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I agree. The video is supposed to be telling you which EV charges are best for you, but then he fails to reveal which one has the fan. So basically not telling you which ones is the one to avoid. Kind of pointless video reallyand as a new EV Owner, I am no more knowledgeable after this video time to find another
Information in no particular order, more like a daily soap opera, the folks do have sense of humour, wife likes small things and rear entry is favourite etc…
The convenience of EV home charging compared with having to visit petrol stations cannot be over-stated and was the final selling point for my decision to buy a small BEV last December.
Some of the chargers look like this, some looks like that. Some are tethered and some aren't. Some are dumb, some use Apps, some are intelligent. Oh, and that one is a bit like that one except it's different. What a mish-mash. I got to 5 minutes and gave up.
For the wallbox, Bluetooth connection to the app is enough to retrieve session details and upload automatically into the cloud through the phone (once phone establish internet connection). Really handy on our installation in the underground parkade. It also allows multiple user access, and can track individual user session.
What are the easiest options to get around a door frame. I have my outside meter to the right of my side door, but I need the charger on the left. 8 inch gravel channel between wall and driveway which does go very deep. Door has ground level sill and the cable could go under that???
With the rapidly increasing electricity fees, you can see the downsides of a dynamic tariff: "your charges can go up as well as down". In-built SIM card? 3g? 4g? 5g? Beware of technological obsolescence. The SIM card will need to have 4g at least. What does it use Comms for? Can it charge when there's no Comms? (Internet/mobile network connection down) (I have decades of experience of pulling apart good ideas) iPhone user? (Apple don't care if a change to their technology renders your EV charger useless) I could go on.
If you like it or not ALL electric will be dynamic and if you choice not be on a dynamic deal they will punish you with a massively high rate for all your electric. This is what is happening already as i explained in the video at the time i could get a non dynamic deal for 16p all day instead I went for a dynamic deal giving me 14p peak and 5p offpeak. Now this rate is 24p PEAK and 5p OFF Peak however even with that higher peak I'd average 14.5p which is far below the latest FIXED or variable price cap. The grid needs to be balanced better demanding on generation and green generation can vary more having dynamic deals means users will adjust to balance. Regarding SIM card, yes all these companies know 3g is going away the ones listed use 4g or a dongle that can be changed for newer tech. However even at 4g I'd expect time its phased out the unit would of likely lived it life out. Without internet they all work effectively DUMB meaning just charge however some work smart even with no internet with timing delays built into the charger firmware.
@Nicolas what is the best EV charger, think I may change my mind on the EV charger, I need one that is solar compatible and I want to be able to detach the lead so not tethered. I appreciate your insight.
@NicolasRaimo what is the best EV charger, think I may change my mind on the EV charger, I need one that is solar compatible and I want to be able to detach the lead so not tethered. I appreciate your insight on the latest charger
The Hypervolt is the one with the fan in it. Ive read that the only reason it has a fan in it is because they've started selling it in UAE and Australia so its meant to be for thermal management at really high temps?
Came for recommendations and actual guidance.. But the whole video just states things I should be considering. What is your recommendation based on your experience. That's the video we all want to see! Im sure you guys have the answers. Hope you guys make some more videos.
Video this week kinda explains how it’s hard to recommend 1 product as everyone has different needs but I do have a series coming soon listing best for each given category
Hi Nick. Excellent videos. Recently discovered your channel. Really in depth. Love it. So many factors to consider. I guess the main factor for me which you didn't touch on much is reliability and customer service. This is critical to me, being self employed. I'm not looking for a charger with all the bells and whistles. I want one that has a solid app which has had a lot of development, few issues with the chargers themselves, and decent customer support when things do go down. Who do you recommend?
Its hard for me to judge or say to be honest Roger, as I don't really use ANY of them long term or repeat test customer service. The build quality on indra is very good and they have a low failure rate but it doesn't play nicely with intelligent but does work on ovo anytime. Zappi now works on intelligent but the one at work I notice server goes down time to time but I wouldn't know if other firms had same issues more or less as I don't use there chargers. I have an ohme pro as my every day charger there support I used is ticket based on app but to be honest I never use it as I got the CEO's number and the CTO number and never had issues with them. Ill be honest everyones upped there quality game this year I'd personally only go for a charger thats on intelligent octopus
I was hoping for some more concrete recommendations for various requirements but sadly that was denied me. I've already purchased a Zappi 2 so I was curious as to whether I could have have made a better choice but the die has already been cast and I'll remain ignorant for a while longer.
This is worst case of British Writing and video production I've ever seen! 😬 I watch so many U.K. TH-camrs, but DANG these guys really craped out on this one! The guys at Asheville, Marcus House, B1M, Techmoan, and Dr. John Campbell know how to produce a great video! Why didn't ya stich all of the reviews together just for this video!?
@@VRtechman you didn’t like this video many others did, it depends what you want out of it the reviews and information stitched be over 2 hours this is a highlight of what you should look for within the reviews why showing all the devices for a visual side by side
Great Video, learnt allot about the types of charging. I've got an old pod point dumb charger installed at my work (2018) but looking at getting one at home things have changed allot, especially as they now have to be smart?
The boxes are not the actual charger merely part of a dedicated supply circuit rather like your cooker or shower. The actual charger is part of the EV known as the On Board Charger. This will have a set max power consumption capacity so what the box will deliver is academic.
What do you guys think of the EO Mini Pro V2? Is it good? I have heard people installing just a 32A Commando socket to charge a Tesla? Anything wrong with doing just this? Thank you for the amazing content and great video! Thanks
@@NicolasRaimo I have pretty much seen all videos from yourself on those pics but I'll be honest, I wasn't able to find information specifically on a 32A commando socket and the pro, cons, types of protection needed, etc. I have bee quoted by an electrician to install a double pole RCBO at source and a 32A commando socket to charge the Tesla as an alternative to a Type 2 charger. From a safety perspective, would that work or is that not okay. Really appreciate your content and help as always! Thank you :)
@@NicolasRaimo Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply, ok, so how would you draw that as a line drawing? Would it be a simple line drawing of a plan view of the property ( 4 walls and the roof) and the location of the cut off marked? Thanks again.
