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My big problem with the Chanamommy idea... she got killed by a kid. She was aware that she was in a combat situation with a surgebinder. She had every reason to suspect that Shallan could have access to a live sprenblade, she knew the girl had surges. She watched Shallan raise her arms to hold the Blade. The only response I've heard from people was, she was just careless, she just assumed Shallan couldn't have a Blade. But as we learn in Tress, people who have successfully not been killed for thousands of years don't do that by making a lot of risky assumptions. If you make one decision with a 1% chance of killing you ever year, after a single century you're likely to die. So why would one of the best warriors in the entire cosmere decide to take a foolish risk and get killed? She could have thrown the knife from across the room and gotten Shallan in the eye without getting anywhere near shardblade range. And why did it even get that far? Per Shallan's recollection in Words of Radiance, which was a Truth that merited an oath for her, the friend (I'm just gonna call him Dreder, it's implied but not confirmed, but just to reduce the confusion of "he"s) Dreder had a knife, he and Lin fought. Dreder cut cut on the arm but managed to pin down Lin. Shallan's mom picked up the knife to do it herself and came for Shallan. Does that sound plausible? Chana would have been able to break Lin's wrist and pin him to the wall one handed. Why did she let Dreder get stabbed and tussle with her husband? It just doesn't add up. Now, maybe there is some other reason for all those things, maybe the Unmade watching over the house saw a chance and somehow distracted or restrained Chana just at the critical moment to let Shallan strike. But, there has to be some explanation, cuz "she just didn't consider Shallan a threat" does not hold water.
There’s definitely more to how it happened, if in fact this is what happened. I think it’s an interesting theory, but you make some good points about the scenario the characters of the moment would have been in. My only thought is that Shallan wasn’t moving aggressively (perhaps crying on her knees), and simply summoned the blade in her mother’s stomach out of instinct and not thinking as she approached, hence her immediate grief and betrayal of Testament . If the theory turns out correct, I hope the full situation becomes clear either by Chana explaining herself, or Shallan finally completing that truth.
@@Unarchivist I don't know that I think it's possible to just pick a spot, even inside someone, and just summon your blade in it; if so, why aren't more people doing that? And, if it was possible, why wouldn't Chana have known it could happen and be ready for that? I dunno. I'd accept an answer along the lines of "something occurred that specifically made Chana vulnerable in a way which makes sense" but there's just no iteration of "Chana just didn't see it coming" that I think is plausible. Whatever Shallan could have done, there would have to be some reason Chana couldn't have known it was possible. A woman who spent thousands of years fighting alongside talented surgebinders.
You are missing the fact the Harold are not fully sane at this point. It can easily be concluded that she had a laps in judgment despite her skill. Another possibility along the same line is she may have become lucid for a moment, realizing she was trying to kill her own daughter, and couldn’t do it allowing Shallan to kill her.
@@joshwallace7354 That's just the same hand-wavy answer. Every other Herald is just as crazy, and they all have the same incredible levels of combat prowess. Taln caught darts out of the air when he was nearly catatonic. Nale caught an arrow from a Shardbow fired feet away. It is the height of insulting to mental health concerns when an author says "oh well the person is crazy which means I can just have them do whatever I wanna do so in this case she just dies" and Brandon has never been that thoughtless of a writer. Beyond which, I already addressed this. If she dies just because "is crazy", she's been that crazy for at least centuries, prolly millennia. If her craziness is "I'm just gonna not save myself from being killed" why hasn't she died to anything else in thousands of years? Oh, because the author needed it not to happen until just now? That isn't how mental illness works, and Brandon is too good an author to say otherwise.
I can actually see that being her 5th ideal. Confronting her mother, asking her why she tried to kill her own daughter, and then accept that she's ultimately not why the true desolation happened. It would fully finish Shallan's character arc and wrap up her story nicely. Finally admitting that it isn't her fault that her parents failed her, that it was their fault not hers.
That’s a cool theory! Do you think Shallan has already sworn her 4th ideal, and was it the moment she absorbed veil? Hard to tell with the Lightweavers…
@@dunnejos8423 Thank you, this is the opposite of the theory I hear from a lot of fans, and your way makes way more sense. Most fans want her to accept responsibility, that it was her fault all along that "the world ended", which I think is silly. She had no way to know what she was doing and she was not the person who put her in the situation of "either you die, or you start a desolation to save yourself." Accepting that she's not responsible for what her mom put her through would be a far better Ideal. I still don't think her mom is Chana cuz how could a Herald lose a battle against an opponent she had every reason to suspect might have a Blade, but if so, this is a way better Fifth Oath than the opposite.
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My big problem with the Chanamommy idea... she got killed by a kid. She was aware that she was in a combat situation with a surgebinder. She had every reason to suspect that Shallan could have access to a live sprenblade, she knew the girl had surges. She watched Shallan raise her arms to hold the Blade.
