That law about skill-based games was meant for gaming machines, but that was overturned in 2015 to allow games of skill. That is why you can find many video poker machines that offer payouts over 100% if played with perfect skill. As for blackjack, that has always been a game of skill. None of us today are making into a game of skill. We are just putting into practice the perfect strategy that has been known for decades, with an advantage gained by card counting. True, our winnings are trivial compared to the mountains of casino earnings, but they are not kicking us out for the amount we win. They just don't like their game being exposed as being beatable.
@@T-Vegas I have been working as a table games dealer for 9 years now. And even if you count cards perfectly, the odds are still in the houses favor. After the shuffle. The dealer cuts off about 2 decks worth of cards, basically to prevent card counting.
@@howardjones1388 True, there are places with bad playing conditions for counters, but we know there are many, many casinos to choose from. We look for the best conditions to play in. Even some common gamblers can recognize bad rules and penetration, which takes away business as well. Too many countermeasures can hurt business, that is why games are still beatable today.
My neighbor is a black female in her 70's that uses a wheelchair she counts cards and wins and the casino tried to stop her play once. She yelled discrimination and they let her play. I sure love me Mrs. Washington.
B S when being black works lol. The prob with counters is they are too greedy. If they bet smarter and make it more random they could take the money no probs. It's looks good to lose sometimes. If you run out of casinos your counting days are done.
I gotta thank you for actually informing people not to argue. That's the last thing you should do in any situation while on someone's private property.
Hmm.... that makes me wonder.... what if there are government sanctioned casinos? Can they force member of the public off the premise? Or that casino would become glorified ATM?
KaiserXionTV Quebec Canada casinos, Winnipeg also in Canada. Montreal casino has at least a 10k limit on bj, but you have to be cleared to get into there(not easy), other bj is up to $100-3000, 50-2000 are the biggest ones outside the private room. About -65 off the top, 8 decks outside games. Inside 6 decks, stay soft 17.
Remember that this guy is definitely on the Griffin list. He'll never get to go back into a casino himself because he decided to teach us. This man is a hero.
Don't get so damn ahead of yourself... I will bet any amount he did not CHOOSE to be a youtuber until he knew there was no opportunity loss in doing so. You make as if he fell on his sword...lol not at all. He is looking to maximize his profits AS USUAL and AS HE SHOULD.
As far as the casinos are concerned, you are there to lose money. It should be obvious to anyone who isn't stupid that the longer you play there the greater the chance you're going to lose.
When I was 22 I worked delivering pizzas on the strip I got read the trespass act and had my photo taken at the Riviera. They didn't want me delivering a pizza cus they wanted ppl to eat at their restaurants. They claimed I was a security risk and could break into rooms but I was delivering to a man in the lobby so idk how that would happen lol 5 years later they closed down haha
@@tc1817 because they dont have that rule. They dont want to tell guests "you can't eat that here" because it may make them want to choose a different casino in the future. So they ban the drivers. A bunch of strip casinos do it really (and others don't care like the Excalibur they are fine as long as you deliver it to ground level and not up to the room itself) but most of the ones that DO care i had an old room key for so I could look like a guest.
I work surveillance on a high value casino property...just don't get greedy and you can make PLENTY of money. When you get greedy you get the casino's attention....then you are done.
@Dweeeeeezy09 if you walk into the casino every other day or every 3 days with 500 dollars and leave with over 3k, every single time, might be a good definition
@@paolopeti5182 most of the time if you double or triple your bet you always go under the radar but if you jump from 20 to 100-200+ you get unwanted attention.
I was once "backed off" and I wasn't even counting cards. Used to visit my small local casino every weekend for a drink with friends. I would bet the occasional £40 or £50 but that was it. One weekend I went on the run of my life. Started a little larger than normal and sat down with £100. I had a huge amount of luck on every double down and split and also won 2 big side bets. After about 3 or 4 hours, I was playing £200 hands and was about about £6000. They used the old, "you've had too much to drink" trick.
Card counting seems to be for those who like to jump from casino to casino. It's better and more consistent to teach it than to actually do it. Glad to see that you are teaching something people want.
As a former casino security guard everything you said is correct. Although in my 10 years I never even heard of a card counter coming to our casino. Maybe our pit bosses were just dumb! Lol
cause the truth is they don't care if they count they still lose unless they play in teams. This Colins jones a fake just like most bj people on youtube trying ot charge 1000s for his scam courses. These guys are pure cringe. They aren't fooling a real gambler like myself who actually makes a living gambling. The only guys who get backed off are the rich ones that could hit the casino for millions and those guys don't count cards. Someone needs to investigate this colin jones guy and see how many people he got to pay 1000s for his nonsense courses. Hes shown 0 proof of any real results playing bj and people believe him on a sus looking back off. My friend been backed off after he hit the casino for a few million. He says this guys a fake and most youtubers are.
I know one guy at my local casino that always gets a free meal there because he loses 3000 on a weekly basis but he doesn't care because he's happy he gets a free meal out of it
It isn’t even luck. Casinos are designed to take more money than they give out. Every single game there puts the player at an objective disadvantage. The only way to overcome it is with skill, and doing so might put you at an objective advantage, where you on average make more money than you lose. Casinos hate that since they lose money, so they kick you out.
@@josephsherby well, casinos are indeed designed to make a profit, but luck is still a factor. If noone ever won, noone would be playing at the casino. Sure, you are unlikely to win long term, but short term anyone can get lucky.
Huh. One of the times I was backed off was after the worst day I ever had in a casino when I lost 2900 dollars in one day. They did it because of the way I was playing, not because of the actual outcome I got. So I guess the management in that casino you got backed off in, was just incompetent.
Sometimes I feel like going to Vegas for the weekend...then I start up my old PlayStation, load fallout new Vegas, blow through 2,000 caps in an hour, and shoot the place up. Urge satisfied.
Good thing for this guy is he is a really good counter so he can guarantee big wins fast. Some casinos are not as hot as others. Some won't even know what your doing till they are made aware you have doubled up. By this time you have done your job. Would be brilliant to fill a table with counters and make it obvious so one gets caught. Then the caught counter distracts the spotter for 30 mins while the others rape the table.
I would silently regard it as a compliment, many casinos are trying everything to get people in or to come back, and walkout, maybe returning a couple months later.
"They don't want winners" Of coarse that is true,with one caveat..I imagine that the ideal situation for them would be a small amount of very visible,very vocal and strategically located winners..
Ask a friend or co-worker how the weekend trip to LV was and there are 2 standard answers: 1) Won big! (they will pad the amount or round upwards) 2) "...well, I guess, all-in-all I'd say I broke even"....translation: "I lost my ass but don't really wanna talk about it"
As a casino dealer, if you keep your wins low, and don't get greedy, you can win $800+ and easily not get suspected of counting. Only the ones winning 10's of thousands do they bring a card counting team person by and alert surveillance. Rarely have I seen the card counting team involved, so unless you're up $2,000+, you have nothing to worry about
Jewelz EDM The casino in my area only has electric blackjack and I didn’t count the card. I’m a fast math learner so I didn’t need to count cards in the screen. I bet only a little. If I just only bet a little $$ but then you win more $$, am I fine here? Less is always more like people said.
I used to work at an Indian casino in the restaurant as a cook. And through a series of events I ended up meeting a couple of Natives from a bigger casino and they taught me the most common and basic card counting technique. And since I knew all the dealers at my little casino, they were perfectly okay with knowing that I was counting cards. I flat out told them that I learned how and they thought it was cool how I could win so much consistently and make max bets out of nowhere and hit blackjack. It's definitely an advantage playing at a small casino where people know and like you.
Hi colin I've been playing blackjack for over 20 years counting playing low to mid stakes solo. I have to compliment you on your videos. There is so much poor info out there on blackjack and counting. You say it as it is with accurate information. Great yo see. Well done
bro you are a super nice guy, and you have a great view on how the situation of being backed off should be handled. Great advice for fellow players mate. It's not often you find content creators on here in superhero status, that arent full of themselves and cocky as hell about their skills. thanks for this.
