NOTE: This video provides instructions for configuring your router's antennas if you have a non-beamforming router. If you have a router that supports beamforming, I made a separate video detailing how to configure your router's antennas: th-cam.com/video/mah6R8BBUYI/w-d-xo.html
If you already knew this, why did you watch this? I'm tired of vids that have heavy accents and rush through the explanations to the point that I turn on the closed captions. He did a fine job with clarity and taking his time.
@@geogmz8277 technically no one was wrong, people just listen and register things at different speeds. Some people might not want the info so fast. Me personally I'd say 2.0 would be the best speed.
Ham radio operator here. We call this antenna polarization (vertical vs. horizontal vs. sloped). Another factor can be that many routers are multi-band, most are dual (at least older ones) and mine is a tri-band with six antennae. It's hard to know which antenna is on which band. I don't think I've ever seen a label. I'm pretty sure it's one antenna per band (2.4 GHz vs. 5.8 GHz). As you say, experiment, but expect that your first test may not give the best results. I once worked a New Years Eve activation at an EOC (Emergency Operations Center) where an agency stuck a magnetic mount antenna on a steel door (horizontal polarization) and couldn't talk to their dispatch center 6 blocks away. They asked me to look at it and I moved the antenna to a vertical polarization in a better location. Magic! They were solid into the dispatch center because the antennae over there were vertically polarized.
It varies, but individual Wi-Fi antennas that are used for all the different bands are quite common. I think I know the router he showed in the video, I had one once, and in fact I think all three of the external antennas are 5GHz only. For 2.4GHz it uses internal antennas that can't be moved or aimed at all!
Was literally looking for this information for my entire work life, nearly 20 years. Finally I got the information I was looking for. Thank you so much
Even though I'm pretty familiar with how RF works and how power is transmitted, I really enjoyed your video. You did an awesome job breaking it down in a way that's super clear and helpful for everyone. Thanks!
Unfortunately, you're just guessing, and you're guessing is incorrect. RF propagation does not work the way you think it does. What you're doing is attempting to change the polarization of the antenna which is not the same as its takeoff angle or its radiation pattern relative to the antenna or its ground plane. Moreover, omnidirectional antennas are not 100% omnidirectional, even in free space, much less the conditions that routers are being used in. There are far too many variables. If you really want to know what's occurring, there are antenna modeling programs. It's a relatively steep learning curve and it's going and it will take time to model the antenna that you have, but that's what you will have to do to even approach understanding what's actually occurring here. And that still will not account for other variables in the environment. I have no doubt that you've had success in reorienting the antennas, but there's a difference between correlation and causation. The good news, outside of the engineering principles here, the prescription is the same. Reorient the antennas until you have better connectivity and bandwidth, but it does not work the way you are claiming it does.
Good answer dude. There is also equiment to generate heatmaps (you can get them on wifi bands specifically) and create an accurate signal map but i guess it's outside the scope of an amateur user.
Yeah, we also have it acting in a phase array to add even more complexity on most newer routers. Finally your smart phone and laptop is unlikely to be perfect polarization.
Gotta say I was hoping it would at least dip into antenna theory and broadcast envelopes. Maybe a little on signal cancellation from pushing power on parallel antennas. Ah well.
What I got from this vid is how many people pop up to criticize! From the way you present these tips, to the flaws in your technical knowledge. Your vid is useful and helpful without getting too technical. Keep up your good work!
Thank you very much for the support, I really appreciate it! To your point, my goal was to make a video that wasn’t too technical so it would be useful for anyone that watched it. Everyone will likely have a different antenna configuration that works best for them in their home network, so it’s best to try different configurations and see which one gives you the best performance
it's not a "criticism". it's an involvement, feedback and "giving back something"... if it is taken in, it will improve the reach, and help more people.
It is technically criticism, but that doesn't make it bad. The video is somewhat useful and it's somewhat accurate. What it doesn't say is that if your home is larger than a couple of rooms, to have good coverage you can't really really on a single router's access point (which is often placed in suboptimal locations to boot). The only good way to cover a medium-to-large home is too use multiple access points placed in various locations, ideally centrally controlled, with wired backhaul. A simple ap-on-a-stick survey prior to placement will do wonders. If it's too much, then a simulation based on floorplan can be a poor man's substitute
Thank you for giving us more information about the configuration of the router's antennas because of the unidirectional antenna was taking into account your explanation.
Yeap. I switched to 1.5x within seconds of starting the clip. A few more seconds into it I upped it to 2x. And a few more seconds later I stopped it altogether 😂 and wrote this. Now I'm outta here
I am also a HAM with over 40 years experience n radio antennas and NAVY trained in AVIONICS and this guy is just lick he got any results at all. there is no such tech as slopped antenna orientation. Radio waves do well either vertical for omnidirectional and horizontal for directional but radio signals get confused at angles as their orientation is dictated by the magnetic fields of the earth. SO, do what you want but this guy is full of it. he knows noting about electronic engineering.
Also I doubt the polarization is the same after getting bounced all around a house by metallic objects. better luck by installing a WiFi access point in the basement, problem better solved that way
The static magnetic field of the earth has no impact on a Transverse E/M (TEM) wave that the antenna produces, At HF - VHF, the Earth's conductivity plays a part in propagation and for HF the ionospheric bounce is a factor. At WiFi frequencies, altering the antenna orientation may create a more favourable path to a blind spot, but so might putting a reflector behind the antennas or changing the orientation of the whole antenna array. If it's adaptive at all, none of this will likely do much.
I have 40 years land mobile radio experience. The antennas on a router are part of a MIMO or Diversity reception system. Each antenna can receive the signal from a device and diversity reception increases probability of reception. The best orientation for a single story building (in my case) is to place the outer two at plus and minus 45 degrees off center. Like rabbit ears. This because objects in the home like silvered mirrors and refrigerators distort the polarization of the signal as they refract around them. If you are trying to get signal to a basement or third story, adjusting an antenna 45 degrees off vertical also makes sense. The earth's static magnet field has little to do with local propagation.
Ive noticed that people who speak more slowly tend to get their point across to a larger audience but yes, 20% faster might be good. Thanks for the video.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I have tried to improve the pace of my more previous videos, so hopefully you find those more useful. Thanks again
Thanks for the video. It got me thinking about whether I'm doing mine right. I had to play at 1.5x just to make it sound normal. Also, please consider looking at the camera when you talk. It would be far more engaging.
You’re welcome! Thank you for the feedback. These are things I have been working to improve in my more recent videos, so hopefully you find them more engaging
@@network-from-home hi 2 router TP-Link Archer AX73 vs 2 router ASUS RT-AX55 which is better to buy?yes I plan to buy 2 router for big house with 2 floor, in my place is same range price. I look for who can cover more area and stable. I use 100 Mbps from my isp btw
Thank you thats great but i have a question.. Ihave a poor coverage in my apartment and my router goes from 0.5mbs to 600mbs!! Because i live kinda in the border of the 5G tower..so which cheap router option with high catching signal do you offer? I even don’t know how to measure and compare different routers in catching signals and I prefer to change router instead of trying antennas
@l3zoxl thanks for reaching out. One thing I want to make clear is that a 5g cellular tower shouldn't have any impact on your internet connection. It sounds like you may just want to adjust the antennas on your router to ensure the areas in your home where you access the internet get a strong internet signal. Another option you might want to look at here is a mesh WiFi router. These routers allow you to place multiple router endpoints throughout your home to ensure you get a strong WiFi signal everywhere. I hope this helps!
Finally thanks, the basics is what I needed. The router antennas send signals to the nearby devices. The router antennas do not receive wifi signals. Thanks for explaining. I almost bought a $300 lpda antenna that I was going to connect to my TpLink routers antenna jacks.
Thanks for sharing that 3 minutes of info in 10 minutes...I actually do appreciate your effort, but you should just hit the summary, we're not engineering satellite coms to Saturn. :)
The video was fine. If you chose this video you probably need to take it at the pace you provided. If people think it was 3 minutes of info in 10, they probably think they know better and should just move on! Pace, content, lighting and audio were better than most. Keep up the good work.
