People compare this to the Avata but I don't really think they are competitors. They do look somewhat alike but that's where it ends. The Avata is a DJI drone with all the bells and whistles that come with being a DJI drone. For people who really don't want to lose their drone and they aren't yet super experienced pilots, the Avata gives you WAY more. The fact that you can fly it is Normal, Sport, or Acro means you can learn at your own pace and minimize risk. The Avata flies WAY longer at over 20 minutes per battery. The Avata is running DJI's Ocusync so it flies much farther and if it failsafes, it will just fly back to you. The downside of the Avata is the tight controls on where you can and can't take off and fly. Also, my Avatas do a weird thing where I will be flying in manual and if I get "too far and too high" (that's the message I get) then it brakes and forces me back into Normal mode. I don't know why that is but both of mine to it and my DJI FPV drones also do that. So, just my thoughts on the comparison. The Avata is a great drone with some drawbacks. I don't have a Defender (yet) but from what I can tell, it is a nice little zoomy whoop, but the Avata is a better, all around drone for a beginner or even just for specific needs like high risk area flying (cliffs, above dense forests or other plant growth, over water) where you really need it to come back if it failsafes. I really enjoy your videos! Keep it up!
I have to agree that the design of these proprietary batteries leaves a lot to be desired. The *only advantage to these is that they clip into the frame, so you don't have to use a battery strap. In all other aspects they are *less practical* than standard LiPos! At least with the Avata, the batteries charge (and self-discharge) automatically, and are much more convenient to use (at least with the Fly More kit). Yes, they cost way too much, but at least their particular proprietary design offers some actual advantages over regular LiPos. With these Defender 25 batteries, there is no clear or logical reason for their proprietary design. Not even extra flight time. WTF, iFlight???
iFlight is only making changes like these to make their drones look more like a consumer product. They want it to look more appealing to the masses and not look like something you have to slap together yourself. For everyone already in FPV yes it is kind of dumb though. At least they didn't make it impossible to use other lipos if you so choose.
I believe adding BMS would make them much cooler, and providing a multi charge rail, probably even more proprietary but more practival for traveling, but also would drive up the cost and there is no real integration with drone software, like a beginner can still overdischarge and damage the lipo unlike dji stuff But yeah at least putting the usbc charger in the charging plate would be dope and still doable
Thanks for nice video. I wish I would have seen this before I purchased the Avata. Living in LA/California I can not fly the Avata in a lot of places I want to because of the dam zone restrictions and having to be tied to my dam phone SUCKS, it is a deal breaker. My Avata is going back for a refund I am done with DJI., only had it a few days. iFlight lets get some better flight time, and better charging methods like Rimzler suggested than you can start competing with DJI. I am buying one of these. I have the older Protek 25, I decided to try the DJI Avata, bad choice due to restrictions.
Yeah this drone laws are Soo stupid😓 but luckily all classic FPV drones don't care where you fly! I want to try putting a li ion on a 3.5 inches, maybe can get a lot of flight time
Not sure how it's going to be an avata killer. Seems to be half the drone for almost the same price. Wish it was cheaper wanted to get one but not at nearly the same price as the avata.
Had a couple of crashes but nothing major so far and still not broken, heard people having issues especially crashing on the back of it, the plastic is very stiff so it breaks if you crash hard enough, also all the extra plastic makes the drone heavier and has more momentum
I believe they will release the equivalent but in 3.5 inch size still with the proprietary batteries, this is to appeal to a broader market as it looks more industrial and less homemade i believe Still the batteries are compatible with other drones, they are just long but work great on the explorer lr for example, and you can still use any lipo you want on it, just have to find a way to mount it lol
@@Rimzler Thank you for your insight, and fine review. I understand the business model for this one. I just hope they keep making fantastic fpv drones as they do now ;-) Personally the GEPRC Cinebot 30 is more to my taste. If they make 3.5 of that one...
