So... an earlier draft of this script had my overall thoughts on the trailer, but I ended up cutting it out. However, I accidently left it in the subtitles, and people found it. They seemed to enjoy reading it, so I'm posting it here for you to read if you want! **** I’m really excited to fight these bosses! Outside of the lore, the boss fights are probably my favorite part of Hollow Knight. We’re actually up to about fifteen revealed bosses for Silksong already. Moss Mother, Bell Beast, Trobbio, Scarface, Lace, Camelita, Seth, Sharpe and his buddies, Last Judge, Golem thing, two members from the band Devo, Hideous Vine Hag, American guy, Wears a skull on his head guy, and the Scholarly Suite. And I’m hoping there’s plenty more bosses we haven’t seen yet. And obviously, the areas look incredible. You have no idea how badly I want to play through that clocktower level. Seriously, it’s killing me. That said, one criticism I’ve seen of Hollow Knight is how samey some areas look. And Silksong kinda falls into that same category. It’s hard to know what areas I’m even looking at when I do these analyses. But that more muted palette is a deliberate choice from Team Cherry, and I do think it helps keep the world feeling more grounded. But I will be curious to see what more casual people have to say once the game launches. I think the biggest improvement here over Hollow Knight has to be the platforming. It looks so fun and engaging. As much as I love Hollow Knight, its platforming is a bit limited, mainly due to so much of the world being accessible with very few movement options. Hornet is more agile out the gate, so Team Cherry should be able to push the envelope a lot more in that regard. So much of the lore is still shrouded in mystery. I feel like this time around we got to see a much better look at how silk is really screwing things up in Pharloom. It’s getting everywhere, it seems to be what’s responsible for whatever is plaguing this bug. So that’s nice, but we didn’t really learn anything more about the song aspect of Silksong. And we still don’t really know what’s going on with these white flowers and bugs. So looks like there’s still plenty of lore to uncover about this game. I haven’t mentioned the music in the trailer at all. And that’s because you should know by now that the music is just fantastic as always. It sounds like a frantic battle theme, maybe a generic boss encounter song. I honestly have no idea, so we’ll have to just wait and see.
I like the idea of SS having more scripted spectacle moments, like the lava climb scene or the one where Hornet stabs that guy. Moments like those are designed to be awesome so it’s great that we’re seeing a lot of them.
I think the song aspect might come from Hornet playing music on her needle like a harp, maybe it connects into the story somehow, like playing a special song to calm down whatever hk/radiant equivalent is causing all the problems in pharloom
I can't wait to watch this after silksong releases and see how wrong/right all the speculation videos were. That on it's own seems like a fun video idea
In a interview with a Japanese interviewer Ari said:"We love making the game, even more than giving the game to players". They love making the game so much, they refuse to give it ti the players.
17:17 To me this looks more like the elevator is crashing down, because there's a lot of dust in the air and it is going down pretty fast, and Hornet is in a tense stance like she's bracing herself.
I can't remember if this sort of thing was even mentioned by Team Cherry, but I really like the way playstyle differences manifest between the Knight and Hornet. The Knight is an empty vessel, and that manifests with a simple playstyle (this probably wasn't originally done for such a reason, but It really does fit well), but it also can wield the Void, and is somewhat of an eldritch horror in the world of Hallownest, having it make sense to have infinite and often automatic charm usage. Hornet on the other hand, is a fighter, who's spent a long amount of time battling other bugs, she has a complex playstyle. But she also isn't a 'God of Gods' like the Knight becomes, so she has to use small bits and ends in order to use her skills and items. Once again, Team Cherry proves themselves masters of their craft.
@@serraramayfield9230 but...they are tho? They're the kids of PK and WL, both higher beings, and are partially made of void, increasing their power even more. By all accounts, they are higher beings.
@@libby_lue Except HB status isn't genetic (shown by the Mosskin who are made by Unn, and Moths who are made by the Radiance), "half-HBs" don't exist (you can't be "halfway above all others") and Void in its base state isn't considered an HB either).
@@serraramayfield9230 The mosskin and moths are quite a bit different though, they're more "creations", they were dreamed up with a fraction of a fraction of a higher beings power. The vessels are sort of creations, being filled with void and all that, but they are, first and foremost, the ACTUAL NON METAPHORICAL CHILDREN of 2 higher beings, with actual eggs involved and all that. Also Idk what the second part of your response has anything to do with what I was saying lol. Also also, though I'm more on your side, as it's more of a force of nature then a creature, I do think it's possible the void was a sort of higher being. It was worshipped, after all.
I am still grateful to you for the fact that every video has subtitles. As a person from another country, it is very nice to see this. Besides, your work has been done incredible! Thank you for this
All jokes, theories, and analysis aside, Team Cherry has put in so much effort to this project. The fact they are actually attempting to give us a game that can possibly be another favorite up there with the original, while being drastically different mechanics, says a lot about these guys.
True, but I just hope they learn to finish it someday. It is very easy to fall into the trap of adding more and more stuff into a game. Which is fine, but it runs the risk of killing hype and annoying fans.