@@markc9349 I can personally reccomend heatable, ignore the fact I have a referral code for a minute. The job they did on mine was TOP NOTCH, a year later after 40 members of my audience used them and I had overwhelming good feedback about them I decided to resign for another year have them back on my roof for more panels and again prefect job, My Neigbour used them and I checked his job after they left and then his dad whos a roofer checked it and again top notch. They pride them selfs on Premium panels, Premium Rails, Premium products and battery systems. They have a back office team for support so if you have issues with the system you have someone to ring all the time and they might spot issues before you know they exist. Local installers sometimes can wash there hands of you once paid, Some local installers however are top notch
I have been through two tethered cables.. they get worn at the box and the lead eventually wares down. Untethered gives you a choice.. you can always buy a lead to keep plugged in rather than always using the one in the car. I have a 10 metre lead at home but I have the choice to take that with me if I think I might want to charge where the charger has been iced. On the whole this video only covers the point that there are different chargers.. I would have like to have known about smart chargers more and which ones did that.
Great video but can you comment regarding the pricing. As mentioned the chargers are ordered cheapest to expensive. I cant find a ZAPPI anywhere which is cheaper than the Hypervolt. I’m guessing the prices has changed since.
Currently got a dumb charger, GivEnergy AC connected battery and SolarEdge solar system. I want to divert excess solar to the car, but also don't want it to drain the GivEnergy battery if I top up at other times. Mostly charge off peak on Octopus Go - can any chargers here do that, or is my only option to wait for GivEnergy's EV charger coming Q1 23?
@@sukhjotesingh9613 ok no worries just rare to get 3phase for home, also I don’t think any domestic chargers qualify for grant if 3phase as it’s a separate registration however zappi likely one I’d sim you at
Jeez, is there just a plug in plug out charger that i can install in my garage and run the cable under the door. I can monitor the % via the cars app ( renault Zoe 50kw 2021) what do you recommend for some who's not employed by NASA and not interested even in timers I just wanna charge my car when i plug it in! anything simple please and don't say granny cable I mean 7kw
I've seen it in flesh as they invited me to PR launch event, Indra typically build solid units I can't comment further than that thou as haven't had the unit on test for review but its IP rating is one the best on market.
I started emailing companies over 12 months ago to send me their charge point for review, I emailed 95% of all the companies that sold a charge point and others then contacted me as the reviews went out. I've never had any reply from podpoint, any company who sent me a unit for review is displayed behind me, and will be reviewed by me. Anyone who didn't send me a charge point can't be shown as I can't be expected to purchase every single charge point for sale.
Thanks for uploading gents. My provider is EON & they can install an app based charger for £950. Do you know if they are any good? Comes with 6 yrs warranty + 365 days a year customer care.
Would have been great if you lot could've just told us and named the chargers. You just kept talking about generic things to consider, but never really told which charger is what.
they can be located in your garage.... if you park your car outside the garage thou surely makes more sense to have it where car is parked... but you can fit it where you want
Having the main fuse replaced in your property expensive? It's free! You just call up the local supplier and demand they come and fix it ASAP because you don't have electricity at home and you need it. They will be there in no time and replacement is free.
Seeing it’s a US channel and these are mainly UK market chargers highly unlikely. Also these are advanced electronics so unsure what you’d expect? My reviews have a full tear down
Since this video I've tested and reviewed about another 5 products all on the website evnick.com/charge is near impossible to review everything but everything I'm sent I try get round to.
Ignore the one that comes from the top we tried to hide it from camera view but that would go straight into your consumer unit, they do a version with a type 2 end like you see which can make OLD EV chargers intelligent
Issue is prices are subject to lots of variables Grants (Uk ends March) Area Length of connection Complex of job The date of quote and videos age If you go to evnick.com/charge an update price can be given
I like the features and convince of the apps , but some of these chargers are new companies that maybe bankrupt next year so the back end stops leaving you with a dumb charger for next ten years .
I've got a new board and a 100amp main fuse. Could I just use an outside plug socket to charge an ev and use the car's own timer etc. If so I'm wondering what is the highest power rating for an outside socket? I hope this is comprehensible, I've probably messed the terminology with my 'ME' mashed potato for brains! Edit: oh and I noticed no Andersen charger there. Is that because they removed the pen-fault protection or did I miss it? Ah, its OK just seen your answer to my question in the comments, 32amp commando, that's what I was driving at. Off to watch the video link you gave by way of explanation now, cheers. 👍
Hi I've got solar panels so what charger is best for me it ideally needs to start charging at low wattage, because if its a bit cloudy and I'm harvesting 900 watts but the charger only starts charging at 1000watts it's pointless because that's probably 70% of the UK weather, thanks in advance.
The issue isn’t the charger it’s your car… most EVs have a minimum charge limit of 6a some even 8amps you can select the charger however to use some solar and grid at same time
"All of the chargers on sale I'm the UK " literally loads missing and some of the leading brands. Including some leading brands at the best prices.. what a misleading lie of a video.
@@davidf5019 am reviewing them all sent to me… some companies chosen to ignore me or rejected to be reviewed I’ve been running these reviews for 12 months few reasons not to be sent, some of the “cheaper” brands don’t have any real smart ability and I suspect that’s why they ignored emails to be reviewed
@@NicolasRaimo so if they don't sent YOU a charger to review then they don't exist on sale. My gripe isn't with what you review it is with saying this is ALL chargers on sale in the UK when it isn't even close. There are brands missing which are at the forefront of the industry for price as well as features and smart ability. As you are knowledgeable about this sector I'm sure you could mention those brands if not review and at least give viewers a true picture
@@davidf5019 I can’t be expected to purchase all these chargers, just like you don’t expect car reviewers to buy every car. Market budget of 1 charger to them at cost is pennies compared to what they spend in ad words and other forms of marketing. 1 said company offered me bribe so to speak to review the product and they wanted control over the review… in other words a paid placement. This didn’t sit well with me so I declined unless it was made clear it’s an advert. I do have more companies chargers shown than on that wall which is why we didn’t drill into any of them chargers rather pointing towards the growing playlist. However I won’t be using my own funds to purchase any of these chargers and just because a company might have a market share doesn’t mean there charger is actually any good.
