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- Predator 224 gets a NIBBI carburetor
Installed a 24MM NIBBI carburetor on the Predator 224 powered Coleman CT200U mini bike. Did some speed runs to see if the carburetor swap
improved performance of the bike.
Coleman CT200U Performance playlist - • Predator 224 gets bill...
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Parts used -
24MM NIBBI carburetor - www.amazon.com...
Intake manifold - www.ebay.com/i...
Exhaust header - www.gopowerspo...
Air filter - www.ebay.com/i...
1.2 ratio rockers - www.ebay.com/i...
ARC billet rod - www.arcracing....
60 tooth rear sprocket - www.ebay.com/i...
NR racing chrome Moly pushrods - www.nrracing.c...
Clear valve cover - www.bmikarts.c...
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Love the videos and you are very knowledgeable
Thank you!
His complete patient portrayal is the greatest informative and entertaining on TH-cam.
Lmao
would love to see what a PVL/CDI ignition system would do for the power of this thing with these kind of mods! love the videos very cool to see what can be squeezed of the new 224
Ur energy makes it easy to learn from you!! Keep it up my friend👍🏾
Thank You!
Anxious is all i can say. Today I complete the Predator 6.0 governor removal. (Your mod 2 cam video 2 years ago) I am satisfied with the completion. I believe this will be plenty of engine for me.
Great engine! Plenty of fun!
I told you those things rock! Great value in between the VM22 and a TM24. Looks great too.
I am learning,about small engiens at 60 ,years old,and riding minibikes! Thanks,man!❤ peace.
Subscribed...awesome videos
What nibbi carb do you recommend for bt200x stock 196cc engine?
Been waiting for this, I knew you could beat 60mph!! That carb is a Beast man🤘
I’ve been wondering about these carbs and nobody ever talks about them! Great vid black!!
Great video! Straight chain is the best way to test improvements for sure!
id sure like to see more future videos done with that carb. thank u sir again for ur time.
This is awesome to know when shopping around for mods for the 224 thanks for the info.👍👍👍
Thank you for all the fantastic content Black66!! I have learned so much via your videos!
On this bike, what exhaust are you running?
Thanks! I put the link for the exhaust header in the video description.
@@Black66 Thank you sir!!
Black66 I Like What Iam Seeing In The 224. I Recently Picked One Up. Iam Going To Try It Out On My Coleman BT200X.Thanks For The Videos
Hi,did the no,headgasket thing work longterm?😊❤ curious! And how much does desert land cost in AZ? I like it!
No problems at all with out the head gasket so far...
Nibbi shows that the 28mm is rec for 150-250cc. Any reason you went with the smaller one?
The channel is about testing different parts and combos with the occasional build thrown in. Tested many different carbs and the 24MM runs the best with this combo. Thanks for watching!
How would you recommend it long term? I’m stuck between this and a vm22 clone. Kinda leaning towards the nibbi
Noticed in one of your videos you mentioned sodering cable ends on for the round slide carburetor. I'm just curious to know where you get those cable ends at?
I have quite a few videos where I solder cable ends. I make the tip or cable end out of the solder itself.
@@Black66 ok thanks I'll check them out
By any chance would you buy the trailmaster 200 Strom mini bike. I just ordered one and then learned it doesn't have The same set up as the DB30 or mega moto 80.
Possibly. That Storm looks like a cool bike though. You can do a lot with that bike. It's similar in that it has a 196cc engine so all the mods that apply to other bikes should work on that bike. Also, it would be an easy bike to swap out a bigger engine on like a 212 or a 224
I am running the same carburetor on my 224cc predator engine. I am using a 115 main jet and a 35 pilot jet, but my bike is still running too rich. It smokes when rev up. Can you please confirm what pilot jet you are using
Please help. Im having alot of trouble with my 224cc did you use the nibbi carb after the ratio rocker video? I bought a mikuni clone can not get it to work like u do so i ordered a nibbi 24mm to match the small mainifold i currently have. Also a header pipe and govoner delete. Thats it. Idl what im doing wrong
I think I’m going try one of them carbs out , great video !
will the stock throttle cable on the Coleman work with this carb, or is there a specific cable needed?
You can solder a tip to any cable to work or buy a cable although it is risky if you don't solder on the tip correctly. .Check out the slide carb videos on the channel I show how to solder on a tip.
@@Black66 thank you, sir!
Mr black. Did you change the piston to a flat top? On the 224
What did the plug look like after the run sounded great through the entire pull did you ever have to re-jet?