While I do think that you speak with a slower cadence and some of the info shared was repeated, I welcomed it. I am a novice at this. I've subscribed, I look fwd to checking out more from the channel, thanks for the content!
@brucefay5126 yes, the signal on most WiFi antennas is linearly polarized, which is why the signals come out horizontally from the length of the antenna.
if you grew up in the early years of TV and radio with antennas then you would have probably move them around to get a better picture or sound. Same principle with the router antennas but with different signals. This video gave us mere mortals some clue as what to tinker around for better reception. Some comments are far too advance for the regular folks.
Thank you very much for the support. You absolutely nailed the intent of this video: it is meant to help the everyday internet user without diving too deeply into the technical details
Thanks! I've kept my modem and antennas in the same position for years. But lately I've been having streaming dropouts, and was seeking a solution. I'll try these tips and see how I go.
You are making a great effort to help people and to describe your efforts at getting better connectivity. There several comments here that are not kind and you should not pay attention to them except for the technical parts. My only comments here are that in my setting, in my Wi-Fi setup, I adjusted the antennas straight up and down and didn’t see much difference. So, I put in a big effort to go to an Ethernet wired network and all I have to worry about now is my neighbor trying to sneak into my Wi-Fi network. And yes, it is passworded and I periodically scan connected devices for signal theft. Have a good day.
Thank you very much for your kind words. Everyone will likely have different results when configuring the antennas of their routers, but using Ethernet connections to the internet will undoubtedly give you the best results!
good info, but what you fail to realize is when angling a bi-polar antenna, a null is created at the axis (aka the line that runs through the base and tip ) so when angled, though you would get penetration above and below, it would only radiate to 1/2 of the living area, as the antenna axis is pointing in the opposite direction, resulting in no signal to the other half of the living area. The fix is simple enough, for the example you give. Angle one antenna at 45* angle the other at -45* and the third antenna at 90*. Leaving the 2 remaining antenna at 90* does nothing more for signal strength than having only one at 90*, as you suggest.
Great video. Just stopped over because I saw the video listed on the right hand side. One thing I discovered with wi-fi is, placing my wi-fi access point in the middle of my home. I also did this in my friends familys homes and it fixed most of the wi-fi problems. my setup on the antennas is, the left and right are pointed towards the left and right sides of the home. While the two middle ones stay up for the upper floor. My wi-fi ap sits up half way to get the best coverage through the home. The other thing to note is power. How much signal the router or wi-fi access point puts out will determine the range your home will get. The Wi-Fi ap I have installed is TP-Link AC1200 Wireless Gigabit Access Point that you can buy at any electronics site
I’m not sure what specific modem you’re referring to, but my guess here is that the manufacturer is recommending this configuration because they feel it will result in a WiFi signal pattern that will work well for most of their customers. I know that’s not the best answer but that’s the explanation that makes the most sense to me
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I was having horrible Bluetooth range issues with the wifi/bluetooth card in my desktop computer so I decided to just try the angling the antenna towards specific areas of my home since I figured it might work in a similar way. Turns out it works amazing now, I can walk all the way to the kitchen while still having my Bluetooth headphones stay connected when before it would disconnect!
Thank you for effort. You explained some tricks of the trade that we all need. Perhaps a bit shorter presentation will be beffer as everyone is short of time. Thank you you did good job.
Thank you very much! I have been working on being more concise in my more recent videos. I would love to hear if you think my videos have improved. Any other feedback you have is greatly appreciated!
I watched your video. Set up my router exactly how you explained. My signal to every corner of my house improved at least 40%. (Prev : 40%, Now : 80%) My PC is now gaining sufficient signal even for 5 Ghz band, and I'm getting 99.99% speed and connectivity of my connection plan. Now I came here to type this comment. 5:235:255:255:265:27
Clarification: my ISP states in their ads that the maximum speed of this particular subscription package is 50 mbps, but it turns out it can go maximum of 70 mbps My connection is 50 Mbps but on the 2nd floor my wifi extender only got around 20 Mbps, saw this video and I immediately moved my extender antenna horizontally and the other one at 45 degree angle and IT JUMPED TO 70 MBPS IMMEDIATELY??? WHAT KIND OF BLACK MAGIC IS THIS thank you so much by the way 👍👍👍
@@network-from-home you are very welcome! thank you for this very life-saving-from-frustration video 😂 also a little update, I don't know who messed up with the position of the router so my connection of 2nd floor dropped to 10 Mbps, now this time I put two of my 1st floor antenna horizontally and all of the 2nd floor extender antenna horizontally too and it goes back again at 70 Mbps 👍
I could have watched this all night 🙂 What if your antennas only move from left to right and not back and forth ? I have a TP Link also but it`s a 4G LTE Router with a simcard.
If the movement of your router’s antennas are limited, you’ll just have to do the best you can. Try a few different antenna configurations and see which one gives your devices the best performance. Good luck!
Thank you for the feedback. I have been working on making my videos more concise, so hopefully my more recent videos are more useful. Thanks for checking out the video as well!
Thank you for this great video! It also helps to have an external Wi-Fi adapter with articulating antennas. They mean more polarization choices and often better signal quality. BTW, routers or modem/routers with internal antennas are way harder to "aim", because who knows how and why and OEM placed (usually) printed circuit antennas inside?
Thank you very much! I’m glad the video was helpful. I agree, it can definitely be frustrating with a router with internal antennas; it just seems like you have one less thing that you have control over with internal antennas
@@network-from-home hi 2 router TP-Link Archer AX73 vs 2 router ASUS RT-AX55 which is better to buy? yes I plan to buy 2 router for big house with 2 floor, in my place is same range price. I look for who can cover more area and stable. I use 100 Mbps from my isp
If you’re going to use 2 routers, have you thought about buying a router and a wireless access point(s)? That might be a better option if you have a large home
There no simple solution here unfortunately. Your best bet would be to either position your router or your device so that the WiFi signal doesn’t have to go through the cement walls (I realize this might not be possible in your current situation). I hope this helps!
@@network-from-home It can also definitely help if you trying to access your wifi inside of your home, as walls are worse than windows for access. When outside, all the windows make a better access point than walls blocking some of that signal. Specially with strong wall construction.
What about a device that works via wifi? I bought a wifi security camera, and I mounted it in a pole outside my house. Do you have any advice for how should I position the two antennas in the camera for optimal signal?
@User-jr7vf great question. The rules that apply to your router are the same ones I would apply to your camera. I would position the antennas on your camera so that they are perpendicular to the direction of your router. You need to ensure the camera gets a good WiFi signal, and aligning the antennas this way should do the trick (as long as it is within range of your router's WiFi signal).
I've repaired a few or so wireless security cameras. All of them I've looked at only have on real antenna and one fake antenna. Which one is real or not can sometimes be seen from the back.
Thank you ever so much !!!! Sound simple, perhaps? but not knowing that I wouldn't solved my issue with smart lights outside my house, who would have thought!!!! Great video!!!!
Rather than tilting your antenna, put a separate WiFi router to the basement (unless your walls are made of wood). 5GHz does not penetrate building structures very well at all in the first place. Also, those particular multiple antennas are meant to facilitate multiple users (several separate RX/TX pairs), not just different directions. You want the Sending and receiving antennas to be in the same direction (polarization) in order to maximize your signal. Multiple antennas also make use of antenna diversity to counter small-scale fading. Of course, nothing wrong in using it the way you did.
Useful subject! I'm trying to improve the signal to downstairs, the router being upstairs; it's a wifi6 xr1000 gaming router. I'm using a signal analyzer on my cell, and I'm not seeing much of a difference moving the antennas. It's a good 5Ghz signal for streaming, but not as strong as I would like. I'm getting a good workout running up and down the stairs, however :P
@jamcdona if moving the antennas does not give you a great boost when it comes to your WiFi signal, you may want to look into moving your router (if possible). With that said, it sounds like you are still getting adequate signal with your router where it is. You might not want to mess with it too much!
