Hidden Palace was originally intended to use what eventually became Mystic Cave's 2P theme, but the decision was later to make it use the unused theme instead. This can be seen even in the final game, where if you force the game to load Hidden Palace with a Game Genie code, the unused theme plays in the background
And in mobile version with special code you can enter to "Proto" Palace (as I know name not changing). And unused theme plays. But if you enter without code,you will be not able to enter or you enter to classic Hidden Palace (if it can be named classic,because its literally reworked)
@@Skiazo_chu That's possible, but it's also possible that the unused theme was intended for a Super Sonic cutscene in HPZ with Mystic Cave 2P playing in the main level, back when Sonic 2 was supposed to be more cutscene heavy (which might also explain why the demo version of the former didn't loop) The HPZ theme was probably changed once they decided to scrap the cutscenes and also implement 2P mode
@@dumbsmartgamer Oh I'm very aware of the whole cutscene deal with that song, I just doubt it was ever going to be HPZ's final level theme. If it was, there would have been no reason not to use it in the mobile remake. Seems more like the cutscene song, cutscene itself and level were scrapped together while the actual zone theme was repurposed.
You know why I think it plays the unused HP music in the final version when it's loaded up is because what if there is an undiscovered build of the game dated between the August 21st and September 14th prototypes that probably contains a more "complete" version of hidden palace that instead of playing the mystic cave 2P music, it plays the track that was intended for the zone?
There will be a fanmade recreation of madness mountain. There is a rom hack called Sonic 2 archives where it is Sonic 2 but with unused levels added back,and the creator confirmed that soon,he will add madness mountain in the game soon. Also,since we can see in the concept art photo that there is a draw bridge in the level, because of that people started making theories that madness mountain is an early version of mystic cave.
Hidden palace soundtrack is not mystic caves 2p, confirmed by the composer of the sonic 2 soundtrack and the unused music is the proper music for hidden palace zone
@@TechBlade9000 information is from Masato Nakamura the sonic 2 soundtrack composer, and in beta builds of the game if you use level select you can enter mystic caves which uses the unused soundtrack meant for hidden palace.
@@Kanada-Duh but in september 14 prototype hidden palace already got removed, but its still uses mystic cave 2p. And rember that sega also said that "dust hill zone - is a name of sand shower zone". Because they created sonic 2 really long time ago. And cancelled so much things - so they didnt rember everything perfectly. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme which happened in hidden palace zone. Listen to masa demo version. This music originally didnt loop. And this music even simpler and shorter, that every single music in the game.
I thought it was confirmed that track 10 was originally intended to play during a cutscene that was activated when Sonic obtained the 7th and final emerald that was hidden away inside of Hidden Palace? Even the demo midi music that was originally composed has a finite ending to the song, implying that the song wasnt originally intended to loop.
@@TeamTrainWreck No bro what the heck?, even the song in the sonic 1 and 2 album is called "masa's unused song", and it matches with the hidden palace theme, of mystery and a deep cave
Even if not meant for Sand Shower specfically, I still think Aquatic Ruin was definitely composed for a desert level. You don't put the first half of the Good, Bad, and Ugly riff in there expecting a level made of 50% water.
Considering that Sonic 2 apparently was originally going to have time travel mechanics, akin to Sonic CD, it could be possible that Sand Shower is the present form and that Aquatic Ruin's music was composed for a past version. (Or, Oil Ocean zone in its entirety was the leftover of the future version and Aquatic Ruin's music was meant for the present.)
It's not The good the bad and the ugly main theme, it's the Tarzan scream because the level takes place in a judge. The two sound almost identical, so it's no wonder people are confused.
@@genyakozlov1316 I feel like the note progression could have been the result of either (I still lean towards the GBU sourcing, since i would expect a Tarzan-yell-inspired progression to hold on the first note longer.) Do you have any at least semi-official sourcing for this claim?
@@G-Cole-01 yeah actually regarding the time travel mechanic concept art has been revealed showing what it looked like it was way more advaced than sonic cd having 5 diffrent timelines
Its funny how I always thought Sand Shower and Dust Hill Zone were two seperate levels, with DHZ being more like Mirage Saloon from Sonic Mania and SSZ being like Sandopoliz from Sonic and Knuckles. Same thing applies to Secret Jungle and Wood Zone.
True, I am glad that some levels were recycled later. I don’t want to change the final game that was made during the time I wasn’t even born or conceived yet.
They most likely were though,Dust Hill Zone was Mystic Cave since that’s what multiple prototypes call it,it even got a title card in one of them. I think the consensus is that Madness Cave evolved into Dust Hill Zone and eventually its name was changed into Mystic Cave because it wasn’t fitting anymore.
You're actually wrong with the Mountain Madness one. The Casino 2P song was used for Oil Ocean most of the development until they decided to for some reason use the Sand Shower/Dust Hill music.
That is right. But that same prototype changed most of the zone names. Green Hill - Emerald Hill Neo Green Hill - Aquatic Ruin Dust Hill - Mystic Cave Since EH2P and MC2P, especially EH2P would probably go on unused, they decided to change Oil Ocean to track 04, which definitely sounds more serious and more appealing for a mainline stage. The other tracks would be used in the two-player mode, since they could, and track 08 would be used as CN2P. Specially because of the instrumentation, which is definitely techno. But yeah. At this point, the devs just went with what worked best.
3:53 using a game genie cheat to access hidden palace in the final game will take you to a broken level that looks a lot like hidden palace, This makes the unused track 10 a real instead of fake/theory
Track 10 was meant for a cutscene. The Masa's Demo version doesn't loop therefore implying that it was meant for a cutscene. This "true music for Hidden Palace" debate always gets me triggered.
Here's what i think fits well (stage = music) Blue lake = MCZ2P Genocide/Cyber City = CPZ Death Egg = same as final Emerald Isle = ARZ Emerald/Green Hill = same as final Hidden Palace = MCZ2P (i believe the rumored cutscene would use track 10) Metropolis = stays the same Madness Mountain = (Can't decide if track 10 or Casino Night 2P but it's a 70/30) Ocean Wind = Emerald/Green hill 1P Sand Shower = OOZ (Snowy) Winter = SCZ Special Stage = stays the same Tropical Plant/Sun = Emerald/Green Hill 2P Wood = Metropolis
Nice video! Nobody has done on the internet something like this about Sonic 2 beta/proto. Btw Like your Sonic content👍! Can't wait for your future content!
@@fatality9024 but in august 21 prototype - they already put id 10 track. And in september 14 prototype hidden palace already got removed, but its still uses mystic cave 2p. And rember that sega also said that "dust hill zone - is a name of sand shower zone". Because they created sonic 2 really long time ago. And cancelled so much things - so they didnt rember everything perfectly. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme which happened in hidden palace zone. Listen to masa demo version. This music originally didnt loop. And this music even simpler and shorter, that every single music in the game.
0:25 - If anyone out there has the rom hack "Sonic 2 Advanced Edit" (I have releases 3 and 4) the concepts for "Blue Lake Zone" fit together with S2AE's "Crystal Caverns Zone".
Cool when some levels of classic sonic recycled in mania Probably: Dust hill = mirage saloon Sand shower = Sandopolis (Snowy) Winter zone = Press garden
why is no one talking about the fact that angel island is in the background of ocean wind?! That’s crazy, they were probably planning these stuff for the game.
