It was definitely a catch and strip fumble at the 4:25 mark I was there!! I am #29 Hendy cornerback/nickel back there stripping blazing fast Carl Weather. It was my rookie year and later on I became the starting left CB and made 1st team All Rookie 1985 along with SS Jeffery Dale #37. I'm 61 now and my knees ache lol
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Thank you for the video. It was tough playing against the Browns. As a kid I loved them almost as much I loved my Raiders. At SD my 1st year we went 8-8. Cleveland's O Line was great! and so was the defense. Take care my friend!! th-cam.com/video/Ovr4S0SDbW4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Cmujl3CjZaOR39tm
Nice play Hendy! And I 100% agree with you, that was a catch + forced fumble based on the "control and two feet down" rules in place back then. The "football move" wasn't added to the NFL definition of a catch yet, and It was SO much easier to determine a catch! @@OfficialJaguarGator9 @goldenthug9
I can understand a coach saying something like, "That was the ugliest throw I've ever seen." But should probably also have been followed up with, "But he completed it for a touchdown. Good job." and maybe adding "Don't make that kind of pass a habit."
Schottenheimer had the right idea but how he handled it was wrong. Yes, a touchdown was scored. Yes it’s out Cleveland ahead. Yes they won the game. And I’d probably be a bit ticked when it first happened, but you don’t put your starting qb on blast in the media. Just say we got lucky and move on
I agree that Schottenheimer should've handled that differently. If he wants to ream Danielson out behind closed doors, I think he would've been justified. When speaking to the media, however, the head coach should've chosen his words more carefully.
@@Touchybanana Gruden is a stupid example. NOTHING about his coaching was off, it was odd the field issues (which shouldn’t have been released or got him fired in the first place).
Danielson had at least one more great moment as Browns QB in that '85 season. In a late season game vs. the playoff bound Giants at the Meadowlands, Danielson came off the bench and facing a 12 pt. deficit in the 4th qtr., led the Browns on two long TD drives to pull out a come from behind win. The Browns would finish 8-8, winning the AFC Central title.
Oddly enough, it was at the (former) Murph where Phillip Nelson did the Mahomes no-look in an AAF game in 2019. Mike Martz was as impressed as MS was with Danielson here
YES! A Hold My Beer joke! Thank you! It's been way too long! I thought it was dead and gone and but you managed to bring it back. I understand coming up with new and different ways of expressing yourself is hard. It's best to stick to the classics. THANK YOU AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
On one hand, just because a play turned out OK doesn't mean what you did isn't stupid. OTOH that can be coached after the game the next few days, not by berating the player to reporters.
One nugget I got out of a mostly worthless management class I took decades ago, is "praise publicly, criticize privately." Though there may be circumstances that justify doing otherwise, it's a pretty solid rule of thumb.
I think the real problem with the browns that year wasn’t Danielson, their o-line looked god awful in every clip shown, getting completely blown off the ball or even leaving some defenders entirely untouched on their way to the sack. Hard to be a good QB when you have like 2 seconds to throw before a defender is dragging you to the ground.
Think that's bad? There was an incident in 1912 where Red Murray (Giants) was ordered to bunt by his manager John McGraw (tie game, no outs, runner on second), but because the pitcher (Howie Camnitz, Pirates) threw the ball at Red's "sweet spot" (high and inside; don't ask) in the strike zone so he instinctively swung with all his might and hit a game winning home run! And then his manager (I kid you not) fined him $100 for not bunting like he was told to!!
I remember that jumping high-five touchdown celebration the Browns used in the Marty Era, as seen at 7:02. That year the Browns won the Central Division, eventually losing a close one to Dan Marino in Miami in the Divisional Playoff.
Scottenheimer was correct. If Byner didn't make a great play to come back for the ball and save what could have been a pick six the other way and instead turned that to a TD and won the game for the Browns. Scottenheimer should have handled it better as he could have ripped him privately but not throw him under the bus to the public.
The worst TD pass in Browns history is the last TD pass thrown by Bernie Kosar as a Brown. Kosar changed Belichick's playcall. Belichick was pissed. And Kosar got cut over it.
@@stevenbauer4799 The Vinnie experiment had already begun. Vinnie was hurt, so Kosar was back in. Kosar changed Belichicks play, was cut the next day or day after, and because Vinnie was still hurt Todd Philcox got to start against the Hawks. The Browns offense did nothing.
All I would have said to him as his coach is "You'd better be thanking God that wasn't intercepted," and left it at that. Danielson had to know it was a boneheaded play as soon as he let it go.
