Why Lupin NEEDED To Die | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today Ben dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to discuss why Remus John Lupin had to die in the battle of Hogwarts. Why his death was essential for Harry’s journey and how it thematically ties into the passing of the torch to the next generation
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Lupin being the last marauder to go is poetic. Because he is the glue that brought and held them together. Lupin was the reason they all became animagus and always the voice of reason.
yeah... both poetic and sad. very fitting for remus
@@linexi indeed
@grec the plural for "animagus" is "animagi"...
Plus it’s poetic he’s the last to die yet first listed on the map: Messrs Moony(Lupin:4), Wormtail(traitor:3), Padfoot(Sirius:2) and Prongs(James:1) proudly present the Marauders Map
@@danielkopcha2011 They all die in reverse order as well.
when you talked about the similarities between Sirius and Ron and mentioned Sirius' animagus I thought you would mention the fact that Ron's patronus is also a dog. That's what sells it for me.
I think the “character flaw” that Ginny corrected was getting to live her life. That sounds harsh, but hear me out. If my math is mathing, Lily was only 20 when she went into hiding and 19 when she became pregnant, so she only had 1-2 years of getting to live her post-school life and most of that was likely spent fighting Voldemort’s rising power, so she never really got to live. Ginny on the other hand got to play professional quidditch and gets to raise her children, the things Lily was denied, so while it’s not really correcting a flaw of Lily’s, it is a change for the next generation.
I like that. One could also add that Ginny got to enjoy a much better relationship with her siblings than Lily did with Petunia. Again, this very obviously wasn't Lily's fault during her generation, but adds to the theme of nice things Ginny got to have that were denied Lily (that to be clear they both obviously deserved)
There's also the Weasley legacy of being able to do anything if you have enough nerve.
Yesssss! And Ginny carries Lily’s legacy on with Lily Jr. lol. Love it!
Contrary to what some may believe, getting pregnant and becoming a parent is in fact absolutely not the end of your life, in fact it makes all your days living much much brighter and more meaningful.
@@errolpeverell4000 you’ll notice I mentioned that Ginny getting to raise her children was in fact part of her living. My original post wasn’t disparaging Lily for having a baby, it was just to imply that she had another life to protect at that point, making it even more tragic that she didn’t get to live. She didn’t get to celebrate her pregnancy with her friends and family. She couldn’t take her child to a park like a normal parent because she was in hiding. That was all I meant by that.
I think he was also the last remaining parental figure in Harry's life (Arthur and Molly, while certainly taking care of him and caring about him, always felt like his friend's parents than his own). His death seems to take away that last blanket of safety, right in the moments before Harry must face his ultimate challenge and make his most mature decision to sacrifice himself. It gives that sense of Harry not having anyone to go to for advice, and having to be truly grown up and making this decision for himself and wanting to live up to all his parental figures and idols who died for him to be there.
Ben's "in the stomach" while pointing at his heart is a great callback to neville saying Harry is still with them all and pointing to his stomach
Me reading the title: False he didn't, it was just to cause us pain
Yeah, that too 😢
Exactly. JK was literally just deciding what characters to kill off for maximum emotional impact.
Right?!
@@williamslater-vf5ym What else do you want? To have no feelings??? abviosly its to maximise emotinal impact
@stubannati She could have just chosen Luna, or McGonagall and it would have had the same impact. To me it felt like meaningless filler.
"He already comes round for dinner about four times a week...." Teddy is not only the son of a werewolf, but is also a teenage boy. Can you imagine the grocery bill?
Thank god he's Harry Potter and has the Potter's and Black's fortunes
@@AndyOrtiz13 And, presumably, whatever money Lupin and Tonks had. It would stand to reason that if Lupin and Tonks had decided, prior to the Battle of Hogwarts, that Harry would become Teddy's Godfather, they would have left their money to Harry to use to raise Teddy and help out Andromeda (which she would probably need since Ted was killed by Death Eaters while on the run, although given who Andromeda is, it wouldn't be out of the question for her to be filthy stinking rich).
Four*
And a metamorphmagus. That surely uses a lot of energy lol
@@seantodd8875 I can see Teddy shape shifting half of the times he shows up for dinner, because he can!
Have you guys ever done a comparison video between the Dursleys and the Malfoys?
