“Administrative betrayal” As a police officer who has 25 unblemished years, I uncovered corruption and brought it forward. The retaliation against me is beyond belief.
Education sector too. It's an environment that harks back to childhood vulnerabilities and power. Many DTs return to school as adults for the power and popularity it offers. Many vulnerable adults head back for a childhood nurturing environment as well. 💥
@@thePSYCHcollective I've known many a teacher fall foul of them, myself and my better half almost included at one point. Thanks to a good psychotherapist we were both able to navigate the situation. Keep up the great work guys.
It never occurred to me that they congregate at upper levels but it makes so much sense. How do we keep ourselves ascending the chain or protect ourselves without getting eaten by these folks?
I’ve heard HR people suggest to keep a diary of events and conversations and all emails. If they avoid committing things to email that’s a worry. The truth burns DTs. Eventually might be too late. Be wary as DTs are common. Usually charming/disarming at the start. So check reputation carefully and if you catch a manger lying to you or disparaging others, be wary. If they allow their staff to burnout and staff to turnover without qualms, it’s a worry: They may be surreptitiously converting the sanity of staff into their status escalation. Or they’re incompetent, either way is not a great predicament. A ethical manager supports/develops their people and serves the objectives of the business.
Very interesting about the gaslighting not necessarily intentional. I spent some time recently wondering if someone I knew had actually always strategically used some of their catchphrase gaslighting statements, because much of the time they seemed so offhand, rather than a conscious ploy. And I think they believed what they were saying. Other times they seemed more deliberate.
The nurses and doctors in community mental health system that last especially those in the acute/crisis team tends to end up with a lot of these folks and those in the psych hospital the security gaurds and in particular the nurses that have been nursing in mental health a long time tend to end up being these ones. It’s horrific to watch the abuse of power they do in the psych ward abd seem to derive pleasure from upsetting mentally Ill patients and then calling security on them when they get upset I was absolutely shocked to see this dynamic and the god like status of the psychiatrists who had no interest in the patients and no empathy it was the head nurses in the psych unit however that had that added sadistic element of getting off on upsetting and wielding power over patients. I think if someone wants power and status they would also be drawn to medicine and both psychiatrists and in particular surgeons have this reputation even amoung the staff. Mental health nursing is perhaps the step up in power over peoples lives that nurses with these traits end up seeking as well as social workers and security gaurds are also likely to have these traits but perhaps didn’t make the police force. Obviously this is a generalisation but having worked in the felid and been a patient I saw it clearly from both sides. I’m saying that it’s hard to differentiate between burn out compassion fatigue and these traits because they can look so similar
Great video! One quetion though, what if you already have cptsd and/or bpd? How do you handle triggers and these guys in a workplace? Cause im pretty sure they can sniff me out as im quite aware and hypervigulent to these traits but are often triggered into child mode or subjugation around them. And as if i didnt feel vulnerable to begin with and nobody believes me to be weary of them, so i seem crazy. Thank you.
There’s different options that might be helpful, depending on the circumstance. Flying under the radar might work, until it doesn’t work anymore. Assertiveness training can be helpful, as you become somewhat formidable and thereby too much trouble. But that can backfire. Looking for a smaller organisation with no (or fewer) DTs is another strategy. If none of those options work and you find yourself being attacked/used up by a DT, then going elsewhere might be advisable. Keep a diary/journal of bullying/harassment interactions and of your productivity/contributions (in case your matter ends up being investigated by Human Resouces). Be aware they will be stealing your credit and scapegoating you yo improve their standing in the company and erode your standing. Do the senior managers will probably ignore you and believe them.
Any advice regarding proactive/protective measures to take for those who are in work relationships with DT individuals but would prefer to avoid becoming their collateral damage?
I see this often, it becomes increasingly an issue as you gain respect from others for becoming increasingly competent. The TDs will steal the credit until the truth trips them up. Truth is the sunlight that kills the TD “vampires”. But they will seek revenge if you cause their status to be tarnished. I don’t give advice. Some people collude with them, but that’s hard to stomach. Getting the hell away is preferable, but not always possible. I’ll frame the dilemma: if one’s priority is to provide and protect one’s family but serving the community risks one’s capacity to do that, what should one do? I see people get badly burned by DT managers (see PTSD sledgehammer video) then lose their ability to provide and protect for their family. Then they lose their family. They feel betrayed by the system they thought had their backs. They formulate the question too late: who has your back if you lose the capacity to provide & protect for your family?
@@thePSYCHcollective truth is the sunlight - I love that. A more relevant comment than you appreciate. I appreciate your wisdom - don't give advice, but illuminate the options and their costs, so we can choose our paths with our eyes open. Thank you.
“Administrative betrayal” As a police officer who has 25 unblemished years, I uncovered corruption and brought it forward. The retaliation against me is beyond belief.
Sounds like my entire management team at work
Education sector too. It's an environment that harks back to childhood vulnerabilities and power. Many DTs return to school as adults for the power and popularity it offers. Many vulnerable adults head back for a childhood nurturing environment as well. 💥
I’ve been shocked at the degree of DT alignment and deliberate psychological harm in education hierarchies.
