Ortlieb Panniers and Tubus Rack - Longterm Review
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- A longterm review of our Ortlieb Panniers and Tubus Racks.
Almost 9 years old and after thousands and thousands of miles/kilometers of bicycle touring, we would like to show you our Ortlieb panniers and Tubus racks. This review is a bit lengthy, but if you are looking to buy panniers for your next bicycle touring adventure, you may want to see and hear what we have to say about Ortlieb and Tubus.
🔥Our Ortlieb Panniers in action! Here we are in Baja Mexico cycle touring our way south from Deadhorse, Alaska to Ushuaia, Argentina.
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🔥Our Ortlieb Panniers in action! Here we are in Baja Mexico cycle touring our way south from Deadhorse, Alaska to Ushuaia, Argentina.
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*I'm an amateur rider, and **Latest.Bike** performed as expected. It was easy to assemble and adjust, and I like the grip-shift. Overall, I'm very satisfied with my purchase.*
Hello Evelyn. Thank you for watching the video and hope you have many happy cycling adventures. Hang in there and you'll be a pro-rider in no time. :-) ~Ron & Petra
Thanks for the review. Really cool stuff.
Thank you Ian for the comment! Cheers. 🍻
Thanks for this very helpful and informative review of the Ortliebs. I have their front and rear backpacking bags, and will likely purchase the Ortlieb Gravel-Pack panniers for my road touring. Cheers!
Thank you Bruin for the comments and happy to know it was helpful. Cheers to you and safe travels. ~Ron
that is one cool hat ! i would like one for myself , best review i have seen on the tube for Ortlieb panniers from someone who has used them for years . it is easy to see you love biking and have some real knowledge to share . thanks for sharing . Vernon
Many thanks Vernon for the feedback and compliments. Sorry for the late reply but I've been in Spain backpacking for a past couple weeks. You can pick up one of these hats from Walz Caps (www.walzcaps.com/) if you really like them. I own a couple from their limited wool collection and have had them both now for more than 10 years. As for loving cycling.... yes without a doubt and I do love sharing what I know. Many thanks and if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. ~Ron
I got a lot of ideas about this video. Thanks.
Thank you Rafael (@rafaellofttv2285) for your feedback and happy to hear this review could help you. Happy touring!! ~Ron
This is the best rack/panniers presentation I've seen on YT, thanks.
Thank you for kind words Pawel.
Thank you, this provided the information I need to make my choice of front mounted bags...
You're very welcome Jarod and we hope your panniers work out as well as ours have. Happy touring!! ~Ron
Great review. I watched till the end. Thanks.
Many thanks Tom for the feedback and I hope it helped you. Happy cycling!! ~Ron
Thank you Mr PPT great insight into you panniers and set up. I am preparing for some touring in 2018 once I retire from work.
Hello Willian and thank you for the feedback. Congrats on your upcoming retirement and may you enjoy many years of cycling touring. If you've never done it you are in for a real treat. Ron
Thank you! So useful
You're very welcome Sam and thank you for the feedback. ~Ron
Excellent, very informative.
Many thanks for the feedback NobleArt. ~Ron
I have a set of Ortlieb Back-Roller Plus out of the Cordura fabric for 25 years, besides the Front-Roller (now renamed to Sport-Roller) + a Rack-Pack. I use the Back-Roller literally every day all year long for commuting grocery shopping carrying lots of stuff and of course for bike touring. After this time the reflector prints wear partly off, I got on one a little puncture hole which was easy to fix with some SeamGrip and two Buckles broke but you can still get replacements from Ortlieb for the older pre '98 versions for a few bucks, many Bike + Outdoor Shops at least in Germany have those even in stock and a local shoemaker could fix it for me. A testament to the build quality, they last and last and last.
Hey There BrokenSpine! Really appreciate your input and feedback. Yeah we have had nothing but good luck with our Ortlieb panniers. Take care and happy cycling! ~Ron & Petra
I love your video. It basically covers most of the things I want to know about Tubus racks and Ortlieb panniers. I'm building my own touring bike. So this video is really useful to me. I'm gonna to watch it for a few more times. Thanks mate!
