth, because their planets were too dangerous. It made them strong, it didn't make them fit for large-scale warfare. Where industry is what mattered, they were obscenely outmatched
Well, think on it thusly: Humanity has terraforming tech. Why wouldn't one use it to make a formerly hostile deathworld home into a paradise? Who knows if the planet was always a paradise world in this setting, or if the aliens just assume that because humanity had changed the planet so long ago that it was before they were first detected? Only the author could say for sure, I suppose.
- hey, what's this big empty room here? - human, that's a breathing room - a breeding room you say? Oh come on! We all know that humans are the hornballs of the galaxy! "If it has a hole..."
So, this story perfectly represents a real-life scientific principle in evolutionary biology, known as K versus R reproductive strategies. The POV character is clearly from a species that practices an R reproductive species, where breeding adults will crank out babies one after another and instantly leave them to fend for themselves with the "R" standing for rapid, as in rapid fire their reproductive organs seem to be exclusively designed for. Meanwhile, both in this story and in real life, humans and elephants are the poster children of K reproductive strategies, where the number of babies produced is far smaller, but the amount of care, which is where the "K" label comes from, is far greater, often times parents taking decades to fully cut off the offspring from the adults' resources and guidance, with elephant cows never hitting that cut off as they stick with the herds formed from their mothers, aunts, and grandmothers for all their lives. The result is that in ideal conditions, is that an R species will just pop out hundreds of kids, and congratulate those that survive to adulthood, while the K species will only have one or two babies, and invest everything into keeping them alive and growing, and almost always be guaranteed to get all those babies to come out of the process as fully grown and competent adults.
the spartans/the vikings/the samurai are cool and all... but funnily enough they don't exist anymore... and we live a much better life now than they ever did....
"Breathing room" means that you have more resources than just for survival. It gives you idle time and lets you wait for how things go. No need for immediate action ...
@@loganshaw4527 yes sure... but only a few of them achieved that... but you missed the point... it was only when the norse became more peaceful that the people as a whole got a better standard of living... this is of course a very simplified and boiled down interpretation of what happened and it didn't happen overnight...
@@volkmarkostka6763 It also lets you waste resources on projects that fail, which teaches you what doesn't work. A society living on knife's edge can't afford to experiment with better ways to do thing because they can't afford the losses from failed attempts. This will retard the pace of technological advancement.
Errrebody need "breathing room". Germany, russia, japan, China. They all needed it. America needed it. That's why we put Native Americans on a nickel. So we could remember what they looked like. I'm just wondering how come it is, that getting your "breathing room" has to involve making someone else stop breathing? 😢
There was another story like this where humans were on a paradise world. Essentially the moral of that story was that the reason humans were so deadly was while all the aliens were playing PvE on their deathworlds humans had been evolved on a paradise world where they played PvP against all the other species and each other.
"I'm just wondering how come it is, that getting your "breathing room" has to involve making someone else stop breathing?" carnivores need meat to survive. so they will gladly kill and eat animals herbivores need vegetables to survive. so they trample grass and eat it. sometimes leaves, etc sometimes those plants die because of that omnivores can eat both. so they kill both some plants kill and eat insects humans wanted safety so they brought close to extinction many carnivore species. overall the easiest way to survive is to take from someone that worked hard to gather winners in wars often take from the losers. sometimes they take everything. side note: you can add to your list the ottoman empire and how it terrorized for centuries eastern europe you can add the huns, the romans, the greeks, the mongols. most likely half of the countries of earth invaded a neighbor at some point in time
A total breath of fresh air seeing Earth described as a paradise world and not a deathworld. Very well read btw.
Exactly I still love earth deathworld stories but this is really refreshing
This is a refreshingly grounded take on human superiority
well , rather not call it superiority but just ''adaptation'' but aye , refreshing compared to the ''15 min of lovecraft style chanting list of adjectives about the same thought before making 'grand' event'' all to often V.I generated repetitive tosh
Rich people have advantages so why not environments?
@@ADerpyReality think you mean that in reverse , and while true in this concept its not rich 'people' in the sense of individuals as a 'rich society'
and indeed a society with plenty of resources can splurge on exploring and research that a society wich have to constantly ration to ensure stockpiles for poor times simply cant
An intelligent and well reasoned story truly one of the better science fiction stories
Something I've said for a long time: necessity is NOT the mother of invention. If anything, it's the daughter. The mother of invention and innovation is surplus. People who need to get a job done immediately don't have the freedom to sit and think about how to do it better, or to waste resources on a likely failure, so they just do what they always do. It's when it's okay to fail, when there's time and resources to waste, that people are able to stop and think of new concepts or test those ideas out.
Just look at the history of invention in the last century or two. A huge portion of the most revolutionary inventions came from a lab that had no interest in the fields those inventions addressed, because the lab had enough resources to allow their researchers and developers to pursue any project they wanted, even if it wasn't applicable to the company's products, even if it was going to be incredibly costly. Our explosive increase in technology didn't come from aliens or anything of the sort; it came from a bunch of geeks who were given time and freedom to forget about any specific goals or interests and simply ask "I wonder what would happen if..." and the resources to find the answer to that question.
I love this so much. I've pondered why alot of our scientific advancements came from military research. Now I get it, it was scientist, engineers, etc who had breathing room to develop stuff such as the internet, GPS and the likes.