It bewilders me how anyone can imagine it would be illegal or immoral. It's like telling a chess player that he must decide his next move by throwing a pair of dice and that he's not allowed to plan his next move, or that he's not allowed to know what his opponent's move was in the previous move. It also amazes me how consistently bad casinos are at figuring me out. I'd have me figured out on day 1. Like, if I was in the security booth and someone like me played, the first time the count gets high and he raises his bet, I'd be mostly sure from that, but I would be even more certain if they did it a 2nd time. And yet I don't even know how many times I've been at the same casino and bet more than the minimum only when the count is high, and only taken insurance when the count is high, and yet it takes an astonishingly long amount of time for them to get a clue. I'd have anyone else figured out pretty quickly too if they were doing it at the table with me since they'd be betting bigger whenever I am, and it surprises me that they never do, consistently when they vary their bets, it is not in response to the count at all. That must be why blackjack is still a thing. If people weren't consistently complete morons, it as a casino game would have been gone from casinos by the end of 1961.
In Louisiana, as of August 1, 2018, casinos can only ask or make you leave for illegal or disruptive behavior. The law was actually written by a card counter State Representative. Before then, casinos could, as you say, tell you to leave for any reason. No longer. My understanding is that in New Jersey, they can’t stop card counters, either. What is your experience in those states?
But then, isn’t that also a bad thing that they cannot stop card counters? Because now, they can just make the game unbeatable by making blackjack pay 6 to 5, deep penetration, continuous shuffling, etc.
I haven't played LA since the law change. But it's probably like NJ, where they just shuffle on you if they know you're a card counter and you raise your bet.
That's not a good thing. It mean's they're likely going to add decks to the shoe, use CSMs, change from 3:2 to 6:5 among other things. Even if the State Rep was an AP that doesn't matter.
@@SirJoelsuf1 They can only go so far before they start hurting their own bottom line though. With Blackjack already taking a backseat to baccarat, any drastic changes could hurt them. We used to have CSMs and 6 to 5 everywhere here. Now you won't find one table. Hard Rock just opened the new casino under the guitar. Maybe 25 new tables.. $10 (on a Sat night) min, hand shuffle 8D. That was unheard of 2 years ago. No S17 or 6D though, which would be perfect.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship True, the law does not require any particular set of rules for BlackJack as to shuffling or deck penetration. Free market competition will keep some of that in check.
I made the $600k in 2 years, working about 20 hours/week. Since then, I focused on running teams (averaging 6-figures) and running Blackjack Apprenticeship (I make 6-figures doing BJA).
EV is generated over hands played per hour. Including variance, with a high enough spread, $30k is entirely doable in a single session, let alone a weekend.
@@jamsstaylor2348 What would that prove though? Maybe he gave it away to charity. Or invested it in his retirement like an intelligent person would. Maybe he burned it in a campfire with Moregangster. Still not sure how his results prove or disprove the math he is teaching. Maybe you can clear that up for me?
@@jamsstaylor2348 Yea but Colin has credibility with Blackjack Hall of Famers. He could be blind in a wheelchair and it wouldn't change anything. This is the beautiful thing about science. It can be validated by your opposition. Card counting science is not up for debate. Whether someone is successful or not while doing it, has absolutely nothing to do with the credibility of that science. Your results may vary. I can explain it in detail if you're being sincere. If you have questions or concerns, ask. That's what we're here for.
I agree 100% , not worth it to argue ... I use to be a great card counter but now days I feel like if you don’t have a team, it’s not worth your time .
The pitboss had eyes on me one time, i felt watch as he was talking watching me cause i switch tables few times. I just left before they spot me and cameback a other night when it wasn't the same pitboss
Thank you for this video. I got heat for 2nd time ever and first time in 20 years. Got backed off and immediately trespassed at mount airh in Pennsylvania. Instead of causing a scene which I really wanted to do, I just calmly cashed out and walked out(followed by security). Ok I did mutter under my breath to few people walking in that "they wont let you play here if you actually know how to play"...but not enough for security to say anything further to me.
I went to a blackjack table and on my first hand I won 10 bucks! Then I was promptly removed and severely beaten for 3 hours straight. Casino night at my church is no joke.
I experienced this recently. The table I was at was cracking up about how the dealer was helping us win (we were joking obviously) and immediately got switched out. The next guy, Chris, was not a cool dude.
Actually us dealers switch every 1 hr. Not because the casino wants to switch the dealer is because is our entitled breaks. And if I'm late for my break that means the next dealer will be late for theirs and so forth. To be fair we use a continuous shuffling machine so card counting doesn't work. Sometimes you get nothing and all of a sudden twenty ten's come in a row. I'll say about one in 20 guests actually win money but they don't win much. Maybe win $300 when then start with $100 on a $10 table. Best trick is stay safe on a hot streak once things change up leave the table and find another one.
I was at Caesars in Atlantic City recently and my buddy went on a run at 5 AM and started winning back all the money he had lost throughout the night. They switched the dealer like four or five times in an hour lmao.
if casinos had a continuously shuffling deck then card counting could not even work ... If card counting makes casinos loose money then they would mostly impliment a continuous shuffler.
@@gta5onlinefunnymomentscrew597 the odds are in the houses favor because we draw last and draw till we make a hand or bust. Shuffling changes nothing for the house doofus, it changes it for the counter though...back to the usual odds.
@@messyjesse1173 That will never happen because casinos are a legal business and getting tangled up in illegal actions is absolutely the last thing you want for a mutli-billion dollar legal business. Bad PR and criminal lawsuits can cripple a corporation. They dont care about losing a few hundred grand or even millions from a few card counters. They make WAY more money from the legal business of everyone else paying into the casino to care about a few million dollars. And once you know who is a card counter, you just keep their name and picture in a database, and dont let them back in if they try to show up to the casino again. No need for illegal action at all, and they dont have bad PR and are still making billions.
I learned how to count single deck and hit the Cortez in Vegas. I heard they were very strict but no one seemed to care about me spreading 1-6 and only betting a nickel for the rest of the deck when Aces came out early. Maybe I got lucky, they seemed much more interested in the players spreading the same with black chips.
Isn’t there a way to avoid it, say you have a goal amount to win, you win it quickly then the overage you start to purposefully loose and win periodically put loose it more than win? Seems to me that that could avoid a confrontation. Then you just get up with your winnings having hit your goal already
if you purposely lose then you aren't really getting any winnings. If you win big to begin with then suspicion is raised immediately and your every move monitored. If you start a pattern like that then you will be seen as a card counter. They know the tricks and don't accept any of them.
Aaron Starke Most pros don't have goals as in amounts to win, it's more of put in the hours if possible. Pros don't lose on purpose, the edge is usually to small to do this. If you win by counting, then you try to look stupid or play bad, they will review the vid of you playing when you won.
My first time counting cards was this week in Vegas was at the El Cortez.... Within 30 minutes I was backed off by the pitboss. I was only up about $400 and was doing $5-50 spreads, nothing too crazy. Told me I could play any game in the casino I wanted but no more blackjack. I guess I was doing it at least sort of right ;-D Double deck though, so it wasn't extremely hard.
This is a really good video and very good advice. I'm a sports bettor and when an online book restricts me I take that as validation. It's my goal to bet restricted but ALL OF THEM. Different way of thinking about it, but when I reach my goal I will be a very wealthy man.
I play Spanish 21 a couple times a month. Usually with $200. Watching the table and paying attention is rather easy and I know when to increase my bet. I'll even say out loud,"the big ones are coming". Lol! It works probably %75 of the time. The only time a boss watched me is when I was fluctuating my bet while playing solo. I will be going tomorrow,hope to come out on top .
Doug styles Well, my guess is you don't know the basics of Spanish 21. If you are winning 75% of the time, get reading for some losing. Learn how to play, or else!👍
@@37rainman The "entertainment" at casinos is that hopefully they win lots of money, only to end up with disappointment. If that doesn't sound like thievery or at least trickery more than an innocent cinema, then I don't know what does.
Colin, I just returned from a trip to Vegas and experienced my very first backoff. It happened in under an hour of play, and I was playing for relatively low stakes (I was only up $400 when it happened; my bankroll is fairly small). Just wondering if a backoff occurring this quickly is normal. Thanks in advance for any feedback!
Landon Hicks , they were on to you and made you leave before it turned into a large sum. $400 to $600 $600 to $900 $900 to $1,350 Etc. The more you have, the quicker you can get a large sum.