I feel like the elevator bit is leading up to the top of the citadel but as soon as you make it to the top the elevator crashes back down and possibly forces you into another area similar to the gate closing in the city of tears
I realized that not only are silksong and hollow knight different narratively,but also by color choices while hollow knight has cool colors,being calmer and rounder,silksong has warmer colors,possibly saying something about how the danger has risen much more
I think I really like this change, if I had to find one "flaw" in Hollow Knight is it could be a bit.. emotionally draining at times, due to how lifeless it looked in general
It's also probably to differentiate the life of the kingdoms: Hallownest is dead and frozen in time, while Pharloom seems to be thriving and bustling with life. I can't wait to hear how Christopher Larkin puts his own spin on the life with music as well
Amazing video :D There are a few things I noticed that might be a bit interesting that you didn't cover: In the sixteenth shot, the tool that Hornet uses is the same tool she used to pogo in the first Silksong trailer. Given that here it's used in combat, I'm very excited to see the way TC has implemented more of these multi-use tools and how they might even be used in things like speedrunning and skips :o Also, in the eighteenth shot, I'm fairly certain that the bind animation has been made a bit longer than it was previously. I'm not 100% sure on this as a direct quote, but I'm fairly certain that I read TC increased the duration of the animation on purpose to try and add a bit more intent to the action - the previous time made healing a bit too easy and trivialised a lot of damage. Loved the video though, that catch on the scholarly suite members + the windmill was insane
@@mossbag69 I'm pretty certain it's based on the crest, since some crest require less silk to heal, maybe some crest will heal more than 3 masks but have increase duration. Something like that.
You know what? Team Cherry's silence for the most part has been a good thing. A lot of lore videos tend to grasp at straws and dig out unused assets from early dev to make their theories, and I'm sure a developer like Team Cherry would not want that, but only want players to piece together lore based on information that is available in the game and not some outdated thing they scrapped early on. I expect lore videos of SIlksong to be a lot tighter and more grounded in the in-game experience, which is what I personally prefer.
It's been terrible from what I've observed and was a bad thing for team cherry to do. The community turned into a poisonous toxic swamp. People were justifiably saying the HollowKnight fandom had become worse than the Undertale Fandom...
@@derpherp7432 that's not the dev's fault though, but yeah the community got annoying, I had to unsubscribe from r/hollowknight 6 months ago and have not thought about silksong at all since then, today I woke up to this new trailer and mossbag video, what a pleasant surprise for me hehe
No, (some of) the fans, went rabid. Team cherry's silence was a horrible way to keep fans interested. Some people legitimately thought team cherry stopped development because we had heard nothing for so long. We weren't after a release date. We after a comment, like "hey, yes we're still working on it, we don't have a release date yet, but we will let you all know when we have one. Just stick with us and silksong will be out." Dead silence for two years is not a good thing.
Being blunt, looking at this footage, Silksong absolutely has to be close to finish by this point. With how fluid and detailed a lot of it looks, TC has to be in the twilight stages of development and are likely putting final touches and cleaning up -bugs- glitches. And if nothing else, Xbox drawing a line in the sand is at least something. Latest will be Q1 2023. Putting that on the table. It might even come out earlier. It's possible a date wasn't in this trailer because of a deal TC may have with Nintendo (since it was slated for the Switch first), so either they'd announce it themselves, or would use Nintendo's (possibly?) upcoming event to announce the actual date. Only time will tell though. Maybe they'll push it as long as they can, but I imagine even they have to be getting sick of developing this game by this point. Five damned years. I can absolutely see them putting a line down themselves after so long.
Honestly looks to me like the reason it is taking so long is animation. It's all 2D and so much more complex than Hollow Knight was, like the fact that Hornet appears to have multiple attack styles you can choose between means it is just taking an eon to draw it all haha
@@eddysonortega6067 guaranteed under a year, that is true for all the Xbox games shown. I suspect either in November/ early December for Christmas, or February
I think it's interesting how the twenty-fifth shot (20:26) enemy has these huge claws from who you'd think you'd get that HUD with the claws, but Hornet already has them during the battle. So maybe this is a second stage fight to upgrade the fangs?
Could be how you get the triple needle tool? Or it could be a case where the enemy's "claws" are some kind of gauntlets, which you might be able to find a pair of beforehand if you look for them? Just theorising to be clear, but it would be pretty interesting. Like how you find the mantis claw right before you fight the boss(es) that cling to walls like it allows you to do.
Exactly what I thought when I saw them. Team Cherry said that they would make Silksong more its own thing so as to be able to attract more new players, but I’d be very surprised if they put no connections at all to the original hk.
20:26 If you look in the background, there are images of dead corpses that have been hanged and/or cut into pieces. This reminds me of the cannibalistic chef back in Hollow Knight, in the City of Tears. It might be a throwback to it while also making it a boss battle that could potentially be an option to fight. It seems the chef is trying to use Hornet as a stew or something, hence the spoon in their grip.
God, this video is making me appreciate the finer details in each area. The detailed, looming backgrounds with that parallax effect look FANTASTIC. My god. This art direction is _insane._
I personally don't think that the forest of bones is a firey area, I think the firey region is specifically deep docks. Team cherry usually refrains from having two areas be too similar in terms of theming. Hollow Knight, and presumably silksong, have very distinct color schemes for each region. Moss Grotto is a lush, bright green, and deep docks is a bright orange; my hypothesis is that Forest of Bones is more of a literal forest, the area with an olive green color palette that we've seen a lot, in between the two. I think it's likely that the ants live in the forest of bones given their bone architecture, and many of the shots we see ants in have that same olive green hue. For example 14:19 and a few more in the first trailer like shown at 6:00 in this video. I do think it's possible the lower forest of bones has lava, but I think it's not necessarily that the forest of bones must be a firey area just because that's how it was when it was cut from hollow knight.
@@jlin592 That's possible, but even with those very similar areas Team Cherry did a lot in terms of artwork to distinguish them. Queen's gardens has bright green backgrounds, flowers, and ornate architecture, while Greenpath has darker greens, more moss & vines, and ancient-looking architecture. With Deep docks, the bone aspects and mechanical aspects are interwoven so frequently that I can't discern two separate areas, and I think team cherry would probably make them more easy to differentiate from one another. I could always be completely wrong though, and even if aren't similar areas I think Forest of Bones will definitely have some lava elements.
