Almost Spectacular: LG's New 27" OLED Gaming Monitor Final

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  • Has my dream monitor finally arrived? LG’s Newest UltraGear 27” #GamingMonitor with the world's first 240Hz #OLEDGamingMonitor tries to get in my pants. But does it succeed?
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    By the way, I measured a brightness of 200nit in SDR but the peak brightness in HDR APL 3% is actually 1000nit :)
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  • @DawidDoesTechStuff
    @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +222

    Quick note, I measured the brightness at 200nit but LG wanted me to point out that this is SDR brightness and according to them the peak brightness in HDR APL 3% is 1000nit.
    1. For a brighter display, please turn off the "Smart Energy Saving" option in the monitor settings.
    2. A firmware update for the monitor's Game Mode enhancing the brightness during gaming is to be released in April 2023.
    Thanks! Bye. 😃

    • @Petar321_GT
      @Petar321_GT ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Can you give us some more insight on what happened at 6:49

    • @NeinStein
      @NeinStein ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But can it blend?

    • @hugevibez
      @hugevibez ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NeinStein it can: see Corsair Xeneon Flex which uses the same panel technology

    • @D4rkstorn
      @D4rkstorn ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@hugevibez I assume you're talking about bending and in that case: No it can't. It's the same panel technology(as in, OLED) but a completely different panel on a completely different monitor. This thing doesn't bend. At all. No matter how much you think you know.

    • @hugevibez
      @hugevibez ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@D4rkstorn Yeah that is literally the same information you can find in my comment but thanks.
      Also with panel technology I mean that this panel and the one found in the 45GR95QE and assumingly the Xeneon Flex are literally cut from the same panel sheet according to LG, not just that they coincidentally use OLED as well. This is why I jokingly commented it does bend, since the panel should be able to, it's just the glass and housing that doesn't bend (or well bend and bend back again, I'm sure you can bend it somehow if you tried)

  • @stimpy1
    @stimpy1 ปีที่แล้ว +747

    8 years is a long time to wait for a monitor to be delivered

    • @legeaux1
      @legeaux1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I know

    • @Dtr146
      @Dtr146 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Anybody who orders from wish knows his pain.

    • @danny8231
      @danny8231 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      8 years and they failed with the coating...

    • @Revener666
      @Revener666 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I still wait on something that can compete with CRT. Shaky handcams/movement never bothered me until I finally had to retire my CRT. :/

    • @marcandremarion7504
      @marcandremarion7504 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      UPS sorry not sorry

  • @jeffrossbach695
    @jeffrossbach695 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    It is so funny that you mentioned the matte finish LG uses because I literally returned an LG monitor because the finish bothered me so much. Basically once I noticed it I couldn't unsee it

    • @pastuh
      @pastuh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same issue with this monitor

  • @kamiamaya
    @kamiamaya ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I bought two LGs recently and they came with very similar stands. I've never had a monitor sit so high up before, love it.

  • @muhdict2224
    @muhdict2224 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    Totally agree on coating topic, reflective coating is much better in controlled lighting

    • @SweatedPear
      @SweatedPear ปีที่แล้ว +54

      It would be cool if they gave us a choice between matte and glossy

    • @rijjhb9467
      @rijjhb9467 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      and yet every OLED phone and tablet has a glossy finish.

    • @radroroscam3770
      @radroroscam3770 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@rijjhb9467 because people use phones 99% of the time, so of course, we would like to look at something that looks good. Also, lots of high end modern phones have a peak brightness than a lot of OLED TVs, so its not a problem on direct sunlight.

    • @hman6159
      @hman6159 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@radroroscam3770 true

    • @philipp_icedout
      @philipp_icedout ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rijjhb9467 got a Matte screen protector, best choice of my life. Reflections are no problem. Almost can’t see fingerprints and the screen always feels smooth

  • @indigomontari9022
    @indigomontari9022 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Hopefully other reviewers will say the same thing about the matte finish so we can get an updated model. I would only add if they can now give us a 27" OLED they can make a 34" ultra-wide

    • @Unicornpirate
      @Unicornpirate ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There is the AW QD-OLED and Samsung's new QD-OLED 34 inch ultrawide if that's your thing. The QD panel makes it look better than W-OLED. Also Asus has their own 27 inch version of this which I think uses a glossy finish and comes with a heatsink which will help with burn in.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hope that they make it in both because personally I HATE Glossy Coatings on screens as they have the most glare ever.

    • @jonnypena7651
      @jonnypena7651 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jimster481 I can see my damn face inside my room in despite being in the middle of tallers buildings.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonnypena7651 yup, my office is upstairs and I'm in farmland. It has 1 little window and I can see my face in my C1 with any light on in the room

    • @jonnypena7651
      @jonnypena7651 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jimster481 The worse case that I have seen is that if I turn my lights off they light coming from the screen is enough to see my face in the reflection, this is way worse in IPS.

  • @sokarash
    @sokarash ปีที่แล้ว +126

    I think for the first time I heard here that keeping your panel that high is ergonomic. Its been some years, but when I dug more into it, recommended the most was that to put the panel at a position if you look slightly down you see the upper edge of the monitor. That was also for office use and not gaming, but I always put my monitor down as much as possible, because if I look somewhere up, I tend to strecht my neck upwards, which at least for me is really uncomfortable. But ergonomics are always to a degree individual preference and not all science.

    • @bootchoo96
      @bootchoo96 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      It is recommended to have to top of the monitor at eye level

    • @konga382
      @konga382 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I believe the standard recommendation is that your eye level should be 3/4ths up the panel. But that recommendation came about when everyone still had 17 - 21" monitors. You may want to raise the monitor up a little for bigger 27"/32" monitors.

