Many have missed what I said at 1:30-1:35.... The first swing counts because I made a "Stroke" at the ball by definition. Therefore the ball is now In Play. There is no penalty for re-teeing the ball when it is In Play and lies in the Teeing Area. I'm now hitting TWO!! 👍
ah-ha, yes that's exactly what I was about to pop into the comments to ask!! LOL I am glad I did not create any more shame by asking... However, I think it's correct that if I address the ball and accidentally knock the ball off the tee with my club, then that's not counted as a stroke, however, what if I do that and I knock the ball out of the teeing area?? I think this is still "no penalty" because the ball is not "in play" until a player makes a swing "intending to hit the ball off the tee". Interestingly taking a swing and missing the ball completely counts as a stroke and that immediately puts the ball "in play" so after that, if you knock the ball off the tee by accident then it IS a penalty and presumably if you do NOT replace the ball on the tee (given that the ball is now "in play"), then its s 2 stroke penalty like it would be out on the rest of the course??!
Good shit bro....I've re teed hitting 3 as have many of the ppl I've played with over the yrs. I've done exactly what you did off the initial shot attempt countless times and teed it back up hitting 3...1 stroke penalty...more times than not I had too much swing lube involved thus my 15.4 index. Side question....what if you're teeing off and your ball hits an object....tree, ballwash...etc... comes back and rests on the tee box. Same rule still in effect?
@@JohnVDenley It sounds like you are almost there. If you swing and miss completely, you've made a "stroke" and it counts. The ball is in play and still within the Teeing Area. Since the Rule already allows you to move the ball anywhere within the Teeing Area (even if it's "in play"), there is no penalty for further accidental movement. Furthermore, if you played the ball from it's new location after the accidental movement within the Teeing Area, no penalty for Wrong Place because the Wrong Place would be anyplace outside of the Teeing Area. Hope that helps? Nice scenario 👍
@@riptorn8399 I'm very familiar with the too much swing lube issue hahaha. Same rule still applies. It doesn't' matter if the ball leaves the Teeing Area and then re-enters. As long as the ball is "in play" and at rest within the Teeing Area, tee it up and hitting 2! I appreciate the comment 👊
In 35 years of playing golf this has never happened once for me. I have had a couple of playing partners do this before but we were unaware of this rule. Good to know if it does happen in the future.
It's my understanding that this is a fairly new rule. In the past if you teed it up again you lost 2 strokes, one for moving a ball in play and one for hitting the ball from the wrong spot.
I did that once on the first tee during a tournament when there were more than a dozen people watching. I did not know I could tee it up again, thanks for the info on that rule. I did go on to bogey the hole so the damage was minimized.
@@Vod-Kaknockers In my country, leaving a shot short of the ladies tees means that you have to pay for a round of drinks at the 19th. I like our version better :-)
Danfromfreddybeach it’s not the ladies tee it’s the forward tee, we don’t discriminate between genders these days even though it’s the fucking ladies tee all day long!!! 😂
This happened to me once during a tournament, while walking back to my bag I tripped and snapped my ACL. I haven't played since and that was over 4 years ago, knowing this rule back then my life would probably be a lot different.
What? Never seen it done? Well I did it two months ago. Lol. Swung the driver, the ball went straight up, hit the ground and actually spun backwards behind me. So I teed it up again and ended up with a bogey. Cheers
It doesn't necessarily have to be struck and travel backwards. They can whiff and knock the ball off the tee with the air pocket created from the whiff. The ball can hit a tree and land back in the teeing area. I've seen these happen a handful of times.
I've never seen that shot, but what I have seen is that a ball hit an obstacle and returned back to the teeing area and sometimes beyond, more than once.
Did a few golf lessons back in highschool and my friend managed to miss a swing, just to hit the ball perfectly well on the way back in his swing. So confusing to see. I swear he must have had a lefty club to hit a golfball perfectly in reverse like that as a righty.
Now that we are aware of this rule, we might think about teeing the ball up about 1 yard behind the tee line. That way, if you nick the ball, it might still stay in the “tee box” and you can re-tee.
Just clarifying; it depends on what you mean by “nick the ball”. The definition of a “stroke” says: “A stroke has not been made if the player… Accidentally strikes the ball when making a practice swing or while preparing to make a stroke.” So, if you’ve addressed the ball and nicked it during a waggle, but you haven’t actually made a stroke at the ball; well, you might get some ribbing from your “friends”, but you can re-tee and swing away without penalty.
Let’s be honest, if you’re “nicking” your ball and going two feet often enough that you’d change where you are teeing off, taking advantage of this rule is going to make almost no difference to your bottom line 🤪
I've been playing for 59 years, including in several State and one National tournament, and I never knew you could re-tee the ball as long as it stayed within your original teeing area. But then again, in all those rounds of golf, I can't recall ever seeing a ball stay within the original teeing area. But it was still a cool video.
This answers a question that I have wondered about for a while: When playing foursomes (alternate shot) if your partner plays an air shot on the tee are you allowed to re-tee the ball to your preferred height before you play your shot? It would seem the answer is 'YES'. We sometimes discuss the possibility that where you have a low handicap player partnered with a high handicap player there might be circumstances (a long carry off the tee for example) where the best strategy would be for the high handicap golfer to play a deliberate air shot to allow the low handicap player to then play the tee shot.
Great video but unfortunately your statement at 1:57 of the video is misleading. You say that “if you fail to get out of the teeing area,”. Some might think the option to re-tee only applies if your ball never left the teeing ground boundary (as demonstrated in the video, great shot btw). But in fact, it does not matter. You might tee off, hit a tree, ricochet backwards and come to rest in your teeing ground. You may still re-tee anywhere in your teeing ground without penalty. I submitted this same scenario to the USGA a few weeks ago and they confirmed the option to re-tee without penalty, anytime your ball comes to rest within the boundary of your teeing ground. Thanks for the video. I have subscribed and look forward to seeing more.
So I can pick up the ball and place it anywhere in the teeing area? Nice! I’ll be doing this when my approach shot to the green hails to the tee box ahead or the sides
Have been playing for 40+ years and can’t say that I remember this ever happening to anyone in my group but of it does, rest assured I’ll be teeing it up. Thanks!
