There seems to be some confusion about what I meant by wanting LPL to have a win so let me give a bit more context. In a collaboration it's best if both parties come out with some kind of win. If only one party benefits that's pretty lame for the other person & their audience. Since I had two locks I felt I could send the first with the known defects which would likely lead to it's defeat (and thus guarantee a win with the interesting explanation for LPL) and then second lock I hoped he wouldn't be able to pick.
dude, after all your time, energy and resources that you put into the lock...LPL defeat it with common lockpicking tools... but then he did that to so many others lock engineers, so in this case it's unfortunate that you just become part of LPL's list of humiliated lock engineers
Best collaboration video I have seen. Great to see the LPL working your designs and the end result is that your locks are now virtually unpickable; kudos for those amazing and original lock designs. This is how amazing products are made and in no way a defeat.
Great reaction video. I never noted in my video how impressed I was by the originality of the designs. I have people show me “new” lock designs quite often, and they are usually just variations of decades old patents. In fact, it’s pretty common for me to find my own “original” ideas covered by patents filed before I was born. Getting to play with two completely new designs at once was fun. Once again, nice job on these!
@@_24___ thank you. i got my gmail open and it said: 24 has replied to your comment.. and i was like: wow 24 ppl in under a 1 min x) LOL. hope he gets help from #Stuffmadehere using the cnc
"If I just made locks that he couldnt pick, thats not interesting" I dont think you know his audience at all. If you made a lock that LPL couldnt pick the entire internet would explode
I mean, the only "lock" that LPL wouldn't be able to pick would be electronic ones which are well outside of the purview of a locksmith and in the territory of a cybersecurity expert. If it doesn't have a keyhole, it's not exactly a lock anymore, now is it?
@@zettour. almost all electronic locks can be opened manually since they have a backup system for when electrical power is not available. So LPL's channel does feature electronic locks.
@@doctorakiba I didn't say electronic locks are unpickable. I said any unpickable locks would be electronic. Pretty important difference. For example, if you had a titanium electronic lock that takes a passcode welded onto a titanium blast door, I don't think LPL has any chance of opening that with anything in his garage even if you gave him a week. On the otherhand, a dinky little plastic electronic keypad lock could probably be bypassed pretty easily by normal people, much less a genius locksmith.
LPL does showcase an unpickable lock on his channel...but it's a sticker. Also, he frequently opens electronic locks with magnets, paperclips, hammers, etc.
@@danielduncan6806 As LPL commented here in the comments himself I think a big part of his impression was regarding how actually original these designs are. They might not be fine tuned to cover some of the less direct attacks but actually new ideas in lock design seem extremely rare which is what made this so interesting it seems. Not being a slight modification of an existing design that does little to nothing to actually truly improve the lock from a picking perspective is frequently marketed as "new" when the end result really doesn't mean much. For someone with no real experience in lock design or lock picking this sort of innovation toward making something better than current locks was impressive. LPL looks at a LOT of locks that are all largely the same so seeing something truly new, even if it could use some fine tuning, is impressive.
For what it's worth, I'd definitely be interested in this being a semi-ongoing series, and seeing you fix the exploits he mentioned and send him a new version, so he can find new exploits.
I would love if it went in two simultaneous directions: one, where Shane iterates on these designs to try to make truly unpickable locks, regardless of their viability as commercially producible locks. The second, which Shane seems to be leaning towards, is trying to figure out how these locks could be redesigned in a way that makes them viable for mass production. I would enjoy both.
He said that LPL admitted that if those three exploits got fixed, which can be done quite easily, LPL wouldn't be able to pick the locks. It wouldn't be an ongoing series. That's why SMH is thinking about how to raise the stakes to make it a more appealing video. Personally, I'd like to see SMH vs the world, to not just give it to LPL but to challenge anyone to pick it, and give a bounty to anyone who can succeed.
Definitely! Maybe something in the style of the marble machine? Where its just a small fix but we get to see the process. Instead of all this finished content.
I would have loved a back and forth competition where you send him the incremented fixed lock, he cracks it and you watch the video to figure out a workaround. Could be a whole series!
I think that would suit LPL’s channel well, given that picking locks and finding vulnerabilities in 3 minutes or less is his bread and butter. Wouldn’t work so well on Shane’s channel with 10+ minute videos showing the whole production process.
Is there any lock he has failed to pick? Or even given him some trouble? I don’t watch every video of his but I’ve probably seen 50 and every single time he goes through all of them in seconds.
Except that LPL will do anything to defeat the lock, including use fire, drills, chemicals, saws, etc... lol. He's not ever really said non-destructive.
Truth be told, the fact that the LPL kept complimenting your work and design, while still showing it's vulnerabilities is a testament to the quality of the locks you made. Keep up the good work!
Some of the best locks on the market get “good enough for the streets” a quite is incredible especially for someone who doesn’t professionally make locks
@@leukl3730 LPL did not picked up the lock. He just went around by destroying the wood of the door. The simple idea of covering the lock from the back, use metal door surface or put the lock slightly deeper in the door surface prevents everybody, including LPL to pick the lock. So video of LPL doesn't help anybody to pick the lock.
@@mareksykora779 That's the thing though, this is just the first attempt with the first attack with the first solutions. I'd like to see the next attack and the way LPL will circumvent the countermeasures put in place to pick it. It's not as simple as saying that a back plate will completely prevent all future attacks. Someone could still drill through the front face of the lock body and trip that lever like StuffMadeHere said.
@@vanhin30 The solution for drilling is to put the lock completelly under surface of the door covered by front iron plate. Nothing to change in the lock itself.
Yupp. That's what a lot of people seem to forget: LPL is easily among the 100 best lockpickers in the world, if not the top 10. If it takes him multiple attempts to get the pick open with his most reliable attack, and even then taking several minutes to make a single attempt, it is an absolutely phenomenal lock. There is almost nobody else alive who could get through this lock non destructively.
@@tinetannies4637 He's genuinely one of the best people in locksport, and not just because he's a big name. If you look at his competition history, he pretty consistently wins local locksport competitions. I don't know how he'd stack up in terms of worldwide lock pickers, because there's currently no recognized international leaderboard, but even if you ask dedicated pickers - and people have - they respect him not only for his youtube abilities and garnering interest in the hobby, but also for his skill at picking.
I wish the first time I went against a heavyweight like the LPL, having only worked with your engineering background and none of centuries of innovation around locks, made him think about exploits and give you the constructive criticism of saying "with a couple of tweeks these would be formidable locks". It's like going up against a heavyweight fighter and you're going to show them how tap dancing can be effective then you're able to last a couple rounds and during the post fight the heavyweight says "with a little bit of work that tap dancer would have been a formidable fighter"
I feel for you: I've had my own products picked apart in a public forum (software, in my case) where the presenter had contacted me before doing it and it was hard to sit through, so I can well imagine how painful this was, but fundamentally what you achieved was about as much positivity as anyone has ever got from the LPL. Minor and easily fixed flaws. Great locks.
17:00 A clarification about why damage is considered in lockpicking - there are 2 basic classifications for entry methods, overt entry (obvious signs of a break in) and covert entry (preventing the victim from realising someone broke in). Lockpicking falls into covert entry, mainly because it's a method to make it seem like there was no attempt/damage to the door/entry, as if someone wanted to gain entry without worrying about preventing the victims from noticing the damage, they'll just go straight to faster and more effective methods such as breaking a window, drilling out the lock, etc. Therefore, if someone were to resort to the complexities and trouble of picking a lock, they'll probably want to not leave a mark, and thus preventing obvious damage to a door would be a fairly important point.
So it's mostly a difference of purpose. Remember this guy has a partially-suppressed gunpowder nailgun for getting locks to break that'd you'd really think shouldn't be breakable.
There is also the consideration that locksmiths use lockpicking for a customer who has locked themselves out. If I hired someone to get me into my house and they scratched up my door I would be irritated. Of course a lot of locksmiths will just drill out the lock and charge you for a new one.
In my watching history, I don’t think any lock outside of an impossible (so far without practicing with tools that haven’t been invented yet) one or two from the same maker has ever received praise to the level of your designs. “Formidable” is _not_ a word he throws around, and that’s with minor adjustments. We’re much more used to hearing “not really a challenge,” or “fatal design flaw.”
As a carpenter who has alot of experience installing doors, most doors don't have a square edge on the latch side. They have a obtuse angle on the doorstop side (in this case "interior") and an acute angle on the opposite side (exterior). Easy fix, or you nailed it... make the door open in sorts out access to the deadbolt and the hinges. Great job on the locks, wow. It was very entertaining watching all three of these videos. Hats off to you and the lockpickinglawyer! I hope to see some more. Thanks mister
@@TotallyNotBrandonMost installers do it so often they become complacent, especially when building affordable housing since they might do dozens a day
Every other lock has to be concerned with production costs. If you're making a lock with the goal of selling it you want it to be cheap and easy to put together, both of which are detrimental to security. There's been previous locks with a similar idea where the pins can't be tensioned(usually by making deep pitted trap pins so it's impossible to tension the lock without locking the pins in place), the problem is said locks either wind up costing more or being more prone to breakages(large gaps to trap pins means an increased risk of something getting stuck or broken).
@@scragar If he can make a lock that takes 30min to pick, people will buy that lock for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Some people may just buy it because they're rich and interested in the engineering
@@veganpotterthevegan A few lock enthusiasts might. Maybe some rich guys. 99.9% of the market won't. You have to understand that locks are basically never the weakest link in security. Beyond a few anti-pick features you quickly move into a region where you're only vulnerable to a tiny fraction of the potential attackers - all of whom clearly are willing to devote a hell of a lot of resources to getting at whatever you've locked up. At that point they're just going to go around your very expensive unpickable lock.
@@scragar LPL did make videos on locks costing hundreds of dollars. I believe the tooling required to make locks that shane made here would have heavy upfront cost, but they should recover those money with sales (esp if they can charge hundreds)
He didn't have "no prior knowledge" - he knew how a lock worked and the basics of hoe a lock is picked. What he didn't do is research methods used to prevent picking
@@jocramkrispy305 well yea, he had to research that to makes the locks. Bit prior to him designing these and starting the project he had no prior knowledge
I mean, dude's clearly cut from a different kind of cloth right? Engineers aren't all as impressive as this guy right? I've been watching his videos, and how he finds the time and the will to do all he does for the videos AND apparently learned how to make sleak, accessible and enjoyable youtube videos (no easy feat in itself I imagine) - he's on another level. Not to mention his day job which I assume he's still doing to some degree? I think he's mentioned he manufactures and sells parts or something? Sounds like it's probably his own business. Maybe I'm just a scrub and I see all intelligent hard worker people as genius, I dunno. But from my perspective, this guy is uniquely driven and talented.
It's sometimes a really good approach on how to engineer something. Gaston Glock was a plastics engineer with no prior experience in gunsmithing or in firearms engineering of any sort before he created the Glock 17. His design is now one of the most respected firearms on the planet, seeing as almost every major firearms manufacturer has copied his design.