I would like to update that I hit the reset button, then installed an update, and now it's working well. I think that it had a botched update last summer and I just got it working enough to limp along by powering it off and on. A lot. LOL. The biggest gain was from my work laptop with a wifi 6E card...I'm ordering one for my home laptop now...thanks again for your videos.@@network-from-home
You want your antennas straight up. Practically any router in the last few years has some form of beamforming. It will direct the signal towards the device sending/receiving data. I've tested this several times and ALWAYS, ALWAYS having all 4x antennas straight up gave me the best signal at the longest ranges. It's good that they CAN move because you may want to mount your router onto a wall.
Antenna signal direction as described in the video is important, but probably less important than the polarization when using WiFi indoors. This is because you also have to take into account the polarization of the receiving antenna which will be widely affected by the indoor transmissions because of reflections and diffraction effects. This is what you referred to when you explained how the radio signal is emitted from the antenna. If your receiving antenna has a horizontal orientation and the transmitting antenna is vertically oriented then the coupling between the transmit and receive antenna is not very good (and vice versa). This is further complicated because of the many reflections indoors. Generally reflections and diffractions indoors do not change the vertical or horizontal polarization of a radio signal. A good rule of thumb is to arrange the antennas in a diagonal orientation so the antenna will produce a radio signal with a good horizontal and vertical polarization. That way the antenna on your device whether oriented vertically or horizontally will get a better signal. So you'll get a better signal whether you use your phone sitting up or lying down. Most notebook computers a vertical antenna embedded in the screen and most people will not use their notebook screen at a vertical angle. This is why you get a better reception with old TVs with rabbit ear antennas when you try to adjust the angle of the "rabbit ears" in a diagonal manner and then turn them around to look for the best signal. Actually, in the US, television signals are transmitted in a horizontal orientation that's why the old outdoor TV antennas were oriented in a horizontal orientation. But when the TV signal enters a house, the signals get diffracted, refracted and reflected so they are almost never horizontal when the signal gets indoors. The TV signals acquire a vertical and horizontal orientation and so the best adjustments for a TV antenna usually happen when the antenna is arranged in a diagonal angle to catch the best of both worlds. Arranging your WiFi antenna in a diagonal direction will give you the best intermediate signal level for most devices you will connect to the WiFi router. Of course this is just a rule of thumb and actual fiddling with the antenna angles can increase or decrease signals for specific devices, especially if the device does not move around much, like your PS2. Final note, arranging your antenna to look downwards at an angle aimed at the basement will probably not help much unless you only have wooden floors. WiFi signals don't do well going through concrete. You would be better off leaving the basement door open or putting the router close to the basement door.
"what your going to need to learn first" just tell me what I need to know. "I'm gonna get into that" stop announcing what you're going to do in a 3 minute fucking video and literally JUST GET INTO IT. total waste of time.
For routers without antennas, they will have internal antennas, much like your cell phone does. In these cases, the device will emit WiFi signal equally in all directions. I hope this helps!
@@network-from-home This is exactly i was going to ask at the begining as i have one without antennas. Now it is clear. Now, i keep this router downstair where i sit, but i do feel the signal is weaker upstairs. So, what shall i do to get good signal upstairs too by this routers without antennas ? Thank you,
It is not so simple as you presented. In theory yes, but especially nowadays when routers use phase shifting to different antennas to direct the signal, you might get in trouble by doing that. And there are different antennas for the two WiFi bands...
Thank you for the feedback! In my case, my router sends 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WiFi signals out of each antenna. I realize that may not be the case with all routers, however
Left out of this magic pile is the orientation of the client device. With newer standards, beam steering and forming is a thing which would require antennas to be oriented per the instructions!
you don't have to be limited to tilting the antenna back, you can rotate the antenna left or right. for those that are OCD and need to have the antenna look pretty rotate the one on the left 45º to the left, have the center antenna vertical, and rotate the right antenna 45º to the right.
My router has a dedicated spot on the main fuse box which is on the living room wall. The spot is like a sleeve slot so the router base is sideways on the wall vertically. So the antennas can mostly point left, right and straight into the room with some up and down adjustability. It works quite well, the coverage in the bedroom is decent and as I live in an apartment it won't radiate too much outside the front door to the building hallway which is better security wise I guess. But inspired by this video, I was able to get a better signal into the bedroom whic is nice.
I tbought you would get into more details on how the antenna actually worked, via diagrams of magnetic and electric fields etc. Isn't therecan issue with constructive and destructive interference between multiple antennas that are parallel with each other? Won't they cause regions with no signal because of that interference? Also radio transmission and reception depend on the antennas on both ends of the connection. So isnt the position and orientation of the remote devices just as important as the orientation of the base station antennas?
Depending on the router antenna positioning and performance can be more complicated than this explanation. Your routers handbook should explain how antennas should be positioned and if it uses MIMO technology it is important to follow those instructions as offsetting antennas will cause beamforming and other MIMO RF techniques to underperform. Beamforming involves coordinating the antennas to send signals in a specific direction towards the receiver rather than broadcasting in all directions. To work all antennas have to be in the same orientation. Instead of signals being sent in all directions, they're directed, electronically, exactly where they need to go. This can increase the signal strength and reduce interference.
This is a great point, thank you for sharing. My router instructs me to orient the antennas as I detailed in the video, but with newer standards this is an important caveat!
beamforming is from phased array, not MIMO, but other than that, yeah. most likely center vertical and the outer ones 45° and directly away from the vertical center one. And with MIMO and phased arrays it is important.
Better at 2X playback speed. A bit of very useful information delivered as though we are 2nd grade kids. Eliminate redundancy. Concise delivery and you can be a you-tube rock-star.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I have been working on making my videos more concise, hopefully you find my more recent videos more valuable. Thanks again!
NEVER position the router next to you or in a place where you spend most of your time in the house (including sleeping). Place it in the hallway, if possible. Use cabled network whenever possible (even if you have to have a 50 ft. cables). I don't use WiFi in my house, but live in a big building, so have plenty of neighbors polluting me. If you must use WiFi, try disabling 2.4GHz (most used with most interference these days) and try 5GHz only. Less radiation (than using multiband) and much less interference.
This is overly simplistic- RF propagation from vertical antennas does not work quite like that. And it's not just the antennas that radiate RF- the router chassis itself is also radiating to some degree. Also, you have not addressed beamforming and other adaptive behavior that the more capable routers employ.
You should be able to access your router’s settings and turn on stronger encryption. This will likely help the security of your router. I hope this helps!
The signal from the antenna radiates out in all directions vertical and horizontal like a ball. You are more likely getting better reception because you are matching the antenna orientation of the transmitters and receivers. If your transmitter antenna is in a vertical position your receiver needs to be the same vertical and horizontal with horizontal. A laptop's wifi antenna is in the laptop screen which most people use on a 45ish deg viewing angle which also orients the antenna the same. Having your antenna at a 45 deg matches more closely with your laptop screen. The direction the radio signal radiates out and up but not so much down has more to do with the ground plane of the antenna which is likely built into the PCB of the router. So if you want point the signal down you want to change the orientation of the entire router, not just the antenna. Mount the router upside-down on the ceiling might work just as well.
It is definitely worth mounting your antenna in a high location. That will help maximize your WiFi coverage because WiFi signals tend to reflect down as opposed to upwards
Perhaps it's today's society. We are a people of information slammed at us in 60 sec or less. With flashes and tunes and fast talking individual's. I enjoyed having to slow down and actually listen. It reminds me of school when teachers actually took the time to break down a problem and go over each step. Listen once and you usually got it the first time.