Art model wanted Danielson very badly . After getting Bernie Corsair model wanted a veteran quarterback to prepare Bernie & time to build the team around him . Danielson was his teacher and model for Bernie Corsair . Danielson was fine with it . His career almost done & he helped get the browns to the playoffs in 1985 . He did good 👍
I think Lou Brown from Major League said it best (paraphrasing) “Nice play don’t ever f*****g do it again!” The 1985 Chargers were fascinating. This is one of the few games that wasn’t a 48-45 barn burner. Fouts going out had a lot to do with that I guess. They lit up the scoreboard but couldn’t stop anyone and ended up 8-8.
Still the most combined points (team and opponent) of any season in Chargers history. They had games with scores of 49-35, 44-41, 40-34, 37-35, 54-44 and 38-34, and are tied with three other teams for most games in a season with both 30-plus points scored and allowed. So basically the polar opposite of the '77 Falcons.
The only good defensive player they had was HOFer Fred Dean, who won two SBs with the 49ers, and, left because his brother-in-law, (a garbage man), earned more than him.
Not only did Dave Krieg have a career day against them in week 2, Stephone Paige set the (since broken by Flipper) single game receiving record against them in the season finale
Danielson confessed during a commercial timeout, during a cbs telecast of an SEC game between Florida and Georgia, that Marty Schottenheimer had called to have him spike the ball to the ground. Verne Lunquist jokingly suggested that Tim Tebow would be wise to do that if he made it in the NFL.
That pass is the kind that gets a player cut. In a low-scoring tie game where you are in field goal range the last thing you do is throw it up for grabs. A smart quarterback would have taken the sack or found a way to safely ground the ball. This is the sort of thing that Manziel would do and hope his receivers can pull his ass out of the fire.
Funny that. I always thought Marty (who is a bit of hero of mine) would have been a smile and "You got lucky today" guy. Getting angry at someone for throwing (an admittedly blind) touchdown pass sounds like a Jim Mora (either of them!) or a Jerry Glanville thing to do.
Jim L(oser) Mora, who berated Olindo Mare for missing two field goals in 2009--when he made four FG and an XP, 13 of the Hawks' 19 points. When he called out Chris Spencer later in the year and went on the dirtbag rant I said 'So you're gonna go out and play?'
I can't blame Danielson. When you're falling to the ground you don't have time to think. So, you do the first thing that pops into your head, no matter how dumb of an idea it is. Great play by Byner.
@@marcus813 He shouldn't have said jack s..t after he told Daneilson off right after the play. Move the f... on and quit whining about a "dumb" play that got your team 6 points.
@@encycl07pedia- Schottenheimer needed to say something. He knew that Danielson got lucky and that Byner bailed the QB out of a dumb decision. You can't rely on getting lucky. It's not always about the result. The process matters, too.
True, but as I understand it, that'll be for only one more season; the SEC is scheduled to leave the Tiffany Network for ESPN come 2022 (which makes me wonder, will that leave CBS without college football of any sort?).
That was because Elway refused to play for Baltimore, and would play baseball for the Yankees if he wasn't traded to a contending team. The rest is NFL history.
I used to feel sorry for Schottenheimer. Not anymore. To be mad over an hour later over a TD pass is ridiculous, as is chewing out the guy that far removed from a play that helped win the game.
@@Jelperman Say what you will about The Spanos Family, at least they pretended to care about football, Gene Klein cared about horeseracing, owned the Chargers to be part of a club, and, ultimately, proved that indifference, can be, as bad, if, not, worse, than ineptitude.
@@marcus813 John Madden only ever really took two teams seriously, the, Dolphins, and, the, Steelers, Tom Flores knew the Raiders weren't talented enough to win on talent alone, as a result, he won twice as many SBs, coincidence, I think not.
It is one thing to say they got lucky. It's another thing to whine and moan about it long after the fact and put your QB on blast for throwing a TD pass. Schottenheimer was an absolute douche about it. He should have just said "Great play. Never do that again."
Well, no, not everyone was unhappy. I suspect the guy who caught the ball and scored the touchdown was VERY happy! 1) because he managed to catch such a poorly thrown ball, and 2) he got in with his skill and moves to avoid getting tackled; he’ll, I’d be delirious! 😆😅
Good grief, why on earth would he throw a pass like that? Danielson was not having a good season. Coach should have kept it minimal for the press. Horrible that his newborn child died years ago.
These videos are 4x longer than they need to be, overwhelming the viewer with far too many useless stats and meaningless details that have no bearing on the actual incident. It's like a mediocre film director that desperately needs an editor before releasing his work.
