Greetings John, I've been having trouble of my setup but if you can help me what's the best setup I'll highly appreciated the recommendation. Anyways, I have DSL internet (10mps). They gave me A Techicolor TG788v v3 modem but I've been having some serious issues when I play online (using WiFi) I'm talking about 220 ping on BO4. Any solutions??
This is great! I told my ISP that I had my own modem and router. They tried to tell me that I couldn’t do that which is definitely not true in most cases.
I know this is a 4 year old video now but it has just solved a crazy double nat and lack of qos functionality issue ive been having in my home network. My new isp gateway suffers from terrible buffer bloat and has no modem only or bridge mode. Plus it uses carrier grade nat. I have an asus router running openwrt firmware and have had a nightmare trying to bridge them without either double nat or a los of qos. Now have a managed switch running pfsense qos and prioritizing traffic and have reverted the asus back to og firmware and running in ap mode and it seems to ve working well! Both my wife and i thank you john!
I realize I’m 4 years late, but this is the most informative and straightforward video I have found on the subject. Trying to connect a new MSI gaming router to ISP gateway and really wish I had watched this last week!
There's a bit of misinformation here unfortunately and quite a bit to address, but the major points being: QoS *only* makes a difference if you're running into some form of contention and want to prioritize traffic. It's also not recommended on most consumer grade equipment and usually does more harm than good. QoS will *NOT* make traffic any less latent under normal conditions. I would advise heavily against its use for most consumers. The double NAT thing isn't a problem in the scenario you provided. Double NAT is an issue when both DHCP servers are on the same network. In the diagram, the ISP provided equipment is only leasing a single address to the consumer router. It's better to put the ISP device into bridge mode, but stating that this scenario will cause problems isn't true unless you're attempting to port forward. The "gateway" is really a 3-in-1, Router/Switch/AP. Usually poor versions of each. The idea of having a "high performance" access point with a "low performance" access point is nonsense. I would never in a million years spend that much money on lackluster Netgear equipment. If you're serious about your network but don't want to spend a fortune look into something like Ubiquiti.
Correction on double NAT, I don't know why I was conflating it with DHCP in my head, lack of sleep and all that. It's still not a problem unless you're port forwarding.
I'm kinda new to his videos, mainly because of doing research for tech he happens to have videos for. And one reoccurring theme I notice already is a consistent form of Misinformation. Even the title here where it claims to teach how to turn an ISP router in to a Gaming router, is nothing more than a video about how to buy another piece of hardware to get the functionality out of the original hardware one tried to use in the first place. I tell myself at least he is only effecting PS4 users, I mean they are on PSN so who the hell cares what their connection and online gaming experience is like. 😅
Except Ipv6 will not work correctly and you will be creating a bottleneck on your network. Those things wont affect most people but for me it's not acceptable
John Glasscock John Glasscock could you elaborate on this some more. This is how i am setup, Nighthawk R7000 along w/Spectrum internet. I have them bridging it to my Nighthawk. Sometimes things get haywire and I have to have them configure things when internet goes down, electrical issues, or power outage.
I've been trying to find a solution for so long. I've opened port forwarded, amongst so many other options but this solutions helps the best and is explained the nicest.
I have a cable modem and connected it to a router to make it useful for more than one device. My modem is an Arris from the ISP. The connection as sold to me is 100 megabit but I often get more. That is only because I got rid of the old router which had no gigabit Ethernet and got one that does have it. I was not expecting gigabit speeds and was not really sure if I would see more than 100 megabit. To my pleasant surprise the better router allowed an extra 70 megabits to come through. Not all people will have the luck I had. I am using a TP-Link C7 router and they are usually good. Some people who reviewed them said they had problems with them but it is very difficult to know what they did to theirs, I had no problems at all!! I already had that extra boost in speed before the epidemic so that wasn't just my ISP being generous and making quarantining easier for me and other people. In a way I am glad for that extra bit of speed because they (like all the others) slowly raise your bill higher. It seems to me that the slowly rising price is more for TV service really.
This doesnt work for every provider unfortunately. Also, testing with bridge mode I've found a huge cut in speed/ throughput when using "bridge mode" on a high speed connection. Also, I encountered errors with IPv6 compatibility. There are people who have very good results using bridge mode but for me it was inconsistent and I wouldn't recommend it
John Glasscock the reason to use bridged mode is that you are then free to use whatever routing gear you want. It’s not going to work well if you just put the bridged connection straight into your managed switch. You should try Pfsense if you haven’t already.
@@backjonas I'm not saying to put a bridged connection into a managed switch ( which would actually work the same) I'm saying you can avoid bridge mode all together utilizing a different hardware set up. I'm familiar with "bridge mode" but have discovered through traffic monitoring that using at&t gateway doesnt provide a true bridge. It sort of simulates a bridge but has shortcomings
John Glasscock I am should get 1000 mbts but I only get about 250. My ISP is att fiber and my modem is on bridge mode. I have no problems other than this speed which is much more than enough for all devices I have home. Everything goes really nice
I just want to mention real quick on the part with the gateway to proper 3rd party router, if you cannot get your provider to provide you with a modem, most gateways do have a feature called "bridge mode" this feature will essentially turn your gateway into a modem and then you have no problems when connecting your 3rd party router to it.
I don't understand the difference between the managed switch and a DHCP enabled gaming router.. Couldn't you just disable DHCP on the router and use the built in qos and wifi capabilities without it confusing the IP assignments from the cable/dsl gateway?
A guy from geeksquad tried to tell me that I needed a router for my games because most of their modems didn't have phone Ethernet and cable altogether.
