I really like how you run a business. I started and sold 3 business and took 3 public. You are very smart and really care about your stock. Your grandfather would be very proud of you. You could make over 100 grand as a welder. Hope you get to a million followers. Neal
The door in the bottom is to keep the material in bottom from stopping up the transfer chute to the discharge fan. If you shut it off it will pull too much material up to the discharge fan.
We always called them hammer mills. They usually came with a series of screens for everything from cracked corn to nearly flour. I hope you find and buy a number of screens as you will find more uses of varied sizes of product. I
Saw alot of MM tractors growing up, never saw MM hammermill. Brought back many memories of the old tractors with the 5" belt rolled in figure 8 to keep it from jumping plus 2 metal stakes as a precaution to keep it straight. If I was still in technical training arena, I would want you as a lead SME (subject matter expert), you would be a natural. Good video & explanation Tyler.
Thanks Allan. See I just learned something I thought they twisted the belt just to reverse the rotation. But the extent of my experience is just watching a couple videos! I appreciate the compliment thank you!
I purchased a Gehl tankless 14 in hammer mill at a auction for $5. The 24 in pulley was broken but all the pars where there I spent $50 in brass rods to weld it back together and two weeks of time. It’s a great for grinding most anything.
Tyler- This is a great idea, I have done this same project. I definitely save money by grinding and mixing my self. I grind hole kernel off the cob and do not run a screen. I found a screen made it to fine for cattle. Over the years I set this up several different ways to make things easier. The best way I found for me is the hammer mill on the front of a trailer and a holding tank/hopper on the rear. The feed blows from the mill into the sacker (cyclone) then falls into the hopper. The old timers tell me the sacker/cyclone help pull the feed up from the blower creating a vacuum. Although I’m sure over a short distance it will be fine. The entire unit can be pulled in an out of the shed and kept out of the way when not in use. We call it the rat rod feed grinder. I use a 30hp farmall H on it. I have plenty of pictures from my build if they would help you, I can email them to you. Good luck, great channel! Jeff from Missouri
Sounds like a good setup! I thought about putting mine on a trailer but opted for a three point frame so I don’t have to mess with tires going flat, sun damage etc. I’d love to see the pictures if you don’t mind sending them! Farmer_tyler@hotmail.com Thanks Jeff!
That’s just what you need for the farm. My granddaddy grew a bunch of stuff and made his own feed for all the animals. I forgot what you call the machine but it had a slim vertical window so you could see how much was in there. Really nice 👍
Thanks Wendy I’m excited to give it a whirl! The old timers really knew how to do for themselves, I’m trying to be more like that! Seems like these days people just buy what they need to have or pay someone to do what they need done! I’m going backwards I guess!
The inside of that mill looks pretty similar to my Troy-Bilt Tomahawk chipper. Maybe that would be an option for someone looking for a smaller self-powered machine. If you're having trouble getting enough speed, you could always do another stage of pulleys. Either way, nice fab work Tyler!
Thank you very much. As a matter of fact one of my hay customers uses a wood chipper to grind his hay and says it works great! So yeah I think that’s definitely an option if someone is not too particular about the size in the end. Great idea! Thanks!
If my experience with a small chipper shredder is of any value to you, the best thing I did was to balance the flails and chipper blades. For the flails, I weighed them and either ground them or added braze material until they were all the same. For the blades,I added washers under the blade nuts as needed to achieve balance. It now runs smoothly, doesn't rattle and works great. Maybe you can do the same thing on this equipment.
Yeah that makes total sense Troyken. If it has a bad vibration or really any vibration I will be doing something like what you describe. Seems like it would be easier on bearings, driveline, etc. Thanks for the suggestion!
I love the old machines, usually the older the better. they are built like army tanks and if you keep them greased they run like a sewing machine. Your hammer mill looks very much like a very old brush chipper I purchased last year. My chipper is mounted on a 4 wheel cart and is very mobile. It chips and shreds stuff I use in my compost piles. Anything that gets pruned or trimmed gets chipped or shredded and reused around this place.
My parents had chickens and a victory garden. I knew what the machine was used for, but did not go near the grinder because the noise scared me. My parents did save money with that grinder. and my Mom and Grandmother used the bags to make my skirts for going to school.
Used one back in the 70's to grind high moisture ear corn and blew it up 50 foot into 14 foot cement stave silo. We used an 1850 gas Oliver tractor with 1000 rpm pto. Unloaded with silo unloader to top dress silage passing on a conveyor headed to the feed bunk for 200 holsteins. Worked good but the hammermill was so loud you needed to wear ear protection.
Looks great Tyler... I wish you were closer, I have a couple sheets of punched steel for making those screens. I made my 1/8" screen for grinding Soybeans into powder, and it works great for grinding hog feed. We had a old Sears and Roebuck hammer mill when I was a kid, and it ran off the pulley belt, and that 60 thats in my shed ground a lot of corn back in the day!
Thanks Brad! I’ve got a lead on some screen with 1/8” holes I think so hopefully it pans out. I do appreciate the thought though! The mill came with two screens that I left at work. One has probably 1/4” holes the other 1/2”. Too big for what I need but at least I have a pattern to go off of. What were you guys feeding with the Sears and Roebuck?
We started out years ago with an IH stationary grinder...very similar. Our drum was about 50% bigger. You may be short on the belt capacity (hp transfer) if you feed too fast. I remember the terror of using that grinder to grind ear corn and wondering when it was going to fly apart! Screen selection is very important. One you use the grinder mixer, you never go back! My grinder/mixer also serves as a storage bin with a feed door for individual buckets. Good luck.
I think the reason some people have a cyclone on theirs is to minimize air-borne dust and reduce both dust in the feed and the risks of static/dust explosions. The cyclone separates the dust from the solids, deposits the solids into the bin and dust into a bag for disposal. It would also have another benefit of effectively allowing more of the ground grains to be put into a bin without dust taking up valuable space.
@@farmertylerranch4399 I don't honestly know, but would suspect wheat since it's a naturally finer grain. If memory serves, it seems that most silo explosions are in wheat or similar structures.
Looks good Tyler. I have an old horse I shred hay for, through a shreader chipper. It then funnels into an old snow blower which blows it into a pro box for storage.
They sell these hammer mills new here in Mexico today. Most are made by the Menonite community in Chihuahua. New the ones about the size to grind a flake of hay cost about $2400 USD. I just got back from Hermosillo and they have one with a 20 inch opening to feed flakes of bales into it to grind. These units have a trailer to pull it on and a Venturi and bag clamps to fill feed sacks. Ready to hook up to your pto.
Good equipment. Ours: flail grinder, we still have grinders for stones on which you can also make flour and crushers that make cereal flakes. A handy farm machine. Good job.
Hammer mill tends to create fines. Mix grain with some silage after milling to control fines. Get an old hopper bottom gravity wagon and elevate hopper over mill hopper.
USEFULL in Mexico still making this kind of hammer mills whe use to grind corn plants after people cut corn plants and gets dry for a month or two some others use adapted in rear of combines or with a tractor or single motor with enough power with 20 hp or more use two kind of curved screens one for corn seeds or other for corn plants.
I love my Troy built 5hp chipper. It would chip grains with its free swinging hammers and the fine screen. It is now 30, runs like new and is used to make mulches from high carbon dry plant stems and leafs.
That’s awesome Don! I can see where a chipper could essentially what a hammer mill does. Great option for folks, especially those that already have one!
Wondering if you could go to your public library & see if they have the info you need. At least that is where we would go before Google (I'm 87 years old)
Yeah I’m not sure if they would have anything like that or not. I’d be better off finding an old timer (term of endearment) that used one that could point me in the right direction. Thanks Chris!
You're a heck of a good fabricator man! Your work looks clean. I'm a bit jealous of the lathe though! Lol. I'm looking forward to seeing her make feed! I'm sure it'll pay for it's self in no time when feeding on your scale.
Thank you Chris that means a lot from you man! The lathe is cool, I’m going to miss it when I start my new job! Yeah I can’t wait to try it out! Thanks again bud!