Both happen to be high class/stuck-up families consisting of a father, mother, and spoiled son, and both give Harry grief; as time goes on, however, their once "perfect" lives end up going downhill, whether its the Dursleys having to leave their home because of the threat of Death Eaters, or the Malfoys living in fearful loyalty to Voldemort BECAUSE they're Death Eaters.
I feel that Draco and Dudley mirror each other best: both are raised by their parents to be "the best", bully Harry, and happen to be full of themselves. However, both end up changing in different ways by the 6th and 7th books...
Idk. I just think it would be interesting to discuss.
They sort of did in another video… trying to remember which one, but they compared Dudley to Draco in the sense of being golden child, “can do no wrong” bullies who are just parroting their parents beliefs and once they experience more the world they start to change their behavior. They didn’t go into a super deep comparison though, so I think they could do a separate video about it for sure and still make it interesting!
The first thing that Harry thought when he the very first time met Draco was the comparison to Dudley
Something interesting about the death of the Marauders : The order in which they're named on the Map is the reverse order of their respective deaths.
On the map : Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.
Order of their deaths : James, Sirius, Peter, Remus
oh wow
but Snape didnt die. do they forget their own theories?
Wow. Good spot. I hope they see your comment
@@djddm8760 what do you mean?.. Snape died..I don't recall them having a theory that Snape didn't die. Can you remind me what it was ?
@@UnfazedPhoenix the theory basically was that as a master of potions he would not die to something as chemical/simple as snake venom. Also when Arthur got attacked, the hospital created a Nagini specific antidote. So he had an antidote, was the master of potions and also there is no mentioning about his corpse being brought into the great hall to the good dead people or to the chamber with the bad dead people.
Agreeing with your theory, I think that one of the keys to Harry's success is the acceptance and support towards Luna and Neville, which the Marauders were unable to give to Snape and Peter, who contributed most to their failure.
How did the marauders not accept/support peter?
@@TheBabylane2 They didn't give him a chance to prove himself and snub him. they called him "poor". In Neville's case, they never assumed that he couldn't handle something.
Sirius represents fleeting hope. For just a brief moment Harry had that chance of having a proper home, a proper family.
Sirius' death cemented him having to live with his freakin' awful relatives every summer.
I think the emphasis was more on having true family like you said in the beginning, rather then about the Dursley's so much. After Sirius dies, Harry barely spends any time at the Dursleys the following summer and after that the trio is off hunting horcruxes. Ya know?
Harry would have had to go to the Dursley's even if Sirius was proven innocent and didn't die because of the blood protection
@roseszymanski I dunno about that cause Harry often stayed at the Weasley's half the time anyways and things were fine.
I assumed the Snape parallel was going to be Malfoy, and hearing Luna made me very confused for a moment
Yeah I personally think Snape is a better parallel for Malfoy, and their theory of a better generation still sticks. Like Sev and James, Harry and Draco are fast enemies and spend most of their school years berating and dueling (though Harry doesn't bully the way James does obviously, if anything, he's the one being bullied). Draco was also raised by a bad father and has a love for the dark arts. The difference is that when the time comes, it truly seems that Draco did not want to take the steps that he did. He was forced into the death eater position by his father. And after the war, he seems to change as a person, marrying and truly loving his son in a healthy way. Though he'll never be a saint, I don't think he's into the same dark arts that his dad was, which is very different than Snape. Though obviously Snape becomes a double agent, he does it only because of Lily, not because of the cause. I think Draco got his redemption off page and changed his way (especially if you take *shudders* cursed child into account)
@anna-racquelperez1500 except that Harry did bully Draco. He typically didn't start it but he did finish it on multiple occasions, especially when they were on the train. And of course let's not forget the sectumsempra incident where he might not have known what it did but he did still attack him with a spell marked for enemies
@AvidAngelOfDeath if Harry isn't the one who started the confrontation, then he isn't the bully, Draco is. Draco would start to bully Harry, and then Harry would defend himself. And when he used sectumsempra, he thought Draco was an enemy(or at least he was very mad with Draco), so it makes sense that he would use that spell, especially because he was not thinking clearly.