Lol. Mahomes makes that exact same pass and everybody is singing his praises as a superhuman wunderkind. Danielson makes that pass and everyone is saying some variation on "better to be lucky than good" and the coach gives you shit in front of the press.
actually at the start of the season all those passes were going in to the hands of the defenders, same thing happened to Favre sometimes he was golden and others he was just giving the ball away, but those guys had so much talent they get more leeway to improvise, journeymen should stick to the book
Well, this wasn’t the first time a bad play turned out well, and it won’t be the last. Of course, there are plenty (and a half) of examples of poor plays leading to a win… for the other team!
Marty was a good coach... but on this.. yeah, it was a poor decision that could have been disasterous... but if I was the QB when asked questions... my answer would probably have not bee good for marty... "well, you heard the coach... to him success is not the goal but how you get there I guess... "...
@@diaz5292 The Dusty Baker of football, falling at the final hurdle that many times is far less, "bad luck," than it is an appalling Lack Of Situational Awareness, it's really sad.
@@matthewdaley746 Oh relax. Marty had a good career with different teams. He was usually in the fight toward the end of the season, with his Browns and Chiefs teams. He lasted quite a while in the Not For Long league. That's something right there.
@@diaz5292 It is, but, he was such a charming guy, people want to say it was only misfortune that prevented glory, it's far more complicated than that.
Good thing for Danielson that this play worked out for him and the Browns because that was an ill-advised decision that he made. I guess all that did was delay the inevitable (Bernie Kosar becoming the starting QB). I doubt that Danielson was gonna take the Browns to the heights that Kosar took them to anyway.
@@marcus813 The Hail Flutie Game, Bernie Kosar played for the Miami Hurricanes, and, after the, (seemingly), victorious TD was scored, he went on a profanity-laced tirade, after the Game ended, he went to the locker room, and, skipped the handshake line, with Doug Flutie asking where he was, getting no answer.
For the flip side of this and why this is a balls idea see December 10 2018. Russell Wilson does the exact same thing only this time there was no happy accident. Eric Kendricks picked it off and was one step away from breaking for a pick-six down the near sideline. A couple of bizarre ends from that game: A Schottenheimer was on the sideline, Marty's son Brian The team with the heroball addict QB won 21-7 And I believe it's also safe to say that Jay Randolph's interpretation of Marty was the Let's Go Brandon of its day
I see why he's mad, hell I was pissed watching hi throw that. Do Not throw the ball when you are falling down. It was too close to being a pick or Tipped. Again 2nd down and can take a sack? Why make that throw? I wouldn't let him throw another pass either
Marty rip was old school. It was best to what he said. And that is pretty much a given for a qb. Just eat the ball and not throw it away foolishly (or throw late over the middle). Usually bad things come out of that. Just luck it worked out for browns. Not as bad as harbaugh getting chewed out by ditka for calling that audible that jimbo publically apologized for doing and saying he would never do again.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. I believe that was '92 and a late season loss to vikes that pretty much was the ending of the ditka era. Now bear fans are waiting for the end of the nagy era. Just like the lovie era, the tressman era, and on and on...
@@stevenbauer4799 "The Audible," finished him, the Bears fans should pray that The Virginia McCaskey Era ends soon, NOTHING'S changing until it does, PERIOD.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. Lions fans can only hope for a similar ending to the ford era with their nepotism too. To show how bad is their coaching nepostism is it once resulted in a line coach/bro in law of the coach driving thru a wendy's drive thru drunk and naked. And i don't know who is more senile?...virginia or old lady martha who just turn things over to their siblings. I wonder how many kids brown in cincy has? or danny boy?
No you are too easy on Schottenheimer on this one. You don't do that and he was known for being a d-bag. In today's NFL he would've gotten praised. But no he played in a time when they were over cautious. He got screwed by a d-bag coach. Happens a lot. Coaches think they're everything when they're not. Enjoying what's happening to the Patriots right now when Belichick decided Tom wasn't worth it and without Belichick Tom would be nothing.
I see where Schottenheimer was coming from, though. That could've easily been a pick-6 for the Chargers and that would've drastically altered the complexion of the game. Earnest Byner bailed Danielson out of a bad decision.
Marty was not a motivational coach. He deserved to coach in Cleveland. He should have been rewarded by coaching in Philadelphia, with WC Fields as his Offensive Coordinator.
Well I have ALWAYS said that the Cleveland Browns weren't even good ENOUGH to be a 39.6. They should just SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
As soon as I saw Danielson try that throw, I immediately thought, "Dangerous pass!" If that had been the way he drew it up and it got picked off, it would have qualified for Dumb Decisions in my book. But since it was a touchdown, all's well that ends well. Almost.