Since the original game was partially inspired by the 8-Bit Version of Sonic 1 it isn't unlikely that Green Hill was indeed another version of the zone before it was heavily changed into Emerald Hill in latter development. Ocean Wind was inspired by Bridge Zone and might have served as the inspiration for Emerald Coast. Woods/Secret Jungle/Wood was inspired by Jungle Zone and it seems that it would have segments inside of its trees and maybe rivers as well, the idea for this zone gave birth to Mushroom Hill. Sand Shower was the first original level that we would encounter and it would have been the actual first desert-themed level of the Sonic series before its sucessor Sandopolis took its place. The difficulty of Metropolis was probably drastically changed for the last version of the zone. There is a submerged version of the Ancient Time that isn't talked a lot in which other versions of Hill Top and Blue Lake would have been featured, this version of Hill Top might would have acid lakes replacing the lava from the original while Blue Lake of this timeline might would have been the Blue Ocean concept art since it seems that the zone would take place completely underwater which makes sense for how the island looks on this timeline. Tropical Summer is probably the Tropical Sun concept art and it might have served as the inspiration for Angel Island Zone in Sonic 3. It's possible that Olympus and Hidden Palace are connected with one another for the story of the game rather than the latter being a sucessor to the other. Tropical Plant might would have had a S3 Launch Base-like appearance. Maybe Sonic 3's Azure Lake is how the original Blue Lake would have looked like. I don't know what or how Rock World would have looked like, some believe that the one in the Ancient Time is Winter Zone while the other in the Ruined Present Time is either Mystic Cave or Hidden Palace. Speaking of the Ruined Present Time, that is where Dust Hill appears over Green Hill on the map, I think that Dust Hill is actually Aquatic Ruin instead of Mystic Cave since it would put more sense as to why the zone was called Neo Green Hill at one point. Oil Ocean was going to be like a Bad Future version of Ocean Wind. There is no doubt that Madness Mountain was a zone planned for the Medieval Era and in addition I personally think that Winter Zone and Emerald Isle also would have been part of this era as well, with Winter Zone taking the place of Sand Shower and Emerald Isle being this era's version of Aquatic Ruin. I have no idea how the two Genocide Cities would have played out but I suspect they would have used the indoor and outdoor concept of Scrap Brain while also using anti-gravity concepts which we saw on the Death Egg in Sonic & Knuckles, speaking of the Death Egg as you can see by that concept art it was originally planned to be a long zone instead of just a boss room one. Another thing worthy of commenting about is how Sonic looks in that concept art, do you think that S2 Death Egg would have a special mechanic feature that would affect Sonic's physics due to him being in space and thus making it more difficult for us to move him around the zone?, cause I think it is possible since this would have been the first space-themed level in the series. Regarding Chemical Plant and Casino Night, they probably had their difficulty decreased for the final versions. The "Last Battle in Space" most likely would have Sky Chase and Wing Fortress playing the same role as they did in the final game.
The submerged version of the Ancient time is actually the Medieval time Hilltop = Madness Mountain Blue Lake = Blue Ocean Tropical Summer = Tropical Sun There is something interesting and is that the concept map of Medieval time is blue, just like the time travel concept (the one that has Present, Medieval, Ruined, Ancient, Future and the last battle in space) indicating that they were at some time discarded before the game started to develop. The Ancient version of Rock World is Winter Zone while the Ruined version is the desert themed level mockup (Collision Chaos Radio explains it very well). Also Sky Chase and Wing Fortress were planned to replace Winter Zone and Cyber City Zone (because of the music) I wish this comment helps you and sorry if bad english
@@el_joel Something doesn't feel right about that theory, I really think that Emerald Isle is the Medieval version of Aquatic Ruin and maybe Winter Zone is also part of this timeline where it replaces Sand Shower and Rock World, Madness Mountain was definitely a zone planned for this era. I think that we would visit the Ancient Time two times just like how I think that we would also visit the Death Egg two times as well, I've heard stories about the Death Egg being a mid-way zone and this matches with my theory that we would first visit the submerged Ancient Time and later on in the game we would come back to it but now with everything in its place. Maybe the first Death Egg was going to be the full zone that was originally planned and the Death Egg we know in the final version would be the second visit and the game would end in the same way, with Sky Chase and WIng Fortress playing the same role as in the final.
@@el_joel Many things changed during the development of this game so it's very hard to understand how things would have really played out, don't get me wrong I'm not saying this because I don't believe you, but was there really a confirmation that the submerged era is indeed the Medieval Time? The second Hill Top being Madness Mountain would make sense but I still think that there is something off about Aquatic Ruin and Emerald Isle being the same zone since the concept art of it shows things that don't match with Aquatic Ruin, but then again like I said things changed during development so yeah they can be the same zone.
@RedX8477 Actually it did. Emerald Hill was labeled as Green Hill for a while in the betas. If you also look at the early map, the map has Green Hill labeled clear as day.
Unused Track 10 really fits the vibe of Madness Mountain. Seeing how there is a little drawbridge in the concept art, and the music is medieval sounding (in my opinion), I feel like that this track belongs in Madness Mountain.
Not so sure about 9:00, aquatic ruin theme prob was the one intended for Sand Shower (it even has that wild west melody in the beginning of the melody) but later with many tracks were remade to fit new zones
Bro do you know Simon wai proto and level 03?what level is 03 în the concept art for now sand shower.and what music does it play oil ocean.shut up kid and play mario.
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 Oh yeah, I mixed Sand Shower with Dust Hill, though no need to be agressive lmao and make some stupid assumptions. In the cutting room floor there's a song for "Neo Green Hill zone" which is absent in all the maps and has Aquatic Ruin theme. I know it's only theories, but it sounds logical. Dust Hill could've had the theme before Neo Green Hill, but when the simon wai proto was being made, they already changed their plans and probably had ideas for mystic cave and no time travel things
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 actually collision chaos radio has a whole video on this, and they state that it was, infact, aquatic ruin's song that was meant for the level in the concept art
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 no u shut UP kid and type correctly wth correct grammar cuz ur comment is paintfull to read and no need to be a twisted crazy Sonic fan that hates what other people say
I'm sure some of these "real" ones are theories too and there isn't official confirmation to prove them right or wrong. I think the music might have been composed at the point when Ocean Wind, Tropical Sun and Blue Lake were scrapped, Hidden Palace and Aquatic Ruin were added but Sand Shower and Rock World were still in. The amount of zone background music matches up perfectly. Emerald Hill Zone - 🎶 Emerald Hill Zone Wood Zone - 🎶 Emerald Hill Zone (2P VS) Sand Shower Zone - 🎶 Oil Ocean Zone Metropolis Zone - 🎶 Metropolis Zone Hill Top Zone - 🎶 Hill Top Zone Hidden Palace Zone - 🎶 Mystic Cave Zone (2P VS) Rock World Zone - 🎶 Sky Chase Zone Oil Ocean Zone - 🎶 Casino Night Zone (2P VS) Mystic Cave Zone - 🎶 Mystic Cave Zone Casino Night Zone - 🎶 Casino Night Zone Chemical Plant Zone - 🎶 Chemical Plant Zone Cyber City Zone - 🎶 Death Egg Zone Aquatic Ruin Zone - 🎶 Aquatic Ruin Zone Death Egg Zone - 🎶 Wing Fortress Zone
While I agree that the Sand Ocean music theme was Oil Ocean's final theme, I think the mock-up was for Dust Hill, and the Aquatic Ruins theme would have been the Dust Hill theme. I'm not sure if there's any actual art for what would have been Sand Shower.