I mean… seeing things, he NEEDED to die. The only death that was avoidable, and was avoided indeed, was Arthur’s
He was just too vigilant. You can't have such powerful characters
If arthur died, lupin would be saved, and maybe Fred would too, yk... Becuz someone in the fam woukd already be dead? And if Lupin lived Tonks might still be around too...
@@jehousel6487Arthurs death was replaced with Sirius. If Sirius didn’t die in Order of the Phoenix either they would have died in Half Blood Prince or the beginning of Deathly Hallows or would have both survived.
In my opinion all deaths where written perfekt and each death had a meaning. They are important for character growth and are important to not make the plot boring and unrealistic.
Quirrell is obvious as a clean victory. He needed to die so that there is no further threat.
Cedrik starts the war and the hole story changes. Harry was influenced in a traumatic way and it shows how evil Voldemort is. He needed to die so that he doesn’t outshine Harry next year and let the story move on.
Sirius death shows that all actions have meaning and that harry makes mistakes. He needed to die because he would have been to big as a character in the future that restricts Harry from standing on his own feat. I cant see how he doesn’t join them hunting horcruxes which would have been bad for the story.
Dumbledore was just op. You needed him to die so that Voldemort can actually take over and be a threat. As long as Dumbledore lives Voldemort is weak and has to hide.
Hedwig was important to take all atachments from harry. It would have been weird if she would have been with them camping etc.
Moody was important to show how big the Danger is that nobody is save anymore.
Dobby was important to close his character development as he actually saved Harrys life for the first time. Beeing able to apparate anywhere would have been to op in the future.
Battle of Hogwarts was important that some characters die as it would have been so unrealistic if not.
Fred Weasley death was an accident when the death eaters forced thier way into the school and caused part of the wall to come down. He was just reconnecting with his brother at a time. His death served as a stark reminder at how devastating the war can impact people, how costly it can be. and how devastating it can be for the ones who are left behind to pick up the pieces. This one is just cruel I think.
Yeah, exactly as war is: cruel, useless, randomly pointless loss and heartbreaking trauma. That's what Fred's death reminds us of, even if it's cruel for the reader.
A major difference between Hermione and Lupin is Hermione doesn't turn into a dangerous beast every month. Lupin doesn't outcast himself just because of bullying or non-acceptance. He's trying to protect lives.
In a way, Hermione does the same when she obliviates her parents, outcasting herself to protect their lives.
One would argue every woman turns into dangerous beast once a month
@@Acromion11This was all I could think when I read the comment.
Being a dude rocks.
ehh thats only on full moons though. He physically distances himself when he needs to, but he also emotionally distances himself when he doesnt need to. Specifically when he left Tonks even though he knows she knows and still loves him yknow
@Acromion11 I was hoping someone was gonna say that xD As a woman, yeahhhh I agree. Made worse by the full moon I feel.
Kinda wish Lupin got to kill Fenrir before his death kinda like a "If I go down you will go down with me!" Or you know... not died
I now want some lore for Fredwig. XD
FINALLY someone acknowledges Peter as at least a "reasonably skilled wizard" I feel like he gets thought of as completely Incompetent based on what we see during his school days but I've always thought he was one of the more dangerous Death Eaters and would've liked to see how he handled the Battle of Hogwartz
I know everyone always likens Ron to Sirius but I always love the comparison between Ron and James. Ron, like James, opened his home up for his abused best friend.
I think the video missed the big character flaw that Hermione overcame but Lupin fell to. Lupin was always trying to appease his friends because he was so afraid to lose them since he had so few. McGonagall or maybe Dumbledore stated that they had hoped Lupin would reign in the others, but he just went along with whatever they wanted to do. Hermione, on the other hand, was able to act as the voice of reason to Ron and Harry and was willing to tell them off when they were being pig-headed.
It always bothered me that Lupin's death doesn't get a whole lot of focus in the book or the movie. When Harry sees him and Tonks, the reaction is basically "Well, they died. Off to Snape's memories". Even his inclusion in the Forest feels like more of a need for a fourth person, because he gets the least to do.
He needed to reunite with his friends. The true marauders reunited at long last❤❤
I'm sure they would have been fine waiting another 50 years for him to come along too, or more since it seems wizards can live a lot longer than regular humans.
