Riddle already knew how to make horcruxes and understood how they worked.. all he wanted from Slughorn was his knowledge about the number of horcruxes it would be possible to make… and Slughorn was horrified at the thought of making one let alone more…
You comments on no.1 Theory - in Bk 6, Rowling clearly states from the lips of Dumbledore: that all that Tom Riddle already had his knowledge of Horcruxes. He spoke to Slughorn merely to confirm what he already knew…
I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure its stated in HBP that Merope herself made the potion and gave it to Tom Riddle in some lemonade when he was riding by on a hot day. When her father and brother were in Askaban. Edit So just re read the chapter 10. The House of Gaunt. So Harry suggests either imperious curse or love potion. Dumbledore thinks its most likely a love potion. Seeing Merope was a witch. But her powers were repressed when around her family. But since they were both in Askaban then she probably made it. And stopped giving it to him when she either felt bad or thought he truly was in love with her.
Slughorn was curious about interesting, valuable people, maybe he searched to meet them in his free time? Maybe it was then, when he started to be afraid of becoming someone big himself.?
Lets see. A love potion makes you strongly attracted to someone you would not otherwise be attracted to. Or to put it more bluntly than a children's/young adult book, it makes you want to have sex with someone you would not otherwise want to have sex with. It is a potion designed for rape. I'd say that was pretty damn dangerous. I think they also addressed this in the book. I seem to remember someone saying a more accurate name for "love potion" would be "lust potion"
Absolutely agree (although I don't remember that exact "lust potion" line). I've never understood why the Imperius Curse will get you a life sentence in Azkaban, but giving someone a love potion is considered cute and harmless, when they do very similar things.
@@SeanSinclair821 Well, the curse will allow you to control someone to do anything, even crimes such as murder. Lets say someone wants to kill your wife. They know they would be caught if they did it themself, so they cast the imperious curse, force you to do it, and your wife is dead, and you go to prison. A love potion just makes you want to sleep with someone you would not otherwise sleep with. The most disturbing part for me was, this was usually something girls do to boys, and for this reason no one saw this for what it is. Rape. If a boy gave a girl something that would get her to agree to sex with someone they would not otherwise want, it would clearly be seen as rape. The "lust potion" was from me, not the books. I just think it would be a more appropriate label, considering what it does.
There are multiple love potions, many traditionaly held in families. Amortentia is simply THE PERFECT love potions. I can explain further and add proofs.
At 4:10... Started teaching 1931. If he was born in 1914, that's a 17 year old professor. How did he take his OWLs and become a professor same year? Lol
Driven by fear and guilt may be the case but others, me included to a degree, feel it was more evil keeping that secret after all this time. As in reguards to a degree. The threat of being sent to Azkaban Prison frightens even those who never had done anything wrong in their life. Of course put in that position and knowing Dumbledore probably more than we know him and his abilities. He would be the best and only person I would feel a duty to let in on the ordeal. Just my opinion of course.
I don't think Merope used a love potion; it seems more likely to me that she used the Imperius Curse on Tom Riddle Sr. It seems very unlikely that Marvolo would've permitted Merope to attend Hogwarts when he considered her a Squib; plus, he probably thought Hogwarts was too infested with Mudbloods and teachers who were accepting of Mudbloods, like Gormlaith Gaunt did. Marvolo probably home-schooled Morfin, and I'm sure the Unforgiveable Curses would've been part of that home curriculum. I don't know whether he tried to teach Merope or not, but either way, Merope would've at least known all about the Unforgiveable Curses from seeing Morfin practice them. So once Merope was on her own and her magic started flourishing, it would've been a simple matter for her to put an Imperius Curse on the Muggle boy she had such a bad crush on. (As Bellatrix once said, you have to really mean it to cast one of those curses successfully, and Merope would've meant it with all her heart.) We know that Merope did have a wand, because Morfin taunts her, "what's your wand for, you useless sack of muck?" Also, I never bought Dumbledore's speculation that Tom Riddle Sr. would've happily accepted a drink from Merope while riding his horse past the Gaunt shack. Tom was completely repulsed by the Gaunt family, and if he even slowed down enough to talk to Merope (a big "if" already), it seems unlikely to me that he would have taken a beverage from her. So, to me, it's hard to see how she would have gotten him to consume the love potion, whereas casting the Imperius Curse only required pointing her wand at him.