It would be nice if you provided sources for anything. Like why unused track #10 is fake/theory for Hidden Palace. Or why Emerald Hill 2P is fake for Snowy Zone (who would even think that anyways). Also, adding in the special stage concept was pointless because A) the concept looks almost identical to what we got in the game and B) there's only one track that fits with the special stage concept, and that's the special stage music.
Hidden Palace Zone uses the unused track 10 in the final game. To access HPZ use the following PAR codes: Act 1 - FFFE10:0800 Act 2 - FFFE10:0801 EDIT: It was actually changed to track 10 in the CENSOR prototype.
@@levelupsonic Now that I mention this, several levels were used such as winter zone in Ice Cap and Diamond Dust from Sonic 3 and 3d blast Ocean wind in Esmerald Coast from Sonic adventure, wood zone in mushroom hill from Sonic and knuckles, sand shower in Sonic blast, genocide city in the level the machine from Sonic pinball and in 3d blast as Panic puppet although the similarity is noticeable and gives an air of that level, Dust hill was only a beta name for Mystic Cave, the one I don't know much about is from rock world zone and well, using a hack program in the Simon wai beta, the deleted levels are recorded
Uhm actually unused track 10 is real for hidden palace because if you put in a game genie code and select death Egg on level select, you will go ot hidden palace's remains Game Genie code: ACLA-ATDR
Not sure if it was ever confirmed but this vid makes a solid argument: th-cam.com/video/74wRhQXhIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DI0UEXBKhpSdwsyv After all it sounds more like a chill Christmas song than a song made for a level where you chase someone.
The real reason wood and metropolis had the same track was because wood was meant to be the past of metropolis before robotnik industrialized everything
Past| *proto zone(hidden palace beta but survived in phone)* *emerald isle(survived)* *cyber city(found!!!)* *green hill(survived for unused content)* genocide *Death egg(survived)* wood zone(metropolis) madness mountain *ocean wind(that angel islands behind)* sandshower snowy Winter Sonic 1 Special stage tropical plant sun *metropolis(survived)* blue lake *hidden palace(survived into phone or origins)* *rock zone(dead level )* now| Aquatic Ruin Zone Casino Night Zone Chemical Plant Zone Metropolis Zone Mystic Cave Zone Oil Ocean Zone Death Egg Zone Emerald Hill Zone Hill Top Zone Wing Fortress Zone Sky Chase Zone Hidden Palace Zone Green Hill Zone (unused content) Special Stage Cheats for unused levels are not scrapped for final game Hidden palace ACLA-ATD4 wood zone FFFE10:0200 Emerald isle FFFE10:0160
It's not The good the bad and the ugly main theme (which you called the Western theme), it's the Tarzan scream because the level takes place in a judge. The two sound almost identical, so it's no wonder people are confused.
This is what i think Blue lake custom song Cyber city sonic delta cyber city music Death egg same as final Emerald isle custom song Emerald hill same as final Hidden palace track 10 Metropolis same as final Madness mountain mystic cave final Ocean wind sonic 2 archives custom song Sand shower oil ocean final Rock world word 5.1 from ristar Special stages same as final Tropical sun custom song from sonic 2 archives Wood zone secret jungle emerald hill 2p The end
We do not know what Madness Mountain's theme sounds like (I'll stick with Casino Night 2P Music) Ocean Wind was not going to use Emerald Hill's music (i will stick with unused track 10 for it) Wood Zone was not going to use Metropolis music, as Wood Zone in future, infact, is Casino Night (it was going to use Casino Night 1P Music) Cyber City was not going to use Chemical Plant Music and we do not know what music belongs to Cyber City (infact, i think they would use Marble Zone music) Hidden Palace Zone also uses Spring Yard Zone music, infact, it is **technically** the first theme for it.
What I like to think is ocean wind and tropical plant/sun is on Christmas Island. It’s so close to South Island and isn’t that big, and have a very coastal environment.
Madness Mountain was somewhat confirmed to have been an earlier version of Mystic Cave. The composer said that he composed Mystic Cave's theme for a haunted house level, and one of the devs said that Mystic Cave was going to be a haunted house level.
Wouldn't Emerald Isle Zone just... be Aquatic Ruin Zone with an early name? They look virtually identical comparing the final zone to the concept art, I mean it's not hard to believe considering Palmtree Panic used to be Salad Plain Zone
0:57 i think the music for mystic cave would go pretty well with cyber city, especially if you listen to the masa's demo version where the main instrument sounds like a siren
Mystic cave not originally planned, "dust hill zone" is - early version of aquatic ruin zone. This is - second desert zone, which is - completly different from sand shower. When they decine to remove some zones - they hybrid emerald isle and dust hill into 1 level, and were got "neo green hill". They did it because they didnt have engouh time, top part of level is a - dust hill zone. Bottom is a - emerald isle zone. Now about your theory about madness mountain music, its - false. Real music of madness mountain is a - mystic cave zone. Casino night 2 player is a - original oil ocean theme. Hill top is a - original hill top theme. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme. Also you called ice level "winter zone", in fact: real name of "winter zone" is a - "rock world zone". Because at concept arts rock world is a - past of sand shower. Also were have concept art that shown that - past of "desert" is an "ice". You said that metropolis zone theme is - wood zone music. This is - false. Wood zone didnt got its own theme, music slot got unchanged from sonic 1.
@Xiao ling [hyperfilipino] whats wrong? My grammer or what? If you talking about my grammer, know im just a - from different country. If you talking about my comment by itself, im sure - you never see concept arts before. Or you just a - not trying to look at details. If you wonder "why i told that there are 2 desert zones, not just sand shower" i already told you reasons, but i have more. Aquatic ruin didnt appear at concept arts, even in "neo green hill" name. But dust hill did. Aquatic ruin music fits desert a bit too well. But were know that sand shower music is a - oil ocean zone. Simon wai layuot shown you that - this level not designed for water sections. Mystic cave have slowed down clown theme, its fits castle like zones. And also fits concept art of madness mountain.
It seems that olympus and blue lake zone are meant to be the same zone and in the final version we basically see them combined as the above and below water areas in aquatic ruin. We also see something more like olympus in sonic 3.
3:53 is actually real in s2 2013 remake (mobile) a zone that called proto palace zone this how to do it 1 pick no save mode, press S,E,G,A you should hearing a ring sound 2 in title screen use your two finger to sonic & tails 3 you should be in the level select use code for debug mode, 1,9,9,2,1,1,2,4 and you should hear a ring sound again 4 final code to the "Proto palace zone" 3,3,3,B,10,10,10,4 you should hear ring sound again 5 pick hidden palace zone done now your in "Proto Palace Zone"
the Madmes Mountain his hill top But his video are theory Idk why Here 2P sound of hidde palace 2P is fake The beta/prototype, is a real of 1992 Sonic was in american/japan
8:59 well, it can't be false or true because Dust Hill and the present are modified by Dr Eggman which is Emerald Hill and the sand shower and the stage that is in the present, but I don't think the sand shower would have a mechanic that modifies the desert for snow, but in the medieval era, the sand shower which is called rock wold and the normal climate, but in the past it was more nervous, which makes perfect sense considering the ice age which, but in the present, does not It's ruined by Dr Eggman, it's desert!
