It isn't a Versus video, but what do you think would happen if Thrawn had the Supremacy? Because of its size and staff requirements it could initially be a problem for Thrawn to use, but the Supremacy was a mobile fortress with mining and manufacturing capabilities. One of Thrawns 'weaknesses' was a lack of ships.
@@robertnelson9599 Eh; with the destruction of the Supremacy the First Order lost its flagship, a major manufacturing/docking facility, and it's main base of operations. While it only lost a dreadnaught with the destruction of the Fulminatrix.
Regarding the Supremacy's resilience on-screen, let's not forget that it was abandoned and scuttled because the First Order leadership wanted to make sure none of their rivals could use the ship. Even after it was sawn in half, it was clearly very valuable, and the ship was not rendered combat-incapable until it had been dismantled and demolished from the inside. That bodes very well for its damage resistance, especially to external weapons fire which the ship would be designed to withstand.
I would give it to the Vong, there were so many times in the books were there munition just pierced through shields as if they weren't even there. It has a reason why they had to ram the Lusankya in it after bombarding it with an exorbitant number of Turbolasers, to destroy that thing
@@acezenfu3293 they used it as a ram because they redesigned it as a ram with firepower. They knew it wouldn't have enough firepower to destroy a world ship so they made its inner hull into a needle to puncture the worldship killing it.
It's because there are two kinds of shield. Ray shields, which stop, blaster shots, and particle shields, which stop physical objects. But they are powered by the same power source, so as you raise power to one to strengthen it, you have to lower power to the other, weakening it. The majority of projectiles in the SW universe are energy projectiles (blasters and turbolasers) so by default warships put more power to the ray shielding and less to the particle shielding because they are expecting only things like micrometeor impacts to need deflecting by particle shields. Yuuzan Vong weapons are mostly physical projectiles. Most warships have their shields calibrated to favor Ray shielding by default. So Yuuzan Vong weapons just punch right through.
@@GuukanKitsune in addition, they were hot af and drew therefore power from the energy shields as well and if they came through they made tremendous damage to the hull. I can't tell you how often i read that the wing of a starfighter got hit and it melted straight through
As a WW2 naval enthusiast, I’ve never heard a name quite as bad as “Mega class.” There have been classes that have been named with letters or numbers, and those are all better than “Mega class.”
Yuuzhan Vong are my favorite star wars villains! I almost went into a career in Molecular Biology and Genetic Engineering because of them and my first ever fanfic was in the Yuuzhan Vong War and featured heavily Wraith Squadron.
I love Vong lore too. Enjoyed reading all those books. Something about The Yuuzhan Vong gave them a mysterious and menacing vibe that really appealed to me.
I don't like the Sequels, but I DO like the First Order ships. Resurgence, Supremacy, and Mandator IV were all nice additions to the big screen. I'm a simple guy. I see a Star Destroyer, odds are I like it.
The existence of the MSD is by far the best thing about the sequels. Without the Supremacy (which is incredibly beautiful) there's literally nothing good about the Disney films at all
I like Empire vs Vong stuff because they both follow their own version of the Tarkin doctrine. Both rely heavily on having the biggest gun in every fight with starfighters playing secondary roles. The Rebellion/NR shows that strategy has serious flaws
Big gun/steamroller strategy is fine in a symmetrical war The point of guerilla tactics is that they take advantage of asymmetry By the same token, spam/zerg rush strategy worked pretty well most of the time for the CIS, because the Clone Wars were fairly balanced (I'd even say spam tactics are used by the Empire at starfighter level, more so than big guns)
I think the greatest strengths of the Vong weren't having the biggest guns in every fight. Instead it was: 1- Having full knowledge of your enemy's disposition and technology, while they have none of yours; 2- Competent leadership, generally picking fights they can win or creating conditions for victories to occur; 3- Infiltration and deceit to soften foes up from within so you're never fighting them at their best. In all situations where these advantages were in any way nullified they lost no matter how much firepower they brought.
@@dustinmaxwell259 The biggest difference between the Empire and the Vong is that the Vong are competent. Frighteningly so. It was a breath of fresh air to have antagonists who are clever and competent, rather than just powerful. It's a rare treat that had previously had been served mainly by Thrawn.
I’m a Prequel and OT fan, but can’t deny the Supremacy, TIE Silencer and Resurgent Class Star Destroyer are some of the best looking ships in the Star Wars universe.
The Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't hesitate to fly one their ships into a mega star destroyer at FTL speed to destroy it. Dying in combat was an honor for them.
Apparently the Supremacy has to get nose-to-nose with an enemy ship in order to fire it's turbolasers which is why it couldn't shoot at the Raddus with it's main guns. In which case, fighters will be the main way the ships fight each other and the Yuuzhan Vong have the advantage there. (Supremacy might only launch 4 fighters like they did in The Last Jedi, lol.)
This can't be a serious question. If it is here goes, so of the Eldar faction they reside on one of six craftworlds(unless they are dark eldar) each of which is the size of a planet. And then you add in (because warhammer likes to be vague and ambiguous) that technically there are a completely unknown amount of them because the warp is completely bonkers. The Yuuzhan honestly stand no chance. Honestly the first time the Yuuzhan fight wraith guards on a ground battle and they are done
Galactic versus video idea Could the entire galaxy of mass effect (excluding Reapers) defend itself against an imperial invasion. If the empire wins, include Reapers for a round 2.
I think they could, the entire galaxy that would be a ton of ships, far more then the amount the Empire would be able to bring to bear. And a lot of the ships in Mass Effect are designed to be in longer fights with large ships but also still have point defense tech unlike the ISDs
To an extent, yes, but IIRC at the start of the mass effect trilogy, most human alliance ships were capable of 50C as their maximum cruise when not using a relay. Comparatively, star wars ships seem to move at relativistic speeds in a sublight setting. An Imperial 1 ISD is rated at 975kmh in atmosphere (the only direct measurement I was able to find) and in an invasion setting of the mass effect galaxy, they would also have to be pathfinding until stable and regularly traversable hyperspace lanes were mapped out. The main selling point of star wars FTL would be mostly useless in this setting, and the home team would be able to do hit and run style attacks, or even just pepper the invasion fleet with railgun fire from extreme standoff ranges because as we all know, Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.