BTW, I noticed that you're using a Sun front hub. Waiting for your review about the hub!
thank you Bike Butt. If you have any questions that I missed, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them. Yeah I've been wanting to do a review on the SON hub and our electrical system (lights and eWerk) along with the Rohloff rear hub, so maybe I can work on this over the next couple weeks.
I am new to bike touring and buying panniers for my first trip. Thank you for sharing experience.
Hello Lily! Thank you and hope the review helped. Just a little update! We are again on a long term tour. We started last June in Deadhorse Alaska and are now down in Central America. We are using the same bags in this review and they're holding up very well. The rear bags are now on their second major world tour and are about 14 years old. Wow 14 years now!!! Anyway they're doing well, so for us it was money well spent! If you have any questions about the racks, panniers, or really anything about touring shoot us a message or ask here and we'll do our best to answer you. Until then happy touring! ~Ron & Petra
Great review. Very helpful. I purchased a set of the Ortlieb Back Roller Classic panniers today online. Took advantage of the Black Friday/cyber week sales. Happy Holidays to you and yours...🎅
Awesome and many thanks for the feedback. We truly hope you have as many great years with your bags as we have. They're not cheap so smart move looking for those Black Friday/Cyber week deals. Please let us know down the road how you like them and how they're working for you. Until then happy cycling, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and all the best in the New Year! ~Ron
Great review, thanks!
Also, the Ortlieb still manufactures this bags in Germany with reasonably paid workers, which I strongly prefer over the Chinese stuff.
Many thanks S. Peters for the feedback and compliment. Yes Ortlieb bags are Made In Germany and they are great products. ~Ron
Im new to the touring thing tech i just like to ride thru parks and im just reviewing bags, but i did find the vid both informative and clear. Thank you for sharing👍
Hello and thank you for your comment LJaysPerspective. If you have any questions regarding bicycle touring please feel free to ask and we will do our best to help you out. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring Awesome sincerely appreciate it, thank you!
@@ljaysperspective1775 you're very welcome!
pěkně udělané video o vynikajících brašnách, taky je mám, jsou super
Děkuji Jura. I would like to say too that having visited and cycled Czech several times, it is truly a beautiful country and recommend it to anyone looking for an awesome place to cycle tour.~Ron
Outer bag: "things I need to get to quickly like tools, phone, pistol.....". :)
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Great review going right through some excellent gear. I have Ortlieb panniers that date from 2005 and my wife has the older ones from 2003. They are just bomb-proof. We have the Bikepacker/Sportpacker Classic version with the shiny coated material and the QL1 mounting hooks and clips. Less adjustable hooks but the Classic material is really tough. Ours show practically no wear or abrasion. I also have the rear pockets and love them. My handlebar bag is now the Ultimate Six in the 8.5L version, very roomy. The Ultimate Six differs from the Five in that it has no side pockets, an easier fit lid with magnetic clasps, and an internal slit-pocket. It also has a clip-fastened map-case though I have stopped using that on all except for major tours. So much of my map consultation and navigation is now done using a Garmin GPS unit, or even just my phone mounted in a Quadlock using mapping apps. Time rolls on and the tech changes. As for the Ortlieb mounting hooks and the incorrigible clips, I have abandoned them long ago. I have fitted lengths of clear aquarium tubing (OD 13mm, ID 10mm) slit and cable-tied to the rack top bars. With these the large hooks sans-clips fit on perfectly and the plastic tubing protects the Tubus rack from scratching and wear by the pannier hooks. Surprisingly the pannier hooks and mounts DO cause wear to both the coating and even the steel of racks. I have seen quite major wear caused to alloy racks by them from rough road riding. Just a few tips for you.
Awesome and many thanks for telling us about your experiences with Ortlieb. We absolutely love ours and they're now going on 14 years of hard hard use. Fingers crossed they last us a few more years and through our current world adventure. ~Ron & Petra
We loves it we do, precious!