I can't believe the legislation about the chargers having to be smart. All I want is a dumb, reliable 7kw charger to plug in and charge my car. I don't want to rely on an app that will be updated and break features, or remove features, or be delisted from the app store in X number of years meaning it's useless when you get a new phone, or worse useless once the company decides to brick your device because it's not new enough. I don't understand the reasoning behind not being able to get a charger that does just that, charges my car without all the app faff.
There's a couple of reasons and also some info you have wrong about smart chargers. So first lets separate smart from dumb. PEN fault, RCD, DC leakage are safety features that are not part of the smart requirements there features that MOST installs have included into the charger as wiring regs would require them to be fitted with a charger so makes sense for them to be part of the charger. Smart was added for the national grid and its to stop us needing to spend billions on national infrastructure and millions on local cables instead we have enough power on the gird to support all evs we just need to juggle them around a little smart allows this, it means that if someone with no care of smart deals just plugs in a time delay wil randomise that charge start and by default block 4-7pm unless manually overwritten. Regarding going bust there 2 points to this. Point 1 this control data of your charger is worth MILLIONS so likelihood your be sold to someone else to run that app and data long term anyway. Point 2 if they couldn't find a buyer the chargers are designed within the smart regs that they will Go dumb mode automatically
I’m soon to going electric and being an electrician I see all these EV chargers as overpriced 32A comando sockets. Standard 32A comando socket around £30-£40 These smart EV chargers £400-£1000. The smart features are now starting to come built in the car. As for off peak changing, you try getting a good off peak tariff at the moment as we are all be had over with them pretending to fix rates for our benefit, with falling prices of crude oil they have basically removed all the healthy competition from the market
The features they have built in are not built into car, for example lots of them are electrical safety based like DC leakage protection, rcd protection and the communication protocols for the EV charger even a 13a EV charger costs £250 that’s without the same relays as one of these of course as it’s much lower amps. Regarding the smart stuff that cars have built in like time delays your likely find them to date out as doing it via charger unlocks better EV deals Check evnick.com/energy for a list of EV deals best one currently is 10p offpeak
@@NicolasRaimo thank you for the info I should have been a little more clear with reference to smart chargers, yes you need the correct RCD and O-PEN protection to comply with the current regulations, there are a few chargers out there that offer just this at a much more economical price than a fully smart EV charger that is app based or even integrated with your solar panel system. Personally I would go for a lesser model with just the required safety requirements with all the smart connectivity. I have a 4kw solar panel system on a south facing roof with a 4.8kwh battery, I don’t think paying for solar Integration is worth the added cost and it’s just more technology that can fail within the unit, yes in the summer on the few good days I can produce 20 to 30kwh of which is never gonna charge my car when it’s with you at work most of the time Monday to Friday during the day and in the winter forget about it as my 4kw solar system most days struggles to charge it’s own 4.8kwh battery let alone a 50-70kwh car battery. Also the I’m getting a Tesla that you can set within the car what time to charge to and from and at what rate. I’m sure this feature will be available in most EV car eventually if not already, so no need for a fancy smart charger for that either. The 10p per kWh sounds great and I just had a look at the info within the links you provided (thank you will definitely use your referral if a do switch). But what’s the day rate for these, I did try to find it but it’s not to easy which I found not surprising as most energy supplies are great at given you a baffling sales pitch, but engineers like us just wanna see the brass tax in the on peak rate and the daily charge, most of the suppliers out there focus to much on a monthly direct debit cost which I hate as it like trying to buy a car and all the salesman keeps going on about is monthly payments with giving you the true cost. I did look at a few EV tariffs last week, can’t remember who it was but one was offering a good night charging rate for just a few hours but their day rate was in excess of 70p kWh. I’m currently not tied in but paying a flat rate 33p/kWh, with a little maths applied unless I’m gonna be charging 2 EV on super chargers for the small window they give you the reduced rate it’s not worth paying that premium day rate. Any more info with who’s offering more reasonable day rates for their EV tariffs would be greatly appreciated
@@dukethenuke8426 10p rate on intelligent gives fixed 6 hours from 12:30 till 6:30 for your general household use… if your cars plugged in it could charge between these hours or more hours or different hours and your still get the 10p rate for them hours plus the house will also! The peak rate is about 40p depending on your local network but of course the average rate is massively reduced! You could even charge your battery up on the offpeak hours! Regarding solar chargers think of it this way your not always gonna be flat and you have a smaller array than others my friend who’s a school teacher is running his entire Tesla model 3 on his solar panels!
@@NicolasRaimo thanks I really appreciate the info 40p/kWh compared to my 33p/kWh @ an average of 2150/kWh per annum for us would be an increase of about £150 per annum taken @ 100% peak use which obviously not the case so probably at conservative calculation the actual increase would be about £130. Charging the car @ 12p saying around a 70kwh charge on average conditions would give use around 340 miles for £8.40 compared to 33p which would cost £23.10 for a 70Kwh @ 1 charge a week that would be saving around £750 per annum. But we probably do less mileage than that but even if our mileage was half that then it’s still a saving and would pay more dividends once the kid start to drive if they are electric too as one charger with planned use could easy be used in a family household of 2/3 cars, if you need to charge every night then you’re doing some serious mileage and would most likely need to chargers on your travels
Contacted them to send me a unit 12 months ago under the same terms of every charge point shown behind us for this video, Didn't want to take part under the same terms wanted special terms just for them which I wasn't willing to flex for 1 company over the other 9, Tried them one last time 2 weeks before filming this video never got a reply to that contact.
@@NicolasRaimo Really? That's a shame! Not sure why Andersen act this way - they cut the installer discount a while back however, are now reintroducing it (probably after a dip in sales) Great upload by the way very informative 👍 How as an installer do I become registered through the link you provided? Thanks
So the grant is going after March next year then hmmm cheers UK government, so when I get an ev next year It'll have to be the cheapest charger. I can see a lot of people just using the granny cable instead of getting a charging point because the government have got rid of the grant
The grant is small compared to the cost of the car. Getting the best deal for electricity when charging should more than cover the cost without grants.