Also, ensure there is no crosstalk noise from neighborhood routers broadcasting near the same frequency. 2.4GHz band has 11 channels; however, only 4 channels can be broadcast in close proximity due to overlapping boundaries. 5GHz doesn't suffer too much in overlap but it does have line-of-sight limits as well as interference from microwaves and incoming cell calls to nearby mobile devices.
Bro I’m getting AT&T tomorrow I’m getting a Gigabit up and down. So the only thing I need is a “SWITCH.” Also, do they have a gigabit “switch” because I want the best of the best.
So my isp is AT&T, not fiber optic as it isn’t in the area yet. I have their Pace 5268AC router. I also have a Linksys Velop Mesh WiFi system with 3 nodes. What are the best setting and best setup to achieve quality gaming without lag spikes and very high ping in the 100’s? You may not be familiar with the Velop mesh system but I’m going out on a limb here to try and find good help from someone who can point me in the right direction. My Xbox is across the home in a game room (wife won’t allow it anywhere else) and my router is next to the computer on the other side of the house this is why the mesh system was purchased. I now have a double nat all the time and a strict nat at all times. Before the mesh system I had no double nat and a moderate nat type but the router was so far away that I would lose connection 80% of the time and get kicked out of games.
Never had an issue with gaming until I switched to At&t their modem UI seems outdated and not user friendly. Been fighting this double NAT for a year now. Thank you for this information.
Hey, John, I have a question for you. I just got 1GB fiber put into my apartment from AT&T. Now I am only getting 300 DL and 300 UL. I talked to the Tech and he said I could get more if I just add a router to my gateway. My question to you is it worth me buying a gaming router? Will I get more speed if I do that? It comes into my apartment as fiber then come out in a CAT 5 connection. he said also that as soon as I attach it that is disables the DCHP and give all handling to the new router? Thanks for the videos and I hope you can answer this for me.
I have a Asus GT-AX11000 and a Netgear Nighthawk CM1200, i pay 1000Mbps but only getting Wifi 275 down and 41.1 up, Hardwire 575 down and 41.5 up, is there any functionality i need to change on the gaming router?
John Glasscock I have att fiber 1 GB speed and I’m stuck with their 5268AC modem/router. The WiFi speed sucks, so I bought a better gaming router (Zyxel Armor Z2) and I’m able to get 400-500 mbps w/ 4-5ms ping on WiFi (with 2.4 ghz disabled and using channel 157 on 5 ghz after using WiFi analyzer to see which channels are best for me) anyways, on Ethernet connection, I’m able to get 800-900mbps w/ 2-3ms ping also after connecting to google’s DNS and doing some other stuff on Windows like changing the bandwidth limitation from 80% to 0%, etc. So my question is, you mentioned that having two routers with DCHP/NAT both enabled causes problems. What kind of problems? And how do I disable DCHP on my gaming router?
@@Dmarcuz there are some routers that have disabling DHCP automatically and others will let you disable DHCP by entering the IP address and subnetmask for your internet source modem or in you case, your other router. I use zyxel router and i find the settings in maintenance > LAN settings
Legit Plays I went into my router setting and looked under LAN and I disabled DHCP server and put googles DNS servers as user defines, but when I try to put att’s IP address and subnet it breaks the internet 😑
Thanks! Your the difference between poor connectivity and slaying in-game - on my wonky triple router + modem, family setup! For me this was the vid ^^
I have at&t fixed wireless which has the same setup as your fiber. I just live outside the normal internet gateway area. So since I live about 2 miles away from a cellular tower I actually have decent internet at up to 100 Mbps. I haven't had much issue with online gaming since I got it
Question that I might not get a answer too, If I have the worst internet going I’m talking I get a solid 6 on a good day. What is the best thing I can buy
Yeah thats how I set up. I simply go into the comcast settings put bridge mode on. I got a nighthawk I can activate mu-mimo ofdma but unfortunately ipv6 isn't available yet in my area.
Wow, this is what i needed to understand the thing of the switch. Thank you a lot and im understanding more about my internet setup. Thank you alot and it was very good eplained. Keep the good work!
Hi bro, i hv xr500 and my gateway fiber model , so i put the xr500 Mac address into the dmz of the fiber gateway and my ps4 is connected into the xr500 and i put my ps4 ip in dmz on the xr500, open nat now and games is fine , is my setup fine ? The wireless devices is connected to the xr500 and the wifi is not enable in the gateway
If you want to use your own hardware, see if your gateway has some form of modem mode, mine does, it shuts down all wifi and ethernet functionality and just acts as a modem and this means that you don't need a switch, most modern wifi/ethernet routers have some form of ethernet and wifi based QoS or something that will allow you to set priority, netgear actually has an amazing GUI for wifi based priority but it does carry a premium.
for the first part of the video just use bridge mode (ip pass through ) in gateway this will pass the internet directly to the router to handle it and the gateway will switch off the wifi automatically my setup is 5G modem+ netgear d7000 modem/router
thanks man, i was looking to see if i would still need a modem if i was switching over to a 3rd party router and found my answer, (though i believe that answer can still differ with some ISPs if they have those boxes on the side of the house) also it was a good refresher and extended lesson on SOHO networking.
Most isp has a setting for tuning on/off modem mode also Called bridge mode. The isp provided modem/router, Will go into modem mode only, and shutoff All router functions like WiFi etc. You Can now have a aftermarket router in front of it. My network is much more Stable and it handles stuff much better. No speed loss at All. Ofc if you put aftermarket router in front of isp provided modem/router, WITHOUT modem mode / bridge. It Will be a mess. Look into this with your isp, before you spend money on dedicated modem.
