1978 Firebird Weiand Supercharger Install (Ep.2 Part 2 of 2)
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- Still a lot of work left to do, but we can finally bolt the supercharger onto the engine in this episode! There are ups and downs and more parts on order, because things never work out the way you planned.
I'm not sure I'd say the supercharger is “installed” at the end of this episode, but it can be bolted on and test-fit, at least. There are still a lot of small jobs and a few relatively big ones before we can start thing thing up, though!
Timeline of filming: December 15th, 2017 - December 19th, 2017
Song List (Order of First Appearance):
0:01 Southern California - Riot
6:47 Highway Girl - Riot
13:03 Lone Trail - Silent Partner
18:15 Hounds - Silent Partner
(All music provided by TH-cam's Audio Library royalty free.)
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I think it really enjoyed that Dorito
When building anything custom you always run into issues making everything work but you are very good at what you are doing so you'll get but it always hurts your wallet. Love your videos.
Don't beat yourself up over such a difficult goal to arrive at. And I love that you can suffer a maddening frustration without resorting to a flurry of vulgar words. That turns me off a channel in a hurry. You have retained the art of being a gentleman, and thank you for that as well.
People like him that can do this are a very special group of people and it's scary that they can
It is so good to see a young man who is competent, capable, intelligent, and mature. You have an excellent channel!
Dont forget the chip in the blower
i cant believe you stuck a nacho in there, what the heck man lmao. looking forward to the rest of this, good luck with it
This is Pointless shit had me laughing hard.
Well that was stupid!!
But it was hungry....
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You should be way over 500k subs your videos are very nice quality
For real! This is a really underrated channel.
Fishing guitars Cars it is not controversial and doesn’t appeal to the morons usually posting garbage... I love watching these videos because he reminds me of myself when I was younger and I see some of my children in him and I like that and he is working on older vehicles and not one of the vloggers who don’t work on their own cars and worry about their hair, tans and workouts...just a normal guy doing cool shit on a budget and having real world problems...keep up the good work and stay who you are bro because I appreciate you for being you👍🏻
I love that you're doing this while your alternator is flaky. It really speaks to your priorities and I'm with ya sir!
It's not that flaky, I think it's just weak. Not to say that there aren't other things I should be fixing instead, like the messed up transmission in my modern truck lol
Ur a fukin idiot, didn't U ever think about pulley balance, and how U let R-12 from an old A-C unit into the atmosphere,? and U didn't have to order a shim washer all U had to do was to look for a good size fender washer in very good condition
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Awesome vid. I am a veteran machinist and do my share of auto mechanics as well.
In the machining realm, I usually set myself up for a failure at least once a year when I haven't measured all the bits and bobs as an assembly and have trusted my brain sack calculator to "make sure" all my parts will be machined correctly.
Such is life.
mistakes are part of wrenching on vehicles. it is sometimes much more gratifying when your done after you have made your wrongs right, than if everything just fit perfect. keep up the good work, i enjoy all of your videos very much!
the smaller balancer is from an 80s up 305 engine.
I had a 78 TA back in high school. It had the 403 oldsmobile engine with the turbo 350. I just drooled over the Pontiac 400 and a four speed, but alas, I lived in California!
The front dampener should be balanced with all the other engine parts; that's what all those holes are drilled in it! Good luck!
"Waste of time and money" I'm pretty sure that's the dictionary definition of hot rodding.
I used to tear down old engines and I kept a bunch of pulleys and brackets because I'm in an offroad club & we build a lot of rigs ourselves. Random pulleys & brackets can save your butt in a pinch but now I have a shed full of pulleys & brackets. Lol If I had caught this episode in time I know I could have hooked you up.
Loving your vids! I watched some other build videos after I binged on your S10 build and it just ain't the same. I especially appreciate the fact that you cut in between torque wrench clicks. Other video's I've seen will do a single-cut through the entire process... bloating videos up to 40-50 min.