I'm with Coach... terrible play. Got very lucky... ball should have been picked off and could have been a Pick-6. That and I miss the old baseball field in the middle of the gridiron look.
It was definitely a catch and strip fumble at the 4:25 mark I was there!! I am #29 Hendy cornerback/nickel back there stripping blazing fast Carl Weather. It was my rookie year and later on I became the starting left CB and made 1st team All Rookie 1985 along with SS Jeffery Dale #37. I'm 61 now and my knees ache lol
That’s awesome! Thanks for commenting. Seen tons of footage of those 80s Browns teams and loved watching you play!
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Thank you for the video. It was tough playing against the Browns. As a kid I loved them almost as much I loved my Raiders. At SD my 1st year we went 8-8. Cleveland's O Line was great! and so was the defense. Take care my friend!!
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Nice play Hendy! And I 100% agree with you, that was a catch + forced fumble based on the "control and two feet down" rules in place back then. The "football move" wasn't added to the NFL definition of a catch yet, and It was SO much easier to determine a catch! @@OfficialJaguarGator9 @goldenthug9
Marty didn't know a management practice that applies across the board - praise in public, reprimand in private.
Marty was an a-hole. Most of his players hated him
I can understand a coach saying something like, "That was the ugliest throw I've ever seen."
But should probably also have been followed up with, "But he completed it for a touchdown. Good job." and maybe adding "Don't make that kind of pass a habit."
Wow, I'm a Browns fan, and I barely remember this play. But yeah, it was a totally stupid play that just worked out.
Schottenheimer had the right idea but how he handled it was wrong. Yes, a touchdown was scored. Yes it’s out Cleveland ahead. Yes they won the game. And I’d probably be a bit ticked when it first happened, but you don’t put your starting qb on blast in the media. Just say we got lucky and move on
I agree that Schottenheimer should've handled that differently. If he wants to ream Danielson out behind closed doors, I think he would've been justified. When speaking to the media, however, the head coach should've chosen his words more carefully.
The NFL tends to get bad coaches from time to time like Urban Meyer and Jon Gruden.
@@Touchybanana Gruden is a stupid example.
NOTHING about his coaching was off, it was odd the field issues (which shouldn’t have been released or got him fired in the first place).
Danielson had at least one more great moment as Browns QB in that '85 season. In a late season game vs. the playoff bound Giants at the Meadowlands, Danielson came off the bench and facing a 12 pt. deficit in the 4th qtr., led the Browns on two long TD drives to pull out a come from behind win. The Browns would finish 8-8, winning the AFC Central title.
That was back when that division was abysmal.
I've heard the phrase "the operation was a success but the patient died" but this play was like the opposite of that.
I see my Browns used 40 years of good luck on one play.
As a fellow browns fan, I feel this in my soul.
Patrick Mahomes is watching that play and saying, “Hold my beer.”
Unfortunately Mahomes didn't have a recieve who could catch
Oddly enough, it was at the (former) Murph where Phillip Nelson did the Mahomes no-look in an AAF game in 2019. Mike Martz was as impressed as MS was with Danielson here
I was thinking the same thing, but about Brett Favre...
YES! A Hold My Beer joke! Thank you! It's been way too long! I thought it was dead and gone and but you managed to bring it back. I understand coming up with new and different ways of expressing yourself is hard. It's best to stick to the classics. THANK YOU AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
On one hand, just because a play turned out OK doesn't mean what you did isn't stupid. OTOH that can be coached after the game the next few days, not by berating the player to reporters.
To that, I say, if you EVER bet your life savings on the roulette wheel, and, DON'T lose it, it was still a enormously idiotic decision.
@@matthewdaley746 But, red had hit ten time in a row. I knew black was due. 😄
@@russlehman2070 To be fair, I first heard this topical snippet from Colin Cowherd.
One nugget I got out of a mostly worthless management class I took decades ago, is "praise publicly, criticize privately." Though there may be circumstances that justify doing otherwise, it's a pretty solid rule of thumb.
@@russlehman2070 Yeah, kind, of, like, "trust, but, verify," use, common, sense, daily, right.
I think the real problem with the browns that year wasn’t Danielson, their o-line looked god awful in every clip shown, getting completely blown off the ball or even leaving some defenders entirely untouched on their way to the sack. Hard to be a good QB when you have like 2 seconds to throw before a defender is dragging you to the ground.
