Not allowing exceptions to save logins kills the usability what would otherwise be the ideal browser for normal people. It makes Mullvad into a less private Tor Browser instead of a nicely de-bloated, preconfigured Firefox. I don't need a disposable browser tier in between Firefox and Tor. I just want the install/config experience of FF+Arkenfox to be less crap.
Maybe not for you, but for the people who don't want to configure it or don't know how to Arkenfox their browser. Across all desktop platforms, Mullvad Browser is superior. You might know how to do it, but most people I know couldn't be bothered.
I don't see a reason why anyone would need a screenshot tool inside their browser! This does not make any sense to me, because you're supposed to have the screenshot program in your operating system NOT your browser. Another thing that bothers me about certain browsers is they have two listings for the exact same thing in the browser which is kind of redundant to me. If they would remove this unnecessary junk it might make the browser go faster!
Browser screenshot tools automatically capture page elements (think element selectors in adblockers). Firefox goes an extra step and has a full page capture as well. I use it all the time for videos.
Edit: checking the release schedule on LibreWolf and Mulvad browser, the latest LibreWolf release (based on standard Firefox) lagged behind 1 day. The latest Mullvad release (based on Firefox-ESR) lagged behind 2 days. I haven't done an in depth analysis of the two, but it appears that LibreWolf gets updates faster than Mulvad browser. Also, in my original comment I mentioned Mulvad browser being based on Tor, that was incorrect, it's based on FireFox Extended Release Edition. Original Comment: I remember a while back comparing commits on Librewolf and seeing patches delayed 12-48 hrs behind Firefox (can't speak to any other forks, and I heard there was a period LibreWolf lagged behind much more but I don't think it's the case currently). As a fellow Graphene user that's about the time AOSP updates get to me (many other custom ROMs can take weeks or months, Graphene is steller in that regard but any delay isn't perfect). Are you aware of how quick Mulvad actually implements upstream patches? Being downstream of Tor, which is downstream of Firefox, sounds like there might be a bit of a delay but I'm not sure what it would be. Also, with Librewolf being updated at a similar speed (or faster in many cases) to custom Android ROMs where you draw the line and what's your thought process behind it? I don't mean any of this as a gotcha, there's plenty of valid conclusions to draw and no official right answer, just curious to hear thoughts on it.
Librewolf is pointless because it fails to have a real niche. If you know how to configure Firefox by hand or with a user.js file, it's pointless. Whereas the Mullvad Browser is based on Firefox ESR, which has a different release schedule from normal Firefox. The Tor Browser uses the same release schedule. Also Librewolf is objectively worse for Windows and Mac users who can't auto-update it, which is just a pain.
To be clear YESTERDAY I was following your firefox hardening guide that didn't work anymore. Now I should hop on this trend. Yall there is no privacy option its the internet.
Tor is the privacy option. It always has been and always will be. As a result it is not particularly user friendly and many websites break with it (because most websites want to grab all your data which Tor won't let them do). Anything else is compromise for the sake of usability, but for many applications it's a compromise that works. You don't need to be digitally hunkered down like you're trying to sell state secrets at all times.
Mullvad actually can access the Dark Web. The About Config's Network DNS BlockDotOnion is exposed to the user in the Mullvad browser just like it is on Firefox, though of course just like Firefox it still doesn't know how to route things through the onion network like the Tor browser does
i would use Mullvad just because i dont feel like learning Tor right now and i mostly use the clearnet. Mullvad seems to have a very niche use case that could hinder adoption
@@MylesFAE I believe Firefox's PiP sends a signal to websites that allow it, because some websites block it. Even though they send the signal, Firefox will not respect it and allow you to do whatever you want.
Firefox = My primary browser; I used it daily since 2004. Brave = My secondary browser; I used it whenever I need a Chromium-based browser for websites [especially some online job applications!] that does not work well on Firefox. Tor = For the dark web. Mullvad Browser = Undecided.
To be honest after watching the video I don't really know if this is a recommendation lolz. I did use tor once because my local isp blocked a kdrama website for a bit but stopped when it started working again on chrome.
Hey Trafotin you forgot to mention that there's no mobile apps yet for the Mullvad Browser which is extremely disappointing i hope they release them in 2024
There's good reason to avoid mobile Firefox altogether, not because of Firefox (well except the Fission sandboxing is broken), but because Google and Apple make it difficult to keep up or hamper alternative engines in other ways.