And I appreciate that the torque wrench clicks were pretty much in sync with the music!!! :)
Young man, I came across your site as one does when idly trolling through all things engine connected and I like your presentations and explanations immensely...... loved your rebuild of the Chevy engine for your Blazer. At least you own up to your fuck ups! Bet you are a lot less like a bull in a china shop next time you assemble anything. I build custom PC's and always dry fit and measure twice and cut once.... the last full engine rebuild I did was in 1974 when I rebuilt my Ford 4 cylinder engine when it started burning almost as much oil as petrol. I currently run a V8 diesel Porsche Cayenne and about the only maintenance you can do on modern vehicles is check the oil levels and top off your tyre pressures. Oh how I miss tinkering with points and timing and diagnosing worn valve guides and such like! By the way, I am a 63 yr old chap from the county of Angus in Scotland. Ah, the power of he internet!
you remind me of myself when i was younger always building hot rods from used parts and summit i worked as a mechanic and body man for years now its solely a hobby
I loved the outtakes. You should do more of those if it isn't too much work
There are more, but often the camera angle doesn't work out or the visual just doesn't work without explanation. I had a few clips of my banging my head on the hood doing this but with just the audio it didn't play so well. Most of the goofing off happens when other people are in the garage with me, but I can try to screw around more to get more outtakes haha.
i really like watching you're videos. I get excited every time I get a notification that you uploaded a new video. KEEP IT UP!
*Crunch, crunch, crunch* "Well, that was stupid." Hahahahaha
Your videos bring joy to the mechanic in my heart, hope you're having happy holidays and wishing you the best for this new year
This is so damn rad ... me personally would love to see the super charger on the blazer !!! But still love the vids ... great work .. trial and error are great learning experiences .. your doing great !!
When installing the sbc balancer, if you heat it up in the oven at 275-300 degrees, it slides right on the crank with oven mitts on. It will not hurt the rubber elastomer bond either. Many of the older sbc’s didn’t even have a bolt in the crank
Thanks alot for making these videos!! Worth the effort man I appreciate it.
The outtakes at the end cracked me up, excellent addition hahah
"i like this pulley because its installed"
Don't give up man keep ur head up it will work
That moment when you pop the hood and the SC is sitting just right under it... It's sexy!
Good work man. Keep goin!!!!!
Merry Christmas great vids
Rtv really only needed for 2 things. Keep the gasket in place while installing part/bolts. And any places with hard edges, like where the intake plenum and valley pan meet or where a valve cover goes around a cam bearing on newer/smaller engines.
The front and rear gasket thing are the same on ford FE blocks also, just used a bead of high heat on mine, the old one was leaking very bad. Cool build also just found your channel 😀
You ever think of doing a junk yard parts search episode?
Yep, there is a local junkyard that has a fixed price for however many parts you can fit in a wheelbarrow event, I'd like to go with some friends and raid some GM parts.
Another awesome vid! I was a gen mechanic in the military years ago and I think faster means lower charging amperage but higher voltage. I could be mistaken, been a while lol. I vaguely remember lower speed meant higher charging amps at a lower voltage. I might need a refresher course here ;-) But the regulator is supposed to maintain around 12-14 volts DC. The less charge your battery needs, the higher the voltage will go and visa versa. Again... Might be mistaken.
Nice project. Wish I had people closer to me to mess with project cars with, I'd probably get more done quicker instead of spending time on forums and watching other people work on their "toys" haha
glad to see that you also like non race cars too..good work
just by watching the video I feel like imma f up somehow😂
Great video
I know this all in the past but man I feel your pain dude! I'm not as cool headed when that stuff goes south on me. LOL.
Smaller balancer is off a 305
Ahh, interesting! I'll have to look into it. I know some race guys like to run 6" balancers on their 350s, but this one seemed a bit funny.
Omfg the nacho made me lose my shit 😂😂😂
Reminds me of my old primer gray 78. Sweet
I don't use the front and back rubber intake gaskets I lay a thick layer of copper gold RTV extended up and under the intake runner gaskets. Set the intake in place as steadily as possible letting the RTV gush! However I will lay RTV over thin blue OEM type runner gaskets, but not Mr. Gasket Ultra Seal or equivalent clean and coat the intake bolts with permatex torq to specs! Using this method I've never had a single problem.
I always use a shop vac, and seal off the valley the best that I can. You would be pretty creative with a setup like that, I love your videos. I think we would be good buddys if we ever met lol just kidding, seriously tho
You definitely got some silicone in the oil pump pick up tube after all that silicone!
Love Te vids.
Kept it pretty clean and blocked things off with paper towels when cleaning, maybe a few little pieces got through but they'd just get through the screen and caught in the filter anyway, I'm fairly confident nothing blockage-causing stayed in there.
awesome videos
Remember man you'll pay a premium price but Classic Industries probably has every part you need for that
That's precisely the problem, I don't have the money for it. Splurging for this Craigslist kit wiped me out haha, so as usual the cheap but frustrating route was the way to go.
