1:49 The program to compare browsers 2:06 Chrome test 5:44 Firefox test 7:22 Brave test 11:22 Brave test privacy window 12:39 Brave test changing setting
I love your approach on these topics - There is no fearmongering by telling us that everyone and everything is bad and that basically you should trust nothing OR ELSE. At the same time, you're not sugarcoating things, giving an approach/browser/technique that works and solves everything. You're being real, you explore the good, the bad and the extras and leave us up to make the decision, for that, I subbed - calm, collected and realistic is the way to go! Please keep making them good vids :D (Also, this is not my first vid but i've been loving them all)
Brave may be among the best for security, but besides that it's a legitimately great browser. The layout, ease of use, lack of bugs and crashes; I really think it'd be great choice even for non-privacy minded people. Great video btw. I always thought there had to be a some way to identify system (especially phones), but actually hadn't heard of browser fingerprinting.
Brave has no sync -- at least no reliable sync. Not even the sync chain functions. It does not allow sharing. These are circumvented through extensions. This defeats privacy, and besides, extension accolades are owed to their creators, and not Brave. You can download about and browser, and if left in its vanilla state, will be crashless save developer end update -- maybe. This vanilla state is really the only real configuration for any method based, quantifiable data/results. But who wants vanilla?. Customization is the culprit. The availability of extensions and the ease of their submission to the public is the fault of the browser. Brave and all the others allow extensions because it's a massive scapegoaat reserve.
@@40sUphillBothWays That may be true but ultimately each person has to take responsibility for their actions and that includes what extensions one uses, what sites to visit, what to click on and not. Even more broadly their responsibility is to understand the threats to them, and by extension also to others if they allow their systems or accounts to be compromised.
@@AndroidFerret You are correct. I was so use to right-clicking in the browser in Chrome...but I swear it's recent, but do not recall a Flag? I only use Brave Nightly. No other browsers. Thanks for correcting me (I can stomach correction on the web--no where else:).
Awesome content! I have been using Brave for more than a year combined with different privacy stuff as well. I am also an official creator. Too bad that I cannot have any of the payments, since I live in Japan. But I also like their work and yours as well. Subbed.
Thank you so much for your detailed analysis! I never even considered that the way Brave blocks access to things might itself be a signature of its usage. This was really interesting and thought-provoking.
Maybe it's because of some plugin I use but I get a different fingerprint in every tab and on every refresh of those tabs with Firefox on your test page. It could also be a newer version of Firefox... or the linux version got some more functionality in general. I tested on Arch linux.
I'd say disconnecting from the internet is good enough. That's what one of my friends did- had a pc he used for internet, which he did with dummy accounts, and then an old ThinkPad where he actually stored all of his documents and stuff, which was disconnected from the net and had a mod for manual off-switch
Sir that is the best and most informative video I have seen as to how fingerprinting is done and a nice look as to what is going on under the hood. I will refear every one I know to this video the explain this. Thanks for your fine work.
Thank you for this video. I will be using Brave more and more. And will look for more browsers to actually isolate my behavior into different browsers. Thx again, I'm learning so much from you.
I just watched this on brave its my main browser. I have chrome too , that i need when i need gps directions to get to a new or unknown premises. Good work i share your yt videos often.
Very useful, thanks. I switched to Brave half way through watching this. Browser isolation is an interesting idea -- the only Google service I use is TH-cam which I could use Chrome for. I also use the MPVS Hosts file which blocks a lot of trackers and breaks a few sites.
I just tested my browser using your webpage. Very interesting is, a reload or a new generates a different fingerprint. No details are shown when I tap "Show details". And this is not the Brave Browser. It is IceCat mobile in combination with the DNSFilter on my Android device. DNSFilter blocks all traffic to Googles firebase, facebook and mozilla services. For me this is a good way to protect your privacy a little better. I would recommend DNSFilter to supress any advertisment within Android Google Services. With DNSFilter you can configure using wildcard for domain names. I.e. *.**fb.com** or *.facebook.* works perfect.
same thing happens for me with bromite, a refresh, a new tab, and exit/reopen all have new fingerprints. when i tap show details, nothing shows up. also using blokada
Thanks so much for this info. I listened to the very end and subscribed. I'm definitely going to use browser isolation, and will use Brave as one of the browsers.
Brave allows for "profile" switching, which allows for isolating cookies to their "profile" I will probably have to test it with your site Edit: tested it, using different brave profiles isolates cookies within their respective profiles, pretty much achieving browser isolation without multiple browsers overall this was an amazing video, one of the very few videos around privacy that I can listen to and not instantly find mistakes in
Rob, you are da man! I wanna say it again, subscribed, bell rung, commented, upvoted, liked, shared ... may the algorithm gods continue-to smile favorably upon your channel friend.
omg what a video quality such great and inadept review of brave and fingerprint tracking you are really doing a great work i just became a fan of you and subscribed this is exactly what i wanted to know .
