Apparently the new BR Standard class 3 is only a couple of years from completion too! So, there’s at least three new members of lost locomotives coming sometime in the next decade. There’s the new P2, the new patriot and a new standard class 3. And recently, the saint class was resurrected after the converted a manor/hall? Locomotive into “lady of legend”. There’s a few more locos on the cards too, like a new county class (which is a long way to go from completion, but has progressed enough that there is something to photograph. There’s also ANOTHER p2 in the works, a replica of “cock of the north” but I think it may be the streamlined variation. Even here in Australia there’s a new steam build in the works, a Victorian railways V class locomotive, but that one is a looooooooooong way off being competed. So, lots of new steam on the horizon!
Ah go on Sam admit it, you like the Tango really it’s still running even after its swim. Great video, there are some lovely locomotives now sadly gone.
LNWR 0-8-0s: The G1 had a small boiler, The G2 had a large boiler, The G2A was originally a G1 that has been rebuilt with the boiler off a G2. All of the G1s and G2As were cut up, however one G2, 49395, still survives.
@@SamsTrains Might I add that G2As sometimes were given a G1 boiler if no other G2 boilers were available thus becoming G1 again and this happened all the time.
Keep going Sam you are doing a great job. In 1950 we had 18,000 steam locomotives, due to availability for every 2 working one had to be kept steam in reserve. To give you some idea of availability and endurance for every 3.4 steam locomotives available they could be replaced by one Diesel. Now you understand the enormous manpower needed. As a person trained on GWR locos, it took six men starting at 6am to get a modified hall or castle ready for duty and a Castle has 70 oiling points. The result was evenvitable.
Quite a few familiar faces from Sodor to be seen in this video: Molly, Belle, Thomas and Arthur...while it's sad that their classes were scrapped, at least they're keeping the legacy of their fallen brethren alive!
In France, dozens of highly interesting steam locomotives had never been preserved, we do not have a culture of industrial history as you have in Great Britain, and it is a shame. Anyway, I had seen a mainline 4-8-2 preserved in tour visiting my hometown of Grenoble two years before, I have pictures of her, I can send you some if you are interested. I just checked and I've just seen that I had not transfered them from my camera, blitz it ! I've got some ideas of videos if you are interested. First, why not make one about the locomotives you think that are iconic british ones ? And you can also make a serie of video based on the wheel pattern of the locomotives : Mogul Melody, Ten-wheelers Temptations, Craving for Consolidations, Praise the Pacifics, 0-6-0 are go, 0-6-2 I love you, et cetera... Another idea : a video dedicated to oddballs, like the Garrat and the Cock o'the North. I have no doubts that you will make some interesting videos like this one. Keep on the good job !
@@SamsTrains My son Innes wanted me to get in touch to say that there is a Beyer Garratt preserved in Manchester science museum, looks same colour and style as your model: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beyer-Garratt_Class_GL_loco,_Beyer,_Peacock_%26_Co._Ltd,_1929,_MOSI,_Manchester,_July_2007_(9883683244).jpg
Very heartbreacking... 16:03 that is my favourite too! Like I said before, this one reminds me to our italian Gr 740 steamer! She isn't the more powerfull, but she is the more reliable of italian steamers. Born into 20' and operated untill the 75', pulling passengers, goodies and military equipments. Today some of those Gr 740 are used to special historical trains in Italy! Yes... I love it! :D
I've seen the pictures from Barry scrapyards, and seeing all of those engines lined up closely together waiting to be scrapped made me quite sad. :( It is nice though that there are projects to rebuild lost engines, and that is something I'm sure we're all grateful for :)
As a kid, I'd wander down there and climb on those poor, sad locos. Many were marked for restoration, but I remember particularly one huge driving wheel where someone had cut a chunk out of the rim with a gas axe... Why do that, wrecking the wheel?
Ironically a vast majority of the engines from Barry were rescued, 213 of 297. Some of which were still cut up for spare parts, but still, it actually indirectly helped in developing the the preservation movement
Great video Sam, really well researched and presented. One of the saddest things in British Railway history was the haste in which steam was consigned to the scrapyard! Some wonderful locos only a few years old and just thrown away! Terrible.
Hi Sam! I realise some people may have already pointed this out but there is one Beyer Garrett in preservation at the Manchester MOSI Museum Powerhouse. Whether it runs or not I have no idea but I do have many recollections of sitting on its buffers while my mother took photos as a child! Great video and was interesting to hear about other lost Locomotives!
You must be congratulated on the work put into producing this particular upload Sam. A fascinating watch and good to know, that the manufacturers have produced such Gems, so that they will never be forgotten....Bob
Hi Sam, a really great presentation. In Great Britain, many different beautiful steam locomotives were scrapped and none of the class has survived. The same here in Germany. Many were scrapped here too. Especially special, unique locomotives or prototypes. Too bad, because they are masterpieces of technology and part of the history. Without private individuals, donations, support groups, railway enthusiasts, and clubs in Great Britain and Germany, many more locomotives would have been scrapped and would not have been preserved. Cheers Norbert
@@robertwilloughby8050 Yes Robert, 8 DB Class 23 have survived, 3 are running in The Netherlands. 5 are in Germany, one as a public monument, 3 in museums, and one is running. And I have one as model loco. Cheers Norbert
The Turbomotive was rebuilt into 46202 Princess Anne in 1952. The front end resembled the Coronation pacifics rather than the princess royal class and was therefore designated a Princess Anne type. Regrettably it was involved in the double collision in October 1952 at Harrow & Wealdstone. The engine was beyond economic repair and was scrapped.