I know that pain well. I bought one of the two most customized vehicles. I bought a Harley last year. It's right there with a jeep for the most customizable vehicles and I know how much the parts cost and I'm willing to pay the price as well. Lol
Water pump pulley is a simple fix. Just deck the back of the water pump and it will line up perfectly
Just finished #1 nice timing
Looking forward to 3
Nice video Thanks Pro
Cool car, cool project, I enjoyed the videos so far. That being said, I would have spent the supercharger money on a 454. A 454 with a mild aftermarket cam will make 500 ft lbs of torque no problem. The 144 will wake up the 350 to an extent, but you will need an aftermarket cam and heads to really take advantage of it. I have a bad feeling that you will be disappointed...
Completely fair. The advantage here is that I might be able to keep the transmission and rear end (because I'm cheap), and forced induction (even with a mini blower) is something I've always wanted to check out. It won't blow anybody's doors off, but I think I'll be happy with just a bit more get-up-and-go than it had before. It made a good impression on me when I drove it briefly (spoilers), for now I think I'll be satisfied. But it wouldn't be off the table to put a 454 in the Firebird and the supercharger in my S10 Blazer, either...
Hey if a 144 blower is what you wanted then that’s awesome, that’s the beauty of building your own cars, you can do whatever makes you happy. Now I’m anxious to see how the blower works out for ya. 👍🏻
You are confused most already have mild cams 325 horse power maybe 400 ft pounds of tork.
early years maybe.
theres more to it than you think..
Bottom line his bottom line is 350 Horsepower To the floor And 400 ft pounds of tork at the wheels.
At the fly wheel hes 420 horse power and 500 ft pounds.
You through in the 350 rpm range .
His 400 foot pounds will start the second his foot hits the peddle .
cubes only rule a even playing feild.
My best freind is a 454 fanatic His 454 HO Wont beat my 350 blown sbc in a 6000 pound truck full time 4 wheel drive
Alonza Hanks, You might want to check out some videos about dyno testing stock 454’s, they make more than 400 ft lbs, mild cam, performer rpm, and a good carburetor will make 500 ft lbs with ease...
Dont get me wrong fly wheel dynos are you setting in your car reving it under no load what so ever
Fastest car in reno nevada was a 454 camaro For like 20 years unbeaten
Monster trucks I think theres 1 hemi Rest 454s.
Racer terms A low thirteen in a Quarter mile
360 horse power and 480 foot pounds of tork on tire dyno stock.
That means it will pull 2 loaded semi trucks over the pass
It also ment you lost 90 horsepower getting to back wheels with headers manifold a small cam
But you pulled a wheely doing a 13
But ive also seen a blown alky burner 454 pull a 4 second quarter and I was wiping frost off of the manafold
after LOL
This is my freind robert I Follow naturaly asperated full roller 454 full race cam .
th-cam.com/video/F6mL1kUVMpk/w-d-xo.html
he pulls 9s
These kinds of troubles tend to crop up whenever you try to pre plan and pre purchase parts for a project :/ just par for the course unfortunately. But you'll get it!
lesson learned, dry fit all parts first.
applying loctite so early was very optimistic :)
Haha, yep. Good way to describe that mistake: optimism
As a frequent wrench turner, I'm ashamed to admit I just learned something about the RTV silicone recently. I didn't see you do it with the intake manifold (maybe it was edited out), but the instructions say to set the part in place lightly, then let the silicone dry, then tighten it down. That way it forms the gasket rather than smashing it out when you tighten it down while it's wet.
Yep, I say it now and then (something like "then I'll let it skin over for a few minutes") but maybe I haven't been clear enough about that. Ideally you'd put RTV on one of your surfaces, let it start to cure a bit (maybe 5-10 minutes), put the pieces together finger tight, wait maybe half an hour, tighten them down more, then wait an hour or two and torque them down all the way. I believe that is the "proper" way to do things, but it is a bit time consuming to do for some parts. I will do that when I can, especially for something like an intake seal.
DUDE, you are smart as a whip and how do you stay so calm? incredible vid and again, the editing.. damn.. great..
Is anyone thinks these old vehicles are easy to modify, watch this video. It may seem a perfect idea but until you put it together you don't know if it'll work. That's what makes it fun though.
Ehh, these are the kinds of things that happen from time to time. No one that never made a mistake ever actually tried to do anything.
Change from long water pump to short water pump and your pulleys will line up
he fed the supercharger a chip lol
Aren't older cars great? Look at all that room you have to work.
Yes! Even the S10 Blazer's small engine bay is huge compared to most modern cars and small trucks. My friend has an HHR SS with the turbo, you can barely get your hand in there to turn a wrench on anything.
Aye, i can practically stand between the engine v6 and radiator on my Audi C4 100
Try a shorty water pump and a longer crank adapter for the blower pulley , and next time you change a intake remove the valve covers they are just in the way , And when removing the distributor remove the cap and note the location of the rotor Number at tdc is the way to do it !
