3:47 YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! That was me! I was the Feldon player from Command Fest Orlando that has seen every Commander Clash and got to Clash On with Crim! And now I hear it make its way into an episode!?!?!?!? That's awesome!!! And despite popular belief, I was not Tomer in disguise (Least, you can't prove it). Overall, had a great time jamming with Crim! CLASH ON!!!!
Yeah Richard is without a doubt the worst player and has the worst view points outta anyone on this channel, I watch all the time and I'm ALWAYS to myself like STFU Richard 😂😂😂
The best thing about "clash on!" is that it adds stakes to the game. Also seeing Crim/Seth dying on the inside every time they have to say it is funny. Sweet sweet suffering.
Am I the only one who noticed that right after Richard said the "riders of Rohan are lost" and Tomer said that "the bauble will help them find their way" he drew the riders of Rohan
I think the most poetic thing is that the elf deck that's based around debating and discussion and delaying decisions, leads to them being so inactive that they timed out instead of actually losing.
@jeffe2267 so it takes work away from an artist. That's a plus to you? Or is the good part appealing to the lowest common denominator? There's a lot of other ways to do that.
RE: Sol Ring, I think it USED to decrease your odds of winning. However, the format has sped up a hell of a lot since the time those stats were calculated, so now jumping those two turns ahead and getting a 4 mana commander T2 or a 5cmc commander T3 is now significantly more powerful. (T2-3 Chulane or Korvold will absolutely wreck house, after all!)
Honestly, I'd love to watch a second episode with these 4 precons! Maybe shuffle, who is playing what? But one match does not quench my thirst for this match up. First precons I am excited about. They are much better than earlier precons.
OK! I am actually a field of ruin fan. I really like it in white decks because of all your triggers. You turn on your catchup ramp and get three deep gnome terromancer and archaomancers map triggers. You can also use it to trigger smuggler's share to get a treasure. Also, if you're in black, it's funny with opposition agent.
6:30 I believe that’s the tower Gandalf fights the belrog and smites him on the mountain top. They fight from the lowest parts of the mountain to the highest part.
the simbol at 1:02:49 is actually gandalfs simbol if i remember correctly from the book(I didnt read the Silmarillion so it has to be in LOTR), like Seth said
How do people feel about lying in a game? I feel like it's distinctly different to bluffing. Especially when you are taking advantage of the way an online client works. This Isn't the first time Crim has done something like this, where he will make a big fuss about "making a mistake on MTGO" only for it to be part of plan to blow everyone out. I think when you actively go out of your way to portray a scheme as a mistake it is lying. Bluffing is like holding open mana, or threatening revenge against a player. It really irked me, maybe its just me.
its irksome because hes just so over-the-top about it and nobody believes him at this point. I dont think hes going against any social contract of the game but Id never play with someone who acts like that more than once.
@@Alkhemia8 But like... being a control player is enough, people already view control players as villains (, I am one, so I'd know). I wouldn't want to play or watch someone who is lying or abusing the platform to pull ahead. It feels like bad etiquette.
About the arcane signet art. It is a dwarven rune or it could be a human using the Dwarven rune as a sigil, as the humans adopted the dwarves' alphabet it some places. 1:02:39
So im not sure I cant really tell but didnt seth have the mana up and heroic intervention in hand against that supreme verdict? Surely he won after that? Maybe I'm wrong
@@MTGGoldfishCommander Hmm, that's fair. I feel like with the other food synergies in the deck it benefits to have the extra food imo. But your line of thought isn't incorrect either. 🤙
MTGO accidentally coded the mana ability on the relic of Sauron as a regular ability (not a mana ability) which is why you can’t activate it while casting something and why it is placed on the stack when you do activate it (mana abilities don’t use the stack)
First Tomer is the archenemy because of reasons (?) even though he is mana screwed, then afterwards he is the archenemy because he has a couple of weak creatures, then he is archenemy because he could (?) draw removal because there is removal in his deck lol, then afterwards he is archenemy because he got a little upset and now they have to kill him. Fun game for Tomer!
I rarely get annoyed during games but yeah I'd be really salty if they acted as if I was the archenemy in Tomers position. Seth literally said earlier that Tomer's deck had no real way to win lol, Richard and Crim always deflect too much.
