I played Morrowind's "Tribunal" DLC for the first time. It's not great.

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  • @LodenVor
    @LodenVor 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +437

    Bloodmoon is the better DLC. I can recall very little of Tribunal despite having played through it several times, but Bloodmoon sticks in the memory more, and positively so.

    • @Krunchamunch220
      @Krunchamunch220 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      The story is implemented so much better then Tribunal.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

      Thanks for letting me know, and I'm glad i'm not alone. I'm not uninstalling MW just yet... I think I might make the return after some other videos.

    • @felixarbable
      @felixarbable 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@FrostbreakYT bloodmoon is well worth it, very fun area with fun nords and stuff

    • @horatiod3579
      @horatiod3579 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Exact same here. It's been almost 20 years but I still remember most of Bloodmoon, while the only thing I remember about Tribunal are the stupid goblins/sewers.

    • @sydneymads5220
      @sydneymads5220 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yea, Bloodmoon is a good game, Tribunal is for making money (for Bethesda and your player character)

  • @kickasstronaut5182
    @kickasstronaut5182 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +268

    you get to build a town, own a mead hall, and meet crackhead santa in bloodmoon. Totally worth it over tribunal.

    • @PaleGhost69
      @PaleGhost69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      It's weird how you essentially are just a messenger for Raven Rock and you feel so accomplished at the end, whereas Hearthfire homes feel hollow and almost useless even on a character who's rping as a homesteader.

    • @AnimeVampire234
      @AnimeVampire234 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      LOL crackhead santa lololol you aint wrong really xDD

    • @jacobzawadzki2051
      @jacobzawadzki2051 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Bloodmoon is still kinda shit though let's be real lmao. I love Morrowind but the dlcs just kinda suck

    • @sengoku_fin
      @sengoku_fin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love crackhead santa, he brings joy to all

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Sounds like fun :)

  • @Slicevicious
    @Slicevicious 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +116

    My understanding is that she wants you to wield Trueflame to show her people that you're Nerevar reborn, and get the whole "I'm re-united with my husband" thing, and intends to make you a martyr by killing you and blaming Sotha Sil and Vivec, so she can ascend the Tribunal as a solo act

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Interesting. I must say I was a little shocked when I found out "I was her husband". I'm sure that's mentioned in the base-game but I thought that was funny

    • @treeaboo
      @treeaboo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@FrostbreakYT While Almalexia mentions it in her Tribunal dialogue specifically, it is mentioned a couple of times in the base game.
      In the book "The Battle of Red Mountain, and the Rise and Fall of the Tribunal" is the line 'Nerevar's queen, Almalexia'. The book is found in the base game in the Palace of Vivec and the Hall of Justice Secret Library.
      Additionally, she's referred to as 'the Lover' (whereas Sotha Sil is 'the Teacher', in reference to their roles vis-à-vis Nerevar) in "The Cantatas of Vivec", a book of poems/gospels by Vivec that is found in a few locations in the base game.

  • @dianrriski
    @dianrriski 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +106

    Playing morrowind, getting lost in vivec city. Playing mournhold dlc, getting lost in the sewer, classic morrowind experience 😂

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    • @Nightweaver1
      @Nightweaver1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Those sewers are AWFUL. There's multiple interconnected areas of them and they ALL look the same, and only ONE leads to the damn Dark Brotherhood base. So bad, and this is coming from a MW vet with thousands of hours in it.

  • @PaperFlare
    @PaperFlare 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    Yeah, your opinion on Tribunal is pretty much the consensus in the community.
    The big issue to keep in mind is that it was designed to be "end game" content. From a purely story perspective it requires Dagoth Ur's defeat to make sense. But as a result of this, the game expects you to be near an end game character and have a lot of meta knowledge on the game. This is especially an issue with magic because Bethesda's idea for dealing with the power of magic characters was to give a lot of enemies magic immunity and even magic reflection to stop you. Melee doesn't fair much better because they give a bunch of enemies high ability and luck scores and even passive sanctuary (Dodge spell) effects to drop your hit rate to stupid low numbers.
    It's interesting that you disliked Tribunal because it is often cited as the turning point from Morrowind's open quest structure with actual player choices so the more linear, guided structure seen in Oblivion and Skyrim where they frequently try to trick you with false choices that both lead to the same end (in tribunal if you with for Helseth you're told to do Almalexia's quests "as a spy" but there's no payoff or differences between the questlines minus a couple bonus quests for Helseth where you need to root out some dissidents).
    Ultimately, Bloodmoon is a MUCH better expansion that utilizes what makes Morrowind great and there are two major questlines (main quest and a colony side quest) that have actual, meaningful branching paths that take the quests in pretty different directions. Especially the main quest where you participate in the same events, but on opposite sides. I absolutely believe you will enjoy Bloodmoon as much as base game. Just be prepared for, uhhh, some very challenging fights because you can't back out at the end.
    Plus, as a Skyrim fan who most likely did Dragonborn, Bloodmoon sets the stage and informs much of the lore you find in Solstheim and it would be an interesting second look for you.
    Regardless of whether you decide to do bloodmoon or not, thanks for this video and I look forward to what's next.