The grant we suspect be gone from March but as efixx just said it’s a tiny cost compared to the car or the cost of electric you could spend vs the savings of electric, i personally don’t think your see prices go up by same difference of grant going. I suspect small rise in price but only small due to; Charge point makes swallowing maybe £50/80 of the cost. Engineers not having to mess around with ozev paperwork will see cash flow is better and likely fit for lower rates due to time saved with paperwork and waiting to be paid so maybe see £50 saved here
CHARGING YOUR EV. I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. LIKE THE BOTTLES OF PROPAINE AND CALOR IF YOU PURCHASH ONE BOTTLE AS A ONE OFF YOU THEN CAN EXCHANGE THAT BOTTLE FOR A FULL BOTTLE. SO IF THEY CAN MAKE ALL BATTERY,S UNIVERSAL YOU THEN CAN GO TO A GARAGE AND HAVE THAT ONE REPLACED WITH A FULLY CHARGE ONE. AT A COST OF COURSE. YES, NO?
No… charging at home will always be much cheaper or free with solar, even some work places can offer free or cheaper charging as a work perk, fast motorway chargers are down to 15 minutes… battery swaps is what nio offers as a option you lease the battery and can swap the battery but it takes almost as long as some of the fastest chargers on market
This is ridicuously complicated, i just wanted to know which charger is best to stick on the side the garage in range of the wifi, why are you directing us somewhere else? You've stated "be careful, there's lots to think about" but that's why i came to the video in the first place. daft video. thanks for telling me absolutely nothing. Normally reviewers give a "best value for money" or "most robust" etc. where is that?
There is no 1 charger fits all needs this market is new still, pick your best 2 based on what you want using evnick.com/charge that might be looks or cheapest then watch the individual reviews and compare the best
I can’t use every single charge point to prove this and models change and update. Looking at internals I can give you a good educated guess on top spots but couldn’t said which of the top ones would out do others
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Please note 5p charging rate was correct time of publishing however as of THIS comment its now from 7p or more commonly 7.5p
Confusing to understand, the conversation is all over the place
I agree.
The video is supposed to be telling you which EV charges are best for you, but then he fails to reveal which one has the fan.
So basically not telling you which ones is the one to avoid.
Kind of pointless video reallyand as a new EV Owner, I am no more knowledgeable after this video time to find another
Agree 100% all over the place.
Information in no particular order, more like a daily soap opera, the folks do have sense of humour, wife likes small things and rear entry is favourite etc…
The convenience of EV home charging compared with having to visit petrol stations cannot be over-stated and was the final selling point for my decision to buy a small BEV last December.
Totally agree on the tethered charge point point. so much more convenient.
Watch for Gary’s hand signals 😂😂😂
I knew something was going on… when Gordon said at the end “this is why we don’t do 3 presenter shots anymore as I can’t watch Gary”
Some of the chargers look like this, some looks like that. Some are tethered and some aren't. Some are dumb, some use Apps, some are intelligent. Oh, and that one is a bit like that one except it's different. What a mish-mash. I got to 5 minutes and gave up.
Ian the idea of this video is explaining what to look for and point you towards my reviews or each individual charge point
Yeah same here. Started with Great promise, then got lost.
Just wasted 8 minutes of my time.
For the wallbox, Bluetooth connection to the app is enough to retrieve session details and upload automatically into the cloud through the phone (once phone establish internet connection). Really handy on our installation in the underground parkade. It also allows multiple user access, and can track individual user session.
Great review love the practical advice and your banter. What a great find cheers!
What are the easiest options to get around a door frame. I have my outside meter to the right of my side door, but I need the charger on the left. 8 inch gravel channel between wall and driveway which does go very deep. Door has ground level sill and the cable could go under that???
I'd have to choose the myenergi Zappi to talk with my Harvi & Eddi only decision tethered or untethered 🙏
Misleading to say all charging points available as there is no podpoint shown which seems to be popular
Slip of tongue meant all the charge points I've reviewed, podpoint declined to send one for review
With the rapidly increasing electricity fees, you can see the downsides of a dynamic tariff: "your charges can go up as well as down".
In-built SIM card? 3g? 4g? 5g? Beware of technological obsolescence. The SIM card will need to have 4g at least.
What does it use Comms for? Can it charge when there's no Comms? (Internet/mobile network connection down)
(I have decades of experience of pulling apart good ideas)
iPhone user? (Apple don't care if a change to their technology renders your EV charger useless)
I could go on.
If you like it or not ALL electric will be dynamic and if you choice not be on a dynamic deal they will punish you with a massively high rate for all your electric. This is what is happening already as i explained in the video at the time i could get a non dynamic deal for 16p all day instead I went for a dynamic deal giving me 14p peak and 5p offpeak. Now this rate is 24p PEAK and 5p OFF Peak however even with that higher peak I'd average 14.5p which is far below the latest FIXED or variable price cap. The grid needs to be balanced better demanding on generation and green generation can vary more having dynamic deals means users will adjust to balance.
Regarding SIM card, yes all these companies know 3g is going away the ones listed use 4g or a dongle that can be changed for newer tech. However even at 4g I'd expect time its phased out the unit would of likely lived it life out.
Without internet they all work effectively DUMB meaning just charge however some work smart even with no internet with timing delays built into the charger firmware.
@Nicolas what is the best EV charger, think I may change my mind on the EV charger, I need one that is solar compatible and I want to be able to detach the lead so not tethered. I appreciate your insight.
@NicolasRaimo what is the best EV charger, think I may change my mind on the EV charger, I need one that is solar compatible and I want to be able to detach the lead so not tethered. I appreciate your insight on the latest charger
The Hypervolt is the one with the fan in it. Ive read that the only reason it has a fan in it is because they've started selling it in UAE and Australia so its meant to be for thermal management at really high temps?
Spot on we have them here in Australia. And when it gets to 45 degrees C the fan will be needed!
Came for recommendations and actual guidance.. But the whole video just states things I should be considering. What is your recommendation based on your experience. That's the video we all want to see! Im sure you guys have the answers. Hope you guys make some more videos.