Now that's a battle I would like to see. Although I think the Worldship could win. Especially if it was their first encounter. Their tech would catch the Empire of guard. Suggestion: E-wing vs T-85 X-wing
Video idea: which Sith Troopers are the best, the Vitiate Sith Army (SWTOR) Darth Krayt's Sith Troopers (Legacy) or the Sith Eternal Sith Troopers (Rise of Skywalker). Also, what would have happened if Piett and the Executor survived the Battle of Endor? Would the Empire have had a symbol and figure to rally behind or would he be just another warlord?
@@Litany_of_Fury Yes, its onboard shield generator would have made it indestructible. Battle of Endor was the only chance. Lando: "We won't get another chance at this, admiral." Akbar: "We have no choice. Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
The DS2 is like eight times the size of the largest Vong Worldship, can swat their capitals out of the stars easily with it's superlaser, and packs more turbolasers than a dozen Executor SSD's combined. Short of the Sun Crusher, the Galaxy Gun, or other super weapons at the extreme tier like them, the Death Star 2 is utterly invincible.
How about "Battle of the Assassination Droid: IG-88 vs Guri"? 🤔 Bonus points if IG-88 gets to complete its plan to download its mind into the computer core of the Death Star 2
Honestly, I have doubts that the Supremacy actually could put out that much fire power. Because watching the movie, multiple times it really just didn't when it should have. Like on it's initial hypering in and catching the Rebel...errr RESISTANCE fleet. Or when picking off the transports. Of course it could be the general idiocy of everyone in the Sequels... Worldshipe with fleet vs. Supremacy with fleet I'll say goes to the Vong, no problem though.
The reason we don’t see the supremacy do much is that the resistance was able to keep out of range of most of its weapons, and out of the effective range of even its longest range weapons
@@gonkdroid4603 yes, a range of a measly 50 km or so, if the tactical holograms are to scale (and that seems to match most 'live' shots in the film, too) That said, a lot of power was being shunted into the engines, which (presumably) had to keep constantly accelerating, since the Resistance ships apparently were.
@@chrissonofpear1384 the ship itself is 60 km wide. You are either joking, or actually too dumb to think that, if the ship was so far from the Resistance fleet that its scale was barely visible, then ofc that they were out of range. You know, most lasers can't travel infinitely
@@a_balloon well they aren't literally lasers, per se, but yes, not infinitely. Still, we see ships fire from ORBIT - and if the holos on the bridge are to scale, it barely clears the Supremacy's wingspan, to hit the Raddus. Maybe they can fire further, but not with sufficient hitting power - that said, these were the 'arcing' laser/plasma bolts. And yes, maybe it looked further onscreen, but seemingly, not by much.
As much of a dumpster the sequal was, the Supermacy was actually one of the rare good thing that was presented. Because for the role it was meant for, the design actually made sence while looking good at the same time. Even the way it went down belong to the rare moment of lucidity the plot had, if not the only one.
I got a good vs match idea for ya gears of war vs doom. so the humanity at full strength with sentinels and doom guy with the demons of hell vs the COG with delta squad and locus. Maybe to get crazy you could add Maykrs and lambent. I feel like both army’s are a about equally matched, I’d think doom has the edge.
@@zeradus In reality, unless you are using Argent energy, none of those weapons would damage the Slayer due to his praetor suit (which in itself is inmune to even the most advance armaments) and the Argent barrier that surrounds him, so yeah, not even the Hammer of Dawn could hurt him even a full power, for the other side of the spectrum you are right, demons would easily beat both humans and locust simultaneously, Hell not only has the numbers, but even demons like the imps and tanky are powerful enough to subdue almost anything of its tier
Would've been cool if the "coral" material the Vong ships were made out of was the same as the Orbalisks that Bane unintentionally adopted as his armor millennia prior
Next match: interdictor melee A good while ago, I suggested a match between the Rebel’s CC-7700 & the Imperial’s Immobilizer 418 cruiser. If there are any better interdictors to slug each other, then please replace ‘em accordingly. Otherwise, I’d like to know which one is superior & such…
🤨 . . . Well, if you’re referring to _Empire at War_ , @@admiralwullfyularen6225, then when they turn on their gravity well generators, do they still move or ? ? ? Because I honestly believe THAT to be a huge factor, especially in regards to comparing gameplay mechanics vs lore, why I brought up that Metaphor…
Have you ever done video(s) on some of the non-military ships in Star Wars? We caught glimpses of some of these types in the prequels. For example, there was the fire ships in Ep.3, or the roadster Anakin commandeered in Ep.2.
Babylon 5 the Earth defense of Earth vs the covenant attack. Or the Halo defense of Earth vs the Minbari attack. The Empire vs the Shadows or the Vorlons from Babylon 5 The Babylon 5 universe vs ether something from the Star war universe or the HALO universe I would love to see some Babylon 5 love once. Factions Fighters non Star Wars. Babylon 5, HALO, Stargate, the Last Starfighter, Battlestar Galactica or Space: Above and Beyond Capital ships non Star Wars. What Faction has the best planet attack capability
I still think the Yuuzhan Vong are the most interesting piece of legends there is, the whole war and their past is extremely interesting, considering their connection to the force, their destruction of their galaxy, and them causing the largest conflict in galactic history, killing literal trillions. Unrelated but why wasn’t Coruscant made the capitol of the New Republic? I mean it’s always been the most important world in the Star Wars galaxy, and I know Mon Mothma wanted a rotating senate, but like bruh. Great video btw! Much love❤️
The supremies was miss used in the movies. I tbink it has some deathstar lasers, because jj. The maga projector plus the gravity generator thing could make an interesting shield. Basically vomit out a bunch of magma, let it cool. Move it around the ship with the grav gen, instant asteroid field for projector.
I know of a ship in Legends that did take on a world ship and win. It was Domain Lah and the ship was the Super Star Destroyer Lusankya, for the New Republic Navy. Part of the Borelias defence strategy Emperors spear.
Here’s a better question. Could the Covenant with High Charity and it’s fleet with the CSO from Reach take on the Vong. Also pretending all CSOs haven’t been destroyed already
Yes! I love Starship / Galactic versus! I still think you should do one of these that involves a ship or faction from the Japanese science fiction show “Space Battleship Yamato” which was released in the US 42 years ago today as “Star Blazers.” I’d love to see a Galactic between the Courscant Defense Fleet and a Gamilas fleet. Then again, I’d be extremely happy if you did any video that mentioned Space Battleship Yamato.