A short water pump would be moving the pulley in the wrong direction, and as far as I can tell nobody makes a longer crank adapter short of having one custom machined. I did eventually find a different lower drive pulley that might have worked but it is over $300. I don't like removing the valve covers if I don't have to when doing an intake, just gives more opportunity for the gasket bits and dirt to get in there when cleaning things up.
Good tip about marking the distributor location, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I wasn't doing it because I would be turning the crankshaft before reassembling it anyway, though.
Hello, I have a '77 formula and is there a way to replace the engine oil pan gasket without taking out the engine or lifting it up? thanks alot
Do we put oil in the back? Or is the only 1(front) hole for oil change?
I'm wondering if the smaller balancer is off a 400. Or if it's a 400 crank. Is it possible your motor is a stroker? Back in the day we use to put a 400 crank in and have the 350 rods machined to fit the bigger 400 journal. Tada. 383...
I'm pretty sure it isn't a stroker, but I wish I paid more attention to checking when I had the oil pan off. Plus, since 400s are externally balanced, it's pretty obvious on the factory balancers which is which. If it shakes, rattles and rolls with this balancer though, I'll just put the old one back on.
I'm certainly no expert but isn't it easier to put the intake manifold in before putting the valve covers on? I assume it's a "which ever way works for you kinda thing". The Do Not Bend package folded into your mailbox was funny. Sorry I took humor in that.
Love all your videos. I have a big old soft spot for GMs. Especially the older ones with some soul. GMs have a lot of their quirks, but I still love them all.
I like keeping the valve covers on to keep junk from getting under them when cleaning things up, and you can get away with leaving them tight with some manifolds but not this new one. So no big deal, didn't need to bother removing them entirely (the wires on the passenger side and spark plug wire guides on both sides make it a bit tricky) and just loosened them up. Entirely valid to just put the valve covers on after doing an intake manifold job though!
Oh man I can't wait to see this thing up and running! When you said your power steering was too strong what do you mean by that? Is steering too easy or too floaty?
Too easy, I suppose, kind of lose road feel. You can turn the wheels lock-to-lock when parked with one finger on the steering wheel as-is. Just not my preference.
I can’t wait till we can see the bird rip down the street with that sweet super charger whinn
I’d sent that pulley to a machine shop. Lol.
Where does the boost gauge vacuum line go on the intake?
Lol love the background music rock an roll unlike that hispter shit alex rebuilds has
How do you plan on balancing the pulley so you don’t burn a bearing? Surely not with a half assed grinding and sanding job!
The crankshaft supercharger pulley? Not sure what episode, but I checked it with a dial indicator and managed to get it pretty darn centered. Probably more centered than just installing it without spacers and not checking at all since the fit isn't the tightest. Rechecked it a hundred miles later and no change in position, I wouldn't expect it to be an issue.
on the next episode we'll talk about how to confront your supercharger on the dangers of dorito addiction.
Love you guy's videos, will there be any datsun videos soon?
I hope so, I need to record voiceover from the owner to make the next episode, but he has been very busy with work unfortunately.
the music sounds like the main menu theme for a farm simulator game
20:40 Mad Max!
fir the water pump issue they make 2 styles for the sbc one is a long neck on newer engines other is a short neck on older engines pre 80s or go electric for power and style
Aaron Sprankel cheap electric water pumps don’t work well and it seems like he’s doing this on a budget.
yes very true just a quick option but can be costly even for a new cheaper unit
Short water pump was only on certain trucks that late, I think, it was only on cars for a few years. This is a long water pump, and the long nose model of the supercharger, so they are supposed to fit together. Turned out the water pump wasn't really the problem, anyway.
Would I run into all these similar issues if I try to install this on my c10
Do you plan on doing something with that funky transmission that's in there?
What makes it funky? I'll leave it until it breaks or if I put lower gears in it and want a four speed for the highway, most likely. Kind of want to put on a manual valve body though.
FuzzyDicePimp oh yeah I forgot you used this as you're daily driver. I assumed that since you're putting a supercharger on that you would want some more torque.
Looks like you just need proper spacing. And from what I've seen so far from your other videos. You're more than capable of solving a problem like that.
Also the local collage you do work at don't have a mill and lathe if they do use it
That blower setup is made to use a short water pump and pulleys.
The instructions specifically state the long nose version (which it is) is made to fit a long water pump 2 or 3 v-belt setup. Anyway, the actual pulley problem was that the supercharger drive pulley didn't line up, which wouldn't have made a difference on either water pump setup. It was a tricky situation all around.