Landon Hicks We played Vegas for years, advantage play! We never ever counted, this is the fastest way to get barred, photo, and ID. Had a friend waiting for me once in Vegas, he was playing 2 deck, spreading 10-25$, we played at a different table betting &1000 per hand, (dealer flashing hole card)we got comped, he got barred. Ate at Michaels that night. Lol
@@boohcrew8311 oh ok thanks for clearing that confusion up for me it sounded a lot more serious than that sounds like they are gonna take you to the back and beat you for cheating or something like in the movie Casino like during the old Vegas days lol
Card counting is an art and a science. Of course you must know how to count. And here’s the hard part. You must be able to get away with it. A good pit boss will notify surveillance. Why ? Because your winning. That’s why. And then surveillance will see that you are moving your bets when the count is in your favor. And then. That’s it. Your gone. And they do share information with other casinos. It’s tough. I’d say. If your humble and content with short money. Say a hundred. Maybe two a day. Maybe. Hey. It beats working for the man. 😮
Are online blackjack tables a good idea? I would think it is because you could have a picture of basic strategy right next to you and count cards without a pit boss next to you but maybe I’m over looking something
Just got backed off from my first casino last night! Went to Vegas and took 500 to play with. Started betting $50 units when I had the advantage bc why not! It was my fun money ahaha I ended up taking back $2100 for a profit of 1600 after 3 hours. The pit boss came over to back me off right as I was going to make a $450 bet! I had a glorious true 9! Man I was sad I didn’t have the chance to play that hand but feel super cool for having them kick me out. I did pretty well for my first time! Not perfect yet but I’m almost there. Gonna keep training until I’m comfortable rolling in with my $5000 bankroll. Thanks Colin!
So, you went to "card count" and took only $500, and you intended to bet $450 at some point? Possibly. But EXTREMELY improbable on several levels So I am smelling a BS story here. A REALLY smelly one, btw No card counter goes to a casino intending to bet that kind of a range with $500 in his pocket.
@@37rainman i was practicing and had broken even over 3 days. i hadnt bet more than 50 bucks the whole time i’d been there. i said fuck it on the last day since i’d expected to lose everything anyways and i ended up being on the right side of the cards. it wasnt til i had won over $1000 that i was about to place a bet for 450 and was backed off
I've heard from similar casino videos that they don't have to cash out your chips. I always thought it sounded insane and I had a hard time imagining it being legal, glad to at least hear a claim to the opposite effect.
Depends on the casino. If they can find reason to ban you and you come in later when you think they won't catch you (lol) and they do then your winnings are gone.
0:45....They think they can do whatever they want to do. We can't. There's laws. Try to drive 200 mph down a street and see what happens.....get me? Them red and blues will show up...understand.
A smart card counter would following itinerary to limit his time at the table and Casino... or you'll be come too recognizable to the eye in the sky... you want to avoid being back off by the casino!
In Atlantic City, it is illegal to refuse service to card counters if they do nothing other than count (which is why AC has such high deck numbers in shoes on most tables). I forget how the code is worded, but essentially it is a protected legal ability of playing without cheating.
From my opinion based upon my interpretation of federal laws...Civil rights laws have little weight on private properties. However, federal consumer protection laws were specifically designed to regulate private businesses & entities. Deceptive & unfair practices are probably the key topics & points here relating to how casinos treat their patrons/consumers. Players must understand that casinos are private businesses which cater to the general public. Also, when casinos offer the game of blackjack to the general public then they are most likely offering a game of chance to the general public knowing full well that the game of chance they are offering to the general public has card counting vulnerabilities. I feel that it is important to note that casinos do not have special protections or immunities from federal consumer protections laws. For example, is it unfair & deceptive for a casino patron to have the trespass act applied by the casinos when the only thing the patron was doing was gambling or attempting to gamble at a gambling establishment? Furthermore, is it a deceptive and unfair act by the casino to flat bet one casino patron and not another without informing the general public through the use of signs either at the table or any place else on the casino floor about a casino policy that is in place. While the casinos have every right to make & set policies on how to regulate their games they also have the obligation to inform the general public about their policies. The key question here is weather any of their policies violate provisions of the "Federal Trade Commission Act" such as deceptive or unfair practices statutes. If any of the policies conflict with provisions of the "Federal Trade Commission Act" then that is where the legal questions start to arise in my opinion. Basically, it all comes down to weather a casino is using deceptive or unfair practices to try & attempt to fleece money from the general public? What do you all think?
Can you imagine if it was "illegal" to think about your next move in a game of chess? Boy that would make for some lame chess competitions wouldn't it.
What do you recommend we do when they ask for an ID? Should we comply? What if they're forceful about it/threaten us by saying they'll call the police if we don't?
I have to ask what the purpose of "running teams" is... Especially if you're already knocking back 300K annually. Somehow I find it more heroic to "rip off" casinos than attempting to mentor and then presumably collect a fee from the plebs. One of those sorta situations you have to wonder about... For the low low price of 20$ I'll teach you how to make millions in flipping houses, baking cakes, buying/selling gold, etc. Why on Earth isn't the teacher doing what they're teaching? Make millions doing xyz? Or, make 20$ of schmucks. Odd.
I think Counting cards benefit from multiple people working together as it requires a large amount of scouting aka playing the game for an extended period of time betting the minimum. I imagine it is far less obvious when the scout is not also the winner? Also, any number of people (who can sit at a single table) can benefit from the scouting and then they can all share the costs. It might also take quite a while, as basically you are looking for a non-ramdom deck, I am not sure how common that is.
Jonathon Wisnoski why though? 300K isn’t enough? lol. More people just means more mouths to feed. I feel like if the “system” worked, they wouldn’t need to farm it out. I play blackjack all the time, I fluctuate my bet all the time. No one ever takes notice or kicks me out. I feel like all this is very exaggerated.
I have a very skeptical attitude towards things like this as well. but then try to logically pinpoint a solution for reason. some very plausible reasons someone would teach this would be: 1. no longer wants to travel all the time for work. 2. is tired of the grind 3. before having his face all over TH-cam, his face was all over casinos and simply had this gaming sessions cut too short too often. this more travel. 4. etc .
I recall reading in a Blackjack teaching book that about 95% of gamblers who go to Casinos have no gambling skills---the gambling establishments would surely want to keep it that way!Blackjack (or "21") is statistically the best edge any gambler gets in general at any Casino game according to the experts.Using your hard earned knowledge and skill scares them which makes no sense.Pit bosses are there to protect the "House Revenue" and even ban you from a Casino for being good at Blackjack.You want all their money,while they want all of your cash.Expect them to be vigilant.
When I played poker at Southern California card houses thirty-plus years ago, I witnessed an occasional floor man walking up behind a player and running his thumb up the player's back. The player would finish playing his hand, collect his checks, stand up, and go cash in. It seemed to me that, back when gamblers were gentlemen, that this was the best way to handle a back-off situation. Is the old-fashioned "brush off" still practiced, or has this gone the was of the gentleman gambler?
@@Big_Sierra Sir, i have been backed off many times over the last 17 years, the last of them just 3 days ago. Every one of them was totally respectful. They even appear to regret doing it If you behave well to other players, if you tip a little, if you behave like a gentleman you will be treated like a gentleman. The main one is, dont ever have words with another player about what he hits or doesnt hit. Its none of your business, and every rational counter knows that another player "playing badly" has zero effect upon ones bottom line over the long term.
Just got my 1st back off Colin! It took 300 hours at the same casino, 45 trips, and $3000 but they got me. I am validated yet devastated because I loved that casino and there aren’t many good ones near Kentucky. I learned mostly all of what I know from you, your app, and gambling with an Edge. I would love a video going into depth about how to try and prevent back offs, and how someone with around a $5000 bank roll could afford to Travel to US without too much cost things like hotel rooms. I would love a response and I would love to know your email address so I can message you there, thanks Collin!
joseph sawyer I do not think it is practical, though, because the system is too complicated (much harder than adding or subtracting 1 as you would in blackjack) and I heard that when the odds are in the player’s favor, the player is expected to win only 70 cents for every $1000 he bets. There is a page on Wizard of Odds about it.
Once I've won enough for a meal, I dine in the casino. I'll openly discuss the count at the table, and that I just want to win enough to pay for dinner. I've never had a problem. I think perhaps people don't believe I'm counting cards if I'm actually saying it. I use a system based loosely on Silberstang, where you actually vary the strategy depending on the count. This can really help to mask your knowledge, for example if you double down on an 8 when the count is crazy high, and everyone grins because they think you know nothing about basic strategy.