Just been reading about this. It is basically just to move the plot forward as he became a symbolism of tragedy, hope and sacrifice in war, and for Teddy Lupin to mirror Harry Potter growing up, and for Harry to experience yet more grief and sadness, since he was connected to his father. Not only that, Lupin's death saved Arthur Weasley, who was supposed to die, but instead Remus ended up being the one.
9:52 glad they added the definition of ‘churlish, cause I was about to go google it 😂
Five seconds in and I'm already feeling a murderous rage building within me. Remus...oh, Remus. He and Tonks had even less time with their son than James and Lily did.
It was a wonderful treat to see y'all on Monday!
Thought, what would happen if someone took a Polyjuice Potion of Lupin? Would they then turn into a werewolf if they took it during the full moon? We know Hagrid can't do Polyjuice because he isn't fully human, does that also apply to Lupin? Unrelated to the video, but related to Lupin. Would Tonks be able to take Polyjuice? What happens if you took Polyjuice of Tonks? Anyone else have thoughts?
Weirdly enough, this question is muddied when you consider the scene from both the book Deathly Hallows & the dh pt 1 movie where Kingsley holds Lupin at wandpoint and asks him what the last words of Albus Dumbledore were to them...
So, the question then becomes whether the imperius curse can be used to compel someone to divulge information -- which would make this method of identity verification useless against it, or if Kingsley was actually checking for polyjuice, and also, whether Kingsley was being overcautious or not...
@@lordgiacomos2551 all good points!
My biggest question about the Imperius Curse is how much autonomy does the victim have? Like if you put the curse on me would you need to tell me to do things like eat/sleep/go to the bathroom or are those just basic needs that I (should) know to do anyway?
@@lordgiacomos2551 On those questions HBP says this:
“For future reference, Harry, it is raspberry . . . although of course, if I were a Death Eater, I would have been sure to research my own jam preferences before impersonating myself.”
I always took that to mean crucio , but imperio could work too
@@hufflepom or legilimency
@@lordgiacomos2551 YES!
Imagine if Harry hadn't seen Lupin and Tonks' bodies. How surprised would he have been when he used the resurrection stone and Lupin showed up? lol
He wouldn't have called Lupin with the stone if he hadn't seen his body.
I just realized this with the last clip you showed... no wonder an order of drills will allow the Dursley's to buy a house in Majorca! He has a drill gun that can drill into brick... a drill like that has got to be worth a small fortune.
I hear by start the petition to...Stop Cutting Molly OFF 😂
It's a family friendly channel lol
@@Black-Swan-007wellllllll not excaaaacctttlyyyy. though id love to see the demographics for this channel cause i feel like we’re all mostly young adults or teenagers.
@@Black-Swan-007 and the movie that said line comes from was "family friendly" as well.
I don't want this
@@captainspaulding5963 Deathly Hallows is rated PG13. It's not a family film.
The common trope of the passing of the torch. Passing the mantle from old to new. Common theme but still quite powerful when used well. The passing of these characters represents the story moving on from the past.
Both Remus and Tonks had to die, because Harry had to continue with no adult help, which is a clue that Harry was created in the image of Ender from “Ender’s Game”.
There is a really deep "humming" in almost all the footage. are my headphones too good? any way u guys can look into the noise and maybe reduce it?
YES, thank you I heard it too
@@timplacke1521 nice, im not getting mad^^
And the hum disappears in the clips with sound.
Honestly yes. I hope it gets fixed in the future
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I honestly think that if James was more like Harry, he might have made an ally of Snape, rather than an enemy.
Lily was very much like Harry, but even with all her good start with Snape, she eventually didn't succeed in it
I would argue the entire story is just very focused on Harry wanting and looking for a proper father figure. Like he always has a very special place in his heart for his mother and loves her like we all do our mothers, but he isn’t actively looking for a maternal figure throughout the story. Mrs. Weasley definitely tries to fill that role for him but it doesn’t seem to me like Harry ever views her that way.
Then when it comes to father figures he has a ton, and it seems like he’s always very quick to try and find someone who can fill that role. He has his own dad, Hagrid, Dumbledore, Lupin, Moody (Barty Crouch Jr.), and of course Sirius. He’s just desperate for a a father figure to teach him how to become a better man himself.
Lupin’s name is essentially Werewolf John Wolf
The original Moon Moon
Imagine, if we were to learn it was a nickname all along, and his real name is like, Steve Woodpecker.
