When Doctor Who Fought Baked Potatoes To Stop Pollution

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  • Sontarans! Baked potatoes messing with your cars! Could Series 4's Sontaran two-parter bring back the beloved potato warriors successfully?
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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes  3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Patreon go brmm brmm
    www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

    • @sovoho7502
      @sovoho7502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      TH-cam comments: "tOm ElLiS iS tHe GuY fRoM lUcIfEr"
      me, an intellectual :Tom Ellis is the guy from Miranda

    • @Luuuna
      @Luuuna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sovoho7502 Gary > Lucifer any day of the week

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Um, does it? How?

    • @RealBadGaming52
      @RealBadGaming52 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Helen Raynor wrote two of my favourite serials , i dont get the hate, i LOVE Daleks in manhatten and sontaran 2 parter

    • @YourBeingParanoid
      @YourBeingParanoid ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope you've learnt what genocide means now?

  • @mujiescomedy279
    @mujiescomedy279 3 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    22:30 - that is the biggest insult to wilf. He didn’t “blunder into” the chamber. He entered it so that someone else could escape.

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      Thank you! He saved someone else's life without hesitation.

    • @hubbybubby7867
      @hubbybubby7867 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      it was the same reason he got into the car, to get it away from people and put people at less risk, it’s a consistent character trait of wilf always wanting to do the right thing and protect people, even saying his life was worth less than the doctors in 'the end time part 2' they were both selfless acts

    • @_somerandomguyontheinternet_
      @_somerandomguyontheinternet_ ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Wilf is amazing. I love him so much.

    • @Gojirawars03
      @Gojirawars03 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly.

    • @ShadeSlayer1911
      @ShadeSlayer1911 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@hubbybubby7867 It makes sense why he's so willing to jump into action to save others too, him being a former soldier and all.

  • @jtyler9130
    @jtyler9130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +708

    There’s also the Easter Egg of the Doctor wearing a gas mask saying “are you my mummy” always loved that moment.

    • @SlappyB
      @SlappyB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same!

    • @akodaah13-e32
      @akodaah13-e32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      OH GOD RIGHT, I DIDN'T NOTICED THAT HAHA

    • @robbiesmith8055
      @robbiesmith8055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      MY SISTER TOLD ME TODAY THAT HE IMPROVISED THAT LINE AFTER HE FORGOT HIS REAL LINE, MAKES IT EVEN BETTER

    • @thrashmetalkid6669
      @thrashmetalkid6669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Wouldnt really call that an Easter Egg. More like a refrence

    • @stephjovi
      @stephjovi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@robbiesmith8055 that was a great myth. But Georgia Tennant said it`s not true. It was scripted.

  • @blobfish5730
    @blobfish5730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +255

    Sontarans: Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.

  • @bigglessy
    @bigglessy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +268

    I'm surprised this two-parter is received so poorly by some, I remember thoroughly enjoying the story as a kid when it aired, and on rewatches it feels like a great mid-season(ish) filler and character development. Personally I would have ranked it a solid B overall. I cannot wait to see the review of "The stolen Earth" and "Journey's End" though!

    • @elliotdinero612
      @elliotdinero612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he already has done that

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed, I actually quite like these episodes.

    • @rezvlt9285
      @rezvlt9285 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree it was a really good two parter and I didnt think it was a bad story at all. Very good watch.

  • @mayabailes1653
    @mayabailes1653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    I also like how this story was followed up in the Sarah Jane Adventures.

    • @rosellastar468
      @rosellastar468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      So do, I love all the subtle links between the shows which makes it even cooler when you watch all alongside each other because you’re like yay and it makes the universe seem more interwoven together

    • @mr.person4050
      @mr.person4050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I really want Harbo to do a series on the SJA

    • @mayabailes1653
      @mayabailes1653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mr.person4050 Maybe he might after doing Torchwood?

    • @stephjovi
      @stephjovi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@mr.person4050 he keeps saying he has fond childhood memories of SJA and doesn`t want to ruin them by watching it with adult critical eyes. I think we should respect that

    • @lcoyle1998
      @lcoyle1998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really wish they'd done a follow up in the same vein in Torchwood. It would be interesting to see Jack fight the Sontarans, even Turn Left seemed to agree...

  • @NBvagabond
    @NBvagabond 3 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    I actually quite love that wilf is saved so quickly by just smashing the window, it's another example of humans thinking of human solutions that the doctor never considers. (it also reminds me of Donna trying to smash the window in partners in crime, so that instinct is something she and her mother share)

    • @hubbybubby7867
      @hubbybubby7867 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      i never thought about it connecting to partners in crime! that’s a good observation!

  • @jdg9825
    @jdg9825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    donna denting the 1980s is what caused the UNIT dating controversy.