    • @greenscheme2040
      @greenscheme2040 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oblivion isn't linear.

    • @treeaboo
      @treeaboo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greenscheme2040 Its major questlines sure are.

  • @chryses7565
    @chryses7565 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +102

    LOL as soon as I saw that thumbnail I knew exactly what this vid was about. dw ur 100% not alone tribunal is widely regarded as rushed/subpar. prob a new r/morrowind post on it every few weeks about people being disappointed/upset. bloodmoon is 100% worth it tho don't give up just yet!

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      wow yeah I just searched in google "morrowind tribunal reddit" and most of the results are people complaining about it (after trying it for the first time). Glad I'm not insane

  • @antonisauren8998
    @antonisauren8998 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Main issue with Bloodmoon is, that it's not connected to the base game at all. Tribunal gives some closure to main theme, while Bloodmoon is completely separate Skyrim adventure on small island oversaturated with lvl 40 mobs.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Could be cool to make a comparison video between Solstheim in MW vs Skyrim

  • @Naeyx
    @Naeyx 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Throwing my recommendation behind Tamriel Rebuilt. There is no 'main quest' but wow for fan made, its enthralling to explore it all and as much content as the main game.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's on my list. Just have to figure out how to download mods lol

  • @thedrake5072
    @thedrake5072 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    Ah Yes, Tribunal. I remember it well. 10 Hours of Fetch Quests in the Sewers followed by one of the best, yet unearned conclusions in a game. What is this a... 5 / 10 too much sewers?

  • @GustavEEriksson
    @GustavEEriksson 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Bloodmoon is absolutely a worthwhile DLC! So many unique interactions and quests, one of my favorites things is helping to develop the newly established Raven Rock colony!

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah I think I'll end up playing it. Just need a bit of a MW break for now :)

  • @slickjack2618
    @slickjack2618 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As I recall, the best thing about the Tribunal DLC was the improvements to the journal.
    When TES III: Morrowind was published, the Player's Journal was only accessible on a chronological basis, ie. it was like reading a diary with entries following one another in the order the information was obtained by the Player. The Journal entries could not be sorted by source or subject matter, it was simply available in the order which the player obtained the information.. If you used those features in your earlier playthroughs, you failed to experience the "True 2002 Experience" upon which you take so much pride. I also noticed that your game failed to crash as much as it did in 2002.
    Tribunal was a real gamechanger, not for the DLC quests, lore, etc. Instead it was a gamechanger due to the Quality of Life improvements that came with it.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Your 100% right. I just discovered that addition at the start of this video and I should've mentioned it. being able to actually sort by quest is revolutionary for MW xD

  • @sengoku_fin
    @sengoku_fin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yes I remember those feelings. It's somewhat of a sugar coating, but if you consider Almalexia, who has gone mad from losing the ability to renew her beloved divinity, to be the one pulling the strings from the start, the fetch quests start to make a sense. She's trying to kill off the Nerevarine and simply uses them as a means to an end.
    To the player, however, Mournhold is still just a place that has everything jacked up to end-game levels. The clerks have big speechcraft skills, there's Gaenor the max luck guy and everything just works with bigger numbers in general. I think the biggest area of effect I saw in vanilla Morrowind was the fireball from a dremora. Here you can't outrun the blast that fills 90% of the room :D

  • @ultimateexergon
    @ultimateexergon 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    You should give Bloodmoon a try, it's way better than Tribunal. Also I can recommend the Tamriel Rebuilt Mod if you want to visit Deshaan and the rest of mainland Morrowind. That mod alone is bigger than the base game + the DLC and it's been in development for many years with more updates to come.

    • @antonisauren8998
      @antonisauren8998 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well, there is no Deshaan in TR. Maybe a bit if we go with ESO geography.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes! I just need to figure out how mods work in Morrowind lol

  • @shaunbarclay1309
    @shaunbarclay1309 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    wait until he plays bloodmoon as a frost wizard when everything has frost resistance lmao

  • @kildozery
    @kildozery 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If you ever intend to replay Tribunal I highly recommend the mod Tribunal Facelift. It makes the sewers A LOT less painful.