    • @apashee_
      @apashee_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The chair high enough so that your arms are in line with the table, the monitor so high that your eyes are in line with the upper edge

    • @Tamales53
      @Tamales53 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HPE "ergonomic professionals" adjust our work stations to have our monitors top line be at eye level. Like someone else said it is for development type office work, so possibly gaming egros are different(?)

    • @CallMeEspi
      @CallMeEspi ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Top 1/3rd of the monitor should be eye-level. Looking up causes neck and eye strain.

  • @lil_pai
    @lil_pai ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Been drooling for a review of this monitor since I saw it's announcement. What worried me the most was the anti-glare coating. So glad you covered it! I've been stuck on an IPS monitor for years, I can wait a little longer for a reflective version. Great and short video!

  • @conyo985
    @conyo985 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I agree Dawid. Matte coatings on displays are horrible. It ruins the vibrancy of the image.

  • @Matt_Duke
    @Matt_Duke ปีที่แล้ว +250

    I never liked matte coatings on pc monitors, I wondered for years why aren't monitors gloosy like phones now I got C2 and oh boy is it better. The reflections are totally worth it for the better colors

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo ปีที่แล้ว +30

      let's be honest, the reflections on tv aren't even objectively that bad. i think a lg tv reflects like 2% of light or some sht like that. the reason people feel it's more relfective than normal is because it's a sharp mirror reflection, and not a smear of light like these dumb coats do. oftentimes the smeared reflections are actually more reflective than these tvs. not to mention they dim the screen and reduce sharpness a little.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, I just got a c2 and it is wild

    • @driptic
      @driptic ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tential1 whats a c2??

    • @theoldpcgamer77
      @theoldpcgamer77 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I've got one too but 120hz is kinda meh. I want 27-32" 4k 240hz with a tv coating that's glossy looking and HDR to match the tv capabilities. Until then I'm buying nothing on the monitor side. Oh and £1000 is the limit I'm spending on a monitor but only if it's proper end game stuff. Until then I'll put up with 120hz with the C2.

    • @allnighter2949
      @allnighter2949 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@driptic its a lg product with no matte coating

  • @coardcreatif
    @coardcreatif ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s so nice that you have talked about coating. Made me look into another options like the ones from Dough.

  • @batsai
    @batsai ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Thanks for reviewing this Dawid. I had concerns about the matte coating, as well as burn in. I think it's easy to forget that this, in a way, is the first generation of these displays. There will (hopefully) be improvements to screen coatings and burn-in protection later. For now, I'm going to stick with my trusty IPS panel and enjoy all the reviews coming out of CES. Thanks again for a wonderful and candid review.

    • @tylermills5149
      @tylermills5149 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Burn in hasn't been an issue for my LG OLED(EG9100 I think) curved 1080p tv that I bought in 2016. I play and watch a lot of sports with static scoreboards with no issues. I do try to turn the tv off if I'm leaving for a while but that's more trying to save the pennies on my power bill. I love my OLED so much I bought another(LG 48A2) on Black Friday.

    • @wallacesousuke1433
      @wallacesousuke1433 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tylermills5149 press X to doubt

    • @batsai
      @batsai ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wallacesousuke1433 I think panel lottery also comes into play. I also believe Dough is coming out with a glossy OLED 27" monitor for a ridiculous price. Make fun of me if you want, but this is something that Apple consistently gets right. Their 27" Studio Display is HORRIFICALLY overpriced, but they do an excellent anti-reflective coating. Plus you get the poppy colors- I hope gaming monitor manufacturers will start giving us glossy displays without the price premium soon!

    • @gewdvibes
      @gewdvibes ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wallacesousuke1433 I have a LG OLED from 2017 that I play a ton of games and and there’s 0 burn in. Burn in is a severely overexaggerated problem. Is it a possible problem? Sure, but you basically have to brute force it on purpose for it to actually burn in

    • @wallacesousuke1433
      @wallacesousuke1433 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gewdvibes more like you have to babysit your TV in order to avoid or at least minimize that risk. And it's even worse in the case of monitors, PCs have so many static images and depending on your usage, the monitor can stay turned on for 8+ hours. I'd love to use OLED but the insane costs here in my country don't justify the potential burn-in risk

  • @veraxis9961
    @veraxis9961 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Yes! I am 100% with you that 27" OLED monitors is something the market has desperately needed. Not perfect yet it seems, but man is this a huge step in the right direction.

    • @JAT985
      @JAT985 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Id prefer a 4k 32” myself. Im holding out for a 32” 4k oled around $1000…
      Hopefully soon.

    • @whitewiped
      @whitewiped ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JAT985I’m hoping for a 4K 240Hz 32” MicroLED in 10 years time…

    • @MissMan666
      @MissMan666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JAT985 4k is just to much for the GPU's most people buy, id preffer 28-29" 2560x1440.

    • @Gekka115
      @Gekka115 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JAT985 OLED for 1440p would be a game changer as not everyone wants 4k and other prefer fps

    • @BenLA5
      @BenLA5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JAT985 I don't get why ppl either want a 27" or a 48" like wheres the 30-38 inch market? lol. PC gamers claim PCs can do other things, but I guess watching 4K movies and TV isn't one of them. I guess buying 2 products instead of 1 sums up PC gaming well--you lose thousands on Not being able to sell games, so whats another $2000 every few years?
      PCs are missing alot of dedicated media apps like Apple TV and Crave TV so I guess thats why monitors don't need remotes either or larger sizes as u are going to be within 6" at all times

  • @unwavering_sightseer7818
    @unwavering_sightseer7818 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This a great review. I can't wait for a 4k variant. My main display is the Aurous OLED 48, and my only dislikes are taking care of burn-in and glare from the gloss. Otherwise, I love OLED.