Once I got backed off at the Mirage. I was betting small and was only up about $400. I knew they thought I was counting. But I was not going to return to Vegas for more than a year plus I did all the things a card counter should not do. I stayed at the same table too long and played perfect basic strategy and only increased my bets by one unit at each true count of 1 and up and then back to 1 unit. The pit boss told me as he escorted me out to go home and read the chapter on camouflage. He was right I made all the classic mistakes to being asked to leave.
@@blackjackapprenticeshipgus6559 i don't get it. Is this just a very temporary gig then? If you get backed of you have to go to another place and ultimately you either break that rule and they probably easily get you again or you have to go to another casino. problem with that is you don't have to many choices because most places don't have to many. So what you then have to fly around the whole country jumping from one casino to another?
Even as a 20 year old and playing blackjack waiting for my friend to end his show at the showroom off the casino, and the meeting a dude who had a cable gambling show, now remember, this is the late 70's mostly around 80-82 I could never understand how they could ask a friend or two of mine to leave just because we were winning. Shit, he had a way that made winning easier and the basic strategy and deviations he taught ME- well, I sometimes would just flirt, talk to the dudes, and wait for that moment he'd signal " play now" and my 5 and 10 dollar bets would all of a sudden jump to 20 - 100 bets and pray for those double downs and my 20 bet would end up being a 130 dollar bet in 3 card spots. It was exciting watching the pit bosses come down by me and talk stupid shit. Then one time I was doing so well and some of that was pure luck and the next day back in N. Jersey I was at the mall buying a new outfit and/or tv and my friend was buying some Pierre Cardin cologne and it was fun. And exciting. And I never understand why they would treat us like we went I the and put a 9mlm. In their faces when all we were doing was thinking. Still the same I see but it sure is more electronically impressive.
@@raven7389 The alcohol is free, so people keep getting drunk and making mistakes. But if someone already lost their money they don't see the reason to keep giving free drinks to that person. Pretty scummy...
Once playing at a Lake Tahoe casino the young woman dealer told me I was counting. She reached under the table, looked like she pushed a panic button. A pit boss came over and watched us play two decks. It was one deck game. I made a few deliberate bad plays. She announced I needed to work on my ratios. She said she played in Vegas six months a year as a counter. The pit boss left. I resumed correct play, bet some tips for her, won. She dealt to the bottom of the deck. I got ahead of the money and halted play.
I am an advantage player at arcade games. I went to Bowleros in the Phoenix AZ area and every location locked my game when I started winning too jackpots. And then one location was crazy enough to resort to calling the police over my jackpot winnings. Even arcades back people off. Dave and Busters is more reputable and don't back off APs, they accept them.
For the most part, yes. I got backed off while playing a system called the "Fletcher Method" (it's a type of Martingale). I was already known as a winning NLHE player, and I was up some $300. Bet size variations and no Basic Strategy mistakes (I had also doubled (A8) v. a 6 in the door) are major red flags. The play of recreational players is pretty horrid, so good play tends to stand out.
Hi Colin, in your beginning experience, did you get backed off from playing perfect basic strategy and then deviating or high bets? Both? I saw the deviation chart and thought splitting 10s after perfect basic strategy is a red flag
Splitting tens will get everyone...dealers, pit bosses, supervisors, every other players attention. Only 2 reasons to split tens, you're a moron or your up to no good.
They will take you in the back room happened to me in AC in 1980 usual conversation is You can play any other game except blackjack. I tried playing dumb you cant count a 6 deck game.Didnt work.
if i'm a dealer, don't i get put in a position where i'm choosing whether to profit myself or profit the casino? like, if i suspect you're a card counter but i feel like the thinner the shoe gets, the fatter my tip might be (because your winnings will increase) do i not then ride the edge of plausible deniability and let you play a little longer? i'm not a gambler, i just ended up here on youtube, so forgive me if the question is naive.
It really does make you feel like a superhero. A multi-million dollar casino is afraid of you. Quite flattering.
lol. so true.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship You should go in with a cape 🤣😂
That law about skill-based games was meant for gaming machines, but that was overturned in 2015 to allow games of skill. That is why you can find many video poker machines that offer payouts over 100% if played with perfect skill.
As for blackjack, that has always been a game of skill. None of us today are making into a game of skill. We are just putting into practice the perfect strategy that has been known for decades, with an advantage gained by card counting. True, our winnings are trivial compared to the mountains of casino earnings, but they are not kicking us out for the amount we win. They just don't like their game being exposed as being beatable.
@@T-Vegas I have been working as a table games dealer for 9 years now. And even if you count cards perfectly, the odds are still in the houses favor. After the shuffle. The dealer cuts off about 2 decks worth of cards, basically to prevent card counting.
@@howardjones1388 True, there are places with bad playing conditions for counters, but we know there are many, many casinos to choose from. We look for the best conditions to play in. Even some common gamblers can recognize bad rules and penetration, which takes away business as well. Too many countermeasures can hurt business, that is why games are still beatable today.
My neighbor is a black female in her 70's that uses a wheelchair she counts cards and wins and the casino tried to stop her play once. She yelled discrimination and they let her play. I sure love me Mrs. Washington.
A race card beats every other card in the deck
yackawaytube Hells to the yes
But muh white privilege
B S when being black works lol. The prob with counters is they are too greedy. If they bet smarter and make it more random they could take the money no probs. It's looks good to lose sometimes. If you run out of casinos your counting days are done.
Richard Sam Mrs Washington ain’t ever going to loose
I gotta thank you for actually informing people not to argue. That's the last thing you should do in any situation while on someone's private property.
Hmm.... that makes me wonder.... what if there are government sanctioned casinos? Can they force member of the public off the premise? Or that casino would become glorified ATM?
@@Verpal that's some weird territory brother.
Verpal
How about government owned casinos, lol, usually they cannot bar.
@@johnmek4244 what casino is that?
KaiserXionTV
Quebec Canada casinos, Winnipeg also in Canada. Montreal casino has at least a 10k limit on bj, but you have to be cleared to get into there(not easy), other bj is up to $100-3000, 50-2000 are the biggest ones outside the private room. About -65 off the top, 8 decks outside games. Inside 6 decks, stay soft 17.
Remember that this guy is definitely on the Griffin list. He'll never get to go back into a casino himself because he decided to teach us. This man is a hero.
Don't get so damn ahead of yourself... I will bet any amount he did not CHOOSE to be a youtuber until he knew there was no opportunity loss in doing so. You make as if he fell on his sword...lol not at all. He is looking to maximize his profits AS USUAL and AS HE SHOULD.
@@jamesbarrick3403OK BRO, WE GET IT
"Hey..play games here to win money!"
"ok" *wins money by knowing how to play*
"We must ask you to leave"
seems fair.
Are you 12?
12 may be generous.
Jeez guys its just a joke
@@albert4042 Yep..those other 12yo dont get a joke
As far as the casinos are concerned, you are there to lose money. It should be obvious to anyone who isn't stupid that the longer you play there the greater the chance you're going to lose.
A common phrase is, "Your business is no longer welcomed here."
"funny, that's not what my wallet says"
@@khall187 "Funny, that's not how private business works."
@@khall187 cringe
casinowiz007
Fastest way to get that changed, is get some hot shot politician barred from a casino, then watch what happens.
John Mek Lets take Trump out for some drinks.
When I was 22 I worked delivering pizzas on the strip I got read the trespass act and had my photo taken at the Riviera. They didn't want me delivering a pizza cus they wanted ppl to eat at their restaurants. They claimed I was a security risk and could break into rooms but I was delivering to a man in the lobby so idk how that would happen lol 5 years later they closed down haha
who was ordering pizzas? Why didn't the hotel/casino just put a sign up saying "No outside food"
@@tc1817 because they dont have that rule. They dont want to tell guests "you can't eat that here" because it may make them want to choose a different casino in the future. So they ban the drivers. A bunch of strip casinos do it really (and others don't care like the Excalibur they are fine as long as you deliver it to ground level and not up to the room itself) but most of the ones that DO care i had an old room key for so I could look like a guest.
@@CreamerOfTheDairySquad and now the Riviera is broke, rejoice!
Coincidentally ever other hotel on the strip does the same thing, and they are still operational.
Creamer Of The Dairy Squad what a bunch of losers lmao
I work surveillance on a high value casino property...just don't get greedy and you can make PLENTY of money. When you get greedy you get the casino's attention....then you are done.
Do you work for security?
@@justinrnayy No....just surveillance. The departments are kept completely separate.