How many people claim in some way or another to be a "privacy, online, security" researcher / commenter / expert? Rob is the ONLY person talking about these things and doing this work. Frauds, all of them!
Both of the TH-cam Creator that are listed above by pervious comments are excellent choices for user's to follow. Both are very informative and useful tips for the using the Internet or products safety.
@@edwardhedge6454 show me videos from either of these that expose what apple is doing with opening up APIs on iOS but keeping the same UI prompts so users were silently moved from choosing 1 image to now having apps have full, complete, permanent and instant access to every single photo and video on their device I'll wait
@Roger De Bris apple changes their photo api from OS level (you choose the photo) to app level (all apps see all your photos all the time and can do whatever they like and siphon them to the cloud) 0 people mentioned it ios allowed apps to spy on you via camera - 0 people mentioned it - even now with the leaks about clipboard sniffing and cameras being open NOBODY talks about it
Thank you Rob! I would love you to teach us in a webinar/class the safest ways, across all the issues for security and privacy. I am watching your videos and subscribe to your VPN, but there is so much to learn!
You know what gets me.. is w10 'Edge' (chromium) by default blocks & prompts for location .. & doesn't allow access to wifi triangulation when setup. Though, despite my ip not being 'shielded'... the location information is bad w/o wifi triangulation which if I am honest is easy to stop most by disabling your wifi if you're not using it. (I use a hard wire). weirdly the ISP IP lookup doesn't show anything 7 even with location tracking allowed (I am sure I've tighted security up on my windows for other reasons previously that is effecting this) The Fingerprinting is .. interesting for sure. Though the only 'identifing details persay past Software is my GPU... and it's not showing any other HW that's able to be identified like this. yes I am aware that my IP & finger print, and cookies, can be a security weakpoint for a casual target, along with which services I log into, even if they remain secure & untouched themselves. -- also interesting... Perhaps looking into W10 Application Guard browsing. Can say incoginto mode didn't seem to change the finger print, but I suspect there is more to it then meets the eye.
Hey @Rob, thanks for the great content. I really like your idea of the browser isolation. Can we perhaps achieve isolations of the browser within Brave itself ? Brave seems to have a built-in feature which allows you to create multiple Profiles, I would hope that within different profiles in Brave i would be isolated in terms of cookies and other data being stored. With that I could create one Brave brave profile for Facebook, then an additional one for Google and leave the default one for 'normal' browsing
TY Rob! Unfortunately YT places a third party cookies on ur de ice permanately that no app will delete. If u DO delete them them YT will force u to sign in as their pop up Captcha doesn’t work and when u click “see more” or whatever the ONLY other option to view ANY video is to sign into YT! They’re soo not Cool which is why I’d like to watch ur vids elsewhere!! Brave also won’t allow u to give feedback u less u sign in amd they don’t have an option for desktop mode u less u download the chrome browser except only on a desktop which refutes the whole purpose of even setting ur options to desktop if u r using a mobile device. Perhaps these mobile devices are not Allowing them to have that option ? But how would Apple and google control their own private app anyway? Can u do an updated vid of the Brave app or is there a newer and better one out there? You’re a breath of fresh air! It’s been a year since you uploaded this and I would like To start watching vids on ur website this l library” website u mentioned . Can u post the link to whatever this is? TY!
Hey Rob. I just came across your channel about a week ago and love it. Great job. I'm currently in the middle of choosing Brave vs Vivaldi. I love Brave's speed, etc., but Vivaldi's panels, notes, and bookmarks feature (along with other customizations) is making me want to lean towards Vivaldi. Would you be able to make a review video about the Vivaldi browser at some point? Thanks for all your info!
They should be teaching users that they should be using a different browser for different tasks (as mentioned). Yet one can sandbox by booting from a micro usb drive and use a usb wifi dongle(s). Though I do draw the line on wardriving, but I've made cantenna's when at range. I'll just merely state that I've been doing a few things for over ten years as a hobby. Just as many others who've been playing with distro's from DistroWatch, while my first was Slack back in '98 for amusement as FreeBSD now and then. Compiling kernels and such. But these days I don't concern myself with much of this as I don't do anything nefarious, or ever had. It's just good to be aware of things. I'll probably sub' as I'll be checking out your other content coverage. Well done as your lighting, audio and no annoying background music makes this great. Cheers :)
EDIT: further testing suggests it is ublock which is already included in brave by default Video might just be a couple versions behind i'm not sure but I'm not seeing the same thing in Firefox you are with the finger print. changes every time and the show details doesn't even work. Finger print changes on window and tabs. I'm running with most default settings, disabling pocket (YUK) and adding ublock. Brave "used" to be basically chromium with ublock built in. I don't see any technical reason to not use it as a daily driver.. personal preference i suppose.