3:00:00 Couldn't Richard use the addendum unbreakable formation to buff his own stuff enough to kill seth? Only stolen things can't hit Seth, and he'd counted 15 on 4 creatures, so that would be lethal? Or is the math off? I guess it doesn't matter with the decree, but it might have been worth attempting (though any interaction just means Seth's board is buffed, so maybe better to be safe?)
I wanna watch the version of LOR where the hobbits are gready capitalist who keeps all the foods for themself and put everyone else in a position where they need to kill them. sauron included. Lets leave our infighting in the past those hobbits are out of control XD
It’s a “g” in the Cirth alphabet. I believe the card depicts Gandalf’s seal on the envelope in which Frodo kept the ring in the shire for a couple decades.
This is gonna sound like a humble brag, but I actually find it easier to get through than the LOTR trilogy because it’s written in such broad strokes so the plot really moves along at a fast clip. I’ve read the Silm 3 times, I’ve only read the whole LOTR trilogy once. Also the Silmarillion is just a great book. You get to read about Sauron getting mauled by a dog!
@@Graatand It took me longer to get through, but mostly because it isn't as focused and driven as a traditional story, since it is more a collection of various stories. I love the depth of the worldbuilding though. Not only did he flesh out a world for his stories, but the stories have backstories with backstories.
Would be awesome if you make a pseudo-archenemy round as a sequel someday for flavour reasons. Upgraded Sauron Deck as the arch enemy vs vanilla precons teaming up. Because it really seems like a major flavor fail when elves and humans battle each other, when they should actually team up against the dark lord.
Great video! I also love the precon reviews. I am new to the game and love the content you create! How would I be able to play online like you are here? I have MTG Arena, but what is this platform? Many thanks!
Ya know... I never really thought about it, but isn't plea for power pretty much concentrate... but not always reliable? I mean I guess if you have some voting shenanigans' it could be better but... man it's been out for years and I never even noticed that till now....
1:02:35 lol we dont need to check up wikia. I can speculate easily: Seals and signets were used a lot in the books. This is probably Gandalf's seal as he send multiple messages to Frodo promising to go with him before being captured by the Saruman. It could also be seal on scroll of Isuldur if that Y is meant to represent the Royal tree. Aragon also had sent few letters and tree is his symbol so it might be his raport about catching Gollum.
1:02:25 yikes... "Since I don't know the answer other people don't either" also what does knowing the relevance of the art on arcane signet have anything to do with intelligence? Screams insecure.
I asked the same and someone commented: it is the letter "g" in the cirth language. The Art is assumed to be the letter, sealed by gandalf, in which bilbo kept the ring in the shire for a couple decades.
You guys always talk about how good monarch is. Now with LotRs, you can do a four-way battle for the crown where every player has a commander that can make themselves monarch.
Tomer you cut Field-Tested Frying Pan in one of the versions of upgraded Food and Fellowship! I just wanted to say that the card is really good with Frodo and Sam, you can get in with Skulking Frodo, and after blocks sac enough food with Sam to get commander damage wins quite easily and by surprise.
3:47 YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! That was me! I was the Feldon player from Command Fest Orlando that has seen every Commander Clash and got to Clash On with Crim! And now I hear it make its way into an episode!?!?!?!? That's awesome!!! And despite popular belief, I was not Tomer in disguise (Least, you can't prove it). Overall, had a great time jamming with Crim! CLASH ON!!!!
Richard: I can't get through the Revenge of Ravens.
Also Richard: holds Banishing Light for most of the game
Richard and spot removal… a match made in hell 😂
Yeah Richard is without a doubt the worst player and has the worst view points outta anyone on this channel, I watch all the time and I'm ALWAYS to myself like STFU Richard 😂😂😂
Richard will never spend his removal, until he dies and says how bad single target removal is as it does not save you.
Richard don't wanna spend resources when other people can do it instead! sometimes it doesn't work though..
I think he just didn't want to be the target. If he did cast it crim would've killed him so it was a smart play in the end
I can't believe this episode didn't have my favourite lord of the rings characters Skrelv and Obzedat Ghost People
I loved it when Skrelv bit Gollum’s hand in The Hobbit. One of my favorite scenes ❤
The best thing about "clash on!" is that it adds stakes to the game. Also seeing Crim/Seth dying on the inside every time they have to say it is funny. Sweet sweet suffering.
Yeah, the best thing is seeing them cringe.
Am I the only one who noticed that right after Richard said the "riders of Rohan are lost" and Tomer said that "the bauble will help them find their way" he drew the riders of Rohan
After making the ghost people reference so many times Seth absolutely has to do a King of the Oathbreakers commander deck for the meme!