Our mill, a PayPac from the 1920s which ground 10s of thousands of tons, had a magnet and swinging hammers. The swinging part were just the tips like what you have, but they were free to swing. It's screens were about about twice as wide as yours and we had a 40hp electric motor powering it.
Yeah, I think you are missing the hammers / flails too! Mine are simply a piece of flat bar held to your 4 bar "star", they can pivot somewhat if needed as they work. You will need to get them, and the screen you mentioned which goes in the bottom. I recommend you use a cyclone, and use the whole set-up outside because it is extremely dusty! A day with a breeze is preferred. They make great feed as you said, and you can mix molasses in with your feed, minerals too! FWIW... A good addition to any small farm that can find one still useable...!
Thanks Donald. I have since learned that there are two types- those with swinging hammers like you describe and those with fixed hammers like mine. The swinging hammers are supposed to be better for small grain (like how I plan to use it) so I may try to convert it. Thanks!
Mad fab skills, must have a nice shop, ? Lol. 20 journeyman grade skills and are a farmer/ rancher, much respect! Way to go, great video, great to see those skills being applied in real life situation!
Farmer Tyler Ranch, the primary purpose of that small door is for air control, the secondary purpose is for clean out. During operation you do want as much air as possible to be pulled through the screen from the inlet of the hammer mill to maximize the throughput. Closing that door completely will have all of the air pulled through the screen from the inlet. The problem is the air will take the path of least resistance and the shortest path to the fan. That would result in some of the heavier fraction of what is ground to settle to the pan in the bottom of the hammer mill and just sit there, eventually plugging up the bottom of the the mill. Opening that door slightly will provide for air to be drawn in from that point and sweep across the bottom of the mill pan at high velocity carrying the majority of a product that settles there over to the fan. So the trick is to find that point where you have enough air velocity to carry the product to the fan while still providing as much air being pulled through the screen as possible.
Awesome byronmill that makes sense. Sounds like you’ve done it before! I think I’m just going to need to play with it a bit to find the right settings for what I’m doing but after everyone’s information I now have a better idea of what does what. Thank you for the information!
@@farmertylerranch4399 , I grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin and spent most of my career involved with equipment in the feed and grain industries. My early years were as a welder, fabricator and millwright for a company that manufactured, installed and serviced feed mill equipment, grain handling systems and bulk feed bodies. After that I spent many years as a manufacturer's rep where we representeda multitude of manufacturers of industrial process equipment, including several of the major hammermill manufacturers over the years. We were involved in many hammermill applications for wide variety of products. I would be happy to share some of that knowledge with you if you have questions as you go along. So far from what I can see you've done a lot of things correct with the repairs and upgrades that you have made. As I mentioned in my response to one of the other posts here, you probably would have been better off with a hammermill designed with free swinging hammers than with the fixed hammers in this one, based on your statements that you are basically looking to grind small grains only. But this hammermill should suit your needs for now. If you wish to communicate with me directly please send an email to byronmillsupply@gmail.com.
Awesome Byronmill I really do appreciate it! I’m definitely going to keep your email on file because I’m sure I will have questions along the way. So I wonder if I might be able to convert this to a swinging hammer style? I think I’ll try it as it is just to see how it does first. Again I appreciate your knowledge on this topic and your willingness to share it!
Really nice job fabricating! I am not familiar with hammermills, but it should be fairly easy to do a patent search (If it was patentable), and the design documents you can access would tell you everything you need to know. I remember once looking up info about a MM cornsheller, and they did patent that, so maybe you get lucky.
I was the kid with calloused hands from moving corn from the granary to the millhouse and then feeding one of those things.Good luck.Cows winter just fine on high quality hay.Where’s the bagger?
Take it those aren’t very fond memories?? The feed is going to be for pigs, not cows. Planning to blow it right into another bin so I don’t need to bag it. Thanks C Penn!
Thanks Muskrat it is a pretty neat old thing. Built very well too! Thick metal, even still has original bearings and they roll pretty smooth. Obviously it lasted this long! Excited to try it!
You may want to put an input shaft attached to the bottom of your frame in the center of the frame and use a 100 chain pulley with a 1.5 - 2.0 ration to drive your 'belt' shaft. This speeds up the output , centers the weight, and shortens the PTO
That’s a really good idea! As soon as I read that I could picture it and yes that would work great. If I end up needing more rpm I’ll most likely go that route, or bigger pulley
Yeah that was my first thought too. But it doesn’t give very good access to where I think it would most likely plug? But hell I don’t know. I suppose you’re right it could be both. Thanks Woofy!
Ours was attached to a large tray. We would take corn and dump it on the tray then a flake of alfalfa and feed it in. Then a flake of straw and shove more corn in. If I remember correctly it was a bag of corn half a square bale of alfalfa and half a bale of straw. Loud and dusty!! I never messed with the door you are asking about sorry.
@@farmertylerranch4399 Same hammers ,screen size changes .0.8 mm for very fine corn ,rather go 4mm to 6mm. hay 16mm to 20 mm .Alfalfa/lucerne 25 mm. have found animals seem to choke on fine hay /alfalfa if too dry[dust]... Do you have hammers for this mill? The mills i know have the hammers [short plates] that are able to spin around the bolt .
Farmer Tyler Ranch no they were about the size of disc mower blades but they didn’t have a sharp edge. Just flat rectangle hard steel hammers. About 3/16 or 1/4” wide.
It took an 8” belt to pull it.The mill was under the floor and fed through a hole in the floor.The feed was blown through a 6” pipe to an upright tank that was vented through the roof.We bagged at bottom of tank.We had a choice of several screens.You have to have discharge under full control or you will have one heck of a dust cloud.You may not want to pass up an opportunity to buy a pull behind.
I've used a similar one before. It was mounted in a shed and converted to 220 power, we ground corn with it. Couldn't tell you much about it lol. I do seem to remember it had different screen sizes we could change.There used to be a local company here in my town called Miller manufacturing. Back in the 1930s or so they made hammer mills, before they switch to disk manufacturing they are rare. You might look for Minneapolis Moline message boards or groups on fb. Or find an old timer around you. I'm sure there someone out there that has or could help you with any questions. Can't wait to see it running. Btw do you load train cars at your job. We got in a train to load corn in the other day and two of the cars were full of rice, the train had come from California. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Kory that might be a good way to go, asking an old timer. We don’t load trains but there are three places all within 20 minutes of us that do. I bet it came from one of them. That’s pretty funny what a small world!
you are a very good BYE (backyard engineer) I am a registered, card carrying, certified BYE. (wink) I design, build, repair most anything needed at Laisse-Faire Farm. Laisse-Faire is French for "no government interference" My farm is 90% pulp wood / timber with a homestead nestled in the woods were we grow fruit trees, blueberries, veggies and flowers, some of which we sell. We operate a backyard engineered greenhouse and grow stuff from seeds and root clippings. nothing on the scale of what you do but it provides for our needs and adds a little income to mix. living the good life in the deep south.
Is this the equivalent to a current day bruiser ? Hubby takes the bruiser round farms that need their grain bruised to enable the cattle to digest better. It sounds the same. 🌿💟🌿
You are correct the door is for controlling air flow. Open wider will-cause the largest possible by screen size to be sucked down and up. Less air flow it will grind finer. Mine. You shove or dump partial sacks of grain into hopper or apron, the grain is ground and goes into the cyclone. You select right or left and the bags are held up by hooks or metal triangles sharp enough to catch the bag. When full you thro lever to other bag. The the full bag and install a new bag while your partner keeps feeding the mill. Dusty job but it's a great tired after 50-60 bags.
