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Hello, Im new to strength and power training and coming from Israetel's school of bodybuilding. Can you please recommend any lifts that are good for wrestling or striking, if you know any? Thanks and god bless.
I mean, did anyone even watch the video? He explains who might benefit and why and certainly doesn’t say it’s for everyone. I like both channels. You don’t have to adhere to everything everyone says, whether they are a PhD or not. Weigh out what’s being said, discern what works for you, or test it out, and make your own decisions. No need to deify or rip anyone, all or nothing. But don’t mind me. I’m just doing my own thing, making observations. Good luck and good lifting, everyone!
@@nooblifter390I’ve been subscribed for more then a year. Binge watched his content and I agree. Arguing based on whether the info is helpful for the majority is kinda redundant. RP has been known to go over advanced concepts. And even the Mike puts in clauses and context. It’s an argument over principles like is there such a thing as doing too much more then real world questions like ARE people doing too much. Mike himself states most people don’t work at a sufficient enough intensity
good message man, I completely agree. I feel like people don’t know that they can experiment with themselves and are looking for the quickest solution to gains.
RP provided a framework for me on how to experiment. Thanks to RP, I found the reason for all my injuries is too much fatigue accumulation, and I actually grow a hell of a let more with less volume. There's a lot of nuance with the stuff Mike and Nippard say, so I'm not surprised with all the clickbait criticism - or the fact that a lot of people miss the nuance.
His video made sense to me. I know if I go too much intensity in a particular exercise over a given period, a day, a week, I get over fatigue and my performance and overall volume goes down. Too much intensity or volume risks injury, or too much mental and physical stress accumulation to keep a consistent regiment and fucks your progress up leading to unintended rest days.
Definetly. That’s why 531 is my favourite program I ever ran. You can adjust your assistance however you want. Add jokers. Or Work up to an easy single then do the pr set after etc. there’s alot of things to try out and fine tune to your needs.
Bromleys bullmastiff program is a close second for me. It was just a little more volume than I need right now. But I’m sold on the wave periodization now, it works amazing
Looks like he didn’t even bother to watch the video. Just posted something to get likes and views. Just simple TH-cam strategy to get likes and views. Everybody trying to “hype” on basically top fitness channel now. Waiting for Greg Duset (or whatever his name is) 5 video reaction that Dr.Mike stop BB competitions.
@@deansheppard1104 They're not, but people shouldn't slavishly follow their every word. I prefer old-school training, but among the clicks and nonsense RP has a lot of useful advice.
This is what happens when you have several years into content creation... There are some yt channels that are relatively new that are out of this "rat race"
I mean if you all just watched the video you would have better opinions. Its not advice for literally everyone. And he knows a lot about a lot. Hes clearly a guy that follows the science and researches things and will always admit he may be wrong and not know everything. Theres nuance to all fitness advice. Just take what works for you and what makes sense for you. Its never one size fits all. But yeah most people undertrain. That video is not for gen pop. Its for those that just go hard all day every day. That was me at one point. I wish someone told me I didn't need to go to the gym every day and do as much as possible.
@@AlgernonBrosplitz Greg Doucette, Jeff Nippard and Athlean X fans are mostly novice lifters. Do you really think novices sit through a mind numbing 1,5h slideshow lecture about advanced hypertrophy training concepts?
@@paavoilves5416 indeed I do cuz they're gullible enough to fall for Mr Mike's charlatanism. Just look at his comment section, doesn't scream high level lifting, does it?
@@AlgernonBrosplitz You're talking about charlatanism on a clickbait channel. This used to a be a good channel for strongman stuff but nowadays it doesn't give much value to it's viewers. If Dr Mike is a charlatan, who isn't? I mean Ben Pollack is quite down to earth I guess but I can't really think of anyone else.
@@kobemop he said pushing yourself to the limits of your recovery ability week over week or longer will wear you down over time and slow your gains. Literally at 9:01 he says the same thing as Dr. Mikes video. So basically this video is using a thumbnail to imply Mike said something that he didn’t, while actually agreeing with him.
@@dessertstorm7476 Actually I disagree with a fair bit of Dr Mike's output (52 sets etc) and assume some of it is just to fill the content demand, because his basic views are extremely sound. Dr Mike has at least paid his dues. Whereas this pudgy drug-using 'strongman' playing at being a philosopher is all over the place recently.
@@baronmeduse bro mike is about as "drug-using 'bodybuilder'" as much as you call bromley "drug-using 'strongman'". neither of them are jay cutler or eddie hall, pipe down
@@dasdasdiamlasdasdsada9717 I never said Mike wasn't a drug user, but he's knocked out massive lifts and tried his hand at bodybuilding and actually knows what he's doing. Not just a fat dude who also shoots juice and talks bollocks 50% of the time. You pipe down.
As a track cyclist, I have found that what works best for me is training every other day alternating between weights and on the bike training. Since my on the bike session are repeats of the same drill, I can adjust volume by feel and do less if I'm not entirely recovered from the weight training. If I see the watts aren't there on the bike, I know I should cut it short and recover before the next gym session. Watts and lifts have been going up steadily since I reset in this way and I'm starting to set new PR regularly.
What events do you participate in? Do you have any issues around recovery and eating that you would be willing to share? I'm a therapist for athletes, mostly the strength sports and gymnastics for now, and I'd say that 50% of my time is spent on issues around food. I'm Scottish, and we had Graeme Obree and Chris Hoy, among others, so track got it's moment in the sun here (maybe that should be "in the dank") but you never ever run into a track cyclist, and I'd like to learn more about it, so I thought I'd try to pin you down, lol.
That exposed insulation is extremely toxic to the lungs over time. Some of the fiberglass never leaves the lungs and makes scarring. Silicosis, Black Lung are other examples that take years to feel the effects. I had a remodeling company and I made it SOP that we would not ever go into an attic without an N95 mask. The stuff is always in the air. Drywall is a bitch to install. Thick plastic sheeting is cheap and easy to place with wide head nails or staples. We did the plastic sheeting safety fix at tons of job sites where the owners couldn't afford drywall. I did it in my own homes many times to cover the period we were living inside but waiting for another check to buy drywall. I'd be happy to do it in his garage, for a power rack! 😷😮💨🤑
Alan Thrall once said that the average lifter is probably undertrained not overtrained and I still agree with him. My friend struggled with benching 225 and when I asked him his weekly volume it was less than what I did in one benching session
Also lacking in effort. RIR doesn’t really work for most people because they either stop at a specific number or when it starts to get difficult. Yeah you shouldn’t go to failure on every single set every single workout, but most people don’t go near failure on anything besides like cable tricep exercises
@@shaqitup I use RIR in my training but only for strength training on compounds; my orm went up over 60lbs on deadlifts with it. On isolation it really is harder to use RIR because hitting failure on muscles like the bicep really does require way more effort and muscle mind connection to know when its real failure and not just muscle soreness causing you to stop.
Yeah this is common, so I just got out of uni and I still train at the student gym, I can rep 100kg (220, 2 plates) with ease at this point and people always come over and ask “how”. I always ask what their bench volume is. I almost always either get, “I bench every day” so basically tons of junk volume, or “I bench once a week and do like 3 sets” I usually recommend benching either 2 or 3 times a week around 75%-85% of their max for good sets of 5 or 6, when they can comfortably do 85% of their max for a 5x5 or 4x6 then attempt a PR of 5%-10% and repeat. The looks I get when I say “5x5” or 4x6 they look at me like I’m insane, but that’s how I built a reasonable bench.
These videos are like catching crabs, when one crab tries to leave for their own good, other crabs will try to bring them down and keep them down sad kinda
You fanboys to content is so sad 😂. Misinformation is so high in this community it’s only right to discuss weak talking points but you’re so stuck up on defending someone who’s making a shit ton of money off his community 😂😂
@@Wildkoala1 projection, I work a great healthcare job and have my degrees finished. I’m not an idiot and can actually understand how to read statistics properly so I don’t adhere to people simply due to having a degree as I can interpret the data properly. Keep d riding bro, I been around for a while and I’ve seen people time and time again perpetuate certain TH-camrs to the point of dogma that it kills their own ability to discern information coherently. People use to think you needed to train like a powerlifter to become a bodybuilder 🤣. You guys are just falling for another fitness guru bs, and the bs is not what Dr. Mike says in its an entirety, it’s that not everything he says is correct especially about form. But you guys will think people calling out misinformation is hating or to be contrarian when it’s just people want HONESTY in this community full of bs. There’s a reason why in a lot of gyms now teens to young adult have such low intensity workouts and focus on the stretch only and make little gains after a two year period of lifting
When your list of pathologies from lifting gets increasingly longer, the buzz around recovery content becomes irresistible because the logic of doing less of the thing that is causing you problems makes too much sense, until you do the recovery and nothing gets better. Feels like recovery content is the chiropractics of lifting right now.