  • @brentvdx
    @brentvdx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome review! thanks for explaining the coating Dawid.

  • @kopilkaiser8991
    @kopilkaiser8991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I love watching your videos. Lots of love and support from me. You are absolutely entertaining plus consuming information. Just making it best of both worlds.

  • @Exbelior
    @Exbelior ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I'm so glad oled panels are finally coming to monitors. I got the Alienware aw3423dwf and love it, I'm more of an ultrawide person but this monitor looks really great too

    • @gotcha2343
      @gotcha2343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How satisfied are you with the Alienware aw3423dwf? I live in Austria and can't order it until mid-January. Thanks in advance.

    • @Exbelior
      @Exbelior ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@gotcha2343 I love it! the colors are great, hdr is great the resolution is great so i can only recommend it. But the first aw3423dwf I ordered beeped extremely loudly and then I sent it back and the new one beeps a bit too but that's only audible if you get very very close so everything is ok now

    • @Dew4lk
      @Dew4lk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Exbelior what? beeping? I've never heard a monitor beep

    • @opbush5272
      @opbush5272 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Exbelior beeps? on my dwf I don't have any beeping.

    • @Exbelior
      @Exbelior ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dew4lk that was coil whine from the power supply

  • @erzascralet48
    @erzascralet48 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for being honest about the coating. Makes me want to take a chance at Dough's version that is glossy, but will see 🙈

    • @Mageoftheyear
      @Mageoftheyear ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hopefully they're not the only OEM to go with a glossy coating. They're such a small company that they may have needed to convince another OEM to go glossy too, otherwise it might not have been worth LG's time to do two versions.

    • @HeyNavi
      @HeyNavi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don’t do it, you’ll never get the monitor 🙈

  • @fracturedrealitygaming1326
    @fracturedrealitygaming1326 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yooooooo thanks for the new content Dawid, love the channel

  • @ezrahancock4767
    @ezrahancock4767 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos always make my day better!

  • @Dr.WhetFarts
    @Dr.WhetFarts ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:55 Looking slightly down is actually what you want for neck health etc. You don't want to look up at all, which you will do when looking at the top half if the monitor is perfectly in line with your eyes @ center. Shadow detail and crushed blacks is a known issue on WOLED, QD-OLED on the other hand don't have this and shows way more detail in black scenes. 200 nits tops seem very low, SDR I hope? For proper HDR you will need at least 600-800 nits...

    • @charlie7mason
      @charlie7mason ปีที่แล้ว

      It is 1000 nits. He just never bothered to measure HDR. He didn't even turn it on. Don't know what kind of review it was where the user doesn't even know what the whole point of the product is.

  • @marcmoraru9021
    @marcmoraru9021 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks so cool! Thanks for the review!

  • @arvs7356
    @arvs7356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I came from the iMac 27, and switched to C2 42 not because of OLED, but because I can’t find a 27-inch monitor that has the best characteristic of iMac displays - reflective coating. The glass panels on the iMac and C2 42 just brings out the most vibrant pictures and videos.

  • @Piketom1
    @Piketom1 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    27 inches, 2K, OLED is EXACTLY what I have been asking for since the dawn of time. Even with a very powerful PC, 4K is just too demanding to get the silky frame rates that you can with 2K. HDR also makes a much bigger difference to the visual experience than the higher resolution of 4K. The lower brightness of an OLED display is not a deal breaker for a desktop monitor. Managing the lighting in a single room is pretty easy. The matte coating on the display would be a deal breaker for me. I have an LG 65C1 which has a glossy OLED display and while the reflectivity is a real problem the trade-off in image quality and color sharpness more than makes up for it. Again, a desktop monitor or TV is the type of display that won't move from room to room so it is very easy to manage the lighting in the room where you are using the display.

    • @emma6648
      @emma6648 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Okay rich boy

    • @Piketom1
      @Piketom1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@emma6648 Given the cost of the display, I feel like this is valid feedback.

    • @emma6648
      @emma6648 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Piketom1 it is

    • @arondyte318
      @arondyte318 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed on the matte coating being a deal breaker. It’s like putting a matte screen protector on your OLED phone. Sure it prevents reflectivity and fingerprints but it leads to making the screen quality look disgustingly bad.

    • @rickystafford7433
      @rickystafford7433 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      oh yeah…fk that matte coating. Never buying an OLED with matte coating

  • @rickystafford7433
    @rickystafford7433 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    i wish all monitors had glossy panels. I game at night in the dark like a lot of people. I can understand office monitors needing aggressive anti-glare but NOT gaming monitors

    • @luckyowl10
      @luckyowl10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If you have during the day on a glossy screen it would be the worst experience possible, it's better to have them matte, the trade-off is smaller than what people say

    • @krazyolie
      @krazyolie ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@luckyowl10everyone manages fine on their glossy phones

    • @luckyowl10
      @luckyowl10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@krazyolie this monitor has 200 nits brightness, most OLED phones have 2-3 times more brightness, it's quite a difference 🤔

    • @NeoGhiofish
      @NeoGhiofish ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@luckyowl10
      I game on my LG C9 all day long with zero issues...

    • @christiancepeda5457
      @christiancepeda5457 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      dude, been there done that. WORST experience even when not gaming. the glare from everything during the day is awful. im sure you use your computer during the day?