One thing I find interesting is how when hornet goes up the elevator, she is in her regular idle stance, but when she goes down, she is in the same animation as she is when she is defeated in hollow knight. Perhaps you have to escape from whatever area that is in a big chase sequence? Cool stuff.
That’s her stagger animation in this game, like the one the Knight does when a boss roars. It’s probably a scripted event where she goes up the elevator but it falls from under her and takes her to Deepnest 2 or something
I like how the areas are styled. There isn’t so much specific areas that are completely distinct from the adjacent ones, but they slowly blend in to each other while still standing out.
12:37 your discussion of the shape of these things finally made me realise what the bell creature reminds me of from the original game: it looks like the unknown "thing" that Ghost/Knight can't either dreamnail or interact with in any way. their heads have this very similar shape and amount of eye sockets, and if the previous phase of the creature was more larvae-like, one can imagine its body in silk being hang up to the ceiling in the same way as in Beast's Den. great job on the analysis, I was looking forward to your takes on the trailer!!
14:33 Small detail but I wanna appreciate how one of the enemies' droppings (shards) are floating on the water instead of sinking like in the original game. It also raised other questions if anyone wants to answer like is it only the gray shards that float? Do all water now makes items float besides the swamp-like water from this cut? Can Hornet eat the hot dog plant?
2:49 "They appear to be moss-like creatures suffering from male-pattern baldness" ngl I almost thought you were going to transition into a Keeps sponsor segment there Also it's really fascinating how people can turn like an 80-second trailer into a 22 minute long analysis video
Awesome analysis! I like that you went deeper into this. Can't wait for the game and I hope it will also release on PlayStation, the fact that it wasn't confirmed makes me slightly worried lol 12:06 maybe that's just me but noone is mentioning how this guy grabs another bug and attacks with him xd 17:19 isn't it falling though? It's pretty shaky
When discussing the area directly beneath another, with our piece of evidence being small pieces of the higher, larger thing falling from above, the fact you started playing the City Of Tears, an area with the exact same properties (but in city’s case, instead of pedals from a flower… forest? It being water from the blue lake) was really clever and cool if it was intentional. If you just played city’s theme because it’s beautiful, that’s fine too.
About the white flowers: They might be based on the Udumbara blossom. In Buddhism, they're said to be sacred flowers from heaven, They're exceedingly tiny and like to grow on metal surfaces, (we see them covering the metal pipe in the background of the Lace fight) they're really rare and are said to bloom every 3,000 years. Scientists aren't sure if it's not actually a type of moss, or fungus rather than a flower. I have no idea if the white flowers are actually based on Udumbara or what it means if they are, but I thought the similarities were interesting.
"Hey, has anyone seen Mossbag?" Team Cherry: "Hold on. We got this. AHEM. HEY GUYS! WE HAVE A NEW SILKSONG TRAILER!" Mossbag: *SLAMS THROUGH THE WALL LIKE THE KOOL-AID MAN*
Something I'd like to point out is that at the beginning of the tenth shot (9:38). Instead of looking like a bridge between two structures it looks more like the nave of a church. You can see what looks to be rows of pews and even a bug sitting in one on the left side. It would also semi explain why a figure (the vault keeper?) would be standing in the background as he'd be standing in the sanctuary/altar of the church.
Immediately thought of you when the new silksong trailer dropped. Was so excited 'cause I knew you would go crazy with an analysis video. We missed you moss!
Great video as always! I’m not sure if you noticed, but at 15:02 the enemy that Hornet kills seems to drop not only shell shards and rosaries, but also a gray, map-marker looking thing. This may be used to craft a new tool, or be a type of currency in a certain area, though I have no clue!
Oh i think thats just the bigger version of a rosarie thats worth 5 rosaries because if you pause exactly when she picks it up she gets 6 rosaries with the one rosarie
the scene of hornet stabbing a bug with a cloth over their head HAS to be a Dark Souls 3 reference. The sequence is IDENTICAL to the ashen one's wedding ceremony with Anri!!!
Kinda fun to have subtitles ON for the conclusion, getting to know your personal take on the trailer. It's like finding pieces of missing lore in a game. Nice video as always!
This video was great. Already deciphering core mechanics, speculating plot points, encountering lore details and of course, a classic James Cordon joke. Fantastic.
It's so nice to hear your voice and amazing deadpan jokes and insane analysis, you make such good content. I can't wait to play silksong and see how it augments the world and storytelling of hollow knight, as well as hear your theories and conclusions about the game when we know more.
I know it's just a trailer analysis video, but when he started playing the city of tears theme I got goosebumps. Can't wait to hear all of larkin's new music for silksong
Also, I'm pretty sure TC increased the time it takes to bind - and we can see that in 18th shot. I don't recall the exact words, but I think a playtester said it was because the previous cooldown let you heal way too often.
I get a feeling that Seth or however it’s spelt is gonna be how tiso would be if he was a fight and it makes me happy to think we’ll finally get to fight what he would’ve been!
Hopefully this gets read but I worked for EA in compliance and usually when a game gets submitted for rating it’s near the final stages of bug and polish
Im not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but I think its possible that spiders can weave soul into silk. That would explain the ability to sort of "control" the lower bugs with silk. It would also explain why silk comes off of enemies, and why hornet naturally makes the silk when she hits them. This ability may be something unique to pharloom? Or maybe we only see the silk coming off of enemies because we have the pov of hornet now. Maybe the knight didnt see the silk bc they just absorbed the soul directly due to being a void creature? Idk just a thought
This would also explain why hornet leaves a cocoon of silk upon death. She is restoring part of her own soul level. Where the knight has to retrieve their shade, which is the vessel they store soul from other bugs in. Though, i also think its possible that the bugs in the white hoods are actually not being controlled at all, but willing servants of however is "pulling the strings" so to speak.