I meant to add, other locomotives involved in the Harrow & Wealdstone collision was Jubilee 45637 Winward Islands that piloted Princess Anne was also very badly damaged and withdrawn from service. Coronation Pacific 46242 City of Glasgow that headed the Perth - Euston sleeper train was repaired and returned to service. The Fowler 2-6-4 42589 was I damaged and returned to service. The biggest loss was 112 people lost their lives. There are a number of books that examine the Harrow & Wealdstone accident, it is well worth reading and understand the changes it brought in
Love the theme music to this video Sam. I play the trumpet and cornet and also the clarinet and wondered what the name of it was? Great video as always! I visited the new model rail shop in sheringham last Wednesday by your recommendation, and it is a little gem. Really modern and bright, lots of room for more stock as the business hopefully grows. Very reasonable prices and well worth a look!
Thanks very much Chris - it's called fun time by DJ quads - based on the original, please don't talk about me when I'm gone - quite fitting! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
These videos always make me want to break out my models again, though being a student away from home I don't really have the space for that. Maybe in a couple of decades...
Lot of talk about scraping in the comments. Scraping is a good sign for a locomotive as it means the locomotive is being prepared for a new paint job. That always helps to prevent a loco being scrapped. Scrapping is the thing we dread. We should give thanks for the preservationists spending many hours with a scraper getting rid of old paint, rusty patches, dirt and oil build up. This scraping work saved many a railway item from the scrappers. I also give thanks to my primary school teachers and reading books with correct spelling to prevent confusion. Spelling not valued so much by some any more. Potential employers may value it though.
It's based on a Tri-ang princess chassis! I quite like the Wrenn motors - they're incredibly powerful! Not great for slow speed though. Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I'm a huge New York Central fan here in the U.S., and very few of their steam locomotives were preserved. Two 0-6-0 switchers and two 4-8-2 "Mohawks" and that's just about it. None of the famous J class Hudson 4-6-4s (of which 275 were built), K class Pacific 4-6-2s (tons were built), G class Consolidation 2-8-0s (again, countless were built), or S class Niagara 4-8-4s (27 I believe were built) survive. A lesser known class, the NE-2's, were a large group of 2-6-6-2 Mallets built originally for the Boston & Albany (a New York Central subsidiary), and these are one of my favorite classes of locomotives. One NE-2 was almost preserved in Minerva, Ohio (they were called "Minerva Mallets" because they were maintained and based largely in Minerva, a town which is actually about an hour from where I live in Ohio) but the town of Minerva turned it down! What a shame!
Cheers Austin - great to hear some of those got saved too! I've heard a lot about the J class - I'd love to get one of those! Thanks for all the info, Cheers, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains If you are serious about getting a J class, I'd recommend trying to track down either a newer Broadway Limited Imports model (with Paragon2 sound and smoke) or perhaps an older Rivarossi model. I have the older Paragon1 model of BLI's Hudson and although the sound is older I love it! The wheels, however, are made from a different metal and collect dirt easily, but I think BLI has a warranty where they'll send replacements - something to look into!
While the Railway Series only featured 11 steam and around 6 diesels, it was stated in one big book there were around 80 on Sodor (not counting the TV series only ones). We don't know how many of them are diesel, though with Sodor's works said to be capable of any locomotive overhaul, and engines said to have been built from there (despite no other mentioning) perhaps some classes had been built out of extinction, or developed their own classes.
There is a group building a B17, there also are 2 p2s being built, there is a new patriot being built, there are 2 countys being built one at tysely and one at didcot, there is a new grange being built, there is a standard class 3 tank being built at severn valley railway
Similarly to the G2 and G2a debate, you are quite right that none of the 2-cylinder Stanier 2-6-4Ts were preserved. Very fortunately, the NRM in York is home to a 3-cylinder variant number 2500. The ROD 2-8-0 was a Robinson design for the Great Central Railway. You are correct that none of the ROD examples which were taken into GWR service after WW1 survived into preservation. However, some of the GCR examples (some of which served in the ROD) ended up being taken into LNER and BR ownership and overhaul has just started on 63601, owned by the NRM and based at the Great Central Railway in Loughborough.
Out of curiosity I’ve googled the Garrat, and it seems there’s one (a South African GL class, but still totally English) at the museum of science and industry in Manchester. Wikipedia also says that the Garrats are still in use in South Africa (could be interesting to know if anyone can take videos of one of those).
Quite a collection Sam!! 👍👍 Is a bit bittersweet... Poor Thompsons. Were they all rubbish? Had to give me Wife a hard time... Her maiden name was Thompson!! 😜😆 Several very handsome examples. Mate, if you're weird for loving old Steam... Then I'm downright DAFFY!! Carmine ✈🚂🚙
Thanks very much mate - I don't know if they were all rubbish, but some of them were ;) Ooh dear - I'm sure she didn't take that too well ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
One thing i hate to see is a lack of preserved locos, but at least we have heritage railways like the GCRN, which i started my work experience with them today
Good little video .I am also amazed that so many lost locos have been modelled with no prototypes to help with dimensions. you have missed the J70 tram loco.which I know you have! Also aP2 2-8-2,but you'll have to open your wallet again soon for the upcoming Hornby A2/2,W1 etc. It is great that aD16 and B17, have appeared from Hornby.
@@SamsTrains Really? Well that's quote a shame. They really should since it's essentially one of the many grandfathers of steam. Been reading up on history of these machines if you haven't guessed 😁
I enjoyed seeing them all. I think most of the GWR steam trains ended up at Barry's in South Wales. The reason there's more GWR engines than the other railway companies today.
I think the reason why the j50 tank engine is so popular is because technically, Thomas was originally a j50. (The creator of the series made a wooden toy of it for his son, who then named it Thomas.)