Just curious to ask: Early in the morning used to have a layer of mildew over the grass in the T box, Fairways, and on the putting green,.Do I get a penalty stroke or a General penalty when I lay my club to form a line (not the club) over the mildew for direction purposes?
The first shot of the day is always the worst, for me. I usually only play one round of golf a year so my first shot is generally an adventure. I have skied a ball 10 feet into air and it landed back in the teeing area, I have hit the teeing area maker and I have even hit the little metal cup where you put your broken tees. The only safe spot to be when I am about to take a swing is well behind me.
Wow… I am a huge fan of weird golf things. I completely forgot that this was a thing. At the beginning of your video you said that “ you probably didn’t know about”. I quickly ran through all the things I knew in my mind… You got me, I totally forgot this one! Now it makes me think about all the things that I might not know because I don’t remember them! Great video! 😂
Golf is for fun. I tee up anywhere anytime more than 200 yards away from the hole. In Michigan it extends the season by 40 days. Past November 1st before April 1st. Super tee anywhere lol. I am not going to make the PGA. I am still a 36HCP er.
Golf should be fun. My group (all around 70 and older) we have our own "special" rules that all agree to. Makes the day a lot more fun. When it is no longer fun to go out and play I will stop playing.
If I understood correctly rule's 6.2a last paragraph, I guess this only applies to the current hole you are playing, right? You cannot tee your ball if you end in your teeing area from a previous or following hole, correct?
What about when you shank it straight right, it clanks off the cart, scattering the people there, but now rests outside of, but parallel to, the teeing area? I guess I'm screwed... "general area".... can't say I've EVER hit a tee shot and had it remain in the teeing area... I HAVE hit some doozies though... I once purposely laid up to the forward (red) teeing area - "general area" - because I was afraid of a roughly 240 carry over water to a Par-3... hardest hole I've ever played... college golf tournament... Day 1 hit a driver (me = short hitter, early 90s) 250 yds on a rope to 8 feet above the hole on a severely back-to-front sloped green. 4-putted from there for a double. Day 2, got scared of the water, laid up to the red tees, giving me about 160 over water. Chunked next 2 balls into the water before hitting green and 2-putting for a quintuple....
Here's a rule inquiry. It is related to teeing off but not actually the subject of your video. Hitting the ball off a tee last year, the ball started to fall forward off the tee on my down swing. I went through the with the shot, caught it near the bottom edge of the driver face, but overall hit a pretty satisfactory drive. Could I be pinged for hitting a moving ball? It was moving. On the other hand the ball is not in play until I complete that first swing.
Hey Garethb, no issue with hitting a moving ball here. Under 9.1, if the ball at rest begins moving after the player has begun the stroke or the backswing for a stroke and the player goes on to make the stroke, the ball must not be replaced no matter what caused it to move and instead, the player must play the ball from where it comes to rest after the stroke. Nice shot! Way to focus⛳️
So, the ball can be put back on a tee only if its within the "teeing area" on the tee box? Its a great "break" if you're within the "teeing area"......but not if you're outside.....
The group I play with have always re-teed the ball up and hit again. The only difference is after been laughed at by the other people in the group, we consider that penalty enough, and we're still hitting ONE.
This happened to a competitor of mine in a high school tournament. He was so nervous on the first tee with everyone watching, he swung and barely touched the top of the ball, causing it to just fall off the tee. He then pulled out 3 wood and chunked it five yards. Too bad he didn’t know this rule. Not sure it would have helped his nerves…but… Anyway, kinda makes for a good reason to tee it as far back in the box as possible!
Poor guy haha. So tough to come back mentally after a tee shot like that. If you are prone to a top like that, there is benefit to teeing back a little further in the teeing area lol!
Okay, I honestly was not aware of the teeing area rule concerning miss-hits. But what if the ball after being struck leaves the teeing area, comes in contact with something outside the teeing are and ricochets back into the teeing area and comes to rest there? (yes, this happened)
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 that's some mad skills there @Jay Roberts, I can't hit that shot even if I tried. My tops always go forward. And as a matter of fact, I did hit one yesterday, off the rough and on an uneven lie, and still got about 30 yards. You got a like from me buddy. Good vid.
I am a bit confused. When this happens and if you re-tee...are you still hitting your first shot...as if nothing really happened? Or, are you hitting your second shot and simply using a tee as per allowed by rules??
Hey Mike, this is addressed at 1:30. I made a "stroke" by definition so the first swing counts. The ball is now in play and I'm hitting my second shot. There is no penalty to re-tee the ball but I'm still hitting two 👍
Years ago, in a 4 man scramble. A friend of mine topped a tee shot that hit the tee markers for the next set of tees 10 yards in front of us. None of us had any idea where the ball went. About 5 seconds later it landed about 10 feet behind him.
@@JayRobertsGolf I haven't played golf on over 40 years, never knew the rule but you earned a thumbs up just for that demonstration hit...... & on only three tries Very impressive, thanks!
Yes. There are only two criteria. The ball is in play and lies within your teeing area. You could hit a tee box, a tree, a rock but when the dust settles, if it meets those two criteria then yes.
That is one rule I really didn’t know…and I've seen it happen. Would this also include a player taking a swing and a complete miss? I would think it would, how do you determine if it was intentional ( if the embarrassed player says it was a practice swing ).
Yes it would! If a player makes a stroke at the ball and misses it, the ball is in play but they can still re-tee anywhere in the Teeing Area and they'd be playing their 2nd shot. While it's not included in the definition of "stroke", if they have addressed the ball before beginning their stroke, I think it's safe to say there was intent there unless they stop the swing before reaching the ball, or if unable to stop, deliberately miss the ball.
Whether accidental or deliberate, that is impressive lol. Yes, ball in or on a movable obstruction 15.2a(2). Determine the spot on the ground directly under where the ball is at rest. Lift the ball, move the cart, and drop the ball within one club-length of the spot on the ground no nearer the hole
I own a video of a buddy of mine hitting not one, but two tee shots that went straight up and straight down right back at his feet. Who knew there was a favorable ruling for him in that instance.