Keith, you have the effect of the door opening on particle size backwards. Closing the door causes more air to be pulled through the screen from the inlet and extracting the product from the grinding chamber faster meaning it will be ground less fine. Opening the door results in less air being pulled through the screen, meaning the product will stay in the hammermill longer and be ground finer.
byronmill you might be right. I just know on my New Ideal , the one I use, cracking the door results in a line of fine dust blown out onto the ground and my feed is of a finer grind than if I leave it closed. Can't speak for but what I've seen and know. Have a Great day
@@keithmartin7831 , the only New Idea hammer mills I've ever seen were mounted to the back end of a New Idea corn picker. They were used to grind the ear corn as it was being picked. The discharge from the mill was carried away by an auger into the wagon, not by fan system using air to convey the product. The access door at the bottom of a mill would not serve that same purpose if there is no fan. I'm going to assume that's what your arrangement is as you mentioned that when you open the door dust blows out of it. If there was a fan being used to carry the product away there would be a negative pressure inside the mill and it would not blow dust out when the door was open, it would suck air in. The operation of this hammermill wouldn't be the same as yours if it does not have a fan.
byronmill I'm not gonna debate the issue. I grew up using it, it's mounted on a trailer type from that looks factory and the small circular door works like I said. Tell anything you want. I might own the only one in existence idk. But don't call me a liar in your round about way. Go buy your own and then tell me how it works. No fan as you implied. The hammer mill produces air flow How in the hell do you think it gets the ground corn moved. It has a silage blower type fan. You have to have a cyclone or a dedicated grain room that stays closed during operation if you don't want dust and feed everywhere. The smal door has a fine line blown out by the hammer blades. Mine feeds from a table not an overhead hopper. The small door creates more air flow for the chopper type fan. If your not satisfied take a flying ^*%. Have a great day
I used to work at a mill when I was little and, though nothing like what you have, it did have a smaller door (like the round door) and you could slide open the little door and stick a scoop in it and it would catch the flurry of grain so you could tell how much ground you're getting. Kinda like a sight glass. Not saying that's what yours is for, but just a suggestion.
Find a used dust collection cyclone from a wood shop. Just get it clean. Same thing. I've seen some with extra ducting hooked to the extra door. I'll get back to you.
Your really gonna like having that, I've been looking around here for either a hammer mill or a roller mill to crack corn and maybe some oats or something for a feed for my cows and maybe creep for calves. Good work on that think dude, im looking forward to seeing how it works out for you. Have a great day man.
Thanks Brenton I’m really looking forward to using it for the first time. Are they easy to come by up there? I was lucky to find this one they are pretty scarce in this area. I didn’t even think about creep feed that’s a great idea! Thanks again man!
Yea they are kinda tough to come by, if you find one for a reasonable price theyre shot, if you find a nice one they want a fortune for them. There is a feed mill not to far away thatll custom grind your own grain but i dont really have the means to haul it so id like to have something to grind it right on the farm.
I bet you could make one. I’m not sure it might be cost prohibitive but there’s really not a whole lot to them. Dry time consuming but it would be a fun project!
I'm thinking you will need to get air flowing in at the feed hopper. Like put a screen in under the sliding gate so it can pull out from the hammer bin.
Just for your information, Ford made a gearbox with flat pulley that mounted on the PTO shaft of an 8N tractor so farmers could continue to use their old equipment. I suspect other manufacturers did the same.
Very nice work as always. But like others says I think your missing lots of hammers. I remember my uncles hammer mill and it had little hammers on the ends of the arms that ground the feed maybe he ground the feed finer I don't know?
@@farmertylerranch4399 , you are not missing a lot of hammers, what people are noticing is the difference between two different hammermill rotor designs. Your hammermill is built with a fixed hammer rotor. this rotor design is used when the hammer Mill is going to be used for grinding a wide variety of products, some be ground coarsely and some more fine. It can handle input of flakes of hay bale, ear corn, and also small grains. What 12 Ga 00Buck had observed in other mills is a free swinging hammer rotor design. This design uses more rotor plates/arms that have holes in them that a pin slides through. The hammers have a hole, usually at each end, that the pin passes through connecting them to the rotor plates/arms. This arrangement will have a higher count of hammers that are often smaller than the ones used on fixed hammer rotors. This rotor design works better for grinding smaller, more consistent sized input and grinding finer in general. This design will not do very well in steadily grinding hay or ear corn or other fibrous materials, unless designed with a very heavy rotor and a hammer configuration, such as a tub grinder. The free swinging hammers are held in the extended position by centripetal force. Clumps of hay or large chunks of material entering the hammer mill can cause those hammers to fold back from their extended position. This causes metal to metal wear between the pin and the hole in the hammer which over time will cause grooving on the pins and elongation of the holes in the hammers. It sounds like you plan to mostly grind small grains. A free swinging hammer design would have been a little better for your use if that is the case, but this mill will serve your needs. It will be somewhat limited in capacity and will struggle to provide a very fine grind if that is what you want. If you are looking for basically coarse cracking it should work well for that. I have been associated with hammer mills in grinding equipment for the majority of my life. If you want to communicate directly send me an email at byronmillsupply@gmail.com.
I have two a pto driven and a belt drive. My belt drive is on loan to my friend whose same model had a lot of sheet metal rotted away. Using mine for accurate measurements. My pto hammermill is on a trailer has the cyclone bin with bag options for left or right. Then I have an old Gehl. Sold the better one $$$ talk lol
Memories... . Nightmares!!!!! I had one, guessing by the paint and the tag that was on it.. it was a McCormick. I got it with an old Case cyclone with a double bagger on it. Worked good.. I trailer mounted it, ran a PTO shaft and just a pulley..... I believe we ran it 3 to 1. Speed does matter on the hammers, too slow and it shoves chunks through the screen rather than grinding it... Mine didn't have the door on the bottom, can't help you with that 😢 You can get a lot done.... Just can't mix very well. Upgraded to a New Holland grinder/mixer!!! I can grind a little over a ton of oats in about 20-30minutes..
Thanks Ed. The nightmare was...the dust? Noise? Haha yeah I’m concerned it won’t be turning fast enough, I need to test it to verify. Easy enough to fix. Thanks again!
@@farmertylerranch4399 the nightmare was it's small, so it's a little slow (better than nothing!!!!) And we we're trying to mix mainly oats, with some wheat and whatever screenings we had... So, mixing has to be done on the inlet side, for us, making calf feed (too much wheat puts them hooves up😥😢). We would mix in a coffee can of wheat to a few buckets full of oats.. that's where the grinder/mixer is great!!! Pull up to the oat bin, run however much we need, then move to the wheat bin and add a little 😎 by the time we get to the feeders to unload, it's all mixed up evenly. I don't know if you can still find hammers for yours, wheat is pretty hard on them!! So is vetch, raddish seed, but oats is softer, so we get a lot of life out of a set. Something to think about, a good magnet!!! Grinder/mixers have a magnet mounted on the inlet slope, you'd be surprised what you will catch.... And rocks!!! If you spill some grain on the driveway, make sure you get pickup any rocks!!!
I would imagine rice will be tough on them too. It’s very abrasive! Probably can’t find new hammers but they look easy enough to make. A Magnet! Genius! That is such a great idea, thank you! Thanks Ed
@@farmertylerranch4399 any time 😎 Ya, rice will be a bit hard on them... Remember, the hammers are hard material!!! If I remember correctly, I used worn out disc mower blades, cut with an abrasive saw and welded on the existing hammers.. just do your best to keep it balanced, doesn't have to be perfect, but the closer to perfect you can get, the longer everything will last
It work good had different size screens,ground ear corn for the sows and cattle lot of hand and back work every other Saturday..not much fun.have a new Holland mixer mill with augers know.im getting old..
40 pounds are in a bushel rice and 60 pounds in a bushel of wheat by the calculation 100 lb bag times 20 bag bin comes to 2000 pounds you should have 50 bushels in the bin for the rice and the one for the wheat should be 33 bushel in those bins.
A lot less waste!! I ground my hay and grain for my goats and saved over 30%. The goats could not pull loose hay out of the feeder after it was ground. Once feed hits the ground, goats wont eat it. The feed is digested better, too, so they don't need to eat as much.