What would you choose between Cinelog20, Defender25 or Avata for real estate cinewhoop? Convenience and ease of use to be able to plug and play are most important to me, so I can be ready to shoot and charge without hassles. Not interested in acro or the lightest setup, as I will be mostly flying indoor anyway in slow, controlled manner.
Hi. I stupidly wiped the Defender 25 Betaflight configuration. I can't find the default one online anywhere. Would you or anyone else here have it by any chance. Would be much appreciated.
@@Sylo2Nice I want more portability and better battery life. Not to mention the commando 8 has a higher internal output power. When actually using the controller though I do enjoy the feel of the zorro.
@@_tcmore you mean internal output for express lrs? I just bought the zorro and your right about batter life. I had the frsky xlite first version. Even though the batteries are also small the xlite had better battety life when i use my crossfire.
@@_tcmore man i know. Its a great radio to use though. I got the one pyrodrone put out with the cnc gimbals. I guess ill buy the external battery they sell to use with it. Sucks though
@@Rimzler well, i love the battery solution, i love the weight and prop guards, i love the way it fly's, but mostly i love its cat chasing abilities hehehe
I’m thinking of getting one of these as my first steps into ‘real’ fpv Kwads. I fly dji fpv and Avata currently. I was originally planning on getting the Nazgûl but think this might be a better first option. I was going to buy a tbs tango 2 for a controller but what would people recommend between that, the iflight controller or just using my dji fpv remote 2? I’ve heard some people say that it’s better to get the crossfire version rather than using my dji remote. I will probably get more kwads in the future and will want them all the same so I don’t mind spending on a separate controller at this point rather than find out out later on and then having different Kwads on different setups. what’s the best option to get with a defender 25 as a newb coming from dji and Avata.
So the downsides of using the DJI remote from the avata (hope it will get fixed with updates) is that when you switch between Avata and o3 you have to bind the radio again, it's just inconvenient but not crazy bad, another issue is that theoretically the radio could go further than video signal, but don't know why when you lose video also rc signal is lost for about 5 seconds, then picks up the signal again even without video (really hope they fix it), with elrs or crossfire you still have control over your drone and can throttle up when losing video hoping to recover it,but again is a last chance scenario as losing video is very bad usually and 80% of times you will crash anyway. Hoping they fix this 2 inconveniences having one radio do all is the best for backpacking, also you don't need to mount an extra receiver and antenna in every drone, cheaper and much more convenient! I have bought a remote 2 myself and will be trying if I like it or not, even without having an Avata
@@Rimzler Thank you for the explanation. I was only worrying as I e seen some people have issues with the DJI remote on a Chinera 7. It lost connection and crashed o to water. I think it was Originaldobo. The after the fact conversation with iFlight was seemingly useless as well. My logic was that if I get a defender 25 with crossfire and buy the tbs tango 2, I will continue to use this remote when I add to my fleet in the future, so thought that seemed like the best idea. Buy the defender 25 on its own, and make sure to choose the crossfire option and then I’ll have that remote specifically for iFlight, and keep my dji remote separate. It would be good to use one controller for all of them, but I could keep my Avata and Dji fpv and use the new set up with the defender, and then a Nazgûl in the future when I’ve gotten more confidence with flying. I fly in Manual mode now, but still use normal or sports mode when coming in and landing, so the defender 25 will be a good little option to get used to flying outside of a Dji system with all its safety and rth etc. I just don’t want to purchase something, choose crossfire or elrs and then realise I’ve made a mistake after, and I know nothing about fpv and beta flight etc apart from Avata and Dji potato.
When DJI adds features or releases products there are always kinks to be ironed out, always have to wait a few months before buying, hope they fixed the issue with latest updates, i can't wait to get my radio to test out! Both crossfire and expresslrs are great option, also take a look into elrs as it's open source, feature packed and comes in all shapes and products!