    • @GeriatricFan1963
      @GeriatricFan1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Why does hearing "UNIT dating controversy" always make me think of some millitary-based office romance?

    • @larsswig912
      @larsswig912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@GeriatricFan1963 oh I actually thought it was that. I'm dumb lol

    • @LukSter18998
      @LukSter18998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GeriatricFan1963 jo and seargeant yates lol

    • @WSDigitalArtwork
      @WSDigitalArtwork ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GeriatricFan1963funnily enough, there is a big finish audio called UNIT dating which is basically that😂

  • @johannvongenerico9487
    @johannvongenerico9487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I think Rattigan's is end is less redemption for him and more the Sontaran's betrayal coming back to bite them in the arse

    • @cameronmonaghan6883
      @cameronmonaghan6883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      i agree but when I first saw it I didn't see it coming so Rattigan's death did take me by surprise. It, to me is an awesome moment for the episode.

    • @fromthethirdplanet
      @fromthethirdplanet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sonta- Ha

  • @orangepizzaparty688
    @orangepizzaparty688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    YOU DIDNT MENTION THE ARE YOU MY MUMMY BIT THATS ILLEGAL

  • @frazzlesreviews5379
    @frazzlesreviews5379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +410

    Just because something is arguably the weakest of series 4 doesn’t mean that the episode is bad. In fact despite it being low down I still return to this story a lot, it’s one of my comfort episodes.

    • @hgwsavage
      @hgwsavage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This is like my third favourite in S4 :)

    • @izzyisbored3225
      @izzyisbored3225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Honestly if this was produced as a series 12 episode it would be acclaimed but because it’s in an incredible series with no bad episodes it’ falls a little short against them

    • @PlanetNateGaming
      @PlanetNateGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      At the time it aired I considered these 2 of the best series 4 episodes just for the inclusion of Sontarans, but as Harbo says the plot kinda suffers in pacing, it focusses more on the pollution threat than it does gun toting baked potatoes,

    • @applecoreeater
      @applecoreeater 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I love how even the worst episodes in season 4 are still better written and more interesting than any episode in Chibnall's run.

    • @joelkanamuli227
      @joelkanamuli227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ive always thought that wasp/agatha christie episode was the worst of series 4

  • @Squantle
    @Squantle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    That final Rattagan line “Sontar... Ha!” makes me laugh every time. It’s supposed to be badass but it just comes off as super goofy.

    • @tinykemper2561
      @tinykemper2561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Not to mention he says "Sontaran-ha!" as apposed to Sonta-ha.

    • @fromthethirdplanet
      @fromthethirdplanet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sonta - Ha!

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tinykemper2561 Does he? I've never noticed that.

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Who told you it was supposed to be badass? I've always interpretated it as a bit of ironic humour, with a chant of Sontaran pride being said right before they get blown up. There's literally no indication that it was "supposed to be badass".

    • @castor9907
      @castor9907 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's not really supposed to be badass, it's him flipping their war cry back around on them and having it be the thing that happens right before they're obliterated

  • @professordynamo4031
    @professordynamo4031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    you know, one day I hope we have an actual story which features a baked potato so we can get a reverse sontarans look like a potato joke

    • @Tulf42
      @Tulf42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Maybe we'll even get a story with pale pink weasel aliens that say tanned humans look like baked potatoes as a vice versa to the Sontaran's visual perception of humans.

  • @smorgasbord9940
    @smorgasbord9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    “I can’t believe he doesn’t pay for basically killing the best companion.”
    Racks shotgun*
    “Oh believe me he will.”

  • @smorgasbord9940
    @smorgasbord9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    Plot twist: The doctors regeneration at the End of Time Part 2 was so powerful, it caused Russel T Davies to regenerate into Steven Moffar.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No, he is just a crybaby.

    • @bertmchaggis
      @bertmchaggis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree, this is now canon

    • @JyujinPlus
      @JyujinPlus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And then traveled back in time to 2006 and 2008 to write Girl in the Fireplace and Silence in the Library respectively

    • @bertmchaggis
      @bertmchaggis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JyujinPlus yes

    • @uklie01
      @uklie01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mayotango1317 Definitely not

  • @spartanneo1680
    @spartanneo1680 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    The two Marthas scene is almost like an early version of The Rebel Flesh

    • @TheElectricitychick
      @TheElectricitychick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I recently rewatched and thought the exact same thing!

  • @GeorgeMarionerd
    @GeorgeMarionerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    He's not the guy from Lucifer, he's the guy from Miranda.
    Ya'll are clearly uncultured.

    • @I_Stole_Your_Toast
      @I_Stole_Your_Toast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      OH MY GOD I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER LIKE ME. I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE

    • @rosellastar468
      @rosellastar468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yes someone mentioned it, he’s Gary from Miranda guys,

    • @I_Stole_Your_Toast
      @I_Stole_Your_Toast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rosellastar468 yes he is!