I have seen this a couple of times. One occasion the ball was struck firmly but off the top edge the driver, mixed with a really strong headwind and the ball actually came to rest a club length behind the the original tee spot.
Never knew about that one. I’ve always found it surprising that Tour pros never seem to take advantage of the “2 club length rule” on par 3’s. They just hit from the tee markers. Those guys are in between clubs all the time. If the yardage from the markers puts you in between say a 7 and an 8 iron, instead of trying to hit a hard 8 iron, just move back until you reach your 7 iron yardage and swing normally.
@@JayRobertsGolf By way can you use your driver to move around on the teeing ground? Most shafts are about 45 inches today right, add maybe another 3 inches for the head and you could potentially move back 96 inches, which is 8 feet or roughly 2.5 yards. I guess after doing the calculations, it doesn’t matter all that much. If you’re 170 yards away and end up pin high or 2.5 yards long or short, rarely will that make a difference.
Seeing how there's about 10-15 yards of variation between 7 and 8 iron distances, I'm not sure moving the ball back two club lengths is going to make much of a difference.
@@phidip2328 Yeah after made my initial comment I actually did the calculations and came up with a difference of probably only 2-3 yards difference. I’d say the only player on Tour who would attempt to be that precise would be Bryson, but even he doesn’t move back from the markers, to my knowledge.
Lol glad u figured it out. It’s like 2 yards. I however always try to find the flattest part of the tee box. I’m amazed still at the reactions I get when guys r like “why are u hitting from farther away?!” I’m like it’s flat and 1 yard farther. I have a better chance at purer contact when it’s a better lie. Unfortunately most public courses tee boxes suck
If the player makes a "Stroke" by definition (forward moving of the club made to strike the ball--aka there was intent to hit the ball--aka a serious stroke), then the swing counts and the ball is in play. The same rule would apply if the ball lies in the Teeing Area and the player could re-tee the ball without penalty and they'd be hitting two!
This actually happened to me, 1973 in a regional high school golf tournament. I caught the very last dimple on my golf swing and the ball barely fell off the tee. I was horrified, my coach actually turned his back and walked away (equally embarrassed). I had no idea what to do so just grabbed my 3-W smoked it and got out of there as fast as possible humiliated. I ended up making par 5 on the hole.
Had this happen to us in a match this week where the ball embedded, 1 questioned whether they were allowed to re-tee but the other 3 didn’t know so we assumed not. Live and learn
So you can tee up again and it’s still counted as your first shot? (without penalty) or as in without penalty but it’s your second shot? If that makes any sense!
@@JayRobertsGolfand it’s that strange circumstance that you are pointing out. A few rare occasions where you make a stroke and fail to progress the ball outside of the teeing area. Seeing as most golfers position the ball to the front area of the teeing area, it means hitting a shot only about 6 inches, eg almost a freshly.
AND greenkeepers should locate tee markers at least 2 club lengths from the rear of the Tee. Had many cases where tee markers are positioned too far back so the 2 club length rule becomes impossible to implement. The rules should be clearer on this
That's a good point that is overlooked by staff sometimes. While it's not in the Rules, it is citied in the Committee Procedures that the Committee "should always attempt to position the tee-markers far enough forward so that players can use the entire two club-legnths permitted"
Yeah this is a big problem with local courses. They just jam the tee in a corner as a way of “maintaining” the tee box (i.e. so people arent hitting from the same spot all the time)…or in a some idiotic attempt to make the hole more “challenging” they just stick it somewhere that you are basically aimed directly into trees. People dont realize the amount of thought that goes into a setting up a course…local course just drop the markers in the ground and go on with their lives (I’m sure theres a little more thought than that, but they clearly care more about the course maintenance than the playability).
I complain about this often. Especially when the area at the back of tee box is beat to crud and you cannot find a good stance. Or when there are overhanging trees on one side of the back of the tee box. Grrrr…
Does this apply to all tees ? Example: your buddy tees off and hits his ball up to the Ladies tee (within the T-box dimension), not past. We all know he needs to do the walk-up with pecker out (for not hitting past the Ladies T), but can he place and T his ball for his second shot ?
As Tony says the same teeing area, but it better to think that there is only one teeing area per hole which is the ones you are using yellows, whites, red etc. all the other “teeing areas” become general areas of play in relation to your teeing zone.
You're right. I didn't know that rule. BUT, I've never had that happen either. I mean, I've shot some REALLY bad drives in my time (some today) but never in my life has my ball ended in the teeing area :D
Hey Javier- In stroke play, if someone plays a ball in front of the teeing area, you have a responsibility to inform them that they did to protect the field. They would get 2 strokes and must correct their mistake by playing another ball from within the teeing area. They would be hitting 3. In Match Play, you can choose to ignore it (no penalty to them) OR, you can cancel their shot and have them play another ball within the teeing area. They would still be hitting 1
Funnily enough, my playing partner and I discussed this Sunday as he nearly teed off the winter mat. He said I’d saved him a penalty shot. I thought it might be more than this or was it like matchplay he would have had to re tee but no penalty. He said he had been told it was one shot by a low handicapper on a previous occasion. Checked up the rule following our discussions
Not that I’ve duffed one that stayed inside the tee area, but I sure as heck didn’t know if you did duplicate your shot, that you can tee it back up with no penalty.
Always know the rules that can really help you, I knew this one. The one hole i had this i played 2 balls cause my flight members did not know the rule, I made Par with my original ball, and double with my extra, so that was a nice bonus to be correct when asking the referee afterwards.
No. There is only one Teeing Area which is the place where you start the hole that you are playing. All other tee boxes on the hole you're playing, as well as all tee boxes on other holes are treated as the General Area. Play it as it lies.
What about the whiff (inside the teeing area)? Or, if I tee off one club length from forward teeing area, just barely hit the top of the ball, thus staying inside the teeing area? No penalty? Reteed apparently. Cool.