I think the most poetic thing is that the elf deck that's based around debating and discussion and delaying decisions, leads to them being so inactive that they timed out instead of actually losing.
"I guess the game has gone on pretty long."
-Seth, 2:06:50
I lol'd so hard when Seth was like "The Grandchildren, poke poke poke". So accurate
What an incredible game. As a LOTR fans i will rewatch it again. And watch the extended version afterwards.
I miss the thumbnails made with heart rather than the thumbnails that looks like every single other mtg content creator ever.
Agreed. I get what they’re going for, but I think this current aesthetic redo is a miss for me
it probably does better on youtube and means they don't have to commission an art every week
@jeffe2267 so it takes work away from an artist. That's a plus to you? Or is the good part appealing to the lowest common denominator? There's a lot of other ways to do that.
They still use unique art every episode so far but it's shown like two seconds before the start of the game.
Bring back the thumbnails!!!!
thank you editor for your hard work @ 1:14:30 "Among Us"
On-point flavour this week with the length!
3.5 Hours... Well it's still shorter than the movies at least
Omfg 😂
It makes sense, they didn't have the Ghost People in their decks to end the war for them.
Extended version when?!
You can't get much more flavorful than that!
I just binged the extended movies and it was glorious
Crim running a fourteen mana commander is ambitious for crim
luckily he didnt build the deck :) so he got to hit his land drops XD
Magic how tolkien intended (long and meandering)
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" One Ring to Rule them All. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
By far my favourite episode, laughed the whole way through. Thanks gang :)
It only took me six days but I finally finished the commander clash marathon 😂
It's good to experiment, but yeah, i miss the adriano-illustrated thumbnails over the 'generic youtuber 4 person next to their commanders' thumbnail
Agreed, in fact I dislike the general reduction of Adriano art for the site and channels in general.
RE: Sol Ring, I think it USED to decrease your odds of winning. However, the format has sped up a hell of a lot since the time those stats were calculated, so now jumping those two turns ahead and getting a 4 mana commander T2 or a 5cmc commander T3 is now significantly more powerful. (T2-3 Chulane or Korvold will absolutely wreck house, after all!)
Honestly, I'd love to watch a second episode with these 4 precons! Maybe shuffle, who is playing what? But one match does not quench my thirst for this match up.
First precons I am excited about.
They are much better than earlier precons.
What a marathon of a game, thanks for the video!
23:00 you guys should do a tier list for basic lands
Froest: S, Swamp: S, Plains: A, Island: B, Mountain: C.
@@BobardeZanzibar i was more referring to artworks, but i hope i never have to play against froests.
@@BobardeZanzibarWastes: D
I lauphed so much. It was a great episode :)
Lol did you watch it on 4 times speed? Even 3 wouldn't be fast enough
We LOVE the CLASH ON🥳. The people have spoken 😎
Looking forward to the extended edition 👏😃
I feel like the ending left us with some cliffhangers 🤣🤣🤣
I've gotta say, I really liked the old thumbnails way more! Please bring them back ❤️ that was bloody long hoooly
Best episode and so in flavour of LOTR xD want to see the extended cut next
He does it every time!! I cannot believe how this ended.
My favorite episode so far. Pure insanity xd
Amazing game with an amazing end - can't wait for next week's!
OK! I am actually a field of ruin fan. I really like it in white decks because of all your triggers. You turn on your catchup ramp and get three deep gnome terromancer and archaomancers map triggers. You can also use it to trigger smuggler's share to get a treasure. Also, if you're in black, it's funny with opposition agent.
Yes but this is a precon- none of those are really applicable here
Wow I never thought of that LOL good looking out
It's clutch with famous LOTR personality Ob Nixilis Unshackled.
crim: it's almost lunch!
the 3 and a half hour long video: 😈😈
6:30 I believe that’s the tower Gandalf fights the belrog and smites him on the mountain top. They fight from the lowest parts of the mountain to the highest part.
the simbol at 1:02:49 is actually gandalfs simbol if i remember correctly from the book(I didnt read the Silmarillion so it has to be in LOTR), like Seth said
How do people feel about lying in a game? I feel like it's distinctly different to bluffing. Especially when you are taking advantage of the way an online client works. This Isn't the first time Crim has done something like this, where he will make a big fuss about "making a mistake on MTGO" only for it to be part of plan to blow everyone out. I think when you actively go out of your way to portray a scheme as a mistake it is lying. Bluffing is like holding open mana, or threatening revenge against a player. It really irked me, maybe its just me.
its irksome because hes just so over-the-top about it and nobody believes him at this point. I dont think hes going against any social contract of the game but Id never play with someone who acts like that more than once.
it good to have a heel in a series tbf it increase viewer engagement when they a person like that
@@Alkhemia8 But like... being a control player is enough, people already view control players as villains (, I am one, so I'd know). I wouldn't want to play or watch someone who is lying or abusing the platform to pull ahead. It feels like bad etiquette.