I’m natural I’m over 50. I’m more concerned with muscle mass so may be a little different for me than for you guys. Although I do move a little bit of weight progressive overload I was trying to get a few more pounds on the bar on my heavy days. I could tell you sleep essential, And of course food, fluids, correct and consistent with these things as well supplementation. Do those things and recovery becomes easier and you don’t have to take as many days off even at an older age
When I was a lot younger, like 30, I started in a sawmill doing hard manual labor. I was in pretty ok shape, but not in the shape I needed to be for the work. It kicked my ass for at least four months, but I HAD to have that job at the time, and I've never been one to give up. After a week, I couldn't walk after the ride home. I crawled from the car up to the house. I thought it was going to kill me. After a while though, my recovery time sped up a ton. I was running a resaw in a professional sawmill turning out 200,000 board feet of studs per shift, handling 400-700 lb, 9 foot long cants of lumber that had to be flipped over, turned end for end to run through the saw in the correct orientation, and there was never a moment to catch your breath. It was assholes and elbows for 12 hours straight, other than lunch break. My body adapted to the point where the work was easy, I wasn't even sore after work anymore, and I started going home and lifting to failure after work every day. It was like being on steroids after a while. I ate everything, recovered immediately, to the point where I could lift to complete muscle failure a couple times a day every day, and couldn't retain fat if my life depended on it. I only ever got into lifting at all as a teen to be healthy, so steroids have never even been a temptation for me. I was 238 lbs at 5'9", and under a healthy body fat index. Family all asked what drugs I was messed up on, but my wife would always set them straight. "He literally just works his ass off." So I started believing that muscle burnout and recovery times were bullshit, at least for me. Everyones body morphology is different though. I do believe though, that there's a breaking point, enough stress, that will force the human body to be able to do things that almost no one would believe if they saw it firsthand, and I just simply pushed mine past that point.
My problem is stress 100%. 4 kids, 60+ hours at work, sleep like crap. I wat good and train hard but my growth is baby steps. Ive accepted it as incant change much (too late to get a refund on the kids 😂, also i have insomnia). So i try to listen to my body. Take days off when i need it, push harder when i feel i have it in the tank.
Agree 1000%. For most people even recognizing what real failure feals like is a challenge inside one training-session. Or set. Let alone keeping the required intensity for a many training-blocks. This was refreshing content in sports-content.
I'm 69 and in the third year of my paleo journey of low carb diet 🏋 and HIIT. As I got stronger and more lean my recovery time needs increased. I'm in the less is more zone. Conditioning vs strength training. Balance and Flexibility, using my new body to do real and routine work.💪🙏
Bromley is the level-headed voice of reason in this industry, where everyone else is full of clickbait & hype 🙌🏻 Much respect to you for voicing the unpopular opinion
Dr.Mike actually specified that you need to “deserve” deload. So video was about that 5% of people who go all-or-nothing all the time. Problem with that, is that people overestimate how hard they train. 80% of gym “rats” (hate this term so much) are 8-10RIR all the time. And they watch this video (actually, God bless them, if they do. Most of all don’t even bother watch or read anything about training) and only hear half of information if not less. They don’t want or can’t see the entire picture. And they can’t judge information because they don’t have enough training experience.
He specified multiple times in that video alone, so its almost like he didnt watch the video and just looked at the thumbnail. And yeah, its for that upper percent that does everything perfectly but pushes too hard.....and IMO....pushing to hard is really easy to do. Unless youve thrown 5+ years of random experience into the endeavor (who wants to waste 5 years for no results?) You dont know where the lines are for the right amount of lifting. Pushing yourself to the limits is easy because its simple. Theres never any doubt to the equation. A limit is a limit. Its like filling up a gas tank that doesnt have the automatic shutoff. Until you hit the limit of what the tank can hold amd it starts pouring out onto the ground, you really dont know how full it is. You can guess, but the only certainty you will ever have while filling up the tank is if it reaches the limit. So yeah its tiring and sometimes painful, but if you hit a limit, you hit the limit. Its simple, which makes it easy. I wasted a lot of my lifting career overtraining and basically have to FORCE myself to pull back constantly. And every time i do, i get better growth. For me, it is far easier to do too much than it is to do even the correct amount, let alone too little.
The only way you "deserve" or need a deload is if your programming is so trash that you're just accumulating mountains of fatigue that you can't recover from.. or if you're running shit tons of unhealthy gear. The information out there is so detrimental to naturals it's not even funny. Quite freaking sad actually. A deload should never be necessary if you're training right and properly modulating stimulus and fatigue. Vast majority of people do not do this properly though.
@@nathanielgates2863 Absolutely not. I been training consistently from 9th grade, now i am 40. Did compete in powerlifting, did bodybuilding (not completely). It doesn’t really matter if you natural or on gear. Consistently 4-5 times a week with proper overload brings you to the point when you feel you need fn rest. Maybe not completely rest for a week, but slow shit down for sure. You can push, for sure, but logically it’s feels like you didn’t grow anything and just fighting with fatigue all the time.
a middle ground in this that ive enjoyed is just specializing. Ill keep whatever isnt a priority at a lower or maintainance volume and really turn up the dial with what i want to grow. this has worked really well at bringing up anything i consider lagging. ive even done daily training for stuff like back and arms because they can take it
3:16 That unironically sounds amazing. That's how I hope to feel after a brutal session the previous day, and often do (sadly, those only come around 1-2 / week). The pain is so soothing - it lets me know I've done my best. I savor it whenever I can, especially that after over a year of training, it is harder to reach than before.
@@zerrodefex I found it so funny how he did a video praising Kneesovertoesguy and emphasising how important mobility is yet he can't OHP or pullups properly lol
I'm a big fan of the channel! I typically take just a week off before a competition and occasionally do a deload or reduce load intensity to alleviate built-up fatigue. But couldn't it be argued that in strength sports, dedicating more time to deloading or even taking time off allows for better recovery of connective tissues, which tend to adapt more slowly compared to muscles? A month off might seem long, but here in the UK, we have a lot of Polish lifters at the gym-some of the strongest guys with the best work ethic-and they often take a month off without it seeming to be detrimental.
Ive been going for 4 years since my comeback . I trained trough covid. Hell, I trained while HAVING covid ! I train hardcore ( but smart) 4 days a week and 3 days off. My sleep and diet is on point. No deloads no breaks, no nothing. And im still gaining at almost 55 years young.
I'm hitting a wall with progress because my training fatigue makes the rest of my life miserable. I'm debating just going on maintenance or doing a long break idk.
I find focusing on a lift and putting the others on maintenance to be highly beneficial when I get feeling that way. About once a year I have to cut deadlift outa my program for a month almost completely.
Take a deload and think about cutting your intensity or frequency. I recently cut my bench days from 3 days a week to 2 days a week and a 4-month plateau where I was backsliding from overtraining disappeared overnight and I've never felt better. Another thing that really helped me was supplementing at least 10 g of EAAs before every meal. EAA's are not memes like BCAA's and have a ton of scientific research to back them up. Look up "EAA muscle protein synthesis studies" If you don't believe me. I've lost so much respect for Alex over the past couple of months. He has no more ideas for good content so he's basically become the perpetual contrarian who tries to dunk on larger content creators to make himself look like an authority on the subject. Not overtraining and recovery are massive if you are one of the savages who has to be careful not to run themselves into the ground through overwork instead of the opposite.
This happened to me recently its a vicious circle. Eventually I took a step back and started a new 12 week program. The first month the weight is so light, but I feel so much better, can almost feel the fatigue lifted and am now ready to push on again
I don’t disagree Alex, but my takeaway from Dr Mike was more that if your joints were especially beat up an extended rest could help them heal along with connective tissue.
that bell curve at the start feels unintuitive to me. like you are really saying 70% of people in the gym are making no progress due to their volume being too low? i don't really see that happening. most people keep making at least some progress year by year. it slows down after the novice phase, but nobody is like 'i've been lifting for 15 years and for the last 10 years my strength has stayed the same, i haven't made any progress at all'. that doesn't really happen. i do agree that taking a full month off each year (as dr. mike suggests) makes no sense though, deloads should be limited to like 10 days max, i don't see that much advantage in a month's vacation from any form of resistance training unless someone has a major injury or illness.
The curve also started with ‘just fine’ then went to ‘half assed’ when I think it was meant the other way (could be wrong just doesn’t make sense that way) but I think the overall point was supposed to be closer to 70ish% of people would see better progress with more output not less/ better recovery
Also yea nobody is going to say they’ve “been lifting for 15 years but I saw no progress in the last 10” because that’s exactly the kind of person that is going to quit going to the gym
@@Deanbedford1 that'd make more sense, but, the majority of people in the gym do it when they have time, it's not their life's purpose to be jacked, they just want to look a little better and improve their health a little and lose a little weight. so yeah most people in the gym would grow muscle faster with more volume. but that more volume would mean more time, and most of them aren't willing to increase their time in the gym because they have a life outside of the gym and it isn't that much of a priority to them. i think that's normal. it's not like they don't know they'd grow more muscle with more volume. it's that they know that, give the gym the time they can spare, and they don't worry about optimizing results, they are happy with their rate of progress. it's worth remembering that the majority of the people in gym are not avid consumers of fitness youtube, we are a tiny minority that care about it enough to watch video after video on the subject. most people in the gym don't watch any fitness youtube videos at all.
Absolutely great points. Four keys (proper training - proper rest - proper food and a good attitude) - they all matter. Is recovery important? 100 percent. You can’t train hard all the time. But volume and intensity together can lead to excessive fatigue. In my experience of 40 years of training - teaching and coaching, most people don’t need a ton of recovery if their volume isn’t too high. If you’re doing 30 sets of quads hard, obviously over time, you’ll need to recover. Also, recovery looks different for everyone. As a competitive older powerlifter, my recovery is different than when I was 30. One final thing, recovery is not laying on a sofa eating donuts.
Bromley, I'm going to disagree with you but for the exact opposite reason most people are disagreeing with you. Most people's recovery to stress ratio is not "just fine" with only a minor amount of people being overworked. The amount of overworked people is probably less than 1%. I warrant that the majority of lifters can still be considered sedentary and out of shape, and could probably add another hour of their day to vigorous exercise and be just fine. When you look at the nattie greats from the Silvery Era, many of them were working out practically all day. Weight lifting, swimming, running, playing tennis and volleyball, practicing gymnastic feats. Look at Steve Reeves for a great example of this. The reality is that many strongmen and powerlifters are terrifyingly overweight and really don't need to be taking time off to recover, they need to be getting more cardio and active recovery in.