If the ball was in the Teeing Area and you swing and miss, the swing would count because a "stroke" by definition has been made. The ball is in play and can be re-teed anywhere inside the Teeing Area if you wanted to. If you teed the ball in front of the tee markers (outside the Teeing Area) and you topped it backwards like I did into the Teeing Area, you would get a 2 stroke penalty in stroke play for playing from outside the teeing area. You must then correct your mistake by playing a ball from within the Teeing Area and hitting 3. No penalty for playing from outside the Teeing Area but your Opponent would have the choice to cancel that stroke and make you play again from within the Teeing Area. They would be wise to not cancel and have you play on if you topped it backwards lol
I made a "stroke" by definition at the ball with the first swing so that counts as 1. No penalty to re-tee. I'm now hitting 2. As an interesting point, it doesn't matter if the ball remains in the Teeing Area or leaves and returns to the Teeing Area (example: leaves Teeing Area, hits tree, and comes to rest back in the Teeing Area). All that matters is that the ball is in play in the Teeing Area. When that happens, it can be re-teed without penalty.
Yes. If you made a "Stroke" by definition (forward movement of the club made to strike the ball), the ball would be in play and still within the Teeing Area. You may re-tee anywhere in the Teeing Area to hit your second shot
What happens if you duff a ball of the tee and end up at the forward tees in front of you? Can you tee it there? What about an errant shot landing on another hole’s teebox? Can you tee it there?
I knew of this rule, problem is 99 percent of golfers that are bad enough to top a ball will have the ball teed up right at the front of the box. Chances r that ball will go fwd at least enough to be in front of the markers because it’s teed up right on the front line. I’ve explained this rule to guys in my league but unfortunately they’ve were a foot or two in front. 3 wood Stroke 2 coming!
Many have missed what I said at 1:30-1:35.... The first swing counts because I made a "Stroke" at the ball by definition. Therefore the ball is now In Play. There is no penalty for re-teeing the ball when it is In Play and lies in the Teeing Area. I'm now hitting TWO!! 👍
ah-ha, yes that's exactly what I was about to pop into the comments to ask!! LOL
I am glad I did not create any more shame by asking...
However, I think it's correct that if I address the ball and accidentally knock the ball off the tee with my club, then that's not counted as a stroke, however, what if I do that and I knock the ball out of the teeing area?? I think this is still "no penalty" because the ball is not "in play" until a player makes a swing "intending to hit the ball off the tee". Interestingly taking a swing and missing the ball completely counts as a stroke and that immediately puts the ball "in play" so after that, if you knock the ball off the tee by accident then it IS a penalty and presumably if you do NOT replace the ball on the tee (given that the ball is now "in play"), then its s 2 stroke penalty like it would be out on the rest of the course??!
Good shit bro....I've re teed hitting 3 as have many of the ppl I've played with over the yrs. I've done exactly what you did off the initial shot attempt countless times and teed it back up hitting 3...1 stroke penalty...more times than not I had too much swing lube involved thus my 15.4 index.
Side question....what if you're teeing off and your ball hits an object....tree, ballwash...etc... comes back and rests on the tee box. Same rule still in effect?
Yeah cause you intentionally misrepresented it.
@@JohnVDenley It sounds like you are almost there. If you swing and miss completely, you've made a "stroke" and it counts. The ball is in play and still within the Teeing Area. Since the Rule already allows you to move the ball anywhere within the Teeing Area (even if it's "in play"), there is no penalty for further accidental movement. Furthermore, if you played the ball from it's new location after the accidental movement within the Teeing Area, no penalty for Wrong Place because the Wrong Place would be anyplace outside of the Teeing Area. Hope that helps? Nice scenario 👍
@@riptorn8399 I'm very familiar with the too much swing lube issue hahaha.
Same rule still applies. It doesn't' matter if the ball leaves the Teeing Area and then re-enters. As long as the ball is "in play" and at rest within the Teeing Area, tee it up and hitting 2! I appreciate the comment 👊
The fact that you were able to hit that shot on command is absolutely amazing
you mean after how many takes..
or they did multiple takes?
Yes, very impressive.
I will forever remember Rule 6.2B(6)!
Thanks Jay!
Jay, you were SO right when you said we probably don’t know this rule. Keep up the great and informative videos.
Well thankfully it doesn't come up that often lol. But thanks for the comment, JH G!!
In 35 years of playing golf this has never happened once for me. I have had a couple of playing partners do this before but we were unaware of this rule. Good to know if it does happen in the future.
I chase rabbit 🐇 with 30 guys at least once a month we see it 😆 always someone trying to kill it and first tee nerves
can also happen when hitting a tree and ball comes back to the teeing area.
I thought I was the only one to ever make this shot. I left the range immediately and re-evaluated my participation in the game of Golf.
Been playing golf a long time and do a decent job of knowing all or most of the rules, but this one I was not aware of, so kudos to you on that one!
Well thank you, I appreciate the comment! I've got a few quirky rules up the sleeve I'm working on so stay tuned to test your knowledge! 😁
It's my understanding that this is a fairly new rule. In the past if you teed it up again you lost 2 strokes, one for moving a ball in play and one for hitting the ball from the wrong spot.
Rules change a lot so it's best to keep up with rules carry a new rule book every year or two
I did that once on the first tee during a tournament when there were more than a dozen people watching. I did not know I could tee it up again, thanks for the info on that rule. I did go on to bogey the hole so the damage was minimized.
Way to grind it out. It's awfully tough to refocus after a shot like that. I'd take that bogey and move on all day long
I did at a scramble and knew this rule existed however, I had to hit my next shot with my pants down around my ankles. Ya know, di*k out hole. 😳
@@Vod-Kaknockers In my country, leaving a shot short of the ladies tees means that you have to pay for a round of drinks at the 19th. I like our version better :-)
@@danfromfreddybeach Me too! 👍
Danfromfreddybeach it’s not the ladies tee it’s the forward tee, we don’t discriminate between genders these days even though it’s the fucking ladies tee all day long!!! 😂
This happened to me once during a tournament, while walking back to my bag I tripped and snapped my ACL. I haven't played since and that was over 4 years ago, knowing this rule back then my life would probably be a lot different.
WOW!!! I'm sorry to hear that. Wish I had gotten this video out before then 🙁 Are you able to get back into the game?