@@Rimzler cheers for your help buddy. Do you know of any TH-camrs or blogs that are good to learn the basics about beta flight and stuff as well as it’s all new to me. Happy flyin
"it doesn't look like a flying bomb" 🤣
Ahhaha can't share the details but had bad experience with the look like bomb issue😂😂😂
no gps, no gimbal, no altitude hold, no charger for $563. Avata with all that stuff costs $629
All of those functions wouldn't be precise as dji tho, But at least this drone flies much better than the avata!
@@Rimzler But not if you're trying maintain altitude or position. 🤨
when we will see the cinelog20??
Hopefully soon, love how we getting back to the micro cinewhoops!
Nice review and good observations, I just got mine delivered and cant wait to try it out.
Pretty good choice! Let me know if you like it!
People compare this to the Avata but I don't really think they are competitors. They do look somewhat alike but that's where it ends. The Avata is a DJI drone with all the bells and whistles that come with being a DJI drone. For people who really don't want to lose their drone and they aren't yet super experienced pilots, the Avata gives you WAY more. The fact that you can fly it is Normal, Sport, or Acro means you can learn at your own pace and minimize risk. The Avata flies WAY longer at over 20 minutes per battery. The Avata is running DJI's Ocusync so it flies much farther and if it failsafes, it will just fly back to you. The downside of the Avata is the tight controls on where you can and can't take off and fly. Also, my Avatas do a weird thing where I will be flying in manual and if I get "too far and too high" (that's the message I get) then it brakes and forces me back into Normal mode. I don't know why that is but both of mine to it and my DJI FPV drones also do that.
So, just my thoughts on the comparison. The Avata is a great drone with some drawbacks. I don't have a Defender (yet) but from what I can tell, it is a nice little zoomy whoop, but the Avata is a better, all around drone for a beginner or even just for specific needs like high risk area flying (cliffs, above dense forests or other plant growth, over water) where you really need it to come back if it failsafes.
I really enjoy your videos! Keep it up!
I have to agree that the design of these proprietary batteries leaves a lot to be desired. The *only advantage to these is that they clip into the frame, so you don't have to use a battery strap. In all other aspects they are *less practical* than standard LiPos! At least with the Avata, the batteries charge (and self-discharge) automatically, and are much more convenient to use (at least with the Fly More kit). Yes, they cost way too much, but at least their particular proprietary design offers some actual advantages over regular LiPos. With these Defender 25 batteries, there is no clear or logical reason for their proprietary design. Not even extra flight time. WTF, iFlight???
iFlight is only making changes like these to make their drones look more like a consumer product. They want it to look more appealing to the masses and not look like something you have to slap together yourself. For everyone already in FPV yes it is kind of dumb though. At least they didn't make it impossible to use other lipos if you so choose.
I believe adding BMS would make them much cooler, and providing a multi charge rail, probably even more proprietary but more practival for traveling, but also would drive up the cost and there is no real integration with drone software, like a beginner can still overdischarge and damage the lipo unlike dji stuff
But yeah at least putting the usbc charger in the charging plate would be dope and still doable
Thanks for nice video.
I wish I would have seen this before I purchased the Avata. Living in LA/California I can not fly the Avata in a lot of places I want to because of the dam zone restrictions and having to be tied to my dam phone SUCKS, it is a deal breaker.
My Avata is going back for a refund I am done with DJI., only had it a few days. iFlight lets get some better flight time, and better charging methods like Rimzler suggested than you can start competing with DJI. I am buying one of these. I have the older Protek 25, I decided to try the DJI Avata, bad choice due to restrictions.
Yeah this drone laws are Soo stupid😓 but luckily all classic FPV drones don't care where you fly! I want to try putting a li ion on a 3.5 inches, maybe can get a lot of flight time
Not sure how it's going to be an avata killer. Seems to be half the drone for almost the same price. Wish it was cheaper wanted to get one but not at nearly the same price as the avata.