His video about too much hard work being counterproductive is super important. I recently went through a 4-month plateau because I was running myself into the ground training bench three times a week with very high intensity. After moving to two days a week I started progressing rapidly again. My nutrition, sleep and supplementation stayed the exact same. If he released that video earlier I may have never had gone through that plateau. For average people I agree that recovery is a bit of a meme with that being said for the most hardcore people recovery and not overtraining is probably one of the most important points of emphasis to maximize growth.
Its pretty obvious what has happened here. Mike stopped doing bent rows, and corrupted his true self in doing so. His soul is naked, and cold in the empty.
Im for sure nowhere close to elite but i think an aspect not talked about for recovery is what type of training do you respond to. Until i found high frequency full body i always felt as if the sessions left me completely spent even if i was doing on average less volume per week. Intrasession volume tolerance is a big thing that goes unnoticed far too often. I have no problems now hitting my 15 sets of quads every week without having to die every leg day, no doms and better progression while having the volume dispersed In 5 weekly sessions. Some people might tolerate more volume per session and choose more time to recover instead of just 24h. Id rather hit my 3 sets of quads daily and thats it
I haven't lifted in 10 years but I can tell you, having had physical jobs for 30 years, there def is a crossover point for exertion vs gain and if you ignore that, you're going to go backwards in gaining benefits from extra work. I don't see why this would be any different for structured exercise. I think Mike is just pointing out that the old-school "go max every time for max gains and damn the torpedoes" is just that: old-school. If I overexert the previous week I am f'n tired on day one and it keeps getting worse as the week wears on. There should be a "sweet spot" for recovery (specifics probably indexed to the individual) and I think trying to broadly systemize that is correct. Mike's a scientist so of course he's going to go by data and studies.
Yes, but the weird thing is that backing off and recovering as you need it isn't really 'old school' it's a more modern thing. Many pre-60s bodybuilders took way more recovery time. And strength lifters like Bill Starr built it into his routines (the heavy-medium-light day system). What I see now is more and more people on the 6 days a week routines and high volume preaching 'more is better' and rest is for wimps. No wonder they all end up seeking out chemical assistance.
i took 2 weeks off and came back pushing and pulling a lot more weight. i was going 5 days in a row, 2 days off, heavy lifting each session. Was thinking of going every other day, maybe taking two days off in a row every now and again. Some days high volume, others for heavy lifting.
For over 2 years I ran 6-day PPL and worked myself to death. I’m 6’0” and bulked from 160-200lbs. At 200lbs, my max bench was 195lbs and my top set was 3 x 8 with 160lbs. Couldn’t do a 215lb squat - if I did anything above that, it was a half squat. Eventually I decided to stop being an idiot and switch to 4-Day U/L while prioritizing recovery. I also cut from 200 to 180lbs. I literally did the same exercises, sets and reps - I just split them across 4 days instead of 6. By the time I was 180, I could do 4 x 5 135lbs on OHP, 3 x 5 with 225lbs on Benchs, 6 reps of 315 on Squat, and more. Recovery is VITAL and I learned the hard way about not caring about fatigue and wasting years in the gym. Edit: this experience is why I don’t believe in 6-day PPL. It blasts you with volume while leaving a paltry 1 day to recover. I don’t understand how anyone makes gains off of it, even if they’re not overtraining.
Sorry but this video is just like destiny. You just want to disagree for no reason. I had pushed myself to the limits for 3 month. My training fatigue is so high that last week I couldn't finish my last training. I knew it's time for a deload. I couldn't even lift as much as I should. After a deload I come back and I'm far stronger than I ever was. Every fcking deload the same. If I wouldn't take a week to deload, I would probably not only injure myself but most likely my testosterone levels would be down from 470 to 100. Resting is the most important part of any training session but you have to earn it. That's all to the video of Mike there is. Mike doesn't say that "oh training hard is bad" he just says that if your systemic fatigue 8s so high, you can barely move weights, take a fckn rest.
I think you are being a little unfair to your viewers here alex. While you may be correct that 70% of gym goers half ass their sets, I think a lot of young adults in the gym these days do need to be told to ease off, especially those interested enough in the nitty gritty of training to watch Doctor Mike and yourself. We have been raised in a hustle culture where effort is the only measure of one's success and thus yiu mist give everything or nothing at all in order to succeed at something and so I thought mikes message of putting in 80-90% was a very responsible and very helpful philosophy to live by, nit just in the gym but in all aspects, a rare miss on your part imo this time.
@@leonardo9259 So do you believe that these people are as rare as Alex says when you consider that they care enough about training to look at his videos and Mike Israetael's and yet for whatever reason don't consider to just work a bit harder!? Also even if we are a rare breed of person that does not mean that videos should not be made with us in mind to help rather than the 70% who don't try hard enough, that is just an argument ad populum.
@@samalmond2321 It is pretty rare, there are like 2 people in my gym that train with any sort of intensity and dozens who completely half ass their workout with garbage exercise selection and form.
@@paavoilves5416 it's the price to have sponsors and push your business... There are so many "old school" that didn't fell in that scheme like Alan Thrall, the guys in BB Medicine, Silent Mike, and even Omar don't seem to have this kind of content... Still learning from Brom and many more
Agreed! I take deloads regularly (6-8 weeks inbetween, 1-1.5 weeks time, normally a focus on cardio work, with 8 sets per muscle group at a low intensity) and every time I go back in I hit a PR (normally on reps). I can't imagine a month off being beneficial. But, I'm never going to be Ronnie Coleman or Mitchell Hooper. Something tells me those guys need a month off every now and again, lol.
Seeing as how Mike's video is 30 minutes long, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Brome domes in the comment section criticizing Mike's video didn't even watch it in its entirety and believe that this video is a legit criticism of it. If you watch Mike's video and believe that he was saying one shouldn't train hard or anything like that, you simply weren't paying attention/were watching from a biased pov. JFC, Bromely, I'm a fan, but ya gotta be better than this.
Mikes video is very clear and he says work 80-90% most of the time, which makes sense to he successful long term. I dont really understand the hate in the comments. He never said dont work hard, he always says work the hardest you can while it being possible to do it long term.
Me personally probably maybe needed more recovery back when I did work out. I very often failed to finish any set of benching past the first one for targeted reps. With the same weight I'd do 10, then maybe 8 or 6 then maybe 4. This wouldn't be a big issue if I was actually getting stronger which I wasn't. It was just stagnating in wieght and reps during the newbie gains period so I don't really think proper recovery as Mike Israetel mentions would hurt.
That's not even recovery exactly. That's moronic weight selection/programming. If you're routinely choosing a weight that you drop from 10 reps to 4 reps on a program calling for straight sets then you're training way too intensely on that given day. To drop from 10 to 4 sounds like you're literally going rpe 10 every set. Its dumb for its own sake but surely you'd recognize you can't reasonably expect to go to failure and then hit the exact same number of reps immediately after. A longer rest period between workout wouldn't really be the answer you just have no idea how to manage your reps and sets in the day itself. The nuts and bolts of a single session are missing.
@@Isaiah_McIntosh How I did workout was absolutely dumb no doubt. However my rpe was not a 10 on the first set. I could probably do 13~15 rep with the given weight so more like a rpe of 7 to 8. I placed an artificial restriction I placed so I could do more reps for subsequent sets later. Also considering my recovery was only 1 minute between sets, I'd says what I had was heavily a recovery issue that stemmed from bad programming.
Currently doing Bald Omni Man's PPL on a cut, going to failure on all isolation and 8 or 9 rpe on compounds. Still feel fine. It seems to me that if you're not an ultra fast-twitch dominant "fastgainer", you can get away with volume+intensity. Of course this might change when you get much stronger. But most people aren't there yet.
I wouldn’t really call rpe 8 or 9 on isolations intense training, at least for me personally, there is a massive difference in stimulus and fatigue for grinding that last rep
I unsubbed from RP a while ago. Their hypertrophy made simple series is GOAT'd but recently their content has gotten way worse. It just seems like their videos are mostly recycled sex jokes, jokes about butlers and lambos and very little valuable content. Although, the video on nootropics which they had to take down because of how unscientific it was, was the final nail in the coffin for me. Most of the advice Mike gives is sound, but you can tell he's running out of ideas for content and has resorted to comment bait videos.
Dr Mike is very knowledgeable about lifting and sports science, but he doesn't know dick about anything else (that he clearly thinks he knows a lot about). His interview with Doctor Mike was honestly embarrassing.
Yeah man they had older content that is great, and generally they give very good and properly nuanced advice. It's just started to become so much extra fluff now that they have made videos about almost all the practical content
Dr. Mike simply said train at about 85% your maximum recoverable volume. That is still VERY intense! And is sustainable long term. Most people are nowhere near that volume/intensity like Alex said.
At least in my training, at some point if my blocks strung together for too long my nagging injuries just refused to go away. I got hip bursisits in 2022 and it progressively got worse until I could barely squat at all with out some very bad pain. I tried everything. Countless exercises stretches and even a cortisone shot. Some of it helped a little but nothing helped as much as leaving my squat alone for a month at rehabbing it. Once I came back it was night and day. I talked with Dave tate at length last year about programming and his view was that after every meet should be about a 2 week period of no load at all (one month a year). Of course there is plenty of nuance needed and I think RP could make that more clear. As someone who has been training for about 5 years now I could tell that the video was not for the beginner but as someone new I may not take it that way. I still thought the advice was sound though on the premise that you are training hard enough to need it. Your points are valid too but it feels like you make it sound a little too simple to me. Like "if you do these things then recovery shouldn't really be a problem". While it's true generally you can't always say deloads are unnecessary either. Yes they are basics of programming and everyone should follow them but they won't do everything for you. Just my thoughts!