@@aalekhine5109 so If I make 800 euros in 1 hour starting from 10 is good?
@Dweeeeeezy09 if you walk into the casino every other day or every 3 days with 500 dollars and leave with over 3k, every single time, might be a good definition
@@paolopeti5182 most of the time if you double or triple your bet you always go under the radar but if you jump from 20 to 100-200+ you get unwanted attention.
I was once "backed off" and I wasn't even counting cards. Used to visit my small local casino every weekend for a drink with friends. I would bet the occasional £40 or £50 but that was it. One weekend I went on the run of my life. Started a little larger than normal and sat down with £100. I had a huge amount of luck on every double down and split and also won 2 big side bets. After about 3 or 4 hours, I was playing £200 hands and was about about £6000. They used the old, "you've had too much to drink" trick.
Card counting seems to be for those who like to jump from casino to casino. It's better and more consistent to teach it than to actually do it. Glad to see that you are teaching something people want.
As a former casino security guard everything you said is correct. Although in my 10 years I never even heard of a card counter coming to our casino. Maybe our pit bosses were just dumb! Lol
So where did you use to work at 🌚
I also like to know where u work please👀
cause the truth is they don't care if they count they still lose unless they play in teams. This Colins jones a fake just like most bj people on youtube trying ot charge 1000s for his scam courses. These guys are pure cringe. They aren't fooling a real gambler like myself who actually makes a living gambling. The only guys who get backed off are the rich ones that could hit the casino for millions and those guys don't count cards. Someone needs to investigate this colin jones guy and see how many people he got to pay 1000s for his nonsense courses. Hes shown 0 proof of any real results playing bj and people believe him on a sus looking back off. My friend been backed off after he hit the casino for a few million. He says this guys a fake and most youtubers are.
the 48 people that disliked we're casinos offended by the card counters.
Yeah, this is one of my most disliked videos... funny.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship thats a really good ratio keep it up brotha cause this is some tasty content
were* your English teacher must be proud
@@pineapplesmoovey7898You forgot capital letter and punctuation.
But they could spell.
🤔 I'm always asked to stay longer at the casino... maybe, it's my losing ways?
@Throngdorr Mighty Naturally.
Free debt.
😂😂😂
I know one guy at my local casino that always gets a free meal there because he loses 3000 on a weekly basis but he doesn't care because he's happy he gets a free meal out of it
@@funnygamertwat8879 Tell him to just give you the money instead as you will appreciate it more, and get him all kinds of free meals lol.
The only time a pit boss talks to me is when he’s giving me free drinks
Casino: *Makes a fortune exploiting people's bad luck*
People: *use skill instead of luck*
Casino: *Nope, can't do that*
At the end of the day its not like a casino is built to uphold morals.
It isn’t even luck. Casinos are designed to take more money than they give out. Every single game there puts the player at an objective disadvantage. The only way to overcome it is with skill, and doing so might put you at an objective advantage, where you on average make more money than you lose. Casinos hate that since they lose money, so they kick you out.
@@josephsherby well, casinos are indeed designed to make a profit, but luck is still a factor. If noone ever won, noone would be playing at the casino. Sure, you are unlikely to win long term, but short term anyone can get lucky.
More like, makes a fortune exploiting people's bad *skills*. You either understand stats, dont, or dont care about your money. No "bad luck" involved.
It’s not even bad luck it’s all rigged especially since everything is electronic now
I LOVE the part where you said to take getting kicked out as validation. Literally making the best of the situation. :)
Well learn.🙂
I got backed off and I dont even count cards... yet. I started with 300 and won over 5k. They used the you've had too much too drink.
Tre Jermaine Wow, you’re lucky.
Go home Tre you're drunk
Huh. One of the times I was backed off was after the worst day I ever had in a casino when I lost 2900 dollars in one day. They did it because of the way I was playing, not because of the actual outcome I got. So I guess the management in that casino you got backed off in, was just incompetent.
When We Get Backedoff , Does they give money back which we have win ?
@@honeybhai6226 some answer this question!
Sometimes I feel like going to Vegas for the weekend...then I start up my old PlayStation, load fallout new Vegas, blow through 2,000 caps in an hour, and shoot the place up. Urge satisfied.
senortigre04 accurate af.
Uhhhh everyone just forget the las vegas massacre that fast ?
@@thegodofyoutube266 it's a game cupcake get your panties out of a wad
@@thegodofyoutube266 that's was a set up duuuhhh the government trying to take our GuNz
@@xxdogsouljaxx lmao
I only play the vending machine, I'm still under. That bag of doritos on b7 always get stuck.
amazing.
You gotta stop splitting the Twix's at the wrong time too bro
Good thing for this guy is he is a really good counter so he can guarantee big wins fast. Some casinos are not as hot as others. Some won't even know what your doing till they are made aware you have doubled up. By this time you have done your job. Would be brilliant to fill a table with counters and make it obvious so one gets caught. Then the caught counter distracts the spotter for 30 mins while the others rape the table.
😂😂😂
Genius!
I did five years in Attica for raping a table...but it had it coming.
😂😂😂😂😂
Michael Corey that table probably liked it anyway
I would silently regard it as a compliment, many casinos are trying everything to get people in or to come back, and walkout, maybe returning a couple months later.
"They don't want winners"
Of coarse that is true,with one caveat..I imagine that the ideal situation for them would be a small amount of very visible,very vocal and strategically located winners..
Winners aren't all that vocal when they win (because they are used to it).
Losers on the other hand...
plus they dont want to get robbed.
Ask a friend or co-worker how the weekend trip to LV was and there are 2 standard answers:
1) Won big! (they will pad the amount or round upwards)
2) "...well, I guess, all-in-all I'd say I broke even"....translation: "I lost my ass but don't really wanna talk about it"
As a casino dealer, if you keep your wins low, and don't get greedy, you can win $800+ and easily not get suspected of counting. Only the ones winning 10's of thousands do they bring a card counting team person by and alert surveillance.
Rarely have I seen the card counting team involved, so unless you're up $2,000+, you have nothing to worry about
Jewelz EDM The casino in my area only has electric blackjack and I didn’t count the card. I’m a fast math learner so I didn’t need to count cards in the screen. I bet only a little. If I just only bet a little $$ but then you win more $$, am I fine here? Less is always more like people said.
typical casino dealer who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about
4:40 For an even more passive route, just say something along the lines of "Ok that's fine, come with me to cash out then I'll be on my way."
I used to work at an Indian casino in the restaurant as a cook. And through a series of events I ended up meeting a couple of Natives from a bigger casino and they taught me the most common and basic card counting technique. And since I knew all the dealers at my little casino, they were perfectly okay with knowing that I was counting cards. I flat out told them that I learned how and they thought it was cool how I could win so much consistently and make max bets out of nowhere and hit blackjack. It's definitely an advantage playing at a small casino where people know and like you.
I'll take "things that never happened" for 200 alex.
Hi colin I've been playing blackjack for over 20 years counting playing low to mid stakes solo. I have to compliment you on your videos. There is so much poor info out there on blackjack and counting. You say it as it is with accurate information. Great yo see. Well done
bro you are a super nice guy, and you have a great view on how the situation of being backed off should be handled. Great advice for fellow players mate. It's not often you find content creators on here in superhero status, that arent full of themselves and cocky as hell about their skills. thanks for this.
It bewilders me how anyone can imagine it would be illegal or immoral. It's like telling a chess player that he must decide his next move by throwing a pair of dice and that he's not allowed to plan his next move, or that he's not allowed to know what his opponent's move was in the previous move. It also amazes me how consistently bad casinos are at figuring me out. I'd have me figured out on day 1. Like, if I was in the security booth and someone like me played, the first time the count gets high and he raises his bet, I'd be mostly sure from that, but I would be even more certain if they did it a 2nd time. And yet I don't even know how many times I've been at the same casino and bet more than the minimum only when the count is high, and only taken insurance when the count is high, and yet it takes an astonishingly long amount of time for them to get a clue. I'd have anyone else figured out pretty quickly too if they were doing it at the table with me since they'd be betting bigger whenever I am, and it surprises me that they never do, consistently when they vary their bets, it is not in response to the count at all. That must be why blackjack is still a thing. If people weren't consistently complete morons, it as a casino game would have been gone from casinos by the end of 1961.