Hello Christopher! Indeed my friend indeed! Great panniers and they have served us well. Currently cycling Alaska to Argentina, now in Baja Mexico and the Ortliebs are doing most excellent. ~Ron
There's a "hack" for the hooks on the back side you show at 4:30
You can add a second one like Ortlieb did on the Gravel Packs. Then they can hold at both sides of the V-shaped part of the rack.
You can get these hooks as spare parts.
Edit: My solution to avoid that paint of the racks is rubbed off: stainless steel racks from Tubus :-)
Appreciate the feedback and tips Jochen. ~Ron
I used to be a weight obsessed roadie then I discovered touring and I must say I feel so liberated as I don´t even use a car anymore as my bike takes care of 99% of my transport needs. Good quality panniers and racks are extremely important and I feel like this is one area that newer stuff work much better than the older stuff. However, when it comes to frames, there is nothing like a 1990s steel frame with all those eyelets.
haha yeah I used to be one of those weight weenies too, but mostly with MTB! Now I am like... whatever! Let me pack up my house and hit the road! :-) Thank you for the comments and cheers on discovering cycle touring. It will truly change your life.
I ride 11sp red on my road bike but my touring bike is 8 speed. It gets the job done, works just well, and you can find 8speed parts almost everywhere in the world. Heavy foamie saddle works better than any pure carbon saddle. This is quite obvious to anyone but wweenies. I think I am even more zen than you because for touring I don´t care how "nice" something looks. If it works, I embrace it :-)
I am building a 26" wheeled touring type bike with a 1990s steel Univega mtb frame and fork (original rigid steel fork). The frame seems ideal for this, strong with a slightly 'oversized' down tube which is oval where it joins the bottom bracket and where it joins the head tube. The chain stays are a bit longer than on more recent frames and it has eyelets and threaded bosses galore. I'm considering which rear rack to get
We've been using Tubus' Cargo for our rear rack for many years and have not had an issue. However, we do know of a fellow long distance tourer that had the same rack that cracked on him like on his first day, but he was able to find a welder in South America to fix it up and continued for another 18 months without issue. We're guessing it was just a bad rack right from the factory. The frame you're building sounds like it will be a workhorse and get the job done. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. ~Ron
I'm thinking of getting the Tubus Cosmo. Sounds like he was unlucky and that was a defective item. It's not much of a bike yet, just a frame with a Thomson seatpost and new Chris King headset (not yet installed) and no wheels! I plan to invest in good quality, robust parts and to build the bike bit at a time. Best Wishes and thanks for your kind words.
Ortlieb panniers are the absolute best quality. Use a thread lock on the threads to eliminate any nut loosening. Do not drip on the fabric.
Yes they are Charles and thank you for the comment and your tip on thread lock.
i like the delivery part
thank you Alastrim. This is a fun video to put together. Hope to find some time in the near future to put some more together.
Gett on with it
Calm your tits, princess.
It was a pretty good review,,, so.....
If you need more space by the Rack Pack model. I personally have one ultima six on the handlebars, two back roller plus (possible and definitely more preferable if you have 28in wheels), two back roller pro classic and a rack pack large 49 liters.
Great video. Thank you! I am just now starting the process of thinking about a touring bike that can tackle all “roads” and I’ve decided panniers not bikepacking bags so your review was very helpful. Ever have any problems with clips breaking on the more remote tour you were going to be taking? I see you are using a flat bar instead of drops. Still happy with that decision? Your expert opinion/feedback appreciated
Hello Tom and thank you for the feedback and your question. No we have not had any of the Ortlieb clips break on us, but we both had a pannier where the nut holding the slide in place came loose. This was no big deal and we just screwed it back together and this was early on in our bike travels. The other thing we've experienced is that the clips seem to have spread open a bit and become loose. Again not really an issue when you consider how long we had them and how much they've been used. As for the flat bars. Yes still very much happy with this decision and here is an write-up I did several years ago as we crossed Spain on our around the world tour. Hope this helps and sorry for taking so long to reply. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to get back to you. ~Ron (flat bar write up) -> pedalpowertouring.com/gear/gear-reviews/bicycle-touring-with-straight-aka-mtb-handlebars/
I use an Ibera heavy duty rack with Trek large grocery panniers which can hold ~1 ft³ each. My extended straight handlebars have a drink holder which will support a Cannondale insulated back rack type bag. More can be added such as a Sam's insulated bag on top of my grocery panniers, however, I have a prosthetic leg which makes that precarious. Concider a "Fenix PD35' for lighting an as a strobe photoweapon with a Mace key chain for the other hand.