You claim certain OST assignments as "fake" and "real", yet you neglect to explain your reasoning behind these assertions. I am very curious, why do you assign the tracks that you do so confidently? I too am quite curious about the early development of Sonic 2, but I feel that theories need evidence to back them up.
Metropolis theme doesn’t really fit Wood Zone in my opinion. I always thought Emerald Hill 2P’s theme was more fitting. Same with Sand Shower having Aquatic Ruin’s theme.
Its strange hearing this songs now knowing were they came from could u imagine if the zones never existed and we got the cut zones songs instead u would say that song is from chemical plant etc i wish they got the old team remade sonic 2 or added it in origins so that the player could hace a taste what sonic 2 was like before it was cut
I imagine it would go something like this Emerald Hill stays the same Ocean Wind (EHZ 2P Music) Woods (MCZ 2P Music) Sand Shower (OOZ Music) Metropolis stays the same Aquatic Ruin and Hill Top stay the same Hidden Palace (Unused Track 10) Rock World (SCZ Music) Oil Ocean (CNZ 2P Music) Mystic Cave stays the same Chemical Plant and Casino Night stay the same Cyber City (DEZ Music) Death Egg (WFZ Music) I didnt include Tropical Sun because i believe that it was scrapped so early in development that it either never had music or its music was repurposed for another zone Also I didnt include blue ocean or madness mountain because i think that blue ocean is just an early name for hidden palace, and madness mountain is an early version of mystic cave.
Estaría genial si alguien programador haga los niveles no usados menos los que están en long versión y ahy nacirian Sonic 2 episode 2(SMS)Sonic 2 episodio 3(Sonic 2 long versión)Sonic 2 episodio 4(estas zonas)
7:52 I think so much about that, so Oil Ocean song was originally (dust hill, sand shower, desert dazzle, mirage saloon how the heck is called), was intended to be the desert level, so Oil Ocean have a different song or what?
@@From_TexasI don’t know why did they that xD, like it’s weird to see an petroleum plant with a desert theme, the casino night 2p sound more accurate actually
Melody number 10 is the real Hidden Palace melody. When starting a zone using codes game gine we see the logo of this particular zone and hear track 10, also, the location of the rings coincides with the structure of the level.
I think it’s concept art for Icecap. But considering that a lot of Sonic 2 concept art was reused for Sonic 3,it’s safe to assume that the original looked like that.
Also for sand shower actually just copy the oil ocean cuase there a video a guy made a video with sonic 2 it was sand shower but the music is a copy ver of the oil ocean zone so probbly a zone order I did not look zone order for s2 beta however the song kind fit also if im band english it's because I'm indo
Hidden palace it is its own zone when you collected all 7 chaos emeralds at the end of the game it would take you to hidden palace and then you would of have super sonic
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It's actually crazy that they reused some of the sounds for beta death in sonic 3's death
It’s so bizarre how hidden palace got scrapped when it’s so close to completed
Im enraged because its my fav of all time
Mobile and origins: you called?
Something like this happening to final fever, but song from this level are used
It's so bizzare how hidden palace came back when it was left unused before
Hidden Palace was originally intended to use what eventually became Mystic Cave's 2P theme, but the decision was later to make it use the unused theme instead.
This can be seen even in the final game, where if you force the game to load Hidden Palace with a Game Genie code, the unused theme plays in the background
And in mobile version with special code you can enter to "Proto" Palace (as I know name not changing). And unused theme plays. But if you enter without code,you will be not able to enter or you enter to classic Hidden Palace (if it can be named classic,because its literally reworked)
Seems more like the unused theme plays in HPZ on the final game because it was just dumped there rather than actually being the/a level theme
@@Skiazo_chu That's possible, but it's also possible that the unused theme was intended for a Super Sonic cutscene in HPZ with Mystic Cave 2P playing in the main level, back when Sonic 2 was supposed to be more cutscene heavy (which might also explain why the demo version of the former didn't loop)
The HPZ theme was probably changed once they decided to scrap the cutscenes and also implement 2P mode
@@dumbsmartgamer Oh I'm very aware of the whole cutscene deal with that song, I just doubt it was ever going to be HPZ's final level theme.
If it was, there would have been no reason not to use it in the mobile remake. Seems more like the cutscene song, cutscene itself and level were scrapped together
while the actual zone theme was repurposed.
You know why I think it plays the unused HP music in the final version when it's loaded up is because what if there is an undiscovered build of the game dated between the August 21st and September 14th prototypes that probably contains a more "complete" version of hidden palace that instead of playing the mystic cave 2P music, it plays the track that was intended for the zone?
why is no one talking about how cool the Death Egg concept art is?
It looks the same tbh
We just got the inside version
@@DubiousDepthsRadio tbh I still think the idea of having an obstacle course outside of the boss is very cool
Yea
I really hope someone will make fanmade Madness Mountain recreation. It looks quite cool, even though it's clearly based off Marble zone from Sonic 1
There will be a fanmade recreation of madness mountain. There is a rom hack called Sonic 2 archives where it is Sonic 2 but with unused levels added back,and the creator confirmed that soon,he will add madness mountain in the game soon.
Also,since we can see in the concept art photo that there is a draw bridge in the level, because of that people started making theories that madness mountain is an early version of mystic cave.
@@brawlsonic18I hope that they use the Unused track 10 for Madness Mountain and use mystic cave 2p for hidden palace
I think this eventually became underground zone from sonic 2 GG/sms
@@thepurpleblurrI think that unused track 10 doesn’t fit madness mountain at all.
@@Emberdoor okay
Hidden palace soundtrack is not mystic caves 2p, confirmed by the composer of the sonic 2 soundtrack and the unused music is the proper music for hidden palace zone
Source?
@@TechBlade9000 information is from Masato Nakamura the sonic 2 soundtrack composer, and in beta builds of the game if you use level select you can enter mystic caves which uses the unused soundtrack meant for hidden palace.
@@Kanada-Duh but in september 14 prototype hidden palace already got removed, but its still uses mystic cave 2p. And rember that sega also said that "dust hill zone - is a name of sand shower zone". Because they created sonic 2 really long time ago. And cancelled so much things - so they didnt rember everything perfectly. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme which happened in hidden palace zone. Listen to masa demo version. This music originally didnt loop. And this music even simpler and shorter, that every single music in the game.
@@sayaka_miki353 yeah.
Just to say track 10 is just a theory so people are sticking with mystic cave zone 2p
3:53 They were gonna use this music for hidden palace, SEGA even confirmed it when they snuck in the level for the Sonic 2 mobile port.
I thought it was confirmed that track 10 was originally intended to play during a cutscene that was activated when Sonic obtained the 7th and final emerald that was hidden away inside of Hidden Palace? Even the demo midi music that was originally composed has a finite ending to the song, implying that the song wasnt originally intended to loop.
@@TeamTrainWreck No bro what the heck?, even the song in the sonic 1 and 2 album is called "masa's unused song", and it matches with the hidden palace theme, of mystery and a deep cave
@@OliverMylers this is SEGA, who created a whole new track for Origins 3 Super Sonic rather than using the suspected "beta version"
@@OliverMylers The demo song doesn't loop, it's obviously used for a cutscene, check your facts bro.
@@maxisdead2153 I am guessing SEGA decided to rebuild the music even if it went unused, like the SEGA logo's theme from Knuckles Chaotix.
Ocean Wind looks like a beta version of Emerald Coast 😮
It looks like that and little planet combined
@vibri_the_crudely_drawn_bunny uh?