Am a bit into radio amateur stuff and i have studied antennas i orient my wifi anetann so they are perpendicular to each others, so in case of 2 antenna i make them in V shape form if the router have 3 then i would suggest to make them in X Y Z axis having 2 antenna or 3 in the same orientation make them interfer with each other's and make the signal unstable
This sounds like a good approach to me! The important thing to note is that everyone will likely have a different antenna orientation that works best for them
Another Ham operator here. I had to watch this a couple of times to understand EXACTLY what you were saying -- in obvious layman rather than technical terms. You initially threw me when you said that your vertically positioned antennas broadcasted on a horizontal plane (of course i paraphrase). I would guess you understand antenna theory pretty well, yet I don't think I heard the term polarization even once from you. The way you explained it, is adequate and was done well enough, but you can see all the butt-hurt folks (mostly ham radio guys) who ONLY recognize the use of "Vertical" and "Horizontal" (when speaking in antenna terms) as a form of polarization. In their technical world, when an antenna is oriented vertical, it is polarized vertical and the receiving antenna generally receives in the same vertical polarization. You obviously have lots of ham radio guys who watch you so you maybe should make some clarifications for them -- otherwise a lot of those old grumpy SAD HAMS will jump you in a heartbeat, thinking you dont know what you are talking about. You ARE correct (polarization aside) as a vertical antenna transmits it resonates (1/2 of the wave oscillates vertically upward and then the other 1/2 of the wave oscillates vertically downward -- in a wave pattern, perpendicularly away from the orientation of the antenna), if it is a vertically orientated antenna, it does radiate away from the antenna toward the horizon mostly in a horizontal direction as you say, (but for the ham guys somewhere between the presently controversial 5 degrees from the horizon to even near vertical -- nearly straight up). Don't let this ancient, old Ham Radio farts get you down. They know everything and if you don't believe them they will try and tell you again, and again, just in more brusk terms. They are bone-headed, sad, and unable to communicate to anyone under the age of 90. You are pretty darned correct in just what you say. You just use terms that are more modern and able to be understood by the young folks. Keep up the good work.
8:15 to tell people to set 2 anttenas u and 1 at a 45. In old R/C Modrl Planes on 72 Mhz you would see guys point there Anttenas at the plane when it was farthest away and wonder why it Crashed or just Flew away. Even worse noe with 2.4Ghz Radios point the Antena at the Plane when it farthest away.
Thank you for watching! Believe it or not, I actually edited the video in an attempt to make it more concise. This is something I have been working on, so hopefully you find my more recent videos more valuable
@network-from-home it's so valuable! And being that slow is very helpful for people like me who's their English is a second language and may struggle with some fast native accent 😅 thank you again 🙏🏻
Metal surroundings can definitely have a large impact your WiFi signal. Everyone will likely have a different experience based upon the layout/configuration of their home (and what it's made of). Thank you for sharing that!
- Consumer grade wifi antennas are 1.3~1.5 db, which means the transmission profile is spherical in nature and has a range of approximately 100~150 feet. Changing the antennas to a 10 db gives a transmission profile resembling a donut with a range of 1000~1200 feet. The higher the db value of wifi antenna the more directional the transmission profile becomes. Routers with built in antennas do not allow antenna switching. If your wifi setup is experiencing dead zones then bridge a secondary router connected via a cat5 or better ethernet cable between each router and placing them at different placements to enhance the overall wifi signal.
@@BrianG61UK I suggest that more research is required on your part. To keep it simple, the higher the dB value the more the transmissions become donut shaped and more directional it becomes. This is a fact and mathematical.
NOTE: This video provides instructions for configuring your router's antennas if you have a non-beamforming router. If you have a router that supports beamforming, I made a separate video detailing how to configure your router's antennas: th-cam.com/video/mah6R8BBUYI/w-d-xo.html
I knew this from being a radio operator in the military.
Talk about taking your time to deliver three minutes of information.
30 seconds, concisely with a diagram.
He's try to increase his wartch time for more income. I believe!!!!!
@@aquaserpent26 He's *trying
If you already knew this, why did you watch this? I'm tired of vids that have heavy accents and rush through the explanations to the point that I turn on the closed captions. He did a fine job with clarity and taking his time.
Good information but had to watch the video at 1.5x speed.
@dolan-duk thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
Thanks for suggesting the speed😂
Once I saw ur comment I did the same. Thanks for saving me some time.
Wrong 1.75... Got the best results.
@@geogmz8277 technically no one was wrong, people just listen and register things at different speeds. Some people might not want the info so fast. Me personally I'd say 2.0 would be the best speed.
Ham radio operator here. We call this antenna polarization (vertical vs. horizontal vs. sloped). Another factor can be that many routers are multi-band, most are dual (at least older ones) and mine is a tri-band with six antennae. It's hard to know which antenna is on which band. I don't think I've ever seen a label. I'm pretty sure it's one antenna per band (2.4 GHz vs. 5.8 GHz). As you say, experiment, but expect that your first test may not give the best results.
I once worked a New Years Eve activation at an EOC (Emergency Operations Center) where an agency stuck a magnetic mount antenna on a steel door (horizontal polarization) and couldn't talk to their dispatch center 6 blocks away. They asked me to look at it and I moved the antenna to a vertical polarization in a better location. Magic! They were solid into the dispatch center because the antennae over there were vertically polarized.
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It varies, but individual Wi-Fi antennas that are used for all the different bands are quite common.
I think I know the router he showed in the video, I had one once, and in fact I think all three of the external antennas are 5GHz only. For 2.4GHz it uses internal antennas that can't be moved or aimed at all!
Attach only one antenna and test which bands have good signal. Repeat for the rest.
MIMO and phased arrays come into play on newer routers, all antennas are on both bands for this to work. (802.11ac and newer)
Was literally looking for this information for my entire work life, nearly 20 years. Finally I got the information I was looking for. Thank you so much
You’re so welcome! Thank you for checking out the video!
Damn!!!
Even though I'm pretty familiar with how RF works and how power is transmitted, I really enjoyed your video. You did an awesome job breaking it down in a way that's super clear and helpful for everyone. Thanks!
I’m glad you found this video helpful! Thank you so much!
Why is everyone in such a big hurry. The man is informative. Slow down and smell the roses !
Thank you for the support!
They tried their best to show some humor. They don't mean to be mean.
Thank you for saying that
Unfortunately, you're just guessing, and you're guessing is incorrect. RF propagation does not work the way you think it does. What you're doing is attempting to change the polarization of the antenna which is not the same as its takeoff angle or its radiation pattern relative to the antenna or its ground plane. Moreover, omnidirectional antennas are not 100% omnidirectional, even in free space, much less the conditions that routers are being used in. There are far too many variables.
If you really want to know what's occurring, there are antenna modeling programs. It's a relatively steep learning curve and it's going and it will take time to model the antenna that you have, but that's what you will have to do to even approach understanding what's actually occurring here. And that still will not account for other variables in the environment.
I have no doubt that you've had success in reorienting the antennas, but there's a difference between correlation and causation. The good news, outside of the engineering principles here, the prescription is the same. Reorient the antennas until you have better connectivity and bandwidth, but it does not work the way you are claiming it does.
Good answer dude. There is also equiment to generate heatmaps (you can get them on wifi bands specifically) and create an accurate signal map but i guess it's outside the scope of an amateur user.
Of course. Indoor use has other factors
Yeah, we also have it acting in a phase array to add even more complexity on most newer routers. Finally your smart phone and laptop is unlikely to be perfect polarization.
Mine doesn't have external antennas.
Gotta say I was hoping it would at least dip into antenna theory and broadcast envelopes. Maybe a little on signal cancellation from pushing power on parallel antennas. Ah well.
Play at 1.25x for normal speed. Play at 1.75x or more to still have time in your life to catch your kids baseball game
Another troll with an insult.
@rvnmedic1968 you're wayyy too old to be trolling the TH-cam comment sections with insults.
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I feel your pain! I was using 1.5x playback speed and wasn't enough.
What I got from this vid is how many people pop up to criticize! From the way you present these tips, to the flaws in your technical knowledge. Your vid is useful and helpful without getting too technical. Keep up your good work!