It surprises me that they didn't have Luna, whose name means "moon" as Remus's parallel.
5:55, ben with a slytherin moment calling Hermione a mudblood 😂
Right? I actually gasped out loud
I think harry might even parallel Sirius more, growing up in a family that hated him for who he is and fleeing to his best friends house any chance he gets
Yes! And they both had a brother more loved by family
I see why you did.... It feels SOOO wrong comparing Neville to Wormtail...
Harry compared the 2 when he first heard of Pettigrew, before he knew Pettigrew was the traitor.
It’s weird to me that you base your entire view of James on one incident that Harry saw twice from Snape’s point of view. That would be like judging Harry entirely by the Sectumsempra Incident.
wow, last ones to figure out "better-help" is a scam much?
Did anyone else notice that in every video there is this buzzing sound? And it’s for sure just SCB studio as when it cuts to clips it dissapers 😅 I’ve been hearing it ever since I use an IPad (so at least for over a year) that has better sound quality than my phone/ laptop and it’s only SCB videos, particularly in studio only 👀 is it a fan, a machine, a loud lightbulb? And it’s for sure not my tablet’s speakers as when I connect it to an outside speaker I can hear it now too 😅(and still only on SCB videos….) Curious, curious… I’m off to watch the buzzy video now anyways 😊
I always thought if Tonks didn't show up, he would've lived. I think her showing up distracted him (since she was supposed to be at home with their son), and then he gets hit with a killing curse (and then she's so stunned and distraught that she's an easy target to be killed next).
i saw you guys in Boston and got a teaser that this video was coming out and it’s finally here 🎉🎉
Churlish was a word introduced to me thanks to Rangers Apprentice in book 4 Battle for Skandia. A pretty girl offers to carry Will's quiver and it reads something like "After all... it would have been churlish to refuse". And I had to look that word up and the line always stuck with me after that.
Nice touch calling the werewolf's death "silver bullet to the heart" 😂😂
I don’t know why, but when he said “full freaking form” at 12:58 I started laughing so hard
Also also, actually actually, Lupin (like Hedwig) was Harry's last bastion of childhood, a sort of mentor or even father figure on whom Harry could have relied for guidance or protection. Without Lupin, Harry had only himself to rely on when making the decision to sacrifice himself to save "every man, woman and child" who would stand in the way of Voldemort.
What about Hagrid?
@@carlrood4457 Hagrid was a friend to Harry, but never a mentor or father figure like Lupin and Sirius had been.
My theory would be that Lupin had to die so that Teddy would be orphaned. When Harry is at Kings Cross, he decides to come back for those who are still alive - and I think for Teddy in particular, as he is his godfather and last remaining protector.
In the books lavender doesn't die btw. She survives the fall from one of the towers and Hermione blasts greyback off of her "feebly stirring" (meaning weakly moving) body, before he could cause her harm. Yes, the fall from the tower left her in a physically weakened state, however, I think there's a good chance that she could've went on to recover, with the help of madame Pomfrey since she was known for her healing abilities as the Hogwarts nurse.
You went with Snape is the paraellel to Luna and not Draco. Really going for the harder fruit there but I accept the point.
Draco is a better parallel to James. Both are purebloods with indulgent parents, good at Quidditch, have enmity with a halfblood in an opposing House, and express the opinion that they would leave if they got Sorted into their least favorite House (Hufflepuff for Draco and Slytherin for James).
8:00 this is exactly what i learned in therapy and to make a "Done" list instead of a "To-Do" list. Keep track of everything I've accomplished, not everything I haven't
I feel so bad for Colin Creevy’s brother and father. It must be so much harder losing a son to a wizard war when you’re a muggle.
Yes and in my mind he’s still the first year fascinated with Harry’s existence even tho Ginny grew up in my mind Colin didn’t he didn’t deserve it
When the Marauders’ Map introduces itself, it is in reverse order of their deaths. “Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs.”
Video idea- how did Voldemort curse the defense against the dark arts position
I see Harry as paralleling Sirius more while James & Ron are counterparts in their respective generations
Hermione is more like Lily, as is Ginny, Neville is Peter, Luna is Remus, Draco is both Snape and Regulus
I think that Lupids dead also shows the cruelty of war. his death was written off page to show war takes lives relentlessly. while his symbolism to the golden trio is important hos role in showing how real life is
I viewed it as the last straw for Harry, the last point of doubt about what he had to do removed, and made it clear, there would only be more death, if he didn't go to Voldy alone, and right away, to sacrifice himself for the rest.