Farmer Tyler Ranch sure do. csn I post on here ? Ended up making my own screens too. Apparently the #6 mill wasn’t produced long as I found only one pic online. #10 #14 are abundant but mine not so much
Farmer Tyler Ranch I obviously can’t figure out how to send a message or load a pic on my iPhone to TH-cam. As far as the knives go you want about an 1/8 “ clearance between screen n knives. Flail hammers are closer but for obvious reason. Sure you realize they’re reversible, a regular flat washer should be a bout the tolerance you want. Idk how far you’re blowing it but closer you can get to 2300 rpm the better you’ll be. Alfalfa def helps bulk up my feed n protein on hogs n they love it. Mine will do all but 100# shelled corn in 2:00. Ear corn would be a chore but yours won’t think twice. I read the title n hammermill was my first thought. People have lost this part of history n it’s awesome to see come back to life. I really want to get you these pics.
They sell these hammer mills new here in Mexico today. Most are made by the Menonite community in Chihuahua. New the ones about the size to grind a flake of hay cost about $2400 USD. You can see them on the youtube channel Swissmex rapid.
Farmer Tyler Ranch Hey bro, I just got back from Hermosillo and i went by the equipment dealer. Send me your email or phone number and I'll shoot you a whatsapp of the hammer mill i took pictures of and information about how you can get your hands on a brand new one made here by the Mennonite factories. I took pictures and you can contact the dealer or google search the factory and see if they would be willing to sell you one directly.
Well, I ain't doing well. I suffer with a lot. Got worse over the years. Blown up in Vietnam 50 years ago. Taken off the farm via the draft to fight in a schitt-hole country. Not complaining, but ya asked. Best to ya pardner. Eaglegards...
I made a boom pole like yours after that video you made I really appreciate it man helps out a lot i use it all the time I set some 14 ft telephone poles for pole barn the other day you can't do that with a store bought boom
The one we had on our farm in the 50's was driven by a belt which was run off of the belt pulley, not the flywheel. The belt would have been 6 or 7 inches wide.
I was wondering that too. There’s all those square holes on the end of the hammers that look like something bolts to them. But there’s not very much clearance between the hammers and screens as it is so I don’t know. Need to keep digging I guess. Thanks BTO!
@@farmertylerranch4399 I happen to know where a John Deere hammer mill is setting, lol .... I think it is a smaller diameter, but I'm almost positive it has swinging knives on it , look about the same as the chopper knives in my 7720 combine , and it had different size holes in the screens too , now the hole your talking about at the bottom, this one has a shaft and bearing, idk maybe a shaft to run the blower ? It's been 45 years since I remember it being used , dad and grandpa used to have hog's 😉
Thanks BTO. See I was told the knives or sickle blades were for chopping/grinding hay and you could remove them for grinding grain. But this is all new to me and only one person told me that (guy I got it from) so I don’t know. I’m just going to search for every picture of a hammer mill I can find and see what I can learn! Oddly enough, every picture I was able to dig up of a Minneapolis Moline had hammers that look just like mine with that square hole in the end. I will figure this out!
Tyler my stationary is a McCormick DEERING BUT THE MANUAL SAYS Farmall could be same machinery just later date on manual. My trailer one is a New Ideal
Bwahahahaha. In the beginning when pointing at the Ford I thought he was going to say "don't spend the same money on a truck you could buy a house for"
What a coincidence , my dad worked for the county where I grew up in Iowa, while we farmed as well. He has since gone to be with the Lord, but he gave them 35 years before retiring. All the while still farming.
I really like how you run a business. I started and sold 3 business and took 3 public. You are very smart and really care about your stock. Your grandfather would be very proud of you. You could make over 100 grand as a welder. Hope you get to a million followers. Neal
Lots of really good comments, I love watching you make use of the items it amazes me that you can build onto a machine from 1940
I've never seen inside one of these before. Looks like a really bad-ass lawn de-thatcher.
Nice job Tyler. A small farmer has to do what they can to keep any costs down.
The door in the bottom is to keep the material in bottom from stopping up the transfer chute to the discharge fan. If you shut it off it will pull too much material up to the discharge fan.
We always called them hammer mills. They usually came with a series of screens for everything from cracked corn to nearly flour. I hope you find and buy a number of screens as you will find more uses of varied sizes of product. I
Saw alot of MM tractors growing up, never saw MM hammermill. Brought back many memories of the old tractors with the 5" belt rolled in figure 8 to keep it from jumping plus 2 metal stakes as a precaution to keep it straight. If I was still in technical training arena, I would want you as a lead SME (subject matter expert), you would be a natural. Good video & explanation Tyler.
Thanks Allan. See I just learned something I thought they twisted the belt just to reverse the rotation. But the extent of my experience is just watching a couple videos! I appreciate the compliment thank you!
Nice seeing a piece of history brought back to life.
I'm not mechanically inclined but you make this type of video so easily understood and interesting, thanks!
I’m glad you enjoyed it Jean! Thanks for all your support!
What a great farmer , always doing the chores on the farm work with the Healthy animals. Getting the supplies together that will work out.
Hey Tyler. The intake to the mill should have a magnet to catch tramp metal before grinding. Put it on a hinge and it is easy to clean.
Yes someone else mentioned that too and it’s a really good idea. I’ll have to rig something up before I use it too much. Thanks Robert
A line of "hardware" magnets should do the job but the new Neo magnets are several orders more effective.
Nice metal work. Worked in a sheet metal shop about 50 years ago but for only about a year. You are correct, very complicated math. Good job.
Thanks Ben I appreciate that! I was pretty happy with how the elbow came out but I’ll tell you I would not want to make another one!
I purchased a Gehl tankless 14 in hammer mill at a auction for $5. The 24 in pulley was broken but all the pars where there I spent $50 in brass rods to weld it back together and two weeks of time. It’s a great for grinding most anything.
That is an awesome deal!!! Hammer mills are great they open a lot of doors for feeding options
Tyler-
This is a great idea, I have done this same project. I definitely save money by grinding and mixing my self. I grind hole kernel off the cob and do not run a screen. I found a screen made it to fine for cattle. Over the years I set this up several different ways to make things easier. The best way I found for me is the hammer mill on the front of a trailer and a holding tank/hopper on the rear. The feed blows from the mill into the sacker (cyclone) then falls into the hopper. The old timers tell me the sacker/cyclone help pull the feed up from the blower creating a vacuum. Although I’m sure over a short distance it will be fine. The entire unit can be pulled in an out of the shed and kept out of the way when not in use. We call it the rat rod feed grinder. I use a 30hp farmall H on it. I have plenty of pictures from my build if they would help you, I can email them to you. Good luck, great channel!
Jeff from Missouri
Sounds like a good setup! I thought about putting mine on a trailer but opted for a three point frame so I don’t have to mess with tires going flat, sun damage etc. I’d love to see the pictures if you don’t mind sending them!
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Thanks Jeff!
That’s just what you need for the farm. My granddaddy grew a bunch of stuff and made his own feed for all the animals. I forgot what you call the machine but it had a slim vertical window so you could see how much was in there. Really nice 👍
Thanks Wendy I’m excited to give it a whirl! The old timers really knew how to do for themselves, I’m trying to be more like that! Seems like these days people just buy what they need to have or pay someone to do what they need done! I’m going backwards I guess!
The inside of that mill looks pretty similar to my Troy-Bilt Tomahawk chipper. Maybe that would be an option for someone looking for a smaller self-powered machine.
If you're having trouble getting enough speed, you could always do another stage of pulleys. Either way, nice fab work Tyler!
Thank you very much. As a matter of fact one of my hay customers uses a wood chipper to grind his hay and says it works great! So yeah I think that’s definitely an option if someone is not too particular about the size in the end. Great idea! Thanks!
Wow,you doing a amazing job. Keep it up , I enjoy watching those lovely videos and those healthy animals.
I grew up on a 40 head dairy farm through the 70s and 80s. We had a hammermill for grinding ear corn
Thanks for the video you did an excellent job fabricating it. Hope you're having a great day. Can't wait to see it in action.
Thanks Eric, I can’t wait to try it out!
