@@michaelgarofalo6231 well that's just the American steam locomotives were built it not there fault that they aren't built beautiful unlike the British locomotives and they were built like that to look really useful and American steam locomotives pulled more heavier trains than the British locomotives
_"The Camelback's cab astride the boiler design raised concerns for its crew. The engineer was perched above the side-rods of the locomotive, vulnerable to swinging and flying metal if anything rotating below should break. In addition, the fireman was exposed to the elements at the rear."_ -Wiki.
Vincent Berkan yeah, safety things with the firemen dying of exposure, broken rods coming though the cab floor pinning the (dead) engineer to the roof/boiler. Also you could bake a cake in those cabs.
Among other issues, such as if the boiler (heaven forbid) exploded, the engineer’s corpse was now a bullet flying into (and through) anything on the right side of the train
@@SamsTrains fun fact hudsons are one of the smaller american locomotives atleast compaired to the 4-12-2s ( the loco on my profile picture) and big boys witch are gigantic locos
There is something nice about American locomotives. They are just so large! A few American locomotives are in service e.g. the class 67. Correct me if I'm wrong! EDIT: thanks for the comments too Sam and have a nice day to both of you!
They’re built for distance and power. The Hudson had 10K more torques than, say, “Flying Scotsman”, with roughly equal maximum speeds, yet had to make a one way journey that was longer than Scotsman’s round trip. The engine would have coupled on at Croton-on-Hudson, which incidentally remains the northern end of electrification on the line out of Grand Central Terminal, and run through to Chicago, covering about 930 miles one way (the route of the old 20the Century Lemited was roughly 960 miles, but I was discounting the 32 miles pulled by an electric locomotive). If my math and map reading are up to snuff, that’s about a run from London to Edinburgh, back down to London and then back to about Doncaster.
@@SamsTrains The Class 59s were US-built. The Class 66s were built at the former GMD (General Motors Diesel Division) plant in London, Ontario, after GM sold it off and it became known as EMD. I used to photograph some of them (and other locomotives for Canadian, US, and Mexican railways) parked outside of the factory and in the former and once-again CN yard in Stratford on their way to port. The other half of GMD built wheeled armoured vehicles. General Dynamics now owns the whole factory, and has increased production of much-improved wheeled armoured vehicles for Canadian, US, and many other users.
The Special livery for the GS-4 was also on #4449. It was painted red, white, and blue, and called the "American Freedom Train" for our Bicentennial in 1975-76.
@@kiwitrainguythat’s the French/American Friendship Train you’re talking about. The American Freedom Train was a celebratory event to celebrate the bicentennial of America’s claim of independence from British rule. The American Freedom Train was pulled by Philadelphia & Reading T1 2101 for the eastern part of the journey, followed by Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 610 for the midwestern section, and finally SP GS4 4449 for the western part. The train carried significant documents from American history.
That PRR loco is a USRA Pacific, not the K4s that Pennsylvania Railroad actually used. The PRR was well known for almost all of its locomotives having the distinctive squared firebox, known as a belpaire firebox (something commonly found on Brit locos!). Sadly a lot of model makers today take a USRA design, slap a Pennsy logo on the tender and sell it. While the PRR did have USRA designs on its roads, they were almost exclusively from other roads they took over. Only a handful of other designs, such as the J1 class and N2s were built as new for the railroad outside the Pennsy standard Yes i do realize im 4 years late here haha
4449’s appearance in _Tough Guys_ is also worth noting. One of the most iconic scenes in the movie is when the locomotive steams towards the Mexican border. That shot was actually done with a bit of camera trickery. The real locomotive was shot head-on, then a model was used to show the crash.
Thank you Sam for running a hand full of American type locomotives. Especially a few special ones( a camel back, Daylight, and Hudson). I am an ERIE Railroad enthusiast. It was a thousand mile RR, and is almost forgotten. NO steam locomotive of that RR was saved ! I built a 1903 Erie Atlantic 4-4-2 in 1 1/2 inch scale live steam. A proper coal burner. Thank you again for running some American type engines.
Sam: Technically, your “camelback” is more correctly known as a “mother Hubbard”, since a true camelback had the cab on top of the boiler. Bob Nicholson
@@SamsTrains be sure to mention southern railway 4501 and Savannah & Atlanta 750. Flying Scotsman actually met up with these two steamers in an event called Steam-O-Rama. Broadway Limited Imports makes a good model of 4501 that is accurate for the time. The model is around $400 with dcc and sound, but well worth the cost in running quality.
Hi Sam. Finally, a show where I recognize and feel at home with the Motive Power you are running. I watch to see the UK style trains but they just aren't quite "at home" to me. They are interesting to learn about which is why I have your channel as a Fave. I hope the Euro watchers see these things daily and learn something about trains from my side of "The Pond".
@@thebigengine There are three countries in North America: Canada, Mexico, and the United States. All of them are American countries and all of their citizens are technically Americans. I realise that the term "American" is sometimes used to represent only the US, but it is incorrect. The term "European" doesn't just refer to Germany or France, but to all Europeans, irregardless of nationality. The same with "Asian".
My pleasure.:) I am sorry also you threw away that Diamond Stack 4-4-0 a while back. Also surprised you did not squeeze in your Berkshire you had in this running. Also the mouthful of the Milwaukee railroad had a simpler name which was a nickname but a semi-adopted brand, it was also know as simply _"The Milwaukee Road"_ . In addition some have commented the pronunciation of the Wabash in which it is said as Wau-Bash.
This was enjoyable. I just found your channel today. Entertaining. I live in the American west, in Nevada. I was out of the hobby since the early 90s, but starting to get back into it. I model mostly diesel from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, stuff I remember from when I was a kid. But I still thoroughly enjoyed this video.
I dig that camelback. Such a weird design. Are you planning a review on it? And speaking of weird American steam locomotives; I’d love for you to eventually take a look at the geared logging locomotives, such as the Shay, Heisler and Climax, which were integral to the logging industry in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in North America, Australia and New Zealand. Aside from cog locomotives, reckon you’ll never see a weirder trio of steam locomotives!
Yeah me too - it's just awesome - and I'll be sure to review it! :D I would love a logging loco too - that's definitely on my list! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains the old Bachmann Spectrum 3-truck shay would be a good option. They are normally valued at $300+ but they make up for it in performance. They aren’t very fast but that’s how shays are.
Sam'sTrains keep up your videos, I collect post ww2 3rail O-gauge. And have 2 Hudson’s. You should do more American engines and rolling stock if you can find them. Ebay is good for almost everything lol
@@SamsTrains there are a lot more B&O locomotive models than you would expect. Bachmann makes USRA light mikados in B&O, AHM makes the B&O 2-10-2 big six, and Broadway Limited makes B&O 2-8-0s just to name a few.
Internet was not well trying to watch this video, and I have not been well today but this video cheered me up. Thanks! I also sent an email with pictures of my completed P-51D
Wow, thanks for the surprise acknowledgement! While they may not be the most accurate models on earth, they certainly look the part and run great! Fantastic value for money. You've built a nice collection, I'm sure it will grow over the years. I'll be here to help anytime as usual.
My pleasure Andrew - thank you too for all your generosity and information! Yeah for the money I paid, I'm very happy with all of these! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Personally my favorite locomotives (and coincidentally ones I'd love to watch) are the Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 Big Boy and the New York Central 4-8-4 Niagara. The Niagra in fact was so well balanced that two men could push engine and tender and it also rivaled the efficiency of the diesel. Despite this, the Big Boy is still my favorite. An idea would be to have a competition of some sort between American and English engines. Three other interesting locomotives in my opinion are the Union Pacific 4-12-2 9000 Class locomotive, the Santa Fe (technically Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe) 2-10-4 Texas class locomotive, and the Virginian Triplex locomotives. Greetings from the deep South in the good ole U.S.