Alex, Do you know of Chris Beardsley? He has defined a "Fatigue" model based on Calcium Ion damage to the muscle body. He defines what causes such damage and generally how long it could take to recover from. Assuming other factors are OK (Sleep, Nutrition), training can continue as long as there is no or minimal calcium Ion damage.
Problem with that is there are so many types of fatigue effecting strength/hypertrophy/recovery. Not just peripheral nervous system fatigue, but also systemic fatigue, axial fatigue, and then you also have to take into account other secondary and tertiary downstream effects such as increased cortisol. And that doesn’t even take into account the difference in acute and chronic fatigue, such as central nervous system fatigue(which is acute, cns fatigue actually goes away quickly), depleted ATP and depleted glycogen stores causing massive acute fatigue intra session which can be just as detrimental depending on the situation
As someone who doesn’t use any steroids or PEDs, I can tell when I need recovery days. I usually feel tired and lethargic at my day job with my brain feeling swollen/ groggy.
Slow and steady wins the race. In literally any other skill, like guitar or math, the beginner knows they are going to suck for at least a year. Lifting has quicker returns than most other skills so we get an ego inflation. I think of recovery the same way I think of eating. Listen to your dang body, it knows better than any study or instagram influencer.
I'll still watch RP for their body building perspective. But the one that made me lol the other day was when they said rear delt flies cause too much axial fatigue to make it a good exercise.
Not gonna watch the video. You clearly didnt watch Mike's video and he's never wrong even when he's wrong. So always keep an open mind and discern what works for you which means ignoring everyone except for Dr. Mike. Because clearly, he's the best!
I love your content but one way to show you are the smaller channel is by throwind shade at the big ones and see who comes. Even the haters. Jeff Nippard, Athlean X and Dr. Mike are the biggest fitness channels and they don't waste their time critiquing other channels, they focus on their content. You should do that. You have interesting ideas that I haven't seen anywhere else.
I feel like I always hit a snag after leg days. Big doms effect. I could still do push day the next day no problem. Almost always need to take a rest day on the 3rd day before pull day/deadlift in order to feelnat my best.
Just reading the title of his video that you showed contradicts you, he doesn’t say “hard work” is detrimental he says “working too hard” is, which is a completely different and much more nuanced sentiment.
Clickbait is A.) deceptive and B.) done for views. Given that these are my actual strong opinions and these videos usually do poorly, it's not very good clickbait. No discipline is better if people just mind their business and avoid conflict or criticism; avoiding 'drama' just for the sake of playing nice is not a virtue anywhere. Mike is a hugely influential character who reaches millions of young lifters, so when he posts nonsense, who should point it out? We should just stay quiet to avoid 'drama'?
And people like Bromley and especially Bugenhagen intentionally miss the point (Bromley) or unintentionally miss the point because they are a hammer and everything is a nail (Eric). Bromley is just taking a video on a single topic and thinking that it doesn't include the wider context of what a channel releases.
@@Jdm5299they’re losing credibility quickly with the garbage they’re putting out. Literally nobody worth their salt especially in the natural scene takes 4 weeks off every year if they want to improve, for instance
@nh1776 he was catering it to people who work out way too hard. But, at best, a deload would be ideal to prevent oneself from overreaching. Even then, just changing exercise selection is good enough rather than a typical deload.
@str1ker_eureka it's not catered to lazy people, but rather casual fitness enthusiasts. A lot of people who work out don't want to be bodybuilders, powerlifters, or strongman. It's easier to cater casuals than to a niche population of hard-core lifters.
@@Jdm5299I agree with you mate, most people aren't going to be interested in the competitive scenes. What I tend to see though (as a competitive strongman) is that so many people who are casual fitness types will also wonder why their results aren't as good, and then buy into all these ideas like "my arms are too long" or 'I have bad genetics' without actually putting in the amount of effort you need for a particular goal. There is nothing wrong with that, getting big or getting strong is painful as hell or doesn't suit some lifestyles. But the fact that so many channels profit over making videos muddling the water is painful
TH-cam fitness lives off noobs and gymcels who have been noobs for years because they base their training entirely on fitness influencer advice, which is more often than not designed to keep you a noob. It's an endless cycle.
@@noahpearce4105 Can I ask if you have any issues around recovery and eating that you would be willing to share? I'm a therapist for athletes, mostly the strength sports and gymnastics for now, and I'd say that 50% of my time is spent on issues around food.
@@BuJammy hey buddy yeah of course. Really differs for different people, but I reckon the big ones are sleeping enough, and just making sure you eat enough. Diet in general is a pretty broad topic, we can see people thrive eating in all sorts of different ways haha but my layman recommendation is to eat pretty clean, lots of veggies, decent amount of protein. "Dirty" foods can be fine, but personally I feel gross if I eat too much. If athletes are in weight classes there is more to it to stay in their class. Honestly, basic diet templates like The Vertical diet are the best IMO. For other recovery, Sleep is number 1. If you sleep only 5 hours a night then increasing that number will have the biggest impact on results. Beyond that it's pretty basic stuff that I personally do, making sure I stay mobile and keep my general fitness pretty high is important. Same with just general health aye. Hope some of that helps mate
Weird how the science bros are pushing ppl into Mentzerite recovery paranoia. I think Mike's video was good about teaching cost vs benefit but it relies on ppl knowing the basics and being able to push themselves
Needing deloads is a sign that your training is accumulating fatigue and you are not recovering from it. If you are that fatigued then you probably are making zero gains at all. The only real acception to this is strength athletes after competition.
lol at 52 there is no way in hell I’m taking a month off. If I need a rest day or two I’ll take one but no way a month! I’m too close death to waste that much time!
Seems to me that RP offer good food for thought. You can't take a single video, you have to look at the whole series of messages, and then they make more sense. I think people are trashing RP because what they offer knocks holes in many of the programmes offered by the internet experts, and they don't like it.
No.... what they offer is really generic programming advice with a couple of small twists that fit their own branding. You have to go out to the fringes with lunatics like Seedman to find them 'knocking holes' in someones training philosophy. Most of it's really good, some of it's stupid. I don't need to report on everything Mike has ever said to criticize a few dumb video titles.
Sorry man but I feel like there better way to get across your point rather than just being a mike isratel hate channel. I am not even a big fan of the guy but it is kinda annoying seeing you use this random bald for your thumbnails. People will watch your strongman and programming videos you dont have to stoop to this.
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Hello, Im new to strength and power training and coming from Israetel's school of bodybuilding. Can you please recommend any lifts that are good for wrestling or striking, if you know any? Thanks and god bless.
I mean, did anyone even watch the video? He explains who might benefit and why and certainly doesn’t say it’s for everyone. I like both channels. You don’t have to adhere to everything everyone says, whether they are a PhD or not. Weigh out what’s being said, discern what works for you, or test it out, and make your own decisions. No need to deify or rip anyone, all or nothing. But don’t mind me. I’m just doing my own thing, making observations. Good luck and good lifting, everyone!
Tell me for how long have you been subscribed to RP?
@@nooblifter390I’ve been subscribed for more then a year. Binge watched his content and I agree. Arguing based on whether the info is helpful for the majority is kinda redundant. RP has been known to go over advanced concepts. And even the Mike puts in clauses and context. It’s an argument over principles like is there such a thing as doing too much more then real world questions like ARE people doing too much. Mike himself states most people don’t work at a sufficient enough intensity
good message man, I completely agree. I feel like people don’t know that they can experiment with themselves and are looking for the quickest solution to gains.
RP provided a framework for me on how to experiment. Thanks to RP, I found the reason for all my injuries is too much fatigue accumulation, and I actually grow a hell of a let more with less volume.
There's a lot of nuance with the stuff Mike and Nippard say, so I'm not surprised with all the clickbait criticism - or the fact that a lot of people miss the nuance.
Reaction videos are so low effort. Obvious filler content. Zzzzz….
Dr mikes tips have given me the best gains ive seen in 20 years im gonna say he has more good than bad things to say
His video made sense to me. I know if I go too much intensity in a particular exercise over a given period, a day, a week, I get over fatigue and my performance and overall volume goes down.
Too much intensity or volume risks injury, or too much mental and physical stress accumulation to keep a consistent regiment and fucks your progress up leading to unintended rest days.
Definetly. That’s why 531 is my favourite program I ever ran. You can adjust your assistance however you want. Add jokers. Or Work up to an easy single then do the pr set after etc. there’s alot of things to try out and fine tune to your needs.
Bromleys bullmastiff program is a close second for me. It was just a little more volume than I need right now. But I’m sold on the wave periodization now, it works amazing
Looks like he didn’t even bother to watch the video. Just posted something to get likes and views. Just simple TH-cam strategy to get likes and views. Everybody trying to “hype” on basically top fitness channel now. Waiting for Greg Duset (or whatever his name is) 5 video reaction that Dr.Mike stop BB competitions.
@@VladimirFromUSto be fair he should stop bodybuilding comps.
@@shaqitup For sure.
This 'beef' with RP feels extremely drummed up for the sake of content rather than being any actual issue of substance or personal care.
Absolutely. All for clicks and comments.
RP and "science " crew are full of BS
@@deansheppard1104 They're not, but people shouldn't slavishly follow their every word. I prefer old-school training, but among the clicks and nonsense RP has a lot of useful advice.
@@baronmeduse he used to , his old content is pretty good , but recently mike has come up with allot of nonsense
This is what happens when you have several years into content creation... There are some yt channels that are relatively new that are out of this "rat race"
Bromley i think this obsession with RP is becoming unhealthy
He's anti science so that explains some of it
I mean if you all just watched the video you would have better opinions. Its not advice for literally everyone.
And he knows a lot about a lot. Hes clearly a guy that follows the science and researches things and will always admit he may be wrong and not know everything.
