Let's talk about the Latin Mass
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2022
- The Latin mass is better than the new Mass. This is clear to anyone who has actually gone to a Latin Mass. if you don't believe that, find a Latin mass, go to it and you will see how much better it is.
The Latin Mass developed over centuries until finally, because of the Council of Trent, it was formulated and made Universal throughout the entire church.
in Latin. which, quite frankly, is a better language than any common language of the day. Latin is one of the three holy languages. Hebrew (or Aramaic) Greek and Latin are the three holy languages
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I became catholic last year and have only attended latin mass, I dont plan on changing
My wife and I have decided to do exactly this. There is an FSSP Parish about an hour from us. We will be making the drive every Sunday.
Now go to a pre 62 missal mass
I've been to Catholic masses all my life except during the pandemic and I totally agree with your critique. Catholic masses (and even the church buildings themselves) look a lot more like Protestant churches than Catholic ones. There is no solemnity, sermons, readings, and worship music are shallow. Even my atheist sister thinks Catholic masses are devoid of any legitimate religious value. Then, about six months ago, I started listening to Latin prayers by Patrick Lenk, and it gave me something that years of mass couldn't. I will say however that not everyone will appreciate it (or are ready to appreciate it).
I'm currently Lutheran but am convinced RC is true. It is sad that RCs think that the New Mass will bring in Protestants. It won't. If they had left the Latin Mass in place, perhaps it would have different results. What attracts me to RC is the fact that it is the Church that Jesus found, and the solemnity and reverence of the Latin Mass. I have only visited one NO Mass so far but plan to visit an FSSP Mass soon. They are in full Communion with Rome and Pope Francis recently met with the FSSP and have given them the OK to continue it, thank God.
Come home. The Latin Mass converted me from 15 yrs of Reformed & Interdenominational heresy, error & confusion.
Let me tell you about the Novus Ordo. My old church once had two girls in gymnast clothes dancing down the isle waving white batons with red and blue plastic strings. Almost everyone I grew up with left the church becoming atheist's, one got into witchcraft.
Woah that's bad. What city was that?
@@rachelpops9239 Kansas City Mo.
No no no. How this can ever be seen as good baffles me.
Wow😮, seriously. What a performance for the congregation. Beat the protestants I'm sure😊
@@StRaphael-we9qn The worst part was this so called Priest who occasionally visited. He put on bizarre shows (inside the church) revolving around stories from the Old Testament. The guy was always accompanied by a green dragon hand puppet, the kids went crazy over it.
Dear Brother,
Thank you for for your hard work in putting out great content. With all due respect,
I think the word “better” is not even proper. We are not comparing as if comparing a merchandise, one is better than the other. One is a true Catholic Mass, the other is a not. There can only be one True Roman Rite.
Oh my Jesus. Forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy.
Save us from the fires of hell
@@JamesHarrison687Thank you.
@@user-ji2on8eg3l God bless
What about the 3 Anathemas placed on altering the Mass in Quo Primum?
I have to call you out on something that you said. The Novas Ordo is NOT like the Protestant Church service. This is because of the Holy Eucharist. I just watched a video where Protestants were criticizing the Novas Ordo Mass because of the Eucharist.
For me, I left Protestantism because I thought that the Novas Ordo was so gorgeous and holy that I have never looked back. So there is that.
As for the Latin Mass, well, as of right now it isn't available for me. But I will go wherever the Holy Eucharist is being served.
I can from a Baptist background. Novus Ordo is very similar to a protestant service in terms of reverence, sanctity, and respect. When you get the chance to go to a Latin Mass, you’ll never turn back. I promise you that. Do you know how to find Latin Masses in your area?
The NO is a carbon copy of the Episcopalian services. “For the kingdom the power and the glory…” that’s Cranmer’s Anglican prayer
Thank you to Almighty God and Our Blessed Mother intercession I found Traditional Latin Mass back in 2008 .
My last Novus Ordo was January 2021 it was Funeral.
I will never go back Novus Ordo
Thank you
Thank u 4 this excellent vedio God bless u. I attend Latin Mass when I can But attend N.O. said reverently by good SOLT priests ; however I long 4 latin Mass like a gentleman said a long time ago. Comparing the new Mass to the old is like comparing a work of Shakespeare to a comic book. Heart breaking 😥
I grew up in Latin Mass that was a while ago lol
We have a new baby priest whose going to be ordained next year. He is a very holy man who is reverend and blessed me in latin.