    • @Neil070
      @Neil070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No one picked up on Grumio from Plebs (Ryan Sampson)? Must be the wig and the gurning....

  • @randomericthings7506
    @randomericthings7506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I didn’t know “Daleks in Manhattan”, “Evolution of the Daleks”, “The Sontaran Stratagem”, “The Poison Sky”, “The Doctor’s Daughter”, and “The Unicorn and the Wasp” were hated by the fandom. I always enjoyed all of those episodes.
    “The Doctor‘s Daughter” was an especially interesting episode.
    Also the old who done it mystery in “Unicorn and the Wasp” is always fun to rewatch.

    • @RealBadGaming52
      @RealBadGaming52 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      their all my favourite episodes from series 3 and 4

    • @plantainsame2049
      @plantainsame2049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Take out evolution of the darlex And you'll get some of my favorite episodes to rewatch The pig people freaked me out when I was younger

    • @yarraidalg
      @yarraidalg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      tbh the fandom pretty much hates everything except heaven sent

    • @thebettertee
      @thebettertee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i adore fear her and sometimes i think i’m the only one in this fandom who does

    • @Matheus-ki9zo
      @Matheus-ki9zo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The "herd of sheep" of fandoms are always the worst things about these shows

  • @jeromeharrson5205
    @jeromeharrson5205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Idk if I can back saying Martha is "just a medic" cos despite medics having the training to save lives, they're soldiers first and foremost

    • @zeallust8542
      @zeallust8542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Theyre soldiers, yes, but they arent in as much direct combat.

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is for normal soldiers, maybe UNIT work differently.

  • @jdg9825
    @jdg9825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    me to me before watching: how could harbo possibly go on about this mediocrely-remembered story for almost 40 minutes straight?
    martha: *appears*
    me: ah, right.

  • @UgandanPrinc3
    @UgandanPrinc3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Not a single “Are you my Mummy?” joke huh?

  • @mjh-xp2ez
    @mjh-xp2ez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    the fact that this is the worst of the season shows how strong the season is

    • @joelkanamuli227
      @joelkanamuli227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Ill always say that wasp/agatha christie episode is the worst of series 4

    • @mjh-xp2ez
      @mjh-xp2ez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@joelkanamuli227 i agree i acc love this episdode and the agatha christie is defo the last one id choose to rewatch

    • @joelkanamuli227
      @joelkanamuli227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mjh-xp2ez 100%

    • @zeallust8542
      @zeallust8542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joelkanamuli227 idk why that episode is so lame but it is

    • @joelkanamuli227
      @joelkanamuli227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zeallust8542 it didnt belong in series 4 at all lol it was more of a series 2 type episode this specific episode would of suited doctor/rose well more then a doctor/donna if you get me

  • @Ben-vf5gk
    @Ben-vf5gk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    0:57 A reason I laugh when people say the fandom only became toxic after Whittaker was cast.

    • @AkumaKristian
      @AkumaKristian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Sadly if it's popular enough, it has those kind of fans.
      Makes me wonder how many people have turned down big roles just to save themselves the hassle.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you like The Timeless Children?

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mayotango1317 No one said that. Disliking the direction the show is going (I myself really hate the timeless children storyline and much of Chibnall's run) is not the same thing as throwing a fit and harassing the people who worked on it. It's okay to express dislike, but people should be mindful how they do it. Doctor Who fans aren't entitled to have their every whim catered to.

    • @Sophie-ni8qm
      @Sophie-ni8qm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AkumaKristian yhh but I feel like too many people blame jodie. It's not rly her fault cuz she's literally just reading off chibnalls script. People judge her too fast before watching her other works such as broadchurch, which she was absolutely amazing in (David tennant also stars in it!!)

  • @rkah6187
    @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Finally, someone else appreciating Ross. It doesn't happen very often in Doctor Who that you care about a one-off character like him. Ross and the 'space pig' from season 1 will be forever in my heart.

  • @crazypomp927
    @crazypomp927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    This is one of those Doctor Who stories best described as "perfectly fine." Nothing special but enjoyable with no horrible, story-breaking flaws. A perfectly fine episode.