I have used firefox for a long time, but if you analyze the traffic you will see that firefox doesn't care about your privacy. I switched to IceCat, this makes a big difference. What I can recommend to use under Windows / Linux OS: DNSCrypt. Your provider could not longer analyze where you go.
I use Firefox nightly on my phone with some plugins like decentreleyes, ublock origin and privacy badger. The fingerprinting is blocked and when i restart the browser the cookie is cleared. I'm currently using strict settings. In a new install of the latest firefox mobile without any changes fingerprinting is not blocked but cookies cleared or restart
I'm pleased with what I got from firefox + multi-account containers plugin + privacy badger. Your website can't show "details", the fingerprint changes on every tab & refresh, cookies don't carry over to other tabls, even if in the same container. Care to have a look at poke holes in that setup? (I have seperate containers for personal stuff, my mail, google, amazon, facebook, microsoft, wikipedia, duckduckgo, etc - and my firefox privacy settings are turned up to max but i rarely have sites break on me).
I have done the test at brax.me/geo, I got the same results for Brave and Firefox(privacy badger installed), but when performed at panopticlick.eff.org , firefox(privacy badger) failed and Brave succeed. Thank you for this great video.
Hi, I'm confused - every time you said you were clicking on Chrome, Duck Duck Go showed on the screen. Can you please explain? Is Duck Duck Go something you have evaluated as well?
I love Brave. But should we set Fingerprinting and Tracker blockers to Aggressive or not? Setting Fingerprinting to aggressive seems to identify us Brave users but do you approve of setting Tracker blocking to aggressive?
So about device tracking, that is indeed a big issue. Can for example be done with Font Fingerprinting. That means every browser will have the same font fingerprint. That is if it is properly detected and no spoofing routine of the user side adds some random numbers or anything. Isolating Facebook and Google in a different browser is a very good idea and now can be achieved with the Firefox containers. Just wondering how efficient they are. And do they also stop fingerprinting or just separate the cookies? Big on a to do list to evade fingerprinting is actually the font fingerprint. Since with 100s of fonts on your device, this is a very unique combination of fonts and therefore and a very big footprint. So browsers need to find a way address this issue.
I noticed when you closed incognito in brave and restarted it at 12:11, it showed the same fingerprint hash as the previous session. Maybe we need to close the whole browser for it to reset?
However, Brave has now implemented the randomisation in browser fingerprinting. Instead of blocking or hiding it, Brave just camouflages it with a new one every time. This somehow works in the other way with satisfactory results.
I gotta tell ya, Rob. I'm a huge fan of Epic Privacy Browser. I'm running these tests over and over and it's changing the fingerprint. There are no details shown in "Device Signature" column. I don't believe it's possible to save fingerprint to cookie, because all browsing history and information gets completely wiped from the computer upon closing the browser. However, it WILL save the fingerprint in cookie when opening a new tab and running the test again. I live in Indiana, I have NordVPN set to Ireland, and Epic has proxy server set in the U.K., but your tool says I'm not protected with a VPN. When I set the proxy to France, your web page won't open. Gets a timeout error. When I set it to the U.K. it opens the page. Very strange, indeed.
I'm no computer geek but I think the reason VPN's give you a choice of proxy's is because the rerouting of your IP address can cause your connection to be slow because of a high volume of traffic. The trick I think is to choose a country that when it is night there, it is day where you are. Less traffic at night I think.
How does a browser differ from a search engine? Should I use the same app for both? On my phone I use ddg for engine but Brave for browser because I like how Brave does "add to homescreen" and how it let's me print a webpage (to a pdf). Thank you for your valuable efforts!!
Most trackers I've worked with don't actually care about fingerprints directly like that. Instead of "Fingerprint-A is User-A", it would be reversed with "User-A is associated with these Fingerprints". Users are understood to not be a single identifier, but an array of them.
Saw this video, today, and subscribed. I imagine it's going to take me some time to see what all you offer. Is there a recommended first product of your that you'd recommend to use with Brace or other chrome-based browser for privacy?
Something seem to have changed in Brave since this video. I have the settings on standard but I now get a random 'brax' fingerprint and the device signature is empty. So far it does not seem to have broken any websites.
Rob, I don't get it. My Brave on Settings only shows very minimal stuff (Profile name, Import Bookmarks, Default Browser, Keep in Dock, and On Startup). I don't have any of that stuff you're going in the left sidebar. I typed in "brave://settings" just like you did. Suggestions??
Great Video Rob Brother!👍🏼🙏🏼 Now that's what I'm talking about! Crystal Clear, Coherent and concise with the proof of concept! What about some claims of Cryptomining etc?🤔
did a test here in Dissenter which is built using Brave as its base and w'default settings it was diff FP per tab opened after the initial start and that was done in old Dissenter Version 0.69.132 Chromium: 77.0.3865.90 (Official Build) (64-bit)
Rob, have you taken a look at EFF's Cover Your Tracks test. Could you exam it and give them feedback to improve it. It is now 2022 and Brave has again implemented a lot of enhancements to privacy. Could you review it again and see if they ahve improved it in your estimation? Thanks!!!