Imho is better for being sub250g and flying much better, never needed GPS, it depends what you looking for
Finally you made video I was waiting
Winter has not been kind with the sunny days ahahaha
Awesome Review of the Defender 25.....Following from the Solomon Islands......I agree it does not look like a "Flying Bomb" as you mentioned.hahaha
Nice video and flying!👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Hi Rimzler, so, did you create mount for regular lipos? Thanks for your great reviews :)
Me (who is broke, whose country doesn't allow import) : Take my money :D
waiting on the Defender20 that was just announced to stay under 250g even with high capacity battery
Will review soon!
@@Rimzler Did you get it??
What is your opinion on the frame? I find it extremely fragile.
Had a couple of crashes but nothing major so far and still not broken, heard people having issues especially crashing on the back of it, the plastic is very stiff so it breaks if you crash hard enough, also all the extra plastic makes the drone heavier and has more momentum
@@Rimzlerthanks for your opinion. I hit a bush branch which is thinner than my finger, the prop guard is broken.
bro u look like the guy from spider man
Thanks for the review!
Is it easy to switch from ELRS / crossfire receiver back to the DJI 03 receiver or would re-soldering be required?
Not super easy, probably don't need to resolder but switch connectors inside, or pins in the connector, also not the easiest drone to tear down
@@Rimzler thanks mate, that's useful to know!
thanks for the great review! I'm curious how Defender 20 behaves too.
I have the 15 under review right now
Very hard to judge the tune when you already put stabilization software on the footage. Not a good idea for a review IMHO
That's true, but in the lower right corner is the unstabilized live feed, and it's pretty stable!
The drone is nice, but really? Proprietary batteries? I hope this is not the road iFLight is taking.
I believe they will release the equivalent but in 3.5 inch size still with the proprietary batteries, this is to appeal to a broader market as it looks more industrial and less homemade i believe
Still the batteries are compatible with other drones, they are just long but work great on the explorer lr for example, and you can still use any lipo you want on it, just have to find a way to mount it lol
@@Rimzler Thank you for your insight, and fine review. I understand the business model for this one. I just hope they keep making fantastic fpv drones as they do now ;-) Personally the GEPRC Cinebot 30 is more to my taste. If they make 3.5 of that one...
Weird, I find the tuning fine.
thank you for making me realize that I don't have to go with Avata ;)
😂😂😂😂😂 defender 25 is very nice
Hey Rimzler? Do you have DJI Avata? If you do plz tell what rates and angle do you use? Thx!
usb take to long?
What would you choose between Cinelog20, Defender25 or Avata for real estate cinewhoop? Convenience and ease of use to be able to plug and play are most important to me, so I can be ready to shoot and charge without hassles.
Not interested in acro or the lightest setup, as I will be mostly flying indoor anyway in slow, controlled manner.
Hi. I stupidly wiped the Defender 25 Betaflight configuration. I can't find the default one online anywhere. Would you or anyone else here have it by any chance. Would be much appreciated.
Ottima review come al solito. Tempting! Anche con i V2. Vecchio fan del A85… ciao!
Molto molto carino! A85 dovrebbero farlo O3, sarebbe un bel giocatt
Great job on the video excellent review
Thank you!
How do you like the commando 8 radio? Thinking about replacing my Zorro with it.
What you dont like about the zorro? Thought it was a better radio that is why i ask
@@Sylo2Nice I want more portability and better battery life. Not to mention the commando 8 has a higher internal output power.
When actually using the controller though I do enjoy the feel of the zorro.
@@_tcmore you mean internal output for express lrs? I just bought the zorro and your right about batter life. I had the frsky xlite first version. Even though the batteries are also small the xlite had better battety life when i use my crossfire.
@@Sylo2Nice yes the internal elrs output.
But yeah the zorro has one of the worst battery life’s out of pretty much all the radios I think.