The only response I've heard from people was, she was just careless, she just assumed Shallan couldn't have a Blade. But as we learn in Tress, people who have successfully not been killed for thousands of years don't do that by making a lot of risky assumptions. If you make one decision with a 1% chance of killing you ever year, after a single century you're likely to die. So why would one of the best warriors in the entire cosmere decide to take a foolish risk and get killed? She could have thrown the knife from across the room and gotten Shallan in the eye without getting anywhere near shardblade range.
And why did it even get that far? Per Shallan's recollection in Words of Radiance, which was a Truth that merited an oath for her, the friend (I'm just gonna call him Dreder, it's implied but not confirmed, but just to reduce the confusion of "he"s) Dreder had a knife, he and Lin fought. Dreder cut cut on the arm but managed to pin down Lin. Shallan's mom picked up the knife to do it herself and came for Shallan.
Does that sound plausible? Chana would have been able to break Lin's wrist and pin him to the wall one handed. Why did she let Dreder get stabbed and tussle with her husband? It just doesn't add up.
Now, maybe there is some other reason for all those things, maybe the Unmade watching over the house saw a chance and somehow distracted or restrained Chana just at the critical moment to let Shallan strike. But, there has to be some explanation, cuz "she just didn't consider Shallan a threat" does not hold water.
There’s definitely more to how it happened, if in fact this is what happened. I think it’s an interesting theory, but you make some good points about the scenario the characters of the moment would have been in. My only thought is that Shallan wasn’t moving aggressively (perhaps crying on her knees), and simply summoned the blade in her mother’s stomach out of instinct and not thinking as she approached, hence her immediate grief and betrayal of Testament . If the theory turns out correct, I hope the full situation becomes clear either by Chana explaining herself, or Shallan finally completing that truth.
@@Unarchivist I don't know that I think it's possible to just pick a spot, even inside someone, and just summon your blade in it; if so, why aren't more people doing that? And, if it was possible, why wouldn't Chana have known it could happen and be ready for that? I dunno. I'd accept an answer along the lines of "something occurred that specifically made Chana vulnerable in a way which makes sense" but there's just no iteration of "Chana just didn't see it coming" that I think is plausible. Whatever Shallan could have done, there would have to be some reason Chana couldn't have known it was possible. A woman who spent thousands of years fighting alongside talented surgebinders.
You are missing the fact the Harold are not fully sane at this point. It can easily be concluded that she had a laps in judgment despite her skill. Another possibility along the same line is she may have become lucid for a moment, realizing she was trying to kill her own daughter, and couldn’t do it allowing Shallan to kill her.
@@joshwallace7354 That's just the same hand-wavy answer. Every other Herald is just as crazy, and they all have the same incredible levels of combat prowess. Taln caught darts out of the air when he was nearly catatonic. Nale caught an arrow from a Shardbow fired feet away. It is the height of insulting to mental health concerns when an author says "oh well the person is crazy which means I can just have them do whatever I wanna do so in this case she just dies" and Brandon has never been that thoughtless of a writer.
Beyond which, I already addressed this. If she dies just because "is crazy", she's been that crazy for at least centuries, prolly millennia. If her craziness is "I'm just gonna not save myself from being killed" why hasn't she died to anything else in thousands of years? Oh, because the author needed it not to happen until just now? That isn't how mental illness works, and Brandon is too good an author to say otherwise.
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Holy shit the chanarach theory 👀
Would certainly lend even more weight to Shallan thinking that the world was ending and it was all her fault
I can actually see that being her 5th ideal. Confronting her mother, asking her why she tried to kill her own daughter, and then accept that she's ultimately not why the true desolation happened. It would fully finish Shallan's character arc and wrap up her story nicely. Finally admitting that it isn't her fault that her parents failed her, that it was their fault not hers.
That’s a cool theory! Do you think Shallan has already sworn her 4th ideal, and was it the moment she absorbed veil? Hard to tell with the Lightweavers…
@@dunnejos8423 Thank you, this is the opposite of the theory I hear from a lot of fans, and your way makes way more sense. Most fans want her to accept responsibility, that it was her fault all along that "the world ended", which I think is silly. She had no way to know what she was doing and she was not the person who put her in the situation of "either you die, or you start a desolation to save yourself."
Accepting that she's not responsible for what her mom put her through would be a far better Ideal. I still don't think her mom is Chana cuz how could a Herald lose a battle against an opponent she had every reason to suspect might have a Blade, but if so, this is a way better Fifth Oath than the opposite.
someone needs to pour over descriptions of lifts mother. she's talked about way too often to be irrelevant
That’s a great point! There could be something there for sure!!