Good video. Don't know if you care, but the main picture for this video is a Nivus Ordo Mass.
Totally agree that latin is better.
Although we need to keep in mind that novas ordo is a valid mass instituted by the church and if there is no Latin mass is still prudent for them to attend mass to receive the sacraments.
But as always people need to remember God can bring something better out of evil or the church always return to a former glory and even more glorious than ever before.
Overall good video. I especially like the defense of Quo Primum, some of those facts I was not aware of. Excellent!
However, I have hard time accepting rev Ripberger as an authority regarding validity of Novus Ordo ‘mass’. Specifically, if he feels there may be occasional supernatural phenomena associated with the Novus Ordo, it does not mean much, because devil can use them in order to mislead the souls.
As a rule of thumb, if we have choice between logic and supernatural, we are obligated to follow logic and common sense!
I wish this brother light and courage to pursue the truth wherever it may lead!
Pic in the thumbnail isn’t even a TLM lol
How do we change our "new mass" church, back to the latin mass?
*laughs in Western Rite Orthodoxy which has somehow kept the TLM better than Rome*
It depends where you are
Good video man. Most points made in this video are correct. It seems Quo Primium is still most likely binding. On the question of the New mass, it is valid but most likely illicit due to the changes made to Ecclesiology among other issues. The four ends of the Mass are Adoration, Atonement, Thanksgiving, and Petition. These four ends, especially Atonement, are obscured by the Novus Ordo as it presents the Holy Mass not as a Sacrifice and but as a 'Fraternal Supper'. Reject Modernism and Freemasonry. Hold firm to Holy Traditiona and strive for Heaven. God bless.
Without the Traditional Latin Mass, I would've bolted to the Church of Martin Luther due to the banality of the Novus Ordo Mass. Thank God for the Traditional Latin Mass' existence for it helped me stay in the Catholic Church for the TLM was far more profound n its contents and reverence.
How do we change our novus ordo, when you don't have a Latin mass church near you?
You really dont since its up to the priest
I left Protestantism for the Catholic faith, not for more Protestantism.
Me too. Went from vudu to protestantism, to Catholic, and here I shall stay till the Lord calls me
Where is the protestants? The protestants are the other half of the Catholic Church without the Eucharist and the belief in purgatory and the communion of saints.
@@ElLuiso2010 The Norvus Ordo Mass is NOT a PROTESTant Mass. Almost no Parish in the Philippines 🇵🇭 has a Traditional Latin Mass.
I can relate. We left modern Evangelical Christianity for traditional confessional Lutheranism. Has the same view on Baptism and The Eucharist as the Catholic Church. Have been thinking of attending TLM here nearby because it does intrigue me.
@@chrispeele3746 Come to the Catholic Church.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Luther taught *con* substantiation, not *tran* substantiation, that the body and blood of Christ are substantially present *with* the bread and the wine. That is not the Catholic belief. In any case, without a valid priesthood tracing itself back to the Apostles, the bread and the wine remain just bread and wine.
As for baptism, don't Lutherans emphasize it as something that strengthens faith rather than as the means of forgiveness of sins?
Great video. I agree with your assessment on Quo primum; the Novus Ordo is valid. However, I do not think it is thereby good or "licit", to put it more technically. Yes, transubstantiation ocurrs, because there is validity, but the effects of attending a N.O. Mass on the faithful are disastrous over time. Of course, if you have to go once or twice due to family obligations, it probably won't make any difference. It may even be a good thing to see once in a while how cringy it is, just to thank God for the True Mass of the Ages.
However, if you go to the N.O. every Sunday for several years, your faith will gradually be sucked from you, like a wound that will not heal. You will absorb a worldly, Protestant mentality and your fervour will die a slow death, until one day you will think to yourself: "what's the point of still attending Mass? It won't be a big deal if I miss it today." After that you will be easy prey either for a Protestant sect or religious indifferentism and atheism. One step leads to another. This is why I agree with the SSPX that we should NOT assist the N.O. Mass. It is a grave danger to our faith.