@@mohamad20zx34 Brave is crypto, the best overall Chromium browser in mind is Vivaldi. I hope someone would fork out Brave without the crypto, but Gab forked out Brave first as Dissenter.
Just hardened firefox with some Tor browser configuration such as fingerprinting is good enough for most people, including me Yes you're data still being tracked, but it's minimalizing the damage and you aren't becoming PARANOID anytime soon
Also don't forget the fact that on Windows, LibreWolf will not autoupdate and is unsigned on macOS. Those alone are why I cannot recommend it to most people.
@@Trafotin Librewolf also doesn't support portal login, which is problematic for my wifi Librewolf is good browser, but missing too much importan feature
(Didn't watch in full yet) I am a normy who would rather make it a little harder for spying without losing too much functionality from browsers. I don't mind if they know that I like dark mode or if my screen is ultrawide.
There is merit to an Arkenfoxed Firefox, especially if you value controlling extensions, but the reality is most people would rather set it and forget it, not to mention the same things Mullvad breaks are broken in Arkenfox. The best balance I've found is using separate profiles.
what do you reccomend: Hardened firefox orLibrewolf? im currently still figuring out some commands to change Arkenfox settings. if anyone can help me, i have a list wich i can copy any time for the settings wich Arkenfox keeps resetting (eventhough i dont want it to)
@@Trafotin so i gave it a try, didnt really work. i only have 2 settings left wich i want changed, but Arkenfox keeps resetting them. the settings in question are: under the section of General, navigate to Files and Aplications and i want the "Always ask you where to save a file" box checked along with "what should firefox do with other files" i want the Save Files option selected. the other setting i want to change is under Privacy and Protection at the bottom of the page i want my dns on NextDNS with maximum protection
Can't recommend it because you are just check some boxes in Firefox's settings and call it a day, plus you don't need to trust Waterfox's team. There's history behind Waterfox where an ad company bought the project from Alex, then Alex had to get money to buy back independence, and the feature of having older Firefox extensions is fading real fast. It would be prudent to stick to a mainstream browser.
Not allowing exceptions to save logins kills the usability what would otherwise be the ideal browser for normal people. It makes Mullvad into a less private Tor Browser instead of a nicely de-bloated, preconfigured Firefox. I don't need a disposable browser tier in between Firefox and Tor. I just want the install/config experience of FF+Arkenfox to be less crap.
true, how can i use it without logins lol
this
@@entertain8648password manager
Maybe not for you, but for the people who don't want to configure it or don't know how to Arkenfox their browser. Across all desktop platforms, Mullvad Browser is superior. You might know how to do it, but most people I know couldn't be bothered.
well.. its not that hard to just copy paste a coupe passwords from your vault
I'm running three other forks of Firefox right now and you can't stop me.
Your title is a contradiction in itself.
I tried Mullvad when it first came out and ended up sticking with my current FF+Arkenfox install
almost had a heartattack from that nord bit lol thank god you have self respect
Isn't Mullwad also a Firefox fork? If it is, why are you recommending it then?
The title of this video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen...
I got baited to click on the video becaise of this
Just edit the config files of Firefox and import it.
Firefox is maintained by a big company the forks doesn't necessarily understand the code.
I don't see a reason why anyone would need a screenshot tool inside their browser! This does not make any sense to me, because you're supposed to have the screenshot program in your operating system NOT your browser. Another thing that bothers me about certain browsers is they have two listings for the exact same thing in the browser which is kind of redundant to me. If they would remove this unnecessary junk it might make the browser go faster!
Browser screenshot tools automatically capture page elements (think element selectors in adblockers). Firefox goes an extra step and has a full page capture as well. I use it all the time for videos.
@@Trafotin You can get a browser extension to do exactly that. Then when you're done with it uninstall the extension.
Edit: checking the release schedule on LibreWolf and Mulvad browser, the latest LibreWolf release (based on standard Firefox) lagged behind 1 day. The latest Mullvad release (based on Firefox-ESR) lagged behind 2 days. I haven't done an in depth analysis of the two, but it appears that LibreWolf gets updates faster than Mulvad browser.