In Louisiana, as of August 1, 2018, casinos can only ask or make you leave for illegal or disruptive behavior. The law was actually written by a card counter State Representative. Before then, casinos could, as you say, tell you to leave for any reason. No longer. My understanding is that in New Jersey, they can’t stop card counters, either. What is your experience in those states?
But then, isn’t that also a bad thing that they cannot stop card counters? Because now, they can just make the game unbeatable by making blackjack pay 6 to 5, deep penetration, continuous shuffling, etc.
I haven't played LA since the law change. But it's probably like NJ, where they just shuffle on you if they know you're a card counter and you raise your bet.
That's not a good thing. It mean's they're likely going to add decks to the shoe, use CSMs, change from 3:2 to 6:5 among other things. Even if the State Rep was an AP that doesn't matter.
@@SirJoelsuf1 They can only go so far before they start hurting their own bottom line though. With Blackjack already taking a backseat to baccarat, any drastic changes could hurt them. We used to have CSMs and 6 to 5 everywhere here. Now you won't find one table. Hard Rock just opened the new casino under the guitar. Maybe 25 new tables.. $10 (on a Sat night) min, hand shuffle 8D. That was unheard of 2 years ago. No S17 or 6D though, which would be perfect.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship True, the law does not require any particular set of rules for BlackJack as to shuffling or deck penetration. Free market competition will keep some of that in check.
$600,000 over 15 years = $40k per year. Nothing like the $30k PER WEEKEND stuff they show in the movies.
I made the $600k in 2 years, working about 20 hours/week. Since then, I focused on running teams (averaging 6-figures) and running Blackjack Apprenticeship (I make 6-figures doing BJA).
Never happened
EV is generated over hands played per hour. Including variance, with a high enough spread, $30k is entirely doable in a single session, let alone a weekend.
@@jamsstaylor2348 What would that prove though? Maybe he gave it away to charity. Or invested it in his retirement like an intelligent person would. Maybe he burned it in a campfire with Moregangster. Still not sure how his results prove or disprove the math he is teaching. Maybe you can clear that up for me?
@@jamsstaylor2348 Yea but Colin has credibility with Blackjack Hall of Famers. He could be blind in a wheelchair and it wouldn't change anything. This is the beautiful thing about science. It can be validated by your opposition. Card counting science is not up for debate. Whether someone is successful or not while doing it, has absolutely nothing to do with the credibility of that science. Your results may vary. I can explain it in detail if you're being sincere. If you have questions or concerns, ask. That's what we're here for.
You sir are humble as hell and I appriciate that.
I love when you said '' now let's just move on to the next casino''
I agree 100% , not worth it to argue ... I use to be a great card counter but now days I feel like if you don’t have a team, it’s not worth your time .
many of our BJA pros would disagree with you
The pitboss had eyes on me one time, i felt watch as he was talking watching me cause i switch tables few times. I just left before they spot me and cameback a other night when it wasn't the same pitboss
Thank you for this video. I got heat for 2nd time ever and first time in 20 years. Got backed off and immediately trespassed at mount airh in Pennsylvania. Instead of causing a scene which I really wanted to do, I just calmly cashed out and walked out(followed by security). Ok I did mutter under my breath to few people walking in that "they wont let you play here if you actually know how to play"...but not enough for security to say anything further to me.
Do you play a lot? How do you stay under the radar if I may ask
@@hxllside ive pretty much quit blackjack. play 1/2 or 1/3 NLH now.
Solid advice my man. Keep up the good work.
I went to a blackjack table and on my first hand I won 10 bucks! Then I was promptly removed and severely beaten for 3 hours straight. Casino night at my church is no joke.
next time they will use the vice grips!
I never got told to leave, but I did get my dealer switched. He dealt fast and was unpleasant. I wasn't having fun anymore so I moved on.
I experienced this recently. The table I was at was cracking up about how the dealer was helping us win (we were joking obviously) and immediately got switched out. The next guy, Chris, was not a cool dude.
Dealers switch like every 30 Minutes
Actually us dealers switch every 1 hr. Not because the casino wants to switch the dealer is because is our entitled breaks. And if I'm late for my break that means the next dealer will be late for theirs and so forth. To be fair we use a continuous shuffling machine so card counting doesn't work. Sometimes you get nothing and all of a sudden twenty ten's come in a row. I'll say about one in 20 guests actually win money but they don't win much. Maybe win $300 when then start with $100 on a $10 table.
Best trick is stay safe on a hot streak once things change up leave the table and find another one.
I was at Caesars in Atlantic City recently and my buddy went on a run at 5 AM and started winning back all the money he had lost throughout the night. They switched the dealer like four or five times in an hour lmao.
@@michaelpryor78 5am... could that just be they are sending people home as other games close down?
if casinos had a continuously shuffling deck then card counting could not even work ... If card counting makes casinos loose money then they would mostly impliment a continuous shuffler.
Then the odds wouldn't be in the casinos advantage that's why they can't shuffle continuously 😎
@@gta5onlinefunnymomentscrew597 the odds are in the houses favor because we draw last and draw till we make a hand or bust. Shuffling changes nothing for the house doofus, it changes it for the counter though...back to the usual odds.
Its all a part of the sport.
I left card counting because of the negative casino atmosphere. I played alone, not on a team. No teams back then.
How many casino's have you been backed off from in your 15 years?
Ru Ma at the end he said nearly 100 times
that's a horror movie ending waiting to happen I feel. like eventually, he might end up in a basement
Not if you’re just card counting
@@Arctic37 I know I just think of the movie walking tall with the rock. The razor scene was burned into my head
@@messyjesse1173 That will never happen because casinos are a legal business and getting tangled up in illegal actions is absolutely the last thing you want for a mutli-billion dollar legal business.
Bad PR and criminal lawsuits can cripple a corporation. They dont care about losing a few hundred grand or even millions from a few card counters. They make WAY more money from the legal business of everyone else paying into the casino to care about a few million dollars. And once you know who is a card counter, you just keep their name and picture in a database, and dont let them back in if they try to show up to the casino again. No need for illegal action at all, and they dont have bad PR and are still making billions.
I learned how to count single deck and hit the Cortez in Vegas. I heard they were very strict but no one seemed to care about me spreading 1-6 and only betting a nickel for the rest of the deck when Aces came out early. Maybe I got lucky, they seemed much more interested in the players spreading the same with black chips.
Isn’t there a way to avoid it, say you have a goal amount to win, you win it quickly then the overage you start to purposefully loose and win periodically put loose it more than win?
Seems to me that that could avoid a confrontation. Then you just get up with your winnings having hit your goal already
the real gamble is trying to avoid confrontation
if you purposely lose then you aren't really getting any winnings. If you win big to begin with then suspicion is raised immediately and your every move monitored. If you start a pattern like that then you will be seen as a card counter. They know the tricks and don't accept any of them.
Isn't there a way to avoid confusing "lose" and "loose" ?
@@tc1817 Noope
Aaron Starke
Most pros don't have goals as in amounts to win, it's more of put in the hours if possible.
Pros don't lose on purpose, the edge is usually to small to do this.
If you win by counting, then you try to look stupid or play bad, they will review the vid of you playing when you won.
My first time counting cards was this week in Vegas was at the El Cortez.... Within 30 minutes I was backed off by the pitboss. I was only up about $400 and was doing $5-50 spreads, nothing too crazy. Told me I could play any game in the casino I wanted but no more blackjack. I guess I was doing it at least sort of right ;-D Double deck though, so it wasn't extremely hard.
Luckily for me, the pit bosses absolutely love to see me buying checks.
This is a really good video and very good advice. I'm a sports bettor and when an online book restricts me I take that as validation. It's my goal to bet restricted but ALL OF THEM. Different way of thinking about it, but when I reach my goal I will be a very wealthy man.
I play Spanish 21 a couple times a month. Usually with $200. Watching the table and paying attention is rather easy and I know when to increase my bet. I'll even say out loud,"the big ones are coming". Lol! It works probably %75 of the time. The only time a boss watched me is when I was fluctuating my bet while playing solo. I will be going tomorrow,hope to come out on top .
Doug styles so how did it go?
@@pokemongamemasterHD They caught him, took him to the back room and killed him.
Doug styles
Well, my guess is you don't know the basics of Spanish 21.
If you are winning 75% of the time, get reading for some losing.
Learn how to play, or else!👍
You’re doing a great job brother. Get those thieves’ money as much as you can.