How about bridge mode it turns a gateway into a modem basically and you can also shut of firewall at least for me with Comcast which I have done and then use everything from my XR500 router.
Thanks so much man you saved me so much time you just got a new sub!! I’ve been buying new routers and wondering why they never worked till you showed me why lol
GLASSCOCK does your router have to be from the same company as your isp.. say im with sky.. so my router is sky and my isp is from sky.. can i change the router and the wifi will still work?
Great explanation buddy!!! Awesome!! I want to do the same thing. but, Optimum gave me their Gateway 6 Router, with no way of accessing the router's settings at all. I won't be able to turn off WiFi at all. I want to use the gaming router from Netgear you show in the illustration. Optimum says, ( on the router access page) that they are having trouble accessing the router. Which is a total lie. Why do you think they won't allow customers to access their router?? Thank you for all you do John. Bless you
This video has quite a bit of bad information. 1. You can put the gateway in bridge mode. 2. Double routers creates interference and loss of packets. 3. QOS prioritizes your gaming traffic, other traffic will be deprioritized. 4. Adding the switch is unnecessary and adds latency if you're adding a router.
My ISP managed to make me a static IP. Now i am using Asus RTAX82U as the main modem. And now i have an open Nat type. I still have my ISP modem (put aside). I want to add the RTAC53000 as a mesh node but im afraid it my stuff up my wifi
Don’t get me wrong you’ve done a good job explaining everything, it’s not really true reflection of your title though, and definitely not cheap when your talking managed switches and a pairs of routers etc...
What I should do? I had Frontier Fios (Verizon fios) in Florida. But Im doing the Big NO you are saying on this video. I connect my nighthawk XR500 to my gateway(modem from my internet provider). What cheaper option I have?
John, Recently, I tried to set my system up as you have but I seem to be running into a fee kinds with my Xbox One S. I use a fiber provider in Des Moines Iowa called CenturyLink. CenturyLink is a parent company associated with AT&T. CenturyLink uses a modem/router combo gateway (either Actiontec or netgear if you are extremely lucky) i have 1G speeds with fiber but usually only get on average 300 down and around 700 up. The gateway I have to use per the ISP is an Actiontec c3000a. I have logged into it and set my port forwarding and tried to change my DNS to Either a Cloudflare or OpenDNS server as that is what is recommend by Benchmark. When i plug my ethernet into my PC i get a ping of 2ms with a download of usually 200mbps and an upload of 700 to 790mbps. When i do the same test on my xbox one s i get a ping between 25ms and 52ms and a download of 80-150mbps and an upload no higher than 60mpbs with 0 to 1% packet loss. I also change the DNS of my xbox from automatic to manual and enter the DNS of the respective Cloudflare or openDNS servers to match what my gateway is using. This has little to no effect even when clearing the xbox mac address between changes (which i have read can sometimes help) Ultimately, i am trying to reduce ping in multiplayer for games such as Battlefield 5 and Cod but, i seem to have issues replicating the low ping on my computer to my xbox. From my gateway c3000A i have ports forwarded for battlefield, apex, and ghost recon games for better connectivity. I have the netgear S8000 switch with the gaming profile enabled and hardwired into my xbox. I then have my NIGHTHAWK 3200ACS in AP mode to handle all of my wifi concerns which is what I saw you do in another video. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to lower my ping or get better speeds on the xbox and I have a suspicion that even though I am changing the DNS on my gateway, my ISP isn't really allowing the change. Can you offer any suggestions on what to do from here? I dont understand how one on Microsoft based system (PC) i get one result and on another, it is completely different.
My ISP Bravado Wireless but i have a low spec tplink Archer Ax1500 router hooked up to my Bec 6300nel Ridgewave LTE Main modem. Combo I wish i could have Fiber internet i hate Rural Areas
You just call the ISP and they shut off the router functions on the gateway, then it becomes a dumb modem rather than a router. I have servers and things I run from home that need to be Subnetted off, not messing with ISP routing LOL.
I have a gateway and R7000 and im the only one using internet in my house just for my ps4 pro, pc, and phone. Cant I just bridge my Gateway and use my nighthawk? I left a comment on your last video about this in a little more detail but you put out this video today
I AM WITH SKY UK MY ISP I USE THE LATEST SKY Q ROUTER CAN I JUST GET ANOTHER BETTER ROUTER FOR GAMEING OR WILL IT COUSE ME MANY PROBLEMS??, GREAT VIDS BY THE WAY
Depends on your use. I have both. If you want to use the wifi extensively and if you use a lot of bandwidth (over 100mbit) use XR500, otherwise R1 will do. What you can also do with a R1 is run it along side your existing router, DMZ it and just use the geofilter. Then only connect your games console. If you don't want to use the geofilter then there is no reason to buy either as you can get better stuff for the price.
Dude in networking the only thing that helps latency and ping is to have the best solid connection to a good isp, working cat 6 cables, and only one person on the lan using the wan on a good day for the isp that hopefully takes care of its dns and mapping for its outside router directions.
Question, I've got a decent network up and running. Every device shows me high speeds except for the ps4, it's the only one that just won't give me high speeds. Any idea as to why the hell only the ps4 stays low in speed?
how do you know that they are forcing you to use their gateway???? I've got a gateway do you recommend me to buy any tp-link router that supports QoS and fiber cable?
I purchased the switch thinking I could plug my Xbox straight into the switch without having to use the router first, my internet speed is only 75down and 8up is this useless for me?
so what is if i use a gaming router like asus rog ac5300 with my gateway from isp ,, and disable dhcp in one of the devices ( the gateway or the router ) ?