Theres nuance to all fitness advice. Just take what works for you and what makes sense for you. Its never one size fits all. But yeah most people undertrain. That video is not for gen pop. Its for those that just go hard all day every day.
That was me at one point. I wish someone told me I didn't need to go to the gym every day and do as much as possible.
Clearly follows muh scýhensse
But nobody who goes hard all day every day follows Mr Mike. Mr Mike's audience are novice lifters
@@AlgernonBrosplitz Greg Doucette, Jeff Nippard and Athlean X fans are mostly novice lifters. Do you really think novices sit through a mind numbing 1,5h slideshow lecture about advanced hypertrophy training concepts?
@@paavoilves5416 indeed I do cuz they're gullible enough to fall for Mr Mike's charlatanism. Just look at his comment section, doesn't scream high level lifting, does it?
@@AlgernonBrosplitz You're talking about charlatanism on a clickbait channel. This used to a be a good channel for strongman stuff but nowadays it doesn't give much value to it's viewers.
If Dr Mike is a charlatan, who isn't? I mean Ben Pollack is quite down to earth I guess but I can't really think of anyone else.
No, he absolutely did NOT say hard work is detrimental.
He did.
@@BuJammy he didnt
okay what is it then guys?
@@kobemop he said pushing yourself to the limits of your recovery ability week over week or longer will wear you down over time and slow your gains. Literally at 9:01 he says the same thing as Dr. Mikes video. So basically this video is using a thumbnail to imply Mike said something that he didn’t, while actually agreeing with him.
dr mike is so full of it
When did you become a reply guy man?
he have bebe and no time
he's disagreed with tons pf people. There's onyl backlash when it's Dr Mike. People need to get their heads out of Israetel's butthole
@@dessertstorm7476 Actually I disagree with a fair bit of Dr Mike's output (52 sets etc) and assume some of it is just to fill the content demand, because his basic views are extremely sound. Dr Mike has at least paid his dues. Whereas this pudgy drug-using 'strongman' playing at being a philosopher is all over the place recently.
@@baronmeduse bro mike is about as "drug-using 'bodybuilder'" as much as you call bromley "drug-using 'strongman'". neither of them are jay cutler or eddie hall, pipe down
@@dasdasdiamlasdasdsada9717 I never said Mike wasn't a drug user, but he's knocked out massive lifts and tried his hand at bodybuilding and actually knows what he's doing. Not just a fat dude who also shoots juice and talks bollocks 50% of the time. You pipe down.
You're turning into greg doucette man
As a track cyclist, I have found that what works best for me is training every other day alternating between weights and on the bike training.
Since my on the bike session are repeats of the same drill, I can adjust volume by feel and do less if I'm not entirely recovered from the weight training.
If I see the watts aren't there on the bike, I know I should cut it short and recover before the next gym session.
Watts and lifts have been going up steadily since I reset in this way and I'm starting to set new PR regularly.
What events do you participate in? Do you have any issues around recovery and eating that you would be willing to share?
I'm a therapist for athletes, mostly the strength sports and gymnastics for now, and I'd say that 50% of my time is spent on issues around food.
I'm Scottish, and we had Graeme Obree and Chris Hoy, among others, so track got it's moment in the sun here (maybe that should be "in the dank") but you never ever run into a track cyclist, and I'd like to learn more about it, so I thought I'd try to pin you down, lol.
@@BuJammy I’ve spent time around the Manchester velodrome, and the GB riders don’t train anything like that
There should be a go fund me so that Alexander can get some drywall or paneling
That exposed insulation is extremely toxic to the lungs over time. Some of the fiberglass never leaves the lungs and makes scarring. Silicosis, Black Lung are other examples that take years to feel the effects. I had a remodeling company and I made it SOP that we would not ever go into an attic without an N95 mask. The stuff is always in the air.
Drywall is a bitch to install.
Thick plastic sheeting is cheap and easy to place with wide head nails or staples.
We did the plastic sheeting safety fix at tons of job sites where the owners couldn't afford drywall. I did it in my own homes many times to cover the period we were living inside but waiting for another check to buy drywall.
I'd be happy to do it in his garage, for a power rack! 😷😮💨🤑
Alan Thrall once said that the average lifter is probably undertrained not overtrained and I still agree with him. My friend struggled with benching 225 and when I asked him his weekly volume it was less than what I did in one benching session
Also lacking in effort. RIR doesn’t really work for most people because they either stop at a specific number or when it starts to get difficult.
Yeah you shouldn’t go to failure on every single set every single workout, but most people don’t go near failure on anything besides like cable tricep exercises
Yes and people have become paranoid about getting injured too. Being afraid of overtraining or injury is a bad mindset.
@@shaqitup I use RIR in my training but only for strength training on compounds; my orm went up over 60lbs on deadlifts with it. On isolation it really is harder to use RIR because hitting failure on muscles like the bicep really does require way more effort and muscle mind connection to know when its real failure and not just muscle soreness causing you to stop.
Yeah this is common, so I just got out of uni and I still train at the student gym, I can rep 100kg (220, 2 plates) with ease at this point and people always come over and ask “how”. I always ask what their bench volume is. I almost always either get, “I bench every day” so basically tons of junk volume, or “I bench once a week and do like 3 sets”
I usually recommend benching either 2 or 3 times a week around 75%-85% of their max for good sets of 5 or 6, when they can comfortably do 85% of their max for a 5x5 or 4x6 then attempt a PR of 5%-10% and repeat.
The looks I get when I say “5x5” or 4x6 they look at me like I’m insane, but that’s how I built a reasonable bench.
The harsh reality is most aren’t training near hard or frequently enough for injury to be factor, unless they are doing something monumentally stupid
Im definitely in the dont workout enough category.
Goddamn, Bromley is speedrunning making responses to RP at this point. Talking shit about RP is becoming a gimmick in itself
These videos are like catching crabs, when one crab tries to leave for their own good, other crabs will try to bring them down and keep them down sad kinda
You fanboys to content is so sad 😂. Misinformation is so high in this community it’s only right to discuss weak talking points but you’re so stuck up on defending someone who’s making a shit ton of money off his community 😂😂
@@Peraliq I can tell you have failed business a time or three
@@Wildkoala1 projection, I work a great healthcare job and have my degrees finished. I’m not an idiot and can actually understand how to read statistics properly so I don’t adhere to people simply due to having a degree as I can interpret the data properly. Keep d riding bro, I been around for a while and I’ve seen people time and time again perpetuate certain TH-camrs to the point of dogma that it kills their own ability to discern information coherently. People use to think you needed to train like a powerlifter to become a bodybuilder 🤣. You guys are just falling for another fitness guru bs, and the bs is not what Dr. Mike says in its an entirety, it’s that not everything he says is correct especially about form. But you guys will think people calling out misinformation is hating or to be contrarian when it’s just people want HONESTY in this community full of bs. There’s a reason why in a lot of gyms now teens to young adult have such low intensity workouts and focus on the stretch only and make little gains after a two year period of lifting
@@Peraliqyou seem really unaffected by that single sentence comment.
When your list of pathologies from lifting gets increasingly longer, the buzz around recovery content becomes irresistible because the logic of doing less of the thing that is causing you problems makes too much sense, until you do the recovery and nothing gets better. Feels like recovery content is the chiropractics of lifting right now.
yay another bromley video talking about exercise science and how stress and adaptation works, we haven't seen enough of those :D
The basics work brotha
To look like a sack of potatoes like bromley @@nh1776
I enjoy your content. I hope you don't start focussing on response videos and youtube drama.
I’m natural I’m over 50. I’m more concerned with muscle mass so may be a little different for me than for you guys. Although I do move a little bit of weight progressive overload I was trying to get a few more pounds on the bar on my heavy days. I could tell you sleep essential, And of course food, fluids, correct and consistent with these things as well supplementation. Do those things and recovery becomes easier and you don’t have to take as many days off even at an older age
When I was a lot younger, like 30, I started in a sawmill doing hard manual labor. I was in pretty ok shape, but not in the shape I needed to be for the work. It kicked my ass for at least four months, but I HAD to have that job at the time, and I've never been one to give up. After a week, I couldn't walk after the ride home. I crawled from the car up to the house. I thought it was going to kill me. After a while though, my recovery time sped up a ton. I was running a resaw in a professional sawmill turning out 200,000 board feet of studs per shift, handling 400-700 lb, 9 foot long cants of lumber that had to be flipped over, turned end for end to run through the saw in the correct orientation, and there was never a moment to catch your breath. It was assholes and elbows for 12 hours straight, other than lunch break. My body adapted to the point where the work was easy, I wasn't even sore after work anymore, and I started going home and lifting to failure after work every day. It was like being on steroids after a while. I ate everything, recovered immediately, to the point where I could lift to complete muscle failure a couple times a day every day, and couldn't retain fat if my life depended on it. I only ever got into lifting at all as a teen to be healthy, so steroids have never even been a temptation for me. I was 238 lbs at 5'9", and under a healthy body fat index. Family all asked what drugs I was messed up on, but my wife would always set them straight. "He literally just works his ass off." So I started believing that muscle burnout and recovery times were bullshit, at least for me. Everyones body morphology is different though. I do believe though, that there's a breaking point, enough stress, that will force the human body to be able to do things that almost no one would believe if they saw it firsthand, and I just simply pushed mine past that point.
My problem is stress 100%. 4 kids, 60+ hours at work, sleep like crap. I wat good and train hard but my growth is baby steps. Ive accepted it as incant change much (too late to get a refund on the kids 😂, also i have insomnia). So i try to listen to my body. Take days off when i need it, push harder when i feel i have it in the tank.