  • @Venemofthe888
    @Venemofthe888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The Sontaran's were a nice return from a classic monster. Like you could say its one of the top 4 known classic who monsters alongside the Daleks, Cybermen and Ice Warriors. I do think they needed a return but perhaps with a little more oomph to them and it was a bit of a weak return. Theres also a Sarah Jane Adventures episode that follows on from this two parter which is a fun episode giving the sontarans a little more of a threat although not for too long.
    Anyways I really like Donna in this episode and how she is portrayed. A smart lady who looks in the places you wouldnt expect to find anything like sick days. I also do like her and Martha although there isnt too much to it. Its also a nice line about turning Martha into a soldier and at the end of the series a character mentions everyone The Doctor has his humans (Spoiler).
    The clone was quite cool looking and very alien before becoming Martha clone. I also didnt realise how many references to older doctor episodes there were and heres another one to when he was in UNIT, The Empty Child reference and the Valiant from series 3. These little references really did make the Whoniverse really connected with each other something thats been lost nowadays.

  • @thecelestialtoygazer7816
    @thecelestialtoygazer7816 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel like Rattigan's sacrifice isn't an act of redemption, he just wanted to get the last laugh over the Sontarans, since they hurt his fragile ego by betraying him

  • @cardsfanboy
    @cardsfanboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I do not understand people not liking this episode, it's on the top half of episodes, and as the video shows, it's a great reintroduction of a classic Who villian. There are a few weak things with it, but for the most part, it's a pretty good episode. Season four is probably one of the strongest seasons of New Who (and what I consider to be the weak episodes--- Midnight and The Unicorn and the Wasp-- are actually pretty well liked (well at least Midnight is)) I don't think there is an actual not very good episode in the entire season. With pretty much every other season you can find one episode that isn't 'good'.. but when the worst episode of your season is the Unicorn and the Wasp, that is a pretty decent bar.

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed, season four is a solid one, one of the best, really. Although I personally adore both 'Midnight' and 'The Unicorn and the Wasp', so I disagree with you here. The one I don't like much is "Turn Left' because that beetle just looks fucking stupid.

  • @Ben-vf5gk
    @Ben-vf5gk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    13:59 Between this and the conversation Jack had with Gwen in Torchwood S2 about being traumatised by seeing the "end of the world", it's interesting that for a finale that had one of the biggest deus ex machinas it had it's effects felt the most by the characters

  • @Ben-vf5gk
    @Ben-vf5gk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Why have we never had a Sontarans vs Rutans story? Closest that I know of is an Adventure Game

    • @connoraltier7081
      @connoraltier7081 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Rutans only ever even showed up once in the tv series no less, which is a shame- they're pretty cool villains who could easily return

  • @lucypreece7581
    @lucypreece7581 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    in the Davies era I tended to feel that the first two parters of a series were the weaker ones. The Slitheen, Cyberman and Dalek two parters from series 1, 2 and 3 were decent, solid, passable but kind of average and not great. This is the first series where I like the first 2 parter story in the series. Its I solid, engaging, interesting, I like Martha so it is great to see her back and an interesting and engaging story that I want to keep watching. I genuinely like this story. Series 4 has maybe 1 weaker episode in the whole series. everything is brilliant. Catherine Tate and David Tennant are a magnetic pairing. I genuinely, truly and unironically love this two parter. Series 4 is a gem of a series. It sparkles.

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I know, right? Series 4 is almost a perfect season with really solid episodes throughout. Which one would you say is the weaker one do you think? (Though, judging by what I've seen, I may have an idea).

    • @BambiTrout
      @BambiTrout 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The first two-parter in RTD's era was always the bombastic, action-packed two-parter set on Earth that concluded the first part of the season. Both this and Aliens of London are the companion's first trip back home. Rise of the Cybermen saw Mickey leave, and Evolution of the Daleks was the final journey on Martha's "one trip". It's a fun romp that cements the relationship between the Doctor and his companion.
      The second two-parter on the other hand is the darker, more horror/drama oriented episode which explores much deeper themes, and excluding The Empty Child, usually has a much more bittersweet ending, (half the crew and all the Ood dead, John Smith's identity death and the Family of Blood trapped in twisted punishments for all eternity, River dying and Donna thinking that her husband was simply a construct). It's an emotional gut-punch that lays the character groundwork in preparation for the finale (Capt. Jack's arrival, "She will die in battle", Martha saving the day on her own without The Doctor, Donna forgetting who she is and her adventures with The Doctor).
      The finale is the finale so it usually falls between the two, with the bombast and explosions of the first part, and the emotional gut punches of the second.
      The second two-parters have always been my favourites because they're just so well made and so emotionally intense, but for the same reason it can be difficult to watch them too frequently! The first two-parter I don't get as engrossed, but I can enjoy at any time with some popcorn. I do agree that this is probably the best first two-parter. I can't choose between The Impossible Planet, The Family of Blood, or Silence in the Library for the second two-parter, because they are all stellar in different ways. The Empty Child is still great but for me it's not quite on the same level. I refuse to choose a finale!

    • @lucypreece7581
      @lucypreece7581 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BambiTrout thats why i like the second 2 parters usually. They are darker and sometimes pull from horror conventions and are usually works of art.