So, someone providing entertainment is a "thief". So maybe then someone who owns a cinema is a thief? Got it
@@37rainman The "entertainment" at casinos is that hopefully they win lots of money, only to end up with disappointment. If that doesn't sound like thievery or at least trickery more than an innocent cinema, then I don't know what does.
Man you got to step it up scream that they are discriminating against you it's 2019
MLG_ freddy_56 he’s white, male, and possibly straight. He doesn’t exactly get a rank in the “victim card” status lol
@@doidoi8544 but thay don't know if he is gay
@@doidoi8544 and he could tell them that he is trans or something
This is why black card counters are the most successful
Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
Got to give it to you, I love doing back off!
Colin, I just returned from a trip to Vegas and experienced my very first backoff. It happened in under an hour of play, and I was playing for relatively low stakes (I was only up $400 when it happened; my bankroll is fairly small). Just wondering if a backoff occurring this quickly is normal. Thanks in advance for any feedback!
Landon Hicks , they were on to you and made you leave before it turned into a large sum.
$400 to $600
$600 to $900
$900 to $1,350
Etc.
The more you have, the quicker you can get a large sum.
Landon Hicks
We played Vegas for years, advantage play! We never ever counted, this is the fastest way to get barred, photo, and ID.
Had a friend waiting for me once in Vegas, he was playing 2 deck, spreading 10-25$, we played at a different table betting &1000 per hand, (dealer flashing hole card)we got comped, he got barred. Ate at Michaels that night. Lol
John Mek sure ya did
Let's go to Vegas and make some money bro.
@@johnmek4244 Pure BS, sir.
6:05 What "other forms of advantage play" are there? Thanks!
As they say “It is immoral to let a Sucker keep their money.” And in this case the Sucker is the Casino :)
Are you able to cashout your chips when they trespass you or do you have to leave/will you be escorted off the premises immediately?
What is "book your action"?
It means “won’t take your bets”
@Félix Sánchez What is the 3rd case?
@@boohcrew8311 oh ok thanks for clearing that confusion up for me it sounded a lot more serious than that sounds like they are gonna take you to the back and beat you for cheating or something like in the movie Casino like during the old Vegas days lol
Card counting is an art and a science. Of course you must know how to count. And here’s the hard part. You must be able to get away with it.
A good pit boss will notify surveillance. Why ? Because your winning. That’s why. And then surveillance will see that you are moving your bets when the count is in your favor. And then. That’s it. Your gone. And they do share information with other casinos. It’s tough. I’d say. If your humble and content with short money. Say a hundred. Maybe two a day. Maybe. Hey. It beats working for the man. 😮
I heard "I don't want to book your action sir" lots of times
Colin
Before blackjack. What kind of work did you do too be able too afford blackjack ?
Tier 4: Go see Nunzio in the backroom with his ball-peen hammer and power tools.
Are online blackjack tables a good idea? I would think it is because you could have a picture of basic strategy right next to you and count cards without a pit boss next to you but maybe I’m over looking something
Algorithms cannot reproduce the randomness of physical cards and can be manipulated by the hosting web site or app
The House always wins.
Yup.
Interesting video. Was asked to leave a casino last nite!
Do you recommend disguises?
Yes.. rainbow shirts with lipstick and boy hair. They're not gonna risk ending up on Rachel Madcow show
It's up to you, but I'm not big on elaborate disguises.
@@raven7389 Hell if you dress in drag and they back you off, you can sue the casino for being "transphobic" and make even MORE money off them lol
Disguises are fun as heck
Just got backed off from my first casino last night! Went to Vegas and took 500 to play with. Started betting $50 units when I had the advantage bc why not! It was my fun money ahaha I ended up taking back $2100 for a profit of 1600 after 3 hours. The pit boss came over to back me off right as I was going to make a $450 bet! I had a glorious true 9! Man I was sad I didn’t have the chance to play that hand but feel super cool for having them kick me out. I did pretty well for my first time! Not perfect yet but I’m almost there. Gonna keep training until I’m comfortable rolling in with my $5000 bankroll. Thanks Colin!
So, you went to "card count" and took only $500, and you intended to bet $450 at some point?
Possibly. But EXTREMELY improbable on several levels
So I am smelling a BS story here. A REALLY smelly one, btw
No card counter goes to a casino intending to bet that kind of a range with $500 in his pocket.
@@37rainman i was practicing and had broken even over 3 days. i hadnt bet more than 50 bucks the whole time i’d been there. i said fuck it on the last day since i’d expected to lose everything anyways and i ended up being on the right side of the cards. it wasnt til i had won over $1000 that i was about to place a bet for 450 and was backed off
I've been approached by the "21 movie" group to join their team, but never followed through. Wonder how that experience would be, have a video?
I've heard from similar casino videos that they don't have to cash out your chips. I always thought it sounded insane and I had a hard time imagining it being legal, glad to at least hear a claim to the opposite effect.
Depends on the casino. If they can find reason to ban you and you come in later when you think they won't catch you (lol) and they do then your winnings are gone.
0:45 that depends on the country, here in Holland the casino can't
0:45....They think they can do whatever they want to do. We can't. There's laws. Try to drive 200 mph down a street and see what happens.....get me? Them red and blues will show up...understand.
Colin, what was your minimum bet amount and your bet spread when you were making big money? What was your EV at your highest minimum wager?
A smart card counter would following itinerary to limit his time at the table and Casino... or you'll be come too recognizable to the eye in the sky... you want to avoid being back off by the casino!
In Atlantic City, it is illegal to refuse service to card counters if they do nothing other than count (which is why AC has such high deck numbers in shoes on most tables). I forget how the code is worded, but essentially it is a protected legal ability of playing without cheating.
I wish I made enough money in my card counting sessions to be backed off. lol.
You're doing it right.
From my opinion based upon my interpretation of federal laws...Civil rights laws have little weight on private properties. However, federal consumer protection laws were specifically designed to regulate private businesses & entities. Deceptive & unfair practices are probably the key topics & points here relating to how casinos treat their patrons/consumers. Players must understand that casinos are private businesses which cater to the general public. Also, when casinos offer the game of blackjack to the general public then they are most likely offering a game of chance to the general public knowing full well that the game of chance they are offering to the general public has card counting vulnerabilities. I feel that it is important to note that casinos do not have special protections or immunities from federal consumer protections laws. For example, is it unfair & deceptive for a casino patron to have the trespass act applied by the casinos when the only thing the patron was doing was gambling or attempting to gamble at a gambling establishment? Furthermore, is it a deceptive and unfair act by the casino to flat bet one casino patron and not another without informing the general public through the use of signs either at the table or any place else on the casino floor about a casino policy that is in place. While the casinos have every right to make & set policies on how to regulate their games they also have the obligation to inform the general public about their policies. The key question here is weather any of their policies violate provisions of the "Federal Trade Commission Act" such as deceptive or unfair practices statutes. If any of the policies conflict with provisions of the "Federal Trade Commission Act" then that is where the legal questions start to arise in my opinion. Basically, it all comes down to weather a casino is using deceptive or unfair practices to try & attempt to fleece money from the general public? What do you all think?
Card Counting = Paying Attention
This is more true then I can say, hurts my soul man, hurts my soul
Can you imagine if it was "illegal" to think about your next move in a game of chess? Boy that would make for some lame chess competitions wouldn't it.
What do you recommend we do when they ask for an ID? Should we comply? What if they're forceful about it/threaten us by saying they'll call the police if we don't?
Don't, tell them to shove it
don’t bring ID lol
Tell them to fuck off and call police if they want to. You are doing nothing illegal.
is there any rough back offs that get physical like the old days?
No
Yea, refuse to leave after they've trespassed you and then start resisting durning the detainment
So if I want to learn to better card count, what are some tips to learn?
I have to ask what the purpose of "running teams" is... Especially if you're already knocking back 300K annually. Somehow I find it more heroic to "rip off" casinos than attempting to mentor and then presumably collect a fee from the plebs. One of those sorta situations you have to wonder about...
For the low low price of 20$ I'll teach you how to make millions in flipping houses, baking cakes, buying/selling gold, etc.
Why on Earth isn't the teacher doing what they're teaching? Make millions doing xyz? Or, make 20$ of schmucks. Odd.
I think Counting cards benefit from multiple people working together as it requires a large amount of scouting aka playing the game for an extended period of time betting the minimum. I imagine it is far less obvious when the scout is not also the winner? Also, any number of people (who can sit at a single table) can benefit from the scouting and then they can all share the costs. It might also take quite a while, as basically you are looking for a non-ramdom deck, I am not sure how common that is.