Cool tool Tyler !! After the yellow paint and fixing it up! Would really like to see it in action !! Thanks again for your info and time!! Be safe !
Thanks JR! Yeah I want to paint it up so it looks pretty! Can’t wait to try it out!
If my experience with a small chipper shredder is of any value to you, the best thing I did was to balance the flails and chipper blades. For the flails, I weighed them and either ground them or added braze material until they were all the same. For the blades,I added washers under the blade nuts as needed to achieve balance. It now runs smoothly, doesn't rattle and works great. Maybe you can do the same thing on this equipment.
Yeah that makes total sense Troyken. If it has a bad vibration or really any vibration I will be doing something like what you describe. Seems like it would be easier on bearings, driveline, etc. Thanks for the suggestion!
I love the old machines, usually the older the better. they are built like army tanks and if you keep them greased they run like a sewing machine. Your hammer mill looks very much like a very old brush chipper I purchased last year. My chipper is mounted on a 4 wheel cart and is very mobile. It chips and shreds stuff I use in my compost piles. Anything that gets pruned or trimmed gets chipped or shredded and reused around this place.
Smart idea, you are very mindful of your work, good job
Thank you very much Cora!
My parents had chickens and a victory garden. I knew what the machine was used for, but did not go near the grinder because the noise scared me. My parents did save money with that grinder. and my Mom and Grandmother used the bags to make my skirts for going to school.
Yeah I don’t like to stand near it while it’s running!
Used one back in the 70's to grind high moisture ear corn and blew it up 50 foot into 14 foot cement stave silo. We used an 1850 gas Oliver tractor with 1000 rpm pto. Unloaded with silo unloader to top dress silage passing on a conveyor headed to the feed bunk for 200 holsteins. Worked good but the hammermill was so loud you needed to wear ear protection.
Wow it would blow it up that high? That’s impressive. I bet it’s going to be loud. And dusty!
Nice looking old hammer mill. Looking forward to seeing it in action. Stay safe.
Thanks Crslyrn! Me too!
Looks great Tyler... I wish you were closer, I have a couple sheets of punched steel for making those screens. I made my 1/8" screen for grinding Soybeans into powder, and it works great for grinding hog feed. We had a old Sears and Roebuck hammer mill when I was a kid, and it ran off the pulley belt, and that 60 thats in my shed ground a lot of corn back in the day!
Thanks Brad! I’ve got a lead on some screen with 1/8” holes I think so hopefully it pans out. I do appreciate the thought though! The mill came with two screens that I left at work. One has probably 1/4” holes the other 1/2”. Too big for what I need but at least I have a pattern to go off of. What were you guys feeding with the Sears and Roebuck?
Beautiful fab work
Thank you very much! It took a little while but I was happy with the end result. Fun to do...one time anyway! Thanks again
We started out years ago with an IH stationary grinder...very similar. Our drum was about 50% bigger. You may be short on the belt capacity (hp transfer) if you feed too fast. I remember the terror of using that grinder to grind ear corn and wondering when it was going to fly apart! Screen selection is very important. One you use the grinder mixer, you never go back! My grinder/mixer also serves as a storage bin with a feed door for individual buckets. Good luck.
Yeah I don’t want to be standing near it when it’s going, I know I have to, but like you say it’s probably a bit nerve racking! Thanks Geiger Farm!
Keep doing what you do !! Love watching
Thanks Vern!
I think the reason some people have a cyclone on theirs is to minimize air-borne dust and reduce both dust in the feed and the risks of static/dust explosions. The cyclone separates the dust from the solids, deposits the solids into the bin and dust into a bag for disposal. It would also have another benefit of effectively allowing more of the ground grains to be put into a bin without dust taking up valuable space.
True, good point thanks Chuck. What makes the most explosive dust? Corn or wheat?
@@farmertylerranch4399 I don't honestly know, but would suspect wheat since it's a naturally finer grain. If memory serves, it seems that most silo explosions are in wheat or similar structures.
Don't know how well your mill will work, but I am impressed with your metal working ability.
Thank you Seagull!
Another informative video. Nicely done.
Thank you!
Looks good Tyler. I have an old horse I shred hay for, through a shreader chipper. It then funnels into an old snow blower which blows it into a pro box for storage.
Nice! Thanks Martin!
They sell these hammer mills new here in Mexico today. Most are made by the Menonite community in Chihuahua. New the ones about the size to grind a flake of hay cost about $2400 USD. I just got back from Hermosillo and they have one with a 20 inch opening to feed flakes of bales into it to grind. These units have a trailer to pull it on and a Venturi and bag clamps to fill feed sacks. Ready to hook up to your pto.
that sounds like what we used to call a field chopper, hay corn, whatever.
@@g.r.4853 go to the TH-cam channel swissmex rapid
Good equipment. Ours: flail grinder, we still have grinders for stones on which you can also make flour and crushers that make cereal flakes. A handy farm machine. Good job.
Thanks Ra Wa! I’ve been told with the proper screen this one will make flour as well. Thank you for watching
@@farmertylerranch4399 How can I make flour and kernel is a great machine.
nice video good job thanks for sharing hugs from Ontario Canada
Thank you Tammy sorry there were no cows in this one!
@@farmertylerranch4399 i will live lol
Great job on the fabrication work! A coat of paint, and it will look like new!!
Oh yeah definitely have to paint it! Thanks DFF!
Hammer mill tends to create fines. Mix grain with some silage after milling to control fines. Get an old hopper bottom gravity wagon and elevate hopper over mill hopper.
Thanks Brad good to know!
USEFULL in Mexico still making this kind of hammer mills whe use to grind corn plants after people cut corn plants and gets dry for a month or two some others use adapted in rear of combines or with a tractor or single motor with enough power with 20 hp or more use two kind of curved screens one for corn seeds or other for corn plants.
I love my Troy built 5hp chipper. It would chip grains with its free swinging hammers and the fine screen. It is now 30, runs like new and is used to make mulches from high carbon dry plant stems and leafs.
That’s awesome Don! I can see where a chipper could essentially what a hammer mill does. Great option for folks, especially those that already have one!
We have grinder mixers just like that only they have 125 bushel tanks on them. Also they have unloading augers. Another good video grasshopper.
Nice Tom what do you grind with them? Next time you use it I want to see a video! Glad you liked it, thanks!
Wondering if you could go to your public library & see if they have the info you need. At least that is where we would go before Google (I'm 87 years old)
Yeah I’m not sure if they would have anything like that or not. I’d be better off finding an old timer (term of endearment) that used one that could point me in the right direction. Thanks Chris!
You're a heck of a good fabricator man! Your work looks clean. I'm a bit jealous of the lathe though! Lol. I'm looking forward to seeing her make feed! I'm sure it'll pay for it's self in no time when feeding on your scale.
Thank you Chris that means a lot from you man! The lathe is cool, I’m going to miss it when I start my new job! Yeah I can’t wait to try it out! Thanks again bud!
@@farmertylerranch4399 Perhaps you stated this in a video I missed.. You're switching jobs??
No I didn’t mention it in any videos. I’m going to be an Agricultural Biologist for the county, which probably sounds fancier than it really is!
Our mill, a PayPac from the 1920s which ground 10s of thousands of tons, had a magnet and swinging hammers. The swinging part were just the tips like what you have, but they were free to swing. It's screens were about about twice as wide as yours and we had a 40hp electric motor powering it.
Dang 40 hp electric that’s the real deal! Thanks Rod!
Door is air adjustment n also a clean out. What make n model is your machine ? You can also on most switch your blower n duct to the other side.
Ok that’s kind of what I was thinking on the door. Mine is a Minneapolis Moline MHD.
Yeah, I think you are missing the hammers / flails too! Mine are simply a piece of flat bar held to your 4 bar "star", they can pivot somewhat if needed as they work. You will need to get them, and the screen you mentioned which goes in the bottom. I recommend you use a cyclone, and use the whole set-up outside because it is extremely dusty! A day with a breeze is preferred. They make great feed as you said, and you can mix molasses in with your feed, minerals too! FWIW... A good addition to any small farm that can find one still useable...!