Your videos are very informative. I have a doubt though,i use a smart switch which has dhcp on(tplink-tl sg107-e) by default..should i leave it on. Or should i turn it off
I have comcast and use thier gateway due to have phone with them. If your gateway allows you to bridge it do it tjat turns the gateway into a modem and you can connwct your own router to it
How would a simple setup with precaution compare, like connecting high priority device(s) with ethernet and use it when other devices don't need internet. For latency, I believe there is a video from LinusTechTips that suggests opting for a faster dns server. Don't remember if it was supposed to improve latency for games, but should be much easier to implement.
My isp is optimum, they said i can use my own router, i asked them to disable the wifi on the gateway i had connected my router but it said there was no internet access
Ask your Cable provider to place your modem in Bridge mode. You want the Public IP on your wan port on your Router/ FW. Then disable the WiFi from the modems with WiFi built in.
Not every gateway supports bridge mode, and even the DMZ plus on some gateways is not a true "bridge" technically but it's close enough and will work fine. Good suggestion though
I just found out that you can use your own modem with att fiber! Now you still have to pay the modem fee because of something they signed in January 2019 but I feel like that is still a win. Just thought I would let everyone know
Will a bad cable modem bottleneck a router? I just bought a new router to add to my WiFi setup (I’m pretty sure it’s a cable modem. Has 4 Ethernet cables, but also has coax). My current modem is EXTREMELY old and runs off of 802.11 n (Technicolor TC8715D)
I also have a gateway through AT&T fiber. I just ordered a asus axe-16000 to up my gaming performance. So basically I hook the asus up to the gateway then disable WiFi on the gateway?
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Hopefully I explained this well enough. I tried to be as straightforward and to the point as possible!!
Love you peeps
John Glasscock What’s the best dns for Canada
@@hypebrickz667 Use DNS benchmark, it will give you the best DNS servers for your location
Greetings John, I've been having trouble of my setup but if you can help me what's the best setup I'll highly appreciated the recommendation. Anyways, I have DSL internet (10mps). They gave me A Techicolor TG788v v3 modem but I've been having some serious issues when I play online (using WiFi) I'm talking about 220 ping on BO4. Any solutions??
@@alexanderlopez4518 Where are you from?
@@JohnGlasscock I'm from Puerto Rico.
After seeing your name, I'll never look at a bong the same way again.
Glass 🐓
Fuuuuuuhhhhh
Damn. You guys been holding a glass˙˙˙˙ the whole time
I see he replied to every top comment but your lmao
I simply envision my wife practicing while using her water pipe.... (insert visual here) LMBO
Can you make a video on how to plug in electronic devices in a wall outlet for power
Lmao
@MR. BooteriHackWiFi 2.4ghz is better for range 5ghz is better for gaming
Dude yasss i accidentally got my penus in the outlet now i might be the father and i don't wanna try again until i see a how to
I never understand the bunch of lan cables that are on the gateway, what happens if I take them off because I feel like something bad would happen.
Wow dont watch it then pecker face
This is great! I told my ISP that I had my own modem and router. They tried to tell me that I couldn’t do that which is definitely not true in most cases.
I know this is a 4 year old video now but it has just solved a crazy double nat and lack of qos functionality issue ive been having in my home network. My new isp gateway suffers from terrible buffer bloat and has no modem only or bridge mode. Plus it uses carrier grade nat. I have an asus router running openwrt firmware and have had a nightmare trying to bridge them without either double nat or a los of qos. Now have a managed switch running pfsense qos and prioritizing traffic and have reverted the asus back to og firmware and running in ap mode and it seems to ve working well! Both my wife and i thank you john!
is there a way you can just come to my house and setup all this. my brain hurts 😢
Hahaha I'm sorry
Real talk I would pay... maybe a idea for you
Same here lol
Same
If anyone here is near Omaha NE, I can set it up no problem.
I realize I’m 4 years late, but this is the most informative and straightforward video I have found on the subject. Trying to connect a new MSI gaming router to ISP gateway and really wish I had watched this last week!
I really love your video I’m in the IT field and this is a great example of QoS in your network structure for daily users. Keep up the great work.
There's a bit of misinformation here unfortunately and quite a bit to address, but the major points being:
QoS *only* makes a difference if you're running into some form of contention and want to prioritize traffic. It's also not recommended on most consumer grade equipment and usually does more harm than good. QoS will *NOT* make traffic any less latent under normal conditions. I would advise heavily against its use for most consumers.
The double NAT thing isn't a problem in the scenario you provided. Double NAT is an issue when both DHCP servers are on the same network. In the diagram, the ISP provided equipment is only leasing a single address to the consumer router. It's better to put the ISP device into bridge mode, but stating that this scenario will cause problems isn't true unless you're attempting to port forward.
The "gateway" is really a 3-in-1, Router/Switch/AP. Usually poor versions of each.
The idea of having a "high performance" access point with a "low performance" access point is nonsense.
I would never in a million years spend that much money on lackluster Netgear equipment. If you're serious about your network but don't want to spend a fortune look into something like Ubiquiti.
Correction on double NAT, I don't know why I was conflating it with DHCP in my head, lack of sleep and all that. It's still not a problem unless you're port forwarding.
Knew someone else would've jumped on this haha.
Would the port forwarding problem persist even after putting the gateway on bridge mode?
@@mtl47 No, you are no longer NATing when the device is in bridge mode.
I'm kinda new to his videos, mainly because of doing research for tech he happens to have videos for. And one reoccurring theme I notice already is a consistent form of Misinformation.