I use multiple browser user profiles. I assume this would be similar to browser isolation, but going to have to test this with your script. Thanks for the info!
I test what you have teach us on the video on Samsung internet browser and the browser seems to be doing a great job . Because every time I opened a new tab It give me a new fingerprint without even closing the site .
Best thing about Brave? You see no ads on TH-cam. You see no google ads on 3rd party websites. Starve the beast.
That's reason enough to pick it up right there
Dude now way, really??
@@theevilone1646 Brave and DDG is definitely the way to go. 👍
I hate that it tracks ur history unlike just using duckduckgo by itself. Apparently it isn't too private.
@@mattmccormick33 I hate that you're blaming a browser for privacy while you're using Windows 10
18:38 if you just want the quick and dirty.
Thanks bro
Thanks for the tldr
thanks
Thx
Thank you. Thank you so much!
thanks, Rob, for all you do! you are outstanding!
Very interesting. I hope Brave sees this and takes the feedback to improve their browser.
Subtle instrumental jazz music in background is a nice touch to this presentation. Thanks for sharing!
Yes. 😎 Good music choice 💪🏼🌺🍃👍🏼
Rob, the more of your videos I watch, the more impressed I am. And you're an accomplished jazz pianist on top of it all. Keep it up. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I love this cat... he is so zucking smart, it blows my mind. Cheers!
Yeah this guy got me finally degoogle my phone.
Yeah, Rob is really awesome!
Thats the new version of fxck u....zxck you.
Thanks! I got a lot out of this. Been a Brave user since the start. Subbed.
Same with me. Been there on Brave from the beginning. It keeps getting better and better.
Thank you Rob for the very detailed information! Good to know and important for browser isolation!
1:49 The program to compare browsers
2:06 Chrome test
5:44 Firefox test
7:22 Brave test
11:22 Brave test privacy window
12:39 Brave test changing setting
I love your approach on these topics -
There is no fearmongering by telling us that everyone and everything is bad and that basically you should trust nothing OR ELSE.
At the same time, you're not sugarcoating things, giving an approach/browser/technique that works and solves everything.
You're being real, you explore the good, the bad and the extras and leave us up to make the decision, for that, I subbed - calm, collected and realistic is the way to go! Please keep making them good vids :D
(Also, this is not my first vid but i've been loving them all)
Thanks I think you're on target with what I'm trying to accomplish.
Brave may be among the best for security, but besides that it's a legitimately great browser. The layout, ease of use, lack of bugs and crashes; I really think it'd be great choice even for non-privacy minded people.
Great video btw. I always thought there had to be a some way to identify system (especially phones), but actually hadn't heard of browser fingerprinting.
Brave has no sync -- at least no reliable sync. Not even the sync chain functions. It does not allow sharing. These are circumvented through extensions. This defeats privacy, and besides, extension accolades are owed to their creators, and not Brave.
You can download about and browser, and if left in its vanilla state, will be crashless save developer end update -- maybe. This vanilla state is really the only real configuration for any method based, quantifiable data/results.
But who wants vanilla?.
Customization is the culprit. The availability of extensions and the ease of their submission to the public is the fault of the browser.
Brave and all the others allow extensions because it's a massive scapegoaat reserve.
@@40sUphillBothWays That may be true but ultimately each person has to take responsibility for their actions and that includes what extensions one uses, what sites to visit, what to click on and not. Even more broadly their responsibility is to understand the threats to them, and by extension also to others if they allow their systems or accounts to be compromised.
@@40sUphillBothWays what you mean with no sharing ?
@@AndroidFerret You are correct. I was so use to right-clicking in the browser in Chrome...but I swear it's recent, but do not recall a Flag? I only use Brave Nightly. No other browsers. Thanks for correcting me (I can stomach correction on the web--no where else:).
some sites wont let me in if l use an adblocker, brave lets me in with no adds, thats all l care about
Rob, you are a Blessing. You are doing a great service to humanity. Thank you for your big heart and sacrifice. God Bless you.
Yes, thank you Brave browser . . please don't lose target your sight and help with our freedoms . . thank you Mr Braxman for your genuine concern . .
Awesome content! I have been using Brave for more than a year combined with different privacy stuff as well. I am also an official creator. Too bad that I cannot have any of the payments, since I live in Japan. But I also like their work and yours as well. Subbed.
I have done the test I got the same results for Brave and Firefox(privacy badger installed). Thank you for this video.
>Cares about privacy
>Using windows
Thank you so much for your detailed analysis! I never even considered that the way Brave blocks access to things might itself be a signature of its usage. This was really interesting and thought-provoking.