This seems like a race between the superior frontal firepower of the star destroyer vs thousands of coralskippers pounding the star destroyer almost unmolested from behind.
I would love to see an ISD from Star Wars vs the Defiant from Star Trek. I honestly don't know if the maneuverability of the Defiant is enough to allow it to destroy the ISD but it would be fun to see EckartsLadder's thoughts.
If you setup the scenario where they are in an empty void, and they just go head to head, and the Vong not only stay directly in front of them but at a good range for the Supremacy, and ftl is disallowed, and the vong don't use Grutchin. Then yes Supremacy has a slight edge.
Who would win: EU: Wedge Antilles, Jag Fel, and Pre-Jedi Coran Horn Flying XJ7 X-Wings vs Disney: Wedge Antilles, Yrica Quell, and Poe Dameron Flying T-85 X-Wings
What's the point of this kind of versus when now in canon, you can throw a ship in lightspeed mode to nuke a bigger ship? The sequels are such a waste...
@@lilithvia1122 If you are referring to the battle of Endor... Well it has been explained that we only saw the finishing blow of that A-Wing running into the super star destroyer. Ackbar himself is calling for a focus on it on screen...
I think the main issue would be the Yamask, the Vong would have the edge in fighter craft (I think) and that would allow them to swarm and combining that with the many many large guns. I think the Vong would be able to knock out the MSD's shielding at least in part, their fighters get close and that would be game. Even if the Resurgence had point defense guns there is no way it would have enough of them to stop tens of thousands of fighter craft from chewing it to bits. Plus if those fighters hit something vital like a shield projector or several and take down a portion of the shielding... well that's just a faster checkmate
Battle idea The Empires fleet from the battle of Endor (including the Death Star 2) VS All the First Orders forces seen in The Last Jedi. That would give them the dreadnaught and the three resurgents at the battle of da'qar and then the Supremacy plus the 10-12 ish resurgents that pursue the resistance fleet. The number of resurgents can be a little loose for this battle because there's no way of knowing if the three from the battle of da'qar joined the Supremacy's fleet. Also it's hard to count exactly how many resurgents are behind the Supremacy. In my opinion the first order should have at least 10 resurgents for this battle.
I hate how the supremacy got destroyed cause a simple interdictor field would have prevented it. And also prevented the entire episode which would have been a win win
I wish they would re-record The new jedi order (Yuuzhan vong set) audible set in the full Unabridged format (ie the complete book) and have them read by Marc Thompson
Exactly. Another thing they should have done is turn that enourmous production capacity towards droid fighters. Cheap, effective, numerous, and don't require the manpower that the First Order lacked.
While I like the Worldship more I can see why the Supremacy won. It's superior firepower would be overwhelming. I'd like to make some suggestions for future videos. Halo vs Star Wars: What if humanity in Halo had been invaded by the Yuuzhan Vong instead of the Covenant? And what if the Covenant invaded the Star Wars galaxy instead of the Vong? Also Autumn-class heavy cruiser vs MC90 Star Cruiser.
I was wondering if the fleet the Sith Empire used to take back Korriban in KOTOR would be able to save Reach from the Covenant, also, glad verses is back
Please do the CIS C9979 vs the Republic Acclamator. The space battle might be slightly one sided but I want to see how their ground forces can duke it out!
Hurling rocks sounds lo-fi, but it isn't something to be sneezed at In a lot of hard sci fi, relativistic kinetic attacks (usually using rocks) are pretty much the final word in planet killing
Yuuzhan Vong is probably a top 5 series for me; however, there are some serious flaws and/or inconsistencies with the whole concept. If they use gravity to move, to defend, and even to strip shields; then you should consistently see a loss of capability in one function when they focus on performing another one. But half the time this gets ignored. A second issue is their projectiles. First off, they would rapidly cool in space. Secondly they would have to be provided by the worldship or starfighter shooting them. Which creates 2 problems that are ignored. Problem A) they're effective like a shotgun in that they should only be effective to a certain range. Speed, cooling to become a solid (bigger ones of which could be dodged or blasted like in Empire Strikes Back). I have to believe they're slower than lasers due to being molten rather than plasma. Problem B) Ammo. Especially the smaller ships would have severely limited ammunition and would quickly have to resupply. If you're spitting out rocks big enough to put a fist-sized hole in something, you gotta have a place to store that in your ship. Conservation of matter - even if you're mixing 2 liquids to create an expanding foam to make your ammo (just giving benefit of the doubt here), you won't have nearly the same room in your fighter for ammo as a starfighter.
It was shown but not addressed, one capability if the Supremacy faced off against a Worldship, is that beside the hundreds or thousands of turbolaser emplacements and thousands of TIE starfighters, is that the Supremacy could disembark the dozen Star Destroyers wing-docked to it & in the internal drydock bays to add to the firepower against the Worldship, with their own TIE starfighters & turbolasers to fire upon the Worldship.
I assume both could just "Holdo" each other with hyper capable auxiliary craft, but life is less fun if we reduce our fantasy space battles to immutable MAD.
@Vanya C Finn's comment in TRoS was purely there to address & quell fan backlash of that particular scene, doubt it had any real weight to it other than that. The powers that be didn't put that much thought into any of the backend anyway. Or the entire trilogy for that matter. It was "rule of cool" 100% of the way. Some author may extrapolate some bullshit about the shields into a page or two in an obscure source book or something, which will ultimately be marginally canon until it isn't.
If I were to lead a Galactic Conquering faction, I would choose the Supremacy, no doubt in my mind, literally they see me rollin, they hatin, wherever I go, my nation follows, my LITERAL CAPITAL, it's like a dream come true, idk if you could grow food inside of it, hydroponics make me believe it would be a possibility, if that's the case, yeah, seal the deal, I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy, but the moment I saw the Supremacy, man, I feel in love.
A fully healthy, fresh out the shipwomb Worldship with the experience of someone as smart and wily as Czulkang Lah would likely be able to defeat Snoke. One thing you forget is a psychological difference; the YV are never afraid to die. Skips vs T/Fs would end in a slaughter in the YV's favour. Molten metal dripping through the layers of the ship would be at best hard to contain and lead to a breakdown in how the systems operate, and if the Worldship DID get into close range, its' plasma guns would slag the Supremacy although at the cost of significant battle damage.