Also, in my original comment I mentioned Mulvad browser being based on Tor, that was incorrect, it's based on FireFox Extended Release Edition.
Original Comment:
I remember a while back comparing commits on Librewolf and seeing patches delayed 12-48 hrs behind Firefox (can't speak to any other forks, and I heard there was a period LibreWolf lagged behind much more but I don't think it's the case currently). As a fellow Graphene user that's about the time AOSP updates get to me (many other custom ROMs can take weeks or months, Graphene is steller in that regard but any delay isn't perfect).
Are you aware of how quick Mulvad actually implements upstream patches? Being downstream of Tor, which is downstream of Firefox, sounds like there might be a bit of a delay but I'm not sure what it would be.
Also, with Librewolf being updated at a similar speed (or faster in many cases) to custom Android ROMs where you draw the line and what's your thought process behind it?
I don't mean any of this as a gotcha, there's plenty of valid conclusions to draw and no official right answer, just curious to hear thoughts on it.
Librewolf is pointless because it fails to have a real niche. If you know how to configure Firefox by hand or with a user.js file, it's pointless. Whereas the Mullvad Browser is based on Firefox ESR, which has a different release schedule from normal Firefox. The Tor Browser uses the same release schedule. Also Librewolf is objectively worse for Windows and Mac users who can't auto-update it, which is just a pain.
@@TrafotinThank you! I use windows (work and school reasons) and would’ve used LW, but having to update manually is a massive pain.
To be clear YESTERDAY I was following your firefox hardening guide that didn't work anymore. Now I should hop on this trend. Yall there is no privacy option its the internet.
which guide specifically? he has at least three separate videos on firefox privacy.
Privacy is a sliding scale.
Tor is the privacy option. It always has been and always will be. As a result it is not particularly user friendly and many websites break with it (because most websites want to grab all your data which Tor won't let them do). Anything else is compromise for the sake of usability, but for many applications it's a compromise that works. You don't need to be digitally hunkered down like you're trying to sell state secrets at all times.
That should be the default so that thlse who need privacy can hide among us all
I didn't try it on desktop but from F-droid if it is private why it asks for a real email registration nah thanks
Everytime I hear someone say niche as nitch I giggle
same tbh
I don't understand the pain "you will standout bc there are not many users", how will i standout if it should look as if i use TOR?
Mullvad actually can access the Dark Web. The About Config's Network DNS BlockDotOnion is exposed to the user in the Mullvad browser just like it is on Firefox, though of course just like Firefox it still doesn't know how to route things through the onion network like the Tor browser does
Interesting, but out of scope of the project. I'm working on something related to onion routing. It will be a while before it's done though.
I wont use mullvad browser for the simple reason that its too secure (like tor), I don't need that kind of security for everyday browsing
i would use Mullvad just because i dont feel like learning Tor right now and i mostly use the clearnet. Mullvad seems to have a very niche use case that could hinder adoption
tor is slow af too
there's nothing to learn when it comes to tor, you just download the browser, connect and go
And youtube while screen off?
Picture-in-Picture does not work in the Mullvad Browser. Just stick with Firefox if you like it, Tor Browser and Mullvad block it for some reason.
@@Trafotin I assume picture-in-picture requires information about your screen to know where to put the media on your screen. 🤔
@@MylesFAE I believe Firefox's PiP sends a signal to websites that allow it, because some websites block it. Even though they send the signal, Firefox will not respect it and allow you to do whatever you want.
Firefox = My primary browser; I used it daily since 2004.
Brave = My secondary browser; I used it whenever I need a Chromium-based browser for websites [especially some online job applications!] that does not work well on Firefox.
Tor = For the dark web.
Mullvad Browser = Undecided.
To be honest after watching the video I don't really know if this is a recommendation lolz. I did use tor once because my local isp blocked a kdrama website for a bit but stopped when it started working again on chrome.
Hey Trafotin you forgot to mention that there's no mobile apps yet for the Mullvad Browser which is extremely disappointing i hope they release them in 2024
Unless Apple allows use of other browser engines instead of WebKit
There's good reason to avoid mobile Firefox altogether, not because of Firefox (well except the Fission sandboxing is broken), but because Google and Apple make it difficult to keep up or hamper alternative engines in other ways.