Thank you very much for the support, I really appreciate it! To your point, my goal was to make a video that wasn’t too technical so it would be useful for anyone that watched it. Everyone will likely have a different antenna configuration that works best for them in their home network, so it’s best to try different configurations and see which one gives you the best performance
Thank you for sharing a very useful idea. You already have driven home the point. I don’t understand why many people here are still so fussy?
Thank you for the support!
it's not a "criticism". it's an involvement, feedback and "giving back something"...
if it is taken in, it will improve the reach, and help more people.
It is technically criticism, but that doesn't make it bad.
The video is somewhat useful and it's somewhat accurate.
What it doesn't say is that if your home is larger than a couple of rooms, to have good coverage you can't really really on a single router's access point (which is often placed in suboptimal locations to boot).
The only good way to cover a medium-to-large home is too use multiple access points placed in various locations, ideally centrally controlled, with wired backhaul.
A simple ap-on-a-stick survey prior to placement will do wonders. If it's too much, then a simulation based on floorplan can be a poor man's substitute
Thank you for giving us more information about the configuration of the router's antennas because of the unidirectional antenna was taking into account your explanation.
You’re welcome! I’m glad the video was helpful for you
Please could you give us more about the number of antennas (if Ihave 2 or three or more, what is the limit)?as parameter.
talking too much .. can you go direct to the point...
he didnt have a point and the point he didnt have was wrong. its just a 10min video to shoe horn adverts in.
It was the slow talking for me.. I just listened to it at x1.25. Still sounds natural but at a normal speaking rhythm.
Yeap. I switched to 1.5x within seconds of starting the clip. A few more seconds into it I upped it to 2x. And a few more seconds later I stopped it altogether 😂 and wrote this. Now I'm outta here
I am also a HAM with over 40 years experience n radio antennas and NAVY trained in AVIONICS and this guy is just lick he got any results at all. there is no such tech as slopped antenna orientation. Radio waves do well either vertical for omnidirectional and horizontal for directional but radio signals get confused at angles as their orientation is dictated by the magnetic fields of the earth. SO, do what you want but this guy is full of it. he knows noting about electronic engineering.
Also I doubt the polarization is the same after getting bounced all around a house by metallic objects. better luck by installing a WiFi access point in the basement, problem better solved that way
Those ground station K-Band satelite aerials are in trouble then. . . .
Exactly! It's all about E or H fields. Placing an E field in any other position than vertical reduces mutual coupling. (function of Sine or Cosine)
The static magnetic field of the earth has no impact on a Transverse E/M (TEM) wave that the antenna produces, At HF - VHF, the Earth's conductivity plays a part in propagation and for HF the ionospheric bounce is a factor. At WiFi frequencies, altering the antenna orientation may create a more favourable path to a blind spot, but so might putting a reflector behind the antennas or changing the orientation of the whole antenna array. If it's adaptive at all, none of this will likely do much.
I have 40 years land mobile radio experience. The antennas on a router are part of a MIMO or Diversity reception system. Each antenna can receive the signal from a device and diversity reception increases probability of reception. The best orientation for a single story building (in my case) is to place the outer two at plus and minus 45 degrees off center. Like rabbit ears. This because objects in the home like silvered mirrors and refrigerators distort the polarization of the signal as they refract around them. If you are trying to get signal to a basement or third story, adjusting an antenna 45 degrees off vertical also makes sense. The earth's static magnet field has little to do with local propagation.
Ive noticed that people who speak more slowly tend to get their point across to a larger audience but yes, 20% faster might be good. Thanks for the video.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I have tried to improve the pace of my more previous videos, so hopefully you find those more useful. Thanks again
Thanks for the video. It got me thinking about whether I'm doing mine right. I had to play at 1.5x just to make it sound normal. Also, please consider looking at the camera when you talk. It would be far more engaging.
You’re welcome! Thank you for the feedback. These are things I have been working to improve in my more recent videos, so hopefully you find them more engaging
Thanks muchly! I moved two of my 4 antennas to work for downstairs. A very noticeable improvement in speed and signal strength.
I'm happy to hear this was helpful for you. You're welcome!
@@network-from-home hi 2 router TP-Link Archer AX73 vs 2 router ASUS RT-AX55 which is better to buy?yes I plan to buy 2 router for big house with 2 floor, in my place is same range price. I look for who can cover more area and stable. I use 100 Mbps from my isp btw
I found lots of theory on configuring Wi-Fi router. Thank you for taking the pain in making it.
You’re welcome! Thank you for the kind feedback, and thank you for watching
Thank you thats great but i have a question..
Ihave a poor coverage in my apartment and my router goes from 0.5mbs to 600mbs!! Because i live kinda in the border of the 5G tower..so which cheap router option with high catching signal do you offer?
I even don’t know how to measure and compare different routers in catching signals and I prefer to change router instead of trying antennas
@l3zoxl thanks for reaching out. One thing I want to make clear is that a 5g cellular tower shouldn't have any impact on your internet connection. It sounds like you may just want to adjust the antennas on your router to ensure the areas in your home where you access the internet get a strong internet signal. Another option you might want to look at here is a mesh WiFi router. These routers allow you to place multiple router endpoints throughout your home to ensure you get a strong WiFi signal everywhere. I hope this helps!
Finally thanks, the basics is what I needed. The router antennas send signals to the nearby devices. The router antennas do not receive wifi signals. Thanks for explaining. I almost bought a $300 lpda antenna that I was going to connect to my TpLink routers antenna jacks.
I’m glad this video helped. To clarify, your router antennas send and receive WiFi signals during communication with your devices
Thanks for sharing that 3 minutes of info in 10 minutes...I actually do appreciate your effort, but you should just hit the summary, we're not engineering satellite coms to Saturn. :)
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!
Yeah...the repetition was painful.
The video was fine. If you chose this video you probably need to take it at the pace you provided. If people think it was 3 minutes of info in 10, they probably think they know better and should just move on! Pace, content, lighting and audio were better than most. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the feedback! I’m hoping my videos continue to improve moving forward as I continue to work on my pacing 😊
I had a similar router and would angle one vertically, one horizontal and one to the side. Worked fine.
Yeah it sounds like with that orientation you would have all directions covered!
Glad you explained it so thoroughly, but you went 10 minutes for a 3 minute information. It is really exhausting to listen to.
I’m sorry to hear that. Thank you for the feedback. I have been working on making my more recent videos more precise and to the point
Nah don't listen to this killjoy, great explanation
While I do think that you speak with a slower cadence and some of the info shared was repeated, I welcomed it. I am a novice at this. I've subscribed, I look fwd to checking out more from the channel, thanks for the content!
Excellent! I’m glad the video helped you. Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it
Is the signal from the antenna polarized? If so, that would play into decisions about orientation.
@brucefay5126 yes, the signal on most WiFi antennas is linearly polarized, which is why the signals come out horizontally from the length of the antenna.
if you grew up in the early years of TV and radio with antennas then you would have probably move them around to get a better picture or sound. Same principle with the router antennas but with different signals. This video gave us mere mortals some clue as what to tinker around for better reception. Some comments are far too advance for the regular folks.
Thank you very much for the support. You absolutely nailed the intent of this video: it is meant to help the everyday internet user without diving too deeply into the technical details
Thanks! I've kept my modem and antennas in the same position for years. But lately I've been having streaming dropouts, and was seeking a solution. I'll try these tips and see how I go.
Good luck!
You are making a great effort to help people and to describe your efforts at getting better connectivity. There several comments here that are not kind and you should not pay attention to them except for the technical parts. My only comments here are that in my setting, in my Wi-Fi setup, I adjusted the antennas straight up and down and didn’t see much difference. So, I put in a big effort to go to an Ethernet wired network and all I have to worry about now is my neighbor trying to sneak into my Wi-Fi network. And yes, it is passworded and I periodically scan connected devices for signal theft. Have a good day.
Thank you very much for your kind words. Everyone will likely have different results when configuring the antennas of their routers, but using Ethernet connections to the internet will undoubtedly give you the best results!
Thanks, friends. Simple & practical tips for the average user. Good job!