There is a new GWR Grange class being built at the Llangollen railway and the locomotive's number and name is No. 6880 Betton Grange. The new Saint class was finished last year at the Dicot Railway Centre.
15:52 I love the way the wheels turn on the Grange class. Especially when it’s the weathered version with the dirty wheels. It looks satisfying just seeing this engine get to work and it already gets pretty dirty! :P
I recently got a rake of 3 blood and custard teaks the railroad ones. I'm wondering where to find more for cheap apart from hattons. Btw. I saw you had 2 b17s. The P2s are have 2 made. One in her original (prince of Wales, 2007, and a replica in the A4 streamlining)
The turoomotive was converted in to a conventional locomotive, a princess royal no less. 46203, Princess Anne. And she was destroyed in the Infamous accident at Harrow and wealdstone in 1952, this of course was the instigation to build a 3 cylinder locomotive to replace her, 71000 Duke of Gloster. As for the Garratt, The actual wheel configuration was a 2-5-0 jplus 0-6-2. the wheel sets were initially set back to back effectively on these Garratt machines. i hope this info helps. Nick.
I think the fact that LNER made their garratt (The LNER U1) two years before the LMS made their garratts also played a part. I mean, both of them were rivals during the steam age
In montreal we had an f7 bulit in 1950 for CN and was passed to amt in 1968 and in 1999 it was the last year for it's service and in 2000 it was scrapped
I'm lucky in that 2 of my favourites, the LBSCR Gladstone and the J15, both have preserved examples out there (The Gladstone an hour away from where I live too!) but my 3rd favourite, the 3F tender loco, well.... at least there are some Jintys out there to carry the torch for their brother engines in some form. Thank you for the vid, Sam, was great to see these locos running :>
Technically you missed the A1 Peppercorn, as all original examples were scrapped. A new one had to be built from scratch to give it some representation. The video makes me wonder about the various diesels and electrics that didn't survive the scrappers torch. Things like the Class 74 electro-diesel and the Class 310 EMU. I hope for at least one more class to join those ranks though, the Class 717. Preferably more though.
Strangely, one of the saddest, and, if you were a child, most disturbing images of engine destruction is to be found in 'Stepney The Bluebell Engine', by the Rev.W. Awdrey. It shows a yard (suspiciously like Barry Island), with engine scrap visible, and a worried looking engine watching a workman with an oxy-acetylene torch... That image really bothered me as a kid.
There was a three cylinder one designed by stand here that is in the national collection of which I have seen with my own eyes in 2017. At the time it was in its LMS black livery
Thought I'm 11 it was and accident when I was running it on my oval loop starter set and I put in the siding whilst on the mainline track and my custom handcar collided with it and I went into the buffer stop and got smashed and I repainted it but I couldn't find any buffers
Wow, amazing how many were lost considering how many survived. I think the UK did the best job of any country preserving steam locomotives. The US certainly started preservation efforts far too late.
Are you thinking of doing a review of the gwr 3161 or 1366 class because if you do remember me from the last video even though my one has failed they are beautiful locos with buckets of characters:D Thank you
I find it ironic that the standard gauge Bayer Garratts were never that successful, but the narrow gauge versions (some of which were noticeably *bigger*) were not just popular exports, but have been rather well preserved! I may have said on the review of that Garratt model, but the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester has a preserved (static) South African Railways GL class garratt. At cape gauge (1 meter/3ft something), it is a true giant among giants!
Hello Sam!!! I'm glad to see you running the B17, but you didn't mention how some of them where streamlined. Nonetheless, great video, and I can't wait for the next
Great video, shame to see so many trains are gone. I'd love to see you do a video showing everything in your collection that has survived? When you do reviews and you mention whether any locos are saved from scrap could you let us know where they can be seen/what line they're running on?
There are a few that long term will return the p2 currently is being built by the people that built tornado! They have also announced future locos they plan to bring back from scrap including gresley v4 and v3 and k3!
Oh this opening music just gives me tears just thinking about our beautiful machines getting cut up for parts. can someone tell me the name/title and author of this song please? Because I plan to use it in a TH-cam video of mine soon.
You might find some of the extinct in Down Under. Brisbane film on local steam tank engines look familiar. Beyer-Garret (6029) Junee to Goulburn. Good video. Couple of vintage diesels on the historic trains assist if needed but primarily used for electricity. Seems like the generator cars were forgotten.
"This is going to be a bit of a sad (video) today." (Immediately plays upbeat jazz music to the running trains) I have to admit, I found that juxtaposition funny XD.
The golden age of steam, by Luke Hill We used to sit besides the track, Watching trains go clickety clack. We'd count each carriage passing by, And smell the smoke that filled the sky. A trick that made our parents pale, Was lay our ears upon the rail To listen for a steady drumming, And know that soon a train was coming. Then back we'd stand with cap in hand, Our little hearts appounding. We had no fear as we stood near, And heard the whistle sounding. Exitment there beyond compare, The train had come at last. And as a boy I'd jump for joy As it went puffing past. With widened eyes we'd watch the skies Filled with smoke and steam. Of the things we did when we were kids, This would be cream. But that's all gone. They've 'progressed' on. There's something new each day. And on the track we feel the lack, The steam haw passed away. May the golden age of steam locomotives rest in peace.
Apparently the new BR Standard class 3 is only a couple of years from completion too!
So, there’s at least three new members of lost locomotives coming sometime in the next decade.
There’s the new P2, the new patriot and a new standard class 3.
And recently, the saint class was resurrected after the converted a manor/hall? Locomotive into “lady of legend”.