Instead of carrying a cooking stove and fuel, why not use granola and Walmart trail mixes. Canned beans are extremely healthy, easy, and you need the water anyway. Also, a life straw so that you can drink stream water as necessary.
Hello and thank you Kent for your comments and suggestions. I guess everyone finds what works for them and goes with that. Obviously, our style of touring and gear has changed over the years and I am pretty sure there will continue to be changes to what we carry and and cook with. I can see limitations with only having a life straw, but I can also see it as a backup or emergency source for collecting some drinking water in a pinch. ~Ron
Excellent review.
I'm just starting my touring life" at 51 years old. The days of speed and thrills on a bike are behind me LOL, I'm more interested in logging miles and seeing places. Just bought a brand new Surly Long Haul Trucker c/w a Tubus Logo rear rack, I figure I will start with some rear panniers and get the Tubus Tara and front bags when my adventures grow.
So just starting my research on panniers which lead me to your video, thanks again, new subscriber. I'm down to Ortlieb and Arkel. I hear the same comments from other experienced tourers, big open bags like Ortliebs preferred to lots of compartmentation. I'm leaning towards Ortliebs. Now which ones? I'm stuck between the Bike Packer or the Back-Roller Classic - more research needed.
As for the loosening nuts, I'd consider swapping the nuts (and bolts if needed) for metal and use some thread lock - simple and easy fix.
Cheers
Many thanks Smokey Canuck for the great feedback and for following along. So when I first started reading through your comment and saw you were between Ortlieb and Arkel I was going to say that we went Ortlieb because they are big and open, but you touched on that. :-) Our rear panniers are an earlier version of the Bike-Packer Plus except our outer pocket is mesh and ours did not have the carry strap. Good luck on your decision and you'll be fine with which ever you go with. The LHT is an awesome bike and will bring you many happy and smiling adventures for sure. Our oldest daughter has one and it's taken her on many great trips. The longest was when she joined us in Thailand and then spent the next 6ish months cycling with us all the way back to Florida. So Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, then San Diego all the way to Florida. Great times!! Take care and happy cycling! ~Ron
The other rather good panniers to use are the Carradice bags. Heavy-duty cotton superdux..... VERY waterproof and also one compartment with a cap-lid. A friend of mine has used these for several years and loves them. They also make some Ortlieb clones called Carradry. Re the loosening nuts and replacement with metal nuts & bolts, you can do it, but the Ortlieb plastic nut system ensures the nut mount is waterproof. Metal replacements will lose this feature. I just go and check & tighten mine every year or two. I have only had a couple ever come loose on me in 18 years of use.
This was a great review. Only tip I could give, is pick up your speech cadence a bit.
Appreciate the feedback Bryan. It would probably help too if I wrote my thoughts down beforehand instead of trying to speak on the fly and sort through the gazillion things going through my mind. :-) It's funny because when I get asked questions by other interested cyclists when we are out-n-about, I can go on and on pretty good, but turn on the camera and ... well you just watched the video. Anyway again appreciate the feedback and I'll work on it. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring My comment was the pot calling the kettle "black". I have a problem with uh, and uhmm.... when I speak. I just really have to watch it.
@@SinnerSince1962 sorry for the late reply. I was in North Carolina trying to kill myself mountain biking in the hills. Yeah no worries, it's all good my friend. Happy New Year 2020!
thank haa ^^
I have a dual suspension mtn bike with disc brakes. Any suggestions for a rear carrier?