  • @LabCat
    @LabCat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kudos to Dawid for not just reviewing the technical specs of the monitor, but also using it long enough that he could comment respectfully and honestly on its day-to-day livability.
    Dawid, in your experience, does this type of panel require an adjustment in how you configure its settings? Personally I run my LED panels' color gamut a little bit warm to adjust for many panels' tendencies towards bluish white, and usually keep brightness and contrast between 60 and 75% to preserve backlight life. I don't do color-accurate rendering work so I'm not worried about peak accuracy, but just wondering how much you had to tweak the panel to get it where you were happy with it.

  • @ATK.
    @ATK. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This will pair amazingly with my c2, the antiglare coating makes FPS's look better in my opinion, especially since I travel a lot with my equipment it makes it better for different lighting situations.

  • @ElTeeger
    @ElTeeger ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Been waiting for an OLED monitor. You should do a follow up video, I want to know if you experience any burn in.

    • @justine3660
      @justine3660 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He has to return itn to lg

    • @justine3660
      @justine3660 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everything he gets just bout is a review unit

    • @Dr.WhetFarts
      @Dr.WhetFarts ปีที่แล้ว

      With 200 nits tops, I doubt it. HDR will be garbage as well.

  • @Jay_the_Caffeinator
    @Jay_the_Caffeinator ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So close!!! One day Dawid, may we all get the monitor we want.
    I found an LG 32" 1440p 165Hz at Costco for $220 on sale. It's about the best I can hope for now.
    One day, may we all have OLEDs bigger than our phones that we own.

    • @JAT985
      @JAT985 ปีที่แล้ว

      VA panel?

    • @Jay_the_Caffeinator
      @Jay_the_Caffeinator ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JAT985 yep! It's normally 300 but it goes on sale for 220.
      I have one in portrait to my left.

  • @JamesJackson-Hailey
    @JamesJackson-Hailey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love whatever coating is on my 42" C2, use it as a monitor everyday! The matte finish would definitely be a deal breaker for me.

  • @RedBeardedRabbit
    @RedBeardedRabbit ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks so much for emphasizing the importance of the panel coating.
    These thick, shimmery matte coatings are an atrocity. Anyone remember old Ultrasharps? And I'm sure LG Display still uses similarly bad matte layers on a lot of other panels.
    It is possible to have matte coatings be much clearer and typically not as distracting (like on my XPS 9500) but the glossy anti-reflective coatings on TVs are the gold standard.

  • @Benefits
    @Benefits ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't understand the $1000 price tag. You can get a 48 inch LG C1 OLED for around $700 on sale and sometimes even less, so I was expecting a desktop monitor to be in the $600 to $700 range.

    • @UniverseGd
      @UniverseGd ปีที่แล้ว

      Early Adopter Tax

  • @bigjoegamer
    @bigjoegamer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Burn in and image retention make OLED hard to recommend for someone like me who must have some useful static UI on my screen at all times. I'm just waiting another 7 or 8 years for microLED monitors. Until then, I'll probably go with 360hz+ panels with black frame insertion. Input lag and motion clarity and no risk of burn in/image retention are a must, to me.

    • @peoplez129
      @peoplez129 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They'll never release such a monitor, because they would last 10-20 years easily, which doesn't allow them to sell more monitors. Realistically, OLED is designed to last 2-5 years, and that's entirely so you have to buy a new one periodically. They will never ignore this leverage over customers. So the monitor you want will simply never be allowed to exist.

  • @pomps8085
    @pomps8085 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the review. It's a good job this isn't available in the UK yet as this went from a 'pre orde' r to 'have a test in the shop'

  • @Dagger_323
    @Dagger_323 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    27 inches is just far too small to be able to fully appreciate the picture quality of an OLED, and 1440p isn't a great resolution to be able to take advantage of the panel technology either. I got the 42" LG C2 last month and I don't think I could ever move back to a "gaming monitor" with a matte screen ever again. Everything "pops" because of the clear glossy screen on the C2 and it is the perfect size for both immersion and usability, not to mention its input lag and pixel response times rivel if not surpass the vast majority of monitors out there. The days of needing a dedicated gaming monitor are over. Modern TVs have surpassed gaming monitors in pretty much all areas in my opinion.

  • @stevens1041
    @stevens1041 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yeah, agreed about the matte finish. I notice it on my regular panels from LG, 32 inch 1440p 165 Hz--incredible since I've had them for two years now, but I really hate the matte screens. They are that bad, trust me.

  • @AidGum
    @AidGum ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'll wait for the Asus version of this monitor to come out, that one will most likely have better colors because of the custom heatsink and Asus hopefully putting in a less bad matte finish.

  • @Sam-mc2dk
    @Sam-mc2dk ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I've had my eye on an LG monitor but an IPS panel. I checked it out in the store today and I noticed the same type of matte film on it. Even when comparing it to a DELL VA panel the DELL VA panel colors pop. Its so disappointing because I love the look of LG TV's but their computer monitors don't look nearly as good when it comes to color pop. Thanks Dawid for all your hard work in making this and other videos.

  • @goksenincakr2466
    @goksenincakr2466 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally agree with you about the coating.

  • @valismind
    @valismind ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I ordered the QD OLED Alienware display the other day. - I know this will sound silly, but one of the biggest draws is the glossy display vs. the matte finish. I heard through the grapevine of this display coming out despite the embargo (shhh). And I was excited for it. I'm okay with 1440P (Alienware is 1440 wide). Though, it's a little dim. But the anti-glare coating takes away a ton of sharpness and really kills the vividness in the OLED for me. - Just got to the end. You're 100% right about the coating being a deal breaker. It's sad. The worst part is that the matte finish most likely added to the price. Sure, the reflection's don't help, and make the experience annoying in well lit environments. - But believe me, there's only one way to do OLED, and it's not matte that's for sure.