@@skyeroy29 What you expressed was absolutely true. The humor of Zack was also apparant. In an episode of The Good Neighbors (PBS from the UK), the same type of humor was presented with the punch line of "Lima beans", funny because it was unexpected. Half a million views later is also an unexpected jump from fifteen. That's more than twice 15.
Honestly it seems like your inexperience with locks beyond the basics of how they work is something that helped you tremendously in creating such a strong design. With the second one(adding the backplate as well) the unorthodox design would have left almost anyone who hasn't seen the internals at a complete dead end
Haha, I think he's meaning that you can't really say much on a video of a lock that you can't open. It would be a 10 second video of him saying "This is the lock picking lawyer...and I can confirm these locks are unpickable (at least by me). That's all I have for you today...". It doesn't make for good entertainment value (and kudos to Shane for being humble enough to be ok with that!)
The difference is, LPL knew how the lock was constructed and how it looks from the inside and had time to think about how to pick it. The locksmith didn't know anything about it at all and has never seen anything like it before and would need to come up with a solution on the spot
To have the balls to send your original design for "field testing" to LPL, no less, is something I respect enormously. Not many people or businesses are willing to do that. People forget (or don't know) that good product design is an iterative process, especially when you're trying something innovative: You create an operational iteration, do stress tests on it, then improve it using the feedback gathered. Rinse and repeat. Keep keeping up, mate! This has huge engineering (and content creation) potential.
Oh yeah, I watched the lock creation video months and months ago, and then waited eagerly, day after day, for the LPL video on em. I lost hope till he posted it at long last :D
@@mikeznel6048 I don't think you understand at all. He said he wished people could accept that both sides won from this collab. Many many many people are trying to take sides and say dumb things like "LPL cheated by knowing how the lock worked before starting" or "SMH had no chance whatsoever" even though it's been extremely clear that LPL is very fond of these locks and wants to give the feedback to SMH for these simple exploits; and that SMH wanted to give his best work to LPL to test to see what could be improved
@@Voyajer. Just look through the comments section lol. I've seen tons of comments like that. Even on SMH's community posts there are people saying "haha you lost" and stuff like that
If you have seen the LPL's "keynote" Where the lawyer addresses how horrible the lock industry has become and asks them to start designing outside of the Box This young man has been able to do what the lock industry has not which is come up with a reliable design that is that is satisfactory for the customers needs. Great job. Can't wait to watch you improve.
In that case, bubble wrap and boxing tape would be the cheapest solution. One of these days he's going to get a bottle of whiskey in a "puzzle lock" that's just layers and layers of packaging material...
I think the "designed a lock without looking at other locks" aspect of this is really important. We need more people coming up with designs in this fashion. It's far and away the best way to get something truly new.
Like how joerg from the slingshot channel created the "instant legolas" that basically adds a magazine to a regular bow allowing for rapid fire that is a completly new design never before seen in history but technicaly completly doable even with medieval technology, something that could theoreticaly exist historicaly but just no one even came with the idea before him, and now thanks to the internet and TH-cam the design gets shared with the world and improved at a neck breaking speed
I think that it is something that can either create something revolutionary, or entirely redundant and immediately obsolete. I think knowing and understanding the current design flaws is very important to creating something new.
@@vittocrazi its still a very simple mechanism that could have provided an advantage on a potential conflict that was never invented because well, no one through about creating it, not even for a toy or anything
I dunno about you but for me it never crossed my mind that this was a competition. Not sure what you two talked about either but again I personally thought this was a cool collab between two people who wanted to make an unpickable lock! Keep up the great work!
A "Friendly" competition. This isn't a "I wanna be better than you", but a "I wanna do better, beat me so I can improve" on both side. Friendly competition is extremely healthy for a lot of things. It pushes people further.
I am thoroughly impressed by the collaboration with this project. It's way more than a guest experience. It was a real back and forth that was very entertaining to watch. I love collaboration of this calibur and hope to see more!
I want to see this continued! LPL has proven that innovation in lock technology is stagnant, and you've created something unique and effective. You two working in tandem to make a truly innovative lock that's resistant to attack would be a real treat
In the video you said, that you would send him a new Lock in the next 2 years, since the video is 2 years old now, I think it is time for a another lock. 1. Updated one, that fixes all the issues mentioned. 2. And then the new designed one that you mentioned at the end. Would be great if you would design one, that would be easy to manufacture and cheap to make, as you mentioned and then maybe license your lock idea to an actual manufacture, for example ABUS in Germany (where I am from).
Respectfully, LPL has picked locks that have hundreds of years of innovation behind their pick-resistant nature. THere's just no way you could have got it on the first try
@@johnthomas338 if by picking you mean pushing the pins, the lock that doesnt even need the pins tampered with to open can be considered even a weaker lock.
@@cartersmith9842 yes if youre going for the literal definition. If you have any other short common word for attacking the locking mechanism then please let everyone know.
@@alexmills1329 I feel a lot of people misunderstood that comment being about the second lock instead of the first, which he said he didn't modify before sending it. He wanted him to have a win, not necessarily two.
@@alexmills1329 I honestly think that's a general way a passionate engineer thinks, wanting to fix and min max everything to the best of their ability.
Another reason why picking locks without leaving damage is so important, especially if you can do it without damaging the actual lock, is because most of the time lockpickers are doing it honestly for people who just lost their keys. So the less damage you can do all around, the better!
I think at this point the “rules of engagement” are no longer in effect, you’ve had your bout and it was a fair fight, but now it can just be collaborative design, having him as a tester for any tweaks you have, until you have a design you are satisfied with. It’s no longer unfair, since the challenge is already over and LPL seems genuinely interested in improving these designs.
@@Chris-P.-Bacon-III I don't think that's viable. Way too expensive and also too many moving parts, this increases wearout, eventually making the lock inoperable it also makes them much more susceptible to destructive attacks. As he said himself, these would never be viable in real life.
Yea also lpl failed to pick the 2nd lock already, just found workarounds that are easily fixed. So congrats to smh! Incredible he designed a lock in weeks and the best lock picker on the internet couldn’t even try it!
@@maddjester65 Not a fanboy just not sure why everyone rides lpl’s D so hard. He’s a good lock picker, good job. Designing something brand new from scratch that defeats an expert?! Takes a genius. I love lpl, been subbed for years. But this smh guy is just crazy
I know you know this -- but "no damage" is basically a rule so that there is differentiation between picking a lock and just taking a jack hammer to it. Basically, by continuing to bring it up, he's saying "look, I'm not cheating _in any way_, this is actual picking". Pretty sure that if someone wanted in, they could take a sledgehammer to the lock body and it would give and expose the internals enough to open the door. Picking is an art, not a brute-force method.
@@michaelsorensen7567 "No damage" as a rule is more of a range considering that usual picks leave recognizable scratches on the pins that are visible under a microscope. To counter this, picks with a PTFE-coating were developed. So, in my opinion, the range of the meaning of "no damage" goes at least from "a normal user of the lock does not suspect it to be opened without the key, as it looks and works as ever" to "a forensic lab can't tell that the lock got opened without a legitimate key"
It probably has to do with the legal side of his work. Let's say you have a lock that can be picked without leaving any trace on it. Then something behind this lock gets stolen and the owner files an insurance claim on it. Should the insurance company just accept the owners word that it was stolen?
It was briefly mentioned as a tangent, but having 1 key that locks something and another key that unlocks it is essentially the basis of a public-private key system (although to be fair, this is mostly done digitally rather than with real keys). This has a number of uses, but the two basic ideas are that, firstly, you can make the locking key public. This then allows anyone to secure something that only you can access. Without 2 keys, this could be problematic; you have to trust someone with a key that can unlock your own lock, and there's a chance the key could be intercepted while giving it to the other person even if they are trustworthy, or stolen from them. Secondly, you can make only the unlocking key public. This way, you can secure something with the private locking key (and then probably locking it with the recipient's lock and public locking key), and have it sent to the recipient which could take it via any number of untrustworthy middlemen, but when they recieve it they will have proof that it must have been you who sent it, because it can only be unlocked by your public key (and hence must have been locked by your private key).
As a design engineer is so nice to hear the thought and intent behind your design choices. I feel a lot of the small design choices never are known to the outside world even after you spend hours and days thinking over them.
"Two keys...a key that locks it, a key that unlocks it" That's how asymmetric encryption works, in fact if you're on TH-cam right now, your web browser just used this 'two key' strategy to validate the site's identity. Also, the idea of building something to be secure, then having a third-party audit that security and tell you what vulnerabilities they find, and repeating that as a cycle is how software is *supposed* to be developed, as well as how businesses as a whole operate (on an audit lifecycle).
I know us locksporters would like to buy them if they could be made for a reasonable(or possibly unreasonable) price. Great work by both of you! There are locks that have separate keys for lock and unlock by the way.
When he talked about the win, the locking picking lawyer has a win if he can pick the lock, but that dosent mean that 'smh' (stuff made here) lost, smh wins if he makes a cool project, but for the locking picking lawyer, he has to pick the lock, so it was a win win for both
To be fair his claim was it was unpickable, and it wasn't but I certainly wouldn't call it a loss as long as he's willing to learn from his mistakes and try again. He didn't "win" in the sense he proved he could make something unpickable but as an engineer type he wins so long as he learns from the mistakes, and applies that knowledge to a new design. Ever since locks have been made lock pickers have existed and with each advance they mutually had to improve to defeat the other. It never really ends. I have no doubt that no matter what SMH does LPL will find a way in even if it requires destructive attacks or making a custom tool. But as far as your average person and even pros are concerned it proved difficult enough to be virtually unpickable in a real world scenario the longer you're there the more you risk getting caught. You don't get days to look at detailed images of the internals. You may have a plan but you're basically going in blind because you don't know what to expect...
@@SwiftCreationStudio Actually, there's a limit to how much LPL can pick. There are locks that simply block any entry to the core, which is unpickable, and of course they didn't make any silly mistake that can be exploit like Stuff. You can go to LPL channel and search for locks that he can't pick. Also, you don't actually go in blind when picking a lock. Every decent lock smith has to know how about the internal of basically all commercial lock. LPL usually say security through obscurity is no security at all. Yes, you don't get days to look at the internals of the lock, that's why good lock smiths spend a lot of time studying as many different lock as they can so that when the time come, they just go for it. Same way English students spend time studying as much vocabulary as they can instead of going in blind.
I mean LPL does have a decent bucket lists of locks he cant pick. He isnt showing most oft them because as LPL said. A video about locks he can't pick wouldnt be very entertaining.
Well, he didn't give him a win at all. He sent him the best he could and then LPL told him what made them pickable. If he then sent him fixes while he was doing the video that isn't "giving him a win". That's like me saying I could ace any quiz ever, I'd just have to be given all the answers first.
@@agilagilsen8714 if you watched the video, he said he already realised some of the issues before sending it over. But it would have turned into a rolling ball of fixes because there's always another little thing that can be improved. The extra fixes he was told by lpl was another thing altogether. With that one he said it felt disingenuous to do back and fix stuff based of what he was told because it would muddy the rules of engagement, and that wouldn't necessarily be his lock anymore.