Hello Steve, sorry for the late reply but for some reason I didn't see your message. I have no experience with adding a rear rack and panniers to a full suspension. However, I do own a Bob trailer and this is what I would use with mine and I know of others that have gone with a trailer. In fact, we met a Dutch cyclist in Spain on his way down through Africa riding on a full suspension carbon MTB and he was dragging a Bob trailer. I would suggest if you go this route with a trailer, do not get the Bob trailer with the rear shock. This is what I have and the shock adds I think 5 or 6 pounds to the weight of the trailer and honestly, I don't think the shock is really needed. If you're set on getting a rack and panniers, check out this site and maybe you can find something that will work. I have never used them or their products so I can't comment on the quality. www.oldmanmountain.com/ ~Ron
Great video. I tour solo and wondered how you deal with security using Ortlieb bags that detach so easily from the bike even when the bike itself is securely locked? For instance you want to pop into a public toilet for a few minutes - do you unpack and take it all in with you?
Many thanks Peter for the compliment. Luckily for us there are two, so normally I would play guard dog while Petra would shop for food and then we would be both take turns watching the bikes should we need a toilet. However, there are times we both want to visit some place like a church, castle, or other touristy spot. When this happens we take our handlebar bags which would have our passports, cameras, money, and other important things or we try and park near security or someplace we can keep our eyes on the bikes. Happy cycling!! ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring I thought they sell little locks to the rack? But not for nyc, maybe if out near a tent?
Hello, Thank you for sharing this video. I enjoyed watching it because it is full of details. I have a small question. I have the tubus TARA, probably it is the same model as you have, and I have a pair of ortlieb sport roller plus panniers. I have an issue with the anchoring. The diameter of the rack is quite wide compared to the distance between the pannier and the anchoring. Do you have an idea how to fix that? Does ortlieb have any adapter? It seems you do not have such issue.
Hello Pitch It and thank you for the feedback. I am trying to understand your question, but I am not sure I am following you. I can tell you that yes we have the Tubus Lowrider/Tara front rack and that we have not modified or changed anything with it or to our panniers. Are you having issues with the clamp closing or are your clamps to close or to far apart? If your having issues with your clamp/mount closing fitting on the tube, you should have received different size spacers with your panniers. If my memory serves me correct, the Tara front rack should use the 10mm spacer, sadly at the moment we are using the Tubus Expedition front rack as we cycle from Alaska to Argentina, but I am pretty sure the Tara is the same size tubing as the Tubus Cargo rear rack and they use 10mm spacers. If you are having issues with the clamps/mounts being to close or to far apart, they too can be adjusted be popping the little locking mechanism just below the clamp/mount out and then sliding/adjusting the positions of the clamps/mounts. I hope this helps. If this did not help and I am completely lost on what you're asking then please send me some images of what you're trying to describe at pedalpowertouring@gmail.com and I'll try my best to help you out. Please note though that we are currently bicycling the Americas (Alaska to Argentina) and it may take me a few days or so to get back to you since i have limited internet. Thanks again and happy cycing! ~Rob
@@PedalPowerTouring I have finally managed to use my ortlieb sport roller plus on the TARA. Thank you for the suggestion, I changed the clamp so that the bag doesn't move at all while riding. In addition, the sport roller plus has only one elliptical rail for the lower hook, in your video (minute 4:30) you are showing that you can change the position of the hook and that you have 2 rails. I had to unscrew the rail and putting it in the other sense. In this way, I could fix the hook at higher position on the TARA. By the way, tow is it going your trip?
What happened to the straps on the rear panniers? Were they delivered with them missing?
Hello Effyleven, thanks for the question. The straps for rear panniers came out either the following year or year after we bought ours, so our model pannier is strapless. :-) Our daughter has the set with the straps and sure it's nice, but I also think they just get in the way and something you have to worry about losing. ~Ron
Pedal Power Touring Okay. I get the picture. Thanks for your response.
Will the small bags fit on the rear rack?