@@Trafotin then what's the point of using brave if Firefox is better than it for most cases
@@mohamad20zx34 Brave is crypto, the best overall Chromium browser in mind is Vivaldi. I hope someone would fork out Brave without the crypto, but Gab forked out Brave first as Dissenter.
i'll start using librewolf and mullvad with firewall on the router and tinywall
Just hardened firefox with some Tor browser configuration such as fingerprinting is good enough for most people, including me
Yes you're data still being tracked, but it's minimalizing the damage and you aren't becoming PARANOID anytime soon
Also don't forget the fact that on Windows, LibreWolf will not autoupdate and is unsigned on macOS. Those alone are why I cannot recommend it to most people.
@@Trafotin Librewolf also doesn't support portal login, which is problematic for my wifi
Librewolf is good browser, but missing too much importan feature
(Didn't watch in full yet) I am a normy who would rather make it a little harder for spying without losing too much functionality from browsers. I don't mind if they know that I like dark mode or if my screen is ultrawide.
The point is; they can know you are the one with the dark mode on with a unique resolution+ other stuff,, so they can track you
you can spoof your screen size with the Chameleon addon
You can't compare Mullvad to a stock Firefox. You need to take into account a hardened version of it.
There is merit to an Arkenfoxed Firefox, especially if you value controlling extensions, but the reality is most people would rather set it and forget it, not to mention the same things Mullvad breaks are broken in Arkenfox. The best balance I've found is using separate profiles.
FF/LW and Tor are good enough for me. weird inbetweener
Librewolf is fine, this video is fine to
It all sounds like a lot of work. I think I'll stick to stock Firefox.
I will use it when it doesn't have an utter trash logo.
does a logo really stop you from getting the best privacy?
@@xyssxyapparently this is an obstacle for some people - weirdly enough.
it's weird 😂😂😂
Browsers for Android???
what do you reccomend: Hardened firefox orLibrewolf? im currently still figuring out some commands to change Arkenfox settings. if anyone can help me, i have a list wich i can copy any time for the settings wich Arkenfox keeps resetting (eventhough i dont want it to)
Hardened Firefox. Just make a desktop shortcut or something and run it when you update.
@@Trafotin mmm... like, make a copy of the Prefs file or?
@@Trafotin so i gave it a try, didnt really work. i only have 2 settings left wich i want changed, but Arkenfox keeps resetting them.
the settings in question are:
under the section of General, navigate to Files and Aplications and i want the "Always ask you where to save a file" box checked along with "what should firefox do with other files" i want the Save Files option selected.
the other setting i want to change is under Privacy and Protection at the bottom of the page i want my dns on NextDNS with maximum protection
@@qxlf just avoid the headache and use librewolf.
@@aims__8785 nope :D, after taking Trafotins overrides as a base i eventually created a full override list that suits my needs
I use Firefoxfor things I don't care about privacy and Tor (which I suppose is technically a firefox fork) for things I do.
Fair enough.
Love the irony of the title lol
By the way it doesn't have a screenshot capability but does it block the windows utility?
kinda funny title ,STOP Using Firefox forks add use FIREFOX FORK instead duh!!! :P
Thorium ?
A browser made by a commercial VPN company? I’m good, thanks.
I personally use Waterfox. And I'm satisfied with it.
Can't recommend it because you are just check some boxes in Firefox's settings and call it a day, plus you don't need to trust Waterfox's team. There's history behind Waterfox where an ad company bought the project from Alex, then Alex had to get money to buy back independence, and the feature of having older Firefox extensions is fading real fast. It would be prudent to stick to a mainstream browser.
@@Trafotin whatever, that's just my preferences. that's it.
alternative : use openbsd
wtf a vtuber tech channel
Is Nord really bad?
When you consider shady marketing, the lying website, and they purely live off sponsorships with influencers, yeah, I think they're pretty sus.
I had no idea about the first 2. Do you have a video on this?
@@TrafotinNord is the only guaranteed functional vpn I can use as a Chinese person in China that isn’t even shadier
@@starleighpersonal I have good word that Proton functions fine in China. Way less shady than the alternatives.
@@Trafotin thanks pookie ill try to see if I can find a legit download for it that isin't blocked
I didn't know that tor required all that extra stuff lol. I just used it as is hahahahaha
librewolf is better
Naaa... Firefox still rocks
Nah, I am using chrome in Linux, works fine