My favorite is the Union Pacific e7 units well for the diesel side of railroading my favorite steam loco is the lovely Union Pacific 3985 witch hasn’t ran in over 10 years
For me, I might have to go with Union Pacific with some of the types of locos they used before fully converting to diesel plus those sleek yellow-green-grey passenger cars
The "Wa" in Wabash is pronounced like the"wau" in Milwaukee. "Lima" pronounced leema. The Daylight livery is exceptional, but CN loco is very appealing, too.
Hey, Sam that Hudson you talked about, that's actually a Milwaukee Road class F6 Baltic locomotive. A total of 22 were built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works between January and March of 1930. 14 were F6 units with the feedwater heater coffin flush in the smokebox, and 8 were F6-a units with a Wilson Water Conditioner. They served with the Milwaukee Road until being retired between 1952 and 1954, and all of them were scrapped.
A charming production that underscores the simple love of model trains. The Camelback had a large coal grate to permit the burning of a cheap coal called Anthracite. Because it burned poorly, a larger fire grate was needed to raise steam. Placing the cab over the drive rods resulted in horrific results when the rods came detached; Widow Makers. This production shows me that British locomotives are unsurpassed for grace and beauty.
To my knowledge, the PRR very rarely mounted lanterns on the front of the smoke box, as that was usually where they put their iconic red and gold number plaques.
Although I would have really loved to see the Union Pacific Big boy, I understand that it is both semi rare and really expansive. I guess that’s what happens for being the biggest steam engine in the world lol. 😀 anyway great video!
It depends whether you're talking about the model or the real thing. Several manufacturers have made models of the Big Boy and I think some are currently available (Marklin/Trix, Athern, Broadway Limited Imports). As for the real thing 8 were preserved and 4014 is now running on the mainline (since 2019).
Haha you did it! I don't know if you remember my comment about the President's Choice train sets on your Bachmann Prairie review but that green Canadian National engine was one of the locomotives out of those train sets I was talking about. Turns out you had one all along. I believe the set that particular engine came out of was called the Bullet Nosed Express because of that cone shaped smokebox. Glad you got your hands on one without having to get the terrible cheap rolling stock with it, the cars in those sets were so light they barely stayed on the tracks!
Hey Kyle, yeah I remember your comment - I didn't know it was that engine though!! That's very awesome - glad I was able to show what you asked for! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This is as American as a deep-fried apple pie served by a bald eagle at a Dallas Cowboys game on the Fourth of July with red, white, and blue fireworks setting off in the distance. Though, in terms of the rolling stock, you *did* have to take a few liberties. Get it? Liberty? Because America? I’ll see myself out.
B and o stands for Baltimore and Ohio. It is one of my favorite rail companies although it goes by the new name of csx. My great great grandfather worked as a conductor for b and o. Also I have seen this locomotive in the b and o railroad museum in Baltimore and it does in fact look nothing like that
J-1 hudsons were built for the new york central railroad and its unusual to see it in a scheme for another railroad, the Chicago Milwaukee, st paul and pacific, was know simply as "the Milwaukee road", another tidbit is camel backs were also known as "mother hubbard" locomotives
Great running session Sam, although it may look weird I wouldn't worry too much about American locos with British stock, I often run my G Gauge American 0-4-0 Porter with Swiss and German stock! George
4449 is my favorite engine ever made and it's a wonderful model. I had the same bachmann one when I was a kid. They other livery for it is the American freedom train. The engine was restored into working condition for the bicentennial voyage in 1976. It was truly an engine that is very important to my nations history. Thank you Sam for featuring it for us! Cheers!
@@SamsTrains thank you for replying buddy! You should get 2 more great American locos if you can. The big boy (that was just put back into service) and the 844. Both are union Pacific. They are really wonderful locos
Hey Sam, Hornby or Bachmann (I forgot which one made it) has just made a new OO Gauge Big Boy!!!!! Please can you get one and review it because you are the best TH-camr ever!!!!
And also number 6060 was preserved in the 1960s in later in the 1980 was bought by Alberton government and I'm now runs on the Alberta Prairie Railway in Alberta Canada
Hearing the word dismantled and steam locomotive in the same sentence always hurts my heart. I could never dismantle a perfectly functional steam loco. They’re just too damn elegant and powerful. True poetry in motion.
I wonder how much trouble you will get into showing a Canadian engine in a video titled 'USA locos' you should have been cleaver and title it 'North American locos' ;-)
"It is a 4-8-2, which is quite an unusual wheel configuration." 4-8-2 Mountains/Mohawks were the standard fast freight locos of the New York Central (four-wheel leading trucks allow for faster speeds than a 2-8-2 Mikado can do), and were the standard mixed-use locomotives of the Pennsylvania Railroad.
I know that this is coming almost two years late, but living next door to the B&O and visiting them all the time as a child firmly implanted the meaning into my brain and never made me think of people not knowing what it stood for your videos are also seriously making me think about getting back into model railroading after so many years
HAHAHA YES, I LOVE THE U-1-F (the Canadian National steamer)! When did you buy it? I'd love to see the review on it if you have one planned! PS: there are 3 examples of the U-1-f left, 6060 is being restored in Alberta and has been in working order since 1986! 6069 is on static display outside in Sarnia in Ontario and word is (I don't know how true this is) there are efforts to restore 6069 and 6077 is on static display in Strafford Ontario. All 3 of them still have the iconic bullet nose!
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Correct - and Capreol is a 538 kilometre/334 mile drive (via the quickest route) from Stratford. The nearest preserved locomotive to Stratford is 6167, a CNR U-2-e 4-8-4 preserved in Guelph, 74 kilometres away. Sadly, Stratford, once a major CNR division point and home to the largest steam CNR locomotive overhaul and repair shop, has no preserved locomotive to honour that part of its heritage. The CNR "Big Shop" remains, but is empty and deteriorating.
The special livery of the gs-4 is the American freedom train. The 4449 was hauled out of a park and restored to running condition for it. Where it ran as a national celebration of the bicentennial of the USA in 1976. It was given custom painted passenger cars to go with it. Afterwards it was painted back to its normal Daylight paint. But it was repainted back to the freedom train for a short period in 2002(I think) as a memorial to 9/11.
Camelbacks have always been my favorite. They're relatively rare (only 5 of any type surviving in original configuration in the US I believe), very unique, and happened to be used by my hometown railroad the Delaware & Hudson all the way up to the end of steam on that line in 1953. They were used in pretty much any early wheel configuration you can think of from the Reading's 0-4-0 class A-4-b switchers to D&H's massive 2-8-0 class E-5, Erie even built a class of 0-8-8-0 locomotives. The Wootten firebox was developed to burn anthracite coal waste as an alternative to more expensive and much dirtier bituminous, and as you said the firebox was so tall and wide they thought it more practical to move the engineer's cab to the middle. As technology progressed and more equipment like generators, automatic stokers, and feedwater heaters were shoved under the cab thereby raising it's height the center cab became unnecessary. That and the Federal Railroad Administration banned new construction after 1927 due to safety concerns. As far as I can tell Mehano based their 2-6-0 off New York, Ontario, & Western's class U locomotive, several of which were either bought secondhand or leased to other railroads as well. If/when you decide to do a review of it you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding good photos of that class, I think it was their most numerous camelback.
Might be my mind being set very heavily in favor of function > form, but I always preferred the industrial look of our steamers to the more fancy look of UK steamers.