Maybe it's because of some plugin I use but I get a different fingerprint in every tab and on every refresh of those tabs with Firefox on your test page. It could also be a newer version of Firefox... or the linux version got some more functionality in general. I tested on Arch linux.
I got same results as you on Windows with privacy badger instaled on Firefox.
You forgot to say btw
Firefox has anti-fingerprinting,but this is a hidden ad for Brave !
Same here.
Same here different fingerprint on every new tab and every time I start Firefox up.
The only way these days to protect yourself from tracking on the internet is to just pack up the computer and put it in the closet.
I'd say disconnecting from the internet is good enough. That's what one of my friends did- had a pc he used for internet, which he did with dummy accounts, and then an old ThinkPad where he actually stored all of his documents and stuff, which was disconnected from the net and had a mod for manual off-switch
It will mysteriously be back on your desk the next day...
Jajajaja
@@rstone7727 To true XD As an Internet addict, there is no way I could just get rid of any of my computing devices 🤮
😂🤣😂
Sir that is the best and most informative video I have seen as to how fingerprinting is done and a nice look as to what is going on under the hood. I will refear every one I know to this video the explain this. Thanks for your fine work.
Thank you for this video. I will be using Brave more and more. And will look for more browsers to actually isolate my behavior into different browsers. Thx again, I'm learning so much from you.
Did you find any?
@@fuqupal Yes, Firefox and Vivaldi. Tor browser as well.
Rob, you're one of the best channels on TH-cam. Really appreciate what you do, my man.
You my friend are so knowledgeable and present so flawlessly. You're many people's hero! Thank you for your knowledge!
I just watched this on brave its my main browser. I have chrome too , that i need when i need gps directions to get to a new or unknown premises. Good work i share your yt videos often.
Very useful, thanks. I switched to Brave half way through watching this. Browser isolation is an interesting idea -- the only Google service I use is TH-cam which I could use Chrome for. I also use the MPVS Hosts file which blocks a lot of trackers and breaks a few sites.
Not only was this video educational and interesting, but it made me rethink browser usage and its importance. This video is well done.
I learn more about internet security and privacy on Rob's channel than any other. Should be a million+ views. Very informative though a bit scary.
I just tested my browser using your webpage. Very interesting is, a reload or a new generates a different fingerprint. No details are shown when I tap "Show details".
And this is not the Brave Browser. It is IceCat mobile in combination with the DNSFilter on my Android device.
DNSFilter blocks all traffic to Googles firebase, facebook and mozilla services.
For me this is a good way to protect your privacy a little better.
I would recommend DNSFilter to supress any advertisment within Android Google Services. With DNSFilter you can configure using wildcard for domain names. I.e. *.**fb.com** or *.facebook.* works perfect.
same thing happens for me with bromite, a refresh, a new tab, and exit/reopen all have new fingerprints. when i tap show details, nothing shows up.
also using blokada
Also with Firefox, every reload gives a new fingerprint
Thanks so much for this info. I listened to the very end and subscribed. I'm definitely going to use browser isolation, and will use Brave as one of the browsers.
Thanks Rob. I have switched from firefox to Vivaldi and starting to play with Brave also.
Brave allows for "profile" switching, which allows for isolating cookies to their "profile"
I will probably have to test it with your site
Edit: tested it, using different brave profiles isolates cookies within their respective profiles, pretty much achieving browser isolation without multiple browsers
overall this was an amazing video, one of the very few videos around privacy that I can listen to and not instantly find mistakes in
Now this is a quality content! Keep it up yo🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
The most scientific and deep explanation I see. Thank you sir. I subscrive to your channel Immediately.
Rob, you are da man! I wanna say it again, subscribed, bell rung, commented, upvoted, liked, shared ... may the algorithm gods continue-to smile favorably upon your channel friend.
omg what a video quality such great and inadept review of brave and fingerprint tracking you are really doing a great work i just became a fan of you and subscribed this is exactly what i wanted to know .
How many people claim in some way or another to be a "privacy, online, security" researcher / commenter / expert?
Rob is the ONLY person talking about these things and doing this work.
Frauds, all of them!
lol
You haven't seen "theHatedOne" then.
@@der0keks or Techlore
Both of the TH-cam Creator that are listed above by pervious comments are excellent choices for user's to follow. Both are very informative and useful tips for the using the Internet or products safety.
@@edwardhedge6454 show me videos from either of these that expose what apple is doing with opening up APIs on iOS but keeping the same UI prompts so users were silently moved from choosing 1 image to now having apps have full, complete, permanent and instant access to every single photo and video on their device
I'll wait
@Roger De Bris apple changes their photo api from OS level (you choose the photo) to app level (all apps see all your photos all the time and can do whatever they like and siphon them to the cloud)
0 people mentioned it
ios allowed apps to spy on you via camera - 0 people mentioned it - even now with the leaks about clipboard sniffing and cameras being open NOBODY talks about it
My only reason to use brave. AD block.