Video this week kinda explains how it’s hard to recommend 1 product as everyone has different needs but I do have a series coming soon listing best for each given category
I had to fast forward to get to the charger reviews, but no luck! 3 guys just talking among themselves.
Charger reviews broken up to reviews for each product it takes least 20 minutes per charger to review how long did you expect 1 video to be
Hi Nick. Excellent videos. Recently discovered your channel. Really in depth. Love it. So many factors to consider. I guess the main factor for me which you didn't touch on much is reliability and customer service. This is critical to me, being self employed. I'm not looking for a charger with all the bells and whistles. I want one that has a solid app which has had a lot of development, few issues with the chargers themselves, and decent customer support when things do go down. Who do you recommend?
Its hard for me to judge or say to be honest Roger, as I don't really use ANY of them long term or repeat test customer service. The build quality on indra is very good and they have a low failure rate but it doesn't play nicely with intelligent but does work on ovo anytime. Zappi now works on intelligent but the one at work I notice server goes down time to time but I wouldn't know if other firms had same issues more or less as I don't use there chargers. I have an ohme pro as my every day charger there support I used is ticket based on app but to be honest I never use it as I got the CEO's number and the CTO number and never had issues with them. Ill be honest everyones upped there quality game this year I'd personally only go for a charger thats on intelligent octopus
Ohme ePod every time. Small, no lead, plenty of control via the app and Ohme’s customer service is brilliant.
Am an Ohme pro man, always go tethered
@@NicolasRaimo I’m unsure what we’re talking about now😳
I was hoping for some more concrete recommendations for various requirements but sadly that was denied me. I've already purchased a Zappi 2 so I was curious as to whether I could have have made a better choice but the die has already been cast and I'll remain ignorant for a while longer.
all the chargers on the wall have been individually reviewed there’s a list to then reviews in the description as mentioned in the video
This is worst case of British Writing and video production I've ever seen! 😬
I watch so many U.K. TH-camrs, but DANG these guys really craped out on this one!
The guys at Asheville, Marcus House, B1M, Techmoan, and Dr. John Campbell know how to produce a great video!
Why didn't ya stich all of the reviews together just for this video!?
@@VRtechman you didn’t like this video many others did, it depends what you want out of it the reviews and information stitched be over 2 hours this is a highlight of what you should look for within the reviews why showing all the devices for a visual side by side
Really helpful, good to see them in cost order and side by side,thank you so much.
Thanks! Don’t forget to subscribe and check out the in depth reviews of each charge point you prefer
Great Video, learnt allot about the types of charging. I've got an old pod point dumb charger installed at my work (2018) but looking at getting one at home things have changed allot, especially as they now have to be smart?
Indeed they do Andy I did a video few weeks ago about just that
Can this test be rerun now please for 2024 ?
New series coming soon!
The boxes are not the actual charger merely part of a dedicated supply circuit rather like your cooker or shower. The actual charger is part of the EV known as the On Board Charger. This will have a set max power consumption capacity so what the box will deliver is academic.
What do you guys think of the EO Mini Pro V2? Is it good?
I have heard people installing just a 32A Commando socket to charge a Tesla? Anything wrong with doing just this?
Thank you for the amazing content and great video! Thanks
Full review on the EO mini pro on my playlist, also a video about 3 pin chargers where we talked about commando issues like pen fault
@@NicolasRaimo I have pretty much seen all videos from yourself on those pics but I'll be honest, I wasn't able to find information specifically on a 32A commando socket and the pro, cons, types of protection needed, etc. I have bee quoted by an electrician to install a double pole RCBO at source and a 32A commando socket to charge the Tesla as an alternative to a Type 2 charger. From a safety perspective, would that work or is that not okay. Really appreciate your content and help as always! Thank you :)
@@alansabu95 you need a device for PEN fault depending on your earth
See
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Hi, DNO asking for Single line diagram (showing the location of the emergency isolation switch what do they actually want have you got an example?
Assume they mean isolator after meter
@@NicolasRaimo Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply, ok, so how would you draw that as a line drawing? Would it be a simple line drawing of a plan view of the property ( 4 walls and the roof) and the location of the cut off marked? Thanks again.
@@markc9349 I can personally reccomend heatable, ignore the fact I have a referral code for a minute. The job they did on mine was TOP NOTCH, a year later after 40 members of my audience used them and I had overwhelming good feedback about them I decided to resign for another year have them back on my roof for more panels and again prefect job, My Neigbour used them and I checked his job after they left and then his dad whos a roofer checked it and again top notch. They pride them selfs on Premium panels, Premium Rails, Premium products and battery systems. They have a back office team for support so if you have issues with the system you have someone to ring all the time and they might spot issues before you know they exist. Local installers sometimes can wash there hands of you once paid, Some local installers however are top notch
I have been through two tethered cables.. they get worn at the box and the lead eventually wares down. Untethered gives you a choice.. you can always buy a lead to keep plugged in rather than always using the one in the car. I have a 10 metre lead at home but I have the choice to take that with me if I think I might want to charge where the charger has been iced. On the whole this video only covers the point that there are different chargers.. I would have like to have known about smart chargers more and which ones did that.
As mentioned in video individual reviews listed in description or go to evnick.com/charge
Do they charge you for electricity at commercial rate having an EV charger or is it residential rate?
Evnick.com/energy for rates but cheap!
Great video nick 👍👏
Great video but can you comment regarding the pricing. As mentioned the chargers are ordered cheapest to expensive. I cant find a ZAPPI anywhere which is cheaper than the Hypervolt. I’m guessing the prices has changed since.
If your stuck between them 2 and zappi is more I’d still buy the zappi it if was my personal choice try evnick.com/charge to get better price compare
Currently got a dumb charger, GivEnergy AC connected battery and SolarEdge solar system. I want to divert excess solar to the car, but also don't want it to drain the GivEnergy battery if I top up at other times. Mostly charge off peak on Octopus Go - can any chargers here do that, or is my only option to wait for GivEnergy's EV charger coming Q1 23?