I personally think Snape is a better parallel for Malfoy, and your theory of a better generation still sticks.
Like Sev and James, Harry and Draco are fast enemies and spend most of their school years berating and dueling (though Harry doesn't bully the way James does obviously, if anything, he's the one being bullied). Draco was also raised by a bad father and has a love for the dark arts. The difference is that when the time comes, it truly seems that Draco did not want to take the steps that he did. He was forced into the death eater position by his father. And after the war, he seems to change as a person, marrying and truly loving his son in a healthy way. Though he'll never be a saint, I don't think he's into the same dark arts that his dad was, which is very different than Snape. Though obviously Snape becomes a double agent, he does it only because of Lily, not because of the cause. I think Draco got his redemption off page and changed his way (especially if you take *shudders* cursed child into account)
What if the duseleys went to the triwazard tournament and realized all the horror harry has to deal wity?
Being they were muggles and relatives of Harry, I'd say they would be near the top of Voldemort's "to kill" list. To which they would have to move somewhere else if they wanted to stay safe. And I doubt the Order of the Phoenix would help them based on the Dursley's hatred of magic unless Professor Dumbledore said otherwise.
I mean, that really makes it worse to me. Arthur was spared so lupin had to die? Arthur who has raised so many children, lived with a lot of happiness in his life, and only ever faced discrimination by choosing to be himself and Loving muggle artifacts, needed to live; and so lupin, who was discriminated against for being a werewolf all his life, hated himself to the point he didn't Believe he deserved happiness because of something he had NO control over, and finally meets someone who won't let him hate himself enough to keep her out, he needed to die and cut short the glimmer of happiness that was finally starting. Excellent thinking. Bc for whatever reason the universe just loves stepping in remus john lupin when all he ever did was be a good man.
btw, you guys have some sort of electrical hum in your microphone. I have noticed it on the last few videos
Here's my question, not sure if yall made a video on it yet, but do you think voldamort would have fail the first time had Snape not switched sides because of his love for Lilly.
Basically, what if Snape was still a death eater, or better yet, actually undercover for the death eater and not Dumbledore.
Snape switched sides after Lilly died. He was like "Kill the baby and kill James, but let Lilly live". Voldemot was like "sure!". This was what saved Harry. Voldemort had no intention to kill Lilly. Because she sacrificed herself when she did not need to die, Harry was protected. If Snape did not plead for her life, Voldemort would have just killed all 3 without an issue.
13:04 this clips makes me chuckle every time
Are you guys going to bring back what if?
I forever stand, that the only unnecessary death in the series was, Dobby. I get that, Harry told Dobby never to save his life again and Dobby, viewing Harry as his master, had to punish himself, it was still totally unnecessary for my poor Dobby to die.
Dude. What if Hermione died during the chamber of secrets?
The SCB's would make it so that she didn't matter. Everything would still happen with just a few slight changes.
@@matthewpatrick7263 SCB?
@@dreamcream3738 Super Carlin Brothers
@@matthewpatrick7263 Thanks
Fun fact, the Marauders also died in the opposite way their names were listed on the map. Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, Prong; James, Sirius, Peter, Lupin.
I was thinking basically the same thing. To make room for the next generation. You put a lot more meaning into it than I would have though.
⚠️Off topic from video, day ten of asking for what ifs⚠️
1: What if Dudley went to Hogwarts? I think he'd be a Hufflepuff and be pretty good at defense against the dark arts and I think it would be fun to have him be good at divination cause none of the golden trio are good at or even seem to respect it.
2: What if Aang died with the other Air nomads and one of the other main characters eventually became the Avatar? I think the most interesting would be Sokka and Zuko.
3: What if Prim became the Mockingjay? The only way I see this happening is if Katniss gets caught hunting and either gets killed or sent to the Capital and becomes an avox, a year or two before Prims game so she gets some survival skills not as good as Katniss but better than nothing.