Not so much a versus, but tech comparison maybe? I played an Empire at War mod that allowed modern empire star fleets to fight older super structures and ships from the Old Republic ( I think it was just called Empire at War Remastered). I was wondering what kind of firepower from The Empire/New Republic would be needed to overpower The Star Forge and destroy it without a "Trench Run", so to speak
To the point of the Supremacy being taken out in The Last Jedi, it was taken out with a capital ship doing a hyper jump ramming maneuver NO SHIP can prepare for that.
I think you might be missing one thing that's very important. Ships in the star wars universe use shields primarily designed to withstand energy blasts from turbolasers. As shown in Ep V, they don't handle physical impacts very well. The fact that the yuuzhon vong ships basically hurl molten rocks at the enemy, the energy shields probably wouldn't have helped. Also, once you knock out their shields, all the vong have to do is drop a black hole directly inside the bridge, and you disable the entire ship. So I give victory to the Vong
Not really. A super star destroyer was tanking multi megaton hits from asteroids in an asteroid field. In one comic a SSD tanked cruisers exiting out of hyperspace. Their shields protect from high velocity attacks, imcluding projectile, though deflector shiepds are made from three or two types of shields, so it is common for them to have those types of shields down, or simply get hit in an area where less energy is being spared and therefore a turbolaser/projectile shot gets through dealing mild damage.
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How about the Phalanx from 40k vs the Death star? Or the Tyranids vs the Yu Zon Vong?
@09:55, a yuuzhang vong black hole? HOLY MAGOG WORLDSHIP BATMAN
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It isn't a Versus video, but what do you think would happen if Thrawn had the Supremacy? Because of its size and staff requirements it could initially be a problem for Thrawn to use, but the Supremacy was a mobile fortress with mining and manufacturing capabilities. One of Thrawns 'weaknesses' was a lack of ships.
@@isaacgraff8288: Thrawn’s weakness was a Noghri
I like how the Supremacy is incredibly wide to offset the trend of super long capital ships such as the Executor and other super star destroyer types.
It's a way better design than that First Order Dreadnaught.
@@robertnelson9599 Eh; with the destruction of the Supremacy the First Order lost its flagship, a major manufacturing/docking facility, and it's main base of operations. While it only lost a dreadnaught with the destruction of the Fulminatrix.
I like it but it also bothers me at the same time, needs to be dagger shsped!
It's very reminiscent of the Peacemillion from Gundam Wing.
One wide boi
Sith Ships of the Old Republic: Harrower-class Dreadnought vs Interdictor-class Cruiser (Interdictor-class Sith Destroyer)
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Nothing can truly beat our ships...we are to strong...
Regarding the Supremacy's resilience on-screen, let's not forget that it was abandoned and scuttled because the First Order leadership wanted to make sure none of their rivals could use the ship. Even after it was sawn in half, it was clearly very valuable, and the ship was not rendered combat-incapable until it had been dismantled and demolished from the inside. That bodes very well for its damage resistance, especially to external weapons fire which the ship would be designed to withstand.
Well said. The supremacy was still functional even after vice admiral gender studies committed suicide.
I was linda disappointed, i thought they could've turned it into the setup/setting for episode 9
Shame it was eventually destroyed tbh because it would of been much better then palpatines fleet
@@drp1bb856 gende- excuse me?!
@@Eradicator-jv9xr your excused.
I would give it to the Vong, there were so many times in the books were there munition just pierced through shields as if they weren't even there. It has a reason why they had to ram the Lusankya in it after bombarding it with an exorbitant number of Turbolasers, to destroy that thing
They rammed it because the SSD was extremely under staffed , if i remember half or less turbolasers were used in that battle
@@acezenfu3293 they used it as a ram because they redesigned it as a ram with firepower. They knew it wouldn't have enough firepower to destroy a world ship so they made its inner hull into a needle to puncture the worldship killing it.
@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff Operation Emperor's Spear, yes.
Built right down the Beltway... (see Rebel Assault 2 for what that probably looks like, also)
It's because there are two kinds of shield. Ray shields, which stop, blaster shots, and particle shields, which stop physical objects. But they are powered by the same power source, so as you raise power to one to strengthen it, you have to lower power to the other, weakening it.
The majority of projectiles in the SW universe are energy projectiles (blasters and turbolasers) so by default warships put more power to the ray shielding and less to the particle shielding because they are expecting only things like micrometeor impacts to need deflecting by particle shields.
Yuuzan Vong weapons are mostly physical projectiles. Most warships have their shields calibrated to favor Ray shielding by default. So Yuuzan Vong weapons just punch right through.
@@GuukanKitsune in addition, they were hot af and drew therefore power from the energy shields as well and if they came through they made tremendous damage to the hull. I can't tell you how often i read that the wing of a starfighter got hit and it melted straight through
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Also, I don’t care what the canon says, it’s the Supremacy Class.
Someone clearly phoned in the Mega Class for sure. I mean really? Mega? That's all you could come up with?
As a WW2 naval enthusiast, I’ve never heard a name quite as bad as “Mega class.” There have been classes that have been named with letters or numbers, and those are all better than “Mega class.”
Would 'Ultra' be acceptable? I prefer that. It comes after super technically.
@@QuantumNova plus ultra.
Sorry.
@@QuantumNova No. It's not big enough. You should look up Eck's video on the Imperium-class Ultra Star Destroyer, AKA "The Freudian Nightmare."
Disney "Canon": "Look how old you've become."
Expanded Universe: "Something far worse has happened to you!"
This sounds familiar, where si this joke from?
@@robertnelson9599 The Force Awakens
It's the scene where Leia & Han first met in that movie, right?
@@AlexSDU It's when Kylo Renn and the First Order attack that village
@@yourstruly4817 Well Kylo does get redeemed.
So you never know...
Yuuzhan Vong are my favorite star wars villains! I almost went into a career in Molecular Biology and Genetic Engineering because of them and my first ever fanfic was in the Yuuzhan Vong War and featured heavily Wraith Squadron.