Thanks Donald. I have since learned that there are two types- those with swinging hammers like you describe and those with fixed hammers like mine. The swinging hammers are supposed to be better for small grain (like how I plan to use it) so I may try to convert it. Thanks!
Mad fab skills, must have a nice shop, ? Lol. 20 journeyman grade skills and are a farmer/ rancher, much respect! Way to go, great video, great to see those skills being applied in real life situation!
Thank you Alan! Yeah can’t complain about the shop. I’m glad you liked it! I appreciate the kind words Alan!
Farmer Tyler Ranch, the primary purpose of that small door is for air control, the secondary purpose is for clean out.
During operation you do want as much air as possible to be pulled through the screen from the inlet of the hammer mill to maximize the throughput. Closing that door completely will have all of the air pulled through the screen from the inlet.
The problem is the air will take the path of least resistance and the shortest path to the fan. That would result in some of the heavier fraction of what is ground to settle to the pan in the bottom of the hammer mill and just sit there, eventually plugging up the bottom of the the mill. Opening that door slightly will provide for air to be drawn in from that point and sweep across the bottom of the mill pan at high velocity carrying the majority of a product that settles there over to the fan. So the trick is to find that point where you have enough air velocity to carry the product to the fan while still providing as much air being pulled through the screen as possible.
Awesome byronmill that makes sense. Sounds like you’ve done it before! I think I’m just going to need to play with it a bit to find the right settings for what I’m doing but after everyone’s information I now have a better idea of what does what. Thank you for the information!
@@farmertylerranch4399 , I grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin and spent most of my career involved with equipment in the feed and grain industries. My early years were as a welder, fabricator and millwright for a company that manufactured, installed and serviced feed mill equipment, grain handling systems and bulk feed bodies. After that I spent many years as a manufacturer's rep where we representeda multitude of manufacturers of industrial process equipment, including several of the major hammermill manufacturers over the years. We were involved in many hammermill applications for wide variety of products.
I would be happy to share some of that knowledge with you if you have questions as you go along. So far from what I can see you've done a lot of things correct with the repairs and upgrades that you have made. As I mentioned in my response to one of the other posts here, you probably would have been better off with a hammermill designed with free swinging hammers than with the fixed hammers in this one, based on your statements that you are basically looking to grind small grains only. But this hammermill should suit your needs for now.
If you wish to communicate with me directly please send an email to byronmillsupply@gmail.com.
Awesome Byronmill I really do appreciate it! I’m definitely going to keep your email on file because I’m sure I will have questions along the way. So I wonder if I might be able to convert this to a swinging hammer style? I think I’ll try it as it is just to see how it does first. Again I appreciate your knowledge on this topic and your willingness to share it!
Really nice job fabricating!
I am not familiar with hammermills, but it should be fairly easy to do a patent search (If it was patentable), and the design documents you can access would tell you everything you need to know. I remember once looking up info about a MM cornsheller, and they did patent that, so maybe you get lucky.
Thank you very much! I hadn’t thought of a patent search that’s a great idea. Thanks Piranha!
I was the kid with calloused hands from moving corn from the granary to the millhouse and then feeding one of those things.Good luck.Cows winter just fine on high quality hay.Where’s the bagger?
Take it those aren’t very fond memories?? The feed is going to be for pigs, not cows. Planning to blow it right into another bin so I don’t need to bag it. Thanks C Penn!
I've never seen one like that, but I have ground grain with both a hammer mill and a roller mill.....
Cool!
Thanks Muskrat it is a pretty neat old thing. Built very well too! Thick metal, even still has original bearings and they roll pretty smooth. Obviously it lasted this long! Excited to try it!
You may want to put an input shaft attached to the bottom of your frame in the center of the frame and use a 100 chain pulley with a 1.5 - 2.0 ration to drive your 'belt' shaft. This speeds up the output , centers the weight, and shortens the PTO
That’s a really good idea! As soon as I read that I could picture it and yes that would work great. If I end up needing more rpm I’ll most likely go that route, or bigger pulley
I knew it was a grinder. Wonderful for corn, but you are going to use it for rice. I was born in 1943 and my family had one for corn for chickens.
i'm thinking it could be a clean out door too as well as a possible air control vent .
Yeah that was my first thought too. But it doesn’t give very good access to where I think it would most likely plug? But hell I don’t know. I suppose you’re right it could be both. Thanks Woofy!
@@farmertylerranch4399 One would think there would be some way to clean out the bottom of the mill to keep it some what clean .
You got a point there!
It could be about air flow control, but also as a clean out. I’m wondering if that’s a smaller version of a thresher for wheat.
Ours was attached to a large tray. We would take corn and dump it on the tray then a flake of alfalfa and feed it in. Then a flake of straw and shove more corn in. If I remember correctly it was a bag of corn half a square bale of alfalfa and half a bale of straw. Loud and dusty!!
I never messed with the door you are asking about sorry.
Thanks Hay Man yeah this one actually came with the tray too. I figured it was for hay. When you milled Hay did you put sickle blades on the hammers?
@@farmertylerranch4399 Same hammers ,screen size changes .0.8 mm for very fine corn ,rather go 4mm to 6mm. hay 16mm to 20 mm .Alfalfa/lucerne 25 mm. have found animals seem to choke on fine hay /alfalfa if too dry[dust]... Do you have hammers for this mill? The mills i know have the hammers [short plates] that are able to spin around the bolt .
Farmer Tyler Ranch no they were about the size of disc mower blades but they didn’t have a sharp edge. Just flat rectangle hard steel hammers. About 3/16 or 1/4” wide.
Always something new on the ranch! 🔧⚙️
It took an 8” belt to pull it.The mill was under the floor and fed through a hole in the floor.The feed was blown through a 6” pipe to an upright tank that was vented through the roof.We bagged at bottom of tank.We had a choice of several screens.You have to have discharge under full control or you will have one heck of a dust cloud.You may not want to pass up an opportunity to buy a pull behind.
Yeah I’m sure the dust is killer. I’ve got an idea of how I’ll rig it up. Time will tell if it works!
I've used a similar one before. It was mounted in a shed and converted to 220 power, we ground corn with it. Couldn't tell you much about it lol. I do seem to remember it had different screen sizes we could change.There used to be a local company here in my town called Miller manufacturing. Back in the 1930s or so they made hammer mills, before they switch to disk manufacturing they are rare. You might look for Minneapolis Moline message boards or groups on fb. Or find an old timer around you. I'm sure there someone out there that has or could help you with any questions. Can't wait to see it running. Btw do you load train cars at your job. We got in a train to load corn in the other day and two of the cars were full of rice, the train had come from California. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Kory that might be a good way to go, asking an old timer. We don’t load trains but there are three places all within 20 minutes of us that do. I bet it came from one of them. That’s pretty funny what a small world!
You did a great job I do like how you been working on it
Thank you! I’m really hoping to finally test it this week
you are a very good BYE (backyard engineer) I am a registered, card carrying, certified BYE. (wink) I design, build, repair most anything needed at Laisse-Faire Farm. Laisse-Faire is French for "no government interference" My farm is 90% pulp wood / timber with a homestead nestled in the woods were we grow fruit trees, blueberries, veggies and flowers, some of which we sell. We operate a backyard engineered greenhouse and grow stuff from seeds and root clippings. nothing on the scale of what you do but it provides for our needs and adds a little income to mix. living the good life in the deep south.
Is this the equivalent to a current day bruiser ? Hubby takes the bruiser round farms that need their grain bruised to enable the cattle to digest better. It sounds the same. 🌿💟🌿
Never heard of a bruiser but sounds like the same idea!
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You are correct the door is for controlling air flow. Open wider will-cause the largest possible by screen size to be sucked down and up. Less air flow it will grind finer. Mine. You shove or dump partial sacks of grain into hopper or apron, the grain is ground and goes into the cyclone. You select right or left and the bags are held up by hooks or metal triangles sharp enough to catch the bag. When full you thro lever to other bag. The the full bag and install a new bag while your partner keeps feeding the mill. Dusty job but it's a great tired after 50-60 bags.