  • @lexicon4974
    @lexicon4974 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Someone's probably said it already but a major problem of tribunal is it was rushed/subpar with likely a small budget but it also has the issue of expecting players to have beaten the large majority of content in the base game before starting tribunal; it ends up leading newer players to morrowind to learning that to get the DB to stop jumping them they gotta do some of the DLC early on which utterly floors them in difficulty

  • @TyroneTheBest
    @TyroneTheBest 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Don't think nobody saw the fireball at 4:08

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That's still a frost spell! At least with openMW all "blast" spells (regardless of damage type) have that explosion effect. It's called "frost blast" which you can see at 0:37. Very expensive but good for AOE

  • @mattmanmaniac4814
    @mattmanmaniac4814 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I had played Morrowind for many years before tackling Tribunal and feeling the same way you did about approaching Bloodmoon. Took a break and came back and glad I followed through on it! Bloodmoon offers way more diversity and is far FAR more memorable. Although, I went the whole DLC without knowing that cutscenes were supposed to be playing at certain story beats (classic Bethesda bug) 😅

  • @andrelarsenpt
    @andrelarsenpt 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Bloodmoon DLC is WAAAAAAY better!!!

  • @SamP-by7iv
    @SamP-by7iv 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Bloodmoon is really good. They completely nailed it with that one.

  • @xxHANNONxx
    @xxHANNONxx 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The Tribunal DLC's reason for existing, is because it's a prerequisite for the Tamriel Rebuilt mod.

  • @TheNorthlander
    @TheNorthlander 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I hope you do eventually check out Tamriel Rebuilt! As a fan expansion, it's amazing (and I say that as a fairly new Morrowind fan).

    • @NotOats_
      @NotOats_ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      +1 for Tamriel Rebuilt, it adds a ton of content and is extremely well made for a community mod/expansion.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      My next MW video will likely be Tamriel Rebuilt over Bloodmoon; but we'll see :)

  • @moistraven1849
    @moistraven1849 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Idunno if I mind the sewers in Tribunal, a lot of the caves on the mainland kind of blur together to me. Not in a bad way, I do actually remember a lot of the memorable ones, but physically they also look very samey sometimes.

  • @Alico_Reborn
    @Alico_Reborn 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Adding mods and Tamriel Rebuilt would definitely spice up your experience. That mod is amazing. Also, I am a diehard Morrowind fan, but I have never finished the Tribunal DLC. I have used console commands to skip to the final quest to experience it, but I was bored to death after the very first sewer dungeon and did not want to go back. You are definitely not alone in wanting to put the game down after that.

  • @clintmclintock
    @clintmclintock 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Blood Moon is so much better than Tribunal, especially if you played Dragonborn in Skyrim

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Good to know, perhaps I will continue

  • @wolfgod6443
    @wolfgod6443 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Played this only a couple years ago, and I agree with almost everything said in this video. However I love it still specifically for the writing. Even the way characters ask you to do fetch quests makes it sounds more exciting and interesting that it had any right to be. Almalexia is a very tragic character because she was the best of the Tribunal. The fear of losing her power after a millennium drove her mad, but you could still see a glimmer of who she once was and why the people followed her. Even the former Hand she sends you to assassinate legitimately loves her, but his faith has waned. I like it because I felt like it could've happened to anyone in her position. She and Mankar Camoran are my two favorite TES characters.
    But yeah it's crazy Tribunal has the worst escort mission in Morrowind after the numerous terrible escort missions in base game (without OpenMW). That acolyte got stuck on everything and the quest was nearly unbeatable. As for difficult, it's wild that goblins are stronger than the entire 6th house pretty much. I played a spellsword and found Almalexia much harder than the Imperfect, but the Imperfect was the more fun boss. Clockwork is probably my favorite dungeon in the game and I like both it and ESO's depiction. I think they can coexist. I like the dangerous aspect of it because Sotha Sil was trying "anything" to build a better world, so we should expect "anything", and I feel the exact opposite about steampunk. Anytime I hear that I think of very crude but functional technology, nothing sleek.
    Also, Dwemer C4.
    Edit: Oh I almost forgot my fun fact: Barenziah is famous for more than just the books named after her. She played a major role in the defeat of TES' first villain from Arena, Jagar Tharn (last name sound familiar?). She and her son Helseth were also prominent characters in the sequel Daggerfall. While she's mentioned in later games, Morrowind you could say is the end of her journey.