I love Vong lore too. Enjoyed reading all those books. Something about The Yuuzhan Vong gave them a mysterious and menacing vibe that really appealed to me.
Love or hate the films, the Supremacy was a really cool ship either way.
Eh it was different but tbh the Resurgence class was so cool and barely used
I don't like the Sequels, but I DO like the First Order ships. Resurgence, Supremacy, and Mandator IV were all nice additions to the big screen.
I'm a simple guy. I see a Star Destroyer, odds are I like it.
The existence of the MSD is by far the best thing about the sequels. Without the Supremacy (which is incredibly beautiful) there's literally nothing good about the Disney films at all
@basteala525 in general I loved the first order and think they could've been really cool but sadly it was scuffed
@@neonexpert1668 The first order was easily the best part of the sequels for me.
I like Empire vs Vong stuff because they both follow their own version of the Tarkin doctrine. Both rely heavily on having the biggest gun in every fight with starfighters playing secondary roles. The Rebellion/NR shows that strategy has serious flaws
Big gun/steamroller strategy is fine in a symmetrical war
The point of guerilla tactics is that they take advantage of asymmetry
By the same token, spam/zerg rush strategy worked pretty well most of the time for the CIS, because the Clone Wars were fairly balanced (I'd even say spam tactics are used by the Empire at starfighter level, more so than big guns)
I think the greatest strengths of the Vong weren't having the biggest guns in every fight. Instead it was:
1- Having full knowledge of your enemy's disposition and technology, while they have none of yours;
2- Competent leadership, generally picking fights they can win or creating conditions for victories to occur;
3- Infiltration and deceit to soften foes up from within so you're never fighting them at their best.
In all situations where these advantages were in any way nullified they lost no matter how much firepower they brought.
And yet the Vong nearly wiped out the NR. The NR had to get outside help for the war.
@@dustinmaxwell259 The biggest difference between the Empire and the Vong is that the Vong are competent. Frighteningly so.
It was a breath of fresh air to have antagonists who are clever and competent, rather than just powerful. It's a rare treat that had previously had been served mainly by Thrawn.
The Last Jedi and sequels in general may not have been the best but damn if the Supremacy is not an awesome ship
The Supremacy, the Resistance Bombers, the Ghost and the U-Wing are my favorite ships to come from the new canon.
@@JakeStaffin Remove the Resistance Bomber and I agree.
Those MC75 and hammerhead corvettes are also one the best thing they made in canon. T-70 looks like a copy of the T-65.
@@JakeStaffin
Remove the bombers and we good
I actually really liked the last Jedi it’s a bad sequel to force awakens but it’s actually a really good movie
Love Starship Versus, such a fun series
I’m a Prequel and OT fan, but can’t deny the Supremacy, TIE Silencer and Resurgent Class Star Destroyer are some of the best looking ships in the Star Wars universe.
When the mothership is in heat. The friction will shear the supremacy in half, just like the calamari cruiser did.
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Uhhh...... Wut?!?
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I don't get it?
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The Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't hesitate to fly one their ships into a mega star destroyer at FTL speed to destroy it.
Dying in combat was an honor for them.
When an EL video delivers the exact type of content you need for the weekend...for the 420th time 😎😎😎
You can shit on Disney's sequels, but damn the supremacy and the resurgent were awesome designs
While they weren’t very original, they indeed were pretty awesome
too bad they barely did shit
I liked the desing of the resurgent but I really disliked the design of the supremacy
The Resurgence class is a beauty of a Star destroyer. The Mega Star destroyer is just dumb
Damn straight..
I knew this was eventually coming but to be honest if it has really bad leadership like it was before it was destroyed then the youzoohng would win
Apparently the Supremacy has to get nose-to-nose with an enemy ship in order to fire it's turbolasers which is why it couldn't shoot at the Raddus with it's main guns. In which case, fighters will be the main way the ships fight each other and the Yuuzhan Vong have the advantage there. (Supremacy might only launch 4 fighters like they did in The Last Jedi, lol.)
when you said they were basically capitals I immediately thought about high charity from halo
Who would win the yuuzhan vong or the eldar. Both factions bound to massive life vessels running from their own extinction
Elder hands down
I’d give the win to the Eldar.
This can't be a serious question. If it is here goes, so of the Eldar faction they reside on one of six craftworlds(unless they are dark eldar) each of which is the size of a planet. And then you add in (because warhammer likes to be vague and ambiguous) that technically there are a completely unknown amount of them because the warp is completely bonkers. The Yuuzhan honestly stand no chance. Honestly the first time the Yuuzhan fight wraith guards on a ground battle and they are done
The knife eared bastards win, better tactics and equipment. Psyker powers also
Given how completely bonkers 40K is in general, that's not even a question.
Galactic versus video idea
Could the entire galaxy of mass effect (excluding Reapers) defend itself against an imperial invasion. If the empire wins, include Reapers for a round 2.
Star wars has a far more convenient and i think faster FTL
I think they could, the entire galaxy that would be a ton of ships, far more then the amount the Empire would be able to bring to bear. And a lot of the ships in Mass Effect are designed to be in longer fights with large ships but also still have point defense tech unlike the ISDs
@@TheRandomshite123 yeah. Basically they could traverse the whole galaxy in matter of days or even seconds. Anything to be convenient for the plot.
@@Cmdr_Shepard1 yeah but the star wars fighters could destroy most if not all mass effect ships up close
To an extent, yes, but IIRC at the start of the mass effect trilogy, most human alliance ships were capable of 50C as their maximum cruise when not using a relay.
Comparatively, star wars ships seem to move at relativistic speeds in a sublight setting. An Imperial 1 ISD is rated at 975kmh in atmosphere (the only direct measurement I was able to find) and in an invasion setting of the mass effect galaxy, they would also have to be pathfinding until stable and regularly traversable hyperspace lanes were mapped out. The main selling point of star wars FTL would be mostly useless in this setting, and the home team would be able to do hit and run style attacks, or even just pepper the invasion fleet with railgun fire from extreme standoff ranges because as we all know,
Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.
Now that's a battle I would like to see. Although I think the Worldship could win. Especially if it was their first encounter. Their tech would catch the Empire of guard.
Suggestion: E-wing vs T-85 X-wing
The Empire knew about the Vong before the first world ship ever got close.