    • @bleachedwhale
      @bleachedwhale ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm using an AW3423DWF right now, and I previously owned an AW3423DW- both are fantastic monitors. The sheen of a matte screen is far more noticeable than any glare I've seen on both of the Alienware panels.

    • @cyberedge881
      @cyberedge881 ปีที่แล้ว

      I find that if there is enough light on the screen to cause a problem it doesn't really matter if it's matte or glossy. It looks like crap either way. So, the only option is to arrange things so as to avoid such situations altogether. Glossy is just so much better for image quality.

  • @PerspectiveBeyond
    @PerspectiveBeyond ปีที่แล้ว +15

    About your comments on the stand height:
    A healthy and ergonomic placement for a monitor is such that the top edge of the monitor is just slightly above your eye level. It is considered natural to look slightly downwards. I like that this monitor gives you more vertical freedom, but I think it's there mostly to allow portrait.

  • @Gekka115
    @Gekka115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have been waiting for OLED on monitors for ages, even though this one isn't great it shows that we are finally getting OLED monitors soon

  • @josephdesales7791
    @josephdesales7791 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I would totally agree to have Glossy finish version of this. Trust me, I am working in IT retail and I sold a lot of OLED laptops (specially 2.8k 90hz and 120hz ones) which I even played with it and I was like Holy shit, that was the best gaming experience I've ever had! Then there was Asus ROG 42" OLED that I tried and I can't even tell the difference between the Ultragear's Nano IPS which I'm currently using. Which makes LG OLED C2 still better a option if you don't mind having a bigger screen.

    • @AlejandroMartinez-yv1gh
      @AlejandroMartinez-yv1gh ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing cant beat C1/C2, colors are incredible and the experience is phenomenal

    • @glitchinthematrix9306
      @glitchinthematrix9306 ปีที่แล้ว

      What you think about aw 3423dwf?

    • @josephdesales7791
      @josephdesales7791 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@glitchinthematrix9306 haven't tried that monitor since it is still not available in our region.

  • @Jiusonium
    @Jiusonium ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ultragear stands are absolutely fantastic. I have a 31,5 inch ultragear, an I love the ability to lift up the display as high as it'll go

    • @truereaper4572
      @truereaper4572 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hate their stands honestly. The angled feet get in the way of everything, and they don't go low enough.

  • @Lyander25
    @Lyander25 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Isn't it recommended that the top of the monitor be flush with your eye line when staring straight forward though? That said, I also prefer monitors to be higher up when gaming (and prefer the "ergonomically correct" height for productivity work). Quick question, does the monitor have marks for "flat" position, i.e. 90 degree angle to the stand and not swiveled left or right?

  • @JohnDoe-wq5eu
    @JohnDoe-wq5eu ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep, I would say if it wasn't for those two (huge) caveats I would be very interested in this. But yeah that price and aggressive matte finish are a one two punch that knocks my interest right out.

  • @user-ll2pr4ut7s
    @user-ll2pr4ut7s ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do the other buttons work on a lgtv? I would like to buy the remote separately just so i dont have to navigate through many menus just to adjust brightness. Seeing brightness adjust rather than channel switching is very compelling.

  • @xellaz
    @xellaz ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now only if LG can do this at 32"4K 240Hz glossy coating 1000+ nits brightness in HDR then I'll pre-order 🤪

    • @arctiicfreeze4018
      @arctiicfreeze4018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      just get a AW3423DW(F) at this point, UWQHD 34" QD-OLED HDR1000 & HDR400 TrueBlack, 175/165 Hz (1299$/999$)

    • @xellaz
      @xellaz ปีที่แล้ว

      @arctiicfreeze4018 My current monitor is a Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 which is a 4k 240Hz HDR 1000+nits mini-LED monitor with 1196 local dimming zones which gives almost OLED-like contrast. A 1440p OLED won't cut it for me. I've been using 4K since 2016. 😔

    • @arctiicfreeze4018
      @arctiicfreeze4018 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xellaz i was using 27" 4k before the Alienware, gotta say Panel quality > resolution

    • @xellaz
      @xellaz ปีที่แล้ว

      @arctiicfreeze4018 Honestly, I like the Neo G8 a lot except for the aggressive matte coating.
      Check out the 27" 4K OLED monitor by TLC on CES 2023. It looks so good with the glossy coating. It's only at 120Hz though and it's just a concept product and won't be coming anytime soon. 😔

  • @MrAsterack
    @MrAsterack ปีที่แล้ว +3

    $1000 for a 1440p monitor is still a bit too high to consider, but color me interested. Definitely something to keep my eye on.

  • @vaghatz
    @vaghatz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for not going into the auto review mode "It's is OLED, just buy it" that most reviewers fall into and you brought some genuine criticism

  • @felipesantos1264
    @felipesantos1264 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing video, man! thanks a lot

  • @steve270472
    @steve270472 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been using the 48" LG C1 for the last 6 months, its cheaper than that monitor & doesn't have the matte film horror show. Its obviously not got the 240hz refresh rate of the Ultragear but I can happily live without that.

    • @Dr.WhetFarts
      @Dr.WhetFarts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      48 inches is trash for most serious gamers. Even 42 inch is way too big. There's a reason why people are looking for 27-32 inch OLED panels. If I want big screen gaming I am using my QD-OLED TV which blows me LG G1 away. For shooters and competitive gaming I will take my 27" 1440p IPS 280 Hz any day still. Even 32 inch is too big for serious fps gaming, eyes needs to physically move to see the edges = slow reaction in game and terrible performance. 24-27 inch is sweet spot for fps gaming for a reason. Casual gamers might as well buy a console and use a 65+ inch tv instead.