About the arcane signet art. It is a dwarven rune or it could be a human using the Dwarven rune as a sigil, as the humans adopted the dwarves' alphabet it some places. 1:02:39
So im not sure I cant really tell but didnt seth have the mana up and heroic intervention in hand against that supreme verdict? Surely he won after that? Maybe I'm wrong
I'm curious why Tomer kept going for Frodo first over Sam, isn't it better to get Sam out first to gather more food tokens for the deck?
I wanted to trigger Frodo first so I could start drawing cards and not commit as much to the board
@@MTGGoldfishCommander
Hmm, that's fair. I feel like with the other food synergies in the deck it benefits to have the extra food imo. But your line of thought isn't incorrect either. 🤙
Crim: I was there, Richard. I was there 3000 years ago when the strength of Seth failed.
You guys better have a directors cut of this
MTGO accidentally coded the mana ability on the relic of Sauron as a regular ability (not a mana ability) which is why you can’t activate it while casting something and why it is placed on the stack when you do activate it (mana abilities don’t use the stack)
Interesting! I'll report it
First Tomer is the archenemy because of reasons (?) even though he is mana screwed, then afterwards he is the archenemy because he has a couple of weak creatures, then he is archenemy because he could (?) draw removal because there is removal in his deck lol, then afterwards he is archenemy because he got a little upset and now they have to kill him. Fun game for Tomer!
I rarely get annoyed during games but yeah I'd be really salty if they acted as if I was the archenemy in Tomers position. Seth literally said earlier that Tomer's deck had no real way to win lol, Richard and Crim always deflect too much.
Ya that got pretty annoying.
this video is the real directors cut
2:39:19 earned my like... "orc for some reason" 😂
1:19:16 "So you give us three movies worth of time" *looks at video length*
I think that Crim was flexing with the faithless looting away the basics :D
WE LOVE CLASH ON
3:00:00 Couldn't Richard use the addendum unbreakable formation to buff his own stuff enough to kill seth? Only stolen things can't hit Seth, and he'd counted 15 on 4 creatures, so that would be lethal? Or is the math off?
I guess it doesn't matter with the decree, but it might have been worth attempting (though any interaction just means Seth's board is buffed, so maybe better to be safe?)
He can't attack Seth. The spell doesn't care if a creature it stolen or not, it just says 'you can't attack that player'.
I wanna watch the version of LOR where the hobbits are gready capitalist who keeps all the foods for themself and put everyone else in a position where they need to kill them. sauron included. Lets leave our infighting in the past those hobbits are out of control XD
1:02:00 so where are all the comments explaining the sigil / signet emblem?
It’s a “g” in the Cirth alphabet. I believe the card depicts Gandalf’s seal on the envelope in which Frodo kept the ring in the shire for a couple decades.
Sounds confident. Thanks! :D
if tomer pathed precombat. on the army. he would have only taken 6 and lived?
Richard truly did learn from the past
I wonder why they didn’t upgrade the decks. That won the poll by far. 😕
We wanted to but the main set cards weren't available online when we recorded. Usually they would be ready but it took longer this time
@@MTGGoldfishCommander ah that makes sense then. I just wanted to compare my own Sam and Frodo Lotr only list.
Arcane Signet has the rune for G that Gandalf uses for his sign
Would've love to hear some thoughts about the decks at the end but I totally understand lol. Pretty good game!
Well a lot happened in that game, loved the ending, not sure if crims acting or Seth’s pronunciation was worse
I did read the Silmarillion Tomer, just so you know.
This is gonna sound like a humble brag, but I actually find it easier to get through than the LOTR trilogy because it’s written in such broad strokes so the plot really moves along at a fast clip.
I’ve read the Silm 3 times, I’ve only read the whole LOTR trilogy once.