Even the title here where it claims to teach how to turn an ISP router in to a Gaming router, is nothing more than a video about how to buy another piece of hardware to get the functionality out of the original hardware one tried to use in the first place.
I tell myself at least he is only effecting PS4 users, I mean they are on PSN so who the hell cares what their connection and online gaming experience is like. 😅
This is the most well explained video on this topic I've seen in a language that doesn't have too much "tech" in it. Well done, my dude!
If you want to use a third party router then put isp modem im bridge mode. Router then handles all ip addressing etc
Exactly
Except Ipv6 will not work correctly and you will be creating a bottleneck on your network. Those things wont affect most people but for me it's not acceptable
John Glasscock John Glasscock could you elaborate on this some more. This is how i am setup, Nighthawk R7000 along w/Spectrum internet. I have them bridging it to my Nighthawk. Sometimes things get haywire and I have to have them configure things when internet goes down, electrical issues, or power outage.
@@MexiChriS if you use my setup, you will be golden. I've spent hours experimenting with bridge mode. Its not beneficial in any way
@@MexiChriS You can disable IPv6 to mitigate problems but to me disabling ipv6 in 2018 doesnt make sense. Maybe 6 years ago or so but not anymore
Glasscock? God damn my ears do not deceive me... hahaha love it
I've been trying to find a solution for so long. I've opened port forwarded, amongst so many other options but this solutions helps the best and is explained the nicest.
This made me feel like I was in a high school lecture again
Instead it is interesting
I have a cable modem and connected it to a router to make it useful for more than one device. My modem is an Arris from the ISP. The connection as sold to me is 100 megabit but I often get more. That is only because I got rid of the old router which had no gigabit Ethernet and got one that does have it. I was not expecting gigabit speeds and was not really sure if I would see more than 100 megabit. To my pleasant surprise the better router allowed an extra 70 megabits to come through. Not all people will have the luck I had. I am using a TP-Link C7 router and they are usually good. Some people who reviewed them said they had problems with them but it is very difficult to know what they did to theirs, I had no problems at all!! I already had that extra boost in speed before the epidemic so that wasn't just my ISP being generous and making quarantining easier for me and other people. In a way I am glad for that extra bit of speed because they (like all the others) slowly raise your bill higher. It seems to me that the slowly rising price is more for TV service really.
If you have a gateway, have your ISP activate bridge mode for that device. Bridge mode will disable all routing, Nat, and DHCP.
This doesnt work for every provider unfortunately. Also, testing with bridge mode I've found a huge cut in speed/ throughput when using "bridge mode" on a high speed connection. Also, I encountered errors with IPv6 compatibility. There are people who have very good results using bridge mode but for me it was inconsistent and I wouldn't recommend it
John Glasscock the reason to use bridged mode is that you are then free to use whatever routing gear you want. It’s not going to work well if you just put the bridged connection straight into your managed switch. You should try Pfsense if you haven’t already.
@@backjonas I'm not saying to put a bridged connection into a managed switch ( which would actually work the same) I'm saying you can avoid bridge mode all together utilizing a different hardware set up. I'm familiar with "bridge mode" but have discovered through traffic monitoring that using at&t gateway doesnt provide a true bridge. It sort of simulates a bridge but has shortcomings
John Glasscock I am should get 1000 mbts but I only get about 250. My ISP is att fiber and my modem is on bridge mode. I have no problems other than this speed which is much more than enough for all devices I have home. Everything goes really nice
@@Chinitocuba you will get more speed if you take it out of bridge mode and use ethernet
I just want to mention real quick on the part with the gateway to proper 3rd party router, if you cannot get your provider to provide you with a modem, most gateways do have a feature called "bridge mode" this feature will essentially turn your gateway into a modem and then you have no problems when connecting your 3rd party router to it.
I was exactly going to say that... Why not putting you ISP into Gateway or modem mode and then you can make the router run everything!
Do you connect to the WAN port or LAN port in bridge mode?
@@Omar-tz6sl lan1 and wan.
@@Omar-tz6sl LAN
What if i am not using wifi just wired connection, would i still need to disconnect wifi on my isp router ?
I like these visuals, Mr. Glasscock :D
Jhon you deserve over 100 million subs your voice is chill your facts are facts and you have the most helpful videos eve
misinformation. in other words just buy a managed switch. you dont turn nothing into a gaming router
I didn't get any switch, but i followed your instructions and disabled dhcp on my access points. Nice improvement on response time.
Ps5 took this a bit too serious
Lol
Still better than the xfridge
@@DavidGuesswhat lmfao dead. True tho
How to make from a Rutter to a PS5. No hate on them so You guys can shut up With that bull.
xfridge looks way better than the psrouter
I don't understand the difference between the managed switch and a DHCP enabled gaming router.. Couldn't you just disable DHCP on the router and use the built in qos and wifi capabilities without it confusing the IP assignments from the cable/dsl gateway?
A guy from geeksquad tried to tell me that I needed a router for my games because most of their modems didn't have phone Ethernet and cable altogether.
Also, ensure there is no crosstalk noise from neighborhood routers broadcasting near the same frequency. 2.4GHz band has 11 channels; however, only 4 channels can be broadcast in close proximity due to overlapping boundaries. 5GHz doesn't suffer too much in overlap but it does have line-of-sight limits as well as interference from microwaves and incoming cell calls to nearby mobile devices.
Bro I’m getting AT&T tomorrow I’m getting a Gigabit up and down. So the only thing I need is a “SWITCH.” Also, do they have a gigabit “switch” because I want the best of the best.