    • @arthurmorgan6353
      @arthurmorgan6353 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      42 C2 is way better

    • @fabiocantarelli9925
      @fabiocantarelli9925 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arthurmorgan6353 hi, i bought lg c2 42" 2 months ago, i use it with my xbox series x playing from the desk (with compact Bose 2.1 audio 😍) from a distance of about 85/90 cm and it's amazing. fluid 4k images, very detailed, and with spectacular blacks and colors. for the desk for these gaming distances I think it's definitely a best buy. 👋👋

    • @arthurmorgan6353
      @arthurmorgan6353 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fabiocantarelli9925 thats nice (:

  • @JFlint.02
    @JFlint.02 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Much like everyone else, this is the monitor I've been waiting for (or perhaps one with a glossy coating). Yet, I'm still going to wait for it to come down in price. I'm still fairly happy with my Dell 1440p/144Hz TN monitor that was $500 like 6 or 7 years ago 😅

    • @vladrazym9955
      @vladrazym9955 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should have changed it for something using ips for 150$ - youll feel the difference

    • @rice214
      @rice214 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm just hoping the monitors I want to get goes down in price.

    • @aboveaveragebayleaf9216
      @aboveaveragebayleaf9216 ปีที่แล้ว

      Feel the difference? TN panels have excellent response time. No HDR, but really only a good ips panel would be worth upgrading to. I'm waiting for good 1440p oleds to get cheaper.

    • @JFlint.02
      @JFlint.02 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vladrazym9955 I did actually 😅 I picked up a Sony Inzone M9 ($900!) a month ago and had to send it back because it really wasn't that great of an upgrade. The display was alright, but I enjoyed the picture I got out of my Dell better (mind you I have my Dell tuned a lot in the Nvidia control panel). And there were many other reasons I just didn't love the M9. My Dell ain't perfect, but it holds up well. Also, I don't know of any 1440p/144Hz IPS monitors for $150 😅

    • @JFlint.02
      @JFlint.02 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rice214 I'm sure they will. They always seem to, but you'll have to wait a little while. Or you can try your luck with open-box for cheaper, just make sure you have the option to return just in case.

  • @zoeycasa6497
    @zoeycasa6497 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Thank-you

  • @paulknight5018
    @paulknight5018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like the stand is quite a fingerprint magnet as well. At work I have to put up with a matt "privacy filter", the Matt finish would be way too aggressive.

  • @rustler08
    @rustler08 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dawid forgot that the booty bit of the monitor is also a hexagon. Also PC38X ftw. Such a good all-in-one headphone
    As far as matte finishes, I'd be entirely okay if they ceased to exist on gaming monitors, personally. I understand people for some reason cannot position their monitors away from the sun, but I don't really care about that because this is my opinion

    • @cyberedge881
      @cyberedge881 ปีที่แล้ว

      I understand matte finishes for office environments where you may not be able to control lighting arrangements, but I have never seen it be a problem in one's own home.
      And, honestly, if the light hitting your screen is that bad it's going to look like crap with either type of finish.
      The thing is, matte looks bad all of the time. It saps the display of vibrancy, contrast, perceived black levels and three dimensional depth.

  • @Macho_Man_Randy_Savage
    @Macho_Man_Randy_Savage ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Props for talking about the Matte coating. Gloss needs to be an option on these OLED displays, you are gimping your picture quality that way. This is why I skipped the PG42UQ and went with the 42" C2, despite wanting the ASUS model since CES but once the coating was 100% confirmed it was a no for me. C2 is also dirt cheap on sale and has way more features and value overall.

  • @raikozy35
    @raikozy35 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    your eye line should technically make a straight line to the top edge portion of the monitor from the ergonomic stand point, having the monitor like that is technically not recommended lol.

  • @AGuyFromHazard
    @AGuyFromHazard ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A glossy screen is a must on a oled. The colors are muted with a matt finish

  • @JohnDowis
    @JohnDowis ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The fact that the remote also controls LG TVs is a deal breaker for me. I had this issue with the 42" C2 and had to return it. I also have an LG tv in the same room, and all the work arounds are annoying and inconsistent, and who wants electrical tape all over their expensive electronics. Really a shame.

    • @Tezla_Insanity
      @Tezla_Insanity ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It would've been nice if they included an option in the OSD to disable remotes.

    • @AnnaDoes
      @AnnaDoes ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Haha yeah every time I’d turn on the TV I’d accidentally switch off Dawid’s monitor mid game… risky 🤣

  • @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs
    @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I still find it funny Tech enthusiasts gas lit themselves into thinking a 42" TV could be a daily driver.
    I'm so excited to get this monitor.

    • @FG-td4vs
      @FG-td4vs ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol, its not a problem. I prefer this size over anything else. 27 inch is way too small imo

    • @ffwast
      @ffwast ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So all those people that enjoy it are just pretending huh? Sounds like you're trying to gaslight yourself into pretending you're better than someone else.

    • @cinemapigeon4898
      @cinemapigeon4898 ปีที่แล้ว

      Used 48 inch OLED for over a year, and have been using 42 inch for past 3-4 months. It's actually very usable providing you have enough space.

    • @Safetytrousers
      @Safetytrousers ปีที่แล้ว

      48 inches is my perfect and max size for my position (about twice desk distance).

  • @snowdawn
    @snowdawn ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for reviewing this monitor. I cannot afford this now, it still good thing to watch and see where OLED monitors will go.