Myenergi configured correctly should do that
Would be nice if your camera’s would be synced up, the side shot is all over the place lipsync wise. Thanks for the info though.
Which is the best 22kw charger that comes with the grant? Looking at tethered, ideally solar proof, good customer service.
Domestic or work pls e
@@NicolasRaimo domestic
@@sukhjotesingh9613 you already got 3phase
@@NicolasRaimo I have had it sorted it by dno.
Octopus came to change meters to smet2
@@sukhjotesingh9613 ok no worries just rare to get 3phase for home, also I don’t think any domestic chargers qualify for grant if 3phase as it’s a separate registration however zappi likely one I’d sim you at
No Project EV? Probably a good job, mine was DOA...
Jeez, is there just a plug in plug out charger that i can install in my garage and run the cable under the door. I can monitor the % via the cars app ( renault Zoe 50kw 2021) what do you recommend for some who's not employed by NASA and not interested even in timers I just wanna charge my car when i plug it in! anything simple please and don't say granny cable I mean 7kw
Any experience with Indra smart lux?
I've seen it in flesh as they invited me to PR launch event, Indra typically build solid units I can't comment further than that thou as haven't had the unit on test for review but its IP rating is one the best on market.
I think I’m a few steps before this video… this is for intermediate level EV people. I’m a pre-schooler in EV
There’s a playlist on my channel about EV chargers and then there’s video teaching basics ;)
No PodPoint?
I started emailing companies over 12 months ago to send me their charge point for review, I emailed 95% of all the companies that sold a charge point and others then contacted me as the reviews went out. I've never had any reply from podpoint, any company who sent me a unit for review is displayed behind me, and will be reviewed by me. Anyone who didn't send me a charge point can't be shown as I can't be expected to purchase every single charge point for sale.
Thanks for uploading gents. My provider is EON & they can install an app based charger for £950. Do you know if they are any good? Comes with 6 yrs warranty + 365 days a year customer care.
What charger is it? Brand?
@@NicolasRaimo It’s the Vestel EV04. Thanks in advance.
@@JJamJ that’s a new one even for me! Not seen it tested it so unfair to comment
Would have been great if you lot could've just told us and named the chargers.
You just kept talking about generic things to consider, but never really told which charger is what.
SUPERB INFO - PERFECT FOR ME - WATCHED IT ALL - FAST GREAT PACE - 3 PEOPLE INITIALLY THROUGH ME BUT - just for me it was OK 🤓
Great video Nick. I do like the look of that Easee charger.
It’s a great looking charger I do think they need to be bold and make a tethered unit thou
@@NicolasRaimo I actually prefer untetherd chargers. I'm looking to put a charger on my Mums house to rent out to people locally who need a charge.
@@luciddestiny I prefer look of untethered however I prefer the ease of tethered
I thought you can plug your own cable in then lock it? That effectively makes it tethered if u want
The implication is that these units need to be located external to your home.... why can't they be located internally within your garage?
they can be located in your garage.... if you park your car outside the garage thou surely makes more sense to have it where car is parked... but you can fit it where you want
2:31 watch gary when the grey shirt guy says "rear entry".
Which Chargepoint is Gordon not a fan of?
The one with the fan
Having the main fuse replaced in your property expensive? It's free! You just call up the local supplier and demand they come and fix it ASAP because you don't have electricity at home and you need it. They will be there in no time and replacement is free.
I will wait until Project Farm test these chargers to really find out which one is the best!
Seeing it’s a US channel and these are mainly UK market chargers highly unlikely. Also these are advanced electronics so unsure what you’d expect? My reviews have a full tear down
Wallbox commander 2 or tesla gen 3 ?
Since this video I've tested and reviewed about another 5 products all on the website evnick.com/charge is near impossible to review everything but everything I'm sent I try get round to.
My guy made that comment about "wife like small thing" made it awkward LOL
You said all charger available in the UK but what about the OPENEVSE.?
Slight slip of words, am reviewing all chargers points that I can get my hands on Glynn and team do a wonderful job
No OPENEVSE / EmonEVSE charger tested? How come?
I reached out to everyone I could and not everyone sent me a unit back for testing
Golden times for instalers
Why does the left hand charger have two cables, both outputs to a car?
Ignore the one that comes from the top we tried to hide it from camera view but that would go straight into your consumer unit, they do a version with a type 2 end like you see which can make OLD EV chargers intelligent
Hi can you use 3 phase charge cable on a single phase
Thanks
Yes but will only charge single
@@NicolasRaimo thanks
Would've been nice if you just did a summary of the prices or showcases name and prices in one screen shot
Issue is prices are subject to lots of variables
Grants (Uk ends March)
Area
Length of connection
Complex of job
The date of quote and videos age
If you go to evnick.com/charge an update price can be given
You can wrap the wire around the hyper volt?
You can, ask Gordon said the advantage of the larger units is you can wrap cable round
I like the features and convince of the apps , but some of these chargers are new companies that maybe bankrupt next year so the back end stops leaving you with a dumb charger for next ten years .
Fantastic advice!
Glad it was helpful!
Mmm- Not sure I'm any the wiser yet and I've watched several vids - Off to watch another but need some fence jumping here I think
Check the description of this video each charger has its own in depth review
I've got a new board and a 100amp main fuse. Could I just use an outside plug socket to charge an ev and use the car's own timer etc. If so I'm wondering what is the highest power rating for an outside socket? I hope this is comprehensible, I've probably messed the terminology with my 'ME' mashed potato for brains!
Edit: oh and I noticed no Andersen charger there. Is that because they removed the pen-fault protection or did I miss it?
Ah, its OK just seen your answer to my question in the comments, 32amp commando, that's what I was driving at. Off to watch the video link you gave by way of explanation now, cheers. 👍
13a is the maximum from a plug socket. Simple.
Jeez, what a nightmare. I think I'll stick to slow charging via the granny lead!
What’s a nightmare… pick a charger any charger it comes with all the safety equipment granny charging doesn’t include see our video on granny charging
Hi I've got solar panels so what charger is best for me it ideally needs to start charging at low wattage, because if its a bit cloudy and I'm harvesting 900
watts but the charger only starts charging at 1000watts it's pointless because that's probably 70% of the UK weather, thanks in advance.