  • @x0x0niks
    @x0x0niks 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    mournhold city of light city of magic

  • @tarponpet
    @tarponpet 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Bloodmoon has an actual map

  • @chryses7565
    @chryses7565 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    also very good choice of music as usual. not a classical fan but it works really well with the pacing

  • @blue-dragon
    @blue-dragon 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I would 100% do Bloodmoon and maybe take a peak at the "Offical" addons they released. Tribunal was very meh for me as well.

  • @mrflerd-mn1pu
    @mrflerd-mn1pu 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Tribunal dlc imo is better for the story because I really like the lore surrounding the Tribunal but Bloodmoon is the more fun dlc

    • @mrflerd-mn1pu
      @mrflerd-mn1pu 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      P..S. Vivec does talk about you killing the mad Amalexia. He basically says that he knew that would happen after the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed and that the Dunmer will go back to worshiping the Good Daedra and he leaves Morrowind.

    • @LostHorizons0
      @LostHorizons0 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah tribunal was much more interesting lore wise blood moon changed settings and was a nice break but I still prefer tribunal due to the story

  • @antonsidorov7531
    @antonsidorov7531 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bloodmoon, the next DLC, is definitely a much better experience. It is set on Solstheim, the same place you go in Skyrim's Dargonborn DLC.
    It also gives you an opportunity to turn into a werewolf. Imagine being a lizard doggo. wouldn't that be cool?

  • @ronnychristenjoyer6778
    @ronnychristenjoyer6778 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The lore, atmsophere and sense of freedom and replayability especially with mods is where the game shines for me. The combat system is something you get used to and it's not a big deal after the inital couple of levels once your stats are better. As to the main quests and dlcs, I never bothered to much with that, I prefer to make my own adventures. But it's interesting to see others go through that aspect of the game and see what they think.

  • @gunstarheroine5173
    @gunstarheroine5173 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think the insane excitement my little Daggerfall heart had in seeing Helseth and Barenziah again blinded me to the fact that Tribunal was really... not great. I think you gave a really solid assessment of the DLC, the end is really the only interesting part. It was kind of cool seeing them try to realise Old Mournhold as it was described the The Real Barenziah, though. I wish they'd put in a little easter egg about the Staff of Chaos.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haven't played Daggerfall yet, although it's been highly suggested :)

    • @gunstarheroine5173
      @gunstarheroine5173 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FrostbreakYT Take those suggestions with a grain of salt lol, I'm not so rose-tinted I don't know that my love for Daggerfall is heavily steeped in nostalgia. But if you do give it a try, I'll be here to watch!

  • @terminalred9232
    @terminalred9232 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I was a kid I played the game out of order and finished Tribunal before the main quest. No guides and an under level character didn’t make for a fun time but I did it and it’s still my proudest elderscrolls achievement. I couldn’t do something like that today, I’d lose my mind.

  • @mutkatus
    @mutkatus 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Do Bloodmoon. You're not going to be disappointed. Tribunal (from the lens of teenage me) was definitely the inferior DLC / story in all of Morrowind. The theme was cool, though.

  • @elchavoguero
    @elchavoguero 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You'll enjoy Bloodmoon, coming from Skyrim. It's set on Solstheim, so you'll get to see some familiar places in a new light

  • @ReshawnFacey-h1l
    @ReshawnFacey-h1l 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I understand this is against the spirit of the review, but I feel like your experience could’ve been improved by following a guide. I realize that’s not the goal but I genuinely feel with some older games unfortunately that should be the intended first time experience. However, you hopefully go onto tri blood moon because it is commonly regarded as the best expansion tomorrow whereas I believe this one is the least favored.😅

  • @Eamil
    @Eamil 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I gotta say this about the clockwork city design - even playing this in 2004 as a teenager, it fell flat for me. It wasn't what it was hyped up to be. I get the sense that because they couldn't actually DO curved lines (low poly count) and gleaming brass (no material textures) they decided to just cram it with spinning gears and intricately-detailed textures, but the textures are still that rust-brown shade that makes everything look dingy and old, which makes sense for dwemer ruins but not so much for Sotha Sil's city which isn't supposed to have been neglected for so long.

  • @nakenmil
    @nakenmil 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you're basically correct in your assesment. One very minor thing for me, at least, is that I think of the Clockwork City less as ordinary "steampunk", and more as "weird technomagic reality-altering weirdness", which sorta explains the tons of circuit-like patterns on the walls. The chunkiness? Eh, maybe not so much.

  • @xappy9977
    @xappy9977 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember Bloodmoon as a proper DLC, this is pretty much just some endgame fights for people that have done everything else. I think the museum also points to that.