Its a beautiful middle finger to YT and Google.
I use Ghostery for a year or something, works perfect too :)
😂 there's other option like samsung internet . And if you want to have a great a block try to use adclear so you will be able to use YT app
@@Cyanide_NL I had ghostery back in the day, like 10 years ago.
What was that again? I forget
@@fuqupal an adblocker 😁
EVERY browser has ad block & brave has worst tracking protection than ublock
You are a legend. ha. glad I stumbled into this. Those who measure, walk together.
Thank you Rob! I would love you to teach us in a webinar/class the safest ways, across all the issues for security and privacy. I am watching your videos and subscribe to your VPN, but there is so much to learn!
No ads on YT, or any site for that matter.
You know what gets me.. is w10 'Edge' (chromium) by default blocks & prompts for location .. & doesn't allow access to wifi triangulation when setup. Though, despite my ip not being 'shielded'... the location information is bad w/o wifi triangulation which if I am honest is easy to stop most by disabling your wifi if you're not using it. (I use a hard wire).
weirdly the ISP IP lookup doesn't show anything 7 even with location tracking allowed (I am sure I've tighted security up on my windows for other reasons previously that is effecting this)
The Fingerprinting is .. interesting for sure. Though the only 'identifing details persay past Software is my GPU... and it's not showing any other HW that's able to be identified like this.
yes I am aware that my IP & finger print, and cookies, can be a security weakpoint for a casual target, along with which services I log into, even if they remain secure & untouched themselves.
-- also interesting... Perhaps looking into W10 Application Guard browsing.
Can say incoginto mode didn't seem to change the finger print, but I suspect there is more to it then meets the eye.
This is the smartest computer guy I have ever seen. I wonder how many list you get put on for going grey or dark?
There are other smart cybersecurity engineering folks, they just don't talk to us regular people.
@@davidmoran4471 Yeah, they talk at DEFCON, and there are many talks available on youtube
@@ps3master72 there are folks unknown to the public
The new Brave update now changes fingerprint on reload.
Hey @Rob, thanks for the great content. I really like your idea of the browser isolation. Can we perhaps achieve isolations of the browser within Brave itself ? Brave seems to have a built-in feature which allows you to create multiple Profiles, I would hope that within different profiles in Brave i would be isolated in terms of cookies and other data being stored. With that I could create one Brave brave profile for Facebook, then an additional one for Google and leave the default one for 'normal' browsing
I use Firefox Multi-Account Containers .
Can u do a video anout its efficiency and tell us how we should do it?
Thanks
all it does is seperate cookies
It would give you the convenience of imitating "Browser Isolation" that he mentions at the end of the video.
TY Rob! Unfortunately YT places a third party cookies on ur de ice permanately that no app will delete. If u DO delete them them YT will force u to sign in as their pop up Captcha doesn’t work and when u click “see more” or whatever the ONLY other option to view ANY video is to sign into YT! They’re soo not Cool which is why I’d like to watch ur vids elsewhere!! Brave also won’t allow u to give feedback u less u sign in amd they don’t have an option for desktop mode u less u download the chrome browser except only on a desktop which refutes the whole purpose of even setting ur options to desktop if u r using a mobile device. Perhaps these mobile devices are not
Allowing them to have that option ? But how would
Apple and google control their own private app anyway? Can u do an updated vid of the Brave app or is there a newer and better one out there?
You’re a breath of fresh air! It’s been a year since you uploaded this and I would like
To start watching vids on ur website this l library” website u mentioned . Can u post the link to whatever this is? TY!
Hey Rob. I just came across your channel about a week ago and love it. Great job. I'm currently in the middle of choosing Brave vs Vivaldi. I love Brave's speed, etc., but Vivaldi's panels, notes, and bookmarks feature (along with other customizations) is making me want to lean towards Vivaldi. Would you be able to make a review video about the Vivaldi browser at some point? Thanks for all your info!
@downtownswifty 😂
I appreciate your work. Very interesting. Very informative. Subbed. Liked. Please keep it up. We need people like you willing to share your knowledge.
Much appreciated!
They should be teaching users that they should be using a different browser for different tasks (as mentioned). Yet one can sandbox by booting from a micro usb drive and use a usb wifi dongle(s). Though I do draw the line on wardriving, but I've made cantenna's when at range. I'll just merely state that I've been doing a few things for over ten years as a hobby. Just as many others who've been playing with distro's from DistroWatch, while my first was Slack back in '98 for amusement as FreeBSD now and then. Compiling kernels and such. But these days I don't concern myself with much of this as I don't do anything nefarious, or ever had. It's just good to be aware of things. I'll probably sub' as I'll be checking out your other content coverage. Well done as your lighting, audio and no annoying background music makes this great. Cheers :)
EDIT: further testing suggests it is ublock which is already included in brave by default
Video might just be a couple versions behind i'm not sure but I'm not seeing the same thing in Firefox you are with the finger print. changes every time and the show details doesn't even work. Finger print changes on window and tabs.