Great to see Mossbag making videos in the after life. Even after being sacrificed he still with the HK community. But for real, I missed Mossbag, and is great seeing back with Silksong
At 19:57 in the video, Hornet is doing that attack where she swings silk around like crazy. It looks like the move cost 3 silk, but then slowly drains more silk as the attack continues. I am guessing that you will be able to keep doing this attack for as long as you have silk.
So... an earlier draft of this script had my overall thoughts on the trailer, but I ended up cutting it out. However, I accidently left it in the subtitles, and people found it. They seemed to enjoy reading it, so I'm posting it here for you to read if you want!
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I’m really excited to fight these bosses! Outside of the lore, the boss fights are probably my favorite part of Hollow Knight. We’re actually up to about fifteen revealed bosses for Silksong already. Moss Mother, Bell Beast, Trobbio, Scarface, Lace, Camelita, Seth, Sharpe and his buddies, Last Judge, Golem thing, two members from the band Devo, Hideous Vine Hag, American guy, Wears a skull on his head guy, and the Scholarly Suite. And I’m hoping there’s plenty more bosses we haven’t seen yet.
And obviously, the areas look incredible. You have no idea how badly I want to play through that clocktower level. Seriously, it’s killing me. That said, one criticism I’ve seen of Hollow Knight is how samey some areas look. And Silksong kinda falls into that same category. It’s hard to know what areas I’m even looking at when I do these analyses. But that more muted palette is a deliberate choice from Team Cherry, and I do think it helps keep the world feeling more grounded. But I will be curious to see what more casual people have to say once the game launches.
I think the biggest improvement here over Hollow Knight has to be the platforming. It looks so fun and engaging. As much as I love Hollow Knight, its platforming is a bit limited, mainly due to so much of the world being accessible with very few movement options. Hornet is more agile out the gate, so Team Cherry should be able to push the envelope a lot more in that regard.
So much of the lore is still shrouded in mystery. I feel like this time around we got to see a much better look at how silk is really screwing things up in Pharloom. It’s getting everywhere, it seems to be what’s responsible for whatever is plaguing this bug. So that’s nice, but we didn’t really learn anything more about the song aspect of Silksong. And we still don’t really know what’s going on with these white flowers and bugs. So looks like there’s still plenty of lore to uncover about this game.
I haven’t mentioned the music in the trailer at all. And that’s because you should know by now that the music is just fantastic as always. It sounds like a frantic battle theme, maybe a generic boss encounter song. I honestly have no idea, so we’ll have to just wait and see.
cool
Ty for posting this
I like the idea of SS having more scripted spectacle moments, like the lava climb scene or the one where Hornet stabs that guy. Moments like those are designed to be awesome so it’s great that we’re seeing a lot of them.
I think the song aspect might come from Hornet playing music on her needle like a harp, maybe it connects into the story somehow, like playing a special song to calm down whatever hk/radiant equivalent is causing all the problems in pharloom
why does seth sound like seath the scaleless from ds1
"And when the lore analysis was needed, he crawled out of the mossy grotto."
And this time without the fear of snipers and cultists trying to sacrifice him
"He climbed out of Deepnest."
@@azeria1 we let him live for now
I swear at least one of the enemies must be named mossbag
@@LepidopteranFool lmao
Heavy is the head that wears the lore crown!
cant wait to gladly watch this another 100 times before Silksongs release.
I can't wait to watch this after silksong releases and see how wrong/right all the speculation videos were. That on it's own seems like a fun video idea
@@bevanh.6068 I would love a stream on mixer of him going through his old Silksong videos😂
1000*
This is the way
Watching this 100 times would result in 1.5 days of your life spent on this video alone
A little over a minute trailer = 22 minute analysis. Love this channel
I said the same thing before u did...
@@baderhh9928 I actually said it before you tho
Honestly... when i first looked at the video duration i tought it was too short... no joke, i say it again, that was my first tought
@@niconicoknee-s4b nice bro
@@HoundNL I agree
In a interview with a Japanese interviewer Ari said:"We love making the game, even more than giving the game to players". They love making the game so much, they refuse to give it ti the players.
Where was that?
they are still hoarding it
“june 12th 2023” fools we are going insane
we have to stay strong
I shed a few tears ngl
we are the real fools of the collosium🎉
Ah, yes. That.
Bait used to be believable…
POGGIES WOGGIES
Very poggy woggy
No
Very poggers
No
ZAWOOGA!
17:17 To me this looks more like the elevator is crashing down, because there's a lot of dust in the air and it is going down pretty fast, and Hornet is in a tense stance like she's bracing herself.
Can't believe I missed that!
Windette liked that
It's Undertale all over again
@@mobgabriel1767 wdym
@mobgabriel1767 oh no he *loved* that
"This game will definitely come out in the next 12 months."
That aged well.
well, we got an age rating for it today, so it's totally coming out tomorrow
Aged like fine milk
Guys it HAS to come out soon like june!!! RIGHT?!!?
@@hollowshield2315 Said 9 days ago
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I can't remember if this sort of thing was even mentioned by Team Cherry, but I really like the way playstyle differences manifest between the Knight and Hornet. The Knight is an empty vessel, and that manifests with a simple playstyle (this probably wasn't originally done for such a reason, but It really does fit well), but it also can wield the Void, and is somewhat of an eldritch horror in the world of Hallownest, having it make sense to have infinite and often automatic charm usage. Hornet on the other hand, is a fighter, who's spent a long amount of time battling other bugs, she has a complex playstyle. But she also isn't a 'God of Gods' like the Knight becomes, so she has to use small bits and ends in order to use her skills and items. Once again, Team Cherry proves themselves masters of their craft.