  • @lordedmundblackadder9321
    @lordedmundblackadder9321 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I never even finished Tribunal, and I didn’t even play Bloodmoon. I just made a new character and installed Tamriel Rebuilt. It’s the size of several DLCs, the quests are well-written, the world design is beautiful.

  • @Vance731
    @Vance731 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Around 15-18 minutes into the video, I realized a notion: “I wonder if they made so much ‘content’ related to the sewers because I’m oblivion, the sewers were somewhat handled ‘well’ and had some usage in that game’s main story.”

  • @nini-1708
    @nini-1708 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Try Tamriel Rebuilt, and Skyrim: Home of the Nords. Excellent expansion mods for Morrowind, especially if you're wanting more open land to explore. Another sister project, Province Cyrodiil, is about to drop a major expansion aswell.

  • @theoeras2103
    @theoeras2103 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The percentage in the sewers bit had me cracking up. Great video dude

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haha thanks xD

  • @lamedrawings
    @lamedrawings 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tribunal genuinely pisses me off lol, so my first time playing this dlc, I kept getting stuck in Almalexia's temple because guards kept blocking the hallway, even when I waited they still wont budge, and eventually I just decided to kill that guard, and now its a tradition that if I ever enter the cursed city ever again, I start by killing guards that patrol the narrow hallways. And then during the quest where u have to bring a priest down there to cleanse the tomb, he got stuck in a rock and I had to restart, but because I overwritten my save files, I had to restart the DLC from the start again. I mentioned this already but this DLC is genuinely the Anti-Morrowind, where Morrowind is big, expansive, and gives you the freedom to explore, then Tribunal is narrow, cramped, repetitive, and restrictive.
    On a side note, Im glad you like the magic system, its what keeps me gmcoming back to Morrowind as a mage. Its something I'm GREATLY disappointed in when it came to Oblivion and Skyrim. Being a mage in Morrowind makes you feel like a god. Flying around, nuking everything from a far, the moment I could fly, I would never touch the ground ever again. In Oblivion it was alright, uncan still be powerful but it just doesn't feel right, but man, did Skyrim destroyed the magic system, being a mage feels good but god do you feel like a filthy commoner.

  • @ingokolb6871
    @ingokolb6871 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    1:13 Bro did you skill up by practise? Make Potions, kill ordinators, sell that stuff and go to the trainer, youre not limited to 5 skillpoints per lvl like in the other titles. and turn the fog back on :(

  • @jkid2050jh
    @jkid2050jh 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bloodmoon has a great story, characters, cutscenes, and voice acting
    You're playing it! 😂

  • @steemonkey2000
    @steemonkey2000 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I remember from Tribunal is fighting Almalexia at the end with a melee build and getting absolutely fucking wiped by her over and over

  • @kaingagame4351
    @kaingagame4351 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember being disappointed with Tribunal when I got it back in the day too. Played it once and never again.

  • @apfelfreund6859
    @apfelfreund6859 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Let's do the Vivec City sewers - but worse!"
    When sewers where peak game design ... (jk)

  • @Rolandeld1999
    @Rolandeld1999 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The other dlc is definitely better atmosphere. Really gives the pioneer mining company vibe. Tribunal had a lot more promise than it delivered

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Interesting, thanks for the info. Maybe I'll take a break and come back to bloodmoon one day then

  • @ttc3453
    @ttc3453 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was 12 when this game came out. I liked and subscribed I'm glad to see someone a bit younger can still appreciate the older games

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Tamriel Rebuilt is absolutely FANTASTIC. also maybe try the mod "skyrim home of the nords"
    there's also an entire fan GAME on the same version of gamebryo, called Anthirin or something? it's a prequel to Enderal. i'm certain you heard of it.

  • @dreamcream443
    @dreamcream443 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Tamriel Rebuilt rules!!

  • @youssefblehcen4157
    @youssefblehcen4157 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Tamriel rebuilt is very very much peak ES in every thing

  • @signa8
    @signa8 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive considered Morrowind my favorite game since 2002, and Tribunal is the only main quest content I've seen to the end. That said, you're 100% right about it all being fetch quests. The redeeming parts though is that many of the enemies are actually challenging, where I found it absurdly easy to overlevel in base Morrowind. It was nice having a challenge, as well as that artifact museum, as well as a vendor that had enough cash to sell valuable things to. Then there also was the addition of adamantine armor, which gave a top tier material to accompany glass and daedric. All in all, I would still rate it a 4 or a 5, but still lower than the rest of the game.

  • @colinb8623
    @colinb8623 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I felt the same way when I first played Tribunal. I had to take like a month break. But when I finally played Bloodmoon, it made me love Morrowind again. Now I playthrough it at least twice a year.