@@SamsTrains They're also far more imposing since they have a much larger loading gauge to work with and tended to pull much longer, heavier trains besides. Just this big, towering, monolithic behemoth with an unfathomable amount of power and not a single part wasted belching steam and smoke from seemingly every orifice. It's like a steel god is bearing down on you. I kinda want to see Tornado and UP 844 take a trip to France, lash up to some excursion trains, and run down the TGV tracks with the regulators pinned wide open and the fireboxes running white hot. Head to head steam loco race, finest on our rails, finest on ya'll's, with the grand prize being a world record for fastest steam locomotive pulling an actual train! And then maybe a rematch when that PRR T1 that's being built finally gets completed, but she won't be railworthy for over a decade sad to say. OH! On that note, it'd be pretty sweet if you had a model of a PRR T1 for your railway. 4-4-4-4, oddball wheel config, unofficially the fastest steam locomotive in the world.
Amazing running session with USA locomotives! Hopefully you can do reviews on these new USA locomotives soon! :) And hopefully you can buy some American rolling stock soon!
The Anthracite Roads (Lehigh Valley, Lackawanna, Erie, and others) ran loads of Camelbacks; the wide firebox evidently worked better with the hard anthracite coal. Neat to see one on here! The Pacific is a standard USRA Light Pacific, which the B&O was the biggest user of; oddly, the Pacific would be far more accurate for the B&O than the Camelback is! PRR had mostly homegrown locomotives, including a very prolific class of homegrown Pacific that looked quite British thanks to its Belpaire firebox and stubby cab. Either way, great to see some US stuff!
Hey Sam, you ought to keep your eyes peeled for Mantua Atlantic 4-4-2’s... saw an ad for them in an old magazine I bought, and they look like something that would be up your alley and also had quite a few different varieties to model different prototypes.
Hi! I love your videos! Id highly recommend purchasing a USA engine from the maker "Broadway Limited Imports" or "Proto 2000" if you want to see all that American trains got to offer. Bachmann and IHC/Mehano, the engines you got, while decent, are far from the level of detail and running characteristics from the brands mentioned above, not to mention heavily overpriced for what you get. They are "train set quality" if you get what I mean. Enjoy!
I own a few of these locos - Very surreal seeing them here! I absolutely love anthracite locomotives ("Camelbacks") and I have been trying to find one of the AHM 2-6-0s and I'm in the slow process of converting another loco into one. They're such Victorian looking things, with their less than safe crew setup. Very nice to see one here! Some random facts about the Camelbacks; - The faster ones usually had two firemen as was common on a lot of late 19th century express locos - Some of those larger camelbacks were fitted with a "Speaking tube" mounted between the two cabs to retain communication between the engineer and firemen, a bit like a steamship. - A massive 0-8-8-0 version was commissioned for the Erie Railroad, although I'd imagine it would have been pretty terrible to fire - The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad crews referred to Camelbacks as "Snappers", as the driving cab being sat right above the driving rods presented a huge danger to the crew should a rod bearing break. - There's least one recorded incident of a Camelback locomotive running away due to the engineer passing out and nobody realizing until it was too late. - It's illegal to build any new Camelbacks, but not illegal to operate them or rebuild them. If a replica were to be commissioned, it would have to have at least one original part to be considered legal.
That's great to hear - glad to have shown some of your own engines! I love the Camelbacks too - just fantastic looking things! Good luck with the conversion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oh yes - I immediately recognized that 4-6-2, as mine is equally "grumpy", although strangely, despite lubricating it in different ways and making all kinds of adjustments, the valve gear on these seems a bit stiff. Thank you! Hopefully if all goes well, I can get some videos of the converted loco once it's completed.
The Camelback has an astride cab because of the anthracite coal smoke was too thick to see in the back cab. They were mainly used on the East Coast because anthracite coal was mined on the East Coast of America.
That Pennsylvania pacific is a USRA light 4-6-2, a standardized design. Model companies love the USRA stuff because many railroads bought them and it's therefore appropriate to use the same tooling to produce a load of different models. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania railroad was famous for it's Pacifics, but never owned any of USRA design.
Great Video, Sam. Here's some help on what you have there: Southern Pacific GS-4 No. 4449: The "Special Livery" you couldn't remember, is the "American Freedom Train" livery of 1975/1976 and 2001/2002. The locomotive was selected to pull the Bicentennial celebration train, over most of the route across the 48 Continuous States. It' again wore the scheme, in 2001/2002, after the September 11th, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. It's Based out of Portland, Oregon, still runs a few times a year (double-heads with another Portland loco, Spokane, Portland & Seattle E-1 No. 700; a clone of Northern Pacific's A-3 class- the SP&S was a Subsidiary of the Great Northern Railway and NP!), and it's one of my favorites, as my Father got to see it in 1976, in his Army Days. These were "Destreamlined" during/after WW2, as the SP had to say that the "GS" stood for "General Service" rather than "Golden State". a "War Baby" (term for steam locomotives built during WW2, with heavier materials, instead of sought-after light-weight alloys), GS-6, No. 4460, "The Forgotten Daylight," is preserved at the Transportation Museum in Kirkwood, Missouri, near St. Louis. The 4-4-0, is based also on a Southern Pacific Design. The 4-6-2 Pacific, is based off of the USRA Light Pacific design of WW1 vintage. It was a very popular design, among the "Government Standard" designs put down by Mr. McAdoo (the Infamous Woodrow Wilson's son-in-law!). One, belonging to the Atlantic Coast Line, is Preserved in Florida. Mehano locomotives are on the less-expensive and generic side of things; I have a Pacific like that, and it runs okay. Just go easy and be loving with the machine; Pacifics were commonly used in light freight duties in flatlands, so don't worry about it hauling freight. The 4-6-4 Hudson, was an adaptation of the Mehano special-made "President's Choice" train sets that the Canadian food brand, released over the years. The Hudson in-particular, was a Canadian National K-5-a, of 1930. It was the second largest of the 3 Classes of Canadian Hudson-type locomotives (Canadian Pacific's H-1 class: 65, including the non-streamlined, and streamlined "Royal Hudsons"; CNR K-5-a class: 5 ; Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo J-1/ex-NYC J-1: 2). Two of the K-5-a Class, are preserved in Canada. Fun Fact, the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific ("The Milwaukee Road") originally conceived the 4-6-4 Hudson, as the "Baltic" type in 1925, but went Bankrupt, and the New York Central, introduced them in 1927, and became the "Hudson" type, because they raced along the Hudson River, north of the New York City electrified division's end. The F-6 class of the Milwaukee Road (which this is supposed to "resemble"), were the only Hudson-types to operate in the American Pacific Northwest (my Grandfather worked for the o'l Milwaukee Road, thus I have a strong affection for the line.). The Camelback Mogul (2-6-0) may be an adaptation of the Mehano SP 2-6-0 Mogul, but looks like some later machines. Camelbacks were actually outlawed from construction of new locomotives, due to the dangers of the position of the Engineer's cab (boiler explosions) and the difficulties of communication with the Firemen in their precarious positions. The real Canadian National No. 6060, is preserved in Operating Condition in Alberta, Canada. The U-1-f class are also known as "Bullet-Nose Bettys" because of the Nose-Cone resembling women's "Bullet Bras" from the 40's and 50's, as well as their speed and capabilities pulling trains. There are 3 Preserved across Canada, including No. 6060. Hope this helps you out, for future videos, Sam. Cheers, and keep up the good work!
Hey Nikolaus, thanks so much for all of this useful information - that really will be a big help when I come to review some of these engines! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains , you're more than welcome. If you ever need more info on Railroading "Across the Pond," I'll be more than ready to help. I've been watching your videos for a few years now, and I like your humor and easy-going layout. It's all wonderful! Cheers, and keep up the good work.