Lupin and Tonks had to die so that their "til death do us part," comes quickly..... Dora forced Remus to marry her, and got Molly and a bunch of others to bully him into it. He didn't want to marry her. He didn't Love her. He felt she was too young for him. He was depressed after their wedding, and wanted to flee from the child.
It wasn't until Harry scolded Remus, and then Remus seeing his son...holding his son...his own blood, that a parent's Love takes over. Remus Loves his son, and then decides to love Dora. But it is only the Love of his son that makes him love Dora.
If they had lived, I think they would have eventually gotten divorced.
I know, very unpopular view of EXACTLY WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THE PAGE!
Everyone wants to think Remus Loves Dora, but there is nothing on the page that indicates that. And several things that deny that want.
But no, Remus does NOT Love Dora. Their "til death do us part," needed to come quickly.
If he didn't love her he could you know... say it
@@ОльгаПетрова-у5з he did. When Molly is pressuring him, in the hospital wing, after Dumbledore's death, and he gives a ton of reasons to not be with Dora. And when he shows up in Grimauld Place wanting to join the trio, and Harry basically cusses Lupin out for having cold feet.
@@wrdreads4742 tons of reasons not to be with does not equal to not loving. I mean if he just say I don't want to be with you not because I don't think I deserve it or something but because I just don't love you, sorry - would anybody want to force him to be with her? It doesn't make you happy to have a relationship with the person who doesn't love you even if you love that person, so IT should be his main argument not the stuff about his finances or health, then why he never used it. Actually he could say it even if he did love her to make her go away, he could lie about it. But he didn't, or maybe did somewhere offscreen and nobody believed him, I think because he kinda not really good at lying, which is strange for Marauder's Map creator who covered many mischieves being a prefect and for a spy, but yeah, he feels like that kind if person, he massively prefer be evasive and 'not saying' instead of telling direct lie. And to tell he doesn't love Tonks is to tell a lie, that's why he didn't use this card. All of this of course doesn't means they would automatically be happy together because love is not enough though
Before watching: Yeah you’re gonna have to work OVERTIME to convince me of this
After watching: Wow I genuinely did not think you’d be able to do that AND YOU DID NOT I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS EXPLANATION AND YOU TAKE THAT BACK THIS INSTANT
No shade towards the Carlin Brothers, but reminder not to use Betterhelp. They cannot be trusted, spread the word.
Teddy Lupin losing both his parents was suppose to be a reflection of what happened to Harry from what I remember. But he doesn’t have to suffer like Harry did because he’s surrounded by people who love him.
You know, that Luna quote of "Things we lose have a way of coming back to us in the end" is a quite mean thing to say to a literal orphan. But of course, when Harry goes to his end, his loses does come back to him to take him there. Poor Harry.
She is half-orphan herself, so
You guys look for any excuse to add the Voldemort laughing clip. I love it 😂
just a quick question since all the marauders are dead does that mean the map quit working since the creators are gone just like the fish and Lily.
Why would it? James is dead for the entirety of the story, but you still see "James" respond to Snape when Snape tries to force the map to reveal it's secrets.
@@RandomCarrot2806 so basically what your saying is the map is like the sorting hat even tho the creators are no longer here their magic still continues within the object
@@ToxicNyteShade Yes? Why would you assume it would stop working? Can you name a single item that stops working as intended throughout the series because it's creator died?
Maybe I'm forgetting one, but the only spells I can remember we ever see broken by death throughout the series is Dumbledore's stun on Harry in book 6 and Voldemorts curse on the defense against the dark arts position at Hogwartz.
@@RandomCarrot2806 yes as in my first comment I compared it to Lilly's fish she gave to professor Slughorn when she died it disappeared but as my Husband explained that the fish was a conjuration as the map was physical with Magic put into . By the way Thank you for the discussion 🙂
@@ToxicNyteShade Went and looked it up. That fish, according to the wiki, isn't mentioned in the main 7 books, it's only appearances is from one of the films and a mobile game.
Here is something I have never thought of idk if anyone else has so here it goes: When Harry gets teleported to Little Hangleton Graveyard in GoF and Voldy returns and they dual. Shouldn't the Ministery be informed of Harry using magic outside of Hogwarts? Just a thought.
It happens during the school year, so I imagine that the Ministry ignores all underage magic use during that time. They probably only really monitor underage magic during the summer and Christmas holidays.
please filter out the humming background sound, from the a/c or something.