MAGNESIUM. You're welcome
@@michelrood2966magnesium + vitamin c every night i've been sleeping like a baby past 2 months never felt better
Sleep like crap sounds like the problem here
I fall asleep on command so never had an issue on that
60+ hours a week... You need a better job mate
What's the point of having (so many) kids if you work so much?
Agree 1000%. For most people even recognizing what real failure feals like is a challenge inside one training-session. Or set. Let alone keeping the required intensity for a many training-blocks. This was refreshing content in sports-content.
I'm 69 and in the third year of my paleo journey of low carb diet 🏋 and HIIT. As I got stronger and more lean my recovery time needs increased.
I'm in the less is more zone. Conditioning vs strength training. Balance and Flexibility, using my new body to do real and routine work.💪🙏
Bromley is the level-headed voice of reason in this industry, where everyone else is full of clickbait & hype 🙌🏻 Much respect to you for voicing the unpopular opinion
Dr.Mike actually specified that you need to “deserve” deload. So video was about that 5% of people who go all-or-nothing all the time. Problem with that, is that people overestimate how hard they train. 80% of gym “rats” (hate this term so much) are 8-10RIR all the time. And they watch this video (actually, God bless them, if they do. Most of all don’t even bother watch or read anything about training) and only hear half of information if not less. They don’t want or can’t see the entire picture. And they can’t judge information because they don’t have enough training experience.
How do you come to that 8-10 assertion? Studies on the subject show that even untrained people can estimate their RIR with an error of 2 or less.
He specified multiple times in that video alone, so its almost like he didnt watch the video and just looked at the thumbnail.
And yeah, its for that upper percent that does everything perfectly but pushes too hard.....and IMO....pushing to hard is really easy to do. Unless youve thrown 5+ years of random experience into the endeavor (who wants to waste 5 years for no results?) You dont know where the lines are for the right amount of lifting.
Pushing yourself to the limits is easy because its simple. Theres never any doubt to the equation. A limit is a limit. Its like filling up a gas tank that doesnt have the automatic shutoff. Until you hit the limit of what the tank can hold amd it starts pouring out onto the ground, you really dont know how full it is. You can guess, but the only certainty you will ever have while filling up the tank is if it reaches the limit.
So yeah its tiring and sometimes painful, but if you hit a limit, you hit the limit. Its simple, which makes it easy. I wasted a lot of my lifting career overtraining and basically have to FORCE myself to pull back constantly. And every time i do, i get better growth. For me, it is far easier to do too much than it is to do even the correct amount, let alone too little.
The only way you "deserve" or need a deload is if your programming is so trash that you're just accumulating mountains of fatigue that you can't recover from.. or if you're running shit tons of unhealthy gear. The information out there is so detrimental to naturals it's not even funny. Quite freaking sad actually. A deload should never be necessary if you're training right and properly modulating stimulus and fatigue. Vast majority of people do not do this properly though.
@@nathanielgates2863 Absolutely not. I been training consistently from 9th grade, now i am 40. Did compete in powerlifting, did bodybuilding (not completely). It doesn’t really matter if you natural or on gear. Consistently 4-5 times a week with proper overload brings you to the point when you feel you need fn rest. Maybe not completely rest for a week, but slow shit down for sure. You can push, for sure, but logically it’s feels like you didn’t grow anything and just fighting with fatigue all the time.
They to Busey watching kali muscle and Sam sulek
a middle ground in this that ive enjoyed is just specializing. Ill keep whatever isnt a priority at a lower or maintainance volume and really turn up the dial with what i want to grow. this has worked really well at bringing up anything i consider lagging. ive even done daily training for stuff like back and arms because they can take it
3:16 That unironically sounds amazing. That's how I hope to feel after a brutal session the previous day, and often do (sadly, those only come around 1-2 / week).
The pain is so soothing - it lets me know I've done my best. I savor it whenever I can, especially that after over a year of training, it is harder to reach than before.
Rest and recovery is ESSENTIAL and the key to gainz. Train smarter while working hard. Let's keep crushing it and let's be GREAT. 🔥🔥🔥
Calm down donald trump
@@heveyweightheveyweight5399 Fake news! Have a great day champ.
There's absolutely no reason to completely take a month off. Train something else! How's your hip mobility? Shoulders? Cardio? Calisthenics skills?
Yes, more snake bites is surely the answer
Israetel sure could work on his mobility from what I've seen, surprised he didn't fall over during some of those walking lunges in one vid.
often, not doing anything does more harm than good.
@@zerrodefex I found it so funny how he did a video praising Kneesovertoesguy and emphasising how important mobility is yet he can't OHP or pullups properly lol
@@Fitnessheretic his mobility is fine, watch him do leg presses or squats. it's just the size
I'm a big fan of the channel! I typically take just a week off before a competition and occasionally do a deload or reduce load intensity to alleviate built-up fatigue. But couldn't it be argued that in strength sports, dedicating more time to deloading or even taking time off allows for better recovery of connective tissues, which tend to adapt more slowly compared to muscles?
A month off might seem long, but here in the UK, we have a lot of Polish lifters at the gym-some of the strongest guys with the best work ethic-and they often take a month off without it seeming to be detrimental.
This video made me feeling like I was tripping on acid with the warping on the face.
lmao I thought the same thing. I was like, "damn, the HPPD from those research chems I took when I was teenager is hitting"
@@diademofleaddamn bro
You are tripping on acid. You only think you aren't because you are.
Doesnt everybody take a few weeks off each year though? Like family holidays /Christmas etc .. ? does being ill count as a break?
Ive been going for 4 years since my comeback . I trained trough covid. Hell, I trained while HAVING covid ! I train hardcore ( but smart) 4 days a week and 3 days off. My sleep and diet is on point. No deloads no breaks, no nothing. And im still gaining at almost 55 years young.
I'm hitting a wall with progress because my training fatigue makes the rest of my life miserable. I'm debating just going on maintenance or doing a long break idk.
I find focusing on a lift and putting the others on maintenance to be highly beneficial when I get feeling that way. About once a year I have to cut deadlift outa my program for a month almost completely.
Take a deload and think about cutting your intensity or frequency.
I recently cut my bench days from 3 days a week to 2 days a week and a 4-month plateau where I was backsliding from overtraining disappeared overnight and I've never felt better.
Another thing that really helped me was supplementing at least 10 g of EAAs before every meal.
EAA's are not memes like BCAA's and have a ton of scientific research to back them up. Look up "EAA muscle protein synthesis studies" If you don't believe me.
I've lost so much respect for Alex over the past couple of months. He has no more ideas for good content so he's basically become the perpetual contrarian who tries to dunk on larger content creators to make himself look like an authority on the subject.
Not overtraining and recovery are massive if you are one of the savages who has to be careful not to run themselves into the ground through overwork instead of the opposite.
@@Rigg999-zz7nc Agree. Focussing on bench or OHP for 6 weeks, and dumping/minimising deadlift/squats, is a good idea if you're burning out.
This happened to me recently its a vicious circle. Eventually I took a step back and started a new 12 week program. The first month the weight is so light, but I feel so much better, can almost feel the fatigue lifted and am now ready to push on again
I don’t disagree Alex, but my takeaway from Dr Mike was more that if your joints were especially beat up an extended rest could help them heal along with connective tissue.
that bell curve at the start feels unintuitive to me. like you are really saying 70% of people in the gym are making no progress due to their volume being too low? i don't really see that happening. most people keep making at least some progress year by year. it slows down after the novice phase, but nobody is like 'i've been lifting for 15 years and for the last 10 years my strength has stayed the same, i haven't made any progress at all'. that doesn't really happen.
i do agree that taking a full month off each year (as dr. mike suggests) makes no sense though, deloads should be limited to like 10 days max, i don't see that much advantage in a month's vacation from any form of resistance training unless someone has a major injury or illness.
The curve also started with ‘just fine’ then went to ‘half assed’ when I think it was meant the other way (could be wrong just doesn’t make sense that way) but I think the overall point was supposed to be closer to 70ish% of people would see better progress with more output not less/ better recovery
Also yea nobody is going to say they’ve “been lifting for 15 years but I saw no progress in the last 10” because that’s exactly the kind of person that is going to quit going to the gym
@@Deanbedford1 that'd make more sense, but, the majority of people in the gym do it when they have time, it's not their life's purpose to be jacked, they just want to look a little better and improve their health a little and lose a little weight. so yeah most people in the gym would grow muscle faster with more volume. but that more volume would mean more time, and most of them aren't willing to increase their time in the gym because they have a life outside of the gym and it isn't that much of a priority to them. i think that's normal. it's not like they don't know they'd grow more muscle with more volume. it's that they know that, give the gym the time they can spare, and they don't worry about optimizing results, they are happy with their rate of progress. it's worth remembering that the majority of the people in gym are not avid consumers of fitness youtube, we are a tiny minority that care about it enough to watch video after video on the subject. most people in the gym don't watch any fitness youtube videos at all.
There are people who been lifting for five years who look barely any different; for the reasons mentioned in this video
@@Peraliq Agree.
if you work out too much you can fry, broil and even sauté your CNS
fuck it we go RPE 11 on deadlift AMRAPs with rests during the set
3 weeks in a row
I’m in the 5%. Learned I trained way too hard. Reeled it in and became a champion strongman
Remember kids, its not possible to ever overtrain. Max out every lift every single day
Absolutely great points. Four keys (proper training - proper rest - proper food and a good attitude) - they all matter. Is recovery important? 100 percent. You can’t train hard all the time. But volume and intensity together can lead to excessive fatigue. In my experience of 40 years of training - teaching and coaching, most people don’t need a ton of recovery if their volume isn’t too high. If you’re doing 30 sets of quads hard, obviously over time, you’ll need to recover. Also, recovery looks different for everyone. As a competitive older powerlifter, my recovery is different than when I was 30. One final thing, recovery is not laying on a sofa eating donuts.