@@_tcmore man i know. Its a great radio to use though. I got the one pyrodrone put out with the cnc gimbals. I guess ill buy the external battery they sell to use with it. Sucks though
its like they made this quad just for me.....eccellente!
Ahahahahahah what do you like better about it?
@@Rimzler well, i love the battery solution, i love the weight and prop guards, i love the way it fly's, but mostly i love its cat chasing abilities hehehe
@@TheMadmacs AHhahahaha the cat chasing ability is top notch lol
Very good video. Thank you, man.
Thank you for watching!
I’m thinking of getting one of these as my first steps into ‘real’ fpv Kwads.
I fly dji fpv and Avata currently. I was originally planning on getting the Nazgûl but think this might be a better first option.
I was going to buy a tbs tango 2 for a controller but what would people recommend between that, the iflight controller or just using my dji fpv remote 2?
I’ve heard some people say that it’s better to get the crossfire version rather than using my dji remote.
I will probably get more kwads in the future and will want them all the same so I don’t mind spending on a separate controller at this point rather than find out out later on and then having different Kwads on different setups.
what’s the best option to get with a defender 25 as a newb coming from dji and Avata.
So the downsides of using the DJI remote from the avata (hope it will get fixed with updates) is that when you switch between Avata and o3 you have to bind the radio again, it's just inconvenient but not crazy bad, another issue is that theoretically the radio could go further than video signal, but don't know why when you lose video also rc signal is lost for about 5 seconds, then picks up the signal again even without video (really hope they fix it), with elrs or crossfire you still have control over your drone and can throttle up when losing video hoping to recover it,but again is a last chance scenario as losing video is very bad usually and 80% of times you will crash anyway.
Hoping they fix this 2 inconveniences having one radio do all is the best for backpacking, also you don't need to mount an extra receiver and antenna in every drone, cheaper and much more convenient! I have bought a remote 2 myself and will be trying if I like it or not, even without having an Avata
@@Rimzler Thank you for the explanation. I was only worrying as I e seen some people have issues with the DJI remote on a Chinera 7. It lost connection and crashed o to water. I think it was Originaldobo. The after the fact conversation with iFlight was seemingly useless as well.
My logic was that if I get a defender 25 with crossfire and buy the tbs tango 2, I will continue to use this remote when I add to my fleet in the future, so thought that seemed like the best idea. Buy the defender 25 on its own, and make sure to choose the crossfire option and then I’ll have that remote specifically for iFlight, and keep my dji remote separate. It would be good to use one controller for all of them, but I could keep my Avata and Dji fpv and use the new set up with the defender, and then a Nazgûl in the future when I’ve gotten more confidence with flying.
I fly in Manual mode now, but still use normal or sports mode when coming in and landing, so the defender 25 will be a good little option to get used to flying outside of a Dji system with all its safety and rth etc.
I just don’t want to purchase something, choose crossfire or elrs and then realise I’ve made a mistake after, and I know nothing about fpv and beta flight etc apart from Avata and Dji potato.
When DJI adds features or releases products there are always kinks to be ironed out, always have to wait a few months before buying, hope they fixed the issue with latest updates, i can't wait to get my radio to test out!
Both crossfire and expresslrs are great option, also take a look into elrs as it's open source, feature packed and comes in all shapes and products!
@@Rimzler cheers for your help buddy.
Do you know of any TH-camrs or blogs that are good to learn the basics about beta flight and stuff as well as it’s all new to me.
Happy flyin
can use 6s batery..cut kv
Hey congratulations for the video, which charger did you use at the end? How does Defender work? Can you charge it via power bank or just plug it in?
And which do you think is a better choice, this or the cinelog20?
23:08 yeah thats a good idea.
Will try making something like that myself
Bel giocattolino 👍
Ahhahahaha veramente
;looks good hey buddy how is mono?
what goggles are you using?
Grazie Andrea for the review. I was curious, but finally ordered Flywoo Explorer LR 4" O3 ;-)