There is a LPL video where he can't pick the lock. It's the Bowley Lock. He has gotten significantly better since 2018, but still it's an example of a video where he can't pick the lock. th-cam.com/video/qV8QKZNFxLw/w-d-xo.html
Next LPL episode: "Now, Shane seems to have missed an old exploit where you hit the door with a sledge hammer right.... Here. And there we go. Better luck next time to Shane from stuff made here"
That's a different kind of security issue :P Even the best unpickable lock is useless if you take the other rear door that was left open, the key was under the mat, or you put the lock on the wrong house...
the reason LPL was focused on the damage is the idea that someone whose lock is picked leaving no trace may take longer to learn that their security has been defeated. Consider the hypothetical of a thief trying to enter a safe, the thief is more likely to get away if the owner of the safe does not learn that they have been robbed until hours or even days later, whereas if the very next time the safe owner looks at the safe they see the lock has been smashed, they will immediately be on alert.
@@jumpnit3121 Someone so concerned with their security that they are willing to create their own lock is more than likely a candidate for burglar bars on their windows. Yes, Windows are easy to break but they are also just as easy to protect against entry or at least mitigate it. A door exists for the purpose of walking through and would be an easier entry point in pretty much all circumstances once the breach has occured.
In a way, the concerns around how much damage there is sort of has to be part of lock picking as a "game" or activity. If you don't care about damage, you can just drill or hack or grind most locks.
"I still don't have any intention on selling this. 10 years in the future, I arrive home from work, pull out my keys, insert them into my STUFF brand unpickable lock, and think back upon these heady days.
It would be amaze balls and to just watch it happen would feel like an accomplishment. Maybe someone could catch Devient Ollum’s attention and input? I suspect as often as lpl routinely beats professionally designed and commercially available locks, many self described as unpickable, finding one that’s a real challenge or unbeatable is quite a thrill. Please don’t wait 2 years to utilize his improvements and anything else you come up with to make unpickable locks. Moving such a lock in to the market would be both a great adventure/fun to watch and a source of ongoing income to fund your “stuff made here.”
@@evelbill1439 Lol perhaps. And to be honest I don't think LPL would be upset at a lock he couldn't pick. I don't know the guy, but what I can guess from his personality is he'd praise a lock he couldn't beat. Imagine if someone managed to develop an unpickable, yet affordable lock. One can hope
I thoroughly enjoyed your process, and equally enjoyed the LPL's breakdown. Just the fact that your locks prompted a video longer than 2 minutes on his channel signifies an extraordinarily valiant build on your part! And now that you have recieved the most valuable lessons on your designs, I will be waiting anxiously for Version 3 vs LPL! Bravo sir!
12:00 I know this vid is a year and a half old, but my experience with building doors compels me to chime in. Most doors I work with have a bevel. That is where the edge of the door that sits against the jambs has a slight angle to it. This allows the gap to be much smaller while still allowing the door to swing freely. This is the case for most of the interior and exterior doors I've worked on.
When you were talking about the gap between the door and the frame, on a real door, the side that is opposite the hinges has a slight chamfer to allow the door to clear the frame and still have a small gap.
17:10 Yeah, that's actually really big in high-security operations where if sensitive information does get compromised, KNOWING that it's compromised can really mitigate the damage. The DoD Lock program actually has a 20-hour minimum standard for vault doors against "surreptitious entry," whereas covert entry (tool marks) is just 30 minutes.
The comment I was looking for. Yes, there are tons of ways to break into a place, but breaking in without being detected is a whole other level of security concern.
lol that reminds me of that LPL video where he showed those standard button combination locks mandated by the DoD back in the 70s/80s for all military, DoD, & civilian contractors (& filtered down to a lot of other gov stuff & even schools); the original ones could be opened by just putting a magnet on the side, leaving no evidence of them being opened. Amazing. Millions of them were put out before they realized it, & then had to design & issue out a parts kit to fix it. :D
@@jeremyclark7866 Sorry very randomly came across this comment and I know its 6m old but thought I would answer - as far as I know (and please anyone more knowledgeable correct me) covert means non destructive entry where the door/lock/safe whatever appears intact but an investigator can detect (if you pick a lock next person who uses the door might not know the lock was picked, but an investigator can see the marks left by the pick inside the lock and determine it was picked), surreptitious entry means there is no evidence of tamper/unauthorized opening. Overt entry means anyone will be able to tell someone entered (lock cut, door broken etc...)
@Pat Rioticone well actually. Demolition ranch has a video on this and I think it would suprise you how well some locks can hold up to guns such as a 12 gauge
@@jasonmcmillan7733 well actually? ......Really Kevin? ....... seen the videos, as millions have. Demolition ranch did not breach break the door. Do your homework on real gun use. Not flat range fantasy.
@@Praceus-27 also the best way for you to train. For some it gets boring. Need more interaction , shoot and move, weather conditions, and actual scenarios, instead of next to a table in the shade at 25 or 50 yards.
It's funny how the slightest oversight such as accidentally building the doors inside out could render the main product completely useless. Really makes you appreciate the ingenuity and experience involve in the design of everyday objects.
I'd be happy with the outcome of the lock. It's not everyday that LPL gives compliments to a lock. The fact that the video he made about it was over 10 minutes long (his videos average 2-3 minutes) is just a testament to how good the lock actually was. Congrats, Shane. The lock might not truly be "unpickable" in the classical sense but the fact that he had to alter his attack method as well, made it even more impressive. LPL is truly a master at defeating locks.
Exactly my thought.. The fact that he even said it is wrong on so many levels. He could have fixed anything he wanted and LPL would still be able to pick it.
I mean, by his logic I could get straight A's if I become an engineering student. All I would need is someone who knows everything that will tell me everything I do wrong and give me the chance to fix it.
He’s triggered, and I can’t stand how he keeps saying he is hurt lol, why does the new generation get so butt hurt when proved wrong, don’t get hurt and offended, learn from it
I read that as "I wanted him to have the win he earned by finding that flaw", just abbreviated because it's obvious to most people. Similar to how chess doesn't allow taking back a move when you're in check, unless you're five years old and playing against your grandpa.
I'm imagining movie like comment reviews on the lock. >A huge step forward for locks- Brothers and lock >An entirely new lock design - Locks reviewed. >If you are only buying one lock this year it should be this. - Key and company > Quite good. LPL
Something I'm not even a hundred percent sure that Shane fully understands is just how modest/humble lock picking lawyer actually is, the stuff that he's said about the locks that Shane sent his way tells me that he thinks with those flaws fixed that there would be no non-destructive attack that would reliably work without extreme amounts of effort on the attackers part
While selling the lock yourself might be inconvenient, selling the design/patent to a company that can mass manufacture it seems like a good idea to me.
Unfortunately, designs already in the public domain can't be patented. His intent wasn't to patent, but important to note, don't share your designs if you intend to apply for a patent.
@@josephquist9662 that is true generally, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did patent it. He's got a bunch of patents on other inventions, and a bunch of patents pending, so it's not like he's new to the process.
Sooo, I just rewatched this because I find the project to be quite interesting. If I'm not mistaken you said that you promised him another lock within 2 years. Will we get to see it soon :D?
17:00 Yeah, the purpose of lockpicking is to get in *without anyone knowing you got in* . There are two ways to bypass a lock: defeat it, and circumvent it. Defeating it means picking it, of course. Circumventing it means either finding another way in, or, worst case, applying enough force to make the entire *door* go away. In other words, you can bypass any lock with a large enough amount of explosives, but people are gonna know you were there.
And the lock picking lawyer saying he had a great time is more compliment than most people give credit for, lock picking lawyer has fun in trying new challenges that he's never dealt with before, so when he says he had a great time he means that he enjoyed the challenge that these locks presented him whereas a thief on the other hand if they were trying to be stealthy would very much not enjoy dealing with this, because under all realistic circumstances you are going to have to break out destructive methods to get into these locks unless you are an incredibly skilled individual
I think both are unpickable. "Theoretically" is IF its suitably worn ( or not worn) or some other condition ,and maybe he can fashion the tool and if the actual implementation is close enough to the picture , etc etc i think if he didnt pick it,he cant pick it ..
I'm really interested in a video or two about making the lock production-ready, or at least a bit closer to it. That's a vital part of engineering you very rarely see videos about.
Theres a guy making balisong scissors thats in that process right now. He posts like once a month but hes sorta in integration hell where its just iteration after iteration trying to get everything to be exactly how he wants it before its ready for mass production. Interesting stuff and you can really see how much thought goes into all the parts and how easy it is to miss a step
Shane said that the parts required are very original and requires lots of engineering or smth like that. Hence he probably won't be able to get it into mass production. If you would check out his video when making this lock. That being said. I would like an unpick able lock on the market too :D
@@2e3crescens I would too, if for no other reason than to pressure other lock makers to do a better job. But in terms of being able to buy and _use_ an unpickable lock myself, I think I’ll worry more about that after I have unbreakable windows and doors. :)
Honestly I would love to see a continuation of this collaboration. That way LPL would finally have a lock he could say is unpickable. And you could go in together to sell it as merch or go into full time business with it.
“I didn’t know how the second lock so (giving him a win) felt like a safe thing I could do.” Lol I got a kick out of that. It’s easy to think when you’ve designed something for an express purpose that you’ve covered all the bases but be completely overlooking something you didn’t know you didn’t know. I’ve definitely been there.
“Misleading Title…”. Yeah, sadly this is typical TH-cam theses days. Gotta mislead, lie, fake it, etc….i read a TH-camr’s “defense” to this , he said he ‘needed to do it’ in order to ‘keep on increasing his views…’ Clickbait & Lies just lead me to 👎🏼.
Well honestly you can watch the video and tell that he looks kinda sad So maybe he personally felt like he got "beatdown"? LPL is rly cool and so is shane idk
@@ernestgalvan9037 i didn’t feel misled. I don’t think anyone really clicked this video and was disappointed that they didn’t see the “beatdown” they imagined for the reason that LPL was humble in victory. And honestly, beatdown is probably the least important word in the title as far as generating views goes.
This having a lock maker have a lock picker test the lock reminds me of when my brother told me about his time as an engineer at the San Diego nuclear power plant. To test their security, they teamed up with the Navy SEALS, to have the SEALs do an unannounced infiltration. Well, partially announced. The security knew the SEALS would attempt to reach the control room sometime within the span of a month to simulate an enemy team trying to cause a meltdown. Needless to say, the SEALs succeeded in their mission, and reached the core. As per the agreement, they showed exactly how they did it, and offered solutions to plug up the security holes. The power plant became more secure, and the SEALs got some good infiltration training. Win-win. That's what these two videos remind me of. :)
The damage done is incredibly important. Say, for example you do make an unpickable lock, for it to guarantee security it also needs to be unbreakable and so does the door and the walls, roof and floor of the room. I think that's why no big company is trying for higher security locks, because they're already at the point where most people would just break their way in.
I watched this video yesterday called world's strongest man vs world's strongest door. The company makes steel residential doors and they lock similar to vault doors. Very impressive.