It looks so similar! 😮
Sonic fans when they see a beach (Sonic Adventure reference?!?!?!)
even angel island is in the background!
Even if not meant for Sand Shower specfically, I still think Aquatic Ruin was definitely composed for a desert level. You don't put the first half of the Good, Bad, and Ugly riff in there expecting a level made of 50% water.
Considering that Sonic 2 apparently was originally going to have time travel mechanics, akin to Sonic CD, it could be possible that Sand Shower is the present form and that Aquatic Ruin's music was composed for a past version. (Or, Oil Ocean zone in its entirety was the leftover of the future version and Aquatic Ruin's music was meant for the present.)
oil ocean sounds more western in my opinion because it was literally in mirage saloon
It's not The good the bad and the ugly main theme, it's the Tarzan scream because the level takes place in a judge. The two sound almost identical, so it's no wonder people are confused.
@@genyakozlov1316 I feel like the note progression could have been the result of either (I still lean towards the GBU sourcing, since i would expect a Tarzan-yell-inspired progression to hold on the first note longer.) Do you have any at least semi-official sourcing for this claim?
@@G-Cole-01 yeah actually regarding the time travel mechanic concept art has been revealed showing what it looked like it was way more advaced than sonic cd having 5 diffrent timelines
Its funny how I always thought Sand Shower and Dust Hill Zone were two seperate levels, with DHZ being more like Mirage Saloon from Sonic Mania and SSZ being like Sandopoliz from Sonic and Knuckles. Same thing applies to Secret Jungle and Wood Zone.
True, I am glad that some levels were recycled later. I don’t want to change the final game that was made during the time I wasn’t even born or conceived yet.
They most likely were though,Dust Hill Zone was Mystic Cave since that’s what multiple prototypes call it,it even got a title card in one of them.
I think the consensus is that Madness Cave evolved into Dust Hill Zone and eventually its name was changed into Mystic Cave because it wasn’t fitting anymore.
They are. Dust Hill was an early name for Mystic Cave.
You're actually wrong with the Mountain Madness one. The Casino 2P song was used for Oil Ocean most of the development until they decided to for some reason use the Sand Shower/Dust Hill music.
That is right. But that same prototype changed most of the zone names.
Green Hill - Emerald Hill
Neo Green Hill - Aquatic Ruin
Dust Hill - Mystic Cave
Since EH2P and MC2P, especially EH2P would probably go on unused, they decided to change Oil Ocean to track 04, which definitely sounds more serious and more appealing for a mainline stage.
The other tracks would be used in the two-player mode, since they could, and track 08 would be used as CN2P. Specially because of the instrumentation, which is definitely techno.
But yeah. At this point, the devs just went with what worked best.
That's why it's called a theory, the video didn't say it was true
@@thepurpleblurr It wasn't a theory there was actual evidence from the prototypes themselves.
3:53 using a game genie cheat to access hidden palace in the final game will take you to a broken level that looks a lot like hidden palace, This makes the unused track 10 a real instead of fake/theory
It is, it just has junk data and missing assets. The level layout is still there.
Track 10 was meant for a cutscene. The Masa's Demo version doesn't loop therefore implying that it was meant for a cutscene. This "true music for Hidden Palace" debate always gets me triggered.
What’s crazy
Is I don’t even remember making this comment
@@eraser1103wastakenIt was like 7 months no shit
@@TuxerTuxar let’s not start an argument here lol
According to tcrf, emerald hill 2 player was most likely composed for blue lake/ocean.
Here's what i think fits well (stage = music)
Blue lake = MCZ2P
Genocide/Cyber City = CPZ
Death Egg = same as final
Emerald Isle = ARZ
Emerald/Green Hill = same as final
Hidden Palace = MCZ2P (i believe the rumored cutscene would use track 10)
Metropolis = stays the same
Madness Mountain = (Can't decide if track 10 or Casino Night 2P but it's a 70/30)
Ocean Wind = Emerald/Green hill 1P
Sand Shower = OOZ
(Snowy) Winter = SCZ
Special Stage = stays the same
Tropical Plant/Sun = Emerald/Green Hill 2P
Wood = Metropolis
Nice video! Nobody has done on the internet something like this about Sonic 2 beta/proto. Btw Like your Sonic content👍! Can't wait for your future content!
Goodjob! Really love the concept arts
@@HeyBigBoys the hidden palace music isn't mystic cave 2 player it's track 10 (the original music of hidden palace)
@@HeyBigBoys don't forget sonic 2 2013 remake
@@fatality9024 but in august 21 prototype - they already put id 10 track. And in september 14 prototype hidden palace already got removed, but its still uses mystic cave 2p. And rember that sega also said that "dust hill zone - is a name of sand shower zone". Because they created sonic 2 really long time ago. And cancelled so much things - so they didnt rember everything perfectly. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme which happened in hidden palace zone. Listen to masa demo version. This music originally didnt loop. And this music even simpler and shorter, that every single music in the game.
Sky Chase and Aquatic Ruins do have pretty wintery and western sounding themes
0:25 - If anyone out there has the rom hack "Sonic 2 Advanced Edit" (I have releases 3 and 4) the concepts for "Blue Lake Zone" fit together with S2AE's "Crystal Caverns Zone".
Cool when some levels of classic sonic recycled in mania
Probably:
Dust hill = mirage saloon
Sand shower = Sandopolis
(Snowy) Winter zone = Press garden
Wasn't Dust Hill Mystic Cave's old name in development?
@@FlickiesIsland1996 If mystic cave zone is dust hill in S2 beta, the original dust hill was already scrapped, Like the Gen0cide city 2 situation
why is no one talking about the fact that angel island is in the background of ocean wind?! That’s crazy, they were probably planning these stuff for the game.
Since the original game was partially inspired by the 8-Bit Version of Sonic 1 it isn't unlikely that Green Hill was indeed another version of the zone before it was heavily changed into Emerald Hill in latter development.
Ocean Wind was inspired by Bridge Zone and might have served as the inspiration for Emerald Coast.
Woods/Secret Jungle/Wood was inspired by Jungle Zone and it seems that it would have segments inside of its trees and maybe rivers as well, the idea for this zone gave birth to Mushroom Hill.
Sand Shower was the first original level that we would encounter and it would have been the actual first desert-themed level of the Sonic series before its sucessor Sandopolis took its place.
The difficulty of Metropolis was probably drastically changed for the last version of the zone.
There is a submerged version of the Ancient Time that isn't talked a lot in which other versions of Hill Top and Blue Lake would have been featured, this version of Hill Top might would have acid lakes replacing the lava from the original while Blue Lake of this timeline might would have been the Blue Ocean concept art since it seems that the zone would take place completely underwater which makes sense for how the island looks on this timeline.
Tropical Summer is probably the Tropical Sun concept art and it might have served as the inspiration for Angel Island Zone in Sonic 3.
It's possible that Olympus and Hidden Palace are connected with one another for the story of the game rather than the latter being a sucessor to the other.
Tropical Plant might would have had a S3 Launch Base-like appearance.
Maybe Sonic 3's Azure Lake is how the original Blue Lake would have looked like.
I don't know what or how Rock World would have looked like, some believe that the one in the Ancient Time is Winter Zone while the other in the Ruined Present Time is either Mystic Cave or Hidden Palace.
Speaking of the Ruined Present Time, that is where Dust Hill appears over Green Hill on the map, I think that Dust Hill is actually Aquatic Ruin instead of Mystic Cave since it would put more sense as to why the zone was called Neo Green Hill at one point.