Think that's bad? There was an incident in 1912 where Red Murray (Giants) was ordered to bunt by his manager John McGraw (tie game, no outs, runner on second), but because the pitcher (Howie Camnitz, Pirates) threw the ball at Red's "sweet spot" (high and inside; don't ask) in the strike zone so he instinctively swung with all his might and hit a game winning home run! And then his manager (I kid you not) fined him $100 for not bunting like he was told to!!
Considering it was John McGraw, he was lucky it wasn't the end of his career, straightaway, (if they lose, it, surely, is).
You're kidding
@@theRealBrandonRoberts1990 John McGraw was not someone to be messed with, I won't ever put anything past him.
@@theRealBrandonRoberts1990 Nope; it really happened.
@@JohnSmith-zw8vp The good old days, when managers actually scared professional players.
I remember that jumping high-five touchdown celebration the Browns used in the Marty Era, as seen at 7:02. That year the Browns won the Central Division, eventually losing a close one to Dan Marino in Miami in the Divisional Playoff.
The Browns should have beaten the Dolphins and would have had the Patriots for a home championship game. A 21-3 to 3rd quarter lead and they blew it.
redmustang04; Yes, they should have won that game. They got gassed on a warm day in Miami - they weren’t able to close it out.
@@denisceballos9745 that weren't able to close it out rang true for the next two seasons.
redmustang04 redmustang04 ; Yeah, ‘85 was only the beginning of heartbreak city. Denver took over from that point, to destroy our hopes.
Scottenheimer was correct. If Byner didn't make a great play to come back for the ball and save what could have been a pick six the other way and instead turned that to a TD and won the game for the Browns. Scottenheimer should have handled it better as he could have ripped him privately but not throw him under the bus to the public.
The worst TD pass in Browns history is the last TD pass thrown by Bernie Kosar as a Brown. Kosar changed Belichick's playcall. Belichick was pissed. And Kosar got cut over it.
I was going to post the same thing!
That began the vinnie t. experiment for browns.
@@stevenbauer4799 The Vinnie experiment had already begun. Vinnie was hurt, so Kosar was back in. Kosar changed Belichicks play, was cut the next day or day after, and because Vinnie was still hurt Todd Philcox got to start against the Hawks. The Browns offense did nothing.
That is what I thought this would be.Belichik should never have gotten another job.
All I would have said to him as his coach is "You'd better be thanking God that wasn't intercepted," and left it at that.
Danielson had to know it was a boneheaded play as soon as he let it go.
Or as another famous Cleveland coach would say: NICE PLAY, DON'T EVER FUCKIN DO THAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! would suffice
@@mgb4692 That would have worked too. Just something to convey, "you got away with it, but don't try it again."
@@mgb4692 Lou Brown!!! 😊😍❤️
I remember this play.
I yelled no no no.... then yes yes yes.
Art model wanted Danielson very badly . After getting Bernie Corsair model wanted a veteran quarterback to prepare Bernie & time to build the team around him . Danielson was his teacher and model for Bernie Corsair . Danielson was fine with it . His career almost done & he helped get the browns to the playoffs in 1985 . He did good 👍
7:08 "And Schottenhemer says all right!" As Marty is shown looking like someone just told him his wife died.
I think Lou Brown from Major League said it best (paraphrasing) “Nice play don’t ever f*****g do it again!”
The 1985 Chargers were fascinating. This is one of the few games that wasn’t a 48-45 barn burner. Fouts going out had a lot to do with that I guess. They lit up the scoreboard but couldn’t stop anyone and ended up 8-8.
Still the most combined points (team and opponent) of any season in Chargers history. They had games with scores of 49-35, 44-41, 40-34, 37-35, 54-44 and 38-34, and are tied with three other teams for most games in a season with both 30-plus points scored and allowed. So basically the polar opposite of the '77 Falcons.
The only good defensive player they had was HOFer Fred Dean, who won two SBs with the 49ers, and, left because his brother-in-law, (a garbage man), earned more than him.
@@DolFan316 The Chargers were constantly walking on a tightrope because their defense sucked, they always would fall off in the Playoffs.
Not only did Dave Krieg have a career day against them in week 2, Stephone Paige set the (since broken by Flipper) single game receiving record against them in the season finale
@@mgb4692 Yeah, the Chargers never won anything for a reason, they took defense for granted, and, sadly, it completely destroyed them.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail for this video, I knew it had to be Marty! 😂
Danielson confessed during a commercial timeout, during a cbs telecast of an SEC game between Florida and Georgia, that Marty Schottenheimer had called to have him spike the ball to the ground. Verne Lunquist jokingly suggested that Tim Tebow would be wise to do that if he made it in the NFL.