I have did so many combos on this bike its hard to remember. Check out the 224 playlist th-cam.com/video/bAchgrp5AZ0/w-d-xo.html
Black 66, Id love to see this bike again but with your 263 with a pwk carb! Top speed? 🤔
I'm doing a small bike build now with the 263. I should have the video done soon.
What app do you use to track your speed and time? I’m having the hardest time. Trying to find something that goes 0 to 30. Thank you love your videos. Keep them coming.
Thanks! I use didiHUD on the phone for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30 times.
@@Black66 thank you
You need to come over to my house and fix my lawn mower 😆
best size Nibbi for the 212 I have pe24 nibbi. what pilot and main jet would you start off with at sea level that would also work at 7000 feet
Did you tune the NIBBI carb? If you did can you post a video about it? Love your videos!
Question for you I put a Nibbi 28mm on my 224, I had to adjust the idle jet down to a 35 and I put a 140 main jet because im having an issue where when i give it wot from idle it will want to cut out but then it revs up like a madman if i let the throttle out and then pop it again do I need an even bigger main jet? It seemed to do it not as bad when i swapped from the 115 to the 140, when I went from 115 to 110 it wouldnt even accelerate I have also tried adjusting the needle up and down to the different positions as well same kinda deal more rich it doesnt do it as bad, lean it does it worse, would this make sense to go up to say a 150? On the chikuni i had on there i only had a 130 jet in it and it ran decently but that was a 26mm @Black66
Is it a flange carb? If there is a leak somewhere it could make it not tunable. Check out this video
th-cam.com/video/b5bY-1gIWWk/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 checked it out just ordered some new gaskets and jets i think my intake gasket is fried
What’s going on brother love the video, in fact, I bought a nibbi carburetor as well! Are you familiar with the jetting, the jet is a large round jet, same as vm22 mikuni. Do you think their interchangeable, the nibbi carb kit came with 3 extra main jets, 100,102,108. And a extra pilot jet as well. I ran a 135 main and 15 pilot in the vm22 mikuni. The nibbi starts right up, runs beautiful just getting to top speed you can feel it get hesitant. I’m pretty sure it’s a bigger main but which one should I start with ? Any suggestions? It’s a mildly built predator hemi, cm grind cam, billet parts. Juggernaut. Thanks in advance
Thanks! They sell the jets on Amazon for the Nibbi . I started with a 115 main in mine. Ended up with a 130. It's hard to tell with yours because of different altitude and engine mods but You probably will need bigger jets than the ones you have. Check the plug after you ride it for a while with a bigger main jet. You will be able to see right away if its rich or lean .
Black how can you tell if the jet is too big? I bought the 24mm Nibbi. I almost have it dialed in, haven't drove it but revved a lot. Plug is black not wet. I have a 125 main and a 38 pilot. Do you think I should drop the pilot to a 32 or 35? The bike revs niceat higher ranges but "sticks" in the 1/4th - 1/8th range before it takes off.
600-700ft above sea level. What do you think?
Was the needle set in the middle like you said?
@@xaviermccloud4586 0 to 1/4 trhottle.is the pilot and A/F screw. I would to see what it does.
@@Black66 Cool. I'm gonna check it out in the morning. I think I need a smaller pilot. Thanks for all the help again!
Do you think a fully built 212 would get similar results?? 🤔 absolutely love this channel!!😁✌️💚
He has a video on a billet 212 vs a stock 224
I’m up in Colorado at about 5 or 6,000 feet and have moved from Texas, tubing a carb has been tricky
Man I been waiting so long for this video and I love it!!! That carb is so beautiful and the gains are nice I just ordered mine brotha!! What are you thinking the next video will be on?
Same engine, different bike with some more mods. Have to see how fast I can get this thing to go.
@@Black66 Hell yeah, I love the 224 content
@Black66 what bike is it on now? Would love to see this do 70+ if possible lol, do you plan on building a coleman ct100u anytime? Would be sweet to see you build the same frame I have!
Please let me know how you got that nibbi carb too work on your predator my 212 just bogs out and dies never runs right. Returning that one and getting the silver looking nibbi one that worked before. I might have gotten a bad carburetor
Check out the Predator 224 playlist or the Doodlebug playlist. There are some videos in the lists where I tune the Nibbi. th-cam.com/video/rF7xAz02INA/w-d-xo.html
I doubt you will see this, but what kind of speedometer is that? Id love to get one or maybe a speedo/rpm combo
The speedometer is in the camera software. I also use digiHUD on the phone as a speedometer along with a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
@Black66 so that, at the 16 sec mark is a camera recording a camera?