That special GS4 livery you mentioned is the American Freedom Train; Souther Pacific #4449, along with Reading Railroad #2001, served as motive power to haul what has to be among the patriotic train in history, the American Freedom Train, which criss-crossed the nation in 1976 to mark the USA's bicentennial hauling various pieces of prominent Americana (ie the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, the Liberty Bell, etc) in a bunch of old baggage cars that had been repainted in a glorious red, white, and blue paint scheme.
The camelback's cab astride the boiler design raised concerns for its crew. The engineers was perched above the side rods of the locomotive vulnerable to swinging and flying metal if anything rotating below should break. In addition, the fireman was exposed to the elements at the rear so thats why its illegal
What a coincidence. I was just talking with a guy in Sarnia that helped restore the CN 6060 with the use of water pump from the train on display in Sarnia. Interesting story with the restoration. It was lead by a guy who was the last fireman on 6060 and was laid off while in Jasper. Without job he ended up in Ontario and after successful career was able to save 6060. (With the water pump from 6069 on display in Sarnia)
I always say this British locomotives look beautiful, American locomotives look powerful.
I agree - that's a good way to look at it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam'sTrains you can get the train cars that go with the daylight by broadway limited. Also you should get a SF I love that engine
American locomotives are also the biggest locomotives ever built bigger than British locomotives
Dylan Granger meh I’d rather have beauty over ridiculous size and American loco’s just aren’t practical in the uk
@@michaelgarofalo6231 well that's just the American steam locomotives were built it not there fault that they aren't built beautiful unlike the British locomotives and they were built like that to look really useful and American steam locomotives pulled more heavier trains than the British locomotives
7:57 It's also to note that it's been illegal to build new camelback locomotives since 1927.
Ahh really?? I didn't know this - were they too dangerous then?!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
_"The Camelback's cab astride the boiler design raised concerns for its crew. The engineer was perched above the side-rods of the locomotive, vulnerable to swinging and flying metal if anything rotating below should break. In addition, the fireman was exposed to the elements at the rear."_ -Wiki.
Vincent Berkan yeah, safety things with the firemen dying of exposure, broken rods coming though the cab floor pinning the (dead) engineer to the roof/boiler. Also you could bake a cake in those cabs.
Among other issues, such as if the boiler (heaven forbid) exploded, the engineer’s corpse was now a bullet flying into (and through) anything on the right side of the train
@@Saucy-ws6jc lmao
Don't worry about the Hudson pulling freight. Milwaukee used them as mix traffic and the NYC used a lot on fast freight. So it's prototypical
Ahh that's good to hear Bryce - I'll have to remember that!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Also the box vans are mini boxcars lol
There like mini cupcakes! a mini version of a cupcake which of itself is already a mini version of a cake!
@@SamsTrains fun fact hudsons are one of the smaller american locomotives atleast compaired to the 4-12-2s ( the loco on my profile picture) and big boys witch are gigantic locos
That, and many American steam locomotives often served their last days hauling freight before being retired (stored or scrapped.)
There is something nice about American locomotives. They are just so large! A few American locomotives are in service e.g. the class 67. Correct me if I'm wrong!
EDIT: thanks for the comments too Sam and have a nice day to both of you!
Class 59 and 66 were built by EMD. You'd be surprised to know how many EMD and GE components are rolling around on UK equipment.
Thanks a lot for the comments! And yeah Andrew's right - those are US/Canadian(?) built I think! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
They’re built for distance and power. The Hudson had 10K more torques than, say, “Flying Scotsman”, with roughly equal maximum speeds, yet had to make a one way journey that was longer than Scotsman’s round trip.
The engine would have coupled on at Croton-on-Hudson, which incidentally remains the northern end of electrification on the line out of Grand Central Terminal, and run through to Chicago, covering about 930 miles one way (the route of the old 20the Century Lemited was roughly 960 miles, but I was discounting the 32 miles pulled by an electric locomotive).
If my math and map reading are up to snuff, that’s about a run from London to Edinburgh, back down to London and then back to about Doncaster.
@@SamsTrains The Class 59s were US-built. The Class 66s were built at the former GMD (General Motors Diesel Division) plant in London, Ontario, after GM sold it off and it became known as EMD. I used to photograph some of them (and other locomotives for Canadian, US, and Mexican railways) parked outside of the factory and in the former and once-again CN yard in Stratford on their way to port.
The other half of GMD built wheeled armoured vehicles. General Dynamics now owns the whole factory, and has increased production of much-improved wheeled armoured vehicles for Canadian, US, and many other users.
SD series locomotives are in USA
The Special livery for the GS-4 was also on #4449. It was painted red, white, and blue, and called the "American Freedom Train" for our Bicentennial in 1975-76.
Ahh yeah I remember that now - that's the one! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The Freedom Train collected food and materials from around the US just after the end of WW2 to send to Europe to help them rebuild.
@@kiwitrainguythat’s the French/American Friendship Train you’re talking about. The American Freedom Train was a celebratory event to celebrate the bicentennial of America’s claim of independence from British rule. The American Freedom Train was pulled by Philadelphia & Reading T1 2101 for the eastern part of the journey, followed by Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 610 for the midwestern section, and finally SP GS4 4449 for the western part. The train carried significant documents from American history.
That PRR loco is a USRA Pacific, not the K4s that Pennsylvania Railroad actually used. The PRR was well known for almost all of its locomotives having the distinctive squared firebox, known as a belpaire firebox (something commonly found on Brit locos!).
Sadly a lot of model makers today take a USRA design, slap a Pennsy logo on the tender and sell it. While the PRR did have USRA designs on its roads, they were almost exclusively from other roads they took over. Only a handful of other designs, such as the J1 class and N2s were built as new for the railroad outside the Pennsy standard
Yes i do realize im 4 years late here haha
4449’s appearance in _Tough Guys_ is also worth noting. One of the most iconic scenes in the movie is when the locomotive steams towards the Mexican border. That shot was actually done with a bit of camera trickery. The real locomotive was shot head-on, then a model was used to show the crash.
Ahh really?? I've not seen that, I'll be sure to look that up! :D
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speaking of southern pacific 4449 it is stored in portland oregon in the rail heritage museum
Thank you Sam for running a hand full of American type locomotives. Especially a few special ones( a camel back, Daylight, and Hudson). I am an ERIE Railroad enthusiast. It was a thousand mile RR, and is almost forgotten. NO steam locomotive of that RR was saved ! I built a 1903 Erie Atlantic 4-4-2 in 1 1/2 inch scale live steam. A proper coal burner. Thank you again for running some American type engines.
Sam: Technically, your “camelback” is more correctly known as a “mother Hubbard”, since a true camelback had the cab on top of the boiler.
Bob Nicholson
Ahh I see - thanks very much for the info Bob, appreciate it!
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Thank you Sam, you should review the Flying Scotsman USA 1969 special edition!
Thanks Bruce - that would be cool, I'll look out for one! :D
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@Garvin Neelyaren't hornby doing a new,but expensive version
@Garvin Neely oh is it gold. I didn't look in detail as it's too expensive for me lol
Would love to find a The Flying Scottsman USA 1969 Special Edition!
@@SamsTrains be sure to mention southern railway 4501 and Savannah & Atlanta 750. Flying Scotsman actually met up with these two steamers in an event called Steam-O-Rama. Broadway Limited Imports makes a good model of 4501 that is accurate for the time. The model is around $400 with dcc and sound, but well worth the cost in running quality.
Hi Sam. Finally, a show where I recognize and feel at home with the Motive Power you are running. I watch to see the UK style trains but they just aren't quite "at home" to me. They are interesting to learn about which is why I have your channel as a Fave. I hope the Euro watchers see these things daily and learn something about trains from my side of "The Pond".
haha that's great to hear Scott, glad you recognised a few of them! Thanks so much for the kind words! :D
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This is officially my favorite video ever on this channel :D
haha that's awesome - really glad you liked it! :D
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It's because of 4449 isn't it
“I’m going to run American locos”
Runs a Canadian National train
Canada is part of America.