Oil Ocean was going to be like a Bad Future version of Ocean Wind.
There is no doubt that Madness Mountain was a zone planned for the Medieval Era and in addition I personally think that Winter Zone and Emerald Isle also would have been part of this era as well, with Winter Zone taking the place of Sand Shower and Emerald Isle being this era's version of Aquatic Ruin.
I have no idea how the two Genocide Cities would have played out but I suspect they would have used the indoor and outdoor concept of Scrap Brain while also using anti-gravity concepts which we saw on the Death Egg in Sonic & Knuckles, speaking of the Death Egg as you can see by that concept art it was originally planned to be a long zone instead of just a boss room one.
Another thing worthy of commenting about is how Sonic looks in that concept art, do you think that S2 Death Egg would have a special mechanic feature that would affect Sonic's physics due to him being in space and thus making it more difficult for us to move him around the zone?, cause I think it is possible since this would have been the first space-themed level in the series.
Regarding Chemical Plant and Casino Night, they probably had their difficulty decreased for the final versions.
The "Last Battle in Space" most likely would have Sky Chase and Wing Fortress playing the same role as they did in the final game.
The submerged version of the Ancient time is actually the Medieval time
Hilltop = Madness Mountain
Blue Lake = Blue Ocean
Tropical Summer = Tropical Sun
There is something interesting and is that the concept map of Medieval time is blue, just like the time travel concept (the one that has Present, Medieval, Ruined, Ancient, Future and the last battle in space) indicating that they were at some time discarded before the game started to develop.
The Ancient version of Rock World is Winter Zone while the Ruined version is the desert themed level mockup (Collision Chaos Radio explains it very well).
Also Sky Chase and Wing Fortress were planned to replace Winter Zone and Cyber City Zone (because of the music)
I wish this comment helps you and sorry if bad english
@@el_joel Something doesn't feel right about that theory, I really think that Emerald Isle is the Medieval version of Aquatic Ruin and maybe Winter Zone is also part of this timeline where it replaces Sand Shower and Rock World, Madness Mountain was definitely a zone planned for this era.
I think that we would visit the Ancient Time two times just like how I think that we would also visit the Death Egg two times as well, I've heard stories about the Death Egg being a mid-way zone and this matches with my theory that we would first visit the submerged Ancient Time and later on in the game we would come back to it but now with everything in its place.
Maybe the first Death Egg was going to be the full zone that was originally planned and the Death Egg we know in the final version would be the second visit and the game would end in the same way, with Sky Chase and WIng Fortress playing the same role as in the final.
@@el_joel Many things changed during the development of this game so it's very hard to understand how things would have really played out, don't get me wrong I'm not saying this because I don't believe you, but was there really a confirmation that the submerged era is indeed the Medieval Time?
The second Hill Top being Madness Mountain would make sense but I still think that there is something off about Aquatic Ruin and Emerald Isle being the same zone since the concept art of it shows things that don't match with Aquatic Ruin, but then again like I said things changed during development so yeah they can be the same zone.
Yes dude,for me about emerald isle and Madness Mountain should be in the past
@@IanLucasCarneiroPereiraLuquita Well they are.
The cool thing is that they used the idea of Dust Hill in forces.
No, not Sand Shower. That's the other desert level.
But Sonic said “Green Hill is looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now.” And Green Hill has nothing to do with Sonic 2 Beta’s scrapped levels.
@RedX8477 Actually it did. Emerald Hill was labeled as Green Hill for a while in the betas.
If you also look at the early map, the map has Green Hill labeled clear as day.
@@jadonherr6469 Oh.. I never realised that until today. Well, thank you.
Unused Track 10 really fits the vibe of Madness Mountain. Seeing how there is a little drawbridge in the concept art, and the music is medieval sounding (in my opinion), I feel like that this track belongs in Madness Mountain.
Not so sure about 9:00, aquatic ruin theme prob was the one intended for Sand Shower (it even has that wild west melody in the beginning of the melody) but later with many tracks were remade to fit new zones
Bro do you know Simon wai proto and level 03?what level is 03 în the concept art for now sand shower.and what music does it play oil ocean.shut up kid and play mario.
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 Oh yeah, I mixed Sand Shower with Dust Hill, though no need to be agressive lmao and make some stupid assumptions. In the cutting room floor there's a song for "Neo Green Hill zone" which is absent in all the maps and has Aquatic Ruin theme. I know it's only theories, but it sounds logical. Dust Hill could've had the theme before Neo Green Hill, but when the simon wai proto was being made, they already changed their plans and probably had ideas for mystic cave and no time travel things
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 actually collision chaos radio has a whole video on this, and they state that it was, infact, aquatic ruin's song that was meant for the level in the concept art
@@dededesgustingtkemylife4825 my guy we were talking about sand shower.not dust hill.
@@TitanSpeakerManFan27 no u shut UP kid and type correctly wth correct grammar cuz ur comment is paintfull to read and no need to be a twisted crazy Sonic fan that hates what other people say
I'm sure some of these "real" ones are theories too and there isn't official confirmation to prove them right or wrong.
I think the music might have been composed at the point when Ocean Wind, Tropical Sun and Blue Lake were scrapped, Hidden Palace and Aquatic Ruin were added but Sand Shower and Rock World were still in. The amount of zone background music matches up perfectly.
Emerald Hill Zone - 🎶 Emerald Hill Zone
Wood Zone - 🎶 Emerald Hill Zone (2P VS)
Sand Shower Zone - 🎶 Oil Ocean Zone
Metropolis Zone - 🎶 Metropolis Zone
Hill Top Zone - 🎶 Hill Top Zone
Hidden Palace Zone - 🎶 Mystic Cave Zone (2P VS)
Rock World Zone - 🎶 Sky Chase Zone
Oil Ocean Zone - 🎶 Casino Night Zone (2P VS)
Mystic Cave Zone - 🎶 Mystic Cave Zone
Casino Night Zone - 🎶 Casino Night Zone
Chemical Plant Zone - 🎶 Chemical Plant Zone
Cyber City Zone - 🎶 Death Egg Zone
Aquatic Ruin Zone - 🎶 Aquatic Ruin Zone
Death Egg Zone - 🎶 Wing Fortress Zone
This video makes u come back and watch again
While I agree that the Sand Ocean music theme was Oil Ocean's final theme, I think the mock-up was for Dust Hill, and the Aquatic Ruins theme would have been the Dust Hill theme. I'm not sure if there's any actual art for what would have been Sand Shower.
It would be nice if you provided sources for anything. Like why unused track #10 is fake/theory for Hidden Palace. Or why Emerald Hill 2P is fake for Snowy Zone (who would even think that anyways). Also, adding in the special stage concept was pointless because A) the concept looks almost identical to what we got in the game and B) there's only one track that fits with the special stage concept, and that's the special stage music.
Exactly, I was just looking at the cutting room floor and it said emerald hill 2 player was most likely composed for blue lake/ocean.
Metropolis Zone
Real Track: Metropolis
No shit.
Hidden Palace Zone uses the unused track 10 in the final game. To access HPZ use the following PAR codes:
Act 1 - FFFE10:0800
Act 2 - FFFE10:0801
EDIT: It was actually changed to track 10 in the CENSOR prototype.
7:24
I dont know why, but Ocean Wind looks almost like Wave Ocean from Sonic 06.