On the right side
@@RandomPerson-ob1hk OK That speedo you can buy on Amazon
@@Black66 that's what I thought thanks
Can I ask what chain are you using I put the carb in and got it running but the chain keeps popping off any suggestions
RLV gold on gold 35 chain
@@Black66 thanks man love the content
I had a question? On my minibike I have a 30 series torque converter with a predator 212 and it's eating belts like crazing. I was wondering if there was a way to fix that?
You need better alignment that's what would eat the belt if it wasn't aligned correctly.
if you could help me out that'd be great, what cam do you suggest I use for a arc billet rod standard length and performance piston standard bore? I will also have a billet flywheel, I don't want to do any machinery or clearancing as I don't have the necessary tools but I also don't want to use stock cam as they break with govenor removed.
A 265 cam is a great drop in cam for a 212. If you are going to run a 224 with a billlet rod you will have to do some clearancing on the cam and maybe the block.
@@Black66 mine is just a regular non hemi 212
@@magmasloth3619 Oh perfect! Throw in a Dover Power Superman series 265 cam . Thats a sweet cam in my opinion .Here is the link if your interested www.ebay.com/itm/113730944011
@@Black66 is that cam better than a dynocam super X?
@@magmasloth3619 The Superman cam has quite a bit of midrange torque. I like it better but that's a personal preference.
Awesome as always!
Killer videos! I have a 224 predator ,at sea level . Header pipe zip tie governor. I'm wondering what jet I should run with the carb upgrade. ? Any recommendations would be appreciated
Thank you! Throw a 120 in it and see what happens. Its mild so it might be good.
I ended up with 120/38 pilot. 3700-foot elevation.
Mine will only run on 145 jet or it will bog and stall at full throttle. And I made sure the seal is good at the tb
Any suggestions?
I'm in south dakota
Quick question I need a carb for my 212 go kart would the nibbi work?
How you get a good flow or gas thru the carb i gotta pick up my engine alittle so it can flow threw
I have a stock coleman, just got the intake adapter with the carb and the filter, but i just took the stock carb, should i remove the other accessories as well? Is there a cable to the governor?
Everything comes off. The VM22 doesn't use any of the stock linkage. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. It shows a VM22 install th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
I noticed the carb you put on has a o ring to seal it to the intake and the one in your link does not is that the same link you ordered from
Yes, same carb. The reason it doesn't have the o ring is you have to use a VM22 intake manifold
could u post link for the manifold adapter and air filter size for the nibbi🙏
@@darkkemissionz9481 I put the links in the description. Thanks for watching the videos!
Could you do a review on the nibbi 24mm? I bought a none flange. I'm not having any luck with mine yet. Running tilli 212 stage two
Great video. What nibbi carb would be good for a Honda GX390?
@black66 . I am running a predator 224 zip tied governor , header pipe and I had an extra 26mm nibbi carb with uni cold air intake. I have tried the smallest pilot jet (32) and 120 main jet. I am at sea-level elevation. The spark plug was very very soaked black. It did run and idled but was very rich and smoked. It seemed to get flooded. What should I do to get it to run a bit more lean and idle better with no smoke? Also the smoke did clear up after a few minutes.
Where did you get the 26 pound springs for the rockers and the little paper looking thing yoou put in between
what kind of clutch you rockin on that 224
man?
Its just a basic Mini Bike Centrifugal Clutch 3/4" Bore 10T #40/41/420 clutch. Here is the link www.ebay.com/itm/313092339316?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
So I just gotta nibbi 24mm on my 212 predator and I can’t give it any gas or it dies, I got it to idle good and all that but the second you rev it, it’ll die, running a 115 and a 40 in it; any idea where I should start?? I haven’t got to ride this bike since I swapped engines csuse of carb trouble
Hey I just got a tillotson 212cc engine an started to do my Governor removal from watching you video but I got stuck on something's 1st thing I was stuck on. do you half to saw that arm peace off when trying to get it out of the flywheel area or is there a different way because I don't have a saw. 2ed thing what should my moter look like when I'm all finished 3ed. can I use a regular screw to fill in the one hole inside the flywheel area an the top were you sawed the other bolt
use a 1/4×20 Allen button bolt screw with some Loctite for the governor armhole and the press in the shaft hole. It should be a button bolt or a bolt with a small head behind the flywheel so the head of the bolt doesn't hit the flywheel. If you pull the crank out that arm will fall out with no problem.Or Use an inexpensive Dremel from harbor freight and buzz the top part of the shaft off and it will fall out.
Thank you I really appreciate that what I would do with out 👍
I have that carb and I found you need to run a insulator same with vm22 After about 15 min the carb will be 150+ degrees and if you have clear fuel line you will see fuel bubbling up in the line from heat
I have never had any of those issues with my VM22's ore this Nibbi. I have run these things making videos for hours at a time. So far so good. Your engine must run super hot. Or maybe your in a much hotter climate.I hear ya, I would definitely run an insulator if I had those issues.