The issue isn’t the charger it’s your car… most EVs have a minimum charge limit of 6a some even 8amps you can select the charger however to use some solar and grid at same time
@@NicolasRaimo thanks for getting k to me , what would be a good charger for me to buy? Thanks
@@cheveredj8435 pretty much all chargers now allow that.. are you planning to get a battery in future
"All of the chargers on sale I'm the UK " literally loads missing and some of the leading brands. Including some leading brands at the best prices.. what a misleading lie of a video.
Can’t review chargers not sent to me….
@@NicolasRaimo well just say some of the chargers not all of the chargers on sale in the UK.
@@davidf5019 am reviewing them all sent to me… some companies chosen to ignore me or rejected to be reviewed I’ve been running these reviews for 12 months few reasons not to be sent, some of the “cheaper” brands don’t have any real smart ability and I suspect that’s why they ignored emails to be reviewed
@@NicolasRaimo so if they don't sent YOU a charger to review then they don't exist on sale. My gripe isn't with what you review it is with saying this is ALL chargers on sale in the UK when it isn't even close. There are brands missing which are at the forefront of the industry for price as well as features and smart ability. As you are knowledgeable about this sector I'm sure you could mention those brands if not review and at least give viewers a true picture
@@davidf5019 I can’t be expected to purchase all these chargers, just like you don’t expect car reviewers to buy every car.
Market budget of 1 charger to them at cost is pennies compared to what they spend in ad words and other forms of marketing.
1 said company offered me bribe so to speak to review the product and they wanted control over the review… in other words a paid placement. This didn’t sit well with me so I declined unless it was made clear it’s an advert.
I do have more companies chargers shown than on that wall which is why we didn’t drill into any of them chargers rather pointing towards the growing playlist.
However I won’t be using my own funds to purchase any of these chargers and just because a company might have a market share doesn’t mean there charger is actually any good.
I can't believe the legislation about the chargers having to be smart. All I want is a dumb, reliable 7kw charger to plug in and charge my car. I don't want to rely on an app that will be updated and break features, or remove features, or be delisted from the app store in X number of years meaning it's useless when you get a new phone, or worse useless once the company decides to brick your device because it's not new enough.
I don't understand the reasoning behind not being able to get a charger that does just that, charges my car without all the app faff.
There's a couple of reasons and also some info you have wrong about smart chargers. So first lets separate smart from dumb. PEN fault, RCD, DC leakage are safety features that are not part of the smart requirements there features that MOST installs have included into the charger as wiring regs would require them to be fitted with a charger so makes sense for them to be part of the charger.
Smart was added for the national grid and its to stop us needing to spend billions on national infrastructure and millions on local cables instead we have enough power on the gird to support all evs we just need to juggle them around a little smart allows this, it means that if someone with no care of smart deals just plugs in a time delay wil randomise that charge start and by default block 4-7pm unless manually overwritten.
Regarding going bust there 2 points to this.
Point 1 this control data of your charger is worth MILLIONS so likelihood your be sold to someone else to run that app and data long term anyway.
Point 2 if they couldn't find a buyer the chargers are designed within the smart regs that they will Go dumb mode automatically
I’m soon to going electric and being an electrician I see all these EV chargers as overpriced 32A comando sockets.
Standard 32A comando socket around £30-£40
These smart EV chargers £400-£1000.
The smart features are now starting to come built in the car.
As for off peak changing, you try getting a good off peak tariff at the moment as we are all be had over with them pretending to fix rates for our benefit, with falling prices of crude oil they have basically removed all the healthy competition from the market
The features they have built in are not built into car, for example lots of them are electrical safety based like DC leakage protection, rcd protection and the communication protocols for the EV charger even a 13a EV charger costs £250 that’s without the same relays as one of these of course as it’s much lower amps.
Regarding the smart stuff that cars have built in like time delays your likely find them to date out as doing it via charger unlocks better EV deals
Check evnick.com/energy for a list of EV deals best one currently is 10p offpeak
@@NicolasRaimo thank you for the info
I should have been a little more clear with reference to smart chargers, yes you need the correct RCD and O-PEN protection to comply with the current regulations, there are a few chargers out there that offer just this at a much more economical price than a fully smart EV charger that is app based or even integrated with your solar panel system. Personally I would go for a lesser model with just the required safety requirements with all the smart connectivity. I have a 4kw solar panel system on a south facing roof with a 4.8kwh battery, I don’t think paying for solar Integration is worth the added cost and it’s just more technology that can fail within the unit, yes in the summer on the few good days I can produce 20 to 30kwh of which is never gonna charge my car when it’s with you at work most of the time Monday to Friday during the day and in the winter forget about it as my 4kw solar system most days struggles to charge it’s own 4.8kwh battery let alone a 50-70kwh car battery.
Also the I’m getting a Tesla that you can set within the car what time to charge to and from and at what rate. I’m sure this feature will be available in most EV car eventually if not already, so no need for a fancy smart charger for that either.
The 10p per kWh sounds great and I just had a look at the info within the links you provided (thank you will definitely use your referral if a do switch). But what’s the day rate for these, I did try to find it but it’s not to easy which I found not surprising as most energy supplies are great at given you a baffling sales pitch, but engineers like us just wanna see the brass tax in the on peak rate and the daily charge, most of the suppliers out there focus to much on a monthly direct debit cost which I hate as it like trying to buy a car and all the salesman keeps going on about is monthly payments with giving you the true cost.
I did look at a few EV tariffs last week, can’t remember who it was but one was offering a good night charging rate for just a few hours but their day rate was in excess of 70p kWh. I’m currently not tied in but paying a flat rate 33p/kWh, with a little maths applied unless I’m gonna be charging 2 EV on super chargers for the small window they give you the reduced rate it’s not worth paying that premium day rate.