It's the whole category of the sport ("non-destructive"). So full disclosure of any damage, regardless of practical implication, is paramount. Drilling a small hole from the underside would probably also go unnoticed for a long time in the real world, but would not be part of this ball game.
@@TormodSteinsholt my comment was more in relation to his discussion about making it more secure and going into production. I don't think there is really a place for such a high security lock in the real world because no key operated lock alone would ever be secure and with any supplementary security methods employed to secure a door, a more secure lock would also not really be necessary.
I would sooooo watch a follow-up where the two of you collab for a impervious lock design! After all, iteration and testing is the name of the game in hard engineering challenges!
bruh i really hope you do a v3 lock for LPL. This was truly one of the most exciting collabs for me. I seen your video where you made the locks before LPL had actually attempted them and i was so excited for it. LPL is truly is wizard when it comes to opening locks, and you truly are an innovator of our generation. i am very excited and hopeful there will be another collab, and believe me, im rooting for the defeat of LPL lol. Such a fun project and im really glad this ended up happening. so very cool! ill bet your v3 lock wins, now that you know the tactics he used to get through, ill bet you can make one in which he will have to use different techniques in order to get them open. again i just want to express how totally cool this was, you and LPL make outstanding content, and i really didnt think he was going to be able to beat the locks. i was worried he wouldnt even post a video because he would have bene defeated and shamed, but LPL never disappoints. its actually unbelievable how well he can pick locks. LPL is like a member of oceans 11.
@@blackroberts6290 it did at first to me too, but I think it’s just him being honest. I doesn’t surprise me that he would want to give LPL more views. I think it just comes from him misunderstanding LPL’s audience though, we would love to see him stumped on a lock.
I was surprised by that comment, LPL doesnt need any freebies and its a bit insulting to LPLs skill. I put it down as not understanding the competition and his audience. Engineers aren't known for their people skills.
@@TheWabbit Well theoretically, at the end of this we will have an “unpickable” lock. So my interpretation of “i wanted him to have a win” was that it would be unfair and perhaps disingenuous to condense the whole collaborative process into a total of merely 3 videos (if i recall correctly), with the final of which being where LPL admits defeat. Anyways, my perception of the whole project is that they’re collaborating to make an unpickable lock, but with a bit of friendly and respectful competition. Not fixing every issue as LPL finds them is part of that respect. He’s willing to admit defeat, but will go on to try again.
@@TheWabbit yeah I feel it’s just him lacking in the people skills department. I definitely don’t think he intended to come across the way he did though, they’re both very committed to their craft and clearly loved this competition with a respect for one another.
He does have a point. Even now he could create something that LPL will have a hard time on. Specially now that he knows the last weakness of his work. That is engineering.
![[1299] Unpickable Locks From Stuff Made Here](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ecy1FBdCRbQ/mqdefault.jpg)
There seems to be some confusion about what I meant by wanting LPL to have a win so let me give a bit more context. In a collaboration it's best if both parties come out with some kind of win. If only one party benefits that's pretty lame for the other person & their audience. Since I had two locks I felt I could send the first with the known defects which would likely lead to it's defeat (and thus guarantee a win with the interesting explanation for LPL) and then second lock I hoped he wouldn't be able to pick.
Imagine being home alone and hearing "Ok, 1 is done and 2 is binding..."
That’s a great insight. Love the content; this is one of the internet’s greatest collabs.
dude, after all your time, energy and resources that you put into the lock...LPL defeat it with common lockpicking tools... but then he did that to so many others lock engineers, so in this case it's unfortunate that you just become part of LPL's list of humiliated lock engineers
Best collaboration video I have seen. Great to see the LPL working your designs and the end result is that your locks are now virtually unpickable; kudos for those amazing and original lock designs. This is how amazing products are made and in no way a defeat.
U underestimate LPL he can find new ways to open it even if you fixed that problem he litterally created a tool to open new types of locks
Great reaction video. I never noted in my video how impressed I was by the originality of the designs. I have people show me “new” lock designs quite often, and they are usually just variations of decades old patents. In fact, it’s pretty common for me to find my own “original” ideas covered by patents filed before I was born. Getting to play with two completely new designs at once was fun.
Once again, nice job on these!
Hi LPL :D what if you design yourself an unpickable lock?
Great reaction on your behalve ! But the locks stil have flaws.
@@pjesapjes good idea
@@_24___ thank you. i got my gmail open and it said: 24 has replied to your comment.. and i was like: wow 24 ppl in under a 1 min x) LOL. hope he gets help from #Stuffmadehere using the cnc
can't wait to see version 2 of these locks go against you
"If I just made locks that he couldnt pick, thats not interesting"
I dont think you know his audience at all. If you made a lock that LPL couldnt pick the entire internet would explode
I mean, the only "lock" that LPL wouldn't be able to pick would be electronic ones which are well outside of the purview of a locksmith and in the territory of a cybersecurity expert. If it doesn't have a keyhole, it's not exactly a lock anymore, now is it?
@@zettour. almost all electronic locks can be opened manually since they have a backup system for when electrical power is not available. So LPL's channel does feature electronic locks.
@@doctorakiba I didn't say electronic locks are unpickable. I said any unpickable locks would be electronic. Pretty important difference.
For example, if you had a titanium electronic lock that takes a passcode welded onto a titanium blast door, I don't think LPL has any chance of opening that with anything in his garage even if you gave him a week. On the otherhand, a dinky little plastic electronic keypad lock could probably be bypassed pretty easily by normal people, much less a genius locksmith.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever managed to pick the Bowley 2.0 lock did he?
LPL does showcase an unpickable lock on his channel...but it's a sticker.
Also, he frequently opens electronic locks with magnets, paperclips, hammers, etc.
Your locks each survived longer than 30 seconds in LPL's hands. That is an incredible achievement
he can use it on an ad "The lock that completed the LPL 10-minute challenge"
On cam, who knows how long he's been tinkering with that off cam
@@romusa10 Well yeah, but he has extensive experience with any lock type that he picks in his videos
That's mainly coz he explained a lot. All in all it took him 8 secs
They lasted weeks.
"I _will_ give him a new lock- I promise- within two years; so I have plenty of time."
Well, it's 2023. Where's the lock?
@hibblebinshere in 2024
I guess he gave up on a production model.
Shh, he was doing puzzles.
Still waiting
i was wondering as well
"the issues I found could be fixed with very little effort, which would result in formidable lock designs"
That's one hell of a compliment from LPL
@T 2017 apples to oranges
@T 2017 This comment would have been as good as Moby Dick with a few changes.
@@heysimone Yeah, he should have put a whale in there.
@@pallapazza71 nah, too unoriginal. It would never pass
@T 2017 compared to most locks, these locks are better by a long shot.
If LPL gives a "quite good" to a lock, this means these could probably be nuclear launch keylocks
That, or he was just being nice.
If memory serves, he wasn't impressed with actual nuclear locks lol
@@danielduncan6806 As LPL commented here in the comments himself I think a big part of his impression was regarding how actually original these designs are. They might not be fine tuned to cover some of the less direct attacks but actually new ideas in lock design seem extremely rare which is what made this so interesting it seems. Not being a slight modification of an existing design that does little to nothing to actually truly improve the lock from a picking perspective is frequently marketed as "new" when the end result really doesn't mean much. For someone with no real experience in lock design or lock picking this sort of innovation toward making something better than current locks was impressive. LPL looks at a LOT of locks that are all largely the same so seeing something truly new, even if it could use some fine tuning, is impressive.
@@danielduncan6806 the whole point of the guys comment was that LPL doesn’t just be nice lmao. If he says it’s good. It’s good.
Nuclear launch keys? Probably the Bowley locks then. He has yet to pick them.
For what it's worth, I'd definitely be interested in this being a semi-ongoing series, and seeing you fix the exploits he mentioned and send him a new version, so he can find new exploits.
I would love if it went in two simultaneous directions: one, where Shane iterates on these designs to try to make truly unpickable locks, regardless of their viability as commercially producible locks. The second, which Shane seems to be leaning towards, is trying to figure out how these locks could be redesigned in a way that makes them viable for mass production. I would enjoy both.
He said that LPL admitted that if those three exploits got fixed, which can be done quite easily, LPL wouldn't be able to pick the locks. It wouldn't be an ongoing series. That's why SMH is thinking about how to raise the stakes to make it a more appealing video. Personally, I'd like to see SMH vs the world, to not just give it to LPL but to challenge anyone to pick it, and give a bounty to anyone who can succeed.
We need unpickable locks ASAP. 'Stuff Made Here' can do this.
Definitely! Maybe something in the style of the marble machine? Where its just a small fix but we get to see the process. Instead of all this finished content.
I’d also love to see what other people can whip up for LPL to pick
I would have loved a back and forth competition where you send him the incremented fixed lock, he cracks it and you watch the video to figure out a workaround. Could be a whole series!
Red team vs Blue team. A war of attrition between hardening methods and penetration testing.
Would have been great; I'm surprised they didn't to be honest.
I just think LPL is too powerful and will be able to pick literally any lock you set in front of him
I think that would suit LPL’s channel well, given that picking locks and finding vulnerabilities in 3 minutes or less is his bread and butter. Wouldn’t work so well on Shane’s channel with 10+ minute videos showing the whole production process.
@@stefani.5737 The Lock War. With chinisium as australium.
I've been watching LPL for a while and have never heard him use the phrase "Formidable lock". Well done Shane. Well done.
If LPL has kind words for a lock, the price on that lock doubles. 🙂
Lpl: “it isn’t terrible”
Viewers: “this lock... it’s the chosen one”
Is there any lock he has failed to pick? Or even given him some trouble? I don’t watch every video of his but I’ve probably seen 50 and every single time he goes through all of them in seconds.
@@stdesy Yes there are locks he can't pick, check out lpl's video's on bowley locks.
@@stdesy out of 1300 whatever videos he has picking em, he has a bucket of like 10 that so far he hasnt, I think there's a video up on it
I wouldn't call it a beatdown at all. LPL actually gave props to the lock, and suggestions to improve. Lockpicking is ALL about non-destructive entry.
He has a couple funny vids with rifles, nailgun, and other destructive entry. But you’re right that they are not his main mo
Except in the case of slash resistant bags.
@@brando_handle The funniest was the one where he showed how easy it was to get into his ex's back door.
Except that LPL will do anything to defeat the lock, including use fire, drills, chemicals, saws, etc... lol. He's not ever really said non-destructive.
@@robertdascoli949 at that point he’s not just destroying the bags
He’s destroying entire companies as well
I mean, a 10-minute LPL video is a ringing endorsement for any lock! Well done!
Very much so, under 2 minutes you know it's child's play to open, about 5 minutes it takes some skill, over 7 minutes it excellent.
fr tho. I was thinking 'what godly lock is this' when I saw it was 10 mins. long.
@@PhiloSage hell i've seen 3 minute videos where the lock is clearly amazing.
Not only that, but you can tell he genuinely enjoyed the challenge AND gave the lock some of the highest praise he's given any lock.
but the it takes less than 1 minute to open it
Truth be told, the fact that the LPL kept complimenting your work and design, while still showing it's vulnerabilities is a testament to the quality of the locks you made. Keep up the good work!
it's also a testament to the humbleness of LPL who made it clear by such compliments that he really enjoys what he does.
if you put " quite good - LPL " on the packaging, everything will be sold out as soon as it is on market..