There’s a few more locos on the cards too, like a new county class (which is a long way to go from completion, but has progressed enough that there is something to photograph.
There’s also ANOTHER p2 in the works, a replica of “cock of the north” but I think it may be the streamlined variation.
Even here in Australia there’s a new steam build in the works, a Victorian railways V class locomotive, but that one is a looooooooooong way off being competed.
So, lots of new steam on the horizon!
The Great Western Railway had a major loss, the entire broad gauge fleet back in 1892.
And as far as I'm aware, no OO scale broad gauge models either.
Dave Lewis there should be soon.
Dave Lewis Unless there is kitbuilds of them in different gauges.
Reny Rex I hope so too.
gwr is my favorite railway company as my model layout is a gwr branchline
Ah go on Sam admit it, you like the Tango really it’s still running even after its swim. Great video, there are some lovely locomotives now sadly gone.
haha I'm impressed by that - I will say that much! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
choopoo choopoo!
LNWR 0-8-0s:
The G1 had a small boiler,
The G2 had a large boiler,
The G2A was originally a G1 that has been rebuilt with the boiler off a G2.
All of the G1s and G2As were cut up, however one G2, 49395, still survives.
Many thanks for the info Luke, appreciate that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Might I add that G2As sometimes were given a G1 boiler if no other G2 boilers were available thus becoming G1 again and this happened all the time.
16:40 is it just me or is the tangos handrail sticking further out
Well, it is heljan, so.
Knowing the 02 it probably is!
Yep - I kept fixing it back in place, but got tired of it in the end ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Oh yea
definitly agree makes her look like a toy! great content sam! :)
Keep going Sam you are doing a great job. In 1950 we had 18,000 steam locomotives, due to availability for every 2 working one had to be kept steam in reserve. To give you some idea of availability and endurance for every 3.4 steam locomotives available they could be replaced by one Diesel. Now you understand the enormous manpower needed. As a person trained on GWR locos, it took six men starting at 6am to get a modified hall or castle ready for duty and a Castle has 70 oiling points. The result was evenvitable.
Thanks so much Leroy - wow was it as many as that? Absolutely astonishing! D:
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
sam, can you please do a running session with one-of-the-class-left engines please, thanks sam and keep up the great work
Sheryl Brown Including diesels with mixed in with Steam
That sounds cool - I'll have to look that up! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains there is one Garrett locomotive left but it has just been abandon in a field and most likely needs a total overhaul
Quite a few familiar faces from Sodor to be seen in this video: Molly, Belle, Thomas and Arthur...while it's sad that their classes were scrapped, at least they're keeping the legacy of their fallen brethren alive!
Arthur and Belle do have surviving classmates.
While its not the same exact thing, there is a coal fired Thomas replica built out of a 0-6-0 Porter in America
Arthur and belle are the same class
@@thebrainlesstrainfan Arthur is an Ivatt 2MT
Belle is a Standard 4MT tank
Yeah you're right - you might see some familiar fireboxes there ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
16:17 that thing still works after it's swim in the pool?
haha yeah it does - I must say I'm impressed about that, though I did strip it down and dry it thoroughly ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
In France, dozens of highly interesting steam locomotives had never been preserved, we do not have a culture of industrial history as you have in Great Britain, and it is a shame.
Anyway, I had seen a mainline 4-8-2 preserved in tour visiting my hometown of Grenoble two years before, I have pictures of her, I can send you some if you are interested. I just checked and I've just seen that I had not transfered them from my camera, blitz it !
I've got some ideas of videos if you are interested. First, why not make one about the locomotives you think that are iconic british ones ? And you can also make a serie of video based on the wheel pattern of the locomotives : Mogul Melody, Ten-wheelers Temptations, Craving for Consolidations, Praise the Pacifics, 0-6-0 are go, 0-6-2 I love you, et cetera...
Another idea : a video dedicated to oddballs, like the Garrat and the Cock o'the North.
I have no doubts that you will make some interesting videos like this one. Keep on the good job !
Some French locomotives, especially the compounds were genius creations.
Oh trust me, over here in Ireland it is way worse. Only 38 five foot gauge locos preserved if i remember it correctly
Great to hear so many were preserved Oliver - I'd love to see more of them!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The Beyer Garatt is definitely my favourite in that one
Good choice Cameron - I love those too! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains My son Innes wanted me to get in touch to say that there is a Beyer Garratt preserved in Manchester science museum, looks same colour and style as your model: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beyer-Garratt_Class_GL_loco,_Beyer,_Peacock_%26_Co._Ltd,_1929,_MOSI,_Manchester,_July_2007_(9883683244).jpg
Fascinating
I Love this model but isn't he running backwards on videos?
Very heartbreacking...
16:03 that is my favourite too! Like I said before, this one reminds me to our italian Gr 740 steamer! She isn't the more powerfull, but she is the more reliable of italian steamers. Born into 20' and operated untill the 75', pulling passengers, goodies and military equipments. Today some of those Gr 740 are used to special historical trains in Italy!
Yes... I love it! :D
Low Range Maniac why are the hand rails so long ?
@@The_bike_guy_hooligans05 to be fair I didn't notice that
Lol
Thanks a lot for the comments mate! Yes the handrails are loose - I got tired of putting them back in place ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Really nice video! I liked seeing these engines run together. Keep it up!
Thanks Kris - really glad you liked this one! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
The static version of the GWR Dean single is at Windsor and Eton Central station.
Ahh very cool - is that the fake one??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yes, strange as only the loco was constructed, no tender.
@@stevebarnes2 ahhhh, interesting, didn't know that so thank you!
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Great job, TH-cam 🤣
haha!