That pass is the kind that gets a player cut. In a low-scoring tie game where you are in field goal range the last thing you do is throw it up for grabs. A smart quarterback would have taken the sack or found a way to safely ground the ball. This is the sort of thing that Manziel would do and hope his receivers can pull his ass out of the fire.
"There's a Gleam Gentleman"
And Marty-Ball got bounced from the post season
If this is how Marty Schottenheimer treats his players no wonder he was never successful in the postseason.
Little known fact: That throw got Pat Mahomes mom pregnant
Only the Browns could score a touchdown and have their coach be upset. SMH.
Marty then spiked Danielson into the ground for a rating of 39.6
Funny that. I always thought Marty (who is a bit of hero of mine) would have been a smile and "You got lucky today" guy. Getting angry at someone for throwing (an admittedly blind) touchdown pass sounds like a Jim Mora (either of them!) or a Jerry Glanville thing to do.
Jim L(oser) Mora, who berated Olindo Mare for missing two field goals in 2009--when he made four FG and an XP, 13 of the Hawks' 19 points.
When he called out Chris Spencer later in the year and went on the dirtbag rant I said 'So you're gonna go out and play?'
Most people will remember Gary Danielson as a QB when he got intercepted by Lawrence Taylor in 1981 for a pick 6.
We need to get those sub numbers up! Was awesome seeing go from around 7k to 20k+, 50k would be sweet
I can't blame Danielson. When you're falling to the ground you don't have time to think. So, you do the first thing that pops into your head, no matter how dumb of an idea it is. Great play by Byner.
Byner bailed Danielson out of a boneheaded decision. Schottenheimer reamed Danielson out for a reason.
@@marcus813 Sure, but to the media?
Talk about that in private
@@JD-jz5gu Schottenheimer definitely should've done it in private. I've never been big on coaches doing that within earshot of the media.
@@marcus813 He shouldn't have said jack s..t after he told Daneilson off right after the play. Move the f... on and quit whining about a "dumb" play that got your team 6 points.
@@encycl07pedia- Schottenheimer needed to say something. He knew that Danielson got lucky and that Byner bailed the QB out of a dumb decision. You can't rely on getting lucky. It's not always about the result. The process matters, too.
And Danielson had a nice career as broadcaster. Certainly much better than Reggie Rucker. :)
4:45 I had Jesse Bendross on my fantasy team for this game. Good times. 😎
Gary danielson now does the sec gotw with Brad nessler for cbs
True, but as I understand it, that'll be for only one more season; the SEC is scheduled to leave the Tiffany Network for ESPN come 2022 (which makes me wonder, will that leave CBS without college football of any sort?).
Nice find. I remember Danielson mostly as a Lion. He was a solid but not great NFL starter who didn't have a lot of talent around him.
Where do you get all the footage of these games from?
I'd love to see JG9 do a "The Making of" documentary of one of his videos.
I thought for sure this was going to be about Belichick and Kosar. At least Danielson wasn't cut.
Look like a Patrick Mahome pass or the future passing in the NFL.
The back up for San Diego Mark Herrmann and Chris Hinton were traded to Baltimore for John Elway.
That was because Elway refused to play for Baltimore, and would play baseball for the Yankees if he wasn't traded to a contending team. The rest is NFL history.
I don't blame him after that
I used to feel sorry for Schottenheimer. Not anymore. To be mad over an hour later over a TD pass is ridiculous, as is chewing out the guy that far removed from a play that helped win the game.
The 1985 Chargers was my favorite team.
Only the Chargers' defense could give up such a goofy score.
Air Coryell was any drop of defense away from becoming a dynasty, that simple.
@@matthewdaley746 A textbook example of how bad owners can royally screw up their team AND screw even all-time great coaches.
@@Jelperman Say what you will about The Spanos Family, at least they pretended to care about football, Gene Klein cared about horeseracing, owned the Chargers to be part of a club, and, ultimately, proved that indifference, can be, as bad, if, not, worse, than ineptitude.
@@matthewdaley746 I doubt that even the great Raiders and Broncos teams of that era would've stopped them in that case.
@@marcus813 John Madden only ever really took two teams seriously, the, Dolphins, and, the, Steelers, Tom Flores knew the Raiders weren't talented enough to win on talent alone, as a result, he won twice as many SBs, coincidence, I think not.
To be fair, Marty hadn't even been a head coach for a full season at this point.
I think I'm with Shotty on that one. They got lucky
Yeah, people used to getting lucky are totally screwed when their luck runs out.