Holy that’s fast
Atnt slow I use it for Xbox
So my isp is AT&T, not fiber optic as it isn’t in the area yet. I have their Pace 5268AC router. I also have a Linksys Velop Mesh WiFi system with 3 nodes. What are the best setting and best setup to achieve quality gaming without lag spikes and very high ping in the 100’s? You may not be familiar with the Velop mesh system but I’m going out on a limb here to try and find good help from someone who can point me in the right direction. My Xbox is across the home in a game room (wife won’t allow it anywhere else) and my router is next to the computer on the other side of the house this is why the mesh system was purchased. I now have a double nat all the time and a strict nat at all times. Before the mesh system I had no double nat and a moderate nat type but the router was so far away that I would lose connection 80% of the time and get kicked out of games.
damn def. appreciate the info sir thank you
Never had an issue with gaming until I switched to At&t their modem UI seems outdated and not user friendly. Been fighting this double NAT for a year now. Thank you for this information.
No problem, and yes i agree
Hey, John, I have a question for you. I just got 1GB fiber put into my apartment from AT&T. Now I am only getting 300 DL and 300 UL. I talked to the Tech and he said I could get more if I just add a router to my gateway. My question to you is it worth me buying a gaming router? Will I get more speed if I do that? It comes into my apartment as fiber then come out in a CAT 5 connection. he said also that as soon as I attach it that is disables the DCHP and give all handling to the new router? Thanks for the videos and I hope you can answer this for me.
Be grateful you have those speeds I get 30 dl and 4 ul can’t even play apex legends with no lag. But every other game runs okay
@@cookieboy1001 same bro
I have a Asus GT-AX11000 and a Netgear Nighthawk CM1200, i pay 1000Mbps but only getting Wifi 275 down and 41.1 up, Hardwire 575 down and 41.5 up, is there any functionality i need to change on the gaming router?
can you make a video on how to disable dchp on your other router
Maybe
John Glasscock
I have att fiber 1 GB speed and I’m stuck with their 5268AC modem/router. The WiFi speed sucks, so I bought a better gaming router (Zyxel Armor Z2) and I’m able to get 400-500 mbps w/ 4-5ms ping on WiFi (with 2.4 ghz disabled and using channel 157 on 5 ghz after using WiFi analyzer to see which channels are best for me) anyways, on Ethernet connection, I’m able to get 800-900mbps w/ 2-3ms ping also after connecting to google’s DNS and doing some other stuff on Windows like changing the bandwidth limitation from 80% to 0%, etc.
So my question is, you mentioned that having two routers with DCHP/NAT both enabled causes problems. What kind of problems? And how do I disable DCHP on my gaming router?
@@Dmarcuz there are some routers that have disabling DHCP automatically and others will let you disable DHCP by entering the IP address and subnetmask for your internet source modem or in you case, your other router. I use zyxel router and i find the settings in maintenance > LAN settings
Legit Plays I went into my router setting and looked under LAN and I disabled DHCP server and put googles DNS servers as user defines, but when I try to put att’s IP address and subnet it breaks the internet 😑
@@Dmarcuz i think at&t prevents that.
Was the IP address from the att router?
Thanks! Your the difference between poor connectivity and slaying in-game - on my wonky triple router + modem, family setup! For me this was the vid ^^
u make it more complicated. just use the router as ap mode
I have at&t fixed wireless which has the same setup as your fiber. I just live outside the normal internet gateway area. So since I live about 2 miles away from a cellular tower I actually have decent internet at up to 100 Mbps. I haven't had much issue with online gaming since I got it
So cable modem, to the switch, then to my nighthawk router. Then from the nighthawk to the ps4 or the switch to the ps4 im so confused
I think it should be from the switch to ps4.
Question that I might not get a answer too, If I have the worst internet going I’m talking I get a solid 6 on a good day. What is the best thing I can buy
*is there a way i can get lower ping if i have 1000 up 1000 down, but i live really far away from the host, thats the problem
help
if you live far away from the host then no because distance is the biggest factor for ping
John Glasscock so I’m screwed no matter what? There’s NOTHING I can do?!
@@relog unless there is a dedicated server closer to you then no. This is why I'm an advocate of P2P gaming
Thanks for all the information I understood it all. I'll need this for my gaming network setup
How I do this in my neighbor's router?
These IPS modems (i.e Connect Box) have "Bridge Mode" which basically disables all their functionalities and routes everything to Your router.
Yeah thats how I set up. I simply go into the comcast settings put bridge mode on. I got a nighthawk I can activate mu-mimo ofdma but unfortunately ipv6 isn't available yet in my area.
Yeah but some isp modems simply won't work with bridge mode enabled
@@parisarnett87 can you use a vpn?
Does that actually minimize your lag tho? I'm desperate guys... I just wanna play CoD on PS4.
My conputer is down. Can i still access this setting for my isp router/modem?
Wow, this is what i needed to understand the thing of the switch. Thank you a lot and im understanding more about my internet setup. Thank you alot and it was very good eplained. Keep the good work!
Glad it made sense! That was my goal with this vid trying to explain why and when to use a switch vs a gaming router
Hi bro, i hv xr500 and my gateway fiber model , so i put the xr500 Mac address into the dmz of the fiber gateway and my ps4 is connected into the xr500 and i put my ps4 ip in dmz on the xr500, open nat now and games is fine , is my setup fine ? The wireless devices is connected to the xr500 and the wifi is not enable in the gateway
You should be fine. Not every gateway has a DMZ function
Came back to this vid thanks
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Servers are trash on Bo4. Nothing will fix the connection
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@Cameron Watson NANI!! servers are fucking trash for me
I get like 15-30 ping
Servers are trash there 20hz
I get 60-70 ms
Your voice and cadence is just like Matt laidlaw
Thank you so much John!!! Really helpful. Have a great day!