Canada is it's own country. It is however in the continent of North America with the United States and Mexico
@@thebigengine There are three countries in North America: Canada, Mexico, and the United States. All of them are American countries and all of their citizens are technically Americans. I realise that the term "American" is sometimes used to represent only the US, but it is incorrect. The term "European" doesn't just refer to Germany or France, but to all Europeans, irregardless of nationality. The same with "Asian".
@@charlescurtis2915 Except no one ever says that. They are always referred to as North American countries.
Haha yeah that’s true, I never thought about that, oops!
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The _New Jersey Central_ had some Camelbacks and were well known for them.
Ahh very nice! I’ll have to look those up!
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My pleasure.:) I am sorry also you threw away that Diamond Stack 4-4-0 a while back.
Also surprised you did not squeeze in your Berkshire you had in this running.
Also the mouthful of the Milwaukee railroad had a simpler name which was a nickname but a semi-adopted brand, it was also know as simply _"The Milwaukee Road"_ .
In addition some have commented the pronunciation of the Wabash in which it is said as Wau-Bash.
Did you know that camelback in b&o colors is rare, i have only seen one before out of probobly 200 of the same model
It's rare because they most often get resprayed. They are a fantastic starting point for more accurate projects.
Ahh I didn't really know that - I might hold onto the livery on that one then!! :D
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This was enjoyable. I just found your channel today. Entertaining. I live in the American west, in Nevada. I was out of the hobby since the early 90s, but starting to get back into it. I model mostly diesel from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, stuff I remember from when I was a kid. But I still thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Hi again Sam, great to see a running session with some foreign engines. Makes a great change from the British locos, well done great vid!
Thanks very much mate - really glad you enjoyed this one for a change!! :D
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I dig that camelback. Such a weird design. Are you planning a review on it?
And speaking of weird American steam locomotives; I’d love for you to eventually take a look at the geared logging locomotives, such as the Shay, Heisler and Climax, which were integral to the logging industry in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in North America, Australia and New Zealand.
Aside from cog locomotives, reckon you’ll never see a weirder trio of steam locomotives!
Yeah me too - it's just awesome - and I'll be sure to review it! :D
I would love a logging loco too - that's definitely on my list! :D
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@@SamsTrains the old Bachmann Spectrum 3-truck shay would be a good option. They are normally valued at $300+ but they make up for it in performance. They aren’t very fast but that’s how shays are.
This is a video I've been waiting for, thanks sam
That's awesome Hubert - hope you like it! :D
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Sam, not only did the Hudson’s pull passenger cars they also pulled freight
Ahh awesome! That's okay then!! :D
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Sam'sTrains keep up your videos, I collect post ww2 3rail O-gauge. And have 2 Hudson’s. You should do more American engines and rolling stock if you can find them. Ebay is good for almost everything lol
Why don’t you do a running session with a The B&O/Baltimore and Ohio Trains
It'd be a bit short - I only have one or two! ;D
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I know it was just a idea maybe you’re biggest engines
@@SamsTrains there are a lot more B&O locomotive models than you would expect. Bachmann makes USRA light mikados in B&O, AHM makes the B&O 2-10-2 big six, and Broadway Limited makes B&O 2-8-0s just to name a few.
Internet was not well trying to watch this video, and I have not been well today but this video cheered me up. Thanks!
I also sent an email with pictures of my completed P-51D
Ahh sorry to hear about that mate - hope you're doing much better soon!
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You did good job with the American trains I enjoyed watching the video to get a different prospective about our train here in the USA.
Thanks very much Louis - glad you liked seeing these for a change!! :D
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But He Ran The Canadian National 6060 Which Is Canadian
Wow, thanks for the surprise acknowledgement! While they may not be the most accurate models on earth, they certainly look the part and run great! Fantastic value for money. You've built a nice collection, I'm sure it will grow over the years. I'll be here to help anytime as usual.
My pleasure Andrew - thank you too for all your generosity and information! Yeah for the money I paid, I'm very happy with all of these! :D
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Would be a blast seeing the GS-4, UP 844 and N&W 611 running on your layout! Loved this running session!
That would be awesome - I will keep an eye out for more! :D
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Personally my favorite locomotives (and coincidentally ones I'd love to watch) are the Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 Big Boy and the New York Central 4-8-4 Niagara. The Niagra in fact was so well balanced that two men could push engine and tender and it also rivaled the efficiency of the diesel. Despite this, the Big Boy is still my favorite. An idea would be to have a competition of some sort between American and English engines. Three other interesting locomotives in my opinion are the Union Pacific 4-12-2 9000 Class locomotive, the Santa Fe (technically Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe) 2-10-4 Texas class locomotive, and the Virginian Triplex locomotives. Greetings from the deep South in the good ole U.S.
@@SamsTrains there is footage on TH-cam of 844 & 4449 double heading. They are both mountain locomotives and both have 80" drivers.
@@warrenholmar1129 actually, they are northerns not mountains. Mountains are 4-8-2s not 4-8-4s
It's only a New York Hudson if it's on the NYC. That was a Milwaukee.
Ahh is it?? I stand corrected - thanks for letting me know! :D
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You keep apoliguising for the 4-6-4 hauling vans, but there's actually a hint of truth to it, just say it's an express goods. ;)
haha that's a good idea - I'll have to remember that one! ;D
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The Pennsylvania Pacifics were called K4s and 425 were built. I have an Atlantic Coast Line Pacific that also resembles the Wabash Pacifics.
Thanks very much for the info on this mate, appreciate it! :D
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1. Finally, it happens
2. Happy birthday to me and the Queen
haha absolutely! Blimey - you were born on the same day?!?! :O
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USA streamlined locos are cool too y know. My favorite is Daylight :D
My favorite is the 611
My favorite is the Union Pacific e7 units well for the diesel side of railroading my favorite steam loco is the lovely Union Pacific 3985 witch hasn’t ran in over 10 years
Hey they are very cool - I can't even pick a favourite!! :O
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Have you heard of the Pennsylvania rail road t1?
For me, I might have to go with Union Pacific with some of the types of locos they used before fully converting to diesel plus those sleek yellow-green-grey passenger cars
The "Wa" in Wabash is pronounced like the"wau" in Milwaukee.
"Lima" pronounced leema.
The Daylight livery is exceptional, but CN loco is very appealing, too.
No, in the US, Lima is usually pronounced "Lyma", just like the city in Ohio.
Thanks a lot for the info - I'll try to do better with my pronunciations, lol! ;D
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@Matthew Bacon I've heard Ohioans pronounce Lima in different ways.
"leema" is in Peru, "lima" is in Ohio.
mmm lets see if can pronounce "Santa Fe" right cause most people can't
Hey, Sam that Hudson you talked about, that's actually a Milwaukee Road class F6 Baltic locomotive. A total of 22 were built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works between January and March of 1930. 14 were F6 units with the feedwater heater coffin flush in the smokebox, and 8 were F6-a units with a Wilson Water Conditioner. They served with the Milwaukee Road until being retired between 1952 and 1954, and all of them were scrapped.
Nice video Sam about the USA locos!
Thank you Marco! :D
A charming production that underscores the simple love of model trains. The Camelback had a large coal grate to permit the burning of a cheap coal called Anthracite. Because it burned poorly, a larger fire grate was needed to raise steam. Placing the cab over the drive rods resulted in horrific results when the rods came detached; Widow Makers. This production shows me that British locomotives are unsurpassed for grace and beauty.