I'm running with most default settings, disabling pocket (YUK) and adding ublock. Brave "used" to be basically chromium with ublock built in. I don't see any technical reason to not use it as a daily driver.. personal preference i suppose.
2:58 ublock seems to break the "show details" button. It'd be interesting what's in there with it enabled.
Thank you sir. You have earned my subscription and I hope soon to be able to be a patron.
Please do a test with hardened firefox, i am curious.
It didn't show a fingerprint on my hardened Firefox. Then again, most sites don't work properly with a hardened Firefox, so...
With uBlock Origin installed and enabled, both Chrome and Firefox change Fingerprint every time i refresh the page. Just tried it, worked for me.
Does the Firefox nightly's Enhance protection makes a difference when generating or ability to save the track hash in a cookie?
Excellent question... I hope it gets answered by someone. Otherwise I'll go on Twitter and try and get us an answer.
I have used firefox for a long time, but if you analyze the traffic you will see that firefox doesn't care about your privacy. I switched to IceCat, this makes a big difference.
What I can recommend to use under Windows / Linux OS: DNSCrypt. Your provider could not longer analyze where you go.
I use Firefox nightly on my phone with some plugins like decentreleyes, ublock origin and privacy badger. The fingerprinting is blocked and when i restart the browser the cookie is cleared. I'm currently using strict settings.
In a new install of the latest firefox mobile without any changes fingerprinting is not blocked but cookies cleared or restart
I'm testing this and my brave behaves completely differently. I'm getting a new fingerprint on every new tab
Me too, I'm also getting a new fingerprint if I refresh the page. Perhaps we have a slightly updated version than used in the video.
@@PontyBoy71 means that the owners are playing the game of mouse and cat. Game on big tech, game on...
@@-_-naab-_- Is this good or bad?
How do I change it if it's bad?
I'm not tech savvy
@@fuqupal this is good. It means your fingerprint will not be saved
Brave & Firefox have tab isolation now
Love your information Rob keep up the good work.you make it easy to learn whats going on when it comes to my electronics.be safe.
the best thing is to close your Facebook and Twitter accounts... I've done my part.. will you do yours?
Totally agree, closed my twitter a couple of months back and FB got the boot last week. If only I could quit TH-cam lol
@@alexmaclean1 Rumble is growing
Done. Never had Twatter. 😜
Some of us were smart enough to never get on!
@@LorenzoCalgaryRealtor Rumble is owned by Google. Why don't people divorce Google already?!?
I love watching your videos.Keep up with great work.
You're a Brave man, Rob ...
I'm getting the same untrackable status on that website by using Firefox security strict mode. I noticed that wasn't compared in this video.
Excellent & Informative video Rob!
11:18 why would someone allow location access unless it is a site that really requires it like TH-camTV?!
What about Dissenter, which is atop Brave?
Does a VPN help? Oh you covered that... it does, but not 100%
Could you also test the Epic private browser?
Its a bad choice, its owned by yahoo.
All this talk of cookies, my wife went and got ice cream from the freezer.
😂🙌🏼😋 I can relate!
thanks for lookin' out for us, *_braxman_* … regards.
Any time!
I use aggressive tracking blocker and strict fingerprint blocking with no problems.
I'm pleased with what I got from firefox + multi-account containers plugin + privacy badger. Your website can't show "details", the fingerprint changes on every tab & refresh, cookies don't carry over to other tabls, even if in the same container. Care to have a look at poke holes in that setup? (I have seperate containers for personal stuff, my mail, google, amazon, facebook, microsoft, wikipedia, duckduckgo, etc - and my firefox privacy settings are turned up to max but i rarely have sites break on me).
Seems like you just using ublock also, cause container and badger do nothing about fingerprints. You can test it by simply disabling ublock.
I switched to Brave recently. When i hit the app icon my browser instantly goes to google. Why?
I am Currently using Microsoft edge with third party cookies off + tracking prevention to strict + Ad blocker. And i am happy with it 😊
I have done the test at brax.me/geo, I got the same results for Brave and Firefox(privacy badger installed), but when performed at panopticlick.eff.org , firefox(privacy badger) failed and Brave succeed. Thank you for this great video.
Hi, I'm confused - every time you said you were clicking on Chrome, Duck Duck Go showed on the screen. Can you please explain? Is Duck Duck Go something you have evaluated as well?
DuckDuckGo is my search engine (vs Google Search). But DuckDuckGo also has a browser app for mobile though that has nothing to do with this
I love Brave. But should we set Fingerprinting and Tracker blockers to Aggressive or not? Setting Fingerprinting to aggressive seems to identify us Brave users but do you approve of setting Tracker blocking to aggressive?