The supremacy isn't a empire ship
HIGH CHARITY VS ATLANTIS ( Halo VS Stargate ).
Respect and keep up the epic work.
Atlantis wins, assuming that three ZPMs are powering it.
One vid I would love to see is Why the Galactic Republic didn't have any Dreadnaughts during the Clone Wars!!!
Video idea: which Sith Troopers are the best, the Vitiate Sith Army (SWTOR) Darth Krayt's Sith Troopers (Legacy) or the Sith Eternal Sith Troopers (Rise of Skywalker).
Also, what would have happened if Piett and the Executor survived the Battle of Endor? Would the Empire have had a symbol and figure to rally behind or would he be just another warlord?
So how would the Death Stars defend themselves against the Yuuzhan Vong? Lets assume DS2 is fully constructed and has a supporting fleet.
DS2 was stated to be invulnerable if completed. I think it would be one side. DS2 battle station solos the Vong.
@@QuantumNova Invulnerable because if it's shielding?
@@Litany_of_Fury Yes, its onboard shield generator would have made it indestructible. Battle of Endor was the only chance.
Lando: "We won't get another chance at this, admiral."
Akbar: "We have no choice. Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
@@QuantumNova I understand that, the Rebels were outmatched in conventional warfare. This is the Yuuzhan Vong were talking about.
The DS2 is like eight times the size of the largest Vong Worldship, can swat their capitals out of the stars easily with it's superlaser, and packs more turbolasers than a dozen Executor SSD's combined.
Short of the Sun Crusher, the Galaxy Gun, or other super weapons at the extreme tier like them, the Death Star 2 is utterly invincible.
How about "Battle of the Assassination Droid: IG-88 vs Guri"? 🤔 Bonus points if IG-88 gets to complete its plan to download its mind into the computer core of the Death Star 2
Waiting for the battle breakdown of Yuuzhan'tar from The Unifying Force
"Supercarriers are pissing contest" -generation tech
Honestly, I have doubts that the Supremacy actually could put out that much fire power.
Because watching the movie, multiple times it really just didn't when it should have. Like on it's initial hypering in and catching the Rebel...errr RESISTANCE fleet. Or when picking off the transports.
Of course it could be the general idiocy of everyone in the Sequels...
Worldshipe with fleet vs. Supremacy with fleet I'll say goes to the Vong, no problem though.
The reason we don’t see the supremacy do much is that the resistance was able to keep out of range of most of its weapons, and out of the effective range of even its longest range weapons
@@gonkdroid4603 yes, a range of a measly 50 km or so, if the tactical holograms are to scale (and that seems to match most 'live' shots in the film, too)
That said, a lot of power was being shunted into the engines, which (presumably) had to keep constantly accelerating, since the Resistance ships apparently were.
@@chrissonofpear1384 the ship itself is 60 km wide. You are either joking, or actually too dumb to think that, if the ship was so far from the Resistance fleet that its scale was barely visible, then ofc that they were out of range. You know, most lasers can't travel infinitely
@@a_balloon well they aren't literally lasers, per se, but yes, not infinitely.
Still, we see ships fire from ORBIT - and if the holos on the bridge are to scale, it barely clears the Supremacy's wingspan, to hit the Raddus.
Maybe they can fire further, but not with sufficient hitting power - that said, these were the 'arcing' laser/plasma bolts.
And yes, maybe it looked further onscreen, but seemingly, not by much.
As much of a dumpster the sequal was, the Supermacy was actually one of the rare good thing that was presented. Because for the role it was meant for, the design actually made sence while looking good at the same time. Even the way it went down belong to the rare moment of lucidity the plot had, if not the only one.
That “Coral” The Walking Dead reference was great 😂👍
This was a really cool video!
What if Exegol Sith Armada vs the entire Yuuzhan Vong Army?? I wanna see if the vong is capable of defeating the armada independently.
How about the army of the zann consortium against the first order/sith eternal army
@@lordofcreation3498 That would work. Nice idea.
@@Zakku_Kousaka thanks
Looking through reccomended after watching an impulse vid
"25 minutes ag"
Ah nows a better time than any!
I got a good vs match idea for ya gears of war vs doom. so the humanity at full strength with sentinels and doom guy with the demons of hell vs the COG with delta squad and locus. Maybe to get crazy you could add Maykrs and lambent. I feel like both army’s are a about equally matched, I’d think doom has the edge.
@@zeradus In reality, unless you are using Argent energy, none of those weapons would damage the Slayer due to his praetor suit (which in itself is inmune to even the most advance armaments) and the Argent barrier that surrounds him, so yeah, not even the Hammer of Dawn could hurt him even a full power, for the other side of the spectrum you are right, demons would easily beat both humans and locust simultaneously, Hell not only has the numbers, but even demons like the imps and tanky are powerful enough to subdue almost anything of its tier
Would've been cool if the "coral" material the Vong ships were made out of was the same as the Orbalisks that Bane unintentionally adopted as his armor millennia prior
Nope but very similar to the vonduun crab armor the vong wore in combat.
Almost 6 miles a day? Respect.
Heres the thing I noticed about the sequel trilogy...
Awful movies, characters and plots.
Fantastic ship design.
That bothers me.
I went right to imagining the Yuuzhan Vong World ship pooping around space as its flying around.
Emperor-Class Battleship vs Executor SSD!
At last, another vs Episode. Glad you listen to your fans, Ecks!
@EckhartsLadder I'd love to see a versus episode with the USS vengeance from Star Trek into darkness.
It’s good to have you back eck
Next match: interdictor melee
A good while ago, I suggested a match between the Rebel’s CC-7700 & the Imperial’s Immobilizer 418 cruiser. If there are any better interdictors to slug each other, then please replace ‘em accordingly. Otherwise, I’d like to know which one is superior & such…
Please, regale, @@admiralwullfyularen6225.
Anything else, @@admiralwullfyularen6225? Because I was imagining some sort of hardening contest between Metapod & Kakuna (Pokémon metaphor)…
🤨 . . . Well, if you’re referring to _Empire at War_ , @@admiralwullfyularen6225, then when they turn on their gravity well generators, do they still move or ? ? ? Because I honestly believe THAT to be a huge factor, especially in regards to comparing gameplay mechanics vs lore, why I brought up that Metaphor…
That moon really pulled a Holdo Maneuver on Chewie lmao
Damn bro
Too soon
I loved this series, glad to see it back, thanks eck for this gift
Thanks so much for a starship versus!!!!!!