I love Daylight 4449 since Missoliverandblossom’s T&F Series
That's great to hear - it is an awesome thing! :D
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Sam'sTrains anytime dude
The green one is a real beauty and I like the choice of coaches
Thanks a lot Adrian - and glad you didn't mind the coaches, haha! ;D
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Great video mate! Sorry I haven't commented much recently, I've been quite busy. These locos are really nice... even if they're not LNER. ;)
Thanks so much, nice to hear from you again! Glad you liked these anyway, that's not bad for an LNER fan! ;D
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Why Not? I perfer great western locomotives
Ask, And you receive! Glad to see all The Americans running together! Hope to see more of this in the future! Keep Up The Good Work Sam!
haha awesome! Glad you liked it mate - I had a lot of fun with them! :D
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Good To Hear! Happy Easter My Friend!
I've seen the Daylight 4449 in real life, also Im helping my neighbor with is 3rd layout.
Ooh very nice - does the model do her justice?? That sounds great - hope it goes well for you!
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@@SamsTrains yes it does
To my knowledge, the PRR very rarely mounted lanterns on the front of the smoke box, as that was usually where they put their iconic red and gold number plaques.
So you're up in Scotland, Sam? How lovely!
haha!! ;D
The special livery you referenced for the Daylight was for the bicentennial train in 1976, the loco was repainted red white and blue.
Ahh that's it! Thanks for the info Kamden! :D
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@@SamsTrains I forgot the Freedom train was pulled by several locos. And the biggest one was the Marame Queen a 2-10-4 she survived in Texas.
Daylight is my favorite American locomotive, well actually, it's my favorite locomotive in general.
Great choice Toby - they are wonderful things! :D
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Really love seeing some norfolk and western coal cars on a British railroad always wanted to do that
Thank you! Yeah that was fun to try! :D
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@@SamsTrains no problem
Although I would have really loved to see the Union Pacific Big boy, I understand that it is both semi rare and really expansive. I guess that’s what happens for being the biggest steam engine in the world lol. 😀 anyway great video!
Yeah that's it - they're just so much money! Oh well - maybe one day!! :D
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Also they’re (as the name suggests) extremely big too.
It depends whether you're talking about the model or the real thing. Several manufacturers have made models of the Big Boy and I think some are currently available (Marklin/Trix, Athern, Broadway Limited Imports).
As for the real thing 8 were preserved and 4014 is now running on the mainline (since 2019).
I doubt that it would even fit on Sam’s layout without derailing. It just doesn’t have enough articulation to make it around the tight curves.
Haha you did it! I don't know if you remember my comment about the President's Choice train sets on your Bachmann Prairie review but that green Canadian National engine was one of the locomotives out of those train sets I was talking about. Turns out you had one all along. I believe the set that particular engine came out of was called the Bullet Nosed Express because of that cone shaped smokebox. Glad you got your hands on one without having to get the terrible cheap rolling stock with it, the cars in those sets were so light they barely stayed on the tracks!
Hey Kyle, yeah I remember your comment - I didn't know it was that engine though!! That's very awesome - glad I was able to show what you asked for! :D
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This is as American as a deep-fried apple pie served by a bald eagle at a Dallas Cowboys game on the Fourth of July with red, white, and blue fireworks setting off in the distance.
Though, in terms of the rolling stock, you *did* have to take a few liberties. Get it? Liberty? Because America?
I’ll see myself out.
'MURICA!!! Hell yeah!
haha very nicely done sir ;D
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The box vans are mini boxcars
You forgot the F-15s flying over head for added affect.
B and o stands for Baltimore and Ohio. It is one of my favorite rail companies although it goes by the new name of csx. My great great grandfather worked as a conductor for b and o. Also I have seen this locomotive in the b and o railroad museum in Baltimore and it does in fact look nothing like that
Thanks a lot for sharing mate - and that's awesome!! :O
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No views, 0 likes, 0 dislikes, and 2 comments. Truly, I am second.
haha, thanks for coming so early!! :O
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id have to say i hardly see any American locomotives running on your channel, but i have seen a GS-6 class locomotive a sister of daylight or 4449
Hi Sam I bought a flieschmann baggage wagon for 3 pound at a car boot
I like the Canadian loco it just looks odd
Blimey Lewis, that sounds like a bargain to me!! :D
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J-1 hudsons were built for the new york central railroad and its unusual to see it in a scheme for another railroad, the Chicago Milwaukee, st paul and pacific, was know simply as "the Milwaukee road", another tidbit is camel backs were also known as "mother hubbard" locomotives
Cool Mike, thanks very much for the info, appreciate it! :D
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Do an Australian loco running session please
Great suggestion, thanks for that! :D
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Great running session Sam, although it may look weird I wouldn't worry too much about American locos with British stock, I often run my G Gauge American 0-4-0 Porter with Swiss and German stock!
George
That's good to hear George - I'm glad other people do that too, and not just me! ;D
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I was hoping for the S100 Granite Rock co 10
Ooh yeah? That sounds awesome - I'll have to look into that! :D
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4449 is my favorite engine ever made and it's a wonderful model. I had the same bachmann one when I was a kid. They other livery for it is the American freedom train. The engine was restored into working condition for the bicentennial voyage in 1976. It was truly an engine that is very important to my nations history. Thank you Sam for featuring it for us! Cheers!
That's great to hear mate - I really like that one too! Ahh yeah that's the one - what a great livery that was! :D
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@@SamsTrains thank you for replying buddy! You should get 2 more great American locos if you can. The big boy (that was just put back into service) and the 844. Both are union Pacific. They are really wonderful locos
Greeting from the east sea! (Germany) nice video too!
Greetings from the UK Patrick!
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The 4-6-2 Pacific locomotives were used by most railroad companies, they made up the largest portion of American steam engines
Ahh interesting - thanks for the info! :D
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@@SamsTrains I wish I could tell you more but there where so many types built its really hard to tell which it could be
Good idea video running session
Sir Nigel Gresly session....it sounded better in my head
Good news I thought of a better title Greeley’s finest
Thanks very much Caleb - haha that's a good idea! :D
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YES! Thank you! I really love the 4-4-0 since I’m a huge early American locomotive fan! The camelback is rather pretty in my opinion.
haha my pleasure Nate - glad you liked this one - and yeah I like the Camelback too! :D
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B and o stands for Baltimore and Ohio
It does indeed! :D
Hey Sam, Hornby or Bachmann (I forgot which one made it) has just made a new OO Gauge Big Boy!!!!! Please can you get one and review it because you are the best TH-camr ever!!!!
Yes Hornby did - though it wasn't new - I would love to try one though! :D
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Also love the running session of my home counties engine! (even though i like British locos better lol)
That's great to hear mate - really glad you liked it! :D
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Cool
And also number 6060 was preserved in the 1960s in later in the 1980 was bought by Alberton government and I'm now runs on the Alberta Prairie Railway in Alberta Canada
Duly noted!! Thanks again for letting me know! :D
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I did enjoy that, even though I do much prefer British steam.
Great video sam 👍
That's fair enough George - I'll be back to British stuff soon! :D
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That is a usra light Pacific built during the first World War through to the 1920s
Ahh duly noted! Thanks for the info mate! :D
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Let’s pay respect to are fallen engines 🇺🇸
Yeah - sadly lots of these are now gone :(
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Hearing the word dismantled and steam locomotive in the same sentence always hurts my heart. I could never dismantle a perfectly functional steam loco. They’re just too damn elegant and powerful. True poetry in motion.
Yeah I agree - it's a great shame :(
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I wonder how much trouble you will get into showing a Canadian engine in a video titled 'USA locos' you should have been cleaver and title it 'North American locos' ;-)
haha I know - I didn't consider that until it was too late, lol! ;D
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"It is a 4-8-2, which is quite an unusual wheel configuration."