Mine was bubbling cold…. Think it’s a flow issue
What size tires are you running on this bike? Looks like a doodle bug
It's a Coleman CT200U. It runs a 19x7.00-8 tire. Check out the Doodlebug playlist. th-cam.com/video/SuBNz0jH5pU/w-d-xo.html
@Black66 thank you, very helpful
I've got a briggs 1150 and the math works out to a 30mm carb .. does that sound right in the real world ?
Bro how do you like this Vs the flat slide you had on the blue tilly with the 265 cam???
They are both good. Very close in comparison
I took my governor out, put a upgrade air filter and jet kit carb now my bike just stalls every time I hit the gas, the bike is pretty much new so I don’t know what it could be, I tried adjusting the screws and found I can drive but it doesn’t accelerate fast like before, it slowly builds up to speed, but then I messed with those screws again and now it just stalls period can u help please
You in Vegas and do you tune bikes I have a nibbi on 212
Kingman
Would mikuni jets work on Nibbi carb or do Nibbi carbs need there own jets?
Hey man I just added 18lb springs to my new 224... it is literally impossible to turn over no matter what I do to the exhaust lash. Last ditch effort before it gets returned? Been doing .003 for intake and exhaust.
Hey did you have any luck ?
@@lizsmith4376 I just returned my second one in a row. Got a 212 hemi to work with and a lifetime warrantee instead of another 224. Must be new industry regulations letting all the ones I got thru the cracks.
Is the blue extension piece necessary for the carb to fit?
Ran bigger carbs on stock Briggs when I was a kid...made adapter to fit Honda street bike carb on stock Briggs...made karts and bikes alot more fun!
I can relate. My dad had a go-kart and minibike shop when I was a kid. We used to race flathead, Briggs. We ran Horstman billet parts with Tillotson double pumper carburetors on Methanol.
@@Black66 Briggs stuff has gone through the roof on prices..that's if you can even find it. I still run a couple
@@darrellnichter9894 Love the 5hp Briggs flat head.
I might try one of these.
Is it actually 24mm or is that the model?
I ask because I thought a vm22 was 26mm.
Yes , it is 24MM
Like ur videos...💪🏽💪🏽 I just got the same Nibbi carb for my bike and it's awesome..
What kind of fuel do you burn, I know it isn't just Gasoline.
Yes, Just gasoline in these test. Check out the Coleman playlist . Thanks for watching th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
Where did you get jets? Nothing in description
Good Stuff. Thank You. 🏍🔥👍👍👍👍
not familiar with those carbs. are jets same as any others?
You make me want to buy that carburetor.I still want to get the flat slide carburetor.
New subscriber been watching your vids for about an week keep up the great work it is very helpful. Also could you please run a 24mm flat slide mikuni on this motor? I’m trying to see which is best for me on my 196cc and my fully ported and bead blasted 28.5/25 genuine Honda 18cc milled.050 racing head.
Thanks for watching! More carb videos to come with the 224
What tooth clutch and sprocket did yu use in this build do yu remember ?
Why the 24 and not the 28? At quick glance 28 is suggested for 200-250cc
I usually try and keep the carb size close to the intake valve size. I have used a 28MM. Check out the 224 playlists for many different combos with this bike. th-cam.com/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 thanks for the reply...I see the 28 doesn't have a flange for the direct bolt on....just curious as I didn't see the vid for a 28...cheers and thanks for vids. Look forward the next one!!
@@markmitsven6264 Thanks Check out the Mega Moto playlist. I use a 28 on there.
How many teeth on the rear sprocket ⚙️ at the time of this video?
Why are you hitting the kill switch right after a full trottle rev
To get you to comment on the video! Thanks!!! 👍👍Also thanks for watching the videos. Over 400 mini bike video on the channel so far!
What app do you use for the speedometer?
I use digiHUD on the phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
Where did you buy the $100 billet kit for the 212 predator hemi
Everyone almost,makes statements? I do not read as many,questions,as i do statements.❤curious😊
How much does all the parts in the description cost all together
No really sure. I'm always changing combos on these bikes. Check out the 224 playlist for more combos.th-cam.com/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/w-d-xo.html
been thinking about getting a new carb for fairy cheap any good suggestions
?
VM22 is inexpensive and easy to tune .
Your videos are bad ass by any chance are you close to Lancaster CA..
Thanks! I'm in Kingman AZ .
What clutch and how many teeth are you using on this?