Have you ever done video(s) on some of the non-military ships in Star Wars?
We caught glimpses of some of these types in the prequels. For example, there was the fire ships in Ep.3, or the roadster Anakin commandeered in Ep.2.
Babylon 5 the Earth defense of Earth vs the covenant attack.
Or the Halo defense of Earth vs the Minbari attack.
The Empire vs the Shadows or the Vorlons from Babylon 5
The Babylon 5 universe vs ether something from the Star war universe or the HALO universe I would love to see some Babylon 5 love once.
Factions
Fighters non Star Wars. Babylon 5, HALO, Stargate, the Last Starfighter, Battlestar Galactica or Space: Above and Beyond
Capital ships non Star Wars.
What Faction has the best planet attack capability
Hi Ec love your videos they teach me so many more things about star wars than I would have know by my self .
I still think the Yuuzhan Vong are the most interesting piece of legends there is, the whole war and their past is extremely interesting, considering their connection to the force, their destruction of their galaxy, and them causing the largest conflict in galactic history, killing literal trillions.
Unrelated but why wasn’t Coruscant made the capitol of the New Republic? I mean it’s always been the most important world in the Star Wars galaxy, and I know Mon Mothma wanted a rotating senate, but like bruh.
Great video btw! Much love❤️
Cool video!
I'd always love to see a Starship VS featuring the Bellator.
“It can probably stay out of the area where it’s gonna get it shields sucked off.”
-Eckartsladder, 2021
I've been rereading some Vong era legends books so this video is great timing!
I see the video finally rendered, well worth the wait though 👍
EL: A very interesting ST versus video
Me: You are so right!
The supremies was miss used in the movies. I tbink it has some deathstar lasers, because jj.
The maga projector plus the gravity generator thing could make an interesting shield. Basically vomit out a bunch of magma, let it cool. Move it around the ship with the grav gen, instant asteroid field for projector.
I know of a ship in Legends that did take on a world ship and win. It was Domain Lah and the ship was the Super Star Destroyer Lusankya, for the New Republic Navy. Part of the Borelias defence strategy Emperors spear.
Here’s a better question. Could the Covenant with High Charity and it’s fleet with the CSO from Reach take on the Vong. Also pretending all CSOs haven’t been destroyed already
Yes! I love Starship / Galactic versus! I still think you should do one of these that involves a ship or faction from the Japanese science fiction show “Space Battleship Yamato” which was released in the US 42 years ago today as “Star Blazers.” I’d love to see a Galactic between the Courscant Defense Fleet and a Gamilas fleet. Then again, I’d be extremely happy if you did any video that mentioned Space Battleship Yamato.
Episode 8 should've been the Vuuzhan Vong being a huge treat to the galaxy, not a Mon Calamari cruiser worrying about fuel and Holdo
This seems like a race between the superior frontal firepower of the star destroyer vs thousands of coralskippers pounding the star destroyer almost unmolested from behind.
I would love to see an ISD from Star Wars vs the Defiant from Star Trek. I honestly don't know if the maneuverability of the Defiant is enough to allow it to destroy the ISD but it would be fun to see EckartsLadder's thoughts.
If you setup the scenario where they are in an empty void, and they just go head to head, and the Vong not only stay directly in front of them but at a good range for the Supremacy, and ftl is disallowed, and the vong don't use Grutchin. Then yes Supremacy has a slight edge.
Who would win:
EU: Wedge Antilles, Jag Fel, and Pre-Jedi Coran Horn
Flying XJ7 X-Wings
vs
Disney: Wedge Antilles, Yrica Quell, and Poe Dameron
Flying T-85 X-Wings
What's the point of this kind of versus when now in canon, you can throw a ship in lightspeed mode to nuke a bigger ship?
The sequels are such a waste...
@@lilithvia1122 If you are referring to the battle of Endor... Well it has been explained that we only saw the finishing blow of that A-Wing running into the super star destroyer. Ackbar himself is calling for a focus on it on screen...
Interesting matchup but i'll go with the supremacy.
I think the main issue would be the Yamask, the Vong would have the edge in fighter craft (I think) and that would allow them to swarm and combining that with the many many large guns. I think the Vong would be able to knock out the MSD's shielding at least in part, their fighters get close and that would be game. Even if the Resurgence had point defense guns there is no way it would have enough of them to stop tens of thousands of fighter craft from chewing it to bits. Plus if those fighters hit something vital like a shield projector or several and take down a portion of the shielding... well that's just a faster checkmate
i dunno if he mentioned it, but all worldships also had a superweapon
Battle idea
The Empires fleet from the battle of Endor (including the Death Star 2)
VS
All the First Orders forces seen in The Last Jedi. That would give them the dreadnaught and the three resurgents at the battle of da'qar and then the Supremacy plus the 10-12 ish resurgents that pursue the resistance fleet.
The number of resurgents can be a little loose for this battle because there's no way of knowing if the three from the battle of da'qar joined the Supremacy's fleet. Also it's hard to count exactly how many resurgents are behind the Supremacy. In my opinion the first order should have at least 10 resurgents for this battle.
He already did that, search "Empire's fleet at Endor vs Snoke's armada"
@@a_balloon oh cool thank you I must have missed that
I hate how the supremacy got destroyed cause a simple interdictor field would have prevented it. And also prevented the entire episode which would have been a win win
The new Rogue Squadron audible book is incredible. I hate abridged, low quality titles. Plz, do the whole series!
Here's an idea for a vid: Yuuzhan Vong vs. Tyrannids
All ranged weapons are just variations of throwing rocks at people. Bullets? Little pointy rocks. Nukes? Big spicy rocks.
I wish they would re-record The new jedi order (Yuuzhan vong set) audible set in the full Unabridged format (ie the complete book) and have them read by Marc Thompson
The Supremacy is probably the best ship the first order could have owned. Too bad they misused it as a battleship instead of as a hidden shipyard.
Exactly. Another thing they should have done is turn that enourmous production capacity towards droid fighters.
Cheap, effective, numerous, and don't require the manpower that the First Order lacked.