ACL surgery and recovery is a b*tch. But 100% worth it. I've done it twice on the same knee. Back playing golf (and skiing now).
Interesting, however I've never seen this happen in my 50 years of golf. Incredible skill to intentionally hit a teed up ball backwards.
What? Never seen it done? Well I did it two months ago. Lol. Swung the driver, the ball went straight up, hit the ground and actually spun backwards behind me. So I teed it up again and ended up with a bogey. Cheers
It doesn't necessarily have to be struck and travel backwards. They can whiff and knock the ball off the tee with the air pocket created from the whiff. The ball can hit a tree and land back in the teeing area. I've seen these happen a handful of times.
@@Mackie17 Same here mate, as I have done the same thing plenty of times. Cheers
I've never seen that shot, but what I have seen is that a ball hit an obstacle and returned back to the teeing area and sometimes beyond, more than once.
Did a few golf lessons back in highschool and my friend managed to miss a swing, just to hit the ball perfectly well on the way back in his swing. So confusing to see. I swear he must have had a lefty club to hit a golfball perfectly in reverse like that as a righty.
The most incredible thing about the video ...is the shot !!!! how do you do that...on purpose..(with the driver !?)..Nice One!!!
Could be an edit.
Now that we are aware of this rule, we might think about teeing the ball up about 1 yard behind the tee line. That way, if you nick the ball, it might still stay in the “tee box” and you can re-tee.
LOL
Just clarifying; it depends on what you mean by “nick the ball”.
The definition of a “stroke” says: “A stroke has not been made if the player… Accidentally strikes the ball when making a practice swing or while preparing to make a stroke.”
So, if you’ve addressed the ball and nicked it during a waggle, but you haven’t actually made a stroke at the ball; well, you might get some ribbing from your “friends”, but you can re-tee and swing away without penalty.
@@ra1der5 He means "nick" the ball while making a stroke. Nicking it just enough to roll it a few inches or feet.
@@Randsurfer Yes. It was just a clarification as some people believe nicking the ball with a waggle counts as a stroke.
Let’s be honest, if you’re “nicking” your ball and going two feet often enough that you’d change where you are teeing off, taking advantage of this rule is going to make almost no difference to your bottom line 🤪
TY! Well explained! I have seen "Play it where it lies" called, ( on a Par 3 course). Really good to know for a Par 5/Tournament setting!!
By the way, love your backward drive there - now that's skill! I've done it off flat fairway with a hybrid - no trees or external agents involved.
Love it! haha
Does the teeing area also include the bedroom from the shanked drive through the broken window off the house to the right?
That topped shot was awesome!
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HAHA! Thank you!
same thought here 😂🙌🏼
I've been playing for 59 years, including in several State and one National tournament, and I never knew you could re-tee the ball as long as it stayed within your original teeing area. But then again, in all those rounds of golf, I can't recall ever seeing a ball stay within the original teeing area. But it was still a cool video.
This answers a question that I have wondered about for a while:
When playing foursomes (alternate shot) if your partner plays an air shot on the tee are you allowed to re-tee the ball to your preferred height before you play your shot? It would seem the answer is 'YES'.
We sometimes discuss the possibility that where you have a low handicap player partnered with a high handicap player there might be circumstances (a long carry off the tee for example) where the best strategy would be for the high handicap golfer to play a deliberate air shot to allow the low handicap player to then play the tee shot.
I've heard about the 2 club length square and use to my advantage when I need a little more angle to the fairway.
Great video but unfortunately your statement at 1:57 of the video is misleading. You say that “if you fail to get out of the teeing area,”. Some might think the option to re-tee only applies if your ball never left the teeing ground boundary (as demonstrated in the video, great shot btw). But in fact, it does not matter. You might tee off, hit a tree, ricochet backwards and come to rest in your teeing ground. You may still re-tee anywhere in your teeing ground without penalty. I submitted this same scenario to the USGA a few weeks ago and they confirmed the option to re-tee without penalty, anytime your ball comes to rest within the boundary of your teeing ground. Thanks for the video. I have subscribed and look forward to seeing more.
So I can pick up the ball and place it anywhere in the teeing area? Nice! I’ll be doing this when my approach shot to the green hails to the tee box ahead or the sides
Did you mention whether this applies only in the tee box of the hole you're currently playing?
Yes. At 0:49 👍
I've been playing golf for 55 years and did not know this rule ; thank you.
Have been playing for 40+ years and can’t say that I remember this ever happening to anyone in my group but of it does, rest assured I’ll be teeing it up. Thanks!
LOL. Thanks for the comment c5back9
Just curious to ask: Early in the morning used to have a layer of mildew over the grass in the T box, Fairways, and on the putting green,.Do I get a penalty stroke or a General penalty when I lay my club to form a line (not the club) over the mildew for direction purposes?
Yes. General penalty. Cannot make a mark or place an object to help alignment.
This is huge. I'm going to save myself about 10 shots a game now
You must drop your drawers a lot on the course.
@@steeloned no I wear a bellt
@@joshmetz9192 Braces won't help I have too much tartar
Maybe try not to hit it so hard 😉
The first shot of the day is always the worst, for me. I usually only play one round of golf a year so my first shot is generally an adventure. I have skied a ball 10 feet into air and it landed back in the teeing area, I have hit the teeing area maker and I have even hit the little metal cup where you put your broken tees. The only safe spot to be when I am about to take a swing is well behind me.
Wow… I am a huge fan of weird golf things. I completely forgot that this was a thing. At the beginning of your video you said that “ you probably didn’t know about”. I quickly ran through all the things I knew in my mind… You got me, I totally forgot this one! Now it makes me think about all the things that I might not know because I don’t remember them! Great video! 😂
Thanks. I didn't know this. Please mention the exact rule in description for quotation purpose
Thank you. Description has been updated. 👍
Thanks - I was unaware of this rule allowing re-teeing and playing from anywhere within the teeing area.
Hope you never need to use it!
Golf is for fun. I tee up anywhere anytime more than 200 yards away from the hole. In Michigan it extends the season by 40 days. Past November 1st before April 1st. Super tee anywhere lol. I am not going to make the PGA. I am still a 36HCP er.