Sometimes I forget we play as a literal god when I die to a primal aspid
@@tdoyr2119 Vessels aren't HBs
@@serraramayfield9230 but...they are tho? They're the kids of PK and WL, both higher beings, and are partially made of void, increasing their power even more. By all accounts, they are higher beings.
@@libby_lue Except HB status isn't genetic (shown by the Mosskin who are made by Unn, and Moths who are made by the Radiance), "half-HBs" don't exist (you can't be "halfway above all others") and Void in its base state isn't considered an HB either).
@@serraramayfield9230 The mosskin and moths are quite a bit different though, they're more "creations", they were dreamed up with a fraction of a fraction of a higher beings power. The vessels are sort of creations, being filled with void and all that, but they are, first and foremost, the ACTUAL NON METAPHORICAL CHILDREN of 2 higher beings, with actual eggs involved and all that. Also Idk what the second part of your response has anything to do with what I was saying lol.
Also also, though I'm more on your side, as it's more of a force of nature then a creature, I do think it's possible the void was a sort of higher being. It was worshipped, after all.
Me when silk song did not in fact, drop on June 12th 2023
And 6 months later is still to be anounced
And won't drop on june 12th 2024 neither, maybe june 12th 2025!
We might have news soon it seems
Hope you didn’t end up pulling an all-nighter finishing this. Looking forward to watching it!
He made a 22 min long video in 2 days of course he pulled off an all-nighter
@@Michael-xd8bc he was talking about how he may have had to in the discord so I was just wondering
He had an all-nighter looking at that a-
Eheh
hey Necro
@@ReeversUhHuh Eheh
hey Reevers
I am still grateful to you for the fact that every video has subtitles. As a person from another country, it is very nice to see this. Besides, your work has been done incredible! Thank you for this
Seriously, Subtitles are a godsend. I'm hard of hearing so it's always a pleasure to see.
@@TheAntlionGuard same.
Agreed. It helps so much with jokes and names. And is just great overall
@@pozatat Strange, everything works fine for me...
@@TheAntlionGuard same
All jokes, theories, and analysis aside, Team Cherry has put in so much effort to this project. The fact they are actually attempting to give us a game that can possibly be another favorite up there with the original, while being drastically different mechanics, says a lot about these guys.
True, but I just hope they learn to finish it someday. It is very easy to fall into the trap of adding more and more stuff into a game. Which is fine, but it runs the risk of killing hype and annoying fans.
“June 2023.” Who’s gonna tell him
I feel like the elevator bit is leading up to the top of the citadel but as soon as you make it to the top the elevator crashes back down and possibly forces you into another area similar to the gate closing in the city of tears
omg bendy and the ink machine chapter 3 reference
Celeste chapter 6 (?) vibes too
I realized that not only are silksong and hollow knight different narratively,but also by color choices
while hollow knight has cool colors,being calmer and rounder,silksong has warmer colors,possibly saying something about how the danger has risen much more
To me it represents how much more active the areas in Silksong are, while the areas in Hollow Knight were frozen in time.
I think I really like this change, if I had to find one "flaw" in Hollow Knight is it could be a bit.. emotionally draining at times, due to how lifeless it looked in general
It's also probably to differentiate the life of the kingdoms: Hallownest is dead and frozen in time, while Pharloom seems to be thriving and bustling with life. I can't wait to hear how Christopher Larkin puts his own spin on the life with music as well
@@truthwatcher2096 that was the point after all, you are exploring a Big forgotten kingdom with nothing but ruins
@@Fentanylexporter no, no, I get it, it's just that it gets a bit hard to keep playing sometimes
"only one year left"
"All that said, Silksong will definitely release in the next 12 months" well that aged well lol
Wouldnt it be poorly?
Amazing video :D There are a few things I noticed that might be a bit interesting that you didn't cover:
In the sixteenth shot, the tool that Hornet uses is the same tool she used to pogo in the first Silksong trailer. Given that here it's used in combat, I'm very excited to see the way TC has implemented more of these multi-use tools and how they might even be used in things like speedrunning and skips :o
Also, in the eighteenth shot, I'm fairly certain that the bind animation has been made a bit longer than it was previously. I'm not 100% sure on this as a direct quote, but I'm fairly certain that I read TC increased the duration of the animation on purpose to try and add a bit more intent to the action - the previous time made healing a bit too easy and trivialised a lot of damage.
Loved the video though, that catch on the scholarly suite members + the windmill was insane
No, your right. They definitely increased the duration of the bind animation.
It may be related to the crest, as it also changes the bind cost
I noticed the increased bind time, I wonder if that's crest specific or a universal change.
@@mossbag69Honestly, I figured it was a base change. Didn't even consider it could be crest based. That'd be interesting.
@@mossbag69 I'm pretty certain it's based on the crest, since some crest require less silk to heal, maybe some crest will heal more than 3 masks but have increase duration. Something like that.
The madman separated the video in the shots of the trailer
We were truly hungry for Silksong content
You know what? Team Cherry's silence for the most part has been a good thing. A lot of lore videos tend to grasp at straws and dig out unused assets from early dev to make their theories, and I'm sure a developer like Team Cherry would not want that, but only want players to piece together lore based on information that is available in the game and not some outdated thing they scrapped early on. I expect lore videos of SIlksong to be a lot tighter and more grounded in the in-game experience, which is what I personally prefer.