I do not deny the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass. I have noticed that as a rule, confession is available before mass at Latin Mass parishes. This is not the case at Novus Ordo parishes. In addition, to receive communion on one's knees at a Novus Ordo mass is unusual and difficult. To be in accord with the rule of our faith, one must receive the eucharist while in a state of grace, as per paragraph 1415 of the Catechism promulgated by John Paul II. As such, Novus Ordo parishes make receiving the eucharist reverently and in a state of grace a substantial difficulty.
One can, of course, attend mass and not receive communion, and spend one's time praying the rosary or reading scripture. Unfortunately, during the Novus Ordo Mass, there is the expectation of responding, of singing, of shaking peoples hands. In short, private devotions are made difficult. You are not left a moment of peace. It is unpleasant. What can I say about holding hands during the Our Father...
Why trent didn't adopted the liturgy of St John chrisostome, St basil the Great, the liturgy of St mark or the liturgy of St James or the sarens rite. Trent is the beginning of the égarements in the Latin Church.
The thumbnail is a novus ordo Mass
Try finding copyright free pics of the latin mass. Its the best I could do
@@imisschristendom5293 Touché
Wow, unless I'm mistaken didn't Pope Francis just forbid the Latin mass all together? Maybe I read it wrong.
No, Francis’s Traditionis Custodes just made it at the bishop’s discretion and no longer a parish priest’s decision. Though effectively in some areas this boils down to a near complete ban save for maybe a faraway SSPX parish.
The 1962 is the novus ordo mass
I am a Catholic born in 2002. I have always followed the novus ordo and never saw anything wrong with it. My faith is as strong as any person who attends the TLM. I had many good priests who preached the values of Jesus. None of the people that went to my Church espoused anything that was contrary to the core beliefs of the Catholic Church. Translation: We fall in line with every single Conservative, Catholic, Christian value that many who go to the "Traditional Latin Mass," claim that we have abandoned. I know many converts, one of which I have sponsored through RCIA, who had their start in the Novus Ordo mass. It genuinely isn’t more or less “powerful” than the TLM, and the mystery isn’t of the mass, but the transubstantiation, and receiving of the Eucharist which is the center of Catholicism as we know it. Not the mass, the EUCHARIST. The other sacraments are also important, and as long as those are kept, and the laypeople have access to them, the Church will be fine in performing its duties in bringing more people to Christ. From what I understand, people believe that after Vatican II the church became less holy… whatever that means. I don’t think the pope was attacking the Traditional Latin Mass itself, but the people out there who believe that it is the ONLY way to truly “remedy” all the problems of the Church. First off, there are many problems within the church that are not related to the mass: rape, abortion, false teaching, pedophilia, homosexuality, and other abuses… but guess what people? All of this bad stuff happened even before Vatican II. It’s only now with the advent of technology and the media that it’s being HIGHLIGHTED. And from the public’s perspective, all these bad things only happened after Vatican II so it must have been caused by Vatican II, right? Vatican II Like all other ecumenical councils was designed to reinforce teaching that was already there, not to add anything NEW to the doctrine or canon. For the millionth time, we had to reiterate the trinity, the creed, the meaning of everything because that is the Church’s job, and for some reason people can’t discipline themselves to just remember BASIC THEOLOGY. The fact that they needed an ecumenical council meant that somewhere someone was teaching something false. That isn’t a mass problem… that is a teaching problem. So the actual solution… is to get better teachers. What a concept: getting people who are better trained in church teaching into the priesthood. The mass doesn’t deceive people… people deceive people. To blame a format of the service for the problems of the Church is misguided at best, and malicious at worst. It is misguided because the solution is to actually get better taught priests into the priesthood. It is malicious because the priests, deacons, nuns, bishops, and Popes who have committed these heinous acts don’t need theological correction, they need corporate correction. They need to go to prison for their crimes. I think that the pope doesn’t want the traditional Latin mass to become a “band aid” fix for the problems of the church. He doesn’t want us to abuse the traditional Latin mass as a way for ignoring other issues. Because if people genuinely believe that going to a different kind of service is all it takes to fix the problems within the church instead of addressing the problems directly, that is what they’re doing with the mass. They are abusing the mass to make themselves feel better. Using the mass like… a drug quite frankly. The pope has a responsibility to fix any problems within the church because we are the beacon for the world. He