  • @WarpRulez
    @WarpRulez ปีที่แล้ว

    I had played with the original Nintendo Switch for a couple of years, and then I switched (hah!) to the OLED version (sold the old one to a friend). The most striking thing that I immediately noticed was that when playing in the dark, when screen went black, it essentially turned off _completely._ It was pitch black, with no light at all. This was quite different from the original one, which had a very visible glow in the dark even when the screen was showing only black.

  • @itsdeonlol
    @itsdeonlol ปีที่แล้ว +5

    27 inches is a great monitor size. I don't need a bigger monitor than that.

    • @WyattOShea
      @WyattOShea ปีที่แล้ว

      Same for me even though I have the desk space for much larger screens my 2 27 inch screens are pretty much the perfect size for me.. Too bad one is 1080p and really old now (around 8 years old) and the other one is 165hz 1440p. I feel like 4k at that screen size would be perfect for me but 1440p still looks great to me too.

    • @robwilliamson6181
      @robwilliamson6181 ปีที่แล้ว

      I went from a 55 inch to a 27 inch gaming monitor. Never looked back since, especially playing MW2

  • @TrekCZ
    @TrekCZ ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dawid, have you seen sitting ergonomics information yet? You should look in the monitor slightly down for center of monitor (i.e. top of the screen max at eye level). Also, coatings are an issue because some reviewers roast clear coatings because they reflect light a lot.

    • @cbboy1265
      @cbboy1265 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anyone "serious gamer" has the light situating figured out. Don't make my screen worse when I can solve the lighting myself.

    • @christophervanzetta
      @christophervanzetta ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s only fir office settings, not gaming as your posture is dramatically different

  • @txmetalcobra
    @txmetalcobra ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favorite part about OLED is no disgusting backlight bleeding or glow from an IPS panel. I went with an Odyssey G7 just to not have to deal with an IPS. I don’t liked curved monitors but I really hate backlight bleeding and glow from IPS. I’m so excited for these new OLED/MiniLed monitors to start being pumped out into the market.

    • @Masoch1st
      @Masoch1st ปีที่แล้ว

      It's still VA lol. Same shit

  • @omdwillieturnip8840
    @omdwillieturnip8840 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nooooooo that bit about the anti glare coating has completely shattered my dreams into a thousand tiny pieces

  • @TerraWare
    @TerraWare ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The matte finish is kind of a deal breaker I have to admit. I currently use a C1 oled for gaming and would love to get something like it, perhaps a bit brighter in a 1440p form. Luckily it looks like other brands have QD Oleds coming out as well so I'm not going to rush. Got the C1, a 4090 and a PS5 I am good until something comes that has everything I need.

    • @meknowu1
      @meknowu1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep if I wanted a matte 1000$ oled display then I would smear vaseline on my own but please give us the option between glossy and matte.

    • @Piketom1
      @Piketom1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was a life-long mac user until I got my first gaming PC a couple of years ago. The one thing that drives me nuts about PC hardware is that virtually every monitor has a matte finish. Glossy displays look so much better. I really wish we had the option of either matte or glossy finishes on high end PC monitors.

    • @meknowu1
      @meknowu1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Piketom1 Yeh I don't understand it, if reflections are the issue then the user will figure it out but not giving an option is a complete deal breaker and but maybe this monitor not being bright enoug is the issue.

    • @Piketom1
      @Piketom1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@meknowu1 My work computer uses an Apple Studio display and it does a better job managing glare than my much more expensive gaming monitor even though the gaming display has a matte finish. The idea that a glassy display can't manage glare is a lie.

  • @cireletie2742
    @cireletie2742 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    27" is the perfect size for a normal usecase change my mind

    • @justinbouchard
      @justinbouchard ปีที่แล้ว

      define "normal"

    • @cireletie2742
      @cireletie2742 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justinbouchard no far away wall mount and a normal viewing distance. Especially while playing a fps a bigger screen gets disorienting real fast

    • @fatsloth9209
      @fatsloth9209 ปีที่แล้ว

      for a 1440p panel definitely

    • @Defy_Convention
      @Defy_Convention ปีที่แล้ว

      I like 32" bigger better

    • @justinbouchard
      @justinbouchard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cireletie2742 what does a normal viewing distance mean? because i'm pretty sure there is math to show how far away you should be from a particular screen size to let your eye see "all" of it

  • @nathancomalander4417
    @nathancomalander4417 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you got into Tarkov.. probably one of the best fps experiences you can get currently. Been playing for a couple years now

  • @TheHDTheater
    @TheHDTheater ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Waiting for the guy on pre-order. I've always used matte finish displays for my rig, so I don't believe this will bother me. I think I'll still be blown away and will suit my needs. Definitely an expensive piece of tech, maybe a bit overvalued, but I wanted to hop on the 1440p 240hz OLED train. Thanks for the review!

    • @InfiniteVertigo
      @InfiniteVertigo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also prefer matte. I don't quite understand why people want a glossy display. In my experience, using a glossy display is like staring into a mirror.

    • @cyberedge881
      @cyberedge881 ปีที่แล้ว

      @InfiniteVertigo
      I don't understand why people like matte finishes. It looks horrible to me. It robs the picture of contrast, saturation, perceived black levels and three dimensional depth.
      If enough light is hitting my screen to cause a problem it will look like crap whether the screen finish is matte or glossy. So the only option is to not allow that to happen, which is not hard to do in my experience.

  • @Robbaz
    @Robbaz ปีที่แล้ว +9

    what happens if you have multiple monitors, wont the remote fuck with them all.