If you want to use your own hardware, see if your gateway has some form of modem mode, mine does, it shuts down all wifi and ethernet functionality and just acts as a modem and this means that you don't need a switch, most modern wifi/ethernet routers have some form of ethernet and wifi based QoS or something that will allow you to set priority, netgear actually has an amazing GUI for wifi based priority but it does carry a premium.
for the first part of the video just use bridge mode (ip pass through ) in gateway this will pass the internet directly to the router to handle it and the gateway will switch off the wifi automatically
my setup is 5G modem+ netgear d7000 modem/router
thanks man, i was looking to see if i would still need a modem if i was switching over to a 3rd party router and found my answer, (though i believe that answer can still differ with some ISPs if they have those boxes on the side of the house) also it was a good refresher and extended lesson on SOHO networking.
My isp modem is beast with changing the advanced settings and having repeaters in our room upstairs
Most isp has a setting for tuning on/off modem mode also Called bridge mode. The isp provided modem/router, Will go into modem mode only, and shutoff All router functions like WiFi etc. You Can now have a aftermarket router in front of it.
My network is much more Stable and it handles stuff much better. No speed loss at All.
Ofc if you put aftermarket router in front of isp provided modem/router, WITHOUT modem mode / bridge. It Will be a mess.
Look into this with your isp, before you spend money on dedicated modem.
I have the same problem with att, I set my ISP receiver into bridge mode and my router handle all my network. Since it has QOS my network works great
I'm glad that is working for you! I had too many issues with that type of setup
If I bought a good enough gaming router would I be able to bypass using the switch? Or do I need the switch anyways
you don't need the switch
How about bridge mode it turns a gateway into a modem basically and you can also shut of firewall at least for me with Comcast which I have done and then use everything from my XR500 router.
Do i need bridge mode on my isp modem? What s best manage switch for gaming?
Thanks so much man you saved me so much time you just got a new sub!! I’ve been buying new routers and wondering why they never worked till you showed me why lol
Thanks for the support
I would recommend using ubiquiti wireless access points, as they are dedicated to provide the wireless network. Other than that, your setup works.
GLASSCOCK does your router have to be from the same company as your isp.. say im with sky.. so my router is sky and my isp is from sky.. can i change the router and the wifi will still work?
I dont know that depends on the company. You will have to call and ask
I have a Cellular Gateway which sucks so i got a Linksys AC1000 it worked no problems its a smart wifi
Great explanation buddy!!! Awesome!! I want to do the same thing. but, Optimum gave me their Gateway 6 Router, with no way of accessing the router's settings at all. I won't be able to turn off WiFi at all. I want to use the gaming router from Netgear you show in the illustration. Optimum says, ( on the router access page) that they are having trouble accessing the router. Which is a total lie. Why do you think they won't allow customers to access their router?? Thank you for all you do John. Bless you
This video has quite a bit of bad information.
1. You can put the gateway in bridge mode.
2. Double routers creates interference and loss of packets.
3. QOS prioritizes your gaming traffic, other traffic will be deprioritized.
4. Adding the switch is unnecessary and adds latency if you're adding a router.
My ISP managed to make me a static IP. Now i am using Asus RTAX82U as the main modem. And now i have an open Nat type. I still have my ISP modem (put aside). I want to add the RTAC53000 as a mesh node but im afraid it my stuff up my wifi
if youre not using a VPN your ISP can still throttle your connection to your game.. IIRC.. they ultimately still have control over the pipeline.
My setup is like yours
Work like dream
Keep up the good work
Thanks for the support I'm glad to hear that
Don’t get me wrong you’ve done a good job explaining everything, it’s not really true reflection of your title though, and definitely not cheap when your talking managed switches and a pairs of routers etc...
i feel like John is like the james bond of gaming
What I should do? I had Frontier Fios (Verizon fios) in Florida. But Im doing the Big NO you are saying on this video. I connect my nighthawk XR500 to my gateway(modem from my internet provider). What cheaper option I have?
John,
Recently, I tried to set my system up as you have but I seem to be running into a fee kinds with my Xbox One S.
I use a fiber provider in Des Moines Iowa called CenturyLink. CenturyLink is a parent company associated with AT&T. CenturyLink uses a modem/router combo gateway (either Actiontec or netgear if you are extremely lucky) i have 1G speeds with fiber but usually only get on average 300 down and around 700 up.
The gateway I have to use per the ISP is an Actiontec c3000a. I have logged into it and set my port forwarding and tried to change my DNS to Either a Cloudflare or OpenDNS server as that is what is recommend by Benchmark.
When i plug my ethernet into my PC i get a ping of 2ms with a download of usually 200mbps and an upload of 700 to 790mbps. When i do the same test on my xbox one s i get a ping between 25ms and 52ms and a download of 80-150mbps and an upload no higher than 60mpbs with 0 to 1% packet loss.
I also change the DNS of my xbox from automatic to manual and enter the DNS of the respective Cloudflare or openDNS servers to match what my gateway is using. This has little to no effect even when clearing the xbox mac address between changes (which i have read can sometimes help)
Ultimately, i am trying to reduce ping in multiplayer for games such as Battlefield 5 and Cod but, i seem to have issues replicating the low ping on my computer to my xbox.