And the theft will be watching you tube
Some of the best locks on the market get “good enough for the streets” a quite is incredible especially for someone who doesn’t professionally make locks
@@leukl3730 LPL did not picked up the lock. He just went around by destroying the wood of the door. The simple idea of covering the lock from the back, use metal door surface or put the lock slightly deeper in the door surface prevents everybody, including LPL to pick the lock. So video of LPL doesn't help anybody to pick the lock.
@@mareksykora779 That's the thing though, this is just the first attempt with the first attack with the first solutions. I'd like to see the next attack and the way LPL will circumvent the countermeasures put in place to pick it. It's not as simple as saying that a back plate will completely prevent all future attacks. Someone could still drill through the front face of the lock body and trip that lever like StuffMadeHere said.
@@vanhin30 The solution for drilling is to put the lock completelly under surface of the door covered by front iron plate. Nothing to change in the lock itself.
LPL didn't beat you down, he endorsed you.
Yupp. That's what a lot of people seem to forget: LPL is easily among the 100 best lockpickers in the world, if not the top 10. If it takes him multiple attempts to get the pick open with his most reliable attack, and even then taking several minutes to make a single attempt, it is an absolutely phenomenal lock. There is almost nobody else alive who could get through this lock non destructively.
@@tinetannies4637 He's genuinely one of the best people in locksport, and not just because he's a big name. If you look at his competition history, he pretty consistently wins local locksport competitions. I don't know how he'd stack up in terms of worldwide lock pickers, because there's currently no recognized international leaderboard, but even if you ask dedicated pickers - and people have - they respect him not only for his youtube abilities and garnering interest in the hobby, but also for his skill at picking.
Exactly
I wish the first time I went against a heavyweight like the LPL, having only worked with your engineering background and none of centuries of innovation around locks, made him think about exploits and give you the constructive criticism of saying "with a couple of tweeks these would be formidable locks".
It's like going up against a heavyweight fighter and you're going to show them how tap dancing can be effective then you're able to last a couple rounds and during the post fight the heavyweight says "with a little bit of work that tap dancer would have been a formidable fighter"
he did, it's less than 1 minute, just like how LPL humiliates any other lock engineers
I feel for you: I've had my own products picked apart in a public forum (software, in my case) where the presenter had contacted me before doing it and it was hard to sit through, so I can well imagine how painful this was, but fundamentally what you achieved was about as much positivity as anyone has ever got from the LPL. Minor and easily fixed flaws. Great locks.
17:00 A clarification about why damage is considered in lockpicking - there are 2 basic classifications for entry methods, overt entry (obvious signs of a break in) and covert entry (preventing the victim from realising someone broke in).
Lockpicking falls into covert entry, mainly because it's a method to make it seem like there was no attempt/damage to the door/entry, as if someone wanted to gain entry without worrying about preventing the victims from noticing the damage, they'll just go straight to faster and more effective methods such as breaking a window, drilling out the lock, etc.
Therefore, if someone were to resort to the complexities and trouble of picking a lock, they'll probably want to not leave a mark, and thus preventing obvious damage to a door would be a fairly important point.
Great point. A sledge hammer to the lock body could break the 2 screws that secure most residential style locks rendering any lock design irrelevant.
@@FormulaZR and for wooden doors like that one a big enough axe, could just cleave the door
@@GummieI or just brick through window… the easiest and quickest way in if you don’t care about someone finding out
So it's mostly a difference of purpose. Remember this guy has a partially-suppressed gunpowder nailgun for getting locks to break that'd you'd really think shouldn't be breakable.
There is also the consideration that locksmiths use lockpicking for a customer who has locked themselves out. If I hired someone to get me into my house and they scratched up my door I would be irritated. Of course a lot of locksmiths will just drill out the lock and charge you for a new one.
In my watching history, I don’t think any lock outside of an impossible (so far without practicing with tools that haven’t been invented yet) one or two from the same maker has ever received praise to the level of your designs. “Formidable” is _not_ a word he throws around, and that’s with minor adjustments. We’re much more used to hearing “not really a challenge,” or “fatal design flaw.”
Still can be defeated with a 10 lb sledgehammer.
@@dustinb1070 you can also defeat a door with an explosive, what is your point?
@@SaltyMikan but most common criminals don't carry around explosives...
@@truereaper4572 most common criminals don't carry a sledgehammer either. It's not a very covert option, right?
@@dustinb1070 The main rule is: Non destructible method.
Engineer: I'm gonna improve this
Engineer: completely redesigns the entire thing
Engineer: Well it kinda just happened
Every engineer ever
I'm an engineer and I approve this message.
Hey now, let's not make this personal
We didn't redesign it cause it was easy and quick; we did it because we thought it would be easy and quick
I felt that.
That's why Designers make for better innovators imo. Engineers are intellectual, Designers are Creative. Both are equally important
As a carpenter who has alot of experience installing doors, most doors don't have a square edge on the latch side. They have a obtuse angle on the doorstop side (in this case "interior") and an acute angle on the opposite side (exterior). Easy fix, or you nailed it... make the door open in sorts out access to the deadbolt and the hinges. Great job on the locks, wow. It was very entertaining watching all three of these videos. Hats off to you and the lockpickinglawyer! I hope to see some more. Thanks mister
@@TotallyNotBrandonMost installers do it so often they become complacent, especially when building affordable housing since they might do dozens a day
Dude, you got more positive feedback from LPL than I've seen him give to just about any other lock.
Every other lock has to be concerned with production costs.
If you're making a lock with the goal of selling it you want it to be cheap and easy to put together, both of which are detrimental to security.
There's been previous locks with a similar idea where the pins can't be tensioned(usually by making deep pitted trap pins so it's impossible to tension the lock without locking the pins in place), the problem is said locks either wind up costing more or being more prone to breakages(large gaps to trap pins means an increased risk of something getting stuck or broken).
@@scragar If he can make a lock that takes 30min to pick, people will buy that lock for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Some people may just buy it because they're rich and interested in the engineering
You did better then most pro lock makers! I want to see you make 2 new ones a fix of this best one and a redesign!
@@veganpotterthevegan A few lock enthusiasts might. Maybe some rich guys. 99.9% of the market won't. You have to understand that locks are basically never the weakest link in security. Beyond a few anti-pick features you quickly move into a region where you're only vulnerable to a tiny fraction of the potential attackers - all of whom clearly are willing to devote a hell of a lot of resources to getting at whatever you've locked up. At that point they're just going to go around your very expensive unpickable lock.
@@scragar LPL did make videos on locks costing hundreds of dollars. I believe the tooling required to make locks that shane made here would have heavy upfront cost, but they should recover those money with sales (esp if they can charge hundreds)
It's INSANE you even dare to engineer a lock with no prior knowledge. Hats off to you.
even more insane that he did a really good job
He didn't have "no prior knowledge" - he knew how a lock worked and the basics of hoe a lock is picked.
What he didn't do is research methods used to prevent picking
@@jocramkrispy305 well yea, he had to research that to makes the locks. Bit prior to him designing these and starting the project he had no prior knowledge
I mean, dude's clearly cut from a different kind of cloth right?
Engineers aren't all as impressive as this guy right? I've been watching his videos, and how he finds the time and the will to do all he does for the videos AND apparently learned how to make sleak, accessible and enjoyable youtube videos (no easy feat in itself I imagine) - he's on another level. Not to mention his day job which I assume he's still doing to some degree? I think he's mentioned he manufactures and sells parts or something? Sounds like it's probably his own business.
Maybe I'm just a scrub and I see all intelligent hard worker people as genius, I dunno. But from my perspective, this guy is uniquely driven and talented.
It's sometimes a really good approach on how to engineer something. Gaston Glock was a plastics engineer with no prior experience in gunsmithing or in firearms engineering of any sort before he created the Glock 17. His design is now one of the most respected firearms on the planet, seeing as almost every major firearms manufacturer has copied his design.
"looks like we have 15 people in here"
Half a million views later
He said it was a live stream for his Patreon
Passed 1 million :D
@@skyeroy29 What you expressed was absolutely true. The humor of Zack was also apparant. In an episode of The Good Neighbors (PBS from the UK), the same type of humor was presented with the punch line of "Lima beans", funny because it was unexpected. Half a million views later is also an unexpected jump from fifteen. That's more than twice 15.
@@cliffontheroad what is this, a stream for ants? The stream needs at least three times as many people!
Honestly it seems like your inexperience with locks beyond the basics of how they work is something that helped you tremendously in creating such a strong design. With the second one(adding the backplate as well) the unorthodox design would have left almost anyone who hasn't seen the internals at a complete dead end
Also, it was the first 10+ minute video on LPL’s channel in well over a year
And he didn't prove that it wasn't a fluke, so for all we know he could just have been lucky.
"I wanted him to have a win"
- Masterlock
- Yale
- All other locks that he picked.
He had a win. It lasted longer than 30 seconds
That comment made me lol.
Haha, I think he's meaning that you can't really say much on a video of a lock that you can't open. It would be a 10 second video of him saying "This is the lock picking lawyer...and I can confirm these locks are unpickable (at least by me). That's all I have for you today...". It doesn't make for good entertainment value (and kudos to Shane for being humble enough to be ok with that!)
I was disappointed by that remark.
@@mrsmiley631 me too. Honestly sounded way to cocky.
You can tell the LPL is getting excited with the anticipation of picking a lock style nobody else has ever picked before...
The locksmith that attempted to pick lock v1: am I a joke to you?
@@shawnyu194 keyword: attempt
The difference is, LPL knew how the lock was constructed and how it looks from the inside and had time to think about how to pick it. The locksmith didn't know anything about it at all and has never seen anything like it before and would need to come up with a solution on the spot
@@LucaBl My thoughts exactly, it's like giving the locksmith the combination to the lock.
To boldly pick what noone ever picked before
To have the balls to send your original design for "field testing" to LPL, no less, is something I respect enormously. Not many people or businesses are willing to do that.
People forget (or don't know) that good product design is an iterative process, especially when you're trying something innovative:
You create an operational iteration, do stress tests on it, then improve it using the feedback gathered. Rinse and repeat.
Keep keeping up, mate! This has huge engineering (and content creation) potential.
"I also wasn't working on it for 6 months, it was like the last 3 or 4 weeks"
All of us who waited 6 months for the video: Oh.......
He did release other videos since then
Its probably a lot of work to balance scripting, filming, sponsorships, editing, all the coding, 3d work, etc
@@LiveforHM Yes.
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Oh yeah, I watched the lock creation video months and months ago, and then waited eagerly, day after day, for the LPL video on em. I lost hope till he posted it at long last :D
LPL: "As far as I know, these designs are original."
"But what do you know about locks?"
LPL: "Everything."
Wouldn't "Yes" be the better answer here? :P
I wish people could accept the duality of everyone winning from this collab.