Aggressive will break things. So not practical. Maybe if you work in Intel it would matter
Thanks for your vids... very eye opening. All of them.
So about device tracking, that is indeed a big issue. Can for example be done with Font Fingerprinting. That means every browser will have the same font fingerprint. That is if it is properly detected and no spoofing routine of the user side adds some random numbers or anything.
Isolating Facebook and Google in a different browser is a very good idea and now can be achieved with the Firefox containers. Just wondering how efficient they are. And do they also stop fingerprinting or just separate the cookies?
Big on a to do list to evade fingerprinting is actually the font fingerprint. Since with 100s of fonts on your device, this is a very unique combination of fonts and therefore and a very big footprint. So browsers need to find a way address this issue.
☺️🙌🏼👍🏼🎉💪🏼💗 Thanks Rob.
My experience w B prior to now has been excellent! Glad to C it has your Ok. 🍃🌺🍃
It works like a charm.
I noticed when you closed incognito in brave and restarted it at 12:11, it showed the same fingerprint hash as the previous session. Maybe we need to close the whole browser for it to reset?
However, Brave has now implemented the randomisation in browser fingerprinting. Instead of blocking or hiding it, Brave just camouflages it with a new one every time. This somehow works in the other way with satisfactory results.
Thank you! For your hardwork! Gold info!
I installed brave in Linux .but don't got the brave ads.. how to solve it (Linux mint)
I gotta tell ya, Rob. I'm a huge fan of Epic Privacy Browser. I'm running these tests over and over and it's changing the fingerprint.
There are no details shown in "Device Signature" column.
I don't believe it's possible to save fingerprint to cookie, because all browsing history and information gets completely wiped from the computer upon closing the browser.
However, it WILL save the fingerprint in cookie when opening a new tab and running the test again.
I live in Indiana, I have NordVPN set to Ireland, and Epic has proxy server set in the U.K., but your tool says I'm not protected with a VPN.
When I set the proxy to France, your web page won't open. Gets a timeout error. When I set it to the U.K. it opens the page. Very strange, indeed.
I'm no computer geek but I think the reason VPN's give you a choice of proxy's is because the rerouting of your IP address can cause your connection to be slow because of a high volume of traffic. The trick I think is to choose a country that when it is night there, it is day where you are. Less traffic at night I think.
How does a browser differ from a search engine? Should I use the same app for both?
On my phone I use ddg for engine but Brave for browser because I like how Brave does "add to homescreen" and how it let's me print a webpage (to a pdf).
Thank you for your valuable efforts!!
Thanks Brax. What was the search engine you used for this test?
Most trackers I've worked with don't actually care about fingerprints directly like that. Instead of "Fingerprint-A is User-A", it would be reversed with "User-A is associated with these Fingerprints". Users are understood to not be a single identifier, but an array of them.
Saw this video, today, and subscribed. I imagine it's going to take me some time to see what all you offer. Is there a recommended first product of your that you'd recommend to use with Brace or other chrome-based browser for privacy?
I opened this page in the 'tor' browser, the screen resolution data was wrong and did not detect the graphics card.
Something seem to have changed in Brave since this video. I have the settings on standard but I now get a random 'brax' fingerprint and the device signature is empty. So far it does not seem to have broken any websites.
Rob, I don't get it. My Brave on Settings only shows very minimal stuff (Profile name, Import Bookmarks, Default Browser, Keep in Dock, and On Startup). I don't have any of that stuff you're going in the left sidebar. I typed in "brave://settings" just like you did. Suggestions??
Great Video Rob Brother!👍🏼🙏🏼
Now that's what I'm talking about! Crystal Clear, Coherent and concise with the proof of concept!
What about some claims of Cryptomining etc?🤔
The only thing I would want to hide is my privacy.
did a test here in Dissenter which is built using Brave as its base and w'default settings it was diff FP per tab opened after the initial start
and that was done in old Dissenter
Version 0.69.132 Chromium: 77.0.3865.90 (Official Build) (64-bit)
Rob, have you taken a look at EFF's Cover Your Tracks test. Could you exam it and give them feedback to improve it. It is now 2022 and Brave has again implemented a lot of enhancements to privacy. Could you review it again and see if they ahve improved it in your estimation? Thanks!!!
I use multiple browser user profiles. I assume this would be similar to browser isolation, but going to have to test this with your script.
Thanks for the info!
Hi, if i use two different device for different account, then the fingerprint of these devices will be same or different ?
Learn what fingerprinting is.
I subscribed! This is great content. We need more people pushing anonymity setups and guides.
I test what you have teach us on the video on Samsung internet browser and the browser seems to be doing a great job . Because every time I opened a new tab It give me a new fingerprint without even closing the site .
Rob - as it stands now (in 2024) - which browser would you recommend? Brave or Firefox?
LOVE the videos!
Your content is very precise. Brilliant!