Pretty sure its directly stated in HBP Merope used a love potion hidden in lemonade she gave to Tom Riddle one hot day he was going by. It might even be stated she made the potion herself . But I havent read it in long time so I'LL have to read that chapter again
@@auntiewewe972 Actually, Dumbledore says explicitly that he doesn't know for sure whether it was the Imperius Curse or a love potion. Then he goes on, here's how I imagine it probably went, and describes the scenario you mention as a possibility. He never mentions anything about Merope making the potion herself, even in his guesswork. HBP, chapter "House of Gaunt": "The Imperius Curse?" Harry suggested. "Or a love potion?" "Very good. Personally, I am inclined to think she used a love potion." [...] "We must do a certain amount of guessing here, although I do not think it is difficult to deduce what happened." [...] "What went wrong?" asked Harry. "Why did the love potion stop working?" "Again, this is guesswork," said Dumbledore, "[...] I believe she made the choice to stop giving him the potion."
@@SeanSinclair821 yes I went back and re read the chapter. As it had been a long time. I did remember some bits of it. Like Harry suggesting the imperious curse. And Dumbledore reminding Harry that Merope was a witch and stuff like that and how her brother and father repressed her magic. But nope it never was stated whether Merope used a potion, or curse.
Riddle already knew how to make horcruxes and understood how they worked.. all he wanted from Slughorn was his knowledge about the number of horcruxes it would be possible to make… and Slughorn was horrified at the thought of making one let alone more…
You comments on no.1 Theory - in Bk 6, Rowling clearly states from the lips of Dumbledore: that all that Tom Riddle already had his knowledge of Horcruxes. He spoke to Slughorn merely to confirm what he already knew…
I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure its stated in HBP that Merope herself made the potion and gave it to Tom Riddle in some lemonade when he was riding by on a hot day. When her father and brother were in Askaban. Edit So just re read the chapter 10. The House of Gaunt. So Harry suggests either imperious curse or love potion. Dumbledore thinks its most likely a love potion. Seeing Merope was a witch. But her powers were repressed when around her family. But since they were both in Askaban then she probably made it. And stopped giving it to him when she either felt bad or thought he truly was in love with her.
Thank you for the video 😊
Where are you getting the "Grey Cardinal" reference from? I don't remember that phrase ever being used in the books, much less the movies.
Slughorn was curious about interesting, valuable people, maybe he searched to meet them in his free time? Maybe it was then, when he started to be afraid of becoming someone big himself.?
Lets see. A love potion makes you strongly attracted to someone you would not otherwise be attracted to. Or to put it more bluntly than a children's/young adult book, it makes you want to have sex with someone you would not otherwise want to have sex with.
It is a potion designed for rape. I'd say that was pretty damn dangerous.
I think they also addressed this in the book. I seem to remember someone saying a more accurate name for "love potion" would be "lust potion"
Absolutely agree (although I don't remember that exact "lust potion" line). I've never understood why the Imperius Curse will get you a life sentence in Azkaban, but giving someone a love potion is considered cute and harmless, when they do very similar things.
@@SeanSinclair821 Well, the curse will allow you to control someone to do anything, even crimes such as murder.
Lets say someone wants to kill your wife. They know they would be caught if they did it themself, so they cast the imperious curse, force you to do it, and your wife is dead, and you go to prison.
A love potion just makes you want to sleep with someone you would not otherwise sleep with. The most disturbing part for me was, this was usually something girls do to boys, and for this reason no one saw this for what it is. Rape.
If a boy gave a girl something that would get her to agree to sex with someone they would not otherwise want, it would clearly be seen as rape.