You’re welcome! I’m glad you found the video helpful
good info, but what you fail to realize is when angling a bi-polar antenna, a null is created at the axis (aka the line that runs through the base and tip ) so when angled, though you would get penetration above and below, it would only radiate to 1/2 of the living area, as the antenna axis is pointing in the opposite direction, resulting in no signal to the other half of the living area. The fix is simple enough, for the example you give. Angle one antenna at 45* angle the other at -45* and the third antenna at 90*. Leaving the 2 remaining antenna at 90* does nothing more for signal strength than having only one at 90*, as you suggest.
Great video. Just stopped over because I saw the video listed on the right hand side. One thing I discovered with wi-fi is, placing my wi-fi access point in the middle of my home. I also did this in my friends familys homes and it fixed most of the wi-fi problems. my setup on the antennas is, the left and right are pointed towards the left and right sides of the home. While the two middle ones stay up for the upper floor. My wi-fi ap sits up half way to get the best coverage through the home. The other thing to note is power. How much signal the router or wi-fi access point puts out will determine the range your home will get. The Wi-Fi ap I have installed is TP-Link AC1200 Wireless Gigabit Access Point that you can buy at any electronics site
This is great advice for those setting up their home networks. Thank you for your comment!
@@network-from-home Your Welcome
Why does the 9600 want the antennas configured as a W?
Your explanation make sense.
I’m not sure what specific modem you’re referring to, but my guess here is that the manufacturer is recommending this configuration because they feel it will result in a WiFi signal pattern that will work well for most of their customers. I know that’s not the best answer but that’s the explanation that makes the most sense to me
That 9600 is the baud rate
@evangiles4403
Why the w configuration for the antenna on that unit?
I did not ask about the baud rate.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I was having horrible Bluetooth range issues with the wifi/bluetooth card in my desktop computer so I decided to just try the angling the antenna towards specific areas of my home since I figured it might work in a similar way. Turns out it works amazing now, I can walk all the way to the kitchen while still having my Bluetooth headphones stay connected when before it would disconnect!
I'm glad this helped. Thank you for checking out the video!
@network-from-home bro to get best signal in corner of the room
Thank you for effort. You explained some tricks of the trade that we all need. Perhaps a bit shorter presentation will be beffer as everyone is short of time. Thank you you did good job.
Thank you very much! I have been working on being more concise in my more recent videos. I would love to hear if you think my videos have improved. Any other feedback you have is greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the perpendicular explanation - especially with graphics, it made an easy-to-understand “analogy.”
I’m glad that example helped you. Thank you for checking out the video!
I watched your video.
Set up my router exactly how you explained.
My signal to every corner of my house improved at least 40%. (Prev : 40%, Now : 80%)
My PC is now gaining sufficient signal even for 5 Ghz band, and I'm getting 99.99% speed and connectivity of my connection plan.
Now I came here to type this comment. 5:23 5:25 5:25 5:26 5:27
@srj0222jannat I'm glad you found this video useful. Thank you for checking it out!
@samnfstr, why the five timestamps at the end?
Clarification: my ISP states in their ads that the maximum speed of this particular subscription package is 50 mbps, but it turns out it can go maximum of 70 mbps
My connection is 50 Mbps but on the 2nd floor my wifi extender only got around 20 Mbps, saw this video and I immediately moved my extender antenna horizontally and the other one at 45 degree angle and IT JUMPED TO 70 MBPS IMMEDIATELY??? WHAT KIND OF BLACK MAGIC IS THIS
thank you so much by the way 👍👍👍
I’m glad you found this video useful! Thank you for checking it out (and for the feedback)
@@network-from-home you are very welcome! thank you for this very life-saving-from-frustration video 😂 also a little update, I don't know who messed up with the position of the router so my connection of 2nd floor dropped to 10 Mbps, now this time I put two of my 1st floor antenna horizontally and all of the 2nd floor extender antenna horizontally too and it goes back again at 70 Mbps 👍
@@exonzigma It sounds like you're a pro now (:
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That defies the laws of physics. 50Mb of throughput can never be 70Mb upstairs. If it had 0% loss, it would 50Mb. Just saying...
I could have watched this all night 🙂
What if your antennas only move from left to right and not back and forth ? I have a TP Link also but it`s a 4G LTE Router with a simcard.
If the movement of your router’s antennas are limited, you’ll just have to do the best you can. Try a few different antenna configurations and see which one gives your devices the best performance. Good luck!
Thank you for your explanation.
You're welcome! Thanks for checking out the video
Another video which could have been 3 slides and one minute presentation - thank you for the effort you put into it though - appreciated
Thank you for the feedback. I have been working on making my videos more concise, so hopefully my more recent videos are more useful. Thanks for checking out the video as well!
This could have been a 2 minute video without the senseless padding and repetitions. And it still would've been useless for most people.
agree!!
Gold fish
Even just 90 seconds
I agree, understand though, not everyone is as smart as they think they are so they need to hear it 500 times
Guess you couldn't even make a 2 second video about anything in life. 😂
Thank you for this great video!
It also helps to have an external Wi-Fi adapter with articulating antennas. They mean more polarization choices and often better signal quality.
BTW, routers or modem/routers with internal antennas are way harder to "aim", because who knows how and why and OEM placed (usually) printed circuit antennas inside?
Thank you very much! I’m glad the video was helpful. I agree, it can definitely be frustrating with a router with internal antennas; it just seems like you have one less thing that you have control over with internal antennas
This was incredibly useful and made for easy comprehension. Much appreciated.
Thank you for the feedback! I'm glad this was a helpful video for you!
@@network-from-home really?
Improved my signal strength immediately. Thanks.
That's great! I'm glad you found the video useful. Thanks for watching!
He nailed it, others didn't explain it so well, or in depth.
Thank you!
@@network-from-home hi 2 router TP-Link Archer AX73 vs 2 router ASUS RT-AX55 which is better to buy? yes I plan to buy 2 router for big house with 2 floor, in my place is same range price. I look for who can cover more area and stable. I use 100 Mbps from my isp
If you’re going to use 2 routers, have you thought about buying a router and a wireless access point(s)? That might be a better option if you have a large home
Very important technical points has been explained.
Thank you so much sir !!
You’re welcome! Thank you for checking out the video!
Any particular way to overcome penetration have 4 cement block walls to penetrate. Can that be overcomw without a booster or extender
There no simple solution here unfortunately. Your best bet would be to either position your router or your device so that the WiFi signal doesn’t have to go through the cement walls (I realize this might not be possible in your current situation). I hope this helps!
You probably also have steel rebar in them thar block walls, Matey!!! 😂
You can also get an outdoor ext antenna, and that might help the most.
This can definitely help if you want to access your WiFi outside of your home. Thanks for sharing!
@@network-from-home It can also definitely help if you trying to access your wifi inside of your home, as walls are worse than windows for access. When outside, all the windows make a better access point than walls blocking some of that signal. Specially with strong wall construction.
What about a device that works via wifi? I bought a wifi security camera, and I mounted it in a pole outside my house. Do you have any advice for how should I position the two antennas in the camera for optimal signal?
@User-jr7vf great question. The rules that apply to your router are the same ones I would apply to your camera. I would position the antennas on your camera so that they are perpendicular to the direction of your router. You need to ensure the camera gets a good WiFi signal, and aligning the antennas this way should do the trick (as long as it is within range of your router's WiFi signal).
I've repaired a few or so wireless security cameras. All of them I've looked at only have on real antenna and one fake antenna. Which one is real or not can sometimes be seen from the back.
This video of yours enlightened me and I hope it will help me... Thank you 😊
I’m glad you found this video useful! Thanks for checking it out
Thank you ever so much !!!! Sound simple, perhaps? but not knowing that I wouldn't solved my issue with smart lights outside my house, who would have thought!!!! Great video!!!!
That’s fantastic news! I’m glad you found this video useful!
My routers are up in the attic. I will be up there with them tomorrow, realigning the antennas. Thank you.