  • @outcastjack
    @outcastjack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Just realised that the ending of the timeless child with ko sharmus is the same as the ending of this pretty much. Not sure how i feel about that tho.

    • @mel-burnes
      @mel-burnes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      doctor really should stop the whole 'i can't commit genocide, but this person can, so i'll just go save my arse ig' shebang

    • @rollingkirby
      @rollingkirby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ah yes another thing chibnall copied from previous eras

    • @MigoLinden
      @MigoLinden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      However here it wasn't Ten's decision, it was Luke Rattigan in the last sec switching places. Whereas in Timeless Child it was the Doctor deciding to swap places which gives a whole different meaning to the timelord's character.

    • @larsswig912
      @larsswig912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MigoLinden so, 13 is an аsshole.

    • @whereverover
      @whereverover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no, it's not. the doctor didn't agree to the boy saving him, it was done against his will. 13th on the other hand was like - yeah, ok, die instead of me, thanks. bye! 10th would have never done anything like that

  • @max12421
    @max12421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This is my favourite Sontaran story as I always felt the classic ones were a bit weak

  • @Domisbeast
    @Domisbeast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Me and my sister always act along to the SONTAR-HA! part
    Also we love the Tommy Zoom cameo

  • @danm3882
    @danm3882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    R. I. P. Ross Jenkins

  • @fadikhoory5350
    @fadikhoory5350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I hate how RTD gave them catchphrases. They're gonna come back in S13 and I prefer this over Strax. If I have a sat-nav in my car, I'd pack a brick so I'd be able to smash the window and swim out(unless the Atmos company stole Miss Opener nurse's window protector). I flippin' hate the UNIT Dating Controversy.

  • @user-is7xs1mr9y
    @user-is7xs1mr9y 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Martha and Donna are my two favorite companions (it's a tie), so I naturally love this two-parter. I go full fan-girl whenever I rewatch it. Oh, and I love Wilfred too, my heart melts whenever he's on screen.

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Oh wow, idk if you talked about it in your Evolution of the Daleks review because I hadn't watched that one, but that's so heartbreaking...that Helen Raynor was bullied so much for the story it drove her to tears. Good Lord, shows that even before Twitter and shit fandoms could be cruel. I can't blame her for her initial reluctance, and I'm sure it didn't help that fans went on to consider the Sontaran two-parter one of the weaker parts of Series 4.
    I'll say this wasn't one of my favorite episodes from the series but it's still really solid. I really liked Martha's return and how concerned the Doctor was about her & Donna fighting, obviously reminded of how Rose & Sarah Jane's introduction originally went down. And Martha's warning to Donna about what happened to her family felt very cryptic and honestly heartbreaking, since she's one of the only companions who left on her own accord during New Who so it was interesting to see her warning Donna of the potential consequences that can come from associating with him. Only of course to end up thrown back into otherworldly danger and adventure against her wishes when the TARDIS whisks the trio away to join the plot of The Doctor's Daughter.😆 (Also I love the way she says "Doctor, it's Martha, and I'm bringing you back to Earth," before the opening credits. The smile, the emphasis on "back;" it packs *such* a satisfying punch).

  • @toast99bubbles
    @toast99bubbles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think it was a squash ball that the Doctor used against Stal, rather than a tennis ball. At least based on the size and texture that we can see of it.

  • @DanTheMan2150AD
    @DanTheMan2150AD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The Sontarans have always been woefully underused in Doctor Who, 4 Classic stories all with varying degrees of quality. This was one of the few times they felt like full on threats despite their more cat and mouse like behaviour. It’s a shame that once Strax appeared it became incredibly hard to take them seriously again.

    • @nathanielfarkas746
      @nathanielfarkas746 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please Chibnall u have done good with the Cybermen the Daleks and the master hopefully he can do good with the Sontarans

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nathanielfarkas746 Yeah, like turn the Doctor into a God from another universe.

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nathanielfarkas746 Oh no, please don't, Chibnall don't touch the Sontarans, I SAID BACK AWAY FROM THE SONTARANS

  • @joshsylvester1450
    @joshsylvester1450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Saying Ross was the best companion is Wilf erasure and I won’t have it. Also anybody else think Sylvia might be the worst ‘good’ character of the Davies era?

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, Sylvia is a worst character. A Jackie clone.

    • @aziza1707
      @aziza1707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mayotango1317 how dare u compare the great jackie to sylvia apologise now !!!!

    • @joelkanamuli227
      @joelkanamuli227 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mayotango1317 yeah apologise 😤😤 jackie slander will not be tolerated

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aziza1707 Why not? Both are mothers who hate the Doctor.

  • @franl155
    @franl155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I can't believe you left out the Empty Child call-hack!