Also the Silmarillion is just a great book. You get to read about Sauron getting mauled by a dog!
@@Graatand It took me longer to get through, but mostly because it isn't as focused and driven as a traditional story, since it is more a collection of various stories. I love the depth of the worldbuilding though. Not only did he flesh out a world for his stories, but the stories have backstories with backstories.
Would be awesome if you make a pseudo-archenemy round as a sequel someday for flavour reasons. Upgraded Sauron Deck as the arch enemy vs vanilla precons teaming up. Because it really seems like a major flavor fail when elves and humans battle each other, when they should actually team up against the dark lord.
...or a pseudo two-headed giant round with Saruman & Sauron vs Gandalf & Aragorn decks or so.
i need a little pendant that says what would gollum do
Great video! I also love the precon reviews. I am new to the game and love the content you create! How would I be able to play online like you are here? I have MTG Arena, but what is this platform? Many thanks!
Tomer giving Bluey quotes. I'm here for it.
What would happen if i cast Pacifism on Sauron.
Why didn't Seth use Heroic Intervention during the Supreme Verdict?
Love Richards clash on🎉🎉🎉
yess! I was waiting for this! so hard.
im sad this set wasnt also the prequals so we could have a dwarf precon with the seen dwarfs and stuff
Ya know... I never really thought about it, but isn't plea for power pretty much concentrate... but not always reliable? I mean I guess if you have some voting shenanigans' it could be better but... man it's been out for years and I never even noticed that till now....
What platform are they playing on?
@Tomer, i'ts got to be food relate, a group of Hobbits should be a Banquet of Hobbits.
how to tell its a lord of the rings episode without telling it
video length:
if this was my job i would try harder than crim, plus i would lie less. No offense but i see most groups kicking crim out
The most flavorful episode
2:01:37 Sauron, Legitimate Business Person
Richard not using the banishing light on the well of lost dreams!!! He could have stopped tomer
I don't know, why Seth didn't cast Heroic Intervention on Blasphemous Act - probably forgot that Model of Unity can be tap for mana :P
I like the new into too
if you make Spike Feeder a hobbit or treefolk Treebeard not only goes infinite on life with it but also infinite on +1/+1 counters!
Tomer was the real winner in this game. Having to get up early and edit a ridiculously long game and watch it all over again.
I haven't paid MOTO since the acquisition. Is it noticeably better?
Crim when he goes first and combos off Turn 1: I am not the threat. Get outta here
1:02:35 lol we dont need to check up wikia. I can speculate easily: Seals and signets were used a lot in the books. This is probably Gandalf's seal as he send multiple messages to Frodo promising to go with him before being captured by the Saruman. It could also be seal on scroll of Isuldur if that Y is meant to represent the Royal tree. Aragon also had sent few letters and tree is his symbol so it might be his raport about catching Gollum.
mega legendary for the old legendary rule?
Rule #1, never trust Crim.
I like the new intro style
1:02:25 yikes... "Since I don't know the answer other people don't either" also what does knowing the relevance of the art on arcane signet have anything to do with intelligence? Screams insecure.
What app is this? I would love to know
Magic Online, an official client with the majority of cards from Magic's history. It's a bit old now, but still updated.
Leave it to Crim to have like 5 lands in play, then loot them all away and miss several land drops.
Bilbo got knocked out right at the start of the Battle of the Five Armies, so really the hobbits dying first is a flavor win, right?
I read all the comments and nobody has ID'd the signet ring yet. pretty sure it's just a tengwar letter
I asked the same and someone commented: it is the letter "g" in the cirth language.
The Art is assumed to be the letter, sealed by gandalf, in which bilbo kept the ring in the shire for a couple decades.
This is one of my top 5 epeisodes😂
This better not be one game, 3 and a half hours jeez guys
53:19 is the end of the first movie
49:45 Crim's smeagol voice is on point!!!
You guys always talk about how good monarch is. Now with LotRs, you can do a four-way battle for the crown where every player has a commander that can make themselves monarch.
Why didnt they just ride the whales into mordor?
Tomer you cut Field-Tested Frying Pan in one of the versions of upgraded Food and Fellowship! I just wanted to say that the card is really good with Frodo and Sam, you can get in with Skulking Frodo, and after blocks sac enough food with Sam to get commander damage wins quite easily and by surprise.
That's fair, I shouldn't cut it.
Dark lord crim needs a classic vampire cape 😂