Awesome thank you Keith! Damn you got a pretty nice little set up there!
Keith, you have the effect of the door opening on particle size backwards. Closing the door causes more air to be pulled through the screen from the inlet and extracting the product from the grinding chamber faster meaning it will be ground less fine. Opening the door results in less air being pulled through the screen, meaning the product will stay in the hammermill longer and be ground finer.
byronmill you might be right. I just know on my New Ideal , the one I use, cracking the door results in a line of fine dust blown out onto the ground and my feed is of a finer grind than if I leave it closed. Can't speak for but what I've seen and know. Have a Great day
@@keithmartin7831 , the only New Idea hammer mills I've ever seen were mounted to the back end of a New Idea corn picker. They were used to grind the ear corn as it was being picked. The discharge from the mill was carried away by an auger into the wagon, not by fan system using air to convey the product. The access door at the bottom of a mill would not serve that same purpose if there is no fan.
I'm going to assume that's what your arrangement is as you mentioned that when you open the door dust blows out of it. If there was a fan being used to carry the product away there would be a negative pressure inside the mill and it would not blow dust out when the door was open, it would suck air in.
The operation of this hammermill wouldn't be the same as yours if it does not have a fan.
byronmill I'm not gonna debate the issue. I grew up using it, it's mounted on a trailer type from that looks factory and the small circular door works like I said. Tell anything you want. I might own the only one in existence idk. But don't call me a liar in your round about way. Go buy your own and then tell me how it works. No fan as you implied. The hammer mill produces air flow How in the hell do you think it gets the ground corn moved. It has a silage blower type fan. You have to have a cyclone or a dedicated grain room that stays closed during operation if you don't want dust and feed everywhere. The smal door has a fine line blown out by the hammer blades. Mine feeds from a table not an overhead hopper. The small door creates more air flow for the chopper type fan. If your not satisfied take a flying ^*%. Have a great day
I used to work at a mill when I was little and, though nothing like what you have, it did have a smaller door (like the round door) and you could slide open the little door and stick a scoop in it and it would catch the flurry of grain so you could tell how much ground you're getting. Kinda like a sight glass. Not saying that's what yours is for, but just a suggestion.
Hmm ok that makes sense. Kind of a way to monitor how good of a job it’s doing basically. Thanks Pitts Chapel Farm!
@@farmertylerranch4399 I don't really know what it was for. I just did like I was told.
Haha no problem I been there!
Find a used dust collection cyclone from a wood shop. Just get it clean. Same thing. I've seen some with extra ducting hooked to the extra door. I'll get back to you.
Good idea thanks Fred!
I think the door is just for easy cleaning. There are much better ways to control the flow.
Your really gonna like having that, I've been looking around here for either a hammer mill or a roller mill to crack corn and maybe some oats or something for a feed for my cows and maybe creep for calves. Good work on that think dude, im looking forward to seeing how it works out for you. Have a great day man.
Thanks Brenton I’m really looking forward to using it for the first time. Are they easy to come by up there? I was lucky to find this one they are pretty scarce in this area. I didn’t even think about creep feed that’s a great idea! Thanks again man!
Yea they are kinda tough to come by, if you find one for a reasonable price theyre shot, if you find a nice one they want a fortune for them. There is a feed mill not to far away thatll custom grind your own grain but i dont really have the means to haul it so id like to have something to grind it right on the farm.
I bet you could make one. I’m not sure it might be cost prohibitive but there’s really not a whole lot to them. Dry time consuming but it would be a fun project!
The hole could be a clean out access for anytime you have a jam
Yeah a lot of people are saying that. And air control. I think it’s dual purpose now myself. Thanks Davis!
I'm thinking you will need to get air flowing in at the feed hopper. Like put a screen in under the sliding gate so it can pull out from the hammer bin.
Maybe. I’ll have to try it out, I’m sure there will be plenty of trial and error. Thanks Phil!
Man, what a gem you got. Back in my village in south india, we used to have these run by kerosene engine to mill wheat , rice , barley
Nice! They really do a great job especially considering how simple of a design they are
Just for your information, Ford made a gearbox with flat pulley that mounted on the PTO shaft of an 8N tractor so farmers could continue to use their old equipment. I suspect other manufacturers did the same.
Yes that rings a bell I read that somewhere I think. Thanks flick!
Had a case hammill.shovel a lot of ear corn when I was young. Ran it with a farmall m...
Nice Mark, how did it do?
Very nice work as always. But like others says I think your missing lots of hammers. I remember my uncles hammer mill and it had little hammers on the ends of the arms that ground the feed maybe he ground the feed finer I don't know?
Ok you guys got me thinking I need to do some more digging. Thanks for the tip 12 Ga 00Buck! I’m new to these things so I need all the help I can get!
@@farmertylerranch4399 , you are not missing a lot of hammers, what people are noticing is the difference between two different hammermill rotor designs.
Your hammermill is built with a fixed hammer rotor. this rotor design is used when the hammer Mill is going to be used for grinding a wide variety of products, some be ground coarsely and some more fine. It can handle input of flakes of hay bale, ear corn, and also small grains.
What 12 Ga 00Buck had observed in other mills is a free swinging hammer rotor design. This design uses more rotor plates/arms that have holes in them that a pin slides through. The hammers have a hole, usually at each end, that the pin passes through connecting them to the rotor plates/arms. This arrangement will have a higher count of hammers that are often smaller than the ones used on fixed hammer rotors.
This rotor design works better for grinding smaller, more consistent sized input and grinding finer in general. This design will not do very well in steadily grinding hay or ear corn or other fibrous materials, unless designed with a very heavy rotor and a hammer configuration, such as a tub grinder. The free swinging hammers are held in the extended position by centripetal force. Clumps of hay or large chunks of material entering the hammer mill can cause those hammers to fold back from their extended position. This causes metal to metal wear between the pin and the hole in the hammer which over time will cause grooving on the pins and elongation of the holes in the hammers.
It sounds like you plan to mostly grind small grains. A free swinging hammer design would have been a little better for your use if that is the case, but this mill will serve your needs. It will be somewhat limited in capacity and will struggle to provide a very fine grind if that is what you want. If you are looking for basically coarse cracking it should work well for that.
I have been associated with hammer mills in grinding equipment for the majority of my life. If you want to communicate directly send me an email at byronmillsupply@gmail.com.
I have two a pto driven and a belt drive. My belt drive is on loan to my friend whose same model had a lot of sheet metal rotted away. Using mine for accurate measurements. My pto hammermill is on a trailer has the cyclone bin with bag options for left or right. Then I have an old Gehl. Sold the better one $$$ talk lol
Oh nice Keith! Do you know what the little door is for on the bottom?
Keep up the good work love your videos
Alright man I’m glad you like them! I appreciate you watching!
I ran one just about like that one, made/sold by Sears back in '47-'64, yep I'm a ole timer....
That’s going to work awesome!
Thanks Jesse I hope so!
Memories... . Nightmares!!!!!
I had one, guessing by the paint and the tag that was on it.. it was a McCormick. I got it with an old Case cyclone with a double bagger on it. Worked good..
I trailer mounted it, ran a PTO shaft and just a pulley..... I believe we ran it 3 to 1. Speed does matter on the hammers, too slow and it shoves chunks through the screen rather than grinding it... Mine didn't have the door on the bottom, can't help you with that 😢
You can get a lot done.... Just can't mix very well. Upgraded to a New Holland grinder/mixer!!! I can grind a little over a ton of oats in about 20-30minutes..
Thanks Ed. The nightmare was...the dust? Noise? Haha yeah I’m concerned it won’t be turning fast enough, I need to test it to verify. Easy enough to fix. Thanks again!
@@farmertylerranch4399 the nightmare was it's small, so it's a little slow (better than nothing!!!!)