It is one thing to say they got lucky. It's another thing to whine and moan about it long after the fact and put your QB on blast for throwing a TD pass. Schottenheimer was an absolute douche about it. He should have just said "Great play. Never do that again."
36 Years Ago
The worst touchdown pass in Browns history?
But there are so, uhhh many, to choose from!
Well, no, not everyone was unhappy. I suspect the guy who caught the ball and scored the touchdown was VERY happy! 1) because he managed to catch such a poorly thrown ball, and 2) he got in with his skill and moves to avoid getting tackled; he’ll, I’d be delirious! 😆😅
Can't wait for the WORST Touchdown run in Atlanta Falcons history.
The most memorable touchdown pass Gary Danielson ever threw was to Lawrence Taylor.
WTF was that? The most remarkable throw rucker ever seen? How do you throw that? I can see why Marty was pissed....
Good grief, why on earth would he throw a pass like that? Danielson was not having a good season. Coach should have kept it minimal for the press.
Horrible that his newborn child died years ago.
I thought the worst pass would be from one of the many failure 1st round picks of the Browns.
These videos are 4x longer than they need to be, overwhelming the viewer with far too many useless stats and meaningless details that have no bearing on the actual incident. It's like a mediocre film director that desperately needs an editor before releasing his work.
Lol. Mahomes makes that exact same pass and everybody is singing his praises as a superhuman wunderkind. Danielson makes that pass and everyone is saying some variation on "better to be lucky than good" and the coach gives you shit in front of the press.
actually at the start of the season all those passes were going in to the hands of the defenders, same thing happened to Favre sometimes he was golden and others he was just giving the ball away, but those guys had so much talent they get more leeway to improvise, journeymen should stick to the book
How about Byner? It was his fault for catching it. How about us? It's our fault for watching this. We have a lot better things to do.
I wonder if Mr. Miagi was a fan of Danielson.
Danielson was 4-2 as a starter for the '85 Browns, with a passer rating of 85.3. Kosar was 4-6 with a passer rating of 69.3. Just sayin'.
Well, this wasn’t the first time a bad play turned out well, and it won’t be the last. Of course, there are plenty (and a half) of examples of poor plays leading to a win… for the other team!
Didn't Bernie ironically also infuriate belichick by drawing up a play in the dirt on the ground in the huddle? Also a touchdown
Marty was a good coach... but on this.. yeah, it was a poor decision that could have been disasterous... but if I was the QB when asked questions... my answer would probably have not bee good for marty... "well, you heard the coach... to him success is not the goal but how you get there I guess... "...
As a Lions Fan Gary Danielson wouldve been good for those lost 4 years in Detroit, until the arrival of the great one
I never knew Wayne Gretzky played for the Lions, sorry, but, that was just way too good to pass up.
@@matthewdaley746 Jesus saves...passes to Gretzky, he throws to Megatron, he scores?!?
@@nogem1 All is now correct.
It just proves that old chestnut right: Offense wins games. Schottenheimer wins championships...lol
Just not for the teams he coaches, simple as that.
@@matthewdaley746 Well to me it's his complete lack of championships that makes it funny, lol
@@diaz5292 The Dusty Baker of football, falling at the final hurdle that many times is far less, "bad luck," than it is an appalling Lack Of Situational Awareness, it's really sad.
@@matthewdaley746 Oh relax. Marty had a good career with different teams. He was usually in the fight toward the end of the season, with his Browns and Chiefs teams. He lasted quite a while in the Not For Long league. That's something right there.
@@diaz5292 It is, but, he was such a charming guy, people want to say it was only misfortune that prevented glory, it's far more complicated than that.
He did make a pretty stupid throw in 2nd down but got very lucky. Kyle Murray was not so lucky against the Rams trying to avoid the safety.
Good thing for Danielson that this play worked out for him and the Browns because that was an ill-advised decision that he made. I guess all that did was delay the inevitable (Bernie Kosar becoming the starting QB). I doubt that Danielson was gonna take the Browns to the heights that Kosar took them to anyway.
Speaking of which, I've never truly forgiven Bernie Kosar for, "forgetting," to shake Doug Flutie's hand.
@@matthewdaley746 When did this happen? This is the 1st time I've been made aware of this.
@@marcus813 The Hail Flutie Game, Bernie Kosar played for the Miami Hurricanes, and, after the, (seemingly), victorious TD was scored, he went on a profanity-laced tirade, after the Game ended, he went to the locker room, and, skipped the handshake line, with Doug Flutie asking where he was, getting no answer.