It's been terrible from what I've observed and was a bad thing for team cherry to do. The community turned into a poisonous toxic swamp. People were justifiably saying the HollowKnight fandom had become worse than the Undertale Fandom...
@@derpherp7432 So youre blaming the devs because you guys, collectively, couldnt keep yourselves from turning into petty children?
*NO COST TOO GREAT*
thank you for your input edgeworth
@@derpherp7432 that's not the dev's fault though, but yeah the community got annoying, I had to unsubscribe from r/hollowknight 6 months ago and have not thought about silksong at all since then, today I woke up to this new trailer and mossbag video, what a pleasant surprise for me hehe
No, (some of) the fans, went rabid. Team cherry's silence was a horrible way to keep fans interested. Some people legitimately thought team cherry stopped development because we had heard nothing for so long. We weren't after a release date. We after a comment, like "hey, yes we're still working on it, we don't have a release date yet, but we will let you all know when we have one. Just stick with us and silksong will be out."
Dead silence for two years is not a good thing.
12 months aged well
I have some bad news
Being blunt, looking at this footage, Silksong absolutely has to be close to finish by this point. With how fluid and detailed a lot of it looks, TC has to be in the twilight stages of development and are likely putting final touches and cleaning up -bugs- glitches. And if nothing else, Xbox drawing a line in the sand is at least something.
Latest will be Q1 2023. Putting that on the table. It might even come out earlier. It's possible a date wasn't in this trailer because of a deal TC may have with Nintendo (since it was slated for the Switch first), so either they'd announce it themselves, or would use Nintendo's (possibly?) upcoming event to announce the actual date.
Only time will tell though. Maybe they'll push it as long as they can, but I imagine even they have to be getting sick of developing this game by this point. Five damned years. I can absolutely see them putting a line down themselves after so long.
Also they've submitted it for rating, so I'm sure they're probably a decent way into development
Bet 500 geo you’re correct
Honestly looks to me like the reason it is taking so long is animation. It's all 2D and so much more complex than Hollow Knight was, like the fact that Hornet appears to have multiple attack styles you can choose between means it is just taking an eon to draw it all haha
personally with how the game looks, I think it will come out fall this year or winter next year
@@eddysonortega6067 guaranteed under a year, that is true for all the Xbox games shown.
I suspect either in November/ early December for Christmas, or February
I think it's interesting how the twenty-fifth shot (20:26) enemy has these huge claws from who you'd think you'd get that HUD with the claws, but Hornet already has them during the battle. So maybe this is a second stage fight to upgrade the fangs?
could also be a dev test build
Yeah i noticed that as well, thats definitely a possibility but who knows
Could be how you get the triple needle tool? Or it could be a case where the enemy's "claws" are some kind of gauntlets, which you might be able to find a pair of beforehand if you look for them? Just theorising to be clear, but it would be pretty interesting. Like how you find the mantis claw right before you fight the boss(es) that cling to walls like it allows you to do.
Bloodborne vibes
The spears collecting silk near the windmill also look like the frame that usually presents itself around the radience which is very eerie
Exactly what I thought when I saw them. Team Cherry said that they would make Silksong more its own thing so as to be able to attract more new players, but I’d be very surprised if they put no connections at all to the original hk.
20:26
If you look in the background, there are images of dead corpses that have been hanged and/or cut into pieces. This reminds me of the cannibalistic chef back in Hollow Knight, in the City of Tears. It might be a throwback to it while also making it a boss battle that could potentially be an option to fight. It seems the chef is trying to use Hornet as a stew or something, hence the spoon in their grip.
I bet the big booty chef killed them
“Only one more year” yea at the end of 2023 there’s no hope of getting silksong this century
God, this video is making me appreciate the finer details in each area. The detailed, looming backgrounds with that parallax effect look FANTASTIC. My god. This art direction is _insane._
Those drill motherfuckers have one of the best ones, and for what reason? Team Cherry are gods of a beautiful bug world.
It is really good don't you think?
20:40 silksong has been ready since 2019 but tc didnt think humanity was ready for that ass, we finally got ready now
I personally don't think that the forest of bones is a firey area, I think the firey region is specifically deep docks. Team cherry usually refrains from having two areas be too similar in terms of theming. Hollow Knight, and presumably silksong, have very distinct color schemes for each region. Moss Grotto is a lush, bright green, and deep docks is a bright orange; my hypothesis is that Forest of Bones is more of a literal forest, the area with an olive green color palette that we've seen a lot, in between the two. I think it's likely that the ants live in the forest of bones given their bone architecture, and many of the shots we see ants in have that same olive green hue. For example 14:19 and a few more in the first trailer like shown at 6:00 in this video. I do think it's possible the lower forest of bones has lava, but I think it's not necessarily that the forest of bones must be a firey area just because that's how it was when it was cut from hollow knight.
makes sense. although I liked the idea that the forest of bones is lava :(
Well, they did have two areas with similar themes in hollow knight: the queen’s garden and greenpath. Maybe it’s something similar to that
@@jlin592 That's possible, but even with those very similar areas Team Cherry did a lot in terms of artwork to distinguish them. Queen's gardens has bright green backgrounds, flowers, and ornate architecture, while Greenpath has darker greens, more moss & vines, and ancient-looking architecture. With Deep docks, the bone aspects and mechanical aspects are interwoven so frequently that I can't discern two separate areas, and I think team cherry would probably make them more easy to differentiate from one another. I could always be completely wrong though, and even if aren't similar areas I think Forest of Bones will definitely have some lava elements.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi oh yeah, that makes sense. If you showed someone a screenshot of queens garden and greenpath, they’ll know which is which
22:01 this never gets old 😌
One thing I find interesting is how when hornet goes up the elevator, she is in her regular idle stance, but when she goes down, she is in the same animation as she is when she is defeated in hollow knight. Perhaps you have to escape from whatever area that is in a big chase sequence? Cool stuff.