  • @gelusvenn5063
    @gelusvenn5063 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think that Ratigan's sacrifice was an attempt to redeem the character. He did what he did out of *Spite* and it's the single most in-character moment he has even beyond his meltdown. He has nothing left and he views the jacketed potatoes as having taken it from him, so he wanted to get revenge. He may have presented it as redemption [though I can't remember if he even did that] but really it was just a 'screw you, you've ruined everything!' to them.

  • @thehaymaker3660
    @thehaymaker3660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's not a bad story, it just should of been one episode. It's not interesting enough to be a two-parter.

  • @FTZPLTC
    @FTZPLTC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is Strax a Moffat creation? Because I feel like he has all the hallmarks.
    "What if there was this one Sontaran who wasn't a soldier, but still talked in a soldiery way?"
    "Ha, that sounds fun. So he'll contrast with the other Sontarans in the show!"
    "Uh... sure, if we ever use them again. Which we probably won't."

  • @JyujinPlus
    @JyujinPlus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I would’ve so easily watched an entire series of Wilf as the Doctor’s main companion. He’s so giddy about space travel and aliens that he’s like a little kid when he sees the things The Doctor shows him, which contrasts brilliantly with his history as a soldier in WWII as its alluded to in Turn Left and End of Time. Showing that one of the oldest companions who’s seen the most war and tragedy is still one of the most childlike companions just knowing that he gets to meet an alien.
    Something that, now that I describe it outright, is very fitting to a lot of what Matt Smith’s Doctor is like in Series 5 and 6. Returning to being whimsical and childish because that’s part of the magic of The Doctor.
    I know it’ll never happen, but I’d really be happy if we get to see Wilf again. Even if it’s just a Big Finish audio.

    • @izzisart
      @izzisart 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, we needed at least an episode where Wilf went travelling with the Doctor.

  • @isaacsmart1288
    @isaacsmart1288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Always loved this one, especially Martha's return although I wish there was a scene where Martha stodgy up to the doctor for treating her poorly . Thought the sontarans where great villains too . I liked delving into Donna's family and the plan the sontarans conducted .
    Rating: 8/10 overall .
    A tier overall .

  • @misanthropicvampire
    @misanthropicvampire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I actually find Rattigan an at least slightly sympathetic character. He's clearly incredibly naive and desperate to be truly a part of a community, even siding with the Sontarans in order to achieve this. When he's on the teleport floor crying after being betrayed by the Sontarans, I felt really bad for him

  • @gooseincrocs
    @gooseincrocs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    (justice for ross) when i was younger i never realised how good this episode was with the humour, emotional scenes, dynamics between donna and martha, the reintroduction of unit, sontarans and the iconic joke ‘in-truder window’

  • @daphnebanks6493
    @daphnebanks6493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Staal-the-not-so-undefeated-anymore-but-never-mind!
    Love it! LOVE IT!

  • @robthetindog8218
    @robthetindog8218 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I just love how at the end, when the Doctor gets sent back through the transporter, His past & present companions act so in character ie. Martha grabs his arm & cuddles up to him; while Donna smacks him on the arm before sitting down next to him.
    I like these episodes & would definitely rank them higher; at least a solid B.

  • @jonathanskinner7647
    @jonathanskinner7647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "One of the weaker episodes of series 4" so what? A 7 or 8 out of ten

  • @danm3882
    @danm3882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I absolutely love the fact your videos are nearly as long as some Doctor Who episodes! 👏

  • @Finn_01
    @Finn_01 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With regard to the Doctor recommending Martha for UNIT (mentioned at 7:17, 7:28) while detesting it in this episode - he probably did it at a later point in his personal timeline. (“You were just talking to me. I know. I’m a time traveler, figure it out.”)

  • @Jaeden_Phoenix
    @Jaeden_Phoenix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is actually my favourite story from Season 4!

    • @garylouk8776
      @garylouk8776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Loads of people dislike it but it’s really really good

  • @GeorgeTheDinoGuy
    @GeorgeTheDinoGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The classic Sontarans are way better in my opinion, they come off as more of a threat and the world building is amazing. It’s still wonderful to see them in the modern series and I hope we see them in series 13.

    • @Petit784
      @Petit784 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you not seen the set photos?

  • @RoboDoesEdits
    @RoboDoesEdits 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    people dont like this episode??? wtf?

    • @larsswig912
      @larsswig912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      don't be surprised. this fandom sucks lol

    • @WandG_Fan
      @WandG_Fan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@larsswig912 Here's the big question, which fanbase is the most toxic: Doctor Who or Star Wars?

    • @larsswig912
      @larsswig912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WandG_Fan I'm not in the star wars fandom, so I don't know to judge. I also haven't seen any interactions between star wars fans.
      so yeah, idk lol. what do you think?