Good luck! I’m glad you found these tips helpful
Wow! Thanks, very useful technical information. Subscribed expectantly!
Excellent, I’m glad you found this video useful! Thanks for watching
Rather than tilting your antenna, put a separate WiFi router to the basement (unless your walls are made of wood). 5GHz does not penetrate building structures very well at all in the first place. Also, those particular multiple antennas are meant to facilitate multiple users (several separate RX/TX pairs), not just different directions. You want the Sending and receiving antennas to be in the same direction (polarization) in order to maximize your signal. Multiple antennas also make use of antenna diversity to counter small-scale fading. Of course, nothing wrong in using it the way you did.
You should make a video about that.
Useful subject! I'm trying to improve the signal to downstairs, the router being upstairs; it's a wifi6 xr1000 gaming router. I'm using a signal analyzer on my cell, and I'm not seeing much of a difference moving the antennas. It's a good 5Ghz signal for streaming, but not as strong as I would like. I'm getting a good workout running up and down the stairs, however :P
@jamcdona if moving the antennas does not give you a great boost when it comes to your WiFi signal, you may want to look into moving your router (if possible). With that said, it sounds like you are still getting adequate signal with your router where it is. You might not want to mess with it too much!
I would like to update that I hit the reset button, then installed an update, and now it's working well. I think that it had a botched update last summer and I just got it working enough to limp along by powering it off and on. A lot. LOL. The biggest gain was from my work laptop with a wifi 6E card...I'm ordering one for my home laptop now...thanks again for your videos.@@network-from-home
You want your antennas straight up. Practically any router in the last few years has some form of beamforming. It will direct the signal towards the device sending/receiving data. I've tested this several times and ALWAYS, ALWAYS having all 4x antennas straight up gave me the best signal at the longest ranges.
It's good that they CAN move because you may want to mount your router onto a wall.
You are an excellent educator😊
Thank you very much! Thanks for checking out the video
Antenna signal direction as described in the video is important, but probably less important than the polarization when using WiFi indoors. This is because you also have to take into account the polarization of the receiving antenna which will be widely affected by the indoor transmissions because of reflections and diffraction effects. This is what you referred to when you explained how the radio signal is emitted from the antenna. If your receiving antenna has a horizontal orientation and the transmitting antenna is vertically oriented then the coupling between the transmit and receive antenna is not very good (and vice versa). This is further complicated because of the many reflections indoors. Generally reflections and diffractions indoors do not change the vertical or horizontal polarization of a radio signal.
A good rule of thumb is to arrange the antennas in a diagonal orientation so the antenna will produce a radio signal with a good horizontal and vertical polarization. That way the antenna on your device whether oriented vertically or horizontally will get a better signal. So you'll get a better signal whether you use your phone sitting up or lying down. Most notebook computers a vertical antenna embedded in the screen and most people will not use their notebook screen at a vertical angle.
This is why you get a better reception with old TVs with rabbit ear antennas when you try to adjust the angle of the "rabbit ears" in a diagonal manner and then turn them around to look for the best signal. Actually, in the US, television signals are transmitted in a horizontal orientation that's why the old outdoor TV antennas were oriented in a horizontal orientation. But when the TV signal enters a house, the signals get diffracted, refracted and reflected so they are almost never horizontal when the signal gets indoors. The TV signals acquire a vertical and horizontal orientation and so the best adjustments for a TV antenna usually happen when the antenna is arranged in a diagonal angle to catch the best of both worlds.
Arranging your WiFi antenna in a diagonal direction will give you the best intermediate signal level for most devices you will connect to the WiFi router. Of course this is just a rule of thumb and actual fiddling with the antenna angles can increase or decrease signals for specific devices, especially if the device does not move around much, like your PS2.
Final note, arranging your antenna to look downwards at an angle aimed at the basement will probably not help much unless you only have wooden floors. WiFi signals don't do well going through concrete. You would be better off leaving the basement door open or putting the router close to the basement door.
Thank you for these useful tips.
You’re welcome!
great content mate....kudoos to teaching the viewers how things work rather than jumping into hot fixes
Thank you very much! I’m glad you found the video helpful
I finally find out how it works, thank you.
You’re welcome!
You deserve a sub.. thx for the explanation brother 👍🏻
Thank you very much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video
Have learned alot from you info I didn't know thanks ☺️
Thank you for checking out the video!
"what your going to need to learn first" just tell me what I need to know. "I'm gonna get into that" stop announcing what you're going to do in a 3 minute fucking video and literally JUST GET INTO IT. total waste of time.
Thank you 😊 have learned something important didn't know. Lemme check my router antenna
thank you very much for this useful video. what about those routers that they do not have any anntenas?
For routers without antennas, they will have internal antennas, much like your cell phone does. In these cases, the device will emit WiFi signal equally in all directions. I hope this helps!
@@network-from-home This is exactly i was going to ask at the begining as i have one without antennas. Now it is clear. Now, i keep this router downstair where i sit, but i do feel the signal is weaker upstairs. So, what shall i do to get good signal upstairs too by this routers without antennas ? Thank you,
My goodness! 10:22 to say something that could've been said in two minutes. Play back at 1.75x
i came here to say the same thing 😊 - and you have already said it.
this could have been, at max, a 3 minutes video.
thanks, but on what level we put our router in the same horizental floor? on the sole? on a table? on a higher place? thanks again
The higher you can put your router, the better signal you will get
It is not so simple as you presented. In theory yes, but especially nowadays when routers use phase shifting to different antennas to direct the signal, you might get in trouble by doing that. And there are different antennas for the two WiFi bands...
Thank you for the feedback! In my case, my router sends 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WiFi signals out of each antenna. I realize that may not be the case with all routers, however
Left out of this magic pile is the orientation of the client device. With newer standards, beam steering and forming is a thing which would require antennas to be oriented per the instructions!
you don't have to be limited to tilting the antenna back, you can rotate the antenna left or right. for those that are OCD and need to have the antenna look pretty rotate the one on the left 45º to the left, have the center antenna vertical, and rotate the right antenna 45º to the right.
Acrylic is a free signal analyzer for home use...
Never heard about this tip , will try as you suggested , thank you 😊
Hopefully it works out well for you. Good luck and thank you for watching the video!
Consider looking into the camera lens. Thank you for the video
Thanks for the feedback! I have worked to correct this in my more recent videos
My router has a dedicated spot on the main fuse box which is on the living room wall. The spot is like a sleeve slot so the router base is sideways on the wall vertically. So the antennas can mostly point left, right and straight into the room with some up and down adjustability. It works quite well, the coverage in the bedroom is decent and as I live in an apartment it won't radiate too much outside the front door to the building hallway which is better security wise I guess. But inspired by this video, I was able to get a better signal into the bedroom whic is nice.
This is excellent news! I’m glad you found the video useful 😊
Watch on 2x to save 5 mins of your life
2.25 is a better speed. 😊
excellent video. Very helpful, and clearly presented.
TY
Thank you very much! I’m glad it was helpful
I've been wondering about this.
I tbought you would get into more details on how the antenna actually worked, via diagrams of magnetic and electric fields etc.
Isn't therecan issue with constructive and destructive interference between multiple antennas that are parallel with each other? Won't they cause regions with no signal because of that interference?
Also radio transmission and reception depend on the antennas on both ends of the connection. So isnt the position and orientation of the remote devices just as important as the orientation of the base station antennas?
Depending on the router antenna positioning and performance can be more complicated than this explanation.
Your routers handbook should explain how antennas should be positioned and if it uses MIMO technology it is important to follow those instructions as offsetting antennas will cause beamforming and other MIMO RF techniques to underperform.
Beamforming involves coordinating the antennas to send signals in a specific direction towards the receiver rather than broadcasting in all directions. To work all antennas have to be in the same orientation. Instead of signals being sent in all directions, they're directed, electronically, exactly where they need to go. This can increase the signal strength and reduce interference.