Golf should be fun. My group (all around 70 and older) we have our own "special" rules that all agree to. Makes the day a lot more fun. When it is no longer fun to go out and play I will stop playing.
If I understood correctly rule's 6.2a last paragraph, I guess this only applies to the current hole you are playing, right? You cannot tee your ball if you end in your teeing area from a previous or following hole, correct?
Correct. There is only one teeing area!
What about when you shank it straight right, it clanks off the cart, scattering the people there, but now rests outside of, but parallel to, the teeing area? I guess I'm screwed... "general area".... can't say I've EVER hit a tee shot and had it remain in the teeing area... I HAVE hit some doozies though... I once purposely laid up to the forward (red) teeing area - "general area" - because I was afraid of a roughly 240 carry over water to a Par-3... hardest hole I've ever played... college golf tournament... Day 1 hit a driver (me = short hitter, early 90s) 250 yds on a rope to 8 feet above the hole on a severely back-to-front sloped green. 4-putted from there for a double. Day 2, got scared of the water, laid up to the red tees, giving me about 160 over water. Chunked next 2 balls into the water before hitting green and 2-putting for a quintuple....
good stuff. I just want to know how many takes to top that ball like that?
3 takes! 😎⛳️
Here's a rule inquiry. It is related to teeing off but not actually the subject of your video. Hitting the ball off a tee last year, the ball started to fall forward off the tee on my down swing. I went through the with the shot, caught it near the bottom edge of the driver face, but overall hit a pretty satisfactory drive.
Could I be pinged for hitting a moving ball? It was moving. On the other hand the ball is not in play until I complete that first swing.
Hey Garethb, no issue with hitting a moving ball here. Under 9.1, if the ball at rest begins moving after the player has begun the stroke or the backswing for a stroke and the player goes on to make the stroke, the ball must not be replaced no matter what caused it to move and instead, the player must play the ball from where it comes to rest after the stroke. Nice shot! Way to focus⛳️
So, the ball can be put back on a tee only if its within the "teeing area" on the tee box? Its a great "break" if you're within the "teeing area"......but not if you're outside.....
The group I play with have always re-teed the ball up and hit again. The only difference is after been laughed at by the other people in the group, we consider that penalty enough, and we're still hitting ONE.
But what is the rule, when I play from the mens tee to the ladies tee box, am I allowed to tee it up again? thank your for your answer
He covers that in the video. There is only one designated teeing area. For your purposes, the Ladies tee area doesn't exist.
Very interesting! Thank you. 6.2 is new to me. Maybe I should read the rules...
Glad you found it helpful! There are some interesting gems to be found by reading the rules!
Great club control!! This happened to my partner once, we did not know this.
What if for example, I'm playing from the black tips and I end up landing in the front tee's box. Could I then tee it up again?
No. There is only one Teeing Area. All other tee boxes are part of the General Area 👍🏼
This happened to a competitor of mine in a high school tournament. He was so nervous on the first tee with everyone watching, he swung and barely touched the top of the ball, causing it to just fall off the tee. He then pulled out 3 wood and chunked it five yards. Too bad he didn’t know this rule. Not sure it would have helped his nerves…but…
Anyway, kinda makes for a good reason to tee it as far back in the box as possible!
Poor guy haha. So tough to come back mentally after a tee shot like that. If you are prone to a top like that, there is benefit to teeing back a little further in the teeing area lol!
Okay, I honestly was not aware of the teeing area rule concerning miss-hits. But what if the ball after being struck leaves the teeing area, comes in contact with something outside the teeing are and ricochets back into the teeing area and comes to rest there? (yes, this happened)
Do you still get to re-tee if your ball lands on the ladies tee?
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 that's some mad skills there @Jay Roberts, I can't hit that shot even if I tried. My tops always go forward. And as a matter of fact, I did hit one yesterday, off the rough and on an uneven lie, and still got about 30 yards. You got a like from me buddy. Good vid.
Hey thanks Yosef! Appreciate you! Keep the tops moving forward!
Interesting. So you can tee the ball up first time around, if any part of the ball is inline with the outside of the marker?
Does this only apply to the hole you are currently playing? Ie., A sprayed shot away from the green that lands in the teeing area?
Only the hole you are playing. Watch it again!!
Yes, Rowan is right. There is only one Teeing Area. All other tee boxes are part of the General Area
I am a bit confused. When this happens and if you re-tee...are you still hitting your first shot...as if nothing really happened? Or, are you hitting your second shot and simply using a tee as per allowed by rules??
Hey Mike, this is addressed at 1:30. I made a "stroke" by definition so the first swing counts. The ball is now in play and I'm hitting my second shot. There is no penalty to re-tee the ball but I'm still hitting two 👍
@@JayRobertsGolf That is what I thought you meant. I appreciate your reply. Have a great day!
@@mikenimmick3920 No worries! Thanks, Mike 👊
Years ago, in a 4 man scramble. A friend of mine topped a tee shot that hit the tee markers for the next set of tees 10 yards in front of us. None of us had any idea where the ball went. About 5 seconds later it landed about 10 feet behind him.
LOL. That is epic
So how many attempts did it take to pull off that topped shot? 😂. Really interesting rule though, thanks for this info.
I kid you not, it only took 3 takes. And I was quite excited as you can see by my reaction LOL.
@@JayRobertsGolf I haven't played golf on over 40 years, never knew the rule but you earned a thumbs up just for that demonstration hit...... & on only three tries Very impressive, thanks!
@@rherman9085 haha, thanks R Herman! Appreciate the comment ⛳️
@@JayRobertsGolf That's not that tough, I do that once a month. Actually that was very cool to do on cue like that.
@@chuckprice4541 LOL
Is the initial diff shot still counted as a stroke when marking the card?
Yes, a "stroke" was made by definition so it counts. No penalty to re-tee so hitting two
So does that apply always, like if you hit INTO a tee box?
Yes. There are only two criteria. The ball is in play and lies within your teeing area. You could hit a tee box, a tree, a rock but when the dust settles, if it meets those two criteria then yes.