  • @tinykemper2561
    @tinykemper2561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of my faverouite stories from this series. Then again, nearly all the stories are one of my faverouites of the series.

  • @orangepizzaparty688
    @orangepizzaparty688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I enjoyed the beginning
    Very accurate
    They’re pronounced sand ta run

  • @sidknoop6381
    @sidknoop6381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've never had a problem with Rattigan's sacrefice, it seems like something he'd do. Not to redeem himself, but out of spite/revenge. He just frames it like that to make himself look better.

  • @obiwankenobi687
    @obiwankenobi687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don’t get how people say this is the weakest of series 4 it’s brilliant. Doctors daughter is easily the weakest despite still being really good. There aren’t any bad series 4 episodes all the way up to the specials. Peak Doctor who

    • @erikalieben5476
      @erikalieben5476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely agree. This story is amazing and I loved the dynamic between 10 and Colonel Mace, in some ways it felt like 3 and the Brigadier. Doc’s Daughter was the only episode of S4 that I get a bit bored when rewatching but it’s still a decent ep from a pretty flawless season.

  • @McDonald_Mando
    @McDonald_Mando 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    To be honest I quite like these episodes as they’re just a fun (ish) story that I can just enjoy. It’s just an easy watch, even if they were not going for that and trying to do a high stakes drama, I just enjoy it.

  • @commander_doom453
    @commander_doom453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the 3 dislikes are from offended potatoes

  • @PlanetNateGaming
    @PlanetNateGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did harbo just change the video title from "Possibly the best Sontaran episode" or something like that to "When Doctor Who Fought Baked Potatoes To Stop Pollution".... best title change i've ever seen

    • @HarboWholmes
      @HarboWholmes  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It basically had this title to begin with, then I changed it because it was underperforming, then that didn't fix it so I just changed it back again lol

  • @tardisglitch547
    @tardisglitch547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They're used beautifully in big finish I think and show they're real power, like they had a story with their weapons taken from them and they still destroyed the rutans with their hands.

  • @mattevans4377
    @mattevans4377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like to think when the sky burned, it was an endothermic reaction, which would have cooled things down, instead of heating things up.

  • @thomasjohnson8391
    @thomasjohnson8391 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had the figure of the sontaran trooper and had the sontaran ship card from the battle’s in time. And next is the doctors daughter. And when’s the next torchwood episode review? Also on of them survives in the Sarah Jane adventures episode the last sontaran.

  • @Zach90888
    @Zach90888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy needs to stop dropping massive torchwood spoilers in his reviews

    • @BambiTrout
      @BambiTrout 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Get watching Torchwood then! It's a great spin-off, if a little inconsistent and overly edgy at times. Miracle Day was questionable though. I think it would have been great as a stand-alone sci-fi show, because it is well written, well acted, and asks a lot of deep and interesting questions, but it completely fucks the continuity of the Whoniverse, and does some seriously questionable things with the lore.

    • @stephjovi
      @stephjovi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah it's only been 13 years spoilers aren't allowed until idk 20 years after the episode aired?

    • @Zach90888
      @Zach90888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephjovi I understand your point

  • @meganrobinson9867
    @meganrobinson9867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the interpretation that it was actually Harriet Jones that got Martha the job at UNIT

  • @cdle007
    @cdle007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never saw Strax as a detriment to Sontarans. I look at him as an individual. That is like saying that Silurians are sword fighting leabians who get together with humans because of the actions of one Silurian.

  • @Renegade2786
    @Renegade2786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rattagen is a "stable genius"
    Sorry, but I had to post that comment.

  • @DigitalVanquish
    @DigitalVanquish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How The Doctor resolves the atmosphere issue is certainly anti-climactic, but I think it was a good call to have Luke decide to sacrifice himself. Even having spent only moments with The Doctor, he finally did something good with his life. The Doctor allowed him to be the best version of himself. It was also somewhat of a surprise. Given these points, it didn't feel anti-climactic, but poetic instead. Furthermore, it adds another sacrifice that The Doctor can count in the series finale.
    This sacrifice is completely different to the one in series 12...The Doctor doesn't decide to allow the sacrifice to happen - Luke did. As always, context matters.

  • @tardisnet9487
    @tardisnet9487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've never like the RTD version of UNIT. The Doctor has always had conflict with UNIT but always trusted and valued them, turning them into a generic military organisation that's rather untrustworthy was a bad idea in my opinion and doesn't feel like UNIT

  • @wayneigoe6722
    @wayneigoe6722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Call me crazy, but am I the only one who wants to see an all-out war between Shield and Unit (Including the Valiant and the Helicarrier dogfighting in the skies)? Anyone else?