Jonathon Wisnoski why though? 300K isn’t enough? lol. More people just means more mouths to feed. I feel like if the “system” worked, they wouldn’t need to farm it out. I play blackjack all the time, I fluctuate my bet all the time. No one ever takes notice or kicks me out. I feel like all this is very exaggerated.
@@Msigw #math
I have a very skeptical attitude towards things like this as well.
but then try to logically pinpoint a solution for reason.
some very plausible reasons someone would teach this would be:
1. no longer wants to travel all the time for work.
2. is tired of the grind
3. before having his face all over TH-cam, his face was all over casinos and simply had this gaming sessions cut too short too often. this more travel.
4. etc .
I recall reading in a Blackjack teaching book that about 95% of gamblers who go to Casinos have no gambling skills---the gambling establishments would surely want to keep it that way!Blackjack (or "21") is statistically the best edge any gambler gets in general at any Casino game according to the experts.Using your hard earned knowledge and skill scares them which makes no sense.Pit bosses are there to protect the "House Revenue" and even ban you from a Casino for being good at Blackjack.You want all their money,while they want all of your cash.Expect them to be vigilant.
When I played poker at Southern California card houses thirty-plus years ago, I witnessed an occasional floor man walking up behind a player and running his thumb up the player's back. The player would finish playing his hand, collect his checks, stand up, and go cash in. It seemed to me that, back when gamblers were gentlemen, that this was the best way to handle a back-off situation. Is the old-fashioned "brush off" still practiced, or has this gone the was of the gentleman gambler?
Probably the latter. Everyone has a chip on their shoulder these days.. No pun intended.
@@Big_Sierra Sir, i have been backed off many times over the last 17 years, the last of them just 3 days ago. Every one of them was totally respectful. They even appear to regret doing it
If you behave well to other players, if you tip a little, if you behave like a gentleman you will be treated like a gentleman.
The main one is, dont ever have words with another player about what he hits or doesnt hit. Its none of your business, and every rational counter knows that another player "playing badly" has zero effect upon ones bottom line over the long term.
Just got my 1st back off Colin! It took 300 hours at the same casino, 45 trips, and $3000 but they got me. I am validated yet devastated because I loved that casino and there aren’t many good ones near Kentucky. I learned mostly all of what I know from you, your app, and gambling with an Edge. I would love a video going into depth about how to try and prevent back offs, and how someone with around a $5000 bank roll could afford to Travel to US without too much cost things like hotel rooms. I would love a response and I would love to know your email address so I can message you there, thanks Collin!
Hi guys, hope you had a good xmas, have you played Baccarat at all? Apparently that's a game which can be beat with card counting.
joseph sawyer I do not think it is practical, though, because the system is too complicated (much harder than adding or subtracting 1 as you would in blackjack) and I heard that when the odds are in the player’s favor, the player is expected to win only 70 cents for every $1000 he bets. There is a page on Wizard of Odds about it.
I had a great Christmas. There are some countable side bets in bac, but not worth your time.
Once I've won enough for a meal, I dine in the casino. I'll openly discuss the count at the table, and that I just want to win enough to pay for dinner. I've never had a problem. I think perhaps people don't believe I'm counting cards if I'm actually saying it.
I use a system based loosely on Silberstang, where you actually vary the strategy depending on the count. This can really help to mask your knowledge, for example if you double down on an 8 when the count is crazy high, and everyone grins because they think you know nothing about basic strategy.
Casino : heads I win, tails you loose"
Once I got backed off at the Mirage. I was betting small and was only up about $400. I knew they thought I was counting. But I was not going to return to Vegas for more than a year plus I did all the things a card counter should not do. I stayed at the same table too long and played perfect basic strategy and only increased my bets by one unit at each true count of 1 and up and then back to 1 unit. The pit boss told me as he escorted me out to go home and read the chapter on camouflage. He was right I made all the classic mistakes to being asked to leave.
don't worry about avoiding backoffs. some of us card counters actually have the goal of getting backed off!
@@blackjackapprenticeshipgus6559 i don't get it. Is this just a very temporary gig then? If you get backed of you have to go to another place and ultimately you either break that rule and they probably easily get you again or you have to go to another casino.
problem with that is you don't have to many choices because most places don't have to many. So what you then have to fly around the whole country jumping from one casino to another?
If this only applies to blackjack, wouldn't it just make the most sense for casinos to just eliminate blackjack?
It's kind of a catch-22. Players love the fact that blackjack CAN be beat, so it makes casinos money by offering the game.
They make far more money on losers than they lose from counters.
Even as a 20 year old and playing blackjack waiting for my friend to end his show at the showroom off the casino, and the meeting a dude who had a cable gambling show, now remember, this is the late 70's mostly around 80-82 I could never understand how they could ask a friend or two of mine to leave just because we were winning. Shit, he had a way that made winning easier and the basic strategy and deviations he taught ME- well, I sometimes would just flirt, talk to the dudes, and wait for that moment he'd signal " play now" and my 5 and 10 dollar bets would all of a sudden jump to 20 - 100 bets and pray for those double downs and my 20 bet would end up being a 130 dollar bet in 3 card spots. It was exciting watching the pit bosses come down by me and talk stupid shit. Then one time I was doing so well and some of that was pure luck and the next day back in N. Jersey I was at the mall buying a new outfit and/or tv and my friend was buying some Pierre Cardin cologne and it was fun. And exciting. And I never understand why they would treat us like we went I the and put a 9mlm. In their faces when all we were doing was thinking. Still the same I see but it sure is more electronically impressive.
I have never seen it done. Once they were on my wife for drinking AFTER she lost money and quit playing. Lol
Really? Don't they sell alcohol there?
@@raven7389 The alcohol is free, so people keep getting drunk and making mistakes. But if someone already lost their money they don't see the reason to keep giving free drinks to that person. Pretty scummy...
There were on your wife and you watched? Niiiiiice
Once playing at a Lake Tahoe casino the young woman dealer told me I was counting. She reached under the table, looked like she pushed a panic button. A pit boss came over and watched us play two decks. It was one deck game. I made a few deliberate bad plays. She announced I needed to work on my ratios. She said she played in Vegas six months a year as a counter. The pit boss left. I resumed correct play, bet some tips for her, won. She dealt to the bottom of the deck. I got ahead of the money and halted play.
Enough grains of salt for an entire bag of chips
I am an advantage player at arcade games. I went to Bowleros in the Phoenix AZ area and every location locked my game when I started winning too jackpots. And then one location was crazy enough to resort to calling the police over my jackpot winnings. Even arcades back people off. Dave and Busters is more reputable and don't back off APs, they accept them.
Idk why I watched this entire video
I don’t even know how to play blackjack
For the trespass one you can say some things before you go
Is betspread the only thing that gets people backed off?
Typically, but that's how you make the money!
@@Blackjackapprenticeship ive almost completely exhausted my resources, Just need deviations.
For the most part, yes. I got backed off while playing a system called the "Fletcher Method" (it's a type of Martingale). I was already known as a winning NLHE player, and I was up some $300. Bet size variations and no Basic Strategy mistakes (I had also doubled (A8) v. a 6 in the door) are major red flags. The play of recreational players is pretty horrid, so good play tends to stand out.
Hi Colin, in your beginning experience, did you get backed off from playing perfect basic strategy and then deviating or high bets? Both? I saw the deviation chart and thought splitting 10s after perfect basic strategy is a red flag
Splitting tens will get everyone...dealers, pit bosses, supervisors, every other players attention. Only 2 reasons to split tens, you're a moron or your up to no good.
They will take you in the back room happened to me in AC in 1980 usual conversation is You can play any other game except blackjack. I tried playing dumb you cant count a 6 deck game.Didnt work.
*gets kicked out
Comes back with mustache 🥸
A long time ago I got backed off. At that time I didnt know what I was doing though, I was just having a bit of luck.
if i'm a dealer, don't i get put in a position where i'm choosing whether to profit myself or profit the casino? like, if i suspect you're a card counter but i feel like the thinner the shoe gets, the fatter my tip might be (because your winnings will increase) do i not then ride the edge of plausible deniability and let you play a little longer?
i'm not a gambler, i just ended up here on youtube, so forgive me if the question is naive.
Love how the number of views on this equals 21 ^.^
When the trespass act happens to you, are you able to cash out ?