Bromley, I'm going to disagree with you but for the exact opposite reason most people are disagreeing with you.
Most people's recovery to stress ratio is not "just fine" with only a minor amount of people being overworked. The amount of overworked people is probably less than 1%. I warrant that the majority of lifters can still be considered sedentary and out of shape, and could probably add another hour of their day to vigorous exercise and be just fine. When you look at the nattie greats from the Silvery Era, many of them were working out practically all day. Weight lifting, swimming, running, playing tennis and volleyball, practicing gymnastic feats. Look at Steve Reeves for a great example of this. The reality is that many strongmen and powerlifters are terrifyingly overweight and really don't need to be taking time off to recover, they need to be getting more cardio and active recovery in.
His video about too much hard work being counterproductive is super important.
I recently went through a 4-month plateau because I was running myself into the ground training bench three times a week with very high intensity. After moving to two days a week I started progressing rapidly again. My nutrition, sleep and supplementation stayed the exact same. If he released that video earlier I may have never had gone through that plateau.
For average people I agree that recovery is a bit of a meme with that being said for the most hardcore people recovery and not overtraining is probably one of the most important points of emphasis to maximize growth.
Its pretty obvious what has happened here. Mike stopped doing bent rows, and corrupted his true self in doing so. His soul is naked, and cold in the empty.
Excellent interesting content as always.
Viva Bromley!
Im for sure nowhere close to elite but i think an aspect not talked about for recovery is what type of training do you respond to. Until i found high frequency full body i always felt as if the sessions left me completely spent even if i was doing on average less volume per week. Intrasession volume tolerance is a big thing that goes unnoticed far too often. I have no problems now hitting my 15 sets of quads every week without having to die every leg day, no doms and better progression while having the volume dispersed In 5 weekly sessions. Some people might tolerate more volume per session and choose more time to recover instead of just 24h. Id rather hit my 3 sets of quads daily and thats it
I haven't lifted in 10 years but I can tell you, having had physical jobs for 30 years, there def is a crossover point for exertion vs gain and if you ignore that, you're going to go backwards in gaining benefits from extra work. I don't see why this would be any different for structured exercise. I think Mike is just pointing out that the old-school "go max every time for max gains and damn the torpedoes" is just that: old-school. If I overexert the previous week I am f'n tired on day one and it keeps getting worse as the week wears on. There should be a "sweet spot" for recovery (specifics probably indexed to the individual) and I think trying to broadly systemize that is correct. Mike's a scientist so of course he's going to go by data and studies.
Yes, but the weird thing is that backing off and recovering as you need it isn't really 'old school' it's a more modern thing. Many pre-60s bodybuilders took way more recovery time. And strength lifters like Bill Starr built it into his routines (the heavy-medium-light day system). What I see now is more and more people on the 6 days a week routines and high volume preaching 'more is better' and rest is for wimps. No wonder they all end up seeking out chemical assistance.
i took 2 weeks off and came back pushing and pulling a lot more weight. i was going 5 days in a row, 2 days off, heavy lifting each session. Was thinking of going every other day, maybe taking two days off in a row every now and again. Some days high volume, others for heavy lifting.
For over 2 years I ran 6-day PPL and worked myself to death. I’m 6’0” and bulked from 160-200lbs. At 200lbs, my max bench was 195lbs and my top set was 3 x 8 with 160lbs. Couldn’t do a 215lb squat - if I did anything above that, it was a half squat.
Eventually I decided to stop being an idiot and switch to 4-Day U/L while prioritizing recovery. I also cut from 200 to 180lbs. I literally did the same exercises, sets and reps - I just split them across 4 days instead of 6. By the time I was 180, I could do 4 x 5 135lbs on OHP, 3 x 5 with 225lbs on Benchs, 6 reps of 315 on Squat, and more. Recovery is VITAL and I learned the hard way about not caring about fatigue and wasting years in the gym.
Edit: this experience is why I don’t believe in 6-day PPL. It blasts you with volume while leaving a paltry 1 day to recover. I don’t understand how anyone makes gains off of it, even if they’re not overtraining.
Sorry but this video is just like destiny. You just want to disagree for no reason.
I had pushed myself to the limits for 3 month. My training fatigue is so high that last week I couldn't finish my last training. I knew it's time for a deload. I couldn't even lift as much as I should. After a deload I come back and I'm far stronger than I ever was. Every fcking deload the same. If I wouldn't take a week to deload, I would probably not only injure myself but most likely my testosterone levels would be down from 470 to 100. Resting is the most important part of any training session but you have to earn it. That's all to the video of Mike there is. Mike doesn't say that "oh training hard is bad" he just says that if your systemic fatigue 8s so high, you can barely move weights, take a fckn rest.
Did you even watch his video or did you just look at the thumbnail? Because he literally said all of this…
Am I still high off that gas station weed or is it Bromley's face floating like waves
I think you are being a little unfair to your viewers here alex. While you may be correct that 70% of gym goers half ass their sets, I think a lot of young adults in the gym these days do need to be told to ease off, especially those interested enough in the nitty gritty of training to watch Doctor Mike and yourself. We have been raised in a hustle culture where effort is the only measure of one's success and thus yiu mist give everything or nothing at all in order to succeed at something and so I thought mikes message of putting in 80-90% was a very responsible and very helpful philosophy to live by, nit just in the gym but in all aspects, a rare miss on your part imo this time.
That sounds like you're projecting yourself into the masses
Sounds like some projection going on in that comment
@@leonardo9259 So do you believe that these people are as rare as Alex says when you consider that they care enough about training to look at his videos and Mike Israetael's and yet for whatever reason don't consider to just work a bit harder!? Also even if we are a rare breed of person that does not mean that videos should not be made with us in mind to help rather than the 70% who don't try hard enough, that is just an argument ad populum.
@@samalmond2321 It is pretty rare, there are like 2 people in my gym that train with any sort of intensity and dozens who completely half ass their workout with garbage exercise selection and form.
I really hope this channel doesn't spiral into a "Look what Dr. Mike just said" show.
After watching this channel long enough, I'm improving faster than ever. I understand when it's time to deload, when I've earned it.
Does this guy always just engagement bait with other channels?
Nop, that's new....
This used to be a great channel for strongman stuff but for the last year or so it's become more of a ragebait Greg Doucette type channel.
@@paavoilves5416 it's the price to have sponsors and push your business... There are so many "old school" that didn't fell in that scheme like Alan Thrall, the guys in BB Medicine, Silent Mike, and even Omar don't seem to have this kind of content... Still learning from Brom and many more
So you're telling me i need gear then
Agreed! I take deloads regularly (6-8 weeks inbetween, 1-1.5 weeks time, normally a focus on cardio work, with 8 sets per muscle group at a low intensity) and every time I go back in I hit a PR (normally on reps). I can't imagine a month off being beneficial.
But, I'm never going to be Ronnie Coleman or Mitchell Hooper. Something tells me those guys need a month off every now and again, lol.
Seeing as how Mike's video is 30 minutes long, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Brome domes in the comment section criticizing Mike's video didn't even watch it in its entirety and believe that this video is a legit criticism of it. If you watch Mike's video and believe that he was saying one shouldn't train hard or anything like that, you simply weren't paying attention/were watching from a biased pov. JFC, Bromely, I'm a fan, but ya gotta be better than this.
Mikes video is very clear and he says work 80-90% most of the time, which makes sense to he successful long term. I dont really understand the hate in the comments. He never said dont work hard, he always says work the hardest you can while it being possible to do it long term.
Me personally probably maybe needed more recovery back when I did work out. I very often failed to finish any set of benching past the first one for targeted reps. With the same weight I'd do 10, then maybe 8 or 6 then maybe 4.
This wouldn't be a big issue if I was actually getting stronger which I wasn't. It was just stagnating in wieght and reps during the newbie gains period so I don't really think proper recovery as Mike Israetel mentions would hurt.
That's not even recovery exactly. That's moronic weight selection/programming. If you're routinely choosing a weight that you drop from 10 reps to 4 reps on a program calling for straight sets then you're training way too intensely on that given day. To drop from 10 to 4 sounds like you're literally going rpe 10 every set. Its dumb for its own sake but surely you'd recognize you can't reasonably expect to go to failure and then hit the exact same number of reps immediately after. A longer rest period between workout wouldn't really be the answer you just have no idea how to manage your reps and sets in the day itself. The nuts and bolts of a single session are missing.
@@Isaiah_McIntosh How I did workout was absolutely dumb no doubt.
However my rpe was not a 10 on the first set. I could probably do 13~15 rep with the given weight so more like a rpe of 7 to 8. I placed an artificial restriction I placed so I could do more reps for subsequent sets later. Also considering my recovery was only 1 minute between sets, I'd says what I had was heavily a recovery issue that stemmed from bad programming.
Currently doing Bald Omni Man's PPL on a cut, going to failure on all isolation and 8 or 9 rpe on compounds. Still feel fine. It seems to me that if you're not an ultra fast-twitch dominant "fastgainer", you can get away with volume+intensity. Of course this might change when you get much stronger. But most people aren't there yet.
I wouldn’t really call rpe 8 or 9 on isolations intense training, at least for me personally, there is a massive difference in stimulus and fatigue for grinding that last rep
@@dogbreedsareamyth9409 agreed, that's why I go to failure on them, as I said. Or did you not misread my comment and just reaffirmed it?
@@TheJipino dyslexic moment
I unsubbed from RP a while ago. Their hypertrophy made simple series is GOAT'd but recently their content has gotten way worse. It just seems like their videos are mostly recycled sex jokes, jokes about butlers and lambos and very little valuable content.