From my gateway c3000A i have ports forwarded for battlefield, apex, and ghost recon games for better connectivity. I have the netgear S8000 switch with the gaming profile enabled and hardwired into my xbox. I then have my NIGHTHAWK 3200ACS in AP mode to handle all of my wifi concerns which is what I saw you do in another video.
No matter what I do, I cannot seem to lower my ping or get better speeds on the xbox and I have a suspicion that even though I am changing the DNS on my gateway, my ISP isn't really allowing the change.
Can you offer any suggestions on what to do from here? I dont understand how one on Microsoft based system (PC) i get one result and on another, it is completely different.
My ISP Bravado Wireless but i have a low spec tplink Archer Ax1500 router hooked up to my Bec 6300nel Ridgewave LTE Main modem. Combo I wish i could have Fiber internet i hate Rural Areas
You just call the ISP and they shut off the router functions on the gateway, then it becomes a dumb modem rather than a router. I have servers and things I run from home that need to be Subnetted off, not messing with ISP routing LOL.
I have a gateway and R7000 and im the only one using internet in my house just for my ps4 pro, pc, and phone. Cant I just bridge my Gateway and use my nighthawk? I left a comment on your last video about this in a little more detail but you put out this video today
You can. It's just not something I recommend for everyone after doing enough testing with it
I AM WITH SKY UK MY ISP I USE THE LATEST SKY Q ROUTER CAN I JUST GET ANOTHER BETTER ROUTER FOR GAMEING OR WILL IT COUSE ME MANY PROBLEMS??, GREAT VIDS BY THE WAY
Which router is best sir NETDUMA R1 or XR500
Shaik Saleem xr700 only has up to (wifi ac or 5) or the rax200 by netgear coming out soon. Gt ax11000 by asus also is sporting the new wifi 6!
Depends on your use. I have both. If you want to use the wifi extensively and if you use a lot of bandwidth (over 100mbit) use XR500, otherwise R1 will do. What you can also do with a R1 is run it along side your existing router, DMZ it and just use the geofilter. Then only connect your games console. If you don't want to use the geofilter then there is no reason to buy either as you can get better stuff for the price.
Dude in networking the only thing that helps latency and ping is to have the best solid connection to a good isp, working cat 6 cables, and only one person on the lan using the wan on a good day for the isp that hopefully takes care of its dns and mapping for its outside router directions.
Cat6 will not improve latency over Cat5e but I agree with the rest
Some gateways allow modem mode usually it’s hidden away in setup or administrative settings
In ap mode I lose parental controls for my wifi. Anyway around this?
what about modem mode if you have it ?
Thanks John, your setup makes so much sense for fast gamer.
Question, I've got a decent network up and running. Every device shows me high speeds except for the ps4, it's the only one that just won't give me high speeds. Any idea as to why the hell only the ps4 stays low in speed?
You can type get on gateway admin setting and shut off wireless signal
@ John as for the router I am using NETGEAR nighthawk xr700 7.2gb ad7200
Thanks this is a very informative video. Is there any other switches you could recommend? Or maybe a popular switch that has problems with gaming QoS?
Ubiquiti Edgeswitch is good if you're more technical or need power over ethernet
how do you know that they are forcing you to use their gateway????
I've got a gateway do you recommend me to buy any tp-link router that supports QoS and fiber cable?
Can we switch to modem mode from our broadband provider hub to own net gear hub...should work right?
I purchased the switch thinking I could plug my Xbox straight into the switch without having to use the router first, my internet speed is only 75down and 8up is this useless for me?
so what is if i use a gaming router like asus rog ac5300 with my gateway from isp ,, and disable dhcp in one of the devices ( the gateway or the router ) ?
I mean, you can try it but I've got mixed results depending on which router I'm using
It seems like it comes down to a compatibility issue.
You can put the gateway in bridge Mode so routing is disabled. That way you're only using Asus Rog to route traffic.
Your videos are very informative. I have a doubt though,i use a smart switch which has dhcp on(tplink-tl sg107-e) by default..should i leave it on. Or should i turn it off
I have comcast and use thier gateway due to have phone with them. If your gateway allows you to bridge it do it tjat turns the gateway into a modem and you can connwct your own router to it
How would a simple setup with precaution compare, like connecting high priority device(s) with ethernet and use it when other devices don't need internet.
For latency, I believe there is a video from LinusTechTips that suggests opting for a faster dns server. Don't remember if it was supposed to improve latency for games, but should be much easier to implement.
My isp is optimum, they said i can use my own router, i asked them to disable the wifi on the gateway i had connected my router but it said there was no internet access
Ask your Cable provider to place your modem in Bridge mode. You want the Public IP on your wan port on your Router/ FW. Then disable the WiFi from the modems with WiFi built in.
Not every gateway supports bridge mode, and even the DMZ plus on some gateways is not a true "bridge" technically but it's close enough and will work fine. Good suggestion though
never laughed so hard at an intro before
I just found out that you can use your own modem with att fiber! Now you still have to pay the modem fee because of something they signed in January 2019 but I feel like that is still a win. Just thought I would let everyone know
Will a bad cable modem bottleneck a router? I just bought a new router to add to my WiFi setup (I’m pretty sure it’s a cable modem. Has 4 Ethernet cables, but also has coax). My current modem is EXTREMELY old and runs off of 802.11 n (Technicolor TC8715D)
As always bro, thx for the video.👍👍👍👍
Thank you for the support
I also have a gateway through AT&T fiber. I just ordered a asus axe-16000 to up my gaming performance. So basically I hook the asus up to the gateway then disable WiFi on the gateway?
Do you just use the switch then or do you always need the ASUs router because you only showed the ASUS in the diagram when connecting via WiFi? Please