Or emerald coast
Anyone else feel like Sonic Team used Ocean Wind as inspiration for Wave Ocean, or is it just a coincidence?
Looking at the design of Blue Ocean I see that the level was used for a game called Sonic Blast
@@josuedavila781 Oh I see...
@@levelupsonic Now that I mention this, several levels were used such as winter zone in Ice Cap and Diamond Dust from Sonic 3 and 3d blast Ocean wind in Esmerald Coast from Sonic adventure, wood zone in mushroom hill from Sonic and knuckles, sand shower in Sonic blast, genocide city in the level the machine from Sonic pinball and in 3d blast as Panic puppet although the similarity is noticeable and gives an air of that level, Dust hill was only a beta name for Mystic Cave, the one I don't know much about is from rock world zone and well, using a hack program in the Simon wai beta, the deleted levels are recorded
Uhm actually unused track 10 is real for hidden palace because if you put in a game genie code and select death Egg on level select, you will go ot hidden palace's remains
Game Genie code: ACLA-ATDR
3:54 i dont think thats the scrapped one, but its better
Av are you sure sky chase zone’s soundtrack was created for a winter level?
Yep!
Not sure if it was ever confirmed but this vid makes a solid argument: th-cam.com/video/74wRhQXhIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DI0UEXBKhpSdwsyv
After all it sounds more like a chill Christmas song than a song made for a level where you chase someone.
Listen closely to the instruments
You can't hear the Christmasy sound
Genocide city is wild💀
The real reason wood and metropolis had the same track was because wood was meant to be the past of metropolis before robotnik industrialized everything
Past| *proto zone(hidden palace beta but survived in phone)* *emerald isle(survived)* *cyber city(found!!!)* *green hill(survived for unused content)* genocide *Death egg(survived)* wood zone(metropolis) madness mountain *ocean wind(that angel islands behind)* sandshower snowy Winter Sonic 1 Special stage tropical plant sun *metropolis(survived)* blue lake *hidden palace(survived into phone or origins)* *rock zone(dead level )*
now|
Aquatic Ruin Zone
Casino Night Zone
Chemical Plant Zone
Metropolis Zone
Mystic Cave Zone
Oil Ocean Zone
Death Egg Zone
Emerald Hill Zone
Hill Top Zone
Wing Fortress Zone
Sky Chase Zone
Hidden Palace Zone
Green Hill Zone (unused content)
Special Stage
Cheats for unused levels are not scrapped for final game
Hidden palace ACLA-ATD4 wood zone FFFE10:0200
Emerald isle FFFE10:0160
sand shower was supposed to have the music from aquatic ruin. becuase if you listen closely you ca hear very western sounding melodies
The demo tracks also seem to support that.
It's not The good the bad and the ugly main theme (which you called the Western theme), it's the Tarzan scream because the level takes place in a judge. The two sound almost identical, so it's no wonder people are confused.
@@genyakozlov1316That doesn't make sense, Tarzan released in 1999 and Sonic 2 began development in 1992.
@@Fughckyou822Tarzan has existed way before the Disney version my guy.
This is what i think
Blue lake custom song
Cyber city sonic delta cyber city music
Death egg same as final
Emerald isle custom song
Emerald hill same as final
Hidden palace track 10
Metropolis same as final
Madness mountain mystic cave final
Ocean wind sonic 2 archives custom song
Sand shower oil ocean final
Rock world word 5.1 from ristar
Special stages same as final
Tropical sun custom song from sonic 2 archives
Wood zone secret jungle emerald hill 2p
The end
We do not know what Madness Mountain's theme sounds like (I'll stick with Casino Night 2P Music)
Ocean Wind was not going to use Emerald Hill's music (i will stick with unused track 10 for it)
Wood Zone was not going to use Metropolis music, as Wood Zone in future, infact, is Casino Night (it was going to use Casino Night 1P Music)
Cyber City was not going to use Chemical Plant Music and we do not know what music belongs to Cyber City (infact, i think they would use Marble Zone music)
Hidden Palace Zone also uses Spring Yard Zone music, infact, it is **technically** the first theme for it.
04:44 Metropolis in the GameBoy Advance version of Sonic 2
04:44
METROPOLIS
Metropolis
Metropolis
What I like to think is ocean wind and tropical plant/sun is on Christmas Island. It’s so close to South Island and isn’t that big, and have a very coastal environment.
although i would assume "unused track 10" would be related or correlated to how hidden palace functioned in some way
Madness Mountain was somewhat confirmed to have been an earlier version of Mystic Cave. The composer said that he composed Mystic Cave's theme for a haunted house level, and one of the devs said that Mystic Cave was going to be a haunted house level.
Okay if Sonic Mania 2 ever happens, they GOTTA put Ocean Wind in there, it looks so cool
Didn't Madness Mountain use the Mystic Cave P1 theme? I thought it was said to originally be composed for a haunted house level?
According to the cutting room floor, one of the programmers said madness mountain was going to be a haunted house level but changed it to a cave.
I wish there were levels made in these extended version
Hidden palace is true. It’s labeled as such in the Masa’s demo (Masato Nakomura)
I think there needs to be new music since lots of the music is already in zones
i love these old songs
Wouldn't Emerald Isle Zone just... be Aquatic Ruin Zone with an early name? They look virtually identical comparing the final zone to the concept art, I mean it's not hard to believe considering Palmtree Panic used to be Salad Plain Zone
The theme for Wood Zone was supposed to be Emerald Hill 2P but a programmer made a typo, resulting in the level playing Metropolis Zone's theme.
0:57 i think the music for mystic cave would go pretty well with cyber city, especially if you listen to the masa's demo version where the main instrument sounds like a siren
Mystic cave not originally planned, "dust hill zone" is - early version of aquatic ruin zone. This is - second desert zone, which is - completly different from sand shower. When they decine to remove some zones - they hybrid emerald isle and dust hill into 1 level, and were got "neo green hill". They did it because they didnt have engouh time, top part of level is a - dust hill zone. Bottom is a - emerald isle zone. Now about your theory about madness mountain music, its - false. Real music of madness mountain is a - mystic cave zone. Casino night 2 player is a - original oil ocean theme. Hill top is a - original hill top theme. Id 10 is a - cutscene theme. Also you called ice level "winter zone", in fact: real name of "winter zone" is a - "rock world zone". Because at concept arts rock world is a - past of sand shower. Also were have concept art that shown that - past of "desert" is an "ice". You said that metropolis zone theme is - wood zone music. This is - false. Wood zone didnt got its own theme, music slot got unchanged from sonic 1.
@Xiao ling [hyperfilipino] whats wrong? My grammer or what? If you talking about my grammer, know im just a - from different country. If you talking about my comment by itself, im sure - you never see concept arts before. Or you just a - not trying to look at details. If you wonder "why i told that there are 2 desert zones, not just sand shower" i already told you reasons, but i have more. Aquatic ruin didnt appear at concept arts, even in "neo green hill" name. But dust hill did. Aquatic ruin music fits desert a bit too well. But were know that sand shower music is a - oil ocean zone. Simon wai layuot shown you that - this level not designed for water sections. Mystic cave have slowed down clown theme, its fits castle like zones. And also fits concept art of madness mountain.
@Xiao ling [hyperfilipino] im updated this comment, my english isnt perfect. So i didnt sure about - all types are fixed, or not.
the sonic monitor under blue lake is actually a sonic monitor in hidden palace zone
It seems that olympus and blue lake zone are meant to be the same zone and in the final version we basically see them combined as the above and below water areas in aquatic ruin. We also see something more like olympus in sonic 3.