And we we're trying to mix mainly oats, with some wheat and whatever screenings we had... So, mixing has to be done on the inlet side, for us, making calf feed (too much wheat puts them hooves up😥😢). We would mix in a coffee can of wheat to a few buckets full of oats.. that's where the grinder/mixer is great!!! Pull up to the oat bin, run however much we need, then move to the wheat bin and add a little 😎 by the time we get to the feeders to unload, it's all mixed up evenly.
I don't know if you can still find hammers for yours, wheat is pretty hard on them!! So is vetch, raddish seed, but oats is softer, so we get a lot of life out of a set.
Something to think about, a good magnet!!! Grinder/mixers have a magnet mounted on the inlet slope, you'd be surprised what you will catch.... And rocks!!! If you spill some grain on the driveway, make sure you get pickup any rocks!!!
I would imagine rice will be tough on them too. It’s very abrasive! Probably can’t find new hammers but they look easy enough to make. A Magnet! Genius! That is such a great idea, thank you! Thanks Ed
@@farmertylerranch4399 any time 😎
Ya, rice will be a bit hard on them...
Remember, the hammers are hard material!!! If I remember correctly, I used worn out disc mower blades, cut with an abrasive saw and welded on the existing hammers.. just do your best to keep it balanced, doesn't have to be perfect, but the closer to perfect you can get, the longer everything will last
It work good had different size screens,ground ear corn for the sows and cattle lot of hand and back work every other Saturday..not much fun.have a new Holland mixer mill with augers know.im getting old..
Haha thanks Mark!
40 pounds are in a bushel rice and 60 pounds in a bushel of wheat by the calculation 100 lb bag times 20 bag bin comes to 2000 pounds you should have 50 bushels in the bin for the rice and the one for the wheat should be 33 bushel in those bins.
Alright thank you Roger I knew someone would know! It gets confusing doesn’t it? What’s a bushel of corn?
@@farmertylerranch4399 56 lbs / bu
56 pounds to a bushel of shelled corn you can get a weight sheet which will tell you pounds to a bushel.
A lot less waste!! I ground my hay and grain for my goats and saved over 30%. The goats could not pull loose hay out of the feeder after it was ground. Once feed hits the ground, goats wont eat it. The feed is digested better, too, so they don't need to eat as much.
Awesome! I never considered that aspect but makes total sense. Thanks Kbbacon!
It's a clean out door if your grain is high mosture and you try to blow it to far it will plug the blower chute
Thanks Mike!
Awesome video. Just restored a John Deere #6 hammermill. Put a 5hp motor on it.
Nice! Thank you. Do you have a picture?
Farmer Tyler Ranch sure do. csn I post on here ? Ended up making my own screens too. Apparently the #6 mill wasn’t produced long as I found only one pic online. #10 #14 are abundant but mine not so much
Yeah post if it will let you!
Farmer Tyler Ranch I obviously can’t figure out how to send a message or load a pic on my iPhone to TH-cam. As far as the knives go you want about an 1/8 “ clearance between screen n knives. Flail hammers are closer but for obvious reason. Sure you realize they’re reversible, a regular flat washer should be a bout the tolerance you want. Idk how far you’re blowing it but closer you can get to 2300 rpm the better you’ll be. Alfalfa def helps bulk up my feed n protein on hogs n they love it. Mine will do all but 100# shelled corn in 2:00. Ear corn would be a chore but yours won’t think twice. I read the title n hammermill was my first thought. People have lost this part of history n it’s awesome to see come back to life. I really want to get you these pics.
Farmer Tyler Ranch there’s a new holland #10 on craigslist currently for decent price. I think I might be starting a collection....
They sell these hammer mills new here in Mexico today. Most are made by the Menonite community in Chihuahua. New the ones about the size to grind a flake of hay cost about $2400 USD. You can see them on the youtube channel Swissmex rapid.
Nice. Thanks Jimmy! Didn’t know there were Menonites in Mexico haha!
@@farmertylerranch4399 I would like to do a video about hammer Mills that are available here. How to purchase them and from whom.
Do it!
Farmer Tyler Ranch Hey bro, I just got back from Hermosillo and i went by the equipment dealer. Send me your email or phone number and I'll shoot you a whatsapp of the hammer mill i took pictures of and information about how you can get your hands on a brand new one made here by the Mennonite factories. I took pictures and you can contact the dealer or google search the factory and see if they would be willing to sell you one directly.
That would be great and save money from buying bags of food. You have many animals on your farm so that machine makes sense.
A great device to save $$. How do you mix the ground sources together for the final receipe?
Thanks BC. Currently I measure out the daily ration in a bucket and mix it up by hand. But I’m working on a way to simplify that as well.
Nice metal work
Thank you very much! It was fun to do but wouldn’t want to make another duct elbow anytime soon!
I would think that little door is to clean it out if it was to plug up or clean it out after use
It could definitely be used for that as well. I’m thinking it’s multi purpose! Thanks Logan!
I agree with Logan. To me, your air will come in thru the opening where your grain comes in. That access hole on the bottom is to clean out.:)
Well, I ain't doing well. I suffer with a lot. Got worse over the years. Blown up in Vietnam 50 years ago. Taken off the farm via the draft to fight in a schitt-hole country. Not complaining, but ya asked. Best to ya pardner. Eaglegards...
I made a boom pole like yours after that video you made I really appreciate it man helps out a lot i use it all the time I set some 14 ft telephone poles for pole barn the other day you can't do that with a store bought boom
The one we had on our farm in the 50's was driven by a belt which was run off of the belt pulley, not the flywheel. The belt would have been 6 or 7 inches wide.
Yes I misspoke that’s what I meant. Belt Pulley. Thanks Oldsloane
Idk Tyler , I think you might be missing some knives or hammers on your mill ? Good job fabricating !!👍
I was wondering that too. There’s all those square holes on the end of the hammers that look like something bolts to them. But there’s not very much clearance between the hammers and screens as it is so I don’t know. Need to keep digging I guess. Thanks BTO!
Probably for flails that would bolt to the ends of the hammers. They act like whips.
I get what you’re saying. I need a picture though, off to Google!
@@farmertylerranch4399 I happen to know where a John Deere hammer mill is setting, lol .... I think it is a smaller diameter, but I'm almost positive it has swinging knives on it , look about the same as the chopper knives in my 7720 combine , and it had different size holes in the screens too , now the hole your talking about at the bottom, this one has a shaft and bearing, idk maybe a shaft to run the blower ? It's been 45 years since I remember it being used , dad and grandpa used to have hog's 😉
Thanks BTO. See I was told the knives or sickle blades were for chopping/grinding hay and you could remove them for grinding grain. But this is all new to me and only one person told me that (guy I got it from) so I don’t know. I’m just going to search for every picture of a hammer mill I can find and see what I can learn! Oddly enough, every picture I was able to dig up of a Minneapolis Moline had hammers that look just like mine with that square hole in the end. I will figure this out!
Tyler my stationary is a McCormick DEERING BUT THE MANUAL SAYS Farmall could be same machinery just later date on manual. My trailer one is a New Ideal
4mm you went all Canadian there!!
I think I just finished watching Heartland before I filmed that video hey? Maybe it was a hockey game? Haha thanks DLK!
Thanks Tyler 6-21-2022👍🏽👍🏽
Bwahahahaha. In the beginning when pointing at the Ford I thought he was going to say
"don't spend the same money on a truck you could buy a house for"
Haha a house??? I wish I could find a house that cheap!
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Nice vid. I like your arm on your tractor.... do a video on that
Thanks Roy! I think this is what you are looking for-
One of my Favorite Homemade 3 Point Attachments! th-cam.com/video/iyQJxpQ4R7k/w-d-xo.html
Besides livestock farmer what do you do at your day job?
I work for the county
What a coincidence , my dad worked for the county where I grew up in Iowa, while we farmed as well. He has since gone to be with the Lord, but he gave them 35 years before retiring. All the while still farming.
Yes the people that suggested it’s a clean out are absolutely right.
Thanks Duane!
I think it's a clean out.