  • @colinp2238
    @colinp2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harbo, as you are such a stickler for accuracy, let me correct your comment of Doctor in the Jeep, the Jeep is an American all purpose vehicle but the British version is the Land Rover, and that was the make of vehicle that the Doctor and UNIT were using.

  • @obsessiveoverthinker5937
    @obsessiveoverthinker5937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Helen Raynor may not have been the best writer but she was the best Davies era writer to produce the doctor moments we all love. The moment when the plan is unveiled and the doctor knows just what to do. She was really great at making the doctor intelligent but not patronizing towards the audience.

  • @persines728
    @persines728 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wait isn't it U.I.T now (Unified Intelligence Taskforce)
    as appose to U.N.I.T (United Nations Intelligence Taskforce)

  • @FACTS_DO_NOT_HAVE_FEELINGS
    @FACTS_DO_NOT_HAVE_FEELINGS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Umm...Wilf didn't bumble into the glass case in the finale, you clearly see him releasing a person who was trapped by opening the door for the young man...cause that is what companions do.

  • @parodysam
    @parodysam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are no weak episodes in series 4

  • @tiberiuscodius5828
    @tiberiuscodius5828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wait people don't like this story? I absolutely love it!

  • @thatguythen
    @thatguythen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So glad you did both parts in one go, dont think I could wait a whole week for it!

  • @LCBK
    @LCBK 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does the doctor still have Martha’s phone, or did it get destroyed when 10 blew his tardis up

  • @VocaLABProductions
    @VocaLABProductions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We LOVE your content!

  • @adamarycurtis7016
    @adamarycurtis7016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't the actor who played Wilf also in one of the Cushing Dr Who movies?

    • @Neil070
      @Neil070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, he played the policeman who gets "kidnapped" by the Doctor

  • @LadyTsunade777
    @LadyTsunade777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:05 I believe the term you're looking for there is "uncanny valley" - something that is very close to what we know as normal and take for granted, yet is _just wrong enough_ to tip our instincts as it being wrong or unnatural without being immediately identifiable as such to our thinking minds. It's when you go "there's something _wrong_ here, something creepy, but I can't quite put my finger on it."

  • @amyshaw893
    @amyshaw893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know how the sonrarans were actually filmed? Did they just get a lot of short people? It seems too good to be vfx

  • @alfiethomas5632
    @alfiethomas5632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Question is, will Chibnall somehow find a way to make them worse in Series 13?

  • @robland3253
    @robland3253 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    killing the sontarns is hardly that big a deal, it is a military warship that refused to surrender during a conflict

  • @experi-mentalproductions5358
    @experi-mentalproductions5358 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    16:51 - David's got a filling in the same tooth I do.
    (although mine's only silver, his is gold, rich bugger...)

  • @danm3882
    @danm3882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can’t believe Grumio from Plebs is so clever!

  • @spencerfalzy
    @spencerfalzy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Martha never shut up about being in love with the doctor lol, made me uncomfortable

  • @cynicalwho4039
    @cynicalwho4039 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know what will make a good title!

  • @guesswho2778
    @guesswho2778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ive just realized that rattagan is basically just elon musk tantrum and all

  • @user-jn1wm3tb8v
    @user-jn1wm3tb8v 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This reminds me of an argument I had a few months ago. Someone thought Torchwood and UNIT should merge, just call themself Torchwood and use all of UNIT's tech without any of the staff. I didn't agree because they fulfill very different roles and allegiances. He ignored my argument and then went to say The Doctor shouldn't be a woman because it would be "weird". He thought they should at least make her fall in love with a man as a "role model for young girls". So uh moral of the story don't listen to people who want to get rid of the decades of UNIT's history to help viewer confusion.

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ugh, being role model for girls by falling in love with a man? Of course, because women only have value in association to men. *eyeroll*

    • @user-jn1wm3tb8v
      @user-jn1wm3tb8v 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rkah6187 Literally that was near exactly what a friend of mine said. Then my friends left and I continued bickering with him until he left.

  • @greghawkins59
    @greghawkins59 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not sure how you'd resolve a cliffhanger slowly

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Doctor? It’s Martha. I’m bringing you back to Earth.”
    How it should have ended: Doctor, “Nope, you wanted out. So BYE!”
    And then UNIT actually solved it on their own. The end.

  • @keren.b_9642
    @keren.b_9642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i liked ross ross was great ross was cute

  • @anarchicpancake2840
    @anarchicpancake2840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brigader did commit genocide but it kinda was the only choice

  • @markmellor4822
    @markmellor4822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m so tired I genuinely thought this was a video about alien flying potatoes

  • @evancunningham
    @evancunningham 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I Rewatched Partners In Crime A Few Months Ago And Noticed That, On A Few Of The Cars, You Can Actually See The Atmos Stickers!!