Any more info with who’s offering more reasonable day rates for their EV tariffs would be greatly appreciated
@@dukethenuke8426 10p rate on intelligent gives fixed 6 hours from 12:30 till 6:30 for your general household use… if your cars plugged in it could charge between these hours or more hours or different hours and your still get the 10p rate for them hours plus the house will also! The peak rate is about 40p depending on your local network but of course the average rate is massively reduced! You could even charge your battery up on the offpeak hours!
Regarding solar chargers think of it this way your not always gonna be flat and you have a smaller array than others my friend who’s a school teacher is running his entire Tesla model 3 on his solar panels!
@@NicolasRaimo thanks I really appreciate the info
40p/kWh compared to my 33p/kWh @ an average of 2150/kWh per annum for us would be an increase of about £150 per annum taken @ 100% peak use which obviously not the case so probably at conservative calculation the actual increase would be about £130.
Charging the car @ 12p saying around a 70kwh charge on average conditions would give use around 340 miles for £8.40 compared to 33p which would cost £23.10 for a 70Kwh @ 1 charge a week that would be saving around £750 per annum. But we probably do less mileage than that but even if our mileage was half that then it’s still a saving and would pay more dividends once the kid start to drive if they are electric too as one charger with planned use could easy be used in a family household of 2/3 cars, if you need to charge every night then you’re doing some serious mileage and would most likely need to chargers on your travels
@@dukethenuke8426 use the spreadsheet on my website to help work out what your average will be worth noting my prices include the 5% vat
Ohme uses The car API but now we have 2 Teslas it has become a nightmare, you cannot add a second car without a long login process, not a fan of Ohme.
Will be sorted soon
No Andersen?
Contacted them to send me a unit 12 months ago under the same terms of every charge point shown behind us for this video, Didn't want to take part under the same terms wanted special terms just for them which I wasn't willing to flex for 1 company over the other 9, Tried them one last time 2 weeks before filming this video never got a reply to that contact.
@@NicolasRaimo Really? That's a shame! Not sure why Andersen act this way - they cut the installer discount a while back however, are now reintroducing it (probably after a dip in sales)
Great upload by the way very informative 👍
How as an installer do I become registered through the link you provided? Thanks
@@brad30 form.typeform.com/to/B1RsVQ Please feel free to share video around the trade cheers for comment and don't forget to check out efixx channel
@@NicolasRaimo Cheers Nick I'll register now 👍
you didn't actually tell us what chargers have what or even what chargers are on the wall just things to consider
Description list then all and individual reviews
So the grant is going after March next year then hmmm cheers UK government, so when I get an ev next year It'll have to be the cheapest charger. I can see a lot of people just using the granny cable instead of getting a charging point because the government have got rid of the grant
The grant is small compared to the cost of the car. Getting the best deal for electricity when charging should more than cover the cost without grants.
@@efixx yes I know but it doesn't help does it
The grant we suspect be gone from March but as efixx just said it’s a tiny cost compared to the car or the cost of electric you could spend vs the savings of electric, i personally don’t think your see prices go up by same difference of grant going.
I suspect small rise in price but only small due to;
Charge point makes swallowing maybe £50/80 of the cost.
Engineers not having to mess around with ozev paperwork will see cash flow is better and likely fit for lower rates due to time saved with paperwork and waiting to be paid so maybe see £50 saved here
Why everybody calls those boxes chargers ? The charger is on the car .
These Are Not Electric Car chargers - EVSE
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Good informative video, not sure it needed three people though.
These days you can complete most charging functions from the car itself so a dumb charger will be just fine for most people
Legislation comes in force next year that says the other
How about a charge master 2 of eBay for £200?
Doesn’t contain PEN fault from memory or DC leakage but not 100% sure
The worst product review ever. They never discuss the efficiency of the charger stations and mention what their wife likes (small things) (really)
Efficiency of the charger… your joking right…
Still working!!! How's your Tesla shares & BITCOIN positions. Got it - you love sell tee-shirts & mugs.
I don’t have any Bitcoin and sold all my Tesla shares some time ago
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CHARGING YOUR EV. I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. LIKE THE BOTTLES OF PROPAINE AND CALOR IF YOU PURCHASH ONE BOTTLE AS A ONE OFF YOU THEN CAN EXCHANGE THAT BOTTLE FOR A FULL BOTTLE. SO IF THEY CAN MAKE ALL BATTERY,S UNIVERSAL YOU THEN CAN GO TO A GARAGE AND HAVE THAT ONE REPLACED WITH A FULLY CHARGE ONE. AT A COST OF COURSE. YES, NO?
No… charging at home will always be much cheaper or free with solar, even some work places can offer free or cheaper charging as a work perk, fast motorway chargers are down to 15 minutes… battery swaps is what nio offers as a option you lease the battery and can swap the battery but it takes almost as long as some of the fastest chargers on market
This is ridicuously complicated, i just wanted to know which charger is best to stick on the side the garage in range of the wifi, why are you directing us somewhere else? You've stated "be careful, there's lots to think about" but that's why i came to the video in the first place. daft video. thanks for telling me absolutely nothing. Normally reviewers give a "best value for money" or "most robust" etc. where is that?
There is no 1 charger fits all needs this market is new still, pick your best 2 based on what you want using evnick.com/charge that might be looks or cheapest then watch the individual reviews and compare the best
Need too update, and include reliability too
I can’t use every single charge point to prove this and models change and update. Looking at internals I can give you a good educated guess on top spots but couldn’t said which of the top ones would out do others
So long review and not a list in the end!
list in the description
I was hoping there would be a little bit more of an in-depth explanation of pros and cons and things to consider …unsubscribed(😂 sorry bad joke)
Mate no offence, wifes decide other matters, not the EV chargers. Be a man. Take responsibility.
Happy wife happy life
You don't want a smart meter
Yes you do saves me a fortune
Jokes from the 1970’s
Why thank you, thank you very much.
@@NicolasRaimo you win the blankety-blank cheque book & pen
WTF WAS that joke about " your wife likes small things" LOL oh my
A bit disappointed in this video. It makes no attempt to answer the question in its title.
As the video makes clear there’s no 1 solution fits all, you need to decide which 3 you like and then see my reviews to go into more depth
Didn't you Blokes give these machines a score to differinate which one does a charge better than another!? #Blimey 😤😳😓