I would say necessity is the grandmother, efficiency is the mother, then surplus is the daughter, organized such because when one has nothing, one NEEDS to make things to survive, as in ancient times. Once established, one starts actively thinking about how to do things better and more efficiently. Eventually, one has enough societal surplus that one can use spoiled canned food for target practice and the easy efficiency increases have been snapped up. The surplus allows people to specialize in pushing the boundaries and unlocking new technologies.
NIce story and a good departure from the old earth is the deathiest, death world that ever did death.
Honestly very interesting having earth be a paradise world while still being hfy is interesting it’s basically saying “survival of the fittest” isn’t always the best strategy or the one that leads to success
That's because "Survival of the fittest" doesn't always mean "Survival of the strongest". The aliens are much stronger, from the information we're given. Faster, tougher, horrifyingly dangerous to be with in a dark trenchline. But they never had industry, because they never had resources, so on and so forth, because their planets were too dangerous. It made them strong, it didn't make them fit for large-scale warfare. Where industry is what mattered, they were obscenely outmatched
Well, think on it thusly: Humanity has terraforming tech. Why wouldn't one use it to make a formerly hostile deathworld home into a paradise? Who knows if the planet was always a paradise world in this setting, or if the aliens just assume that because humanity had changed the planet so long ago that it was before they were first detected? Only the author could say for sure, I suppose.
- hey, what's this big empty room here?
- human, that's a breathing room
- a breeding room you say?
Oh come on! We all know that humans are the hornballs of the galaxy! "If it has a hole..."
"if every hole is a goal, then I've got the best pole you'll ever know"
So, this story perfectly represents a real-life scientific principle in evolutionary biology, known as K versus R reproductive strategies. The POV character is clearly from a species that practices an R reproductive species, where breeding adults will crank out babies one after another and instantly leave them to fend for themselves with the "R" standing for rapid, as in rapid fire their reproductive organs seem to be exclusively designed for. Meanwhile, both in this story and in real life, humans and elephants are the poster children of K reproductive strategies, where the number of babies produced is far smaller, but the amount of care, which is where the "K" label comes from, is far greater, often times parents taking decades to fully cut off the offspring from the adults' resources and guidance, with elephant cows never hitting that cut off as they stick with the herds formed from their mothers, aunts, and grandmothers for all their lives. The result is that in ideal conditions, is that an R species will just pop out hundreds of kids, and congratulate those that survive to adulthood, while the K species will only have one or two babies, and invest everything into keeping them alive and growing, and almost always be guaranteed to get all those babies to come out of the process as fully grown and competent adults.
This is smart writing. I'm definitely going to listen to it multiple times.
the spartans/the vikings/the samurai are cool and all... but funnily enough they don't exist anymore... and we live a much better life now than they ever did....
"Breathing room" means that you have more resources than just for survival. It gives you idle time and lets you wait for how things go. No need for immediate action ...
The Vikings got so rich they could afford to buy expensive large amount of land and settled down as farmers and small local lords.
@@loganshaw4527 yes sure... but only a few of them achieved that... but you missed the point... it was only when the norse became more peaceful that the people as a whole got a better standard of living... this is of course a very simplified and boiled down interpretation of what happened and it didn't happen overnight...
@@volkmarkostka6763 It also lets you waste resources on projects that fail, which teaches you what doesn't work. A society living on knife's edge can't afford to experiment with better ways to do thing because they can't afford the losses from failed attempts. This will retard the pace of technological advancement.
There's more than one way to be superior, and more than one reason it could be.
A much more accurate description of us as humans perhaps.
JUST TAKE THE DEAL!!
I'm kinda disappointed that the story didn't show how humans got that breathing room
Battleship galactia premise is finding earth.
Nice take on deathworld
egg pie
Is this another story from the reality where the humans had boarded an entire fleet and the fleet leader pretty much said the same thing.
Errrebody need "breathing room". Germany, russia, japan, China. They all needed it. America needed it. That's why we put Native Americans on a nickel. So we could remember what they looked like. I'm just wondering how come it is, that getting your "breathing room" has to involve making someone else stop breathing? 😢
There was another story like this where humans were on a paradise world. Essentially the moral of that story was that the reason humans were so deadly was while all the aliens were playing PvE on their deathworlds humans had been evolved on a paradise world where they played PvP against all the other species and each other.
"I'm just wondering how come it is, that getting your "breathing room" has to involve making someone else stop breathing?"
carnivores need meat to survive. so they will gladly kill and eat animals
herbivores need vegetables to survive. so they trample grass and eat it. sometimes leaves, etc sometimes those plants die because of that
omnivores can eat both. so they kill both
some plants kill and eat insects
humans wanted safety so they brought close to extinction many carnivore species.
overall the easiest way to survive is to take from someone that worked hard to gather
winners in wars often take from the losers. sometimes they take everything.
side note:
you can add to your list the ottoman empire and how it terrorized for centuries eastern europe
you can add the huns, the romans, the greeks, the mongols. most likely half of the countries of earth invaded a neighbor at some point in time
@bluefmi man, tell that crap to a Cherokee. 😅
@@billcook7285 they lost boo hoo move on
@lupaswolfshead9971 I'll bet you're a trump supporter. that sounds like something Trump crash would say.
Noice!!!