can’t do it on his own, and when we practice religious escapism by going to retreats or attending a different kind of mass, we are complicit in complacency and not addressing the issues we have. In a time where the world is pressuring us to change, we don’t need distractions. We don’t need a new service or a new this that or the other. We need to focus on the problems and fix them. He is directing us to get out of our shells, out of the safe haven of the Church to see and fix the problems of the world, and of course to fix the problems of the Church. If we are banded together, we can overcome any problems within the church and otherwise, but if we cower in our confession booths, if we hide in our pews, nothing will get fixed and that’s a fact. Of course people won’t understand this, because it’s so many words, so the apparent solution is to take away the distraction. Think of it this way: you have a fat kid who eats a lot, sits on the couch all day playing video games. Of course, all he has to do is get up, exercise, and eat less. But the fact of the matter is: he’s not gonna do that. He’s gonna keep on sitting there eating his lays and playing Halo. You can explain to him all day long that he needs to stop doing this and why he must stop, and he won’t. Why? Because he’s distracted. Distracted from the problem by the pleasures of the games and the chips. So, as a parent, the best thing is to really take away the chips and the video games. Sure, the child will cry and throw a hissy fit at first, but he will eventually calm down. After the distraction is taken away, the child will have time to reflect, and correct the behavior, so they can stop being fat and unhealthy. That is similar to how a lot of people treat the mass (TLM and novus ordo) retreats, etc… they go to just feel good instead of looking outwards and fixing the real problems. Pope Francis is an older gentleman. I don’t know if he had kids but he must at least know a thing or two about human nature, because he realizes that like anything humans can get their hands on, the mass can and will be abused. The same thing applies to the Traditional Latin Mass that the youth today so proudly love. He just doesn’t want us abusing the mass to escape our real duty as Catholics. I’ll give you a hint: nobody gets converted by a Catholic who never goes anywhere except Mass. abortion doesn’t get fixed by people who just attend service and do their sacraments. Battles are never won in basic training. You have to go out there and fight. You have to realize the human element in the church and fight that too. Whatever you do, if you’re a Catholic who goes to traditional Latin mass or the novus ordo, don’t be complacent, and don’t use the traditions to escape your duties that you received at confirmation.
The NO mass mimics Protestant services, it’s a carbon copy of an Episcopalian service.
@@TheGringoSalado lol that’s complete bs. I’ve been to Baptist “services” and all they do is sing. No introductory rites, first, second, and third readings with a homily, a TRANSUBSTANTIATION, and the ending rites. Bunch of baloney you’re speaking 😂. If anything the Episcopalians copied us. Everyone copies the Catholic Church.
@@jaxfernandez3684 I wish it was bologna. But the reality is the mass was changed to mimic Protestant services.
@@TheGringoSalado calling it fact… doesn’t make it fact. No protestant service has the transubstantiation. Nice try though. But we are nothing like the Protestants.
@@jaxfernandez3684 We should pray that Catholics reclaim the faith of their ancestors. God deserves more than a valid mass. Pax
The mass is centered on the Eucharist. This is valid in NO or TLM. The only thing I’d like to see is a little bit more reverence brought to the NO. I’d like to see more Gregorian chants, incense, and reverence. But I do believe most people prefer to hear the mass in their own tongue.
That's obvious
I decided to become Catholic at the end of last year. I then went to NO mass at the parish down the road and whilst I enjoyed it for a time, I couldn’t understand why it didn’t feel like media popularised old school Catholicism. Then when I went to the Latin mass this year I found the NO to be unbearable and cringe. Never going back to the NO unless absolutely necessary. Whilst valid, sure, it really is a sad and tired programme which reeks of the feeling you get in Protestant churches trying to be “relevant”
Satan himself entered into the church, words of Paul vl.
The Catholic Church has been growing over the past 20 years again.
The decline that happened in the 70s may have had more to do with the times not the N.O.
Even today, in America, over half the youth leave the church when they become adults. The growth is in Africa. Nothing wrong with that. But Europe, America and south America are a different story
@@imisschristendom5293 I just came back 13 months ago and know many more.
Well thats good
The problem is the people are are the authority of the church instead of the priest. If you want change and things to start rolling back in time, pressure your priest to stand up and be a priest and say no more to the people. Encourage one thing at a time like no more girls are the alter or start a fun raiser for alter rails and stack them in front of the doors. That gets someone's attention.