Hello Keith and thanks for your question. Indeed they will and for overnighters and commuting this is all we use! ~Ron
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Nice video. What shorts are you wearing?
Thank you Frosene for the compliment. These are actually Prana pants with zipper legs, although I really don't think I've ever had the legs zipped on for more than a day over the past few years of owning them. They are super comfortable! ~Ron
Hi can't you put the bottom adjustable arm facing forward, yours is coming out because surely its facing the wrong way.
Hello David and thank you for the feedback. I'll double check but I am pretty sure this was the best position for our setup. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring cool i know sometimes its getting it to sit in a way that works, i also find these with the side clicks the strap, not as convenient and i think its only a question of time till the strap gets caught on something, i prefer the city panniers with just side clips.
@@mysurlytrucker7510 right on. I'll take a look at the City panniers. ~Ron
Maybe worth a drop of Loctite on those bolts. I guess the constant vibration over time is what loosened them.
yeah maybe that would work but the nuts are plastic so I am not sure how well Loctite would work. Maybe worth a try though. Thank you for the tip.
Pedal Power Touring don't put loc tite on plastic,, i had this brainstorm and did it,, it kinda disintegrated de plastic on mine..🚲..
I have found that the nuts inside the panniers wear through the inner grey pocket. Ortleib replaced the first set, I haven't bothered to ask for a new set. But to reduce wear I put a square of gorilla tape over the nuts. This also prevents the nuts from loosening.
This is after 11 years of daily use of Backpacker Plus rear panniers for commuting / grocery shopping and some light touring.
Loctite is designed for steel nuts and bolts. The Ortlieb fittings are mounted with a steel screw into a plastic nut. Loctite is not suitable.
Did you fit the Tubus front rack with a single bolt through the outside of the fork or a bolt and nut on the inside of the fork?
Hello Nasir and thank you your question. I'm not sure if I understand your question fully. Our bikes including the forks were built so that you could mount racks. The screws, screw directly into holes with threads so there is no nut. We have three locations on the fork, one in the middle, and two down where the wheel mounts to attach the Tubus rack. I hope this answers your question, but if not maybe I can take a photo and email if you like. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring Hello Ron, Sorry the question was not clear but you've answered it. On some racks one has to mount the bolt on the outside of the fork and add a nut on the inside to stop the side to side sway of the rack arms. It seems the Tubus is stiff enough to not need that on your bike. So, you just have a bolt on the outside of the fork.
@@nasirmahmood5684 right on. No worries. Happy to have been able to answer that for you. Yes I am familiar with some universal type racks that have extra brackets and such for bikes that are not make for specifically bike touring. Mountain bikes for example. All good and thanks for the question. ~Ron
@@nasirmahmood5684 the Tubus Tara is stiffened by the hoop over the front of the tyre. The Tubus Duo rack is mounted via either two bolts each side of the fork-blade, or one bolt in a tube right through the fork-blade, thus these front racks do not need that hoop. They are all exceptionally stiff in use.
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Appreciate it Mike!!
è possibile avere un catalogo e i relativi prezzi? grazie
What model Ortlieb pannier is it?
Hello 26RealMC. Sorry for the late reply. Thank you for the question. Our original front panniers are the Sport-Roller Plus and the new ones in the video are Sport-Packer Plus. The rear panniers are the Bike-Packer Plus, but ours are the model prior to Ortlieb's newer one. ~Ron
Thank you for this video it really was a wealth of useful information. But where did you get your kickstand, that's just what Ive been looking for packing, changing tiers etc....So could you give me all the info.
Hello Rene and thank you for your feedback and question. Do a search for Pletscher ESGE Double kickstand and you should be able to find it. However, before you order it, we would not recommend it for long term fully loaded travel if this is your plan. For everyday commuting travel or light touring it works fine, but it just doesn't work very well with a fully loaded bike, plus it is an extra pound you can go with out. 99.9% of the time you will just lean your bike against something like a wall, tree, post, etc.... Hope this helps. ~Ron
Thank You For the Information I can't Stand Leaning my Bike against a tree then Watching It fall. Would You suggest two Smaller Kickstand 1-iN the Front & 1-iN the Back as a permanent fix
Hello Rene sorry for the late response. The chances of it falling over from leaning it against a tree, wall, post, etc... are less than using this kickstand. We have also used a kickstand at the back near the rear wheel and one that mounts to the front rack. This works very well too and we would suggest going this route before using the double leg center stand.
rene carbonell Check with the company who made the frame of your bike before mounting a kickstand. It may void the warranty.
This is true. We paid extra to have the kickstand plate added to our Co-Motions during the build.
This chap sounds like Top Cat!
That's pretty funny Albert. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring BTW, excellent review!
@@albertdesalvo7273 many thanks Albert for the feedback. ~Ron
What type of quick releases are used on this bike? Do you use hex tool to unlock them?
Hello Alex we use the Pitlock skewers for the wheels, stem, and seat post. Same unique tool for both bikes.
Hello Alex I think I misread your question earlier. We are currently cycling the Americas (Alaska to Argentina) and I quickly read your message while waiting for Petra to do some quick food shopping. If you're referring to the quick releases on the Ortlieb panniers, we are using what came with them and no there are no special tools required. If you're asking about wheel quick releases, then my previous answer still applies. :-) Happy Cycling! ~Ron
Two systems on Ortlieb bags look very similar. I think they are called QL1 and QL2. The second one can be adjusted without tools, the other uses 3mm keys.
Ortlieb QL1
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@@PedalPowerTouring No, I actually asked about the hub QRs, and you already replied. Thanks a lot)
@@atexnik Right on. Cool deal and happy cycling.
Nyloc nuts is what you need. Quite how you can talk for 23 minutes about Ortlieb panniers I don't know, but you did it. The Tubus Ergo front low loader rack is better than the Tara as you have a full lower triangle so the lower pannier clip that holds the pannier onto the rack faces forwards not backwards as on your rack. The Ortlieb handle bar bag mount is a PITA with it's cable system. You must have used your panniers very lightly as 9 years is pretty good. I know some that have fallen apart after only 3 years but these have been guys doing extreme touring on them.
Nice bike though - Rohloff hub and disc brakes. Are the tyres Schwalbe Marathon XRs? How about a review of your bike?
Ha yeah I am not sure either how I did 23 minutes but that is it. I am still working on making shorter videos because I do understand that is a long time. I suppose if you consider our panniers have traveled through 32 countries, 14 US states, numerous local weekend getaways, not to mention all 4 front panniers were used nearly daily from 2009-2013 (before we left to travel for 25 months on our bikes with these same panniers) for our daily work commute light, then we'll say they were used light! We agree that the handle bar mount is a PITA, but hopefully, you only need to put it on once and leave it. The Rohloff hub is without a doubt a great piece of gear. I was a little skeptical when I started planning and putting these bikes together back in early 2012 for upcoming RTW type trip, but we are very happy with them. The tires are Mondials and they are awesome tires. Between the 4 tires, we have only had 7 flats and 4 of those were while crossing Louisiana. This is our second set, the first set had over 10,000 miles and they still had a few thousand miles left on them, but since we were about to leave Germany for Thailand and the local shop there gave us a great price on a new set we changed them out. Anyway thank you for watching and leaving some feedback. Much appreciated. And yes I do owe Co-Motion and those interested in a Pangea a review.
Unfortunately, Tubus has marked Ergo, Nova and Smarti as discontinued. Only Duo and Tara are remaining. That also means that there's no stainless steel front rack available.
If you don't like the Ortlieb handle bar mount, you could get the Klickfix one which is compatible. It also has a wire, but only to keep it from tilting down. Except if you're using the (insanely expensive) Pro E handlebar bag from Ortlieb which needs the electric contacts.
I have *always* used the Klickfix handlebar bag mounting system. It is completely compatible with Ortlieb and I already had one from an old Vaude bag when I bought my first Ortlieb bar-bag. The Klickfix is easier to fit , more secure, and easier to adjust, so now I have several old Ortlieb mounts that are completely brand-new. Another thing with the Klickfix mount - they use a section of plastic-coated cable to secure the mount from swinging down. But if that bit of cable becomes frayed or unusable, you can just use a length of old brake or derailleur cable instead. It will work just fine.
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I'm eyeing these bags and the price made me go ... 😳 ... but I think it will be worth it. I don't need wet work clothes or it to fall apart in a few months
Hello Seattlegrrlie! Thank you for the comment. Yeah we're not sure why they are priced so high here in the US because you can get them in Europe for a lot less. Can't image import fees and such are that high. If you have time, try looking online from dealers in the UK. I had a former workmate that went this route and although he didn't get the color bags he wanted (limited selections), he saved quite a bit going this route. You may even want to talk to your local bike dealer and see if they can work with on the price, even at a 10-20% discount that is a nice savings. We wish you luck and hope that if you do get the Ortliebs they perform for you as well as they have for us. ~Ron
Once you have bitten the bullet and paid the $$$ the once, you will not regret it and get to enjoy the great benefits for the next 20+ years.
which tubes rack?
Hello PGreenx and thank you for the question. For the rear rack it is the Tubus EVO Cargo and on the front it is the Tubus Tara Low-rider. We've since removed the Tara off the front and installed the Tubus Grand Expedition Front rack. Hope this answers your question and if not please let me know. Thank you and happy adventures. ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring yes. Thanks!
@@pgreenx very cool and if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. ~Ron
Where do we buy?
Hello Hilzmaster, well we always suggest working with your local bike store if you can. If this is not possible, you can find them online too. Depending on where you are of course will effect the price. Here's a tip, if you are in the US, look at websites either in the UK or Germany, but make sure they ship to the US. Many times you can get them cheaper even after paying shipping than you can if you mail order them from a web store in the US. For some reason the Ortlieb panniers cost a lot of money here in the US, so if possible look elsewhere. We ordered our new front bags from a company in Germany and even after paying shipping all four front (2 pair) panniers cost about the same price as one pair would have cost us here in the US.
Co-Motion bikes too good for me in the $, but admire them. Special for tandems too.
Yeah it was hard dropping the $$ for them back in 2012, but they are (knock on wood) still going strong and we hope they last us another 20 years. They are rock solid and carry a ton of weight with no problems. ~Ron & Petra
I have Bicycle i love Turner by my biycle next i have turn in my country Morocco
Hello Mounir. We've toured by bicycle in Morocco and had a great time. Safe travels. ~ Ron
Yes welcome my friend I'm here for you we can meet and enjoying bay our time each other ...
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Thanks for video , now I am confused can you help me I bought gravel-pack front panniers but I don’t know which rack can fit and good price my brake is disc, can you help me out
Hello Bike Dreamer and thank you for the feedback and question. So if I am understanding you correctly. You bought Ortlieb's Gravel-Pack front panniers and would like to get a front rack that will work with them and not interfere with your disc brake. We own both Tubus' Lowrider Tara and Grand Expedition front racks and we have disc brakes and these racks work just fine for us. We recently just upgraded to the Grand Expedition for an upcoming (provided the world opens up again) cycle tour of the Americas. However we've been using the Lowrider Tara rack since 2008 and it is perfect unless you need the extra storage. I hope this helps, but if not let me know. ~Ron
I would not recomend any others! Have had mine for years! They had a notice in big print stating the design idea for these bags was not aesthetics at all but functionality. Before I had another set of pretyy USA bags with pockets and zippers and I almost got kille when riding on a European high speed road with a very narrow shoulder; the bags unhooked after I had to hit a hole and the hooks that had held them to the rack rattled against the spokes, but if they had tangled in the spokes I would have fallen right on the pavement in front of the speeding cars. Darn!
Thank you Carlos for you comment and feedback. We agree 100% and honestly would not recommend any other panniers either. We love ours and they've been good to us over many thousands of miles/kilometers and years. ~Ron
Made in Germany, YES. Made in China, NO. Made in America, I wish.