Its because everyone comments and likes before watching the video smh
@@Gordons1888 r/woooooooosh
I always enjoy watching Sams videos. Informative and such a vast collection. Keep up the sterling job you do for us guys that no longer have trains.
Thanks very much Stephen - appreciate it mate! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
All of them are my favorite
haha me too!! ;D
Same here.
I've seen the pictures from Barry scrapyards, and seeing all of those engines lined up closely together waiting to be scrapped made me quite sad. :( It is nice though that there are projects to rebuild lost engines, and that is something I'm sure we're all grateful for :)
Yeah those photos are very sad - I get it mate :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
As a kid, I'd wander down there and climb on those poor, sad locos. Many were marked for restoration, but I remember particularly one huge driving wheel where someone had cut a chunk out of the rim with a gas axe... Why do that, wrecking the wheel?
Ironically a vast majority of the engines from Barry were rescued, 213 of 297. Some of which were still cut up for spare parts, but still, it actually indirectly helped in developing the the preservation movement
3:02 noooo
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Not the j50s😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I know :'(
Great video Sam, really well researched and presented. One of the saddest things in British Railway history was the haste in which steam was consigned to the scrapyard! Some wonderful locos only a few years old and just thrown away! Terrible.
Thanks very much Mike - yes it's very sad indeed :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Good video! Though I'm sure 2 LMS fairburn tanks are preserved on the lakeside and hatherwaite railway.
There are some LMS tanks preserved, but none of those that I showed!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes 42073 and 42085
@@SamsTrains the 060 wasn't that the locomotive that inspired James? Also I do believe that at least one was preserved
Hi Sam!
I realise some people may have already pointed this out but there is one Beyer Garrett in preservation at the Manchester MOSI Museum Powerhouse. Whether it runs or not I have no idea but I do have many recollections of sitting on its buffers while my mother took photos as a child!
Great video and was interesting to hear about other lost Locomotives!
And then Sam you could make a video with all the preseverd trains. 😂
That'd be awesome -great idea!! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
He did
Good idea but it would be about 2 hours long-
@@finley1578 *2 days
You must be congratulated on the work put into producing this particular upload Sam. A fascinating watch and good to know, that the manufacturers have produced such Gems, so that they will never be forgotten....Bob
Bless you Bob, thanks a lot mate - appreciate it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
4:18 hahahaaha
haha! ;D
Hi Sam, a really great presentation.
In Great Britain, many different beautiful steam locomotives were scrapped and none of the class has survived. The same here in Germany. Many were scrapped here too. Especially special, unique locomotives or prototypes. Too bad, because they are masterpieces of technology and part of the history.
Without private individuals, donations, support groups, railway enthusiasts, and clubs in Great Britain and Germany, many more locomotives would have been scrapped and would not have been preserved.
Cheers Norbert
Are any of the Class 23 2-6-2 still alive? The famous "semifahrtlok", as an Austrian friend called it.
@@robertwilloughby8050 Yes Robert, 8 DB Class 23 have survived, 3 are running in The Netherlands. 5 are in Germany, one as a public monument, 3 in museums, and one is running. And I have one as model loco. Cheers Norbert
@@NorbertRoll Thank you muchly.
Thanks a lot Norbert - yes sadly it happened a lot, a great shame :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes, the pannier Thank engines were preserved....
Yes, it has to do with Duck from Thomas and friends
Yes indeed - lots of those still around! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Isn’t there a preserved stainer 2-6-4 tank at the Railway museum
There is one - but I think that's a 3-cylinder one!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes but no 42500 is a 3 cylinder one all of the 2 cylinder ones were scrapped
The Turbomotive was rebuilt into 46202 Princess Anne in 1952. The front end resembled the Coronation pacifics rather than the princess royal class and was therefore designated a
Princess Anne type. Regrettably it was involved in the double collision in October 1952 at Harrow & Wealdstone. The engine was beyond economic repair and was scrapped.
I meant to add, other locomotives involved in the Harrow & Wealdstone collision was Jubilee 45637 Winward Islands that piloted Princess Anne was also very badly damaged and withdrawn from service. Coronation Pacific 46242 City of Glasgow that headed the Perth - Euston sleeper train was repaired and returned to service. The Fowler 2-6-4 42589 was I damaged and returned to service. The biggest loss was 112 people lost their lives. There are a number of books that examine the Harrow & Wealdstone accident, it is well worth reading and understand the changes it brought in
Duly noted Colin - that engine certainly had quite a story!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It’s quite a shame all of these locos are gone, hopefully some get a new build or replica in the future.
At least you guys in the train hobby have more preserved than us in the ocean liner community.
Love the theme music to this video Sam. I play the trumpet and cornet and also the clarinet and wondered what the name of it was? Great video as always! I visited the new model rail shop in sheringham last Wednesday by your recommendation, and it is a little gem. Really modern and bright, lots of room for more stock as the business hopefully grows. Very reasonable prices and well worth a look!
Thanks very much Chris - it's called fun time by DJ quads - based on the original, please don't talk about me when I'm gone - quite fitting!
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These videos always make me want to break out my models again, though being a student away from home I don't really have the space for that. Maybe in a couple of decades...
Thanks a lot Tom - hopefully you'll get the time one day! :D
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Lot of talk about scraping in the comments.
Scraping is a good sign for a locomotive as it means the locomotive is being prepared for a new paint job. That always helps to prevent a loco being scrapped.
Scrapping is the thing we dread. We should give thanks for the preservationists spending many hours with a scraper getting rid of old paint, rusty patches, dirt and oil build up. This scraping work saved many a railway item from the scrappers.