Although, the video on nootropics which they had to take down because of how unscientific it was, was the final nail in the coffin for me. Most of the advice Mike gives is sound, but you can tell he's running out of ideas for content and has resorted to comment bait videos.
Dr Mike is very knowledgeable about lifting and sports science, but he doesn't know dick about anything else (that he clearly thinks he knows a lot about). His interview with Doctor Mike was honestly embarrassing.
Their content from a few years ago was genuinely incredible. Especially the series you mentioned and the one on nutrition
Yeah man they had older content that is great, and generally they give very good and properly nuanced advice. It's just started to become so much extra fluff now that they have made videos about almost all the practical content
he peaked about a year ago, then he and RP pivoted and became slave to their app and those youtube bucks…
@@Jade93972lol how clueless this sounds, also that interview was awesome
seems like the dr mike pile-on gonna be fuckin epic
It’s about time ngl
Dr. Mike simply said train at about 85% your maximum recoverable volume. That is still VERY intense! And is sustainable long term. Most people are nowhere near that volume/intensity like Alex said.
A debate would be kewl
At least in my training, at some point if my blocks strung together for too long my nagging injuries just refused to go away. I got hip bursisits in 2022 and it progressively got worse until I could barely squat at all with out some very bad pain. I tried everything. Countless exercises stretches and even a cortisone shot. Some of it helped a little but nothing helped as much as leaving my squat alone for a month at rehabbing it. Once I came back it was night and day. I talked with Dave tate at length last year about programming and his view was that after every meet should be about a 2 week period of no load at all (one month a year). Of course there is plenty of nuance needed and I think RP could make that more clear. As someone who has been training for about 5 years now I could tell that the video was not for the beginner but as someone new I may not take it that way. I still thought the advice was sound though on the premise that you are training hard enough to need it. Your points are valid too but it feels like you make it sound a little too simple to me. Like "if you do these things then recovery shouldn't really be a problem". While it's true generally you can't always say deloads are unnecessary either. Yes they are basics of programming and everyone should follow them but they won't do everything for you. Just my thoughts!
I love that he used the iron mind Unbelievable Bulgarians video
Alex, Do you know of Chris Beardsley? He has defined a "Fatigue" model based on Calcium Ion damage to the muscle body. He defines what causes such damage and generally how long it could take to recover from. Assuming other factors are OK (Sleep, Nutrition), training can continue as long as there is no or minimal calcium Ion damage.
Problem with that is there are so many types of fatigue effecting strength/hypertrophy/recovery.
Not just peripheral nervous system fatigue, but also systemic fatigue, axial fatigue, and then you also have to take into account other secondary and tertiary downstream effects such as increased cortisol. And that doesn’t even take into account the difference in acute and chronic fatigue, such as central nervous system fatigue(which is acute, cns fatigue actually goes away quickly), depleted ATP and depleted glycogen stores causing massive acute fatigue intra session which can be just as detrimental depending on the situation
As someone who doesn’t use any steroids or PEDs, I can tell when I need recovery days. I usually feel tired and lethargic at my day job with my brain feeling swollen/ groggy.
Slow and steady wins the race. In literally any other skill, like guitar or math, the beginner knows they are going to suck for at least a year. Lifting has quicker returns than most other skills so we get an ego inflation. I think of recovery the same way I think of eating. Listen to your dang body, it knows better than any study or instagram influencer.
I'll still watch RP for their body building perspective. But the one that made me lol the other day was when they said rear delt flies cause too much axial fatigue to make it a good exercise.
What's happening to your face? Thought I had a stroke or the screen was broke but there's some glitch going on with the video.
4:29 lowtiergod x Bromley collab
Not gonna watch the video. You clearly didnt watch Mike's video and he's never wrong even when he's wrong. So always keep an open mind and discern what works for you which means ignoring everyone except for Dr. Mike. Because clearly, he's the best!
I love your content but one way to show you are the smaller channel is by throwind shade at the big ones and see who comes. Even the haters. Jeff Nippard, Athlean X and Dr. Mike are the biggest fitness channels and they don't waste their time critiquing other channels, they focus on their content. You should do that. You have interesting ideas that I haven't seen anywhere else.
Hoping you can do a reaction/review on Hoopers last video: 8 most useless exercises
I feel like I always hit a snag after leg days. Big doms effect. I could still do push day the next day no problem. Almost always need to take a rest day on the 3rd day before pull day/deadlift in order to feelnat my best.
Just reading the title of his video that you showed contradicts you, he doesn’t say “hard work” is detrimental he says “working too hard” is, which is a completely different and much more nuanced sentiment.
Alex, you gained me as a viewer by being pragmatic and intuitive, and you're losing me by trying to use bigger channels for drama and clickbait.
Clickbait is A.) deceptive and B.) done for views. Given that these are my actual strong opinions and these videos usually do poorly, it's not very good clickbait. No discipline is better if people just mind their business and avoid conflict or criticism; avoiding 'drama' just for the sake of playing nice is not a virtue anywhere. Mike is a hugely influential character who reaches millions of young lifters, so when he posts nonsense, who should point it out? We should just stay quiet to avoid 'drama'?
I think RP just makes stuff to flood youtube with response videos at this point.
damn, accidental first comment 😆
And people like Bromley and especially Bugenhagen intentionally miss the point (Bromley) or unintentionally miss the point because they are a hammer and everything is a nail (Eric). Bromley is just taking a video on a single topic and thinking that it doesn't include the wider context of what a channel releases.
They have great content, but they gotta make money, too. Also, I don't know if you wrote that ironically considering the video you're on lol
@@Jdm5299they’re losing credibility quickly with the garbage they’re putting out. Literally nobody worth their salt especially in the natural scene takes 4 weeks off every year if they want to improve, for instance
@nh1776 he was catering it to people who work out way too hard. But, at best, a deload would be ideal to prevent oneself from overreaching. Even then, just changing exercise selection is good enough rather than a typical deload.
Thats not how u draw a graph
It will always be more profitable to cater to lazy people than hard workers.
@str1ker_eureka it's not catered to lazy people, but rather casual fitness enthusiasts. A lot of people who work out don't want to be bodybuilders, powerlifters, or strongman. It's easier to cater casuals than to a niche population of hard-core lifters.
@@Jdm5299I agree with you mate, most people aren't going to be interested in the competitive scenes. What I tend to see though (as a competitive strongman) is that so many people who are casual fitness types will also wonder why their results aren't as good, and then buy into all these ideas like "my arms are too long" or 'I have bad genetics' without actually putting in the amount of effort you need for a particular goal. There is nothing wrong with that, getting big or getting strong is painful as hell or doesn't suit some lifestyles. But the fact that so many channels profit over making videos muddling the water is painful
TH-cam fitness lives off noobs and gymcels who have been noobs for years because they base their training entirely on fitness influencer advice, which is more often than not designed to keep you a noob. It's an endless cycle.
@@noahpearce4105 Can I ask if you have any issues around recovery and eating that you would be willing to share?
I'm a therapist for athletes, mostly the strength sports and gymnastics for now, and I'd say that 50% of my time is spent on issues around food.
@@BuJammy hey buddy yeah of course. Really differs for different people, but I reckon the big ones are sleeping enough, and just making sure you eat enough. Diet in general is a pretty broad topic, we can see people thrive eating in all sorts of different ways haha but my layman recommendation is to eat pretty clean, lots of veggies, decent amount of protein. "Dirty" foods can be fine, but personally I feel gross if I eat too much. If athletes are in weight classes there is more to it to stay in their class. Honestly, basic diet templates like The Vertical diet are the best IMO.
For other recovery, Sleep is number 1. If you sleep only 5 hours a night then increasing that number will have the biggest impact on results. Beyond that it's pretty basic stuff that I personally do, making sure I stay mobile and keep my general fitness pretty high is important. Same with just general health aye.
Hope some of that helps mate
I think at times I've gone way too hard, or at least too many exercises per session.
Watched Hooper's video and he said if youre an advanced lifter youre probably lifting 3-5 times a week lol
Weird how the science bros are pushing ppl into Mentzerite recovery paranoia. I think Mike's video was good about teaching cost vs benefit but it relies on ppl knowing the basics and being able to push themselves
You seem to talk a lot without really saying much. Fluff, just like you.
Needing deloads is a sign that your training is accumulating fatigue and you are not recovering from it. If you are that fatigued then you probably are making zero gains at all. The only real acception to this is strength athletes after competition.
I can't take mike seriously anymore
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
@@drinkinouttacups2665 😂
Good video dude.
23&me said i have elite performance athlete genetics
Lol how many people actually watched the video before they commented? He did a click bait title and thumbnail but agreed with Mike lol
This dude does everything he can to not understand what Mike says 😂
Spot on brom
Bromley rants
This video was just above the rp video in my recc wtf
Coming after Mike hard once again for them $$$
lol at 52 there is no way in hell I’m taking a month off. If I need a rest day or two I’ll take one but no way a month! I’m too close death to waste that much time!
Seems to me that RP offer good food for thought. You can't take a single video, you have to look at the whole series of messages, and then they make more sense. I think people are trashing RP because what they offer knocks holes in many of the programmes offered by the internet experts, and they don't like it.
No.... what they offer is really generic programming advice with a couple of small twists that fit their own branding. You have to go out to the fringes with lunatics like Seedman to find them 'knocking holes' in someones training philosophy. Most of it's really good, some of it's stupid. I don't need to report on everything Mike has ever said to criticize a few dumb video titles.
@@AlexanderBromley This really is eating you up - chill
Sorry man but I feel like there better way to get across your point rather than just being a mike isratel hate channel. I am not even a big fan of the guy but it is kinda annoying seeing you use this random bald for your thumbnails. People will watch your strongman and programming videos you dont have to stoop to this.
Smh i wanna start lifting but all this is overwhelming