If you re-tee the ball is it your 1st or 3rd shot?
That is one rule I really didn’t know…and I've seen it happen. Would this also include a player taking a swing and a complete miss? I would think it would, how do you determine if it was intentional ( if the embarrassed player says it was a practice swing ).
Yes it would! If a player makes a stroke at the ball and misses it, the ball is in play but they can still re-tee anywhere in the Teeing Area and they'd be playing their 2nd shot. While it's not included in the definition of "stroke", if they have addressed the ball before beginning their stroke, I think it's safe to say there was intent there unless they stop the swing before reaching the ball, or if unable to stop, deliberately miss the ball.
Is there a rule for hitting a ball into the basket of a golf cart near the teeing area.. twice in a row?
Whether accidental or deliberate, that is impressive lol. Yes, ball in or on a movable obstruction 15.2a(2). Determine the spot on the ground directly under where the ball is at rest. Lift the ball, move the cart, and drop the ball within one club-length of the spot on the ground no nearer the hole
You learn something every day. just thumbed that up.
Thanks East Coast UK! Appreciate that. Always learning every day
I own a video of a buddy of mine hitting not one, but two tee shots that went straight up and straight down right back at his feet. Who knew there was a favorable ruling for him in that instance.
I have seen this a couple of times. One occasion the ball was struck firmly but off the top edge the driver, mixed with a really strong headwind and the ball actually came to rest a club length behind the the original tee spot.
Hitting that shot that went backward on cue was masterful
That's was an amazing physical example!! Tough to do!!
Haha thanks Pdubs!
And so when you retee the ball, what stroke are you playing? I am thinking you are playing your second stroke. But your video didn't mention it.
Explained 1:30 - 1:35 👍
Never knew about that one.
I’ve always found it surprising that Tour pros never seem to take advantage of the “2 club length rule” on par 3’s. They just hit from the tee markers. Those guys are in between clubs all the time. If the yardage from the markers puts you in between say a 7 and an 8 iron, instead of trying to hit a hard 8 iron, just move back until you reach your 7 iron yardage and swing normally.
There's definitely room to set up to a more desired yardage!
@@JayRobertsGolf By way can you use your driver to move around on the teeing ground? Most shafts are about 45 inches today right, add maybe another 3 inches for the head and you could potentially move back 96 inches, which is 8 feet or roughly 2.5 yards. I guess after doing the calculations, it doesn’t matter all that much. If you’re 170 yards away and end up pin high or 2.5 yards long or short, rarely will that make a difference.
Seeing how there's about 10-15 yards of variation between 7 and 8 iron distances, I'm not sure moving the ball back two club lengths is going to make much of a difference.
@@phidip2328 Yeah after made my initial comment I actually did the calculations and came up with a difference of probably only 2-3 yards difference. I’d say the only player on Tour who would attempt to be that precise would be Bryson, but even he doesn’t move back from the markers, to my knowledge.
Lol glad u figured it out. It’s like 2 yards. I however always try to find the flattest part of the tee box. I’m amazed still at the reactions I get when guys r like “why are u hitting from farther away?!” I’m like it’s flat and 1 yard farther. I have a better chance at purer contact when it’s a better lie. Unfortunately most public courses tee boxes suck
You might have answered this but.....If you take a serious stroke at the ball and miss but the wind knocks it off the tee does the same rule apply?
If the player makes a "Stroke" by definition (forward moving of the club made to strike the ball--aka there was intent to hit the ball--aka a serious stroke), then the swing counts and the ball is in play. The same rule would apply if the ball lies in the Teeing Area and the player could re-tee the ball without penalty and they'd be hitting two!
@@JayRobertsGolf Thanks Jay. That is good to know.
This actually happened to me, 1973 in a regional high school golf tournament. I caught the very last dimple on my golf swing and the ball barely fell off the tee. I was horrified, my coach actually turned his back and walked away (equally embarrassed). I had no idea what to do so just grabbed my 3-W smoked it and got out of there as fast as possible humiliated. I ended up making par 5 on the hole.
Had this happen to us in a match this week where the ball embedded, 1 questioned whether they were allowed to re-tee but the other 3 didn’t know so we assumed not. Live and learn
So you can tee up again and it’s still counted as your first shot? (without penalty) or as in without penalty but it’s your second shot? If that makes any sense!
The first swing counts because I made a "stroke" by definition. I can re-tee without penalty. Hitting 2!
@@JayRobertsGolf ah ok, thank you sir!
@@JayRobertsGolfand it’s that strange circumstance that you are pointing out. A few rare occasions where you make a stroke and fail to progress the ball outside of the teeing area. Seeing as most golfers position the ball to the front area of the teeing area, it means hitting a shot only about 6 inches, eg almost a freshly.
How often do you hit the ball and it goes nowhere tho
Thanks for sharing. Will come in handy.
Thanks for the comment, Mitch!
If knowing this rule will come in handy for you, you shouldn’t be playing golf. You’re just in everyone’s way
AND greenkeepers should locate tee markers at least 2 club lengths from the rear of the Tee. Had many cases where tee markers are positioned too far back so the 2 club length rule becomes impossible to implement. The rules should be clearer on this
That's a good point that is overlooked by staff sometimes. While it's not in the Rules, it is citied in the Committee Procedures that the Committee "should always attempt to position the tee-markers far enough forward so that players can use the entire two club-legnths permitted"
Yeah this is a big problem with local courses. They just jam the tee in a corner as a way of “maintaining” the tee box (i.e. so people arent hitting from the same spot all the time)…or in a some idiotic attempt to make the hole more “challenging” they just stick it somewhere that you are basically aimed directly into trees. People dont realize the amount of thought that goes into a setting up a course…local course just drop the markers in the ground and go on with their lives (I’m sure theres a little more thought than that, but they clearly care more about the course maintenance than the playability).
I complain about this often. Especially when the area at the back of tee box is beat to crud and you cannot find a good stance. Or when there are overhanging trees on one side of the back of the tee box. Grrrr…
More than that, there must be space for a player to swing properly with a ball placed 2 club lengths behind the marker line.