  • @lol0999
    @lol0999 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had a similar experience, I tried getting into Morrowind many times. But finally made a good run and finished the main story with some sidequests along the way, really enjoyed it. Got to Tribunal, played for an hour or two and I just deflated and got bored, haven't played since.

  • @modeman4100
    @modeman4100 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The writer and developer who created the world and setting and lore of Morrowind (Michael Kirkbride) left shortly after the completion of the base game which is why there is such a sudden drop in quality. Though he doesn't work for Bethesda anymore his contributions still forms the basis of elder scrolls lore even up to Skyrim which is based off of his writings: "from the many headed Talos" (heimskrs speech in game) and "the seven fights of the Aldudagga"(Alduin the world eater)

    • @HagridWithBeard
      @HagridWithBeard 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I think it's wrong to blame every bad decision Beth made on Kirkbride leaving. It's way to simple. The biggest problem with Tribunal is that they rushed it and had to develop it in 5 months.

    • @NicBrandon
      @NicBrandon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Kirkbride was never a level or quest designer though, which is where the DLC struggles most. The basis for the story, look, and most of the worldbuilding for the base game came from him (and Kuhlmann), but the only development work he actually did for the game was writing in-game books.

  • @nathan1507
    @nathan1507 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember booting up Morrowind for the fist time since 2010 last year. My last savegame was inside the sewers. Loaded it and was instantly reminded why I quit the last time.

  • @Ingeb91
    @Ingeb91 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tribunal is like closure on the Tribunal age of Morrowind, along with a gameplay challenge for high level characters. Everything in Mournhold hits like a truck, so it's quite a lot harder than most content in vanilla Morrowind. Almalexia is really designed to whip your ass, and well, go to Bloodmoon, you'll get a few more high level enemies to fight. I enjoy them both, but I 100% understand the frustration and monotony of Tribunal, as the mob diversity is basically 0. That part is dramatically improved in Bloodmoon.

  • @HagridWithBeard
    @HagridWithBeard 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nah man, been playing the game for 20 years, you're right. Tribunal is shit with some good moments sprinkled in. I think Bloodmoon wins because of the open landscape and a little more player agency. Story is still not the greatest and weirdly disconnected, but Solstheim as a Location is better implemented than Mournhold.
    With mods Tribunal is okay and Bloodmoon is good in my opinion though. Immersive Mournhold and Tomb of the Snow Prince come to mind

  • @BingtheLizard
    @BingtheLizard 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I liked Bloodmoon more than Tribunal myself. If you do play Bloodmoon, go a bit easier on the pure frost magic build. Being a snow-bound heavily Nord-focused region, frost may not be the best offensive choice.

  • @Arkantos117
    @Arkantos117 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The only positive thing I remember about Tribunal is some cool hidden gear.

  • @Beowulf-sn8ir
    @Beowulf-sn8ir 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tribunal sucks and I will happily overwrite it with the TR version when it comes out in 30 years. Bloodmoon is a lot better.

  • @archie8767
    @archie8767 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is just asking for people to respond that Bloodmoon is a masterpiece and that Tribunal is repetitive and annoying! 😂

    • @LostHorizons0
      @LostHorizons0 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yep that’s pretty much every other comment it’s all psychological stuff. If he said tribunal was a masterpiece it would be the other way around people are lemmings. I didn’t mind tribunal I found the quests / story more interesting than blood moon but I found blood moons location / setting better. One thing I hated the most of the entire game was finding those god damn standing stones I HATED that part of the quest

  • @lisandra5330
    @lisandra5330 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you missed one of the best things about Tribunal by saying no to Helseth. When you agree to help them both, you are going back and forth between the two of them at a dizzying pace and you don't know who to believe or trust. The buildup of suspense is amazing, and then when Almalexia pops up as the killer of Sotha Sil... what a plot twist. I also think you might have missed a couple of more interesting quests, the one where you're tasked to prevent the assassination of Berenziah comes to mind. I actually liked the rest of Tribunal better the second time I played it, though I'm not sure why. I enjoyed the sewers instead of hating them, explored little nooks and crannies, stuff like that. It's also not fair to compare Tribunal to Mournhold and Clockwork City in ESO, which was made a decade after Morrowind and is based on lore from the earlier devs. I hope you will play Bloodmoon, I think you will like it better.

  • @needparalegal
    @needparalegal 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Morrowind is where I got my CRACK ADDICTION to video games! I have never completed Tribunal, I will have to do it.

  • @bloodgroundgaming7871
    @bloodgroundgaming7871 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bloodmoon is the best DLC for Morrowwind. Hell I think it's one of the best TES DLC's period. Not gonna lie I remember starting Tribunal back in the day and I don't think I ever finished it.