+Fuzzy Dice Projects Ahhh, I just figured most blowers I've seen are for short water pump setup. So I was wondering why your pullys were so out of wack.
This is actually too much (proceeds to put more on) 😂🤣
I would have thought an electric water pump would have been the way to go. Perhaps an electric power steering unit also along with a high output Mechman alternator. just my thoughts. It's easy to second guess from a chair...peace out dude.
Where does the boost gauge go on the intake?
That smaller balancer with the 12 o’clock timing marks is from a 305 from a later vehicle. Could be a truck or a Camaro balancer but it’s definitely from a 305. I’ve had to kneel on the rad support to set timing on TONS of GM 5.0’s are you sure that engine is a 350 and not a 305?
To be honest, I can't be completely sure it is a 350 without measuring the stroke. Block casting number is 3970010 and it is a 2 bolt main and that could also apply to 327 engines from 1969, so there is a very slim possibility it could have a 327 crankshaft but it is far, far more likely it is just a common 350 setup.
15-40 diesel oil is king on old flat tappet engines
What vintage is the engine? The smaller balancer is an '80's 305/350 balancer, the larger one is a 70's one. Since it's been rebuilt, likely multiple times since it's .060" over, the timing cover could be off of anything so the mark matching or not doesn't mean much. If I was going to bet, random 350 was probably pulled out of an '80's truck in a jy, proabaly the most common source.
Yea, the small crank pulley is an '80's crank pulley, it's looking a lot like the whole thing is an '80's 350 with the wrong timing cover on it.
Pulleys can be infuriating when you get into these weird installs... I'm not sure why it's so hard, it's not like there were more than half a dozen factory configurations that just got re-rolled for the different chassis/accessories. I have a weird combination of 80's small block, some 70's parts and a 2000's PS type II PS pump with some 2000's S10 and f-body parts and a bunch of stuff that I custom machined to make it all work. One thing that would likely make this all easier for you would be to use a 3rd gen f-body ('82-87) alternator bracket, an '86 or 87 formula/TA alternator (or later) rated at 145A and a, early 3rd gen alternator pulley (your stock one would likely work, the '87 pulley is a 6 rib not v-belt). I'm wondering if you're missing a spacer for the supercharger crank pulley or something since your original bolts were too long?
Don't coat the intake gaskets with RTV, it just causes them to slide around and leak, especially the end seals. The best deal there is to put a small bead around the coolant passages at either end, ditch the end seals and run about a 1/4" bead on both "china walls" and bolt it down. Wait, yea, you just did it like that ;-) ... why did you goop it all down the first time?
Seriously chips in the blower..?! Omg
Go alternators are super easy to rebuild
That Edelbrock intake doesn’t look like it got tooken off a whole lot
How long was the crank bolt...
I have a question, why do you use a torque wrench for most of your ratcheting? Is it an old one that's not accurate anymore?
Lucas Izaguirre my guess is either that or he’s wants have an idea of the torque the bolts are at
You got it, it was left on a high setting for over a decade and the reading is off, and it's too cheap a model to bother getting it calibrated. But it's a very nice long-handled 1/2" ratchet!
the balancer you took of is a 305 balancer
hey just came across your video. On your water pump to pulley issue, you might want to determine if the pulley set is made for a short water pump. By the looks of it you have the long water pump. That might be why you need the spacer to get every thing to line up.
That was something I considered too, but the way it works out in the end the water pump actually has nothing to do with it, the crank pulley is the one that doesn't line up. The kit claims to fit short and long water pump setups, and it would have if the crankshaft pulley spacing lined up
@@FuzzyDiceProjects Thanks for the reply
That smaller balancer is for a 305
When is the final supercharger video coming?
Final? No idea. Hopefully will have another video this week or next though, good weather forecast so should be able to get a lot of work done over the next few days.
where did you get intake
Whats the C.S.I on that blower? (Chips per square inch)
Obviously not enough if it couldn't even consume the one without it jamming up. Maybe with practice...
bro! how did you learn all this stuff? do you have a degree?
Hey Fuzzy, what do You do for living? Guessing by Your knowledge You are a mechanic by trade?
Currently between jobs actually, which is why I have the time to make so many videos, but deciding between a parts supplier and an auto shop position in the next few weeks.
FuzzyDicePimp well, good luck! And keep the videos coming, Your channel is definitely one of my favorites on TH-cam. I really like seeing what car culture is out there in the US (I'm in Europe), and All of that work being done on vehicles which I've never seen in my life. Cheers