Who isn't accepting of it? Are you just creating a scenario in your head? I wouldn't be surprised because that is very common now a days...
@@mikeznel6048 I don't think you understand at all. He said he wished people could accept that both sides won from this collab. Many many many people are trying to take sides and say dumb things like "LPL cheated by knowing how the lock worked before starting" or "SMH had no chance whatsoever" even though it's been extremely clear that LPL is very fond of these locks and wants to give the feedback to SMH for these simple exploits; and that SMH wanted to give his best work to LPL to test to see what could be improved
@@xPanda25 Where are these "many many many people"? I'm subbed to both and I haven't seen a single example of this.
@@xPanda25 Sounds like a half dozen children are upset over this competition, and you're making it sound like *everyone* is fighting.
@@Voyajer. Just look through the comments section lol. I've seen tons of comments like that. Even on SMH's community posts there are people saying "haha you lost" and stuff like that
If you have seen the LPL's "keynote" Where the lawyer addresses how horrible the lock industry has become and asks them to start designing outside of the Box This young man has been able to do what the lock industry has not which is come up with a reliable design that is that is satisfactory for the customers needs. Great job. Can't wait to watch you improve.
The goal isn't to keep the Lock Picking Lawyer out, it's to keep him busy
A busy LPL is a happy LPL making an interesting video. Win for all. 👍
In that case, bubble wrap and boxing tape would be the cheapest solution. One of these days he's going to get a bottle of whiskey in a "puzzle lock" that's just layers and layers of packaging material...
The only way is not having a lock at all, like have it welded shut or something. A lock will not stop a Disciple of Nocturnal for long.
That souns like something a villan would say in a movie. We dont want to keep the hero out we just want to keep him busy.
Your locks did better than locks from a 100 year old _lock_ company.
That's because those are made cheap and have to be easy to mass produce.
@@ernie3312 other companies actually mass produce good locks though...
I'm sure LPL has a 100 year old lock that's pretty damn good. I'm just too lazy to look for it.
You not familiar with Master Lock's Speedlock or One?
@@Reddington69 yeah then go buy one of theirs in stead of complaining a master craft lock isn't as good as a top quality lock
I think the "designed a lock without looking at other locks" aspect of this is really important. We need more people coming up with designs in this fashion. It's far and away the best way to get something truly new.
Like how joerg from the slingshot channel created the "instant legolas" that basically adds a magazine to a regular bow allowing for rapid fire that is a completly new design never before seen in history but technicaly completly doable even with medieval technology, something that could theoreticaly exist historicaly but just no one even came with the idea before him, and now thanks to the internet and TH-cam the design gets shared with the world and improved at a neck breaking speed
That's not how engineering works. With no prior knowledge you're probably screwed with your design which is filled with flaws.
I think that it is something that can either create something revolutionary, or entirely redundant and immediately obsolete. I think knowing and understanding the current design flaws is very important to creating something new.
@@carso1500 the instant legolas was almost a da Vinci mechanism. Posible, interesting, but not really the most practical solution
@@vittocrazi its still a very simple mechanism that could have provided an advantage on a potential conflict that was never invented because well, no one through about creating it, not even for a toy or anything
Attacks will always be one step ahead of defense. Once the lock becomes to difficult to get through, the door itself becomes the primary weakness.
A never ending arms race where only one side has rules to play by
or the wall, or ceiling.
I dunno about you but for me it never crossed my mind that this was a competition. Not sure what you two talked about either but again I personally thought this was a cool collab between two people who wanted to make an unpickable lock! Keep up the great work!
Amen to that!
A "Friendly" competition. This isn't a "I wanna be better than you", but a "I wanna do better, beat me so I can improve" on both side. Friendly competition is extremely healthy for a lot of things. It pushes people further.
Clever people can be just happy to be challenged and learn something. (I don’t put myself in that category)
I am thoroughly impressed by the collaboration with this project. It's way more than a guest experience. It was a real back and forth that was very entertaining to watch. I love collaboration of this calibur and hope to see more!
I want to see this continued! LPL has proven that innovation in lock technology is stagnant, and you've created something unique and effective. You two working in tandem to make a truly innovative lock that's resistant to attack would be a real treat
@Helsten Gherib Yes, indeed. And from that day forward thieves would just use battering rams and chainsaws.
@@TheRealDrJoey That's not a bad thing though, so much more evidence left lying around to find them XD
In the video you said, that you would send him a new Lock in the next 2 years, since the video is 2 years old now, I think it is time for a another lock.
1. Updated one, that fixes all the issues mentioned.
2. And then the new designed one that you mentioned at the end.
Would be great if you would design one, that would be easy to manufacture and cheap to make, as you mentioned and then maybe license your lock idea to an actual manufacture, for example ABUS in Germany (where I am from).
The damage issue may also be for legitimate locksmiths that don't want to damage a customer's door.
Respectfully, LPL has picked locks that have hundreds of years of innovation behind their pick-resistant nature. THere's just no way you could have got it on the first try
He never picked the second lock...
@@johnthomas338 sure he did, he manipulated the pins and opened the lock in a non-destructive way.
@@johnthomas338 if by picking you mean pushing the pins, the lock that doesnt even need the pins tampered with to open can be considered even a weaker lock.
@@red-dm1tl true however you can do that with both locks
@@cartersmith9842 yes if youre going for the literal definition. If you have any other short common word for attacking the locking mechanism then please let everyone know.
"I wanted him to have a win". But what he really needs is a loss
Translation: I can’t accept defeat
@@RollingxBigshot yup this whole video comes off as very "I need to prove I can outdo this expert in their own field, but I just missed a few things"
@@alexmills1329 I feel a lot of people misunderstood that comment being about the second lock instead of the first, which he said he didn't modify before sending it. He wanted him to have a win, not necessarily two.
@@alexmills1329 not too good at picking up dry humor, are you?
@@alexmills1329 I honestly think that's a general way a passionate engineer thinks, wanting to fix and min max everything to the best of their ability.
Imagine if LPL kept a few defeat method ideas to himself, not telling anyone, so he can use them for the next lock!
I’m sure he did.
Professionals have standarts after all.
That is not his MO though.
Another reason why picking locks without leaving damage is so important, especially if you can do it without damaging the actual lock, is because most of the time lockpickers are doing it honestly for people who just lost their keys. So the less damage you can do all around, the better!
Yup, that and if "damage" is allowed then drilling or cutting your way in is a valid and effective attack against all locks.
"Non destructive entry" is the gold standard for locksmiths...But in the real world, we all have to reach for the drill occasionally.
I think at this point the “rules of engagement” are no longer in effect, you’ve had your bout and it was a fair fight, but now it can just be collaborative design, having him as a tester for any tweaks you have, until you have a design you are satisfied with. It’s no longer unfair, since the challenge is already over and LPL seems genuinely interested in improving these designs.
Kinda hoping they start a business and manufacture these locks for commercial use...
@@Chris-P.-Bacon-III I don't think that's viable. Way too expensive and also too many moving parts, this increases wearout, eventually making the lock inoperable it also makes them much more susceptible to destructive attacks. As he said himself, these would never be viable in real life.
Yea also lpl failed to pick the 2nd lock already, just found workarounds that are easily fixed. So congrats to smh! Incredible he designed a lock in weeks and the best lock picker on the internet couldn’t even try it!
@@carsonhunt4642 wow, fanboy heavy
@@maddjester65
Not a fanboy just not sure why everyone rides lpl’s D so hard. He’s a good lock picker, good job. Designing something brand new from scratch that defeats an expert?! Takes a genius. I love lpl, been subbed for years. But this smh guy is just crazy
I know you know this -- but "no damage" is basically a rule so that there is differentiation between picking a lock and just taking a jack hammer to it. Basically, by continuing to bring it up, he's saying "look, I'm not cheating _in any way_, this is actual picking". Pretty sure that if someone wanted in, they could take a sledgehammer to the lock body and it would give and expose the internals enough to open the door. Picking is an art, not a brute-force method.
I appreciate the "no damage", because the small amount of paint scrape in lock 2, was "unlikely detectable" lol, but not technically "no" damage 😝
@@michaelsorensen7567 "No damage" as a rule is more of a range considering that usual picks leave recognizable scratches on the pins that are visible under a microscope. To counter this, picks with a PTFE-coating were developed.
So, in my opinion, the range of the meaning of "no damage" goes at least from "a normal user of the lock does not suspect it to be opened without the key, as it looks and works as ever" to "a forensic lab can't tell that the lock got opened without a legitimate key"
It probably has to do with the legal side of his work. Let's say you have a lock that can be picked without leaving any trace on it. Then something behind this lock gets stolen and the owner files an insurance claim on it. Should the insurance company just accept the owners word that it was stolen?
damage it without making a noise or alarming anyone is a valid way to pick, if your sledgehammer can do that then why not
@@lss-xw8qn Because at that point, someone breaking in will just smash a window instead.
It was briefly mentioned as a tangent, but having 1 key that locks something and another key that unlocks it is essentially the basis of a public-private key system (although to be fair, this is mostly done digitally rather than with real keys).
This has a number of uses, but the two basic ideas are that, firstly, you can make the locking key public. This then allows anyone to secure something that only you can access. Without 2 keys, this could be problematic; you have to trust someone with a key that can unlock your own lock, and there's a chance the key could be intercepted while giving it to the other person even if they are trustworthy, or stolen from them.
Secondly, you can make only the unlocking key public. This way, you can secure something with the private locking key (and then probably locking it with the recipient's lock and public locking key), and have it sent to the recipient which could take it via any number of untrustworthy middlemen, but when they recieve it they will have proof that it must have been you who sent it, because it can only be unlocked by your public key (and hence must have been locked by your private key).
The complements from LPL are better than I've heard him make about any other lock. You've done an excellent job.
I see that as a big appreciation and encouragement to go on.
As a design engineer is so nice to hear the thought and intent behind your design choices. I feel a lot of the small design choices never are known to the outside world even after you spend hours and days thinking over them.
"Two keys...a key that locks it, a key that unlocks it"
That's how asymmetric encryption works, in fact if you're on TH-cam right now, your web browser just used this 'two key' strategy to validate the site's identity. Also, the idea of building something to be secure, then having a third-party audit that security and tell you what vulnerabilities they find, and repeating that as a cycle is how software is *supposed* to be developed, as well as how businesses as a whole operate (on an audit lifecycle).
Well that works on quite some interesting maths...
@@Markus-zb5zd Public key cryptography is pretty difficult to wrap one's head around
@@AlexanderRay92 I know ^^ M.Sc in theoretical computer science here :D
Maths I call interesting is usually a bit complex.
This is why software should be free and open source!
@@tanmay______ Not all of it... Ppl put a lot of work into it.
Any PGP is free and open source.
I know us locksporters would like to buy them if they could be made for a reasonable(or possibly unreasonable) price. Great work by both of you! There are locks that have separate keys for lock and unlock by the way.
Why are you verified with 300 subs lmao
@@robertosquirto896 My subscribers know.
@@robertosquirto896 why not
Time for a third channel, "Locks Made Here"
Stuff Picking Lawyer... you know what, yours works better, they should go with that.