@@Banchoking Hell they could have gone a step further and had it be old CIS Tech
While I like the Worldship more I can see why the Supremacy won. It's superior firepower would be overwhelming. I'd like to make some suggestions for future videos.
Halo vs Star Wars: What if humanity in Halo had been invaded by the Yuuzhan Vong instead of the Covenant? And what if the Covenant invaded the Star Wars galaxy instead of the Vong? Also Autumn-class heavy cruiser vs MC90 Star Cruiser.
Very interesting video! Will you do more battle breakdowns? Its my favorite series on this channel
I was wondering if the fleet the Sith Empire used to take back Korriban in KOTOR would be able to save Reach from the Covenant, also, glad verses is back
@09:55, a yuuzhang vong black hole? HOLY MAGOG WORLDSHIP , BATMAN
Supremacy vs star trek earth space station.
Please do the CIS C9979 vs the Republic Acclamator. The space battle might be slightly one sided but I want to see how their ground forces can duke it out!
Hurling rocks sounds lo-fi, but it isn't something to be sneezed at
In a lot of hard sci fi, relativistic kinetic attacks (usually using rocks) are pretty much the final word in planet killing
Lol centari mass drivers were the first thing i thought of
Yuuzhan Vong is probably a top 5 series for me; however, there are some serious flaws and/or inconsistencies with the whole concept.
If they use gravity to move, to defend, and even to strip shields; then you should consistently see a loss of capability in one function when they focus on performing another one. But half the time this gets ignored.
A second issue is their projectiles. First off, they would rapidly cool in space. Secondly they would have to be provided by the worldship or starfighter shooting them. Which creates 2 problems that are ignored. Problem A) they're effective like a shotgun in that they should only be effective to a certain range. Speed, cooling to become a solid (bigger ones of which could be dodged or blasted like in Empire Strikes Back). I have to believe they're slower than lasers due to being molten rather than plasma. Problem B) Ammo. Especially the smaller ships would have severely limited ammunition and would quickly have to resupply. If you're spitting out rocks big enough to put a fist-sized hole in something, you gotta have a place to store that in your ship. Conservation of matter - even if you're mixing 2 liquids to create an expanding foam to make your ammo (just giving benefit of the doubt here), you won't have nearly the same room in your fighter for ammo as a starfighter.
It was shown but not addressed, one capability if the Supremacy faced off against a Worldship, is that beside the hundreds or thousands of turbolaser emplacements and thousands of TIE starfighters, is that the Supremacy could disembark the dozen Star Destroyers wing-docked to it & in the internal drydock bays to add to the firepower against the Worldship, with their own TIE starfighters & turbolasers to fire upon the Worldship.
I love all the comments saying that the worldship can just pull the old Holdo maneuver and "clearly win".
No one wins when they're both destroyed.
I assume both could just "Holdo" each other with hyper capable auxiliary craft, but life is less fun if we reduce our fantasy space battles to immutable MAD.
@@argentaegis Exactly. That's the problem with introducing that concept. While it looked cool, it opened up a whole can of worms.
@Vanya C Finn's comment in TRoS was purely there to address & quell fan backlash of that particular scene, doubt it had any real weight to it other than that. The powers that be didn't put that much thought into any of the backend anyway. Or the entire trilogy for that matter. It was "rule of cool" 100% of the way.
Some author may extrapolate some bullshit about the shields into a page or two in an obscure source book or something, which will ultimately be marginally canon until it isn't.
I miss these versus. I wish your team would do mock fleet versus
You heard it here first folks, Yuuzhan Vong suckin' them shields off all day erry day
If I were to lead a Galactic Conquering faction, I would choose the Supremacy, no doubt in my mind, literally they see me rollin, they hatin, wherever I go, my nation follows, my LITERAL CAPITAL, it's like a dream come true, idk if you could grow food inside of it, hydroponics make me believe it would be a possibility, if that's the case, yeah, seal the deal, I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy, but the moment I saw the Supremacy, man, I feel in love.
Keep doin this kind of vids man.
A fully healthy, fresh out the shipwomb Worldship with the experience of someone as smart and wily as Czulkang Lah would likely be able to defeat Snoke. One thing you forget is a psychological difference; the YV are never afraid to die. Skips vs T/Fs would end in a slaughter in the YV's favour. Molten metal dripping through the layers of the ship would be at best hard to contain and lead to a breakdown in how the systems operate, and if the Worldship DID get into close range, its' plasma guns would slag the Supremacy although at the cost of significant battle damage.
5.1 k views in an hour? Your loved bro.
Not so much a versus, but tech comparison maybe? I played an Empire at War mod that allowed modern empire star fleets to fight older super structures and ships from the Old Republic ( I think it was just called Empire at War Remastered). I was wondering what kind of firepower from The Empire/New Republic would be needed to overpower The Star Forge and destroy it without a "Trench Run", so to speak
Because of the thumb nail I will not lie I thought for a second this was ur second chanle playing the Yoaden MOD.
Galaxy Gun VS Starkiller Base. Valid substitutes for the former: Either Death Star,
To the point of the Supremacy being taken out in The Last Jedi, it was taken out with a capital ship doing a hyper jump ramming maneuver NO SHIP can prepare for that.
Was gonna ask for a battle breakdown of the Lusankya against the Worldship but this works. Lol
I love your videos so much, ty!
First, and thanks for the great video. As this was a interesting match up but a bit off given the sheer size of the World ship
Thank you!
I think you might be missing one thing that's very important. Ships in the star wars universe use shields primarily designed to withstand energy blasts from turbolasers. As shown in Ep V, they don't handle physical impacts very well. The fact that the yuuzhon vong ships basically hurl molten rocks at the enemy, the energy shields probably wouldn't have helped. Also, once you knock out their shields, all the vong have to do is drop a black hole directly inside the bridge, and you disable the entire ship. So I give victory to the Vong
Not really. A super star destroyer was tanking multi megaton hits from asteroids in an asteroid field. In one comic a SSD tanked cruisers exiting out of hyperspace. Their shields protect from high velocity attacks, imcluding projectile, though deflector shiepds are made from three or two types of shields, so it is common for them to have those types of shields down, or simply get hit in an area where less energy is being spared and therefore a turbolaser/projectile shot gets through dealing mild damage.