Girls at the altar were not the problem, it was boys in the sacristy.
Didn't you say in another video that your own opinion on these things must always defer to the "authoritative" teachings and decrees of the Church? Well it seems to me that Pope Francis, reversing his predecessor, has just pretty much mandated the Novus Ordo. I walked out of the new mass before you were born. It is totally lacking imo. Not just the parish clown acts; even the most "formal" celebration in St. Peter's doesn't cut it. It's hard to verbalize. Perhaps instead of focusing on the power of precise utterings in the Canon of the Mass to *transform* bread and wine we should focus on whether the work-mechanics (litur-geia) of the New Mass have the power to put us into a state of true receiving. If it's a question of the ineffective form of the New Mass versus the ineffective form of a traditional Anglican Eucharist, I would choose the later; the singing, the music, the language, the formalities are just better.
The Real Presence Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ ✝️, in the Holy Eucharist. Is still PRESENT in both the Norvus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass, I do NOT understand Latin and I'm not even American.
I grew up with the latin. Nobody really understood what was happening except that they were going to receive the Eucharist. The Latin Mass didn't become the official language till 1570. Most people just sat and prayed the rosary. I don't like to go to Mass to be entertained by a chrior singing in Latin. The Scriptures says "sing a new song onto the Lord. "The Mass is the main prayer of the Church" then let the laity pray and understand what they are praying.
When we stand before God when we die, is God Going to ask us if we prayed in Latin or English? Jesus despised legalism. The Mass, Latin or another language today doesn't even ressemble the original Mass which was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ
Latin started being used in 3rd century and became universal in the west around the 6th century
That does not make you a canon lawyer nor a theologian. I came into the church with the new mass, and people simply go through the motions. Making orans postures does not make them more devoted.
@@rudymatheson1415 no but orans does make the act more biblical. The orans posture was practiced by Jews before it was adopted by the early Christians. The lifting up of holy hands is referenced in the Bible in Psalm 134:2-3, Psalm 28:2, Psalm 63:4-5, Psalm 141:2, Psalm 143:6, 1 Timothy 2:8, and Hebrews 12:12-13.
“The Latin mass has remained virtually unchanged since the 3rd century” ~John Henry Newman
Rome need to repent and come back to patristiques and true orthodox doctrines.
orthodoxy's 4 eastern patriarchates are now mu slim cities. Istanbul, Cairo, Jerusalem, and Antioch. All fell within 4 centuries after 1054. Di vine just ice.
Current Istanbul population: 15.46 million people. There are only 600 families that are greek orthodox out of that population of 15.46 million. A representation of 0.01%. Di vine just ice.
There are 220 million eastern sch is matics worldwide and they're divided into 17 separate churches that h ate each other. The Russian church represents 50% of that total population of different orthodox churches worldwide. The russian church's leader ki rill is putin's b itch. 1.3 billion Catholics and growing. Di vine just ice.
C ry h arder. Your s la vic t ears t ast e delicious.
Lol the orthodox are in worse shape. You guys allow governments of other countries to control you
Latin is not one of the three Holy Languages that is 100% heretical. All languages are holy or set apart as they were created by God. To insist Latin has special powers is Fetishism. A fetish (derived from the French fétiche, which comes from the Portuguese feitiço, and this in turn from Latin facticius, 'artificial' and facere, 'to make') is an object believed to have supernatural powers, or in particular, a human-made object that has power over others. Essentially, fetishism is the attribution of inherent value, or powers, to an object.
Latin, Greek and Hebrew are the holy languages because it was in those languages that was written “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews “ on the cross.
@@cronbtc5680 Technically speaking Jesus spoke Aramaic. From Fr. John Hardon Catholic Dictionary:
ARAMAIC. Named from Aram, a country in Southwestern Asia. A Semitic language spoken by the Jews during and after the Babylonian exile (606-536 B.C.). It was spoken by Christ and the Apostles, since in New Testament times Hebrew was cultivated only by the learned. To meet the needs of the Jewish faithful, the Hebrew Bible was made available in Aramaic paraphrases called Targums.
I have never heard anyone say anything so incorrect in my entire life.
@@billionbux3261 ... Your welcome to disagree with me but you should really support your statement with facts rather then arguing to the stone.
You have no authority to determine what is holy and what is not. You are full of yourself and therefore full of fecal matter.