I also give thanks to my primary school teachers and reading books with correct spelling to prevent confusion. Spelling not valued so much by some any more. Potential employers may value it though.
haha I didn't notice the scraping comments John - I can't have been paying attention, haha! ;D
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Is the Turbomotive a wrenn loco? How do you get on with the Wrenn motors, I ended up converting the 3 wrenns I have to Escap motors
It's based on a Tri-ang princess chassis! I quite like the Wrenn motors - they're incredibly powerful! Not great for slow speed though.
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I'm a huge New York Central fan here in the U.S., and very few of their steam locomotives were preserved. Two 0-6-0 switchers and two 4-8-2 "Mohawks" and that's just about it. None of the famous J class Hudson 4-6-4s (of which 275 were built), K class Pacific 4-6-2s (tons were built), G class Consolidation 2-8-0s (again, countless were built), or S class Niagara 4-8-4s (27 I believe were built) survive. A lesser known class, the NE-2's, were a large group of 2-6-6-2 Mallets built originally for the Boston & Albany (a New York Central subsidiary), and these are one of my favorite classes of locomotives. One NE-2 was almost preserved in Minerva, Ohio (they were called "Minerva Mallets" because they were maintained and based largely in Minerva, a town which is actually about an hour from where I live in Ohio) but the town of Minerva turned it down! What a shame!
Cheers Austin - great to hear some of those got saved too! I've heard a lot about the J class - I'd love to get one of those!
Thanks for all the info,
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@@SamsTrains If you are serious about getting a J class, I'd recommend trying to track down either a newer Broadway Limited Imports model (with Paragon2 sound and smoke) or perhaps an older Rivarossi model. I have the older Paragon1 model of BLI's Hudson and although the sound is older I love it! The wheels, however, are made from a different metal and collect dirt easily, but I think BLI has a warranty where they'll send replacements - something to look into!
Really curious as to which manufacturer made the LMS Turbomotive? Can't seem to see anything about them on Google.
It was modified from a Tri-ang princess!
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There is one garot that I know runs in Australia
Yes true - it's only the LMS Garratt that is lost!
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The stania 264 is not scraped go to Keighley worth valley railway or search it on youtube
That's true, though there were two different types - I believe only one is preserved!
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I am glad that there are new builds of the Patriot class, lner p2 class, Gwr Grange class, lner B17, LBSC H1. Just to name a few.
Me too - it's a wonderful effort isn't it?!
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@@SamsTrains ,indeed it is good sir.
Very nice. I would love to see, on track one, the gs4 daylight engine and on track three the Stevenson rocket. The extremes of steam.
Thanks John - that would be awesome wouldn't it? And probably terrifying for Rocket! ;D
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U have a new fowler 4p 2-6-4t or u fixed your old one after all?
It's a new one! ;D
I’d love to see an updated version of this video
2:47 Go to Steam Town in Scranton, Pennsylvania they have one of them!
While the Railway Series only featured 11 steam and around 6 diesels, it was stated in one big book there were around 80 on Sodor (not counting the TV series only ones). We don't know how many of them are diesel, though with Sodor's works said to be capable of any locomotive overhaul, and engines said to have been built from there (despite no other mentioning) perhaps some classes had been built out of extinction, or developed their own classes.
Cool Vincent - thanks a lot for letting me know! :D
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Hay Sam you should buy and review the Lima King Charles ll In blue I have one and it would look amazing going around you track
I've never had one of those - glad to hear they're good! :D
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Sam'sTrains thank you for getting back to me really nice to see I have sent you some pick on Instagram @cornish_life._
All those locos look beautiful! Shame they were scrapped😕
Great vid!
-Dj
Thanks DJ - it really is a great shame :(
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There is a group building a B17, there also are 2 p2s being built, there is a new patriot being built, there are 2 countys being built one at tysely and one at didcot, there is a new grange being built, there is a standard class 3 tank being built at severn valley railway
Yeah I heard about some of those - amazing projects on the way!! :D
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@@SamsTrains yeah
Similarly to the G2 and G2a debate, you are quite right that none of the 2-cylinder Stanier 2-6-4Ts were preserved. Very fortunately, the NRM in York is home to a 3-cylinder variant number 2500.
The ROD 2-8-0 was a Robinson design for the Great Central Railway. You are correct that none of the ROD examples which were taken into GWR service after WW1 survived into preservation. However, some of the GCR examples (some of which served in the ROD) ended up being taken into LNER and BR ownership and overhaul has just started on 63601, owned by the NRM and based at the Great Central Railway in Loughborough.
Yes absolutely - I've seen the 3-cylinder, very lovely machine indeed! Thanks for the info!
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Out of curiosity I’ve googled the Garrat, and it seems there’s one (a South African GL class, but still totally English) at the museum of science and industry in Manchester. Wikipedia also says that the Garrats are still in use in South Africa (could be interesting to know if anyone can take videos of one of those).
There are quite a lot of Garratts preserved - but no LMS Garratts to my knowledge!
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I think my favourite had to be the P2, and for the ones you ran, maybe the B17! Great vid!
Good choice - yeah the P2 is amazing! :D
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Quite a collection Sam!! 👍👍 Is a bit bittersweet...
Poor Thompsons. Were they all rubbish? Had to give me Wife a hard time... Her maiden name was Thompson!! 😜😆
Several very handsome examples.
Mate, if you're weird for loving old Steam... Then I'm downright DAFFY!!
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
The Garrett was a true BEAST!! On par with the American behemoths.
Thanks very much mate - I don't know if they were all rubbish, but some of them were ;)
Ooh dear - I'm sure she didn't take that too well ;)
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I would like to see you get your hands on a model Union Pacific Big Boy. Although I don't know if they make any for your track gauge.