  • @lanaperhar3670
    @lanaperhar3670 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Played Bloodmoon 20 years ago and i don't remember ANYTHING about the story - BUT I had a ton of fun and that DLC was amazing and I remember that still to this day

  • @philomathist6899
    @philomathist6899 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Blood moon is significantly better. There is a reason Skyrim set their DLC there because it really feels like more of the main game.

  • @08andylee
    @08andylee 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Do some Tamriel Rebuilt, you will be a happier person.

  • @the_leathermushroom
    @the_leathermushroom 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They were bad 20 years ago. Tribunal was fetch quest simulator but at least you actually learnt more about the figures of the Tribunal and their reason for being and cements the fact they are ALL assholes (at least base game Hortator quests gave decent lore dumps) and while Bloodmoon had some cool ideas, it kinda flubs it big time. That said, if you do another Bloodmoon playthrough use Tomb of the Snow Prince. It's a lovely mod that really gives you the actual vision for Bloodmoon. I got mega excited back in the day because "oooh werewolves".

  • @tioluko
    @tioluko 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't worry, Tribunal was the weird exception. Bloodmoon is much better imo, its an actual new world map area instead of just a godamn city and its godamn sewer.

  • @aeviv
    @aeviv 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive come back to Morrowind probably once every other year since 2002. In that time, I think Ive done Tribunal once, maybe twice. Ive come back for Bloodmoon alone multiple times. I think especially if you've played Skyrim before coming to Morrowind, Bloodmoon is particularly cool as a proto-Skyrim.

  • @TESLogan
    @TESLogan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It took me years to figure this out since i mostly played Melee Warriors. But projectiles (spells, arrows, bolts, and thrown weapons) can intercept spells cast at you if you hit them midair

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah I had a couple of those "harry potter" moments with mages. That was fun!

  • @doggeridoo
    @doggeridoo 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bloodmoon is waay better and definitely a different experience. It's a whole new open island, you get to build up a settlement, you get to become a werewolf, you get to collect ice to make new armour, it's great.

  • @hazelhazelton1346
    @hazelhazelton1346 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're not wrong. Tribunal was never any good. The bugs prevented me from actually finishing it twenty years ago, so I never even saw the Clockwork City, and the only reason I ever visited Mournhold on subsequent play throughs was to get the fortify skill spell. Oh, and the high ordinator armour set.
    Bloodmoon is well worth it, though. I hope you play it. :)

  • @verenov77
    @verenov77 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @Frostbreak, I sure hope you choose to continue. I've never completely finished Morrowind, but I absolutely love seeing you play through both the good and the bad. I have to admit that seeing you "suffer" makes me want to restart the game again, haha.
    Great video as always! Thank you!

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm glad my suffering was entertaining xD thanks for watching!

  • @ronintel2
    @ronintel2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm an old player that got to play them when they were released. And tbh, I don't really even remember doing the tribunal content at all but bloodmoon I really do remember fondly

  • @Erw-In
    @Erw-In 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You gotta do Solstheim! You have to get the Daedric Pauldron from the top of the waterfall in the cave! It's the only way to get a full Daedric set in Morrowind without slaying NPC's

  • @dziku2222
    @dziku2222 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Your feelings were as valid now as they were those 19 years ago while playing dlc. Just go and do Bloodmoon, or better yet, play mod Tamriel Rebuild adding 4 times more content than vanilla.

  • @iScAre1
    @iScAre1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Still awesome of you to tough out this Sewer/10 dlc regardless, it's always a slog to get through. Also the appraisal of RPGs where your actions directly influence the story at the players discretion- had me realizing that you'd *really* enjoy Baldur's Gate 3 if you haven't considered it already. Another out of comfort zone game that did that same 'Morrowind when it hits' moment imo

  • @Nagtloper431
    @Nagtloper431 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tribunal was indeed way too much into sewer delving. May have something to do with the fact that it‘s all interior cells, even the city. But at least it gave us the improved journal.
    Bloodmoon is much better as other posters already pointed out. It‘s a real worldspace extension instead of what was essentially a large, populated dungeon in Tribunal.

  • @Arkaedas
    @Arkaedas 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Don’t blame you I also couldn’t finish the morrowind dlc the best part of the game is the main story and Vvardenfell, contrary to Oblivion where the dlc content is amazing

    • @NerevarineKing
      @NerevarineKing 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bloodmoon is as good as a lot of the base game content

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don't think I've ever played any Oblivion DLC. Last time I played the base-game I was 8. Perhaps that would make an interesting video :)

    • @Slicevicious
      @Slicevicious 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@FrostbreakYT I think Shivering Isles is the best Bethesda bonus content we've ever gotten, period. It really is an uncharacteristically wonderful gem of a DLC, and I can honestly say the writing throughout is a treat.