Does this apply to all tees ? Example: your buddy tees off and hits his ball up to the Ladies tee (within the T-box dimension), not past. We all know he needs to do the walk-up with pecker out (for not hitting past the Ladies T), but can he place and T his ball for his second shot ?
Watch the video again. He explained it. No it has to land in the same same teeing area that you teed off in
As Tony says the same teeing area, but it better to think that there is only one teeing area per hole which is the ones you are using yellows, whites, red etc. all the other “teeing areas” become general areas of play in relation to your teeing zone.
How many takes to hit that trick shot?
Great info , I did not know that . Thanks
Thanks for the comment, Bill ⛳️👊🏽
Am going to start aiming at other tee boxes!
does it cost a stroke?
if i short hit it and end up on the ladys tee box can i tee it up again?
You're right. I didn't know that rule.
BUT, I've never had that happen either. I mean, I've shot some REALLY bad drives in my time (some today) but never in my life has my ball ended in the teeing area :D
Same. I’ve witnessed it only one time but it’s quite hysterical to see 😁
I did actually know that rule. I've had to apply it once myself 😳
thnx that’s good to know (for my golf mates 😂)
wow. I never knew this. Thanks for posting. Good to know.
No problem! Glad it helped! Thanks for the comment
Nice... kinda cool you covered this. Thanks... Good work/content... 👍
What if someone tees off from say 4 inches in front of the tee markers? Can you call him/her on it? Is it a stroke or just a re-tee?
Hey Javier- In stroke play, if someone plays a ball in front of the teeing area, you have a responsibility to inform them that they did to protect the field. They would get 2 strokes and must correct their mistake by playing another ball from within the teeing area. They would be hitting 3. In Match Play, you can choose to ignore it (no penalty to them) OR, you can cancel their shot and have them play another ball within the teeing area. They would still be hitting 1
Funnily enough, my playing partner and I discussed this Sunday as he nearly teed off the winter mat. He said I’d saved him a penalty shot. I thought it might be more than this or was it like matchplay he would have had to re tee but no penalty. He said he had been told it was one shot by a low handicapper on a previous occasion.
Checked up the rule following our discussions
Not that I’ve duffed one that stayed inside the tee area, but I sure as heck didn’t know if you did duplicate your shot, that you can tee it back up with no penalty.
If the ball is hit from the back tees and lands in another box with the front red tees, can it still be teed up?
No, it has to be your original Tee. He explained that in video also..
Thank you
Always know the rules that can really help you, I knew this one. The one hole i had this i played 2 balls cause my flight members did not know the rule, I made Par with my original ball, and double with my extra, so that was a nice bonus to be correct when asking the referee afterwards.
What if I land in an adjacent tee area next to my green. Can I tee it up and chip onto my green?
No. There is only one Teeing Area which is the place where you start the hole that you are playing. All other tee boxes on the hole you're playing, as well as all tee boxes on other holes are treated as the General Area. Play it as it lies.
What about the whiff (inside the teeing area)? Or, if I tee off one club length from forward teeing area, just barely hit the top of the ball, thus staying inside the teeing area? No penalty? Reteed apparently. Cool.
If the ball was in the Teeing Area and you swing and miss, the swing would count because a "stroke" by definition has been made. The ball is in play and can be re-teed anywhere inside the Teeing Area if you wanted to.
If you teed the ball in front of the tee markers (outside the Teeing Area) and you topped it backwards like I did into the Teeing Area, you would get a 2 stroke penalty in stroke play for playing from outside the teeing area. You must then correct your mistake by playing a ball from within the Teeing Area and hitting 3. No penalty for playing from outside the Teeing Area but your Opponent would have the choice to cancel that stroke and make you play again from within the Teeing Area. They would be wise to not cancel and have you play on if you topped it backwards lol
Thanks. I had no idea.
You're right, I did not know that. Thanks.
Lol. Hopefully you won't ever need to use this rule but you have it in your back pocket! thanks for the comment!
nice to know, and I would have tee'd it up again anyway, but now at least I can say . . 'actually, in 6.2 .......'
so if it didn't leave the tee box and you can re tee it are you hitting 2 or still one
I made a "stroke" by definition at the ball with the first swing so that counts as 1. No penalty to re-tee. I'm now hitting 2.
As an interesting point, it doesn't matter if the ball remains in the Teeing Area or leaves and returns to the Teeing Area (example: leaves Teeing Area, hits tree, and comes to rest back in the Teeing Area). All that matters is that the ball is in play in the Teeing Area. When that happens, it can be re-teed without penalty.
Does that include air shots?
Yes. If you made a "Stroke" by definition (forward movement of the club made to strike the ball), the ball would be in play and still within the Teeing Area. You may re-tee anywhere in the Teeing Area to hit your second shot
can I pick up the ball re-tee it after an air swing?
Absolutely! If your intent was to hit the ball and miss it completely, you can re-tee it anywhere within the teeing area. But hitting 2!
What if you end on a teeing area of another hole, or the ladies tee of the same?
I address this at 0:48 play it as it lies
The option of hitting your 'second shot' versus teeing the ball up without a stroke penalty seems very odd. Why would USGA / R&A allow this oversight?
Wow. I didn’t know this. You were right.
It's a little known fun rule. Hope you never have to use it 😉
So this doesnt apply if you hit into another holes tee box right? Because thatd be insane!!
Correct. There is only one Teeing Area. All other tee boxes are part of the General Area
What happens if you duff a ball of the tee and end up at the forward tees in front of you? Can you tee it there? What about an errant shot landing on another hole’s teebox? Can you tee it there?
No for both. There is only one Teeing Area. All other tee boxes are part of the General Area. Play it as it lies
I did not know that! Thanks !
I knew of this rule, problem is 99 percent of golfers that are bad enough to top a ball will have the ball teed up right at the front of the box. Chances r that ball will go fwd at least enough to be in front of the markers because it’s teed up right on the front line. I’ve explained this rule to guys in my league but unfortunately they’ve were a foot or two in front. 3 wood Stroke 2 coming!
Very true! If you are prone to topping it like this, teeing back a few feet could really save you! lol
I did not know that. Thank you.
Of course! Thanks for the comment!