I'd love that too - maybe one day I might!! :D
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Grate video
I think Thompson tryed to save the P2 by rebuilding because the original P2 locos weren't reliable until Thompson rebuiled them
Thank you!! You're probably right there actually!
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One thing i hate to see is a lack of preserved locos, but at least we have heritage railways like the GCRN, which i started my work experience with them today
Yeah me too - though you're right, we do have lots that were saved! :D
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4:58 what does it mean by a terrible accident
I believe it collided with another loco - both were destroyed!
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Chances are, some thought to be scrapped locomotives are just very decayed or even sitting in a forgotten shed somewhere.
Good little video .I am also amazed that so many lost locos have been modelled with no prototypes to help with dimensions. you have missed the J70 tram loco.which I know you have! Also aP2 2-8-2,but you'll have to open your wallet again soon for the upcoming Hornby A2/2,W1 etc. It is great that aD16 and B17, have appeared from Hornby.
Thanks Peter - yes absolutely, locos like that must have been incredibly difficult to research!
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This might be a weird question but if they made Stepheson's Rocket in model form do they make other very early steam locos like the Lion?
I've never seen a Lion RTR - I'd love one though! :D
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@@SamsTrains Really? Well that's quote a shame. They really should since it's essentially one of the many grandfathers of steam. Been reading up on history of these machines if you haven't guessed 😁
Well at least heljan mucked the tango up not the 02 tank engine. There my favourite tank engines.
haha absolutely!! ;D
I enjoyed seeing them all. I think most of the GWR steam trains ended up at Barry's in South Wales. The reason there's more GWR engines than the other railway companies today.
Thanks a lot Peter - yes you're right about that!!
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I think the reason why the j50 tank engine is so popular is because technically, Thomas was originally a j50. (The creator of the series made a wooden toy of it for his son, who then named it Thomas.)
Yes you're right - no doubt that is true!
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Excellent stuff Sam. Nice to see the less fortunate classes of loco running if only in model form. Well done 🤓
Thanks Anthony - glad you enjoyed that! :D
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There are in fact three RODs preserved - in Australia, in fact. They got sent down in the 1920s to work on coal traffic and lasted into the 1970s.
Ooh nice - yes I had a feeling some non-gwr versions got saved!
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There is a new GWR Grange class being built at the Llangollen railway and the locomotive's number and name is No. 6880 Betton Grange. The new Saint class was finished last year at the Dicot Railway Centre.
Yeah I heard about that - very exciting stuff! :D
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15:52 I love the way the wheels turn on the Grange class. Especially when it’s the weathered version with the dirty wheels. It looks satisfying just seeing this engine get to work and it already gets pretty dirty! :P
Yeah me too - it looks wonderful doesn't it?! :D
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I recently got a rake of 3 blood and custard teaks the railroad ones. I'm wondering where to find more for cheap apart from hattons. Btw. I saw you had 2 b17s. The P2s are have 2 made. One in her original (prince of Wales, 2007, and a replica in the A4 streamlining)
Ooh nice - keep an eye on Ebay, you might be able to find more! :D
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6:33 theres a preserved garatt in australia that does heritage runs. not that class but i just wanted to tell :)
the tangoo has a prob with it's hand rail lol
great video Sam
haha yeah it does - I got tired of fixing it ;)
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The turoomotive was converted in to a conventional locomotive, a princess royal no less. 46203, Princess Anne. And she was destroyed in the Infamous accident at Harrow and wealdstone in 1952, this of course was the instigation to build a 3 cylinder locomotive to replace her, 71000 Duke of Gloster. As for the Garratt, The actual wheel configuration was a 2-5-0 jplus 0-6-2. the wheel sets were initially set back to back effectively on these Garratt machines. i hope this info helps. Nick.
Thanks Nick - yes I remember reading about it - a dreadful stroke of bad luck!
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The static replica of the Dean Single is at Windsor station!
Ahh right! I knew I hadn't dreamed that one up!
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Are you going to be getting the Stephenson's rocket and if so when is it coming?
I hope so James!! :D
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I'm surprised you haven't destroyed the tango and 1361 for speres yet
haha me too - maybe one day! ;D
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I think the fact that LNER made their garratt (The LNER U1) two years before the LMS made their garratts also played a part. I mean, both of them were rivals during the steam age
Hey Sam I saw another video on TH-cam and it said the garrat still is in the world! It's in a field rusting away. Does that that count?
There are still Garratts - just no LMS ones!
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In montreal we had an f7 bulit in 1950 for CN and was passed to amt in 1968 and in 1999 it was the last year for it's service and in 2000 it was scrapped
Ooh interesting - sorry to hear it was scrapped so late :'(
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Are the Beyer Garrets in Australia replicas or originals. Did we ship them over there.
They are originals - they're just not LMS garratts, so a different design!
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I'm lucky in that 2 of my favourites, the LBSCR Gladstone and the J15, both have preserved examples out there (The Gladstone an hour away from where I live too!) but my 3rd favourite, the 3F tender loco, well.... at least there are some Jintys out there to carry the torch for their brother engines in some form. Thank you for the vid, Sam, was great to see these locos running :>
Yes indeed - I'm very glad that those were saved too - beautiful machines! :D
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Technically you missed the A1 Peppercorn, as all original examples were scrapped. A new one had to be built from scratch to give it some representation.
The video makes me wonder about the various diesels and electrics that didn't survive the scrappers torch. Things like the Class 74 electro-diesel and the Class 310 EMU. I hope for at least one more class to join those ranks though, the Class 717. Preferably more though.
Thanks a lot for the info! Yeah that's true - pity we lost so many :(
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How many coaches was the Garrett pulling? I could only count up to 6
I can't remember now - quite a lot!! :O
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Strangely, one of the saddest, and, if you were a child, most disturbing images of engine destruction is to be found in 'Stepney The Bluebell Engine', by the Rev.W. Awdrey. It shows a yard (suspiciously like Barry Island), with engine scrap visible, and a worried looking engine watching a workman with an oxy-acetylene torch... That image really bothered me as a kid.
Yes that's a point - very sad indeed about that :(
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It’s a shame some of these locos are gone - loved the review- Ollie
Thanks Ollie - yeah it's a great shame :(
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There was a three cylinder one designed by stand here that is in the national collection of which I have seen with my own eyes in 2017. At the time it was in its LMS black livery
Wow some beautiful locos there
My personal favourite is the b17 would you recommend the hattons p class
Thanks Lewis - I love the B17 too! Yes I can highly recommend the Hatton's P class!
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@Christhorpe Junction thanks very much
A new p2 is being built over the next two years sam
Indeed it is - amazing stuff!! :D
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Thx for replying to my comment
Sam my GWR tank engine has chipped buffers and can't afford the repairs
Thought I'm 11 it was and accident when I was running it on my oval loop starter set and I put in the siding whilst on the mainline track and my custom handcar collided with it and I went into the buffer stop and got smashed and I repainted it but I couldn't find any buffers
Oh by the I'm love steam trains I've just started videos on my channel
isnt there a garrett running in South Africa or is that a different one ?
Yeah there is - it's just not an LMS one is all!
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Wow, amazing how many were lost considering how many survived. I think the UK did the best job of any country preserving steam locomotives. The US certainly started preservation efforts far too late.
Yeah absolutely Andrew - it's quite shocking! A great shame preservation wasn't considered sooner :(
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Are you thinking of doing a review of the gwr 3161 or 1366 class because if you do remember me from the last video even though my one has failed they are beautiful locos with buckets of characters:D Thank you
Yes I am doing a review soon - though they're pretty bad if you ask me ;)
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I find it ironic that the standard gauge Bayer Garratts were never that successful, but the narrow gauge versions (some of which were noticeably *bigger*) were not just popular exports, but have been rather well preserved!
I may have said on the review of that Garratt model, but the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester has a preserved (static) South African Railways GL class garratt. At cape gauge (1 meter/3ft something), it is a true giant among giants!
Yeah that's true - though a lot of overseas Garratts were much more successful I hear!
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it is sad. here across the pond we also lost many steamers.
Yeah, it is very sad :(
Rejoice! There are in fact plans for new builds of both the D16, appropriately to be named “Phoenix,” and a J39!
Ooh I'd just love to see those come to fruition! :O
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Hello Sam!!! I'm glad to see you running the B17, but you didn't mention how some of them where streamlined. Nonetheless, great video, and I can't wait for the next
I didn't mention that - I'd love if Hornby made a streamlined one though! :D
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Great video, shame to see so many trains are gone. I'd love to see you do a video showing everything in your collection that has survived? When you do reviews and you mention whether any locos are saved from scrap could you let us know where they can be seen/what line they're running on?
Thanks a lot mate, yes it is a great shame! There are countless surviving locos - that would be a good video though! :D
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There are a few that long term will return the p2 currently is being built by the people that built tornado! They have also announced future locos they plan to bring back from scrap including gresley v4 and v3 and k3!
Yeah you're right - I can't wait to see some of those, incredible stuff!
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P2 in getting build by a1 turst, , Grange class is getting build to at llangollen railway
You're right - very exciting stuff! :D
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@@SamsTrains hope you have a good weekend
Oh this opening music just gives me tears just thinking about our beautiful machines getting cut up for parts. can someone tell me the name/title and author of this song please? Because I plan to use it in a TH-cam video of mine soon.
You might find some of the extinct in Down Under.
Brisbane film on local steam tank engines look familiar.
Beyer-Garret (6029) Junee to Goulburn. Good video.
Couple of vintage diesels on the historic trains assist if needed but primarily used for electricity.
Seems like the generator cars were forgotten.
You're right Mick - some Garratts certainly survive, but none of the LMS design do!
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"This is going to be a bit of a sad (video) today."
(Immediately plays upbeat jazz music to the running trains)
I have to admit, I found that juxtaposition funny XD.
@john wilks That's... surprisingly fitting, if a little tonally dissonant!
@john wilks Huh, that's extra impressive!
haha - yes I chose the song for that reason ;)
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The golden age of steam, by Luke Hill
We used to sit besides the track,
Watching trains go clickety clack.
We'd count each carriage passing by,
And smell the smoke that filled the sky.
A trick that made our parents pale,
Was lay our ears upon the rail
To listen for a steady drumming,
And know that soon a train was coming.
Then back we'd stand with cap in hand,
Our little hearts appounding.
We had no fear as we stood near,
And heard the whistle sounding.
Exitment there beyond compare,
The train had come at last.
And as a boy I'd jump for joy
As it went puffing past.
With widened eyes we'd watch the skies
Filled with smoke and steam.
Of the things we did when we were kids,
This would be cream.
But that's all gone. They've 'progressed' on.
There's something new each day.
And on the track we feel the lack,
The steam haw passed away.
May the golden age of steam locomotives rest in peace.
Sam I have posted this again so it will be easier to put the badge thing back. Hope you like it though! ;)
That's lovely Luke - done it! :D
Awesome video today Sam how did the handrail on the tango come loose
Thanks James! It was loose from the start - I kept putting it back in place, but got fed up doing it in the end ;)
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Sam'sTrains oh cos that could be really dangerous