    • @omar.alsharif
      @omar.alsharif 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS ROBERT

    • @PermissiveMoggy
      @PermissiveMoggy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@omar.alsharif LET HIM COOK! The guy has a life of his own and has been doing youtube for over a decade now.

  • @zeerox8637
    @zeerox8637 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The coating was a deal breaker for me, I will wait for a oled with glossy coating instead. But its nice to see that more oled monitors are being made, now we just have to wait for the good ones

  • @CrayCrazy
    @CrayCrazy ปีที่แล้ว

    Subbed after this. Tarkov and OLED impression

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 ปีที่แล้ว

    I once took the LCD panel out of my older Dell 6520 laptop and polished it with a car polisher to make it shiny because I hated the matte finish! It worked!

  • @bobfranklin2572
    @bobfranklin2572 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Felt like a sales pitch for a pretty mid monitor ngl

  • @lucutes2936
    @lucutes2936 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    LGTV > LGBT

    • @ps3guy22
      @ps3guy22 ปีที่แล้ว

      💀💀💀

  • @bodaciuos357
    @bodaciuos357 ปีที่แล้ว

    to soon to buy. ill wait for nov.when it dropes to a reasonable price . thank for the vid

  • @chepesk132004
    @chepesk132004 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks bro

  • @thorium9190
    @thorium9190 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish it came in a 4K 144hz variant!! Amazing for productivity and gaming

  • @joaquinvelasquez6252
    @joaquinvelasquez6252 ปีที่แล้ว

    "If it wasn't for the coating, I would be inappropriately excited about it!" I laughed because your face looked so genuine. 🤣

  • @king715168
    @king715168 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was so excited when i heard about this monitor, but after i’ve learned about the matte coating, i immediately bought a 42 inch c2 instead, i guess i will buy one when they release a 32 inch 4k version in the future.

  • @Ladioz
    @Ladioz ปีที่แล้ว

    Dawid Im still using the Benq EX2510 MOBIUZ that you used to use in your older videos. I love it

  • @stephenbrothers9185
    @stephenbrothers9185 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a larger desk than most probably do, but if you’ve got the space for it and about a grand to spend, the 42” c2 oled is hard to beat. You get used to the size/can sit a little away from it but it’s amazing otherwise

  • @IsoMolly
    @IsoMolly ปีที่แล้ว

    I completely agree. I am baffled they didn’t make it glossy screen like their tv’s. I’m waiting for one with glass screen

  • @jeevana.6391
    @jeevana.6391 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everything I've read about ergonomics says that you should be eye level with the top of your monitor with it tilted slightly upwards, so you can gently bend your neck down vs craning up and down.

  • @CallsignVega
    @CallsignVega ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually proper ergonomics has the top of the monitor at eye level and the center of the monitor with a slight downward gaze from your eyes. Studies have shown a slight downward gaze is the most relaxed/comfortable for the eyes.

  • @brianrobinson3961
    @brianrobinson3961 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ive seen 2 reviews on this and both complain about the coating. LG should definitely make another version with the same coating as the C2.

  • @counterstrikelord
    @counterstrikelord ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been waiting for 27 inch OLED for awhile now too

  • @Rock_Wilson
    @Rock_Wilson ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude I love your content. Hope your tarkov wipe is going swell

  • @CaptainSpud88
    @CaptainSpud88 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got an OLED from lg … it’s a beast 4K 120 with the colors looking 👀 nice 👍🏻

  • @kadendavis5621
    @kadendavis5621 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one just like this but the last gen one it works amazingly

  • @mrzazzaable
    @mrzazzaable ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been saying matte coatings are horrible for picture contrast and colour for YEARS and I would say 95% of smooth brains shout that matte is superior until they tripped over a rock and saw a LG c2 from their cave. Now everyone has woken up.

  • @Weissman111
    @Weissman111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    According to our display screen ergonomic assessment, you're supposed to put the monitor so that the search bar in a browser is level with your eyes - that's whty hardly any go as highj as you want.

    • @lennart3100
      @lennart3100 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, you should look a little bit down and tilt the screen a little bit upwards. When it's at eye-level in the center then you have to look a bit upwards to see the upper part. And you naturally look downwards most of the time so it makes sense.

    • @Yeahimagamer
      @Yeahimagamer ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you have a stroke?

  • @liquid_FUNK
    @liquid_FUNK ปีที่แล้ว +2

    to look slightly downwards is totally normal (check when you are walking are you looking completely straight or slightly to the bottom? ...yea right) the eyes should be on the same height as the top edge of the monitor .... playing like in minute 3:48 is not good for your neck

  • @imthemidgeman217
    @imthemidgeman217 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any news on the bug where the monitor diverts to 120 hz only mode when your in 1440p Fullscreen. For some reason my panel and quite a few other people's thinks it's displaying in 4k and limits frames to 120hz unless you play the game in borderless windowed mode.

  • @wendel_the_wanderer
    @wendel_the_wanderer ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks ill wait for a version with out an aggressive matte finish

  • @chanchan05
    @chanchan05 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thing is, the proper ergonomic position according to every other ergonomic page I've seen is the center of the monitor should be a little below eye level. Like looking straight should hit the upper 1/3 of the monitor, not dead center. Also you activate screen savers so you don't need to remember to turn it off when walking away.

    • @GregoryShtevensh
      @GregoryShtevensh ปีที่แล้ว

      Which is exactly where he did have it in fact

  • @mitchstrydom5298
    @mitchstrydom5298 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lekker content maater.

  • @1voJan
    @1voJan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    gloss coating is literally the reason i went with the c2 42", ive been waiting for a good glossy high refresh rate monitor but it looks like thats not gonna happen