The "lust potion" was from me, not the books. I just think it would be a more appropriate label, considering what it does.
Anothwr good video my friend. 😊
There are multiple love potions, many traditionaly held in families. Amortentia is simply THE PERFECT love potions.
I can explain further and add proofs.
At 4:10... Started teaching 1931. If he was born in 1914, that's a 17 year old professor. How did he take his OWLs and become a professor same year? Lol
Driven by fear and guilt may be the case but others, me included to a degree, feel it was more evil keeping that secret after all this time. As in reguards to a degree. The threat of being sent to Azkaban Prison frightens even those who never had done anything wrong in their life. Of course put in that position and knowing Dumbledore probably more than we know him and his abilities. He would be the best and only person I would feel a duty to let in on the ordeal. Just my opinion of course.
It made me wonder if he has skills in divination if he could tell who would become great or important
I don't think Merope used a love potion; it seems more likely to me that she used the Imperius Curse on Tom Riddle Sr. It seems very unlikely that Marvolo would've permitted Merope to attend Hogwarts when he considered her a Squib; plus, he probably thought Hogwarts was too infested with Mudbloods and teachers who were accepting of Mudbloods, like Gormlaith Gaunt did. Marvolo probably home-schooled Morfin, and I'm sure the Unforgiveable Curses would've been part of that home curriculum. I don't know whether he tried to teach Merope or not, but either way, Merope would've at least known all about the Unforgiveable Curses from seeing Morfin practice them. So once Merope was on her own and her magic started flourishing, it would've been a simple matter for her to put an Imperius Curse on the Muggle boy she had such a bad crush on. (As Bellatrix once said, you have to really mean it to cast one of those curses successfully, and Merope would've meant it with all her heart.) We know that Merope did have a wand, because Morfin taunts her, "what's your wand for, you useless sack of muck?"
Also, I never bought Dumbledore's speculation that Tom Riddle Sr. would've happily accepted a drink from Merope while riding his horse past the Gaunt shack. Tom was completely repulsed by the Gaunt family, and if he even slowed down enough to talk to Merope (a big "if" already), it seems unlikely to me that he would have taken a beverage from her. So, to me, it's hard to see how she would have gotten him to consume the love potion, whereas casting the Imperius Curse only required pointing her wand at him.
Pretty sure its directly stated in HBP Merope used a love potion hidden in lemonade she gave to Tom Riddle one hot day he was going by. It might even be stated she made the potion herself . But I havent read it in long time so I'LL have to read that chapter again
@@auntiewewe972 Actually, Dumbledore says explicitly that he doesn't know for sure whether it was the Imperius Curse or a love potion. Then he goes on, here's how I imagine it probably went, and describes the scenario you mention as a possibility. He never mentions anything about Merope making the potion herself, even in his guesswork.
HBP, chapter "House of Gaunt":
"The Imperius Curse?" Harry suggested. "Or a love potion?"
"Very good. Personally, I am inclined to think she used a love potion."
[...]
"We must do a certain amount of guessing here, although I do not think it is difficult to deduce what happened."
[...]
"What went wrong?" asked Harry. "Why did the love potion stop working?"
"Again, this is guesswork," said Dumbledore, "[...] I believe she made the choice to stop giving him the potion."
@@SeanSinclair821 yes I went back and re read the chapter. As it had been a long time. I did remember some bits of it. Like Harry suggesting the imperious curse. And Dumbledore reminding Harry that Merope was a witch and stuff like that and how her brother and father repressed her magic. But nope it never was stated whether Merope used a potion, or curse.
What if the Help came from the Salazar's locket? Dumbledore only guessed...
What if Merope had a classic ordinary grimoire of the Gaunt family, a own made book with ideas, spells, all the necessary stuff and secrets?
What if she got family's grimoire?
Imperio itself would be usable at first.
We have only speculations about a great many things, done by the one, who assumed a lot wrong.
🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁009