Mega Star Destroyer vs. Yuuzhan Vong Worldship - Star Wars Starship Versus
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Two Juggernauts of the Star Wars Universe go head to head as the Supremacy Mega Star Destroyer faces off against the Massive Yuuzhan Vong World Ship. Which of these two vessels will come out on top? Star Wars Legends Vs Canon... Vong vs First Order... Big vs Big! Find out on today's Starship Versus video!
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How about the Phalanx from 40k vs the Death star? Or the Tyranids vs the Yu Zon Vong?
@09:55, a yuuzhang vong black hole? HOLY MAGOG WORLDSHIP BATMAN
star ship versus is the best series on you channel
It isn't a Versus video, but what do you think would happen if Thrawn had the Supremacy? Because of its size and staff requirements it could initially be a problem for Thrawn to use, but the Supremacy was a mobile fortress with mining and manufacturing capabilities. One of Thrawns 'weaknesses' was a lack of ships.
@@isaacgraff8288: Thrawn’s weakness was a Noghri
Sith Ships of the Old Republic: Harrower-class Dreadnought vs Interdictor-class Cruiser (Interdictor-class Sith Destroyer)
Hey Stalin
@@thomas-pd9hm Привет
@@josephstalin839 how about you vs your fifth stroke?
Hi Comrade
Nothing can truly beat our ships...we are to strong...
I like how the Supremacy is incredibly wide to offset the trend of super long capital ships such as the Executor and other super star destroyer types.
It's a way better design than that First Order Dreadnaught.
@@robertnelson9599 Eh; with the destruction of the Supremacy the First Order lost its flagship, a major manufacturing/docking facility, and it's main base of operations. While it only lost a dreadnaught with the destruction of the Fulminatrix.
I like it but it also bothers me at the same time, needs to be dagger shsped!
It's very reminiscent of the Peacemillion from Gundam Wing.
One wide boi
Disney "Canon": "Look how old you've become."
Expanded Universe: "Something far worse has happened to you!"
This sounds familiar, where si this joke from?
@@robertnelson9599 The Force Awakens
It's the scene where Leia & Han first met in that movie, right?
@@AlexSDU It's when Kylo Renn and the First Order attack that village
@@yourstruly4817 Well Kylo does get redeemed.
So you never know...
YESSSSSS
Also, I don’t care what the canon says, it’s the Supremacy Class.
Someone clearly phoned in the Mega Class for sure. I mean really? Mega? That's all you could come up with?
As a WW2 naval enthusiast, I’ve never heard a name quite as bad as “Mega class.” There have been classes that have been named with letters or numbers, and those are all better than “Mega class.”
Would 'Ultra' be acceptable? I prefer that. It comes after super technically.
@@QuantumNova plus ultra.
Sorry.
@@QuantumNova No. It's not big enough. You should look up Eck's video on the Imperium-class Ultra Star Destroyer, AKA "The Freudian Nightmare."
I would give it to the Vong, there were so many times in the books were there munition just pierced through shields as if they weren't even there. It has a reason why they had to ram the Lusankya in it after bombarding it with an exorbitant number of Turbolasers, to destroy that thing
They rammed it because the SSD was extremely under staffed , if i remember half or less turbolasers were used in that battle
@@acezenfu3293 they used it as a ram because they redesigned it as a ram with firepower. They knew it wouldn't have enough firepower to destroy a world ship so they made its inner hull into a needle to puncture the worldship killing it.
@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff Operation Emperor's Spear, yes.
Built right down the Beltway... (see Rebel Assault 2 for what that probably looks like, also)
It's because there are two kinds of shield. Ray shields, which stop, blaster shots, and particle shields, which stop physical objects. But they are powered by the same power source, so as you raise power to one to strengthen it, you have to lower power to the other, weakening it.
The majority of projectiles in the SW universe are energy projectiles (blasters and turbolasers) so by default warships put more power to the ray shielding and less to the particle shielding because they are expecting only things like micrometeor impacts to need deflecting by particle shields.
Yuuzan Vong weapons are mostly physical projectiles. Most warships have their shields calibrated to favor Ray shielding by default. So Yuuzan Vong weapons just punch right through.
@@GuukanKitsune in addition, they were hot af and drew therefore power from the energy shields as well and if they came through they made tremendous damage to the hull. I can't tell you how often i read that the wing of a starfighter got hit and it melted straight through
Regarding the Supremacy's resilience on-screen, let's not forget that it was abandoned and scuttled because the First Order leadership wanted to make sure none of their rivals could use the ship. Even after it was sawn in half, it was clearly very valuable, and the ship was not rendered combat-incapable until it had been dismantled and demolished from the inside. That bodes very well for its damage resistance, especially to external weapons fire which the ship would be designed to withstand.
Well said. The supremacy was still functional even after vice admiral gender studies committed suicide.
I was linda disappointed, i thought they could've turned it into the setup/setting for episode 9
Shame it was eventually destroyed tbh because it would of been much better then palpatines fleet
@@drp1bb856 gende- excuse me?!
@@Eradicator-jv9xr your excused.
The Last Jedi and sequels in general may not have been the best but damn if the Supremacy is not an awesome ship
The Supremacy, the Resistance Bombers, the Ghost and the U-Wing are my favorite ships to come from the new canon.
@@JakeStaffin Remove the Resistance Bomber and I agree.
Those MC75 and hammerhead corvettes are also one the best thing they made in canon. T-70 looks like a copy of the T-65.
@@JakeStaffin
Remove the bombers and we good
I actually really liked the last Jedi it’s a bad sequel to force awakens but it’s actually a really good movie
Love or hate the films, the Supremacy was a really cool ship either way.
Eh it was different but tbh the Resurgence class was so cool and barely used
I don't like the Sequels, but I DO like the First Order ships. Resurgence, Supremacy, and Mandator IV were all nice additions to the big screen.
I'm a simple guy. I see a Star Destroyer, odds are I like it.
The existence of the MSD is by far the best thing about the sequels. Without the Supremacy (which is incredibly beautiful) there's literally nothing good about the Disney films at all
@basteala525 in general I loved the first order and think they could've been really cool but sadly it was scuffed
@@neonexpert1668 The first order was easily the best part of the sequels for me.
You can shit on Disney's sequels, but damn the supremacy and the resurgent were awesome designs
While they weren’t very original, they indeed were pretty awesome
too bad they barely did shit
I liked the desing of the resurgent but I really disliked the design of the supremacy
The Resurgence class is a beauty of a Star destroyer. The Mega Star destroyer is just dumb
Damn straight..
Heres the thing I noticed about the sequel trilogy...
Awful movies, characters and plots.
Fantastic ship design.
That bothers me.
When an EL video delivers the exact type of content you need for the weekend...for the 420th time 😎😎😎
Yuuzhan Vong are my favorite star wars villains! I almost went into a career in Molecular Biology and Genetic Engineering because of them and my first ever fanfic was in the Yuuzhan Vong War and featured heavily Wraith Squadron.
I love Vong lore too. Enjoyed reading all those books. Something about The Yuuzhan Vong gave them a mysterious and menacing vibe that really appealed to me.
I like Empire vs Vong stuff because they both follow their own version of the Tarkin doctrine. Both rely heavily on having the biggest gun in every fight with starfighters playing secondary roles. The Rebellion/NR shows that strategy has serious flaws
Big gun/steamroller strategy is fine in a symmetrical war
The point of guerilla tactics is that they take advantage of asymmetry
By the same token, spam/zerg rush strategy worked pretty well most of the time for the CIS, because the Clone Wars were fairly balanced (I'd even say spam tactics are used by the Empire at starfighter level, more so than big guns)
I think the greatest strengths of the Vong weren't having the biggest guns in every fight. Instead it was:
1- Having full knowledge of your enemy's disposition and technology, while they have none of yours;
2- Competent leadership, generally picking fights they can win or creating conditions for victories to occur;
3- Infiltration and deceit to soften foes up from within so you're never fighting them at their best.
In all situations where these advantages were in any way nullified they lost no matter how much firepower they brought.
And yet the Vong nearly wiped out the NR. The NR had to get outside help for the war.
@@dustinmaxwell259 The biggest difference between the Empire and the Vong is that the Vong are competent. Frighteningly so.
It was a breath of fresh air to have antagonists who are clever and competent, rather than just powerful. It's a rare treat that had previously had been served mainly by Thrawn.
The Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't hesitate to fly one their ships into a mega star destroyer at FTL speed to destroy it.
Dying in combat was an honor for them.
When the mothership is in heat. The friction will shear the supremacy in half, just like the calamari cruiser did.
😳
Uhhh...... Wut?!?
Ara ara~
I don't get it?
"I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going, ABANDON SHIP!!!"
I knew this was eventually coming but to be honest if it has really bad leadership like it was before it was destroyed then the youzoohng would win
Apparently the Supremacy has to get nose-to-nose with an enemy ship in order to fire it's turbolasers which is why it couldn't shoot at the Raddus with it's main guns. In which case, fighters will be the main way the ships fight each other and the Yuuzhan Vong have the advantage there. (Supremacy might only launch 4 fighters like they did in The Last Jedi, lol.)
Babylon 5 the Earth defense of Earth vs the covenant attack.
Or the Halo defense of Earth vs the Minbari attack.
The Empire vs the Shadows or the Vorlons from Babylon 5
The Babylon 5 universe vs ether something from the Star war universe or the HALO universe I would love to see some Babylon 5 love once.
Factions
Fighters non Star Wars. Babylon 5, HALO, Stargate, the Last Starfighter, Battlestar Galactica or Space: Above and Beyond
Capital ships non Star Wars.
What Faction has the best planet attack capability
Love Starship Versus, such a fun series
Now that's a battle I would like to see. Although I think the Worldship could win. Especially if it was their first encounter. Their tech would catch the Empire of guard.
Suggestion: E-wing vs T-85 X-wing
The Empire knew about the Vong before the first world ship ever got close.
The supremacy isn't a empire ship
What's the point of this kind of versus when now in canon, you can throw a ship in lightspeed mode to nuke a bigger ship?
The sequels are such a waste...
@@lilithvia1122 If you are referring to the battle of Endor... Well it has been explained that we only saw the finishing blow of that A-Wing running into the super star destroyer. Ackbar himself is calling for a focus on it on screen...
Galactic versus video idea
Could the entire galaxy of mass effect (excluding Reapers) defend itself against an imperial invasion. If the empire wins, include Reapers for a round 2.
Star wars has a far more convenient and i think faster FTL
I think they could, the entire galaxy that would be a ton of ships, far more then the amount the Empire would be able to bring to bear. And a lot of the ships in Mass Effect are designed to be in longer fights with large ships but also still have point defense tech unlike the ISDs
@@TheRandomshite123 yeah. Basically they could traverse the whole galaxy in matter of days or even seconds. Anything to be convenient for the plot.
@@jacobparslow8723 yeah but the star wars fighters could destroy most if not all mass effect ships up close
To an extent, yes, but IIRC at the start of the mass effect trilogy, most human alliance ships were capable of 50C as their maximum cruise when not using a relay.
Comparatively, star wars ships seem to move at relativistic speeds in a sublight setting. An Imperial 1 ISD is rated at 975kmh in atmosphere (the only direct measurement I was able to find) and in an invasion setting of the mass effect galaxy, they would also have to be pathfinding until stable and regularly traversable hyperspace lanes were mapped out. The main selling point of star wars FTL would be mostly useless in this setting, and the home team would be able to do hit and run style attacks, or even just pepper the invasion fleet with railgun fire from extreme standoff ranges because as we all know,
Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.
Who would win the yuuzhan vong or the eldar. Both factions bound to massive life vessels running from their own extinction
Elder hands down
I’d give the win to the Eldar.
This can't be a serious question. If it is here goes, so of the Eldar faction they reside on one of six craftworlds(unless they are dark eldar) each of which is the size of a planet. And then you add in (because warhammer likes to be vague and ambiguous) that technically there are a completely unknown amount of them because the warp is completely bonkers. The Yuuzhan honestly stand no chance. Honestly the first time the Yuuzhan fight wraith guards on a ground battle and they are done
The knife eared bastards win, better tactics and equipment. Psyker powers also
Given how completely bonkers 40K is in general, that's not even a question.
So how would the Death Stars defend themselves against the Yuuzhan Vong? Lets assume DS2 is fully constructed and has a supporting fleet.
DS2 was stated to be invulnerable if completed. I think it would be one side. DS2 battle station solos the Vong.
@@QuantumNova Invulnerable because if it's shielding?
@@Litany_of_Fury Yes, its onboard shield generator would have made it indestructible. Battle of Endor was the only chance.
Lando: "We won't get another chance at this, admiral."
Akbar: "We have no choice. Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
@@QuantumNova I understand that, the Rebels were outmatched in conventional warfare. This is the Yuuzhan Vong were talking about.
The DS2 is like eight times the size of the largest Vong Worldship, can swat their capitals out of the stars easily with it's superlaser, and packs more turbolasers than a dozen Executor SSD's combined.
Short of the Sun Crusher, the Galaxy Gun, or other super weapons at the extreme tier like them, the Death Star 2 is utterly invincible.
What if Exegol Sith Armada vs the entire Yuuzhan Vong Army?? I wanna see if the vong is capable of defeating the armada independently.
How about the army of the zann consortium against the first order/sith eternal army
@@lordofcreation3498 That would work. Nice idea.
@@Zakku_Kousaka thanks
Video idea: which Sith Troopers are the best, the Vitiate Sith Army (SWTOR) Darth Krayt's Sith Troopers (Legacy) or the Sith Eternal Sith Troopers (Rise of Skywalker).
Also, what would have happened if Piett and the Executor survived the Battle of Endor? Would the Empire have had a symbol and figure to rally behind or would he be just another warlord?
Waiting for the battle breakdown of Yuuzhan'tar from The Unifying Force
How about "Battle of the Assassination Droid: IG-88 vs Guri"? 🤔 Bonus points if IG-88 gets to complete its plan to download its mind into the computer core of the Death Star 2
when you said they were basically capitals I immediately thought about high charity from halo
Looking through reccomended after watching an impulse vid
"25 minutes ag"
Ah nows a better time than any!
Honestly, I have doubts that the Supremacy actually could put out that much fire power.
Because watching the movie, multiple times it really just didn't when it should have. Like on it's initial hypering in and catching the Rebel...errr RESISTANCE fleet. Or when picking off the transports.
Of course it could be the general idiocy of everyone in the Sequels...
Worldshipe with fleet vs. Supremacy with fleet I'll say goes to the Vong, no problem though.
The reason we don’t see the supremacy do much is that the resistance was able to keep out of range of most of its weapons, and out of the effective range of even its longest range weapons
@@gonkdroid4603 yes, a range of a measly 50 km or so, if the tactical holograms are to scale (and that seems to match most 'live' shots in the film, too)
That said, a lot of power was being shunted into the engines, which (presumably) had to keep constantly accelerating, since the Resistance ships apparently were.
@@chrissonofpear1384 the ship itself is 60 km wide. You are either joking, or actually too dumb to think that, if the ship was so far from the Resistance fleet that its scale was barely visible, then ofc that they were out of range. You know, most lasers can't travel infinitely
@@a_balloon well they aren't literally lasers, per se, but yes, not infinitely.
Still, we see ships fire from ORBIT - and if the holos on the bridge are to scale, it barely clears the Supremacy's wingspan, to hit the Raddus.
Maybe they can fire further, but not with sufficient hitting power - that said, these were the 'arcing' laser/plasma bolts.
And yes, maybe it looked further onscreen, but seemingly, not by much.
As much of a dumpster the sequal was, the Supermacy was actually one of the rare good thing that was presented. Because for the role it was meant for, the design actually made sence while looking good at the same time. Even the way it went down belong to the rare moment of lucidity the plot had, if not the only one.
I got a good vs match idea for ya gears of war vs doom. so the humanity at full strength with sentinels and doom guy with the demons of hell vs the COG with delta squad and locus. Maybe to get crazy you could add Maykrs and lambent. I feel like both army’s are a about equally matched, I’d think doom has the edge.
@@zeradus In reality, unless you are using Argent energy, none of those weapons would damage the Slayer due to his praetor suit (which in itself is inmune to even the most advance armaments) and the Argent barrier that surrounds him, so yeah, not even the Hammer of Dawn could hurt him even a full power, for the other side of the spectrum you are right, demons would easily beat both humans and locust simultaneously, Hell not only has the numbers, but even demons like the imps and tanky are powerful enough to subdue almost anything of its tier
The Supremacy is probably the best ship the first order could have owned. Too bad they misused it as a battleship instead of as a hidden shipyard.
Exactly. Another thing they should have done is turn that enourmous production capacity towards droid fighters.
Cheap, effective, numerous, and don't require the manpower that the First Order lacked.
@@Banchoking Hell they could have gone a step further and had it be old CIS Tech
Um actually the supremacy only holds 4 Star fighters lol
Doubt
LoL, with that logic it only had 5 turbolasers.
@@QuantumNova Might as well considering the rickety old Resistance ships manage to withstand their turbolaser fire, before they ran out of fuel.
@@pepperedash4424 The movie keeps getting worse the more we think about it. We should stop 😂.
@@QuantumNova To make matters worse the Resistance ships were almost 30 years old, while the First Order ships were 5 at the most.
Going to strongly respectfully disagree on this one. Having all your guns pointed forward when you have commanders and ships that can do micro hyper space jumps to get to your back makes it have an extreemly obvious weakness. In just a 360 degrees it can effectily fight on what 160 degrees? Unlike star destroyers and other ships that can effectivly fight on 330 degrees.
Worse yet it was shown that ships can get past its shields in the last jedi, so its unlikely that its shields could do jack squat to stop the vong projectiles.
So the supremacy only wins 6 out of 10 times if the vong does exactly what the supremacy wants them to do. If the vong decides hey it has a major obvious weakness that we can easily exploit the vong wins 999 out of a 1000 times.
Sorry the supremacy is just a crap design. Looks intimidating but its weakness would be easily exploited by a competent military.
One vid I would love to see is Why the Galactic Republic didn't have any Dreadnaughts during the Clone Wars!!!
I hate how the supremacy got destroyed cause a simple interdictor field would have prevented it. And also prevented the entire episode which would have been a win win
#AskEck
*(882)*
*Factions versus battle:*
The Imperium of Man -
*(Warhammer 40k)*
*Vs.*
The Forerunners -
*(Halo)*
Funny thing.
First thought: Psykers get a Forerunner and they've got the strategic depth to make up the tech disadvantage.
Second though: They can't make up the tech disadvantage because dirty xenos and new ideas are dangerous.
However, to be fair, the Forerunners built a "kill everyone in the galaxy" weapon and used it. Well, technically they built a machine that automatically builds Halos and warps them off to wherever they need to be. If they really want to win...
Forerunners stomp. Dark Age Humanity or Necrons would be on an even field though.
@@argentaegis
I highly doubt that would be a major factor.
@@thorshammer7883 yeh. I don't think The Imperium could last long enough with cohesion to learn much even without the "new = bad" aversions. The Forerunners don't have much reason to even directly engage. Their drone/ai forces are plenty capable.
Forerunners stomp bad match up
Here’s a better question. Could the Covenant with High Charity and it’s fleet with the CSO from Reach take on the Vong. Also pretending all CSOs haven’t been destroyed already
@EckhartsLadder I'd love to see a versus episode with the USS vengeance from Star Trek into darkness.
I love all the comments saying that the worldship can just pull the old Holdo maneuver and "clearly win".
No one wins when they're both destroyed.
I assume both could just "Holdo" each other with hyper capable auxiliary craft, but life is less fun if we reduce our fantasy space battles to immutable MAD.
@@argentaegis Exactly. That's the problem with introducing that concept. While it looked cool, it opened up a whole can of worms.
@Vanya C Finn's comment in TRoS was purely there to address & quell fan backlash of that particular scene, doubt it had any real weight to it other than that. The powers that be didn't put that much thought into any of the backend anyway. Or the entire trilogy for that matter. It was "rule of cool" 100% of the way.
Some author may extrapolate some bullshit about the shields into a page or two in an obscure source book or something, which will ultimately be marginally canon until it isn't.
The weapons of the Yuuzhan Vong ships and their effictivness against the main galaxy's ships never made sense to me and struck me as really bad writing. They literally just shoot out magma. Hot partly melted rocks. And it makes no sense what so ever that it would work. Considering turbolaser are plasma. which is much hotter. There is no reason it should work at all. It should bounce off, completely harmlessly off anythign but most lightly armored of ships. And for shields, a single drodika shield should be more then strong enough to fend off their most powerful versions, not just one at a time, but literally an entire world ships arsnonal worth non stop.
I agree, however the shields do drain power with each hit taken. So if the power plant was taxed enough it could be an issue. I see the giant wing ship in this case more than able to fly through a good size moon unfazed.
@@1014p Yeah, the power drain would be an issue for the drodika, that was probably an exxergation. But their weapons shouldn't be able to get through any star ship shields. The power drain is porpotional to how strong the hit it. So maybe with prolonged fired it could eventually break through. But given the differences between plasma and molten rock, it would likely take a concertrated and prolonged volley from maybe not a world ship, but one of their smaller capital ships, all focusing on a single A wing, then maybe that could break through the shields.
@@zogar8526 Indeed, it would be more them needing an asteroid field of molten rocks. You bet the wing ship has a way to deploy secondary shield if needed.
@@1014p Yeah, I get what the writers point was. The idea of new tech beating what we know and all that. And it can work. Just the way they described the new stuff wasn't anything that could actually work. We know even unshielded Tie Fighters can take hits from astroides. And that even taking one as big as the Tie itself won't blow it up. It will disable it, and send in in to a bigger one to blow up, like in Empire, but even flying in to one nearly the size of the ship doesn't out right destroy it. And the Yuuzan Vong ships fired little bits of molten rock. So the size isn't enough, nor the speed, and the heat of being melted would be at beast a fraction of a percent of the heat from plasma. They should have done a better job coming up with something weird and exitoic to be more effective.
@@zogar8526 i think (its been a while since i read njo) it was a combination of the kinetic energy and the thermal energy. Shields are either ray or kinetic/physical, or you have both overlapping.
Something w the impact and the physical impact and the heat working together. Seems like i remember accounts of xwing hulls melting in the early parts of the war.
First, and thanks for the great video. As this was a interesting match up but a bit off given the sheer size of the World ship
The Eclipse of course, craps on both of them. Too much firepower for a Dovin Basal to stop, and too much firepower for the Supremacy's shields to handle.
Truly, the Eclipse is the ideal SSD, followed shortly by the Sovereign.
Seriously, it's no joke. That mini Death Star style super laser may not be able to explode planets, but it does crack them open. It basically can pull off the same thing the Death Star was doing in Rogue One.
Damn straight!!!
As long as the eclipse is handled intelligently. By that I’m referring to that short vidjéo they made of it fighting another dreadnought. Why would you jump your massive wedge of doom so close to the other ship that you could only use half of its firepower? Jump in far enough away that you can keep the nose pointed at the enemy then fire everything. It’s like a claymore, sure someone off to the side of it isn’t going to have a good day, but it’s far more effective when they are directly in front of it.
@@VegetaLF7 I was thinking that the Eclipse, with a little more power, could use an extended superlaser blast to cause a planet to implode like Kijimi did.
@@juangonzalez9848 half the firepower is the axial super laser...which can fire at angles...the supremacy is so large that it doesn't matter how retarded the commander is...all he has to do is jump in and ZAP!!! HAHAHA
Next match: interdictor melee
A good while ago, I suggested a match between the Rebel’s CC-7700 & the Imperial’s Immobilizer 418 cruiser. If there are any better interdictors to slug each other, then please replace ‘em accordingly. Otherwise, I’d like to know which one is superior & such…
Please, regale, @Admiral Wullf Yularen.
Anything else, @Admiral Wullf Yularen? Because I was imagining some sort of hardening contest between Metapod & Kakuna (Pokémon metaphor)…
🤨 . . . Well, if you’re referring to _Empire at War_ , @Admiral Wullf Yularen, then when they turn on their gravity well generators, do they still move or ? ? ? Because I honestly believe THAT to be a huge factor, especially in regards to comparing gameplay mechanics vs lore, why I brought up that Metaphor…
Battle idea
The Empires fleet from the battle of Endor (including the Death Star 2)
VS
All the First Orders forces seen in The Last Jedi. That would give them the dreadnaught and the three resurgents at the battle of da'qar and then the Supremacy plus the 10-12 ish resurgents that pursue the resistance fleet.
The number of resurgents can be a little loose for this battle because there's no way of knowing if the three from the battle of da'qar joined the Supremacy's fleet. Also it's hard to count exactly how many resurgents are behind the Supremacy. In my opinion the first order should have at least 10 resurgents for this battle.
He already did that, search "Empire's fleet at Endor vs Snoke's armada"
@@a_balloon oh cool thank you I must have missed that
"Supercarriers are pissing contest" -generation tech
I’m a Prequel and OT fan, but can’t deny the Supremacy, TIE Silencer and Resurgent Class Star Destroyer are some of the best looking ships in the Star Wars universe.
I disagree you didn’t mention the bong willingness for sacrifice especially early in the war I think they would have kamikazed large amount of smaller ships if they had to to overwhelm the shields leaving it vulnerable
Any ship with a Death Star superlaser ends a Vong worldship... Which is the point, yes..?
No superlaser? It's a 50\50 proposition, at best.
Episode 8 should've been the Vuuzhan Vong being a huge treat to the galaxy, not a Mon Calamari cruiser worrying about fuel and Holdo
Would've been cool if the "coral" material the Vong ships were made out of was the same as the Orbalisks that Bane unintentionally adopted as his armor millennia prior
Nope but very similar to the vonduun crab armor the vong wore in combat.
Who would win:
EU: Wedge Antilles, Jag Fel, and Pre-Jedi Coran Horn
Flying XJ7 X-Wings
vs
Disney: Wedge Antilles, Yrica Quell, and Poe Dameron
Flying T-85 X-Wings
That moon really pulled a Holdo Maneuver on Chewie lmao
Damn bro
Too soon
The supremies was miss used in the movies. I tbink it has some deathstar lasers, because jj.
The maga projector plus the gravity generator thing could make an interesting shield. Basically vomit out a bunch of magma, let it cool. Move it around the ship with the grav gen, instant asteroid field for projector.
Galaxy Gun VS Starkiller Base. Valid substitutes for the former: Either Death Star,
Interesting matchup but i'll go with the supremacy.
Ok hear me out the supremacy got hit by an entire capital ship going to hyperspace the fact that it even still existed after that is shocking let alone being intact enough for there to be survivors
That “Coral” The Walking Dead reference was great 😂👍
I wish they would re-record The new jedi order (Yuuzhan vong set) audible set in the full Unabridged format (ie the complete book) and have them read by Marc Thompson
I think the extended universe stuff is just as bad as the Disney stuff. It reads like bad fan fiction.
People designing the supremacy: let’s make it look pretty normal but still very big
People designing the yuuzhan vong: S Q U I D
Squid is superior
Emperor-Class Battleship vs Executor SSD!
60k is 37.2 miles. I walk a lot and I usually only do 25-30 miles a week.
Doesn't the supremacy carry like 8 star destroyers along with the star fighters
It has ability to do so. But it isn’t standard like unsc infinity
Have you ever done video(s) on some of the non-military ships in Star Wars?
We caught glimpses of some of these types in the prequels. For example, there was the fire ships in Ep.3, or the roadster Anakin commandeered in Ep.2.
Here's an idea for a vid: Yuuzhan Vong vs. Tyrannids
“It can probably stay out of the area where it’s gonna get it shields sucked off.”
-Eckartsladder, 2021
Someone please tell me why do I keep hearing “oven bagels”?
HIGH CHARITY VS ATLANTIS ( Halo VS Stargate ).
Respect and keep up the epic work.
Atlantis wins, assuming that three ZPMs are powering it.
I would love to see an ISD from Star Wars vs the Defiant from Star Trek. I honestly don't know if the maneuverability of the Defiant is enough to allow it to destroy the ISD but it would be fun to see EckartsLadder's thoughts.
#AskEck
The Eclipse Class Super Star Destroyer. *(Expanded Universe)*
*Vs.*
Gloriana Class Battleship. *(Warhammer 40k)*
Could the UNSC Infinity survive picking up a necromorph marker?
No.
Supremacy vs star trek earth space station.
If you setup the scenario where they are in an empty void, and they just go head to head, and the Vong not only stay directly in front of them but at a good range for the Supremacy, and ftl is disallowed, and the vong don't use Grutchin. Then yes Supremacy has a slight edge.
I've always thought that some ideas for ships and armour in the sequel are cool. Too bad that in my eyes the story is executed badly. Well, for me at least. Others may see it as good and I have no problem with that. It's a matter of personal preference.
Does the yuzon vhong world ship have a natural form of the hyperdrive? One light-speed jump by the world ship to the mega star destroyer ala admiral holdo, and the supremacy is toast. ;p
Almost 6 miles a day? Respect.
Why did the galaxy took this long to get more reliable and widespread Interdictor tech?
In Kotor ships already exist with those capabilties even if it maybe was in the early stages of developement they had more then 3000 years to work on it.
Besides many conflicts big or small that should have boostet the dev. the republic or independent systems could have used it to catch criminals by preventing them to run away or use them similar like Thrawn at the battle of bilbringi to protect planets and installations from spionage or space battles.
Very interesting video! Will you do more battle breakdowns? Its my favorite series on this channel
I was wondering if the fleet the Sith Empire used to take back Korriban in KOTOR would be able to save Reach from the Covenant, also, glad verses is back
So the First Order is the Yuuzhan?
The worldship would trash the MSD. For all its enormous size it's armament is pathetically weak and also short ranged. It can't hit a ship much further away than its own wingtip-to-wingtip length, and it wailed on admiral Pink Hair's ship for a couple days without taking it out. And the shots do that stupid arcing-cannon-balls-in-space thing. An Executor class dreadnought, despite being a lot smaller would crush the MSD in direct combat.
Hurling rocks sounds lo-fi, but it isn't something to be sneezed at
In a lot of hard sci fi, relativistic kinetic attacks (usually using rocks) are pretty much the final word in planet killing
Lol centari mass drivers were the first thing i thought of
the Supremacy was given over 10 hours to fire and still unable to kill one fking Mon cal cruiser, i seriously question the firepower of this thing
@Vanya C in Reble TV show, Thrawn bombarded a ground base from orbit with Imperial era ISD(utilizing normal turbo laser) so i found it hard to believe the engagement in TLJ can be considered very long-range to the point even super large turbo lasers are weakened
@Vanya C given the visual reference, u can clearly see the Mon cal cruiser and the escort from the Supremacy, there is no way that distance is beyond 400km.
@Vanya C the fact that u can "eyeball" it means it can't be too far away or else u cant even see the shape of the damn thing
Of all the things they could;ve named it they went with the basic "Mega-class" bleh. I don't even know why that annoys me lol.
Matchup idea: Grandmaster Luke Skywalker from Legendsverse vs Palpatine Reborn from Disneyverse.
Plucky heroes defeat Supremacy and multiple superweapons. Plucky heroes don't really defeat worldship. Empire 0, Vong 1
Weeeeeeeeel, An executor needed to ram herself into one AFTER an entire ARMADA fought it, to basicaly BEAT ONE. The underarmed, underdeveloped, unshielded Supremacy (Yes UNSHIELDED as every SW ship has particle and ray shielding, wich in disney's failnon NO ONE HAS OBVIOUSLY) would not survive that battle, 3 or 4 of them maybe, or 2 if one of them sacrifices herself.
Oh and yes, you said they where dieing, thus at 100% capacity not even a death star superlaser would put a dent in them, ok maybe dent yes, but not kill it outright.
You know what would be a good idea? Compare, in a faction compare or similar, the new Canon vs Legends. THEN we see, as you say yourself that your among the ultimate Starwars Knowledgable people on earth, wich would win. The ORIGINAL Canon, called Legends, with all its tech, advantages in storytelling, ships etc. , against the new canon that disney wanted to scale down to make it look realistic, wich SW never was and never should be! Air on Hoth? THey had an answer back in the 80's for it, yet NO ONE asked! Now i BET Disney would show us HOW IT IS DONE because OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE OK WITH THAT.
This was a really cool video!
Invasion of the Yuzan Vong galaxy by Palpatine's Dark Empire. Would the Vong repel the invaders?
You left out an important factor regarding the shields that tips the battle much more in the worldship's favor.
How deflector shields work in SW. They're not a single shield, they're actually a double layer of two different shields: Ray deflectors, which protect from energy weapons, and Particle deflectors, which protect from physical impacts.
Both deflectors draw power from the same source, and power is finite. So if you strengthen one deflector, you weaken the other.
That's why asteroids destroyed one of the Star Destroyers chasing the Falcon in Strikes Back as if it had no shields... expecting to be shot at with turbolasers by the fleeing ship the captain kept the SD's deflectors to standard battle configuration (Ray deflectors at 150%, Particle deflectors at 50%) and the weakened particle deflectors couldn't compensate for the asteroid impact, failed, and simply dropped, allowing the asteroid to annihilate the ship. Although, even at double a physical impact with something that size would have disrupted particle shields and allowed complete destruction or extreme damage.
Just about all Vong ship to ship weapons are physical projectiles of great acceleration and mass.
Assuming the Supremacy had never fought a Vong ship before, the Supremacy would have its deflectors at standard battle configuration, ray at plus half, particle at half
Which means that those deflectors would LITERALLY DO NOTHING against Vong anti-ship weaponry. And in the time that it took for the Supremacy crew to quit panicking and realize how the deflectors needed to be reconfigured to be effective, the Supremacy would.have been ABSOLUTELY TORN TO PIECES by the Worldship' incredibly powerful, incredibly effective, and incredibly NUMEROUS physical anti-ship weapons.
Indeed, it was THIS QUIRK of Vong weapons that made the Yuuzan Vong War last so long and be so costly to the New Republic... for much of the war, Republic War vessels just plain DIDN'T SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT KIND OF WEAPONS THE VONG USE.
This is also why no known personal shield generator will protect you from a Wookie Bowcaster shot. Personal generators can only supply one type of shielding at a time because of the extremely limited power, though you can quickly toggle it given a second or two.
A Bowcaster fires a big solid metal slug with extreme force via magnetic acceleration, encased in a blaster bolt envelope. When it hits your personal shield, if it is set to Ray deflection, the blaster bolt envelope will be stopped but the metal slug will rip a sizable hole through you. If it's set to particle the slug will be stopped but the blaster bolt envelope will still blow a sizeable hole in you.
So the best way to survive being shot with a bowcaster, is to avoid being shot with the bowcaster if at all possible.
Wookies get all kinds of lip service to their strength, but their intelligence and cleverness and elegantly simple technological engineering prowess often goes unsung.
While I like the Worldship more I can see why the Supremacy won. It's superior firepower would be overwhelming. I'd like to make some suggestions for future videos.
Halo vs Star Wars: What if humanity in Halo had been invaded by the Yuuzhan Vong instead of the Covenant? And what if the Covenant invaded the Star Wars galaxy instead of the Vong? Also Autumn-class heavy cruiser vs MC90 Star Cruiser.
Honor of Macragge, flagship of Roboute Guilliman (WH40K) vs Yuuzhan Vong Worldship
It was shown but not addressed, one capability if the Supremacy faced off against a Worldship, is that beside the hundreds or thousands of turbolaser emplacements and thousands of TIE starfighters, is that the Supremacy could disembark the dozen Star Destroyers wing-docked to it & in the internal drydock bays to add to the firepower against the Worldship, with their own TIE starfighters & turbolasers to fire upon the Worldship.
The Supremacy couldn't even break the shields of a retreating ship a fraction of its size. It's big, yeah, but clearly its firepower is rubbish. Then the first time we see anything attack it, it gets split in half.
It could only use its long-range artillery though. One of the lines in the film is that The Raddus was too fast, so it kept out of the range of the Supremacy's turbolasers
@@TheBrixHub "Out of range," lol in space where there is no air pressure or friction, so theoretically, if you throw something in space, it will literally NEVER stop going until it hits something.
Also when the Supremacy first entered real space it was practically on top of the Raddus. How close did the First Order expect to need to be to enemies in order to shoot them? Especially for a ship that is the easiest ship in the universe to get flanked because all of it's guns face forward.
The Supremacy has no feats of strength apart from being big and the retconned information Star Wars put into the books afterwards.
Oh, and also the Supremacy only has room for 4 fighters inside, lol.
@@Cold-Blooded-Jay
- Range has always been a thing in Star Wars, I don't know where you pulled that from lmao
- You can pause the film at multiple points to show how far apart the ships were.
- The Raddus was very fast, (as were most rebel/resistance ships) the only way any of the TIEs caught up was when the Raddus was swinging around, and hadn't picked up speed
- All this science is beyond pointless, Star Wars has never made sense, so to see suddenly people care about it is laughable
@@TheBrixHub Yeah, my bad. I forgot that science and physics aren't needed in a fantasy film. Having a movie grounded in reality has never made the film better or more believable. Besides, the people who made The Last Jedi clearly had no love for the movie or any understanding on how the Star Wars universe works.
@@Cold-Blooded-Jay Well that's just clearly wrong. Out of the directors of the new Star Wars movies and content, Rian Johnson has watched both TCW and Rebels, enjoyed and publicly praised the Prequel trilogy, and has continued to enjoy and appreciate all the feedback for TLJ (minus the racist idiots who went after KMT)
Furthermore, it's kinda idiotic to boil the entire production team down to just Rian. So even if your point about him was true, you'd still be very far from right.
*Stuff that makes pretty much zero scientific sense in SW*
Star Wars ships flying in space like planes, Leia and Han should have been crushed in the vacuum of space inside the slug, sound can't even be heard in space.
(Plus, just as a bonus, Anakin programs the hyperdrive of the Malevolence to crash it into a planet back in TCW, so the hyperspace collision in TLJ isn't an inconsistency)
Galactica vs Donnager or a universe vs for the Expanse and Battlestar Galactica
Honestly I think Worldship because the coralskippers would obliterate the TIEs and start pecking the supremacy to death while the big dogs slug it out. If it was only 1v1, supremacy. Include fighter/ skipper complements and you get worldship 8 times out of 10.
Not so much a versus, but tech comparison maybe? I played an Empire at War mod that allowed modern empire star fleets to fight older super structures and ships from the Old Republic ( I think it was just called Empire at War Remastered). I was wondering what kind of firepower from The Empire/New Republic would be needed to overpower The Star Forge and destroy it without a "Trench Run", so to speak
If I were to lead a Galactic Conquering faction, I would choose the Supremacy, no doubt in my mind, literally they see me rollin, they hatin, wherever I go, my nation follows, my LITERAL CAPITAL, it's like a dream come true, idk if you could grow food inside of it, hydroponics make me believe it would be a possibility, if that's the case, yeah, seal the deal, I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy, but the moment I saw the Supremacy, man, I feel in love.