@@thePSYCHcollective I've known many a teacher fall foul of them, myself and my better half almost included at one point. Thanks to a good psychotherapist we were both able to navigate the situation. Keep up the great work guys.
Yes
Paramedicine and nursing also attract these types.
Definitely
I know people like this, to have it explained like this, SO much helps in understanding certain situations that I've been involved in. Thank you.
Spot on again. I wish I found this years ago.
It never occurred to me that they congregate at upper levels but it makes so much sense. How do we keep ourselves ascending the chain or protect ourselves without getting eaten by these folks?
I’ve heard HR people suggest to keep a diary of events and conversations and all emails. If they avoid committing things to email that’s a worry.
The truth burns DTs. Eventually might be too late.
Be wary as DTs are common. Usually charming/disarming at the start. So check reputation carefully and if you catch a manger lying to you or disparaging others, be wary. If they allow their staff to burnout and staff to turnover without qualms, it’s a worry: They may be surreptitiously
converting the sanity of staff into their status escalation. Or they’re incompetent, either way is not a great predicament.
A ethical manager supports/develops their people and serves the objectives of the business.
Amazing video on a subject not talked about much. Thanks!
This was a fantastic video! I am loving the PTSD content that you guys are producing. Thank you very much :)
Very interesting about the gaslighting not necessarily intentional. I spent some time recently wondering if someone I knew had actually always strategically used some of their catchphrase gaslighting statements, because much of the time they seemed so offhand, rather than a conscious ploy. And I think they believed what they were saying. Other times they seemed more deliberate.
They have to keep convincing themselves. Like a cat cramming themselves in a box. Or a wolf squeezing into a sheep's skin.
😭 why didn’t watch this ages ago?…….
Love this video. Thankyou so much.
The nurses and doctors in community mental health system that last especially those in the acute/crisis team tends to end up with a lot of these folks and those in the psych hospital the security gaurds and in particular the nurses that have been nursing in mental health a long time tend to end up being these ones. It’s horrific to watch the abuse of power they do in the psych ward abd seem to derive pleasure from upsetting mentally Ill patients and then calling security on them when they get upset I was absolutely shocked to see this dynamic and the god like status of the psychiatrists who had no interest in the patients and no empathy it was the head nurses in the psych unit however that had that added sadistic element of getting off on upsetting and wielding power over patients. I think if someone wants power and status they would also be drawn to medicine and both psychiatrists and in particular surgeons have this reputation even amoung the staff. Mental health nursing is perhaps the step up in power over peoples lives that nurses with these traits end up seeking as well as social workers and security gaurds are also likely to have these traits but perhaps didn’t make the police force. Obviously this is a generalisation but having worked in the felid and been a patient I saw it clearly from both sides. I’m saying that it’s hard to differentiate between burn out compassion fatigue and these traits because they can look so similar
Very interesting discussion. Are women or men more likely to develop and display these dark triad personality types and why?
On a population level women have higher average agreeability. So we’d expect fewer DT women. But there’s still plenty of them.
Great video! One quetion though, what if you already have cptsd and/or bpd? How do you handle triggers and these guys in a workplace? Cause im pretty sure they can sniff me out as im quite aware and hypervigulent to these traits but are often triggered into child mode or subjugation around them. And as if i didnt feel vulnerable to begin with and nobody believes me to be weary of them, so i seem crazy. Thank you.
There’s different options that might be helpful, depending on the circumstance. Flying under the radar might work, until it doesn’t work anymore.
Assertiveness training can be helpful, as you become somewhat formidable and thereby too much trouble. But that can backfire.
Looking for a smaller organisation with no (or fewer) DTs is another strategy.
If none of those options work and you find yourself being attacked/used up by a DT, then going elsewhere might be advisable. Keep a diary/journal of bullying/harassment interactions and of your productivity/contributions (in case your matter ends up being investigated by Human Resouces). Be aware they will be stealing your credit and scapegoating you yo improve their standing in the company and erode your standing. Do the senior managers will probably ignore you and believe them.
Any advice regarding proactive/protective measures to take for those who are in work relationships with DT individuals but would prefer to avoid becoming their collateral damage?
For example, what advice would you give a police officer who is in it to serve the community, but is subordinate to DT leadership?
I see this often, it becomes increasingly an issue as you gain respect from others for becoming increasingly competent. The TDs will steal the credit until the truth trips them up. Truth is the sunlight that kills the TD “vampires”. But they will seek revenge if you cause their status to be tarnished.
I don’t give advice. Some people collude with them, but that’s hard to stomach. Getting the hell away is preferable, but not always possible.
I’ll frame the dilemma: if one’s priority is to provide and protect one’s family but serving the community risks one’s capacity to do that, what should one do?
I see people get badly burned by DT managers (see PTSD sledgehammer video) then lose their ability to provide and protect for their family. Then they lose their family. They feel betrayed by the system they thought had their backs. They formulate the question too late: who has your back if you lose the capacity to provide & protect for your family?
@@thePSYCHcollective truth is the sunlight - I love that. A more relevant comment than you appreciate.
I appreciate your wisdom - don't give advice, but illuminate the options and their costs, so we can choose our paths with our eyes open. Thank you.