    • @radagonsoreseal3457
      @radagonsoreseal3457 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FrostbreakYT Shivering Isle is 100% the best Bethesda DLC ever made it's a disservice to not have playing it honestly haha you definitely should at some point.

    • @Tuxfanturnip
      @Tuxfanturnip 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NerevarineKing it's better than tribunal, but still pretty lackluster in a lot of ways compared to the base game.

  • @Steve-mx9rr
    @Steve-mx9rr 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    yes pls play Tamriel Rebuilt after the Bloodmoon DLC

  • @ryanfentonii2415
    @ryanfentonii2415 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bloodmoon is soooo much better! It's also a fun contrast to seeing the same island again in Skyrim

  • @Myggan
    @Myggan 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Only reason to ever experience the Tribunal dlc is to stop the annoying assassin's from showing up.
    Usually don't have it activated.

  • @Slicevicious
    @Slicevicious 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tribunal is HARD. It's labyrinthine, tedious, confusing and claustrophobic.
    Please don't let it ruin Bloodmoon for you. It's such an incredible addition and a breath of fresh air after all the sewer stank.

  • @PaleGhost69
    @PaleGhost69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You're going to hate this... You can cast your training spells while exploring. You don't have to sit in one spot the whole time.

    • @FrostbreakYT
      @FrostbreakYT  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah I know, I just work from home somedays, so I had MW open on my 2nd monitor farming the skills with an autoclicker!

    • @PaleGhost69
      @PaleGhost69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @FrostbreakYT Oh, that's much better than what most people do when I see that. They actively sat there, spamming it for hours!

  • @asnail9653
    @asnail9653 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    my man NEEEEEEDS to install Tamriel Rebuilt!! though unofficial, it's super super super high quality and i would love to see your comparisons to ESO!

  • @retropojat
    @retropojat 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Take my word for it. Bloodmoon is awesome and much better with great quests and fantastic landscapes. The atmosphere is very arctic circle. I, as a finn, felt right at home. We have less draugrs and wolves. Gear up, you can do it!
    it beats tribunal 5-0

  • @cattt3363
    @cattt3363 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wait till you try out Bloodmoon DLC, it makes you wana cry of how hard it is.

  • @skourch.
    @skourch. 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mournhold. City of Light. City of Magic.

  • @JustinSane626
    @JustinSane626 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The solsthiem dlc was better for sure but I though the mournhold dlc was good though

  • @jlaw131985
    @jlaw131985 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I heard DLC, and I kinda knew where it was going. I like some of the things they did in Tribunal, but it wasn't great. And as much as other people seem to like Bloodmoon, it just didn't feel quite the same as the base game. I will recommend the mod Tamriel Rebuilt though...that's a really good mod, and probably a few videos worth of content lol.

  • @swaggypepper
    @swaggypepper 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am completely into Morrowind nostalgia 😅
    If you know how it works, you can rush through the fetch quests (boots of blinding speed - yay!) and have some fun speaking to all these well written NPCs and the great lore behind the two big powers of the city. Also enemies are quite challenging even if you are experienced (damn Gaenor and Salas Volar have killed me so many times).
    Almalexia is one of my favourite villains at all. Also the side quests are much stronger than in base game Morrowind for me.
    Does it deserve a better score than base game MW? Depends on you - I am used to the repetitive dungeons of this over 20 year old game and play the main story once a year before christmas. So nostalgia seems to be very helpful if you want to enjoy outdated games.
    But your video was great - I really like people giving Morrowind a chance! :)
    Keep on the great work.

  • @SkibidiSoldier-b9j
    @SkibidiSoldier-b9j 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tribunal is so horrifically balanced that they made a crude club made by goblins from bone and whatever scraps might be in the sewers one of the strongest blunt weapons in the game.
    All logical sense was thrown out the window when it came to balancing in favour of "difficulty".

  • @dormichigan6447
    @dormichigan6447 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really try my best to not take for granted my ultra modded install of morrowind, because there's a way to fix everything. But tribunal is almost not even worth fixing with mods although it's fun to do so. Bloodmoon is 100% better, though its also a little bit contrived. Other people have suggested Tamriel Rebuilt, and I completely agree. It's an extension of vanilla but with even more polish. Eventually the project will restructure tribunal so the environments will be better, even if the story stays the same. Lol sorry for the eall of text