That’s her stagger animation in this game, like the one the Knight does when a boss roars. It’s probably a scripted event where she goes up the elevator but it falls from under her and takes her to Deepnest 2 or something
@@AshenDust_ DEEPNEST 2! There will totally be a deepnest 2 won't there... you know what we don't need silksong I'm good.
@@azuquirtle Deepnest 2 electric boogaloo
I like how the areas are styled. There isn’t so much specific areas that are completely distinct from the adjacent ones, but they slowly blend in to each other while still standing out.
12:37 your discussion of the shape of these things finally made me realise what the bell creature reminds me of from the original game: it looks like the unknown "thing" that Ghost/Knight can't either dreamnail or interact with in any way. their heads have this very similar shape and amount of eye sockets, and if the previous phase of the creature was more larvae-like, one can imagine its body in silk being hang up to the ceiling in the same way as in Beast's Den.
great job on the analysis, I was looking forward to your takes on the trailer!!
The weavers are from Pharloom, too- they might have bought them along as transport?
I think you’re right
Which unknown thing?
Which enemy are you talking about from hk
@@jay-tbl it's not an enemy, it's a prop in one of the rooms in Beast's Den!
14:33 Small detail but I wanna appreciate how one of the enemies' droppings (shards) are floating on the water instead of sinking like in the original game. It also raised other questions if anyone wants to answer like is it only the gray shards that float? Do all water now makes items float besides the swamp-like water from this cut? Can Hornet eat the hot dog plant?
Wild glizzy 😃
No, they're full of compressed seedlings that expand rapidly on impact so they're not that good for eating 😔
@@aarcade6676 but even so....
ME WANT BITE
I think that unless she cooks it properly the hot dog plant will be pretty dangerous for bug consumption
22:00 this aged like milk
TH-cam recommending this to me a year later is hilarious,
they lied to you past mossbag, they lied to all of us
This game looks incredible I’m glad they’ve had all the time they needed to make a hopeful masterpiece of a game
At this point i would rather not play the game at all and wait forever knowing it will only get better
2:49 "They appear to be moss-like creatures suffering from male-pattern baldness" ngl I almost thought you were going to transition into a Keeps sponsor segment there
Also it's really fascinating how people can turn like an 80-second trailer into a 22 minute long analysis video
This is MEGA hype. I was crying and screaming during this announcement.
June 12th has long since passed, I am becoming mentally insane
"silksong will not release anywhere after june-12-2023" -mossbag
WELL SHIT
Awesome analysis! I like that you went deeper into this. Can't wait for the game and I hope it will also release on PlayStation, the fact that it wasn't confirmed makes me slightly worried lol
12:06 maybe that's just me but noone is mentioning how this guy grabs another bug and attacks with him xd
17:19 isn't it falling though? It's pretty shaky
yess the elevator is probably falling. I mentioned that on Twitter and it seems like the god of Hollow Knight agrees
Getting a heart, huh? Thanks mossbag!
Also that moment in 12:06 might be just a coincidence and if so, then it's pretty funny
Mf got his own kinsect
The pictures you picked at 0:22 for the PC and Xbox are so very perfect. I've barely started and I already love this video.
Spingbab
Sponkdoo
The sponge
I hope mossbag get a free copy, he's been keeping this fandom sane(sacrifices not included)
Your comment got liked 68 items. This is sad.
Why? He makes money off of hollow knight content. It’s only fair he pays for a copy.
Ye he does deserve it after being sacrificed
The game is gonna be free I'm pretty sure
@@nightmaresans9161why tho ?
I find myself yet again
When discussing the area directly beneath another, with our piece of evidence being small pieces of the higher, larger thing falling from above, the fact you started playing the City Of Tears, an area with the exact same properties (but in city’s case, instead of pedals from a flower… forest? It being water from the blue lake) was really clever and cool if it was intentional. If you just played city’s theme because it’s beautiful, that’s fine too.
About the white flowers: They might be based on the Udumbara blossom. In Buddhism, they're said to be sacred flowers from heaven, They're exceedingly tiny and like to grow on metal surfaces, (we see them covering the metal pipe in the background of the Lace fight) they're really rare and are said to bloom every 3,000 years. Scientists aren't sure if it's not actually a type of moss, or fungus rather than a flower. I have no idea if the white flowers are actually based on Udumbara or what it means if they are, but I thought the similarities were interesting.
This could be right since we see a bit of religious imagery.
13:47 come on now! That's an insult to the bug XD
"Hey, has anyone seen Mossbag?"
Team Cherry: "Hold on. We got this. AHEM. HEY GUYS! WE HAVE A NEW SILKSONG TRAILER!"
Mossbag: *SLAMS THROUGH THE WALL LIKE THE KOOL-AID MAN*
Released at the very latest June 12th . That aged well
Something I'd like to point out is that at the beginning of the tenth shot (9:38). Instead of looking like a bridge between two structures it looks more like the nave of a church. You can see what looks to be rows of pews and even a bug sitting in one on the left side. It would also semi explain why a figure (the vault keeper?) would be standing in the background as he'd be standing in the sanctuary/altar of the church.
I do think you're right there.
Immediately thought of you when the new silksong trailer dropped. Was so excited 'cause I knew you would go crazy with an analysis video. We missed you moss!
mossbag's strange fondness for elevators and Windette's strange dislike for elevators is rather peculiar. There is deep lore here.