4-8-2 Mountains/Mohawks were the standard fast freight locos of the New York Central (four-wheel leading trucks allow for faster speeds than a 2-8-2 Mikado can do), and were the standard mixed-use locomotives of the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Thanks John, I’m sure they were numerous in the US, but it’s not a configuration we saw very often over in the UK!
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Beans And Onions?
Yep I'm certain that's correct 😂
hahaha! xD
Onions have layers. Ogers have layers.
The "camel back" was featured in the game you played called railroad tycoon last year
That's very true!! I'd forgotten all about that!! :O
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Camelback = Handsomely unattractive but I think that's exacerbated by the livery of your loco.
haha I agree - the livery was definitely a bit questionable on that one! ;D
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I know that this is coming almost two years late, but living next door to the B&O and visiting them all the time as a child firmly implanted the meaning into my brain and never made me think of people not knowing what it stood for
your videos are also seriously making me think about getting back into model railroading after so many years
Oh wow lucky you - I'd love to visit there one day! I'd recommend it - it's great fun! :D
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Hi sam can you do another vs video with Mavis?? Like if u agree
Yeah sure - I can do that at some point! :D
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I was once a volunteer for the SP&S 700, which is housed in the same shed as SP4449.
Oh lucky you - that's awesome! :D
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I don’t like them but I love the video
Samuel
No worries Samuel - thanks for watching anyway!
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HAHAHA YES, I LOVE THE U-1-F (the Canadian National steamer)! When did you buy it? I'd love to see the review on it if you have one planned!
PS: there are 3 examples of the U-1-f left, 6060 is being restored in Alberta and has been in working order since 1986! 6069 is on static display outside in Sarnia in Ontario and word is (I don't know how true this is) there are efforts to restore 6069 and 6077 is on static display in Strafford Ontario. All 3 of them still have the iconic bullet nose!
Thanks very much Daniel, yeah absolutely, I’ll be reviewing it soon!
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6077 is in capreol at a railway museum, my dad saw it
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Correct - and Capreol is a 538 kilometre/334 mile drive (via the quickest route) from Stratford.
The nearest preserved locomotive to Stratford is 6167, a CNR U-2-e 4-8-4 preserved in Guelph, 74 kilometres away.
Sadly, Stratford, once a major CNR division point and home to the largest steam CNR locomotive overhaul and repair shop, has no preserved locomotive to honour that part of its heritage.
The CNR "Big Shop" remains, but is empty and deteriorating.
You can see where British rail got the design ideas for the 9F from with some of the larger American locomotives in this video.
haha absolutely - the 9F does look very similar to a few of these! :D
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2 of my favourite steam locomotives are here, the GS-4 and the CNR U1-F!
That's awesome!! Really hope you enjoyed seeing them! :D
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@@SamsTrains ive actually seen that engine, 6060, in real life, as its the provincial steam locomotive of my province, Alberta!
Love these huge USA locomotives have a few in my collection
Fantastic - they are awesome aren't they?! :D
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The special livery of the gs-4 is the American freedom train. The 4449 was hauled out of a park and restored to running condition for it. Where it ran as a national celebration of the bicentennial of the USA in 1976. It was given custom painted passenger cars to go with it. Afterwards it was painted back to its normal
Daylight paint. But it was repainted back to the freedom train for a short period in 2002(I think) as a memorial to 9/11.
Ahh yes I remember reading that now - thanks a lot for the info! :D
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Camelbacks have always been my favorite. They're relatively rare (only 5 of any type surviving in original configuration in the US I believe), very unique, and happened to be used by my hometown railroad the Delaware & Hudson all the way up to the end of steam on that line in 1953. They were used in pretty much any early wheel configuration you can think of from the Reading's 0-4-0 class A-4-b switchers to D&H's massive 2-8-0 class E-5, Erie even built a class of 0-8-8-0 locomotives. The Wootten firebox was developed to burn anthracite coal waste as an alternative to more expensive and much dirtier bituminous, and as you said the firebox was so tall and wide they thought it more practical to move the engineer's cab to the middle. As technology progressed and more equipment like generators, automatic stokers, and feedwater heaters were shoved under the cab thereby raising it's height the center cab became unnecessary. That and the Federal Railroad Administration banned new construction after 1927 due to safety concerns.
As far as I can tell Mehano based their 2-6-0 off New York, Ontario, & Western's class U locomotive, several of which were either bought secondhand or leased to other railroads as well. If/when you decide to do a review of it you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding good photos of that class, I think it was their most numerous camelback.
Me too now - I think they're awesome things! Thanks a lot for the comment, and the info! :D
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Fun fact: That Erie 0-8-8-0 had the largest ever hand-fired grate: 100 sq ft, it was fired by two firemen!
Might be my mind being set very heavily in favor of function > form, but I always preferred the industrial look of our steamers to the more fancy look of UK steamers.
That's fair enough - there is a lot to be said for that industrial look!
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@@SamsTrains They're also far more imposing since they have a much larger loading gauge to work with and tended to pull much longer, heavier trains besides. Just this big, towering, monolithic behemoth with an unfathomable amount of power and not a single part wasted belching steam and smoke from seemingly every orifice. It's like a steel god is bearing down on you.
I kinda want to see Tornado and UP 844 take a trip to France, lash up to some excursion trains, and run down the TGV tracks with the regulators pinned wide open and the fireboxes running white hot. Head to head steam loco race, finest on our rails, finest on ya'll's, with the grand prize being a world record for fastest steam locomotive pulling an actual train!
And then maybe a rematch when that PRR T1 that's being built finally gets completed, but she won't be railworthy for over a decade sad to say.
OH! On that note, it'd be pretty sweet if you had a model of a PRR T1 for your railway. 4-4-4-4, oddball wheel config, unofficially the fastest steam locomotive in the world.
Amazing running session with USA locomotives! Hopefully you can do reviews on these new USA locomotives soon! :)
And hopefully you can buy some American rolling stock soon!
Thanks so much mate -yeah I'll be reviewing them pretty soon! :D
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The Anthracite Roads (Lehigh Valley, Lackawanna, Erie, and others) ran loads of Camelbacks; the wide firebox evidently worked better with the hard anthracite coal. Neat to see one on here! The Pacific is a standard USRA Light Pacific, which the B&O was the biggest user of; oddly, the Pacific would be far more accurate for the B&O than the Camelback is! PRR had mostly homegrown locomotives, including a very prolific class of homegrown Pacific that looked quite British thanks to its Belpaire firebox and stubby cab. Either way, great to see some US stuff!
Awesome! Thanks for all the info on those, I’ll have to read up on them!
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Hey Sam, you ought to keep your eyes peeled for Mantua Atlantic 4-4-2’s... saw an ad for them in an old magazine I bought, and they look like something that would be up your alley and also had quite a few different varieties to model different prototypes.
Thanks a lot for that - I would love to try one of those, I'll keep an eye out! :D
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I think it would be cool for you to do a British vs USA race.
That would be very cool actually!! :D
Hi! I love your videos! Id highly recommend purchasing a USA engine from the maker "Broadway Limited Imports" or "Proto 2000" if you want to see all that American trains got to offer. Bachmann and IHC/Mehano, the engines you got, while decent, are far from the level of detail and running characteristics from the brands mentioned above, not to mention heavily overpriced for what you get. They are "train set quality" if you get what I mean. Enjoy!
Thanks very much Charles - yeah I'd love to try a Broadway engine some time - they seem amazing!! :D
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@@SamsTrains you try getting a Pennsylvania railroad J1a and then do another running session for all your newer american locomotives
Nice little intro music for your running session with USA locomotives! It fits well with the theme of American Locomotives! :D
Thank you!! I thought it was the best choice for this one! :D
Id say the American Camelback Locomotive Steam Engine is such a gorgeous and unique train.