Nice video guys
This is a good time to remember that snape's bad hair is likely majorly down to the potter family monopoly on hair potions
Interesting. I never thought about that before, but you thought it out and articulated it well. A beautiful theory.
7:32 no thank you, I would rather not have my data sold when I’m at my most vulnerable
Whether or not you believe Lupin should’ve died, I think we can all agree that it was completely unnecessary for Tonks to die as well.
Just to mention the argument in the video: Then Harry would not be the one giving the next generation orphan a fitting place to belong
@@HetAppelMoesje yes that’s true and I like the sentiment, but I’d much rather just not have Teddy be orphaned at the end of the series. Plus most people probably don’t even know what Harry did considering it’s in the epilogue.
love the og logo at the end!
I accept your reasoning. However, consider if Arthur died and Lupin lived (while Tonks still died). That would have made for a very interesting scenario with the Weasley kids supporting their widowed mother and Lupin having to raise Teddy on his own, struggling to learn how to be part of society for his son.
Actually bringing the elves to fight would be quite an advantage, they seem to be fricking powerful, as Dobby manages to defeat Lucius 1 on 1.
Hey I have a question, why was Bellatrix's avada kedavra different? It looked a little weak against Sirius. Make him stumble before falling back. When voldy's was instant against Cedric.
One was cast by arguably the second most powerful wizard ever, against a child. The other was cast by a powerful adult wizard against another, equally powerful wizard would be basically the only valid explanation here
@@captainspaulding5963 Except it was Pettigrew who AKed Cedric, not Voldemort. Also, in the books Bellatrix didnt use Avada Kedavra, it was just artistic license by the film makers. AK instantly kills anyone it hits, regardless of how powerful the caster or the person it hits is.
Can't belive you haven't included Serius Black into the preview list.. (((
Serius was absolutely outstanding
I love this so much. Specially bc HP teaches us, that death isn't the worst outcome and can even mean growth - as we see with Dumbledore f.e.
It's really beautiful to see, how the next generation can learn from the last and improve apon that.
Can you please do a video on flur or Luna I love both characters and I have asked a lot of channels in the past year
As far as comparisons to the marauders. What if we drop Neville, and draco was meant to be the 4th of the group.
“What if the golden trio had a misfit 4th?”
I can picture Harry and draco being the best friends, while hermione is the smart one, and Ron becomes the unlikely hero
I read somewhere that the reason Lupin was chosen to die over Arther was because Rowling’s husband pleaded for his safety as Arther Weasley was his favorite character.
Because in order to make the Battle of Hogwarts have impact you have to kill off strong characters to demonstrate the threat level of the enemy.
If nobody gets killed, that scene doesn't hit as hard
But really? Luna? Are you kidding? 😅
Piton's figure in the modern age is of course Draco.
The big hated rival who in the end does the right choice and doesn't provide the killing of his "archenemy".
I mean, I thought it was... _Pretty obvious!_
Draco doesn't really have as many similarities with Snape as he does with James. Both James and Draco are purebloods with parents that spoiled them, play Quidditch, are rivals with a halfblood in the opposite house, and said that they would leave if they got Sorted into their least favorite house (Slytherin for James and Hufflepuff for Draco).
Reading the title with the song "Earl Had to Die" in your head. GOOOOOOOOOOBYYYEEEEE Lupin!
Also while Hermione always stands up to bullying even if the people doing the bullying are people she cares about as far as i can tell Lupin never stood up against the bullying James and Sirius pull which is another way she improves on her sort of predecessor.
I think Lupin was ashamed of his werewolf form and wanted to die so he wouldn't cause harm to anyone else and as sad as it was, died next to his beloved right by her side after overcoming his shame and finding peace.
"Certainly hits us right in the stomach on the beach with a dagger" OMG WHY
Lupin was actually meant to survive. JK said that she even wrote him alive at the end but had to rewrite his death, and I also think it made more sense. The reasons she gave was: she wanted all of Harry’s father figures dead, plus she wanted to show another orphan (Teddy Tonks), that like Harry lost his parents during a war against Voldemort. I also think it’s more fitting and sad to have all the Marauders gone. And also including his ghost walking Harry to the forest was a “good” change. I mean I loved the character and hated that he died on a side note.