Check out the 224 playlist. It has all the mods done so far th-cam.com/video/oxhroZjFb1A/w-d-xo.html
i watched all of your predator 224 vedios and i really liked all of them.
i would like to see a tachometer installed to see how many rpm you are turning with the modifications Please!
Thanks! I added the tach on one of the 224 videos.
@@Black66 i must have missed that vedio or it simply did not pop up.
Please send me the link and i will watch it.
Thank you
@@JS-pg8xq It's at the end of the video on the top speed run . I wanted to update the tach before I do it again th-cam.com/video/oxhroZjFb1A/w-d-xo.html
@@Black66 Thank You!
Ur carburetor vids r my fav
Say i need s carburetor for my 224 for a reasonable price what do you recommend thank you
Check out this video, both Carbs in this video work great on the 224 th-cam.com/video/dg5LzzZRvMo/w-d-xo.html
Will the nibbi 26 mm be better for the 224 ?
I wonder how it would compare to the flatslide carb you have…
What’s the speed difference compared to a stock carb?
Check out the 224 playlist. It shows the entire build and different carb swaps. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/w-d-xo.html
I wonder what the end cost of these affordable Mini bikes is after all of the upgrades
It really depends on parts used if you're building one and if you get it used or not. You can go from mild to wild and everywhere in between. I have picked up complete bikes for $300 used.
how does this compare to say a 24mm flat slide Mikuni
Check out this carb comparison video th-cam.com/video/dg5LzzZRvMo/w-d-xo.html
can I order a pre-made throttle cable for this carb?
What if I live in Florida do I have to change the pilot jet
What intake manifold is that i cant find the right one?
What size fuel line did you use out of the fuel tank
Just did the predator 212 swap on my Coleman rt100 frame it has a rear 75tooth #35 chain and a 12 tooth clutch am I able to change the rear sprocket smaller or bigger for more speed it goes around 20 something mph with the 75 tooth and the 12 tooth clutch
I really want some thing that will give me at least 40-45 mph
@@Black66 so which one of those 3 can I put on 13,14,15 to go at least 40 or more and thanks a lot your a lot of help when it come to this stuff
@@Black66 Lmk asap plz if I order the 40 tooth rear sprocket with the 12 tooth clutch will it make about 40 mph
On the predator 212 cuz I can find any of the clutches 13,14,15
@@Black66 just found a 40 tooth for #35 chain sprocket is that gear ratio good for high end speed it has a 12 tooth clutch
Or what about a 65 tooth sprocket
@@julianflores2511 Use this gear ratio calculator to figure out what ratio you want.
Plug in tire sizes and sprocket sizes
www.gokartsupply.com/ratios.htm
@@Black66 I don’t understand the gearing app. I’m sorry just wanted to know which would work better to reach about 40 mph the 40 tooth with the 12tooth clutch? or the 65 tooth with the 12 tooth clutch?
You install cams without degree a wheel. I'm like you that l installed them at factory specs and factory specs on valve lash.
I'm not to keen on setting valves with a preload.
From what I'm told, you set the lash with both valves slightly open and having not much compression on start and lash opens as engine heats up.
Give me your thoughts.
There's no need to set to negative lash. There wouldn't be any noticeable power gain from a few extra thou of lift. Why not just set them to zero?
The 3 thou that guys use is a good number because it's in between zero and the Honda GX200 spec. All you are doing is making sure you aren't too tight or too loose.
I think there is too much overthinking about valve lash. It's a simple adjustment that I set and forget. I have utility engines that I set to the GX200 spec many years ago and haven't touched them since. You need a ton of hours on them before they go too far out of spec from valve train wear.
Were did you get the blue thing to convert the carburetor?
Its a VM22 Mikuni intake . Here is the link www.ebay.com/itm/185250308056?hash=item2b21c75fd8:g:WnwAAOSwaOpbkT-9
@@Black66 i I found a similar one on go Powersports, is it similar?
@@dominicolson3574 Ya, go power sports has one that will work .
@@Black66 I’ll definitely have to check that out, thanks!
thanks for the tip! ..does anyone know which jet if you live in Southeast
Hey bud quick question can I put my straight pipe on my 224cc it’s bone stock
Sure . You can always jet the carb for the pipe later
@@Black66 can I also put the filter with out blowing the motor or anything
@@Black66 and thank u so much for the replay so fast I just don’t wanna blow the motor so pipe and filter it’s ok no problem
@@unknwnoutcast4388 There is no guarantee with any of this stuff when you start Modifying it. But ya, a filter and a pipe shouldn't be a problem.
@@Black66 thank u so much my friend god blessed
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