This is a great point, thank you for sharing. My router instructs me to orient the antennas as I detailed in the video, but with newer standards this is an important caveat!
beamforming is from phased array, not MIMO, but other than that, yeah. most likely center vertical and the outer ones 45° and directly away from the vertical center one. And with MIMO and phased arrays it is important.
Better at 2X playback speed. A bit of very useful information delivered as though we are 2nd grade kids. Eliminate redundancy. Concise delivery and you can be a you-tube rock-star.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I have been working on making my videos more concise, hopefully you find my more recent videos more valuable. Thanks again!
at 1.25 speed he sounds normal lol
😂
Yes 😂
Thank you. i just subscribed, looking forward to seeing more 😊
Awesome, thank you! I’m glad you found this video useful
This is actually crazy, I got tired or horrible internet and now I’m swimming in it, I live literally right next to it 💀
You're sure to have a good WiFi signal if you are close to your router!
NEVER position the router next to you or in a place where you spend most of your time in the house (including sleeping). Place it in the hallway, if possible. Use cabled network whenever possible (even if you have to have a 50 ft. cables). I don't use WiFi in my house, but live in a big building, so have plenty of neighbors polluting me. If you must use WiFi, try disabling 2.4GHz (most used with most interference these days) and try 5GHz only. Less radiation (than using multiband) and much less interference.
good information... what about round cyclindrical antena, which side is the face side?
With round antennas the WiFi signal is broadcast in all directions perpendicular to the long side of the antenna. I hope this helps!
This is overly simplistic- RF propagation from vertical antennas does not work quite like that. And it's not just the antennas that radiate RF- the router chassis itself is also radiating to some degree. Also, you have not addressed beamforming and other adaptive behavior that the more capable routers employ.
That’s good to know, I’ll try that. Every time I go into "setting" it always says "weak security". on the wifi section.
You should be able to access your router’s settings and turn on stronger encryption. This will likely help the security of your router. I hope this helps!
A crayon drawing would've been sufficient.
Aww 😔Sounds as though you're used to getting directions explained to you via the crayon & construction paper method ~DERP🤪
The signal from the antenna radiates out in all directions vertical and horizontal like a ball. You are more likely getting better reception because you are matching the antenna orientation of the transmitters and receivers. If your transmitter antenna is in a vertical position your receiver needs to be the same vertical and horizontal with horizontal. A laptop's wifi antenna is in the laptop screen which most people use on a 45ish deg viewing angle which also orients the antenna the same. Having your antenna at a 45 deg matches more closely with your laptop screen. The direction the radio signal radiates out and up but not so much down has more to do with the ground plane of the antenna which is likely built into the PCB of the router. So if you want point the signal down you want to change the orientation of the entire router, not just the antenna. Mount the router upside-down on the ceiling might work just as well.
It is definitely worth mounting your antenna in a high location. That will help maximize your WiFi coverage because WiFi signals tend to reflect down as opposed to upwards
This video sounds normal at 1.5x speed. LOL
Thank you for the feedback. I have been working on the pace of my speech in my recent videos
Perhaps it's today's society. We are a people of information slammed at us in 60 sec or less. With flashes and tunes and fast talking individual's. I enjoyed having to slow down and actually listen. It reminds me of school when teachers actually took the time to break down a problem and go over each step. Listen once and you usually got it the first time.
I’m glad you enjoyed this. Thank you!
Am a bit into radio amateur stuff and i have studied antennas
i orient my wifi anetann so they are perpendicular to each others, so in case of 2 antenna i make them in V shape form
if the router have 3 then i would suggest to make them in X Y Z axis
having 2 antenna or 3 in the same orientation make them interfer with each other's and make the signal unstable
This sounds like a good approach to me! The important thing to note is that everyone will likely have a different antenna orientation that works best for them
Set up a mesh network?🤷♂
@lightingnut that is certainly an option for those with large houses or houses with multiple stories!
Thanks for this informative video! 👍
You're welcome! I'm glad it was useful. Thanks for watching
Another Ham operator here. I had to watch this a couple of times to understand EXACTLY what you were saying -- in obvious layman rather than technical terms. You initially threw me when you said that your vertically positioned antennas broadcasted on a horizontal plane (of course i paraphrase). I would guess you understand antenna theory pretty well, yet I don't think I heard the term polarization even once from you. The way you explained it, is adequate and was done well enough, but you can see all the butt-hurt folks (mostly ham radio guys) who ONLY recognize the use of "Vertical" and "Horizontal" (when speaking in antenna terms) as a form of polarization. In their technical world, when an antenna is oriented vertical, it is polarized vertical and the receiving antenna generally receives in the same vertical polarization. You obviously have lots of ham radio guys who watch you so you maybe should make some clarifications for them -- otherwise a lot of those old grumpy SAD HAMS will jump you in a heartbeat, thinking you dont know what you are talking about. You ARE correct (polarization aside) as a vertical antenna transmits it resonates (1/2 of the wave oscillates vertically upward and then the other 1/2 of the wave oscillates vertically downward -- in a wave pattern, perpendicularly away from the orientation of the antenna), if it is a vertically orientated antenna, it does radiate away from the antenna toward the horizon mostly in a horizontal direction as you say, (but for the ham guys somewhere between the presently controversial 5 degrees from the horizon to even near vertical -- nearly straight up). Don't let this ancient, old Ham Radio farts get you down. They know everything and if you don't believe them they will try and tell you again, and again, just in more brusk terms. They are bone-headed, sad, and unable to communicate to anyone under the age of 90. You are pretty darned correct in just what you say. You just use terms that are more modern and able to be understood by the young folks. Keep up the good work.
thanks a lot.very usefull .why the manuals for users do not mention that fact?
Some manuals will mention or suggest a configuration for your router’s antennas
8:15 to tell people to set 2 anttenas u and 1 at a 45. In old R/C Modrl Planes on 72 Mhz you would see guys point there Anttenas at the plane when it was farthest away and wonder why it Crashed or just Flew away. Even worse noe with 2.4Ghz Radios point the Antena at the Plane when it farthest away.
Thanks for the tips 🙏🏻
I guess you edit the original recorded video slightly slower with smoth frams to make the video 10+ minutes for Ads purposes xD
Thank you for watching! Believe it or not, I actually edited the video in an attempt to make it more concise. This is something I have been working on, so hopefully you find my more recent videos more valuable
@network-from-home it's so valuable! And being that slow is very helpful for people like me who's their English is a second language and may struggle with some fast native accent 😅 thank you again 🙏🏻
Just get to the point
Material surroundings are probably going to effect signal more than orientation. Metal and stone can create excellent barriers to good signal.
Metal surroundings can definitely have a large impact your WiFi signal. Everyone will likely have a different experience based upon the layout/configuration of their home (and what it's made of). Thank you for sharing that!
interesting thank u
You're welcome!
What about reflectors (metal foil etc) behind the antennas? Does that strengthen the signal and range?
dude i loved u made this video but so long 2 say so little
Thank you for the feedback. I will work on being more concise in future videos
Thanks for the information. Will try these. Hoping for more videos like these.
Thank you! Stay tuned, as I will continue to create similar content moving forward
- Consumer grade wifi antennas are 1.3~1.5 db, which means the transmission profile is spherical in nature and has a range of approximately 100~150 feet. Changing the antennas to a 10 db gives a transmission profile resembling a donut with a range of 1000~1200 feet. The higher the db value of wifi antenna the more directional the transmission profile becomes. Routers with built in antennas do not allow antenna switching. If your wifi setup is experiencing dead zones then bridge a secondary router connected via a cat5 or better ethernet cable between each router and placing them at different placements to enhance the overall wifi signal.
@johnqpublic6228 this is good information!
do not forget touse spaced channels like 6 and 12
This is what chatgpt also recommendeds
It can't be spherical. It's mathematically impossible. Search isotropic radiator in Wikipedia and read it.
@@BrianG61UK I suggest that more research is required on your part. To keep it simple, the higher the dB value the more the transmissions become donut shaped and more directional it becomes. This is a fact and mathematical.