Stuff Made Secure
When he talked about the win, the locking picking lawyer has a win if he can pick the lock, but that dosent mean that 'smh' (stuff made here) lost, smh wins if he makes a cool project, but for the locking picking lawyer, he has to pick the lock, so it was a win win for both
"smh" lmao
@@joeygalateo5246 yeah kkkk
I thought he wins if he makes stuff while being “here”
To be fair his claim was it was unpickable, and it wasn't but I certainly wouldn't call it a loss as long as he's willing to learn from his mistakes and try again.
He didn't "win" in the sense he proved he could make something unpickable but as an engineer type he wins so long as he learns from the mistakes, and applies that knowledge to a new design.
Ever since locks have been made lock pickers have existed and with each advance they mutually had to improve to defeat the other. It never really ends.
I have no doubt that no matter what SMH does LPL will find a way in even if it requires destructive attacks or making a custom tool. But as far as your average person and even pros are concerned it proved difficult enough to be virtually unpickable in a real world scenario the longer you're there the more you risk getting caught. You don't get days to look at detailed images of the internals. You may have a plan but you're basically going in blind because you don't know what to expect...
@@SwiftCreationStudio Actually, there's a limit to how much LPL can pick. There are locks that simply block any entry to the core, which is unpickable, and of course they didn't make any silly mistake that can be exploit like Stuff. You can go to LPL channel and search for locks that he can't pick.
Also, you don't actually go in blind when picking a lock. Every decent lock smith has to know how about the internal of basically all commercial lock. LPL usually say security through obscurity is no security at all. Yes, you don't get days to look at the internals of the lock, that's why good lock smiths spend a lot of time studying as many different lock as they can so that when the time come, they just go for it. Same way English students spend time studying as much vocabulary as they can instead of going in blind.
I would argue a lock that LPL CAN’T pick is infinitely more interesting than one he can pick.
@@snerttt what about that one lock with the absolutely mental keyway
@@synthmark7687 he created a tool to crack it
LPL 1164 is a video of a lock which he can't pick.
@@TrickyTrickyFox Exactly. Not picked, cracked.
Now indeed there isn't a lock he can't open.
I mean LPL does have a decent bucket lists of locks he cant pick. He isnt showing most oft them because as LPL said. A video about locks he can't pick wouldnt be very entertaining.
"I will send him another lock within 2 years" yeah right 😂
You missed a perfect chance to call this channel “stuff made there”
😂😂
if he did that then the two channels would be confused between each other cause they sound so similar
@@Cbeast and the same name but with a number isn't exactly that? 😉
@@SamEy3Am no? i don't get confused between channels with a second channel. i'm not an idiot...
@@SamEy3Am no ? Second channel being channel 2 is obvious…
Next time you should make a box or something containing a bottle of scotch.
Yup
Lagavulin 16.
Maybe make a different type of lock, a door lock is one thing but a padlock or some other thing might be cool for securing the goods
But no lingerie please!
@@jannikheidemann3805 no USED lingerie please.
I disagree, giving him a win would be less interesting. Imagine a lock picking lawyer video where he for once couldn't pick it.
Well, he didn't give him a win at all. He sent him the best he could and then LPL told him what made them pickable.
If he then sent him fixes while he was doing the video that isn't "giving him a win".
That's like me saying I could ace any quiz ever, I'd just have to be given all the answers first.
There won't be a video if he can't pick it... All his channel is about managing to pick any lock so...
@@agilagilsen8714 if you watched the video, he said he already realised some of the issues before sending it over. But it would have turned into a rolling ball of fixes because there's always another little thing that can be improved. The extra fixes he was told by lpl was another thing altogether. With that one he said it felt disingenuous to do back and fix stuff based of what he was told because it would muddy the rules of engagement, and that wouldn't necessarily be his lock anymore.
There is a LPL video where he can't pick the lock. It's the Bowley Lock. He has gotten significantly better since 2018, but still it's an example of a video where he can't pick the lock. th-cam.com/video/qV8QKZNFxLw/w-d-xo.html
He says he promised to send him a new lock in 2 years. It’s been 3 years, Shane…
Still waiting on that lock.
@@Aaron6791ae yes we are
Next LPL episode: "Now, Shane seems to have missed an old exploit where you hit the door with a sledge hammer right.... Here. And there we go. Better luck next time to Shane from stuff made here"
That's a different kind of security issue :P Even the best unpickable lock is useless if you take the other rear door that was left open, the key was under the mat, or you put the lock on the wrong house...
@@IsM1ku tell that to Mrs. LPL when LPL locks up the ice cream :V
@@6Qubed that ice cream video by LPL was hilarious 😂
This made me laugh out loud. Nicely done Mr. Rohrbach
@@IsM1ku I mean, if you have a spare door…
I wanted him to say " a little click out of three."
You get it dude.
I was hoping he would pull out the Bosnian bill pick by some miracle
nothing on 1, 2 is binding a little click out of 3
the reason LPL was focused on the damage is the idea that someone whose lock is picked leaving no trace may take longer to learn that their security has been defeated. Consider the hypothetical of a thief trying to enter a safe, the thief is more likely to get away if the owner of the safe does not learn that they have been robbed until hours or even days later, whereas if the very next time the safe owner looks at the safe they see the lock has been smashed, they will immediately be on alert.
Or, more commonly, law enforcement planting bugs.
Yes, I was thinking if damage isn't a concern then you can just bash the door in/saw around the lock etc.
@@nathan87 windows and much easier to break then locks are to pick lol well unless your LPL of course
Also if you lose your keys and hire someone to pick your locks and they just destroy them it's annoying
Although of course some people do do that lol
@@jumpnit3121 Someone so concerned with their security that they are willing to create their own lock is more than likely a candidate for burglar bars on their windows. Yes, Windows are easy to break but they are also just as easy to protect against entry or at least mitigate it. A door exists for the purpose of walking through and would be an easier entry point in pretty much all circumstances once the breach has occured.
In a way, the concerns around how much damage there is sort of has to be part of lock picking as a "game" or activity. If you don't care about damage, you can just drill or hack or grind most locks.
Alternatively, your common thief is not gonna be pulling out a saw in the niddle of the night, this is not Payday 2
@@EdyAlbertoMSGT3Youd be truly surprised. Handheld circular saws are often used for breakins where i live.
"I still don't have any intention on selling this.
10 years in the future, I arrive home from work, pull out my keys, insert them into my STUFF brand unpickable lock, and think back upon these heady days.
We can only hope.
"it would be lame if he couldn't pick the lock". haha no, that would be absolutely insane
Yeah, as someone who likes LPLs videos, I actually *want* to see a lock that'll outdo him. If that exists, I'm using it.
It would be amaze balls and to just watch it happen would feel like an accomplishment. Maybe someone could catch Devient Ollum’s attention and input?
I suspect as often as lpl routinely beats professionally designed and commercially available locks, many self described as unpickable, finding one that’s a real challenge or unbeatable is quite a thrill. Please don’t wait 2 years to utilize his improvements and anything else you come up with to make unpickable locks. Moving such a lock in to the market would be both a great adventure/fun to watch and a source of ongoing income to fund your “stuff made here.”
@@mitchellbarton7915 too bad criminals rarely pick locks lol. Much easier to just kick in the door or a window
@@rylandavis2976 Eh only if they assume the danger for them is minimal. Not all of them are stupid. Only the ones you hear about
@@evelbill1439 Lol perhaps. And to be honest I don't think LPL would be upset at a lock he couldn't pick. I don't know the guy, but what I can guess from his personality is he'd praise a lock he couldn't beat. Imagine if someone managed to develop an unpickable, yet affordable lock. One can hope
I thoroughly enjoyed your process, and equally enjoyed the LPL's breakdown. Just the fact that your locks prompted a video longer than 2 minutes on his channel signifies an extraordinarily valiant build on your part! And now that you have recieved the most valuable lessons on your designs, I will be waiting anxiously for Version 3 vs LPL! Bravo sir!
12:00 I know this vid is a year and a half old, but my experience with building doors compels me to chime in. Most doors I work with have a bevel. That is where the edge of the door that sits against the jambs has a slight angle to it. This allows the gap to be much smaller while still allowing the door to swing freely. This is the case for most of the interior and exterior doors I've worked on.
He put the door on backwards. The lock should be on the other side of the door.
Just one month left.
When you were talking about the gap between the door and the frame, on a real door, the side that is opposite the hinges has a slight chamfer to allow the door to clear the frame and still have a small gap.
He mentions he made it backwards accidentally
@@3lapsed In many other countrys the door opens out.
You could easily drill the edge of the door frame for a bigger gap or just use a grinder with a thin disc to just cut the bolt in half.
@@siiioxide and now this is destructive entry
Even with very little gap you can use thinner stock to do the same.
17:10
Yeah, that's actually really big in high-security operations where if sensitive information does get compromised, KNOWING that it's compromised can really mitigate the damage. The DoD Lock program actually has a 20-hour minimum standard for vault doors against "surreptitious entry," whereas covert entry (tool marks) is just 30 minutes.
The comment I was looking for.
Yes, there are tons of ways to break into a place, but breaking in without being detected is a whole other level of security concern.
lol that reminds me of that LPL video where he showed those standard button combination locks mandated by the DoD back in the 70s/80s for all military, DoD, & civilian contractors (& filtered down to a lot of other gov stuff & even schools); the original ones could be opened by just putting a magnet on the side, leaving no evidence of them being opened. Amazing. Millions of them were put out before they realized it, & then had to design & issue out a parts kit to fix it. :D
Desperately trying not to be a pedant but I think you mean overt not covert? Your point is well made and interesting, either way.
@@jeremyclark7866 Sorry very randomly came across this comment and I know its 6m old but thought I would answer - as far as I know (and please anyone more knowledgeable correct me) covert means non destructive entry where the door/lock/safe whatever appears intact but an investigator can detect (if you pick a lock next person who uses the door might not know the lock was picked, but an investigator can see the marks left by the pick inside the lock and determine it was picked), surreptitious entry means there is no evidence of tamper/unauthorized opening. Overt entry means anyone will be able to tell someone entered (lock cut, door broken etc...)
@@fettrettysm
We need these 2 to actually come together and build a truly unpickable lock.
12 ga. Picks all
@Pat Rioticone well actually. Demolition ranch has a video on this and I think it would suprise you how well some locks can hold up to guns such as a 12 gauge
@@jasonmcmillan7733 well actually? ......Really Kevin? ....... seen the videos, as millions have. Demolition ranch did not breach break the door. Do your homework on real gun use. Not flat range fantasy.
@@justsomeguy-- the range is the best way to test the capability of a firearm in most cases.
@@Praceus-27 also the best way for you to train. For some it gets boring. Need more interaction , shoot and move, weather conditions, and actual scenarios, instead of next to a table in the shade at 25 or 50 yards.
It's funny how the slightest oversight such as accidentally building the doors inside out could render the main product completely useless.
Really makes you appreciate the ingenuity and experience involve in the design of everyday objects.