3:53 is actually real in s2 2013 remake (mobile) a zone that called proto palace zone this how to do it
1 pick no save mode, press S,E,G,A you should hearing a ring sound
2 in title screen use your two finger to sonic & tails
3 you should be in the level select use code for debug mode, 1,9,9,2,1,1,2,4 and you should hear a ring sound again
4 final code to the "Proto palace zone" 3,3,3,B,10,10,10,4 you should hear ring sound again
5 pick hidden palace zone done now your in "Proto Palace Zone"
The reason why it's Proto Palace is because Proto Palace is exactly how Hidden Palace looked in the Sonic 2 prototypes.
@@HeyBigBoys if you want super sonic without getting chaos emerald use this code 4,1,2,6
funny that the song for metropolis was gonna be used for a wood zone, since it needa to destroy a wood zone to put a metropolis zone
the Madmes Mountain his hill top But his video are theory Idk why Here 2P sound of hidde palace 2P is fake
The beta/prototype, is a real of 1992 Sonic was in american/japan
None of them are confirmed intended musics yet
Actually. Winter and distill zone was confirmed by the main composer
Hidden Palace zone isn't Mystic cave zone 2p
Madness Mountain Looks Like Marble😮
Emerald Hill theme was, in one demo, Star Light's music
That was the Nick Arcade prototype, this one is simon wai
@@thepurpleblurrI know, I said in SOME demos/prototypes
@@ScarfMan_1105 but it was in only one prototype
@@thepurpleblurr oh tanks for telling me I changed it
@@ScarfMan_1105 (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞ ⁿᵒ ᵖʳᵒᵇˡᵉᵐ
Sand Shower is real and the image is from a concept and wood zone is clearly out there already from stuff we already have.
8:59
well, it can't be false or true because Dust Hill and the present are modified by Dr Eggman which is Emerald Hill and the sand shower and the stage that is in the present, but I don't think the sand shower would have a mechanic that modifies the desert for snow, but in the medieval era, the sand shower which is called rock wold and the normal climate, but in the past it was more nervous, which makes perfect sense considering the ice age which, but in the present, does not It's ruined by Dr Eggman, it's desert!
I don't think this guy did too much research.
It's mostly accurate, I don't know what you're talking about
You claim certain OST assignments as "fake" and "real", yet you neglect to explain your reasoning behind these assertions. I am very curious, why do you assign the tracks that you do so confidently? I too am quite curious about the early development of Sonic 2, but I feel that theories need evidence to back them up.
Is comfirmed that Sky clase music was originally for winter zone.
Metropolis theme doesn’t really fit Wood Zone in my opinion. I always thought Emerald Hill 2P’s theme was more fitting. Same with Sand Shower having Aquatic Ruin’s theme.
i have a theory that tropical sun and emerald isle became aquatic ruin
Its strange hearing this songs now knowing were they came from could u imagine if the zones never existed and we got the cut zones songs instead u would say that song is from chemical plant etc i wish they got the old team remade sonic 2 or added it in origins so that the player could hace a taste what sonic 2 was like before it was cut
Can someone comment with the snowy concept art image?
It doesn’t exist, they just made a mock-up with placeholder graphics
If you put in 03, 03, 03, 0B, 10, 10, 10 and 04 and select Hidden Palace Zone, it will be changed to Proto Palace Zone (Mobile only)
(After you input debug mode's code)
And the music will be the unused track 10.
True. And this have sound track 10.
Death egg is like ring sound
I imagine it would go something like this
Emerald Hill stays the same
Ocean Wind (EHZ 2P Music)
Woods (MCZ 2P Music)
Sand Shower (OOZ Music)
Metropolis stays the same
Aquatic Ruin and Hill Top stay the same
Hidden Palace (Unused Track 10)
Rock World (SCZ Music)
Oil Ocean (CNZ 2P Music)
Mystic Cave stays the same
Chemical Plant and Casino Night stay the same
Cyber City (DEZ Music)
Death Egg (WFZ Music)
I didnt include Tropical Sun because i believe that it was scrapped so early in development that it either never had music or its music was repurposed for another zone
Also I didnt include blue ocean or madness mountain because i think that blue ocean is just an early name for hidden palace, and madness mountain is an early version of mystic cave.
HIDDEN PALACE HAVE HIS OWN MUSIC!
Yes
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hidden palace would have used the unused track 10 since this was supposed to be a bonus zone when you get all the chaos emeralds
7:52 I think so much about that, so Oil Ocean song was originally (dust hill, sand shower, desert dazzle, mirage saloon how the heck is called), was intended to be the desert level, so Oil Ocean have a different song or what?
Oil Ocean was supposed to have the casino night 2p song, but they changed it for some reason
@@From_TexasI don’t know why did they that xD, like it’s weird to see an petroleum plant with a desert theme, the casino night 2p sound more accurate actually
Melody number 10 is the real Hidden Palace melody. When starting a zone using codes game gine we see the logo of this particular zone and hear track 10, also, the location of the rings coincides with the structure of the level.
Wood zone was supposed to use the emerald hill 2p song, but didn't in.the game because of an error
Proto palace theory Song is the true song😊
True.
It is real. It also had a different version. Original it was supposed to end the track off with a majestical ending
The nome death egg is a perfect nome.
1:57 WERE GONNA EXIT THE DEATH EGG WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
9:28
Never saw this image before.
me neither
Yeah i think the desert zone was gonna be winter for no reason
I think it’s concept art for Icecap.
But considering that a lot of Sonic 2 concept art was reused for Sonic 3,it’s safe to assume that the original looked like that.
This person is a brain rot of sonic
rn
How is this brain rot? You don’t know what your talking about
0:57 genocide city was going to replace act 3 of metropolis
where did you get the information for half of these "real" claims lmao
Probably prototypes and level IDs.
Also for sand shower actually just copy the oil ocean cuase there a video a guy made a video with sonic 2 it was sand shower but the music is a copy ver of the oil ocean zone so probbly a zone order I did not look zone order for s2 beta however the song kind fit also if im band english it's because I'm indo
Hidden palace it is its own zone when you collected all 7 chaos emeralds at the end of the game it would take you to hidden palace and then you would of have super sonic
I thought it was when you collected 6 emeralds and the game sent you there to obtain the 7th
The deth egg zone beta should been the same
Metropolis zone should have been scrapped
0:56 what, was chemical plant song?
Chemical Plant's song was the same.
@@HeyBigBoys wait, you mean casino night 2p is also right?
3:57 BRO WHY ARE YOU SAY THIS IS FAKE OR A TEORY. THIS IS REAL.
It’s not.
@@AmeBleu_ov1guy in sonic 2 2013 have the proto palace
Sure.
The winter level concept art was repurposed or solely made for Ice Cap in Sonic 3.
A lot of Sonic 3&K levels are reused Sonic 2 ideas.
@@HeyBigBoysyou're right, just like the mushroom hill concept art looks a lot like wood zone concept art
Death egg- 100 rings theme
Sand shower zone music is just a theory
Madness mountain with track 10 is completely fake
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how is unused track 10 fake or theory when it plays in the simon wai prototype...??
True
True.In sonic 2 mobile have proto palace with sound track 10.
It doesn’t though,MCZ2P theme is the one that plays in the Simon Wai prototype.