Nah man its just that all Australians such as myself have an obsession with elevators.
"Even the smallest of crumbs can be an entire feast to the hungriest of man."
-me
I’m so excited for silksong to come out in -8 days
sIlkSoNG wiLL DefEnetLY be OuT wiThIN the NeXT twelFe mOnthS.
Great video as always! I’m not sure if you noticed, but at 15:02 the enemy that Hornet kills seems to drop not only shell shards and rosaries, but also a gray, map-marker looking thing. This may be used to craft a new tool, or be a type of currency in a certain area, though I have no clue!
Oh i think thats just the bigger version of a rosarie thats worth 5 rosaries because if you pause exactly when she picks it up she gets 6 rosaries with the one rosarie
I did not see that! You’re probably right, cause it would make sense to have them for an enemy that drops lots of rosaries, ie that ant mini-boss.
Long have i waited. For the new Silksong trailer.
the scene of hornet stabbing a bug with a cloth over their head HAS to be a Dark Souls 3 reference. The sequence is IDENTICAL to the ashen one's wedding ceremony with Anri!!!
I'm surprised that more people are not talking about this, with all the talk that HK is literally bug Dark Souls.
" any later than june 12, 2023" nah
Time to do my monthly watch of the trailer analysis. Thank you mossbag very cool
Kinda fun to have subtitles ON for the conclusion, getting to know your personal take on the trailer. It's like finding pieces of missing lore in a game. Nice video as always!
At this point, mossbag knows the entire plot to silksong
This video was great. Already deciphering core mechanics, speculating plot points, encountering lore details and of course, a classic James Cordon joke. Fantastic.
"hornet dives head first into balls", "don't worry, we'll see hornet drill some enemy bugs soon enough"
The ant opera boss looks so sick
In the eighteenth shot, those things in the foreground and background also look really similar to the design of the crest used in the same shot.
21:39 subtitles do be living their own live.
21:00 "Keep your eyes peeled when you get to that part"
I think I'll peel my eyes right now actually. maybe some bleach too...
hello in january 2024 1:06
I feel like tools in this game are going to lead to some really interesting speedruns
New mossbag videos: usually a month or two apart
New HK Silksong trailer: drops
mossbag making a 22-min video on it 2 days later: "I am Speed."
It's so nice to hear your voice and amazing deadpan jokes and insane analysis, you make such good content. I can't wait to play silksong and see how it augments the world and storytelling of hollow knight, as well as hear your theories and conclusions about the game when we know more.
Mr.Moss I am glad to hear your voice once more! Seeing how you are totally alive and not a mimic is very nice to know.
19:42 “such a fun challenge”
Yeah, because the watchers were *soooo much fun*
I think you actually just gave me ptsd flashbacks.
Hell, this aged like fucking milk 0:59
worse even, it aged like school milk
@@SamFromItalia "Silksong will definitely be out in the next 12 months"
He said that with so much confidence
I’m guessing it will be released around the same time as GTA6
I know it's just a trailer analysis video, but when he started playing the city of tears theme I got goosebumps. Can't wait to hear all of larkin's new music for silksong
when was that?
Also, I'm pretty sure TC increased the time it takes to bind - and we can see that in 18th shot. I don't recall the exact words, but I think a playtester said it was because the previous cooldown let you heal way too often.
Dude , Im glad we actually got trailer without sacrificing you.
I get a feeling that Seth or however it’s spelt is gonna be how tiso would be if he was a fight and it makes me happy to think we’ll finally get to fight what he would’ve been!
Been waiting for this video so hype for silksong!
Damn, I thought the sacrifice had gone through.... I mean nice you're still with us.
You never know how much you miss someone until they're gone... and come back harder than ever and OH MY GOD FAT JIM
Ass bug
“June 12 is going to be the release date.” they said.
Ever since I saw the trailer I was just counting the minutes until mossbag would make a video.
I hope silksong gets on Playstation
Hopefully this gets read but I worked for EA in compliance and usually when a game gets submitted for rating it’s near the final stages of bug and polish
Pog
The fact that the trailer came out on my birthday makes me all the more happy
Im not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but I think its possible that spiders can weave soul into silk. That would explain the ability to sort of "control" the lower bugs with silk. It would also explain why silk comes off of enemies, and why hornet naturally makes the silk when she hits them. This ability may be something unique to pharloom? Or maybe we only see the silk coming off of enemies because we have the pov of hornet now. Maybe the knight didnt see the silk bc they just absorbed the soul directly due to being a void creature? Idk just a thought
This would also explain why hornet leaves a cocoon of silk upon death. She is restoring part of her own soul level. Where the knight has to retrieve their shade, which is the vessel they store soul from other bugs in.
Though, i also think its possible that the bugs in the white hoods are actually not being controlled at all, but willing servants of however is "pulling the strings" so to speak.
Great to see Mossbag making videos in the after life. Even after being sacrificed he still with the HK community. But for real, I missed Mossbag, and is great seeing back with Silksong
I’m so glad it came out before the sacrifice was complete. Who would be able to break down the trailer ???
Dearest mossbag, you never fail us with your breakdowns❤ Thanks for the quick and insightful analysis, and for your keen eyes🙏
At 19:57 in the video, Hornet is doing that attack where she swings silk around like crazy. It looks like the move cost 3 silk, but then slowly drains more silk as the attack continues. I am guessing that you will be able to keep doing this attack for as long as you have silk.
Looks like a cyclone slash that uses "soul". Interesting!
1:06 The amount of sass in this one image is incredible
Been waiting for this one, glad to see you're on top of things
Do any of us all remember when Nintendo said "releasing soon" at the 2019 Treehouse? I do.
I do.