I'd be happy with the outcome of the lock. It's not everyday that LPL gives compliments to a lock. The fact that the video he made about it was over 10 minutes long (his videos average 2-3 minutes) is just a testament to how good the lock actually was. Congrats, Shane. The lock might not truly be "unpickable" in the classical sense but the fact that he had to alter his attack method as well, made it even more impressive. LPL is truly a master at defeating locks.
Have Bosnian Bill make them, then you can say "the lock Bosnian Bill and I made"
And then LPL would pick it with "the tool Bosnian bill and him made" 😂
But then Bosnian Bill would retire, break into the vault with the designs, and start a lock company
"I wanted him to have a win" He would have had one regardless, the man is cracked
Exactly my thought.. The fact that he even said it is wrong on so many levels. He could have fixed anything he wanted and LPL would still be able to pick it.
I mean, by his logic I could get straight A's if I become an engineering student. All I would need is someone who knows everything that will tell me everything I do wrong and give me the chance to fix it.
he is much more of a tool when he is off script. what a douchy thing to say
He’s triggered, and I can’t stand how he keeps saying he is hurt lol, why does the new generation get so butt hurt when proved wrong, don’t get hurt and offended, learn from it
I read that as "I wanted him to have the win he earned by finding that flaw", just abbreviated because it's obvious to most people. Similar to how chess doesn't allow taking back a move when you're in check, unless you're five years old and playing against your grandpa.
New lock for him? It’s been 2 years :)
"Quite good" is like one of the highest praises you could get from LPL.
You should be proud.
I'm imagining movie like comment reviews on the lock.
>A huge step forward for locks- Brothers and lock
>An entirely new lock design - Locks reviewed.
>If you are only buying one lock this year it should be this. - Key and company
> Quite good. LPL
Something I'm not even a hundred percent sure that Shane fully understands is just how modest/humble lock picking lawyer actually is, the stuff that he's said about the locks that Shane sent his way tells me that he thinks with those flaws fixed that there would be no non-destructive attack that would reliably work without extreme amounts of effort on the attackers part
Lock: survives more than 1 minute on LPL hands
Everyone: well sell me ur intire stock
While selling the lock yourself might be inconvenient, selling the design/patent to a company that can mass manufacture it seems like a good idea to me.
LEASE IT
DONT SELL IT
He can not patent it at that point
Sure he can, licensing patents is a thing
Unfortunately, designs already in the public domain can't be patented. His intent wasn't to patent, but important to note, don't share your designs if you intend to apply for a patent.
@@josephquist9662 that is true generally, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did patent it. He's got a bunch of patents on other inventions, and a bunch of patents pending, so it's not like he's new to the process.
Sooo, I just rewatched this because I find the project to be quite interesting. If I'm not mistaken you said that you promised him another lock within 2 years. Will we get to see it soon :D?
Yeah man its over 2 years whers the damn update! I got tired of checking for it for every month last 2 years
17:00 Yeah, the purpose of lockpicking is to get in *without anyone knowing you got in* . There are two ways to bypass a lock: defeat it, and circumvent it. Defeating it means picking it, of course. Circumventing it means either finding another way in, or, worst case, applying enough force to make the entire *door* go away.
In other words, you can bypass any lock with a large enough amount of explosives, but people are gonna know you were there.
No sir, it would have been a pleasure to watch LPL suffer with a lock and admit defeat. It would have ranked up there with the Alamo.
youtube would explode to smithereens
That would have been a truely unique moment in internet history.
That would never ever happen in the world of ever
I don't remember the Alamo, but you might be right.
@@Nikioko heh
The best praise you can get for anything you've done is having someone else say "I've had a great time"
And the lock picking lawyer saying he had a great time is more compliment than most people give credit for, lock picking lawyer has fun in trying new challenges that he's never dealt with before, so when he says he had a great time he means that he enjoyed the challenge that these locks presented him whereas a thief on the other hand if they were trying to be stealthy would very much not enjoy dealing with this, because under all realistic circumstances you are going to have to break out destructive methods to get into these locks unless you are an incredibly skilled individual
That is a great compliment.
Your 2 years is up, where is the lock
I would love to see another revision made as close to “truly” unpickable as humanly possible. Y’all are 2 of my fave channels!
I think both are unpickable. "Theoretically" is IF its suitably worn ( or not worn) or some other condition ,and maybe he can fashion the tool and if the actual implementation is close enough to the picture , etc etc i think if he didnt pick it,he cant pick it ..
You both are really smart guys. I'm glad to see that you two aren't taken any of this personally. Working together is fun and much more productive.
taking...for God sakes man, how do you screw that up
I'm really interested in a video or two about making the lock production-ready, or at least a bit closer to it. That's a vital part of engineering you very rarely see videos about.
You mean the most boring part of engineering?
-and then, sadly, come the patent trolls and the design thieves and the Chinese. Sigh.
Theres a guy making balisong scissors thats in that process right now. He posts like once a month but hes sorta in integration hell where its just iteration after iteration trying to get everything to be exactly how he wants it before its ready for mass production. Interesting stuff and you can really see how much thought goes into all the parts and how easy it is to miss a step
Shane said that the parts required are very original and requires lots of engineering or smth like that. Hence he probably won't be able to get it into mass production.
If you would check out his video when making this lock.
That being said. I would like an unpick able lock on the market too :D
@@2e3crescens I would too, if for no other reason than to pressure other lock makers to do a better job. But in terms of being able to buy and _use_ an unpickable lock myself, I think I’ll worry more about that after I have unbreakable windows and doors. :)
Honestly I would love to see a continuation of this collaboration. That way LPL would finally have a lock he could say is unpickable. And you could go in together to sell it as merch or go into full time business with it.
It's not economically viable to produce. The lock would cost magnitudes more than anything else on market.
“I didn’t know how the second lock so (giving him a win) felt like a safe thing I could do.”
Lol I got a kick out of that. It’s easy to think when you’ve designed something for an express purpose that you’ve covered all the bases but be completely overlooking something you didn’t know you didn’t know. I’ve definitely been there.
Yup, that made me lol too.
I feel your title is misleading - he gave you a ton of praise, which is rare for LPL. Your locks did amazing
“Misleading Title…”. Yeah, sadly this is typical TH-cam theses days. Gotta mislead, lie, fake it, etc….i read a TH-camr’s “defense” to this , he said he ‘needed to do it’ in order to ‘keep on increasing his views…’
Clickbait & Lies just lead me to 👎🏼.
@@ernestgalvan9037 are you okay?
Well honestly you can watch the video and tell that he looks kinda sad
So maybe he personally felt like he got "beatdown"?
LPL is rly cool and so is shane idk
he just got a little salty is all
@@ernestgalvan9037 i didn’t feel misled. I don’t think anyone really clicked this video and was disappointed that they didn’t see the “beatdown” they imagined for the reason that LPL was humble in victory. And honestly, beatdown is probably the least important word in the title as far as generating views goes.
This having a lock maker have a lock picker test the lock reminds me of when my brother told me about his time as an engineer at the San Diego nuclear power plant. To test their security, they teamed up with the Navy SEALS, to have the SEALs do an unannounced infiltration. Well, partially announced. The security knew the SEALS would attempt to reach the control room sometime within the span of a month to simulate an enemy team trying to cause a meltdown. Needless to say, the SEALs succeeded in their mission, and reached the core. As per the agreement, they showed exactly how they did it, and offered solutions to plug up the security holes. The power plant became more secure, and the SEALs got some good infiltration training. Win-win. That's what these two videos remind me of. :)
It’s been 2 years ☹️
The damage done is incredibly important. Say, for example you do make an unpickable lock, for it to guarantee security it also needs to be unbreakable and so does the door and the walls, roof and floor of the room. I think that's why no big company is trying for higher security locks, because they're already at the point where most people would just break their way in.
I watched this video yesterday called world's strongest man vs world's strongest door. The company makes steel residential doors and they lock similar to vault doors. Very impressive.
It's the whole category of the sport ("non-destructive"). So full disclosure of any damage, regardless of practical implication, is paramount. Drilling a small hole from the underside would probably also go unnoticed for a long time in the real world, but would not be part of this ball game.
@@TormodSteinsholt my comment was more in relation to his discussion about making it more secure and going into production. I don't think there is really a place for such a high security lock in the real world because no key operated lock alone would ever be secure and with any supplementary security methods employed to secure a door, a more secure lock would also not really be necessary.
before LPL: 'I can make an unpickable lock'
after LPL: 'I can make a nearly unpickable lock'
the comment section: we told u so.
I would sooooo watch a follow-up where the two of you collab for a impervious lock design! After all, iteration and testing is the name of the game in hard engineering challenges!
bruh i really hope you do a v3 lock for LPL. This was truly one of the most exciting collabs for me. I seen your video where you made the locks before LPL had actually attempted them and i was so excited for it. LPL is truly is wizard when it comes to opening locks, and you truly are an innovator of our generation.
i am very excited and hopeful there will be another collab, and believe me, im rooting for the defeat of LPL lol. Such a fun project and im really glad this ended up happening. so very cool!
ill bet your v3 lock wins, now that you know the tactics he used to get through, ill bet you can make one in which he will have to use different techniques in order to get them open.
again i just want to express how totally cool this was, you and LPL make outstanding content, and i really didnt think he was going to be able to beat the locks. i was worried he wouldnt even post a video because he would have bene defeated and shamed, but LPL never disappoints. its actually unbelievable how well he can pick locks. LPL is like a member of oceans 11.
"So I wanted him to have a win"
-famous last word
gives me a sore loser vibe, maybe because i used to say that as a kid lmao
@@blackroberts6290 it did at first to me too, but I think it’s just him being honest. I doesn’t surprise me that he would want to give LPL more views. I think it just comes from him misunderstanding LPL’s audience though, we would love to see him stumped on a lock.
I was surprised by that comment, LPL doesnt need any freebies and its a bit insulting to LPLs skill.
I put it down as not understanding the competition and his audience.
Engineers aren't known for their people skills.
@@TheWabbit Well theoretically, at the end of this we will have an “unpickable” lock. So my interpretation of “i wanted him to have a win” was that it would be unfair and perhaps disingenuous to condense the whole collaborative process into a total of merely 3 videos (if i recall correctly), with the final of which being where LPL admits defeat. Anyways, my perception of the whole project is that they’re collaborating to make an unpickable lock, but with a bit of friendly and respectful competition. Not fixing every issue as LPL finds them is part of that respect. He’s willing to admit defeat, but will go on to try again.
@@TheWabbit yeah I feel it’s just him lacking in the people skills department. I definitely don’t think he intended to come across the way he did though, they’re both very committed to their craft and clearly loved this competition with a respect for one another.
Best part was the door bell with dog bark.... cracked me up every time.
HIM: "I wanted him to have a win."
ME: "He really said that?"
He does have a point. Even now he could create something that LPL will have a hard time on. Specially now that he knows the last weakness of his work.
That is engineering.
Yup, so humble.
@@gabrieldauz3533 no lock is unlockable....
@@joecoolmccall if a lock is not unlockable, it's a brick lol
@@theodorechu6460 I meant unpickable lol
14:30 "Within 2 years" passed a couple moths ago. ^_^