I agree!! I love the Camelbacks too! :D
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I own a few of these locos - Very surreal seeing them here!
I absolutely love anthracite locomotives ("Camelbacks") and I have been trying to find one of the AHM 2-6-0s and I'm in the slow process of converting another loco into one. They're such Victorian looking things, with their less than safe crew setup. Very nice to see one here!
Some random facts about the Camelbacks;
- The faster ones usually had two firemen as was common on a lot of late 19th century express locos
- Some of those larger camelbacks were fitted with a "Speaking tube" mounted between the two cabs to retain communication between the engineer and firemen, a bit like a steamship.
- A massive 0-8-8-0 version was commissioned for the Erie Railroad, although I'd imagine it would have been pretty terrible to fire
- The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad crews referred to Camelbacks as "Snappers", as the driving cab being sat right above the driving rods presented a huge danger to the crew should a rod bearing break.
- There's least one recorded incident of a Camelback locomotive running away due to the engineer passing out and nobody realizing until it was too late.
- It's illegal to build any new Camelbacks, but not illegal to operate them or rebuild them. If a replica were to be commissioned, it would have to have at least one original part to be considered legal.
That's great to hear - glad to have shown some of your own engines! I love the Camelbacks too - just fantastic looking things! Good luck with the conversion! :D
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@@SamsTrains Oh yes - I immediately recognized that 4-6-2, as mine is equally "grumpy", although strangely, despite lubricating it in different ways and making all kinds of adjustments, the valve gear on these seems a bit stiff.
Thank you! Hopefully if all goes well, I can get some videos of the converted loco once it's completed.
8:56 that is actually a USRA light Pacific and the design was used by many railroads in the USA
The Camelback has an astride cab because of the anthracite coal smoke was too thick to see in the back cab. They were mainly used on the East Coast because anthracite coal was mined on the East Coast of America.
Ahh thanks for this Mark - that makes sense!
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@@SamsTrains Your Welcome I'm always glad to help a fellow model engineer.
Good Luck,
Mark
That Pennsylvania pacific is a USRA light 4-6-2, a standardized design. Model companies love the USRA stuff because many railroads bought them and it's therefore appropriate to use the same tooling to produce a load of different models. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania railroad was famous for it's Pacifics, but never owned any of USRA design.
Thanks for sharing James, I was wondering about that one!
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Something I'd recommend investing in is a Bachmann GP40, they're pretty cheap if you look around often enough, they're very easy to come by on eBay.
Thanks very much for this - I'll be sure to look into that! :D
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Great Video, Sam. Here's some help on what you have there:
Southern Pacific GS-4 No. 4449: The "Special Livery" you couldn't remember, is the "American Freedom Train" livery of 1975/1976 and 2001/2002. The locomotive was selected to pull the Bicentennial celebration train, over most of the route across the 48 Continuous States. It' again wore the scheme, in 2001/2002, after the September 11th, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. It's Based out of Portland, Oregon, still runs a few times a year (double-heads with another Portland loco, Spokane, Portland & Seattle E-1 No. 700; a clone of Northern Pacific's A-3 class- the SP&S was a Subsidiary of the Great Northern Railway and NP!), and it's one of my favorites, as my Father got to see it in 1976, in his Army Days. These were "Destreamlined" during/after WW2, as the SP had to say that the "GS" stood for "General Service" rather than "Golden State". a "War Baby" (term for steam locomotives built during WW2, with heavier materials, instead of sought-after light-weight alloys), GS-6, No. 4460, "The Forgotten Daylight," is preserved at the Transportation Museum in Kirkwood, Missouri, near St. Louis.
The 4-4-0, is based also on a Southern Pacific Design.
The 4-6-2 Pacific, is based off of the USRA Light Pacific design of WW1 vintage. It was a very popular design, among the "Government Standard" designs put down by Mr. McAdoo (the Infamous Woodrow Wilson's son-in-law!). One, belonging to the Atlantic Coast Line, is Preserved in Florida. Mehano locomotives are on the less-expensive and generic side of things; I have a Pacific like that, and it runs okay. Just go easy and be loving with the machine; Pacifics were commonly used in light freight duties in flatlands, so don't worry about it hauling freight.
The 4-6-4 Hudson, was an adaptation of the Mehano special-made "President's Choice" train sets that the Canadian food brand, released over the years. The Hudson in-particular, was a Canadian National K-5-a, of 1930. It was the second largest of the 3 Classes of Canadian Hudson-type locomotives (Canadian Pacific's H-1 class: 65, including the non-streamlined, and streamlined "Royal Hudsons"; CNR K-5-a class: 5 ; Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo J-1/ex-NYC J-1: 2). Two of the K-5-a Class, are preserved in Canada. Fun Fact, the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific ("The Milwaukee Road") originally conceived the 4-6-4 Hudson, as the "Baltic" type in 1925, but went Bankrupt, and the New York Central, introduced them in 1927, and became the "Hudson" type, because they raced along the Hudson River, north of the New York City electrified division's end. The F-6 class of the Milwaukee Road (which this is supposed to "resemble"), were the only Hudson-types to operate in the American Pacific Northwest (my Grandfather worked for the o'l Milwaukee Road, thus I have a strong affection for the line.).
The Camelback Mogul (2-6-0) may be an adaptation of the Mehano SP 2-6-0 Mogul, but looks like some later machines. Camelbacks were actually outlawed from construction of new locomotives, due to the dangers of the position of the Engineer's cab (boiler explosions) and the difficulties of communication with the Firemen in their precarious positions.
The real Canadian National No. 6060, is preserved in Operating Condition in Alberta, Canada. The U-1-f class are also known as "Bullet-Nose Bettys" because of the Nose-Cone resembling women's "Bullet Bras" from the 40's and 50's, as well as their speed and capabilities pulling trains. There are 3 Preserved across Canada, including No. 6060.
Hope this helps you out, for future videos, Sam. Cheers, and keep up the good work!
Hey Nikolaus, thanks so much for all of this useful information - that really will be a big help when I come to review some of these engines! :D
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@@SamsTrains , you're more than welcome. If you ever need more info on Railroading "Across the Pond," I'll be more than ready to help. I've been watching your videos for a few years now, and I like your humor and easy-going layout. It's all wonderful! Cheers, and keep up the good work.
That special GS4 livery you mentioned is the American Freedom Train; Souther Pacific #4449, along with Reading Railroad #2001, served as motive power to haul what has to be among the patriotic train in history, the American Freedom Train, which criss-crossed the nation in 1976 to mark the USA's bicentennial hauling various pieces of prominent Americana (ie the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, the Liberty Bell, etc) in a bunch of old baggage cars that had been repainted in a glorious red, white, and blue paint scheme.
Ahh yeah that's it - I remember now! What a brilliant livery though - I wonder if there's a model of that one?? :D
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The camelback's cab astride the boiler design raised concerns for its crew. The engineers was perched above the side rods of the locomotive vulnerable to swinging and flying metal if anything rotating below should break. In addition, the fireman was exposed to the elements at the rear so thats why its illegal
Ahh very interesting - thanks very much for the fun facts! :D
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What a coincidence. I was just talking with a guy in Sarnia that helped restore the CN 6060 with the use of water pump from the train on display in Sarnia. Interesting story with the restoration. It was lead by a guy who was the last fireman on 6060 and was laid off while in Jasper. Without job he ended up in Ontario and after successful career was able to save 6060. (With the water pump from 6069 on display in Sarnia)
That is very interesting indeed - thanks very much for sharing! :D
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