What heights? Losing to the Denver Broncos?
@@matthewdaley746 You have way too many commas in that. Learn how to use a period and when NOT to use a comma.
I mean he did get lucky, but we've seen Mahomes kind of do that type of throw and we are wowed about it now
That's not luck -that's the Chargers' defense!
For the flip side of this and why this is a balls idea see December 10 2018. Russell Wilson does the exact same thing only this time there was no happy accident. Eric Kendricks picked it off and was one step away from breaking for a pick-six down the near sideline. A couple of bizarre ends from that game:
A Schottenheimer was on the sideline, Marty's son Brian
The team with the heroball addict QB won 21-7
And I believe it's also safe to say that Jay Randolph's interpretation of Marty was the Let's Go Brandon of its day
Well whatever I've seen uglier td's than that
I see why he's mad, hell I was pissed watching hi throw that. Do Not throw the ball when you are falling down. It was too close to being a pick or Tipped. Again 2nd down and can take a sack? Why make that throw? I wouldn't let him throw another pass either
Mahomes makes throws like this every season but it's acceptable because he's Mahomes. And Marty was a jerk.
Marty rip was old school. It was best to what he said. And that is pretty much a given for a qb. Just eat the ball and not throw it away foolishly (or throw late over the middle). Usually bad things come out of that. Just luck it worked out for browns. Not as bad as harbaugh getting chewed out by ditka for calling that audible that jimbo publically apologized for doing and saying he would never do again.
That Game hammered the final nail into Mike Ditka's coffin, that simple.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. I believe that was '92 and a late season loss to vikes that pretty much was the ending of the ditka era. Now bear fans are waiting for the end of the nagy era. Just like the lovie era, the tressman era, and on and on...
@@stevenbauer4799 "The Audible," finished him, the Bears fans should pray that The Virginia McCaskey Era ends soon, NOTHING'S changing until it does, PERIOD.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. Lions fans can only hope for a similar ending to the ford era with their nepotism too. To show how bad is their coaching nepostism is it once resulted in a line coach/bro in law of the coach driving thru a wendy's drive thru drunk and naked. And i don't know who is more senile?...virginia or old lady martha who just turn things over to their siblings. I wonder how many kids brown in cincy has? or danny boy?
@@stevenbauer4799 Yet, somehow, they're the only team to beat Jimmy Johnson in the Playoffs with the Cowboys
No you are too easy on Schottenheimer on this one. You don't do that and he was known for being a d-bag. In today's NFL he would've gotten praised. But no he played in a time when they were over cautious. He got screwed by a d-bag coach. Happens a lot. Coaches think they're everything when they're not. Enjoying what's happening to the Patriots right now when Belichick decided Tom wasn't worth it and without Belichick Tom would be nothing.
Looked like a Mahomes pass
You need to slow down your narration. It's hard to understand you.
No pleasing some people I guess
I see where Schottenheimer was coming from, though. That could've easily been a pick-6 for the Chargers and that would've drastically altered the complexion of the game. Earnest Byner bailed Danielson out of a bad decision.
Marty was not a motivational coach. He deserved to coach in Cleveland. He should have been rewarded by coaching in Philadelphia, with WC Fields as his Offensive Coordinator.
This ain’t it. As a Raiders fan I can certainly tell you, this ain’t it.
Nice
Well I have ALWAYS said that the Cleveland Browns weren't even good ENOUGH to be a 39.6. They should just SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
As soon as I saw Danielson try that throw, I immediately thought, "Dangerous pass!"
If that had been the way he drew it up and it got picked off, it would have qualified for Dumb Decisions in my book. But since it was a touchdown, all's well that ends well. Almost.
The way I figure it, a bad result leads to defeat, and, a good result leads to arrogance/complacency, it's a no-win situation.
As soon as I saw that knuckle-headed throw, I immediately thought "Brett Favre!"
@@Jelperman Brett Favre won only one SB, that's truly surprising, and, yet, not.
Marty’s legacy will always be can’t win the big games and drove Brees out of San Diego.
Is this the same atrocious color commentator who does the SEC on CBS?
Yes
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I'd say his play at quarterback was better than his time in the broadcast booth...or he could've stayed at Northwestern.
I'm with Coach... terrible play. Got very lucky... ball should have been picked off and could have been a Pick-6.
That and I miss the old baseball field in the middle of the gridiron look.
Yeah, it's better to be lucky than good, but, at the same time, while, luck's a good thing to have, only a fool counts on it.
Tiresome delivery and you take